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03:47<Gonozal_VIII> <-- i made another one
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06:34<Gonozal_VIII>good evening
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06:46[~]Gonozal_VIII loads his emp rifle
06:48<Gonozal_VIII>hacking first terminal!^^
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07:33<Sacro>hey Bjarni
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08:03<@Bjarni>hi Sacro
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08:26<CIA-1>OpenTTD: bjarni * r11540 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: [OSX] Don't try to compile the quartz video driver on OSX 10.3. It will fail
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08:58<skidd13>Hi folks
09:03<@Bjarni>hi skidd13
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09:42<CIA-1>OpenTTD: bjarni * r11541 /trunk/src/unix.cpp:
09:42<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Fix: [OSX] detect statvfs at runtime (based on OSX version) instead of compile time
09:42<CIA-1>OpenTTD: This should prevent a crash on OSX 10.3 with the precompiled binaries (in the load/save windows)
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09:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: bjarni * r11542 /trunk/src/os/macosx/ -Fix r11540: [OSX] presumed 10.3 style strings when using GetCurrentLocale nomatter what OSX the target was
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10:07<ln->what's the german VAT now?
10:08<@Bjarni>I think
10:08<@Bjarni>they increased it from 15% not long ago
10:08<ln->i think they increased it from 16%
10:08<@Bjarni>go figure
10:09<skidd13>ln-: IIRC its 19%
10:09<@Bjarni>Germany lacks a strong economy :P
10:09<skidd13>But we've the lowest book prices only 5% tax here
10:11<ln->we have 22% and i think Bjarni has 25%
10:16<@Bjarni>we have 25% VAT on everything :(
10:17<@Bjarni>and here is the crazy yet true fact about it: our economy is too strong to lower the VAT
10:17<@Bjarni>if we lower it then people will buy more and then more workers are needed and our economy is already so strong that the companies hired everybody
10:18<@Bjarni>so lowering the VAT will result in lack of workforce
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10:28<@Bjarni>"Users are like bacteria - each one causes a thousand tiny crises until the host finally gives up and dies."
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10:39<@Belugas>ho hoo...
10:39<@Belugas>ttdpatch's wiki is or broken or dead...
10:40<@Bjarni>are you saying that if it died, then it didn't break?
10:42<@Belugas>The following error was encountered:
10:42<@Belugas> * Connection to Failed
10:42<@Belugas>The system returned:
10:42<@Belugas> (111) Connection refused
10:42<@Belugas>The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again.
10:43[~]Belugas does not know real status of ttdpatch's wiki
10:43<@Belugas>just that it is not working
10:43<@Belugas>wiki2 works
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10:57<@Belugas>now it works ...
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11:08<Eddi|zuHause3>now this is an interesting statistics:,5538,26898,00.html
11:12[~]Hendikins pads in and flops
11:12<Hendikins>Just for fun, weekend trackwork = twice as many trains. Go figure.
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11:16<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause3: what is the difference between unknown and other?
11:16<@Bjarni>wouldn't everything in unknown be other?
11:17<Eddi|zuHause3>no, other is known, but irrelevant
11:17<@Bjarni>or is unknown also known as IRC?
11:17<Eddi|zuHause3>IRC would go into the IM part, i assume
11:17<@Bjarni>most likely
11:18<Eddi|zuHause3>unknown might be stuff like SSL traffic that cannot be analysed
11:18<@Bjarni>I use that a lot
11:18<@Bjarni>remote login to uni servers
11:19<@Bjarni>sftp file transfers
11:19<@Bjarni>stuff like that
11:19<@Bjarni>that could easily be way more than 6% of my traffic
11:19<Eddi|zuHause3>for example...
11:20<@Bjarni>at one time I used ssh -X to open firefox because it didn't work correctly with the locally installed one
11:20<@Bjarni>but that was internally on uni
11:21<@Bjarni>but it could tell how easy it is to transfer decent amount of data though ssh
11:21<Eddi|zuHause3>what i am missing in that picture is online game traffic (WOW and stuff)
11:21<@Bjarni>considering the time spent on WOW, the amount of bandwidth could be interesting to know as well
11:23<@Bjarni>,5538,PB64-SUQ9MjY4OTgmbnI9NQ_3_3,00.html <-- wtf is "abook"?
11:23<Eddi|zuHause3>audio book?
11:23<Eddi|zuHause3>,5538,PB64-SUQ9MjY4OTgmbnI9NA_3_3,00.html <- i find this one really odd...
11:25<@Bjarni>looks like Germans use bittorrent and edonkey a lot
11:25<@Bjarni>you mean that your own survey showed something else?
---Logclosed Fri Nov 30 11:27:32 2007
---Logopened Fri Nov 30 11:27:34 2007
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11:27|-|Ekipa kanalu #openttd: Wszystkich: 78 |-| +op [4] |-| +voice [2] |-| normalnych [72]
11:27<@Bjarni>so it's 29% localised stuff and the other clients are for stuff in English
11:28<@Bjarni>but... I'm not even sure what DirectConnect really is...
11:28<Hendikins>Bleh, I won't have time to play openttd at work today.
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11:28<Eddi|zuHause3>a filesharing network i assume :p
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11:29|-|Kanal #openttd zsynchronizowany w 119 sekundy
11:30<@Bjarni>Hendikins: shit happens :P
11:31<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause3: well... according to wikipedia it's a P2P network without contact to other networks
11:31<Hendikins>Bjarni: Yeah, normally weekends are lazy, but we've got 8 trains/hour in each direction instead of 4.
11:31<Hendikins>So instead of having these nice 15 minute gaps between trains (since I only care about one direction)... well, I don't.
11:31<@Bjarni>sounds like rush hour here
11:32<Hendikins>We've got trackwork that is making things a bit special.
11:32<@Bjarni>the railroad here just celebrated finishing the trackworks here
11:32<@Bjarni>well... they claimed that anyway
11:32<@Bjarni>I didn't notice a difference
11:33<@Bjarni>they still do stuff to the tracks at night
11:33<Hendikins>Our normal all stations to the City via Bankstown services are running (2tph), our City via Granville services are being diverted via Bankstown and running express (2tph), and we're getting trains to/from the west diverted to the south (4 tph)
11:33<@Bjarni>but it might have been end of the special schedule or something
11:34<Hendikins>...and I am getting recognised by train crew - in a good way, which is nice :)
11:37<@Bjarni>reminds me of when I recognised a guy with a camera. He showed up and wanted to look inside the locomotive and then I started talking about seeing him like 2 weeks earlier where he was in the forest with his camera taking pictures of train(s?)
11:37<@Bjarni>and he was like "wtf? How could you notice?"
11:38<Hendikins>I mainly get "You're the guy who does the announcements at Cabramatta, aren't you?"
11:43<@Belugas>freaking annoying closing industries...
11:44<@Bjarni>I never do announcements
11:45<@Bjarni>I think it's the benefit from not having a mic in the cab :D
11:45<@Bjarni>however it could be fun to talk to everybody in the train
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11:45<@Bjarni>I once tried being on a bus where the driver started telling stories on the speaker system
11:45<@Bjarni>and it was a regular bus
11:46<@Bjarni>nothing special about it
11:46<@Bjarni>except for the driver that is... normally they appear like they have to pay for every single word they say or something
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11:48<Eddi|zuHause3><Bjarni> reminds me of when I recognised a guy with a camera. He showed up and wanted to look inside the locomotive and then I started talking about seeing him like 2 weeks earlier where he was in the forest with his camera taking pictures of train(s?) <- but it's not like "you were the guy i almost ran over despite using the horn multiple times"??
11:48<@Bjarni>though I would recognise that weirdo as well
11:50<Eddi|zuHause3>that would have been fun ;)
11:51<@Bjarni>I'm not so sure
11:51<Hendikins>Bjarni: I'm not a spark driver yet, although I've considered it as a future option.
11:51<@Bjarni>heh spark
11:51<Hendikins>I'm now a firm believer in the three ways though
11:52<Hendikins>(Right way, wrong way, railway)
11:52[~]Bjarni drives diesel
11:52<@Bjarni>that was fun
11:52<SpComb>Bjarni's a C-writing train driver?
11:52<@Bjarni>let's do that again
11:52<SpComb>(' is next to enter)
11:52<Hendikins>Almost all CityRail services (including all suburban services) are sparks.
11:52<Hendikins>So it is highly unlikely that I'd be driving diesels.
11:53<@Bjarni><SpComb> Bjarni's a C-writing train driver? <-- I'm a guy, who can do everything
11:53<SpComb>you drive diesel trains during the day, restore steam locomotives during the weekend and code in the evenings?
11:53<@Bjarni>not really
11:54<Eddi|zuHause3>and at night he gets in his tights and saves the world from evil Sacros
11:54<@Bjarni>I study for my master during the day and whenever I have the time I do stuff to vintage diesel trains
11:54<@Bjarni>and sometimes steam
11:54<@Bjarni>I'm not a professional train driver though I presume that I could become one in really short time
11:55<@Bjarni>since I already knows the tracks, the rules, the theory and so on
11:56<@Bjarni>it happened more than once that somebody learned to drive vintage and then went professionally for a living
11:56<@Bjarni>but if I do that then it means discarding my university degree
11:57<@Bjarni>surprisingly I'm not planning to do so
11:58<SpComb>or you could get your masters degree, and /then/ go drive trains
11:58<@Bjarni>but when I get my master degree I have to use it
11:59<@Belugas>you're studying in what exactly, Bjarni?
11:59<@Bjarni>imagine a person applying for a job that demands his master degree and he goes "I got it 10 years ago but I never used it"
11:59<@Bjarni>Belugas: electronics
12:00<@Bjarni>hence the robots being the "practical test of the theory"
12:00<@Bjarni>it's easier to see if a robot drives into a wall than to check that some meter shows the correct value
12:01<@Belugas>next question : how does it fit with the train stuff? or even, what do you plan to do as a job?
12:01<@Bjarni>I plan to get a job outside the railroad industry
12:01<@Bjarni>leaving railroads as a hobby, not a way of living
12:02<@Belugas>granted :)
12:02<@Bjarni>also I'm not so sure that driving would be this fun if I did it every day
12:04<@Bjarni>remember when you got your driver's license. Back in those days it was fun to go to drive to pick up something. Today you would rather be doing something else because you drive all the time
12:04<@Belugas>hint... programming is not fun when you do it year long...
12:05<@Belugas>and i'm not talking about ottd ;)
12:06<@Bjarni>the fun in coding really depends on what you are coding
12:06<@Belugas>... maybe this explains some departure from the dev team...
12:06<@Belugas>yeah, you're right
12:06<@Bjarni>if you are going "the deadline for this is in 2 days and I have no idea why it doesn't work" is not the fun kind of coding
12:06<@Belugas>i have the chance to not code in the same language at work as for ottd
12:07<@Belugas>indeed, Bjarni, i get that a lot
12:07<@Bjarni>sounds scary
12:07<@Bjarni>specially considering your software blocked your credit card :P
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12:08<@Bjarni>wrong thing to say
12:08<@Bjarni>don't talk about blocked credit cards :P
12:08<@Bjarni>it sounds so familiar to Sacro that he has to show up
12:08<@Belugas>nothing to do :) that was an attempt of getting over my limit way too often :)
12:08<@Belugas>almost on purpose
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12:11[~]SpComb has written C, Python and Javascript code all at the same time for his OpenTTD stuff
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12:12[~]Bjarni writes C stuff for robots more or less at the same time as OpenTTD stuff
12:13<@Bjarni>no, my robot pathfinder can't be ported to OpenTTD
12:13<@Bjarni>you wouldn't want that
12:13<hylje>yeah, it's a huge bjarnism
12:14<@Bjarni>actually if there is an obstacle then it tries to ram it to move it out of the way
12:14<@Bjarni>imagine trains doing that in the game
12:14<@Bjarni>or in real life
12:14<@Bjarni>"the track is blocked... let's try to see if we can ram anything on it to make way though it"
12:15<hylje>sounds really clever
12:16<@Bjarni>unless the train is a small DMU and the obstacle is a big boy pulling a freight train
12:16<@Bjarni>but if the obstacle is a road on the crossing then it's good to go
12:17<hylje>how often do trains ram the road off a crossing
12:17<SpComb>hmm, roadramming
12:17<SpComb>a popular pasttime in the early sixties
12:17<@Bjarni>when it's the fault of the railroad: extremely rare
12:18<@Bjarni>it's a rare event
12:19<@Bjarni>and according to the statistics I think it was 98% of the collisions that's due to human error from the road vehicle driver
12:19<@Bjarni>leaving only 2% for technical problems with the car, the crossing or the train driver
12:20<hylje>yet newspapers keep blaming the train
12:20<hylje>suppose its too hard to blame the deceased no matter how stupid or avoidable the accident
12:21<@Bjarni>yeah... it's way better to blame the train driver because he didn't die
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12:21<@Bjarni>he saw the whole thing but was unable to stop due to the laws of physics
12:22<@Bjarni>actually we should blame Newton for the laws of physics... it would be way easier without them
12:24<@Bjarni>well... even when it's the railroad that is to blame then the road vehicle driver isn't driving properly
12:24<@Bjarni>imagine a crossing that turns on and after a while it turns off again. A nearby train uses the horn continuously: would you still try to cross?
12:25<@Bjarni>no train passed the road yet
12:26<@Bjarni>this is rare but it happens
12:27<Eddi|zuHause3>i read somewhere that if the crossing is broken, the train must stop and look if the road is free
12:28<@Bjarni>that's true for our part of the world
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12:29<@Bjarni>in USA the crossing activates 20 sec before the train arrives and you can't stop a train at that distance if it fails
12:30<Eddi|zuHause3>breaking news: a bag of rice has fallen over in china
12:30<@Bjarni>so now they are staving?
12:32<@Belugas>you are now warned
12:33[~]Sacro is warned
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13:57<ln->Sacro: train station or railway station?
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14:01<eemeli>who do i report a crash/bug to?
14:02<eemeli>i need to create an account to report a bug?
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14:05<@Belugas>yes, if we want to discuss with you further after...
14:05<@Belugas>or inform you that the bug is fixed,
14:06<@Belugas>or even not a bug...
14:06<@Belugas>and why
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14:09<eemeli>if i did something wrong feel free to bark at me D:
14:11<Eddi|zuHause3>that's Sacro's job :p
14:11<@Belugas>1) newgrf? 2) savegame?
14:11<@Belugas>the crash has nothing to do with chating
14:11<skidd13>eemeli: trams?
14:11<Gonozal_VIII>what did you do? build a road at unusual places?
14:12<@Belugas>he was chating, Gonozal_VIII
14:13<eemeli>what do you mean "newgrf"??
14:13<Gonozal_VIII>i guess that means none
14:14<eemeli>i have an autosave just before the crash
14:14<skidd13>IIRC this bug is related to articulated vehicles and Rubidium has fix it. But I'm not sure.
14:14<skidd13>the autosave is helpfull
14:14<eemeli>we're using the generictram set
14:15<@Belugas>there we go... the set in question IS a newgrf.. or a grf
14:15[~]Belugas wonders if a beta2 would not be in order...
14:16<skidd13>Belugas: FS 1388 <- Same bug
14:16<skidd13>And fixed by Rubidium
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14:17<batataxpto69>ho do i talk in online ttd?
14:18<batataxpto69>tanhk u
14:19<eemeli>well that was fast D:
14:20<eemeli>i meant my bug report :P
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14:51<Sacro>ln-: que?
14:51<batataxpto69>que é que se passa?
14:53<skidd13>Sacro: How many times you've been kicked because of using foreign languages?
14:54<Sacro>skidd13: a fair few
14:54<Sacro>however, I no longer copy/paste stuff
14:54<Sacro>i only use words that I know what they mean
14:54<batataxpto69>we can't use foreign languages?
14:54<skidd13>english only please!
14:55<Sacro>skidd13: por quoi?
14:55<@Belugas>as for everyone can understand
14:55<skidd13>@kick Sacro
14:55<Eddi|zuHause3>yes, i noticed a significant drop in Sacro's sentences in the last few weeks ;)
14:55<Sacro>as for? :p
14:55|-|Sacro kicked [#openttd] Bjarni [You should know how to use English]
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14:55<batataxpto69>but portuguese is not foreign, here is national :P
14:55<Eddi|zuHause3>it's not even correct....
14:55<SpComb>Logs: (old: )
14:55<@Belugas>so anyone can understand everyone...
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14:56<Sacro>no YouT eh
14:56|-|[Bjarni] changed the topic of #openttd: 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta1 | Website: * (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 encoding is mandatory in this channel | English is the official channel language | And please, no YouT
14:56<@Bjarni>looks like our topic is too long
14:57<skidd13>Bjarni: We maybe need a channel disclaimer :D
14:57|-|[Bjarni] changed the topic of #openttd: 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta1 | Website: * (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 is mandatory | use English | And please, no YouTube links
14:57<@Belugas>"UTF-8 encoding and English are mandatory" ?
14:57<ln->will people be kicked for using latin-1?
14:58<ln->(i'm for it)
14:58<batataxpto69>i don't know waht econding am i using
14:58<skidd13>ln-: Not if no one notices
14:58<@Bjarni>only if they complain about not being able to see æøå
14:58[~]Sacro goes to a caf?
14:58<Sacro>Bjarni: see it? I know the guy
14:59<batataxpto69>can you read é ã ê ç ???
14:59<@Bjarni> <batataxpto69> i don't know waht econding am i using <-- basically... can you see this char: "∫"
14:59<@Bjarni>if you can then you don't use latin-1
14:59<batataxpto69>yes i can
14:59<@Bjarni>then you use UTF-8
14:59<ln->and it was only one character?
15:00<ln->the integral sign
15:00<batataxpto69>yes only one, ∫ this one inside quotation marks
15:01<@Bjarni>はい <-- well this should be two chars ;)
15:01<batataxpto69>to oriental chars
15:01<@Bjarni>and if you can read them as Asian chars, then you for sure aren't using any latin charset :P
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15:01<skidd13>Bjarni: Now you use foreign languages :D ;)
15:01<Sacro>hmm, i see 3 unknown utf-8 chars
15:02<@Bjarni>skidd13: I wondered who would say that but it was the best test I could come up with
15:02<batataxpto69>in portuguese channel i can read all the chars, ã à á ê ç ª, etc
15:02<@Bjarni>now the good questions is.... what did I write and in what language?
15:03<skidd13>Bjarni: Be carefull with asian signs, you could say things you never intend... ;)
15:03<@Bjarni>but I know what I just wrote :P
15:03<batataxpto69>i think
15:04<@Bjarni>むね <-- I presume that skidd13 is referring to words like that XD
15:04<@Bjarni>I didn't say it :P
15:04<@Bjarni>(at least not loud)
15:05<@Bjarni>hint: it appears that Sacro has a highlight on this one in English
15:05<ln->ˈsəu ˈɪŋglɪʃ ʃæl wi toːk ðen.
15:05[~]skidd13 hands a katana to Bjani (meant for kicking himself out of the channel) ;)
15:06<skidd13>@all: please stay in english
15:07<@Bjarni> <-- skidd13.... you really want me to do that???
15:07<skidd13>Bjarni: Now a Youtube link
15:07<ln->ˈnaθiŋ woz dɪˈsaɪdiːd əˈbaut orˈtogrəfɪ
15:07<skidd13>ln-: are warned!
15:07<ln->skidd13: what? it's english.
15:07<Sacro>Bjarni: boobies?
15:08<ln->skidd13: modern day english.
15:08<skidd13>ln-: I know therefore no kick ;)
15:08<@Bjarni>see.... Sacro understands boobs in all languages :P
15:08[~]Bjarni imagines Sacro copy pasting the word from before and goes to make an image search on google
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15:09<@Bjarni>Sacro: for all you know this can backfire... you only have my word for the meaning :P
15:10<@Bjarni>I will make this clear once and for all: you can get kicked for writing something I can't read!!!
15:10<skidd13>good night
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15:10<@Bjarni>I think that's the basic channel rule when it comes to what language to use
15:12<Sacro>Bjarni: Shadayim :P
15:12<batataxpto69>are you playing with babel translator?
15:12<Sacro>batataxpto69: no, I happen to know the word
15:15[~]Gonozal_VIII doesn't want to imagine why people would buy a combination of uranium ore, lots of live mouse traps, lube, enema sets and tons of lingerie
15:16<Sacro>Gonozal_VIII: fun evening...
15:18<Gonozal_VIII>it's all fun and games until the mutant butt-mice attack!
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15:21<@Bjarni>Sacro: is that boobs in Arabic?
15:27<Sacro>Bjarni: hebrew
15:29<@Bjarni>but I presume that it's boobs
15:29<batataxpto69>it's the same
15:29<@Bjarni>otherwise you wouldn't have said it
15:30<@Bjarni>now Sacro will wonder for a while what that sentence means :P
15:31<batataxpto69>now he will think and he will not boring us
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15:41<@Bjarni>see... he will not say anything until he figured out what I just said about him
15:41<@Bjarni>so we will never see him again :P
15:42<batataxpto69>that's good, right?
15:42<Gonozal_VIII>that text about german is great :D
15:43<@Bjarni>batataxpto69: it's perferct
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15:52<ln->does anyone here happen to be a doctor?
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15:59<@Bjarni>did you shoot somebody?
16:00<@Belugas>does it hitch?
16:00<@Bjarni>or did you do something as stupid as eat your own cooking?
16:00<@Bjarni>maybe he drank too much
16:00<@Bjarni>I read today that 5 people dies in Finland every day from drinking
16:00<@Belugas>does it smell?
16:01[~]Bjarni feels bad for those 5 people
16:01<@Bjarni>dying on a daily basis...
16:01<batataxpto69>tehy die drinking???
16:01<@Belugas>depends what they were drinking and who gave them :P
16:01<@Bjarni>rocket fuel!
16:01<@Bjarni>jet fuel!
16:01<@Bjarni>good quality jet fuel
16:02<@Bjarni>they drank it in Russia
16:02<@Bjarni>then the police started to investigate why the drunks died
16:03<batataxpto69>here ppl almost only drink beer
16:03<batataxpto69>but the beer hear is strong
16:03<@Bjarni>the thing is... they didn't know it was jet fuel
16:03<@Belugas>here, it's coffee
16:03<@Bjarni>it was sold as illegal vodka
16:04<@Bjarni>and it was cheaper than normal vodka due to a new tax that was meant to cut down the use of vodka
16:04[~]Belugas thinks he need to stop drinking coffee... the night is getting closer
16:04<Gonozal_VIII>i know people that drink 96% ethanol
16:05<+glx>they could try E85 :)
16:05<batataxpto69>people taht drink ethilic alcohol are commiting suicide
16:05<batataxpto69>the liver don't affort that
16:05<batataxpto69>here who drink absint in the night is crazy
16:05<@Bjarni>batataxpto69: are you sober?
16:06<@Bjarni>public drinking in this channel is banned
16:06<batataxpto69>i will translate to see wath is a sober
16:06<batataxpto69>in the babel fish
16:06[~]Belugas googles
16:06<Gonozal_VIII>you don't know e85?
16:06<batataxpto69>babel fish doesn't know wath is a sober
16:06<@Belugas>nope, otherwise, i would not be googling :S
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16:07<Gonozal_VIII>ah... wrong continent for that
16:07<batataxpto69>and i don't know either
16:07<Gonozal_VIII>that's gas with 85% ethanol in it
16:08<batataxpto69>bjarni, wath is a sober
16:08<batataxpto69>a guy that don't drink?
16:08<+glx>a guy with no alcohol in blood
16:08<Gonozal_VIII>ethanol is much cheaper than gas :-)
16:08<batataxpto69>now i am
16:09<batataxpto69>and i am usually
16:09<@Bjarni><batataxpto69> a guy that don't drink? <-- no, that's a description of me
16:09<Gonozal_VIII>i don't drink either
16:09<batataxpto69>ok ok
16:09<@Bjarni>or you could say: "a guy that don't drink" is always sober
16:09<@Belugas>thanks google and Gonozal_VIII
16:10<@Belugas>nope, nothing like that in here...
16:10<@Belugas>or not that i know of
16:10<batataxpto69>saint google has always the answer
16:10<+glx>the answer is always 42
16:10<batataxpto69>by the way
16:10<batataxpto69>where you from?
16:11<Gonozal_VIII>according to wikipedia, there's only one station in canada selling it
16:11<@Bjarni>glx: how much alcohol do you have in your blood right now (in ‰)?
16:11<+glx>near 0
16:11<@Bjarni><glx> the answer is always 42
16:12<@Bjarni> <batataxpto69> where you from? <-- my home town
16:12<@Belugas>[16:12] <Gonozal_VIII> according to wikipedia, there's only one station in canada selling it <--- might not be in my surrounding, for sure
16:12<+glx>Bjarni: but if the answer to this question was 42, I wouldn't be able to write here ;)
16:13<@Belugas>voice to text device?
16:14<Gonozal_VIII>hehe, did you ever try to use that?
16:14<batataxpto69>i quite
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16:14<@Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> hehe, did you ever try to use that? <-- according to it translate the sound of a fart into the word "France"
16:15<@Bjarni>first thing that came up when searching for "France"
16:15<@Bjarni>makes you wonder about the French guys
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16:17<@Bjarni><Jesus> and i kept getting banned simply becuase i lived in france
16:17<@Bjarni>I should pick a country to kick
16:18<@Bjarni>how about Burma?
16:21<Eddi|zuHause3>i vote for austria :p
16:21<+glx>let's ban .dk ;)
16:21<@Bjarni>.de it is
16:21<Eddi|zuHause3>like that quote: "the last austrian we gave op tried to take over the world"
16:21<@Bjarni>.de is Denmark, right?
16:22<Gonozal_VIII>yes, de is denmark, ban .de
16:22<Eddi|zuHause3>do you know another country that starts with de?
16:23<bob27>ban the us:-D
16:23<@Bjarni>well some people acted like they lived there when they closed :P
16:23<@Bjarni>now I know... we ban .mil and .gov and then they will spend a while trying to figure out why we did so
16:24<@Bjarni>because whenever they lurk they can't decode our gaming talk into anything criminal
16:24<@Bjarni>on the other hand then they will waste time on us... time they should use to track down terrorists
16:24<@Bjarni>so by doing so we could help terrorists
16:25<@Bjarni>I guess such a ban is out of the question
16:27<Eddi|zuHause3>hehe, german federal court decided that a group of people arrested for a prevented bombing attack may not be charged as a terroristic organisation (but rather as criminal organisation)
16:28<@Bjarni>you are helping terrorists?
16:28<Eddi|zuHause3>because their actions could not lead to significant damage to a state or governmental organisation
16:28<@Bjarni>that's fucked up
16:29<@Bjarni>your anti terror laws are flawed
16:30<@Bjarni>here we convicted 3 people of terrorism. Then their attorney stated that they shouldn't be convicted because nobody had ever been convicted for having a homemade bomb before without actually using it
16:30<Eddi|zuHause3>you mean we should rather install a high security prison on mallorca and put all souspicious looking people there without charging them?
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16:31<@Bjarni>that's like saying that saying that it's legal to plan to shoot somebody because you shouldn't be jailed because nobody was jailed for using that type of gun before
16:31<@Bjarni><Eddi|zuHause3> you mean we should rather install a high security prison on mallorca and put all souspicious looking people there without charging them? <-- no, I mean having/making a bomb should be terrorism even if the target is say a station rather than a government building
16:32[~]Belugas goes home and leave you in the good entertainment that provides his friend Bjarni. Enjoy
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16:32<@Bjarni>like I intend to stay in this channel right now :P
16:33<Eddi|zuHause3>well, i don't even really know what kind of bomb that was
16:33<@Bjarni>that doesn't matter
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16:34<Eddi|zuHause3>you don't usually get arrested for throwing a firecracker to a stone wall...
16:34<@Bjarni>it's not like type A is more criminal to use than type B if the result is the same: hurting/killing people
16:34<@Bjarni>a firecracker is not a bomb
16:34<Eddi|zuHause3>that's the point, you can't charge people for attempting to kill people if the "bomb" was not meant to be able to kill
16:35<Eddi|zuHause3>a firecracker _is_ a bomb... it explodes when you ignite it
16:36<@Bjarni><EddizuHause3> that's the point, you can't charge people for attempting to kill people if the "bomb" was not meant to be able to kill <-- if they are arrested for possession of a bomb, then I presume that it's a bomb and then it's terrorism
16:37<Eddi|zuHause3>according to german federal court, it is not...
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16:39<Gonozal_VIII>would be hard to tell where the line is between firecracker and bomb... what if you open op 10 firecrackers and pile up the powder? is that a bomb? or 100 of them?
16:40<Eddi|zuHause3>if i read this correctly, they did not actually use bombs, but rather ignition triggers on cars
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16:45<Gonozal_VIII>that's not terrorism, that's damaging property of the state...
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18:04<Eddi|zuHause3>err... my OTTD hangs with 15% map generated
18:05<Eddi|zuHause3>"Leere, felsige Landschaft wird erzeugt"
18:05<Eddi|zuHause3>"0 / 87488"
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18:06<Eddi|zuHause3>uses 90% CPU and does not react to kill
18:08<Gonozal_VIII>leere, felsige landschaft wird erzeugt? how do you get to that?
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18:09<Eddi|zuHause3>3271:STR_CLEARING_TILES :{BLACK}Leere, felsige Landschaft wird erzeugt
18:10<Eddi|zuHause3>looks like a mistranslation though...
18:10<Eddi|zuHause3>3279:STR_CLEARING_TILES :{BLACK}Rough and rocky area generation
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18:11<Eddi|zuHause3>nobody ever notices because that step is probably over way too fast
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18:12<Gonozal_VIII>map generates without problems in 11542, what settings did you use?
18:13<Eddi|zuHause3>nothing unusual... 2048x2048, arctic (alpine)
18:15<Gonozal_VIII>hmm arctic 2048^2 has no problems either
18:16<Gonozal_VIII>but switching to german reminds me why i decided to use english... so many strings are too long...
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18:37<Eddi|zuHause3>it seems to work fine after i deactivate alpine
18:38<Eddi|zuHause3>ah, well, i'll play a temperate game for a change
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18:41<@Bjarni> <--- hehe... "do not pass though closing doors"... that goes without saying but they decided on an interesting picture :)
18:41<@Bjarni>and now I will be sure not to do so
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18:41<@Bjarni>I wouldn't want to get my tail jammed in the door XD
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18:42<Sacro>autorenew is fubar
18:44<ln->is there already an adult site with nude girls playing OpenTTD?
18:44<Sacro>ln-: rule 34
18:44<Eddi|zuHause3>is there already [...] girls playing OpenTTD?
18:44<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause3: yes
18:44<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause3: yes
18:45<ln->Eddi|zuHause3: i see the problem, but some girls are willing to do strange things for money. (according to internet sources)
18:47<@Bjarni>according to rule 34 there should be porn pictures of my bed.... wtf
18:47<@orudge>and you in it!
18:47[~]orudge hides his secret collection
18:47<@Bjarni>no I'm not
18:47<@Bjarni>which makes me think... who is?
18:47<@orudge>bom bom bom
18:47<@orudge>tis Born_Acorn, probably
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18:48<@Bjarni>I have seen a nude girl posing on a steam locomotive
18:48<@Bjarni>well... pictures of it
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18:48<@orudge>George's buses
18:48<@orudge>featured nude ladies
18:48<@Bjarni>some people thought it was funny
18:48<@orudge>that sort of counts, surely?
18:48<@Bjarni>my first thought was "what a dirty girl"
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18:50<@Bjarni>I'm thinking about rule 34.... and trying to find something sick enough to disprove it... I better stop because my mind is not wicked enough to come up with anything where I'm sure that nobody would do it as porn
18:51<@Bjarni>I mean... even if I say public group sex during the winter it will likely be out there somewhere
18:52<Sacro>Bjarni: oh it is
18:52<@Bjarni>I saw a news blooper (from USA). Some news guy was talking to a guy shovelling snow (and there was a lot of it) and they were freezing and all of a sudden they are interrupted by a naked man dancing in the snow
18:52<Sacro>i'd think...
18:52<@Bjarni>Sacro: are you in it?
18:53<@Bjarni>I think it was funny with that named man because he had to move really quickly because it was so cold and those guy warmly dressed guys just stared at him with a wtf look on their faces and the TV guy said something about "some people are really crazy"
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18:54<@Bjarni>I hope that this guy got really ill afterwards... would serve him right
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18:55<@Bjarni> <-- found it
18:55<@Bjarni>it's even live :D
19:05<@Bjarni> <-- I take that they are at a dangerous spot o_O
19:07<@Bjarni> <--- hahahahaha
19:07<@Bjarni>that's golden
19:07<Eddi|zuHause3>err... that's really too much now...
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19:10<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause3: are you sure?
19:10<@Bjarni>who made you judge of that?
19:10<Eddi|zuHause3>i did...
19:18<@Bjarni>you can't
19:18<@Bjarni>I can though
19:19<@Bjarni>because I'm op and you are not
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19:38<@orudge>what an exciting conversation ;D
19:38<@Belugas>amusing, to say the least lol
19:39<@Belugas>how's going orudge? long time no talk
19:39[~]ben_goodger returns from exceedingly long pub occupancy
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19:42<@orudge>Belugas: I'm alright, extremely busy though
19:49[~]orudge bed
19:49<Gonozal_VIII>extremely busy in bed?
19:49<@orudge>I wish ;)
19:50<@orudge>extremely busy in general
19:50<@orudge>Night night
19:50<ben_goodger>that's surprisingly terse
19:50<Gonozal_VIII>good night
19:51<@Belugas>night orudge, rest well :)
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19:57<@Belugas>or at leat tries
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19:58<+glx>25 minutes to notice :)
19:58<@Belugas>took you time
20:00<Sacro>i was doing a spot of racing
20:00<@Belugas>so it didn't botherd you too much, as it seems ;)
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20:28<@Bjarni>Sacro: did you figure out what I said about you?
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20:31<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belugas * r11543 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp lang/english.txt):
20:31<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Codechange: Give a more adequate message when trying to place an industry required to be built over a house on any other type of tiles.
20:31<CIA-1>OpenTTD: In reference to FS#1492, and other "bugs" like that one
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20:32<Eddi|zuHause2>this is weird... there is absolutely no reason for ottd to be hanging like this...
20:32<Eddi|zuHause2>i reverted all local changes, i made make clean, it still hangs
20:32<Eddi|zuHause2>i made a new checkout, and it does not hang
20:34<@Bjarni>you have gremlins in your computer
20:35<@Belugas>i've seen it happening too, Eddi|zuHause2
20:35<Eddi|zuHause2>i suspect a config setting...
20:35<@Belugas>i've kept a savegame that i need to study
20:35<Gonozal_VIII>there was an ufo on your source that got bombed
20:35<@Belugas>when i feel like it...
20:36<Eddi|zuHause2>it's not a savegame
20:36<Eddi|zuHause2>it's during map creation
20:36<Eddi|zuHause2>random map
20:36<Eddi|zuHause2>alpine grf
20:37<+glx>try same seed without grf
20:37<Eddi|zuHause2>without grf it runs fine
20:37<Eddi|zuHause2>seed does not matter
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20:38<Eddi|zuHause2>i copied the .cfg to the new checkoud, then it hangs, too
20:38<+glx>try to find the breaking rev then
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20:39<Eddi|zuHause2>i'd first try to find the breaking config setting...
20:39<Eddi|zuHause2>compiling takes forever...
20:43<@Bjarni>forever is a really long time
20:43<@Bjarni>I will not stay up and wait for it then
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20:48<SpComb>it's moving around in the kitchen while I sit on the sofa here, I can hear it quite clearly
20:48<Gonozal_VIII>you need uranium ore
20:49<SpComb>I wouldn't mind finding a piece of cheese somewhere, that's what the plate there is meant for
20:49<SpComb>hmm, it's not in that photo - I tried to investigate the real effect of cheese upon rats
20:58<Gonozal_VIII>rats laugh
21:04<Eddi|zuHause2>uranium cheese...
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21:19<@Belugas>what's up?
21:19|-|Gonozal_VIII kicked [#openttd] Belugas [you tube yourself]
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21:19<@Belugas>an accident?
21:19<beanie>i need the grf-files. i thougt i found them in the svn, but i cant remember :f
21:19<@Belugas>which grf files?
21:20<beanie>"OpenTTD requires the original version of Transport Tycoon Deluxe data files in order to function."
21:20<+glx>that's quite explicit
21:20<@Belugas>indeed :)
21:21<beanie>... :)
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21:47<CIA-1>OpenTTD: glx * r11544 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix [FS#1501]: revert r11453 as it translated cargo when it should not
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21:59<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belugas * r11545 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp lang/english.txt): -Revert(r11543): The result is not what was expected. Looks like more work might be needed
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22:56<@Belugas>yeah... me too
22:56[~]Belugas goes to sleep
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