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03:31 | <dihedral> | morning ladies |
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04:09 | <dihedral> | is there still work in progress on the no-ai branch? |
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04:22 | <dihedral> | or is there development on getting squirrel to the console language? |
04:22 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | there has been no declaration of stopping work |
04:22 | <dihedral> | well - that does not really mean _that_ much :-P |
04:22 | <dihedral> | i beleive i once saw a commit or two by Rubidium to the noai branch - but i am not sure |
04:23 | <dihedral> | and if squirrel were the main console language that would make it pretty powerful :-P |
04:23 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | yeah, but with truebrain leaving, and other devs with "time constraints", plus 0.6 being released "shortly", i don't think there will be much happening in the near future |
04:29 | <dihedral> | i was not wanting to 'see' something happen in 'the near future' - and i think nearly everybody knows that one should not expect anything to happen in 'the near future' |
04:29 | <dihedral> | i was just wanting to be updated with the current state :-) |
04:29 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | well, i meant for very generous definitions of "near" ;) |
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04:30 | <dihedral> | yes - as generous as it always is in #openttd :-P |
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04:31 | <roboboy> | when I test a vehicle what constitutes testing so I dont get the penalty imposed on me of no new tests for the next year |
04:33 | <roboboy> | hello |
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04:35 | <dihedral> | ?? |
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04:36 | <roboboy> | you know the blue box asking if you want to test their vehicle |
04:37 | <dihedral> | yes |
04:37 | <dihedral> | you want to tell me you actually 'test' it - i mean - you do something else than simply use it? |
04:38 | <roboboy> | but what constitues testing |
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04:38 | <roboboy> | can it just be a short run |
04:38 | <dihedral> | you get the privilege of using it a year elarlier than anybody else? |
04:38 | <dihedral> | look at it more of a promotion thiny |
04:38 | <roboboy> | say I plan to use it but dont get the line finmished before the train is made available to all |
04:38 | <dihedral> | so |
04:39 | <TallOak_> | They usually come at a higher breakdown cost, IIRC. |
04:40 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | roboboy: i think if you don't have it after 1 year, they won't offer you any more prototypes for a while |
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04:44 | <roboboy> | about a year |
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05:01 | <pavel1269> | hi |
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05:08 | <Smoky555> | hi all |
05:09 | <pavel1269> | hi |
05:09 | <Wolf01> | hello |
05:09 | <Smoky555> | in last trunk someone forget to add window_*.h files to project ... (trunk 11670). Who can fix this? |
05:10 | <Smoky555> | and window.h file is still in project ... |
05:11 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | bugs.openttd.org |
05:11 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | and state WHICH project... |
05:12 | <Smoky555> | it is not bag, game builds ok without any errors. |
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05:14 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | but there the people who can fix it will read it |
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06:04 | <Smoky555> | what is the max population in city in openTTD ? |
06:05 | <Wolf01> | uint |
06:05 | <Wolf01> | i think |
06:10 | <Prof_Frink> | (max. pop. per building)*((max. town radius)*pi^2)*(required road factor) |
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08:09 | <As1> | Hi all. Just wondering; How do I transfer money to another player in multi-player mode? :-) |
08:10 | <+glx> | use client list |
08:11 | <As1> | Ahhhh, thanks very much. |
08:11 | <As1> | Why is my nick Openttd I wonder. :-) |
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08:53 | <frosch123> | Hoooorrraayy! Holidays! |
08:54 | <Gonozal_VIII> | since last week! |
08:54 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ;-) |
08:54 | <frosch123> | For some months :) |
08:54 | <Gonozal_VIII> | :O |
08:54 | <Gonozal_VIII> | why that? |
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08:55 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ah germany... |
08:55 | <frosch123> | well actually until I find a job. |
08:56 | <frosch123> | Some kind of final holidays. |
08:56 | <Gonozal_VIII> | had that two years long until i decided to start studying... |
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08:57 | <frosch123> | well, i just finished :) |
08:57 | <frosch123> | took long enough |
08:58 | <Gonozal_VIII> | what did you study? |
08:58 | <frosch123> | "Technomathematik", i.e. applied mathematics |
08:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | <-- business informatics |
09:00 | <Gonozal_VIII> | what kind of work needs a technomathemage? |
09:00 | <Gonozal_VIII> | (just made that word up, cool, isn't it?) |
09:01 | <frosch123> | things, that need more mathematical skills, than engineers or informatics have :) |
09:01 | <Noldo> | simulations |
09:01 | <frosch123> | solving partial differential equations etc. |
09:02 | <Gonozal_VIII> | well, solving is not the problem, computers do that... finding the right equation is more problematic |
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09:03 | <frosch123> | well i teach the computer how to solve them, and there are a lot which are not that easily solvable |
09:04 | <frosch123> | like doing some mouse-clicks in femlab, ... |
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09:06 | <Gonozal_VIII> | femlab does research on women? |
09:07 | <frosch123> | It is a kind of woman for mathematicans :) |
09:09 | <Gonozal_VIII> | "dies ist mein femlab, es gibt viele femlabs, doch dieses ist meins..." |
09:09 | <frosch123> | if you really want to know: finite-element-method-laboratory. |
09:10 | <frosch123> | though it is the name of the company now. the software is named "comsol" since it is independent from matlab. |
09:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ook? |
09:12 | <frosch123> | "ook"? |
09:13 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i don't know anything about that companies or products...^^ |
09:14 | <frosch123> | then you are neither a mathematican nor an engineer. :) |
09:14 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | he said "buisiness informatics" ... that's like the worst kind... |
09:14 | <Gonozal_VIII> | :P |
09:14 | <frosch123> | But you have chances that you meet "matlab" during your informatics studies. |
09:15 | <frosch123> | well there are a lot girls in "buisiness informatics". |
09:15 | <frosch123> | if they are not watching soaps all day, they are fine. |
09:15 | <Gonozal_VIII> | there's not many of us but one day we will rule the world! muhahahahahaha |
09:16 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | the only girls here study "bio-informatics" |
09:16 | <Gonozal_VIII> | bio informatics? :S |
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09:16 | <frosch123> | yes, they also construct women |
09:17 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and yes, we have lots of girls |
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09:17 | <frosch123> | ... watching soaps all day |
09:17 | <Gonozal_VIII> | nono... |
09:17 | <Gonozal_VIII> | there's also the afternoon talkshows |
09:18 | <frosch123> | :) |
09:18 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | well, they program test software for certain deseases (e.g. Alzheimer) |
09:19 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | and they measure code quality in unemployed engineers per lines of code :p |
09:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehe |
09:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | we |
09:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | are the ones that set them free to live a happy workless life :-) |
09:20 | [~] | frosch123 has indeed heard a lecture "bio informatics", but it was about reconstructing dna, searching patterns, etc. Btw. the lecturer was a female professor. |
09:21 | <Gonozal_VIII> | female professors are a myth |
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09:23 | <frosch123> | Well she was always muttering, that she gets letters for "mr. professor..." |
09:23 | <Gonozal_VIII> | we have a whole institute for gender stuff :S |
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09:28 | <Gonozal_VIII> | they do very important reaearch to find more words where you can attach "Innen" |
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09:29 | [~] | Hendikins growls |
09:29 | <Hendikins> | Have to double back and I can't fucking sleep. |
09:30 | <Gonozal_VIII> | try to sleep without fucking |
09:31 | [~] | Hendikins shakes head. |
09:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | read something... preferably a manual |
09:31 | <Hendikins> | Tried that. |
09:31 | <Hendikins> | I've written manuals, so they don't bore me to sleep. |
09:32 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | you always analyse the other people's style :p |
09:32 | <Hendikins> | Or I could give up, and crash after I finish my next shift. |
09:32 | <Gonozal_VIII> | try "Bunte Steine" from Adalbert Stifter... if you can't read german even better |
09:32 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | try counting trains ;) |
09:33 | <Hendikins> | Eddi|zuHause3: I do that at work. |
09:33 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | yeah, i know ;) |
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09:33 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | but around here, they always advise you to count sheep |
09:33 | <Hendikins> | And I actually mean that somewhat literally, I've been going through the STNs and doing up the modified SWTTs and DVAs for my station. |
09:34 | [~] | Gonozal_VIII has no idea what that was supposed to mean |
09:34 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | i assume time tabeling stuff |
09:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | you could write a patch for programmable switches ;-) |
09:35 | <Hendikins> | Gonozal_VIII: STN = Special Train Notice. SWTT = Standard Working Timetable. DVA = Digital Voice Announcement |
09:35 | <Gonozal_VIII> | aaah |
09:36 | <Hendikins> | When we've got altered running for whatever reason (usually trackwork), an STN is issued. |
09:36 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i thought you don't use the dvas a lot |
09:36 | <Hendikins> | I don't, others do |
09:36 | <Hendikins> | And I have the attention to detail required for putting the announcements and whatnot together. |
09:37 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | especially within trains they often have digital voices telling "next stop: XYZ" |
09:37 | <Hendikins> | Our "modified SWTT" is a document that contains a nice table of the trains leaving my station in each direction - run number, time, via, stopping pattern, and when it hits Central (or terminating location) |
09:38 | <Gonozal_VIII> | have to go deiceify my car... have to drive my mother and grandparents to the next city for shopping in 20 minutes |
09:38 | <Hendikins> | So what I end up doing is reading the STN, picking out what bits we actually care about, dropping them in to the aforementioned table, then using the data in that table to do the DVA library. |
09:39 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmmm i'll check the webcam first if there is snow outside.. |
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09:45 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | he really feels the wrath of peer... |
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10:20 | <Prof_Frink> | Eddi|zuHause3: But he knows who peer is. |
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10:47 | <fjb> | Moin |
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10:57 | <SmatZ> | hello |
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11:03 | <fjb> | Hi SmatZ |
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11:18 | <SmatZ> | evening fjb |
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11:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | is there a way to get qos through some software when the router itself doesn't have it? |
11:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | sorry for the offtopic question |
11:58 | <Digitalfox> | Gonozal_VIII: CfosSpeed |
11:58 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | as long as the router runs linux ;) |
11:58 | <+glx> | but will only work for qos on your own pc |
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11:58 | <Digitalfox> | Use it in every pc and it will prioritize web pages traffic and put P2P to the back |
11:58 | <Digitalfox> | I use it at home and at work |
11:58 | <Digitalfox> | And reccomend it |
11:59 | <Digitalfox> | So my P2P doesn't slow down my web experinece |
11:59 | <Digitalfox> | It adjusts P2P download and upload to let you open pages and make some downloads |
11:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | thanks... could be useful but atm it's another pc on the network that's slowing me down |
11:59 | <Digitalfox> | yes, but still can use it |
11:59 | <Digitalfox> | and if you can intsall it in that machine |
12:00 | <Digitalfox> | The new version of Cfos Speed talks to each pc so that P2P or other aplications is put behind |
12:00 | <Gonozal_VIII> | nice |
12:00 | <Gonozal_VIII> | 4.06? |
12:00 | <Digitalfox> | Give it a shot http://www.cfos.de/index2_e.htm |
12:01 | <Digitalfox> | yes |
12:04 | <Gonozal_VIII> | now to tell him about it... he has the same problems (just got disconnected from icq) |
12:05 | <fjb> | Gonozal_VIII: Which kind of network load gets you disconnected? |
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12:14 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | fjb: an unlimited p2p client can really choke your network |
12:15 | <fjb> | Yes, but also a simple ftp or http download can. p2p is not always the reason for a jam in the network. |
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12:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | installed and running on both pcs |
12:21 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | i give you 30 minutes :p |
12:21 | <Gonozal_VIII> | :P |
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12:23 | <Sacro> | morning |
12:23 | <Gonozal_VIII> | morning :S |
12:24 | <Digitalfox> | Gonozal_VIII: So how is it doing? |
12:24 | <Gonozal_VIII> | connection to icq failed... |
12:25 | <Digitalfox> | You instaledd cfos on both? |
12:25 | <Gonozal_VIII> | lots of load on the hd |
12:25 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes |
12:25 | <Digitalfox> | the first thing you have to do on both is use max download and upload so it can calibrate |
12:26 | <Digitalfox> | Then in the program you can say what you want to have more importance |
12:26 | <Digitalfox> | By default it should all P2P to the last place |
12:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | what does it do to my harddisk? |
12:26 | <Digitalfox> | *put |
12:26 | <Digitalfox> | nothing |
12:26 | <Digitalfox> | it doesn't need the HDD |
12:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | but its very active... |
12:27 | <Digitalfox> | are you sure it's not your firewall or anti-virus? |
12:27 | <Digitalfox> | Hey i use it for 3 years now, and also a lot of friends with no problems |
12:27 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmmm acs.exe uses 70% of the cpu |
12:28 | <Digitalfox> | that's not cfos |
12:28 | <Gonozal_VIII> | but it didn't do that before |
12:28 | <Digitalfox> | thats your modem/router software |
12:28 | <Digitalfox> | if not mistaken http://www.neuber.com/taskmanager/process/acs.exe.html |
12:29 | <Digitalfox> | What do you use modem or router? |
12:29 | <Digitalfox> | Disable it, if needed |
12:29 | <Gonozal_VIII> | both |
12:29 | <Digitalfox> | So a router conceted to a modem? |
12:29 | <Digitalfox> | *connected |
12:30 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes |
12:30 | <Digitalfox> | ok |
12:30 | <Gonozal_VIII> | disabled acs.exe, now the hd works even more |
12:30 | <Digitalfox> | And why do you need router/modem software if the conections is made by the modem in conjuction with the router? |
12:30 | <Gonozal_VIII> | but cpu usage is down from 75% to 4 |
12:30 | <Digitalfox> | Are you sure it's not the anti-virus? |
12:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | back to normal now |
12:32 | <Digitalfox> | The best way to use Cfos, is to have a fresh windows with no modem/router software and your firewall and anti-virus propery configured to let cfos work |
12:32 | <Digitalfox> | Many people also use it to online games, better Low Ping |
12:33 | <Digitalfox> | It's pretty used actually :) |
12:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | icq doesn't connect |
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12:33 | <Digitalfox> | Gonozal_VIII: read this http://www.cfos.de/speed/documentation/a_p2p_e.htm |
12:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i already set trillian to higher priority |
12:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmm i'll try restarting it |
12:35 | <Digitalfox> | what p2p is your friend using? |
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12:40 | <Gonozal_VIII> | icq is connected now |
12:40 | <|Jeroen|> | to what ? |
12:40 | <Gonozal_VIII> | to the icq server :-) |
12:41 | <Digitalfox> | so is it better? |
12:41 | <|Jeroen|> | mhz |
12:41 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i don't know... i'll have to see if it keeps disconnecting me |
12:44 | <Digitalfox> | Th longer you use the better experience you'll have.. |
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12:44 | <Digitalfox> | Also there is a lot of things you can change |
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12:46 | <Digitalfox> | but Gonozal_VIII what P2P does your friend use? |
12:47 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmmm don't know |
12:49 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [18:45:21] *** You have been disconnected. Thu Dec 20 18:45:21 2007. |
12:49 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [18:47:36] *** You have been disconnected. Thu Dec 20 18:47:36 2007. |
12:49 | <Digitalfox> | Well you should, because if is emule you should configure it to use 80% of download max and upload max, or it will estrangulate your conection.. Also emule has an option to try to auto-upload speed, that should be turned off.. |
12:49 | <Digitalfox> | Cfos Speed works well if you also configure right your P2P aplications |
12:50 | <Digitalfox> | Theres no miracles |
12:51 | <Digitalfox> | But what you are experinecing is the worst situation that can happen.. losing aplications concetions to the server with bad pings tranfers time/speed |
12:51 | <Digitalfox> | Sorry my english, but i'm using a semi destroyed keyboard.. |
12:53 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes... msn is the worst, it doesn't even connect there... icq disconnects and reconnects all the time and irc sometimes |
12:53 | <Digitalfox> | So do what i'm telling you, find out what P2P he is using and CONFIGURE IT PROPERLY |
12:54 | <Gonozal_VIII> | he says qtorrent |
12:54 | <Gonozal_VIII> | gamma :S |
12:54 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i guess he means µ |
12:54 | <Digitalfox> | Go the options and put 80% of your speed of download and upload.. |
12:55 | <Digitalfox> | And see if theres a option for auto-speed control, and deactivate it |
12:55 | <Digitalfox> | Until you do this, what you are experiencing will just continue even with cfos, because it can't make miracles |
12:56 | <Digitalfox> | Cfos works if the P2P aplicattions are well configured |
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12:56 | <Digitalfox> | For example i have ADSL 8128/384 so i have in emule download unlimited and max of upload 35KB/s |
12:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmmmm he had it limited to 15kb/s upload and 50 download... |
12:57 | <Digitalfox> | So that 7-8KB/s are free for server conections |
12:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | 3mbit line |
12:57 | <Digitalfox> | what upload do you have? |
12:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | 384 too |
12:58 | <Digitalfox> | So that means it cab 30KB/s of upload, but if auto-upload speed is turned on it will raise that value |
12:58 | <Digitalfox> | Also there another thing how many half-conections does you router modem suppoort' |
12:58 | <Gonozal_VIII> | half connections? |
12:59 | <Digitalfox> | Yes |
12:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | automatic setting has been off |
12:59 | <Digitalfox> | ok |
12:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | so what's a half connection? |
13:00 | <Digitalfox> | well wiki ;) |
13:00 | <Digitalfox> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-open_connection |
13:01 | <Digitalfox> | All router/modem hgas a limit of how many by sec it can do |
13:01 | <Digitalfox> | if that limit is reached concetions will be lost |
13:01 | <Digitalfox> | so see how many there is the u torrent |
13:01 | <Digitalfox> | and try to find out how many your hardware support |
13:01 | <+glx> | windows already limit half connection number |
13:02 | <Digitalfox> | yes to 10 |
13:02 | <Digitalfox> | but that limit is normally raised by a patch |
13:02 | <Digitalfox> | and his friend have changed it |
13:02 | <Digitalfox> | *may |
13:02 | <Digitalfox> | i for example have 100 |
13:02 | <Digitalfox> | but normally emule or azureus only use 50 |
13:03 | <Digitalfox> | but that's because my US Robotics support it, has a good CPU |
13:03 | <Gonozal_VIII> | the connections to peers/seeds? |
13:03 | <fjb> | I don't see why a router should have a limit in half open connections. |
13:03 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | no, the connections that are about to start |
13:03 | <Digitalfox> | But Gonozal_VIII maybe we should talk by private, we are flooding the channel with off topic discussion |
13:04 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | fjb: because the producers are cheap bastards |
13:04 | <Digitalfox> | Eddi|zuHause3: True :) |
13:05 | <fjb> | The router only forwards the packets, no need to care about the state of a connection. Even the firewall of the cheapest router should have no problem with the number of connections. |
13:06 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | fjb: how much do you know of routing? |
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13:07 | <fjb> | Eddi|zuHause3: Why do you ask? |
13:07 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | to be able to put your statements into the right context |
13:08 | <fjb> | I have build profeesional firewalls with quality of service support. |
13:10 | <SmatZ> | "Even the firewall of the cheapest router should have no problem with the number of connections." |
13:10 | <SmatZ> | then I had "cheaper than cheaper" ... it was dying when I was trying too many connections in a short time |
13:10 | <fjb> | Reaching the limit of half open tcp connections (only tcp has it anyway) doesn't cause disconnections of already established connections. |
13:10 | <SmatZ> | like 50 conn/sec |
13:10 | <SmatZ> | router lockup etc |
13:11 | <fjb> | SmatZ: Bugs may be in any software, especially in chaep one. That is sad and true. |
13:13 | <fjb> | A router that gets locked up under any condition is a pice of crap. It may drop connections when it is not capable to allow more, but it should never lock up. |
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13:26 | <fjb> | What did you install? cFos speed? |
13:27 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes |
13:28 | <fjb> | I took a look at their website. It looks very capable. But it only shapes the traffic of the computer it is installed on, if I'm not mistaken. |
13:30 | <Gonozal_VIII> | variable (cooperative) Your connection has variable bandwidth and/or you use it with several PCs simultaneously. cFos Traffic Shaping is installed on all PCs. |
13:30 | <fjb> | So one computer still can steel the bandwith of the other. |
13:30 | <Gonozal_VIII> | there is that setting |
13:31 | <fjb> | Ah, ok. The question is, how it manages that cooperative mode. |
13:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | no idea |
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13:32 | <Gonozal_VIII> | but not very good as it seems because icq disconnected 6 times since install |
13:32 | <fjb> | Traffic shaping is very limited if the traffic shaper doesn't see the whole traffic. |
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13:33 | <fjb> | First step should be to find out the cause of your disconnections. |
13:34 | <Digitalfox> | One thinng is a router with broadband modem included another thing is a conection with a Modem + Router.. They may not get along very well.. |
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13:34 | <Haube> | hi |
13:34 | <Digitalfox> | I've seen many cases of this |
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13:34 | <fjb> | Hi Haube |
13:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmm so it could be a hardware problem... |
13:34 | <Haube> | wow very crowded here ;) |
13:34 | <Digitalfox> | When a Router with broadband included would be 2x more stablke than a Modem conected to a Router |
13:35 | <Digitalfox> | Diferent manufucters don't always get along very well |
13:35 | <Digitalfox> | You have the example of Wireless draft 2 |
13:35 | <Digitalfox> | not all of them get along |
13:35 | <fjb> | I don't beleave in a hardware problem yet. We still don't know enough about the cause of the disconnections. |
13:36 | <Digitalfox> | i'm saying it is, but could be |
13:36 | <Haube> | i have a short question, how can i buy firm completely , i am playing on lan with a friend and we want to merge our companys |
13:36 | <Gonozal_VIII> | it used to be only me directly on the modem and later he wanted to get internet too so he bought the router... that's why it's not a combined router/modem thingy |
13:36 | <fjb> | Draft is draft, as the name tells. It is not estonishing that two different drafts are not working together. |
13:37 | <fjb> | Haube: Buying a whole company is not possible in multyplayer. |
13:37 | <Haube> | i tried also to load it in single player but it dosen't work either |
13:38 | <fjb> | Gonozal_VIII: How is your network layout? |
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13:38 | <Gonozal_VIII> | router is connected to modem then we're both directly connected to the router |
13:39 | <Haube> | ok if its not possible thanks for the help, so i dont have to spend much time, i will idle a bit around here ;) nice place ! have a nice day/evening |
13:40 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | once upon a time there was a patch setting to buy out a company with 100% shares |
13:40 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | (single player only) |
13:40 | <fjb> | Only the router is able to do a fair traffic shaping. cfos speed may help, but it will have a hard time to make it fair. |
13:41 | <Haube> | computer players can still be taken over, |
13:41 | <Gonozal_VIII> | it doesn't need to be fair, it's fair enough if icq/msn/irc doesn't disconnect |
13:41 | <fjb> | Gonozal_VIII: You should try to find out if sending or receiving causes the problems. |
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13:42 | <fjb> | The disconnects of already established connections are caused by timeouts or lost packets. |
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13:43 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i would guess sending as the incoming bandwidth was nowhere near fully used |
13:44 | <fjb> | That is good. You have a better chance tu cure problems on the sending side. |
13:44 | <+glx> | the problem is often upload |
13:45 | <fjb> | Gonozal_VIII: Is your download speed highter when you are not uploading anything? |
13:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | download drops to almost zero when upload is >35 kb/s |
13:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | but he had it limited to 15 |
13:46 | <fjb> | Looks like the problem are dropped ack packets. |
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13:48 | <Gonozal_VIII> | how do keep them from being dropped? |
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13:49 | <fjb> | Give them highes priority. But it looks like cfos speed already does it. Does your download speed still drop with installed cfos speed when your friend is using more of the upload bandwidth? |
13:51 | <Gonozal_VIII> | he has the same icq problems, so he is offline now... |
13:52 | <fjb> | We need his cooperation to debug your problem. |
13:52 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i'll sms him |
13:53 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | how far apart are you guys? |
13:54 | <Gonozal_VIII> | he's a floor above me |
13:55 | <@Bjarni> | ohhh... is he still stealing all your bandwidth? |
13:55 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes, bad him |
13:55 | <Gonozal_VIII> | he.. |
13:55 | <Gonozal_VIII> | dunno |
13:55 | <@Bjarni> | give me his IP and I will ban him |
13:55 | <Gonozal_VIII> | same as mine^^ |
13:55 | <Prof_Frink> | disenRJ45 him. |
13:55 | [~] | Bjarni has the root password to the internet |
13:56 | <SmatZ> | Bjarni: rm -Rf / |
13:56 | <@Bjarni> | :D |
13:56 | |-| | mode/#openttd [+b *!*@N805P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] by Bjarni |
13:56 | <@Bjarni> | now I banned him |
13:56 | <@Bjarni> | :P |
13:56 | |-| | mode/#openttd [-b *!*@N805P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] by Bjarni |
13:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | he's online again and i told him to resume downloads... so i'll disconnect soon |
13:57 | <@Bjarni> | Gonozal_VIII: so... do you need any more help? |
13:57 | <@Bjarni> | you asked him to take your bandwidth??? |
13:57 | <fjb> | Bjarni: Gonozal_VIII needs a router with a capable traffic shaper. Send one to him. |
13:58 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes, that would help :-) |
13:58 | <fjb> | Bjarni: We try to debug his problems. |
13:58 | [~] | Bjarni uploads a new router to Gonozal_VIII |
13:58 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehe |
13:58 | <@Bjarni> | and it's a mighty good one |
13:58 | <@Bjarni> | it has a special feature |
13:58 | <Gonozal_VIII> | how do i decompress software to hardware? |
13:58 | <@Bjarni> | it gives me full LAN access without you realising it |
13:58 | <fjb> | Sadly it's also a virtual one... |
13:59 | <fjb> | Bjarni: Look at all the bad stuff at 127.0.0.1 :-) |
13:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | 3d matter printer... |
14:00 | <@Bjarni> | omg |
14:00 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i'm 192.168.1.5 :-) |
14:00 | <@Bjarni> | look at all the source codes on 127.0.0.1 |
14:00 | <@Bjarni> | this guy appears to be a coding genius |
14:00 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | look at all the security holes at 127.0.0.1 |
14:00 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | i'm totally going to hack this guy |
14:01 | <@Bjarni> | hmm |
14:01 | <fjb> | Gonozal_VIII: You published your IP, now you are lost. :-) |
14:01 | <@Bjarni> | looks like I can connect to this guy on all ports... no firewalls or anything |
14:01 | <Gonozal_VIII> | oh noes |
14:01 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | Bjarni: we're going to DDoS him, alright? |
14:01 | <@Bjarni> | Gonozal_VIII: I have really low ping to your IP |
14:02 | <|Jeroen|> | yeah a good old dossing |
14:02 | <@Bjarni> | but.... why are you using such an ancient mac? |
14:02 | <fjb> | Gonozal_VIII: What IP ist your freind using? |
14:02 | <@Bjarni> | it's so 1999 |
14:02 | <@Bjarni> | or even older |
14:02 | <Gonozal_VIII> | same with 6 |
14:03 | [~] | Bjarni feels sorry for Gonozal_VIII |
14:03 | <@Bjarni> | the computer is too old for even OpenTTD |
14:03 | <Gonozal_VIII> | 1999 computer is too old for openttd? |
14:03 | <@Bjarni> | this one is |
14:03 | <DeGhost> | no |
14:04 | <DeGhost> | specs? |
14:04 | <fjb> | A 1999 Mac ist too old... |
14:04 | <DeGhost> | get linux |
14:04 | <fjb> | Gonozal_VIII: Is he using more bandwith with his uploads now? |
14:04 | <@Bjarni> | 266 MHz G3... but the problem is that the newest version of OSX it can use is 10.2.8 while OpenTTD needs 10.3 |
14:05 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | get an older version of OpenTTD ;) |
14:05 | <Gonozal_VIII> | his upload is between 27 and 35 |
14:05 | <fjb> | Bjarni: Would installing a X server not help? |
14:05 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | or try to bug the MAC dev that he introduces support for 10.2.8 :p |
14:05 | <Prof_Frink> | This computer could probably play openttd if I set it to use fbdev |
14:05 | <fjb> | Gonozal_VIII: is your download speed still near 0? |
14:05 | <Gonozal_VIII> | went down to 20 kb/s |
14:06 | <Gonozal_VIII> | my download |
14:06 | <|Jeroen|> | wouldn't the simplest sollution be to install linux onto it ? |
14:06 | <Gonozal_VIII> | dos |
14:06 | <@Bjarni> | <fjb> Bjarni: Would installing a X server not help? <-- no because the native graphics are faster than X on OSX |
14:07 | <fjb> | Gonozal_VIII: That is low. Are you sure that cfos speed is installed correctly and is shaping the trffic of the networking interface in use? I mean on both computers? |
14:08 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes it is... should be |
14:08 | <fjb> | Gonozal_VIII: And is your daonload speed the same as before you installed cfso speed or is it higher now? |
14:08 | <Gonozal_VIII> | didn't change |
14:08 | <fjb> | downloadspeed |
14:09 | <SmatZ> | brb |
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14:09 | <fjb> | Hm, then cfos speed is not doing it's job. It is either not shaping the traffic on the used interfaces or it is not capable to shape your kind of traffic. |
14:10 | <fjb> | I fear the traffic shaper has to run on the router to be able to shape your traffic. |
14:11 | <Gonozal_VIII> | router doesn't support that |
14:12 | <fjb> | Hack that router. :-) |
14:12 | <fjb> | What kind of router is it? |
14:12 | <Gonozal_VIII> | Your Speed |
14:12 | <Gonozal_VIII> | 2.536 kbps |
14:13 | <Digitalfox> | Hack the router lol |
14:13 | <Gonozal_VIII> | speedtest.at |
14:13 | <Gonozal_VIII> | netgear RP614v4 |
14:14 | <fjb> | That speed is not really low. |
14:15 | <Gonozal_VIII> | well yes... but it shouldn't disconnect icq, msn and irc all the time |
14:16 | <fjb> | Maybe the problem is that cfos speed is not able to diferrentiate the ack packets of different connections. Or you could try to give icq etc. the highes priority. |
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14:16 | <Gonozal_VIII> | another speedtest site says upload 2624kbps download 304kbps |
14:17 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i already gave trillian highest priority |
14:18 | <fjb> | Looks like it is not able to solve your problems. |
14:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that sucks... |
14:19 | <Digitalfox> | fjb: So what do you recommend now? |
14:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | so i'll just keep pulling his cable when i disconnect too often |
14:19 | <Prof_Frink> | Gonozal_VIII: Get Bjarni to build a robot to pull the cable automagically |
14:20 | <fjb> | Buy or build a router with traffic shaping. Or tell the friend to use p2p software only at night. |
14:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehe |
14:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i can reach the cable from here |
14:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | only at night? but that's when i'm online the most |
14:20 | <fjb> | Timesharing. :-) |
14:20 | <fjb> | Ok, then tell him to use it at day. |
14:22 | <Digitalfox> | Sorry but there is no need to trafic shapping on a router from a home user... In this PC i have emule and azureus running right with this IRC client.. On my bedroom my girlfriend is seeing TV stream from the internet and in my other PC i have a Multi player game turned on.. And my router has traffic shapping off, and i onlu cfos Speed |
14:22 | <Sacro> | hmm |
14:23 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i told him to download his stuff between 4 and 12 when i'm most likely asleep |
14:23 | <Digitalfox> | So IMHO there's no need for hardware traffic shapping |
14:23 | <fjb> | Traffic shaping is software anyway. |
14:23 | <Digitalfox> | Software is cheaper and does the work to.. |
14:23 | <Digitalfox> | True but the hardware has to support it |
14:24 | <fjb> | And you have a very diffent mix of traffic than Gonozal_VIII has. |
14:24 | <Digitalfox> | I do? |
14:24 | <Wezz6400> | there's no such thing as hardware routing anyway, the fact that it's firmware running on slow chips doesn't change that it's software |
14:24 | <fjb> | Not every kind of traffic can be shaped with cfos speed in cooperating mode. |
14:25 | <Digitalfox> | yes, but i'm a heavy dsl user, and have no problems using cfos... |
14:26 | <Digitalfox> | But we are very off topic, so i'll just leave the discussion :) |
14:26 | <fjb> | How do you explain that Gonozal_VIII is still having the problems then? |
14:27 | <Digitalfox> | I don't.. But i would point out to bad configuration on torrent's program.. |
14:27 | <Digitalfox> | I never said i did know what was wrong.. |
14:27 | <Gonozal_VIII> | he said that the automatic stuff is off |
14:28 | <Digitalfox> | yes, but there is more configurations.. That is just tip of the iceberg.. If you use azureus and turn on advanced user you will see what i'm talking about |
14:28 | <fjb> | Traffic shaping should solve problems with a badly configured p2p client. If the p2p client is configured to be nice you don't need traffic shaping. |
14:29 | <fjb> | If the traafic shaper is working you don't need to configure the p2p client manually. If you have to do that, the traffic shaper is not shaping your traffic. |
14:30 | <Gonozal_VIII> | good thing is that it's his last year on the school here, so from summer on i'll have the connection alone again |
14:34 | <DeGhost> | what school/ |
14:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | a school type that only exists in austria so you wouldn't know |
14:35 | <DeGhost> | lol |
14:36 | <Gonozal_VIII> | for interior design and wood technology... or something like that^^ |
14:43 | <@Bjarni> | sounds like a school for gay people |
14:43 | <Gonozal_VIII> | it does in the english translation... but it's not |
14:43 | <@Bjarni> | I mean... interior design |
14:44 | <Gonozal_VIII> | it's not really about placing a plant there and some candles there... |
14:44 | <Gonozal_VIII> | more the architecture part |
14:44 | <@Bjarni> | hehehe... not to mention wood technology XD |
14:44 | <fjb> | Oh, cfos speed is really limited in cooperative mode. It tries to guess the availlable bandwidth by using pings. The cfos speed instaces on the diffent computers are not talking with each other. You must be lucky if that kind of shaping is working. |
14:45 | <@Bjarni> | <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Get Bjarni to build a robot to pull the cable automagically <-- that wouldn't work |
14:45 | <@Bjarni> | you see.... I'm taking time off |
14:45 | <@Bjarni> | finished the last exam today :D |
14:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | no cable pulling robot for me? |
14:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | oh nice |
14:45 | <@Bjarni> | now I will do something completely different |
14:46 | <Gonozal_VIII> | codeing for openttd 24/7 ;-) |
14:46 | [~] | Bjarni has an appointment at the switching yard tomorrow |
14:46 | <fjb> | An appointment with a train? |
14:47 | <@Bjarni> | err |
14:47 | <Gonozal_VIII> | do they pay you for driving or do you pay them for letting you drive?^^ |
14:47 | <@Bjarni> | are you indicating that I want to date a train? |
14:47 | <Gonozal_VIII> | sure |
14:47 | <Prof_Frink> | Gonozal_VIII: They pay him to deisgn robots to drive the trains. With lasers and railguns. |
14:48 | [~] | fjb doesn't indicate anything. |
14:48 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehehe |
14:48 | <@Bjarni> | I heard about people being married to the railroad but I think it's meant in a different way XD |
14:48 | <Gonozal_VIII> | a different type of railgun.. a gun that shoots out rails |
14:49 | <@Bjarni> | <Gonozal_VIII> do they pay you for driving or do you pay them for letting you drive?^^ <-- I'm not getting paid but I don't really pay anything myself either (except an annual members fee) |
14:49 | <@Bjarni> | <Gonozal_VIII> a different type of railgun.. a gun that shoots out rails <--- I want one of those |
14:49 | <@Bjarni> | :D |
14:49 | <@Bjarni> | laying tracks by hand is so physically hard |
14:49 | <Rubidium> | Bjarni: is going to clean the ballast with a tooth brush |
14:50 | <@Bjarni> | specially without machinery and machinery is too expensive for us :( |
14:50 | <@Bjarni> | ballast? |
14:50 | <@Bjarni> | shit |
14:50 | <@Bjarni> | I knew we forgot something |
14:50 | <Prof_Frink> | Bjarni: Just make a big loop of track and put it round the train |
14:50 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ballast :S |
14:51 | <Gonozal_VIII> | why do you need ballast? |
14:51 | <@Bjarni> | beats me |
14:51 | <@Bjarni> | well.... we don't lay real tracks, only sidings |
14:51 | <@Bjarni> | with a severe speed limit |
14:51 | <fjb> | So the trains dont capsize. |
14:52 | <@Bjarni> | the demands aren't as high as real tracks |
14:52 | <@Bjarni> | fjb: oh... good point |
14:52 | <@Bjarni> | btw |
14:52 | <@Bjarni> | are you guys picking up ballast? |
14:52 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmm could a train drive on asphalt without rails? |
14:52 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i guess you couldn't steer it... |
15:03 | <fjb> | Depends what kind of driving you mean... |
15:04 | <Gonozal_VIII> | what kind hmmm? |
15:04 | <@Bjarni> | http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/591_loko.jpg <-- this kind? |
15:04 | <@Bjarni> | damn... I just spent 8 minutes finding that image |
15:04 | <fjb> | Oh, oh... |
15:04 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmm the asphalt doesn't look good there |
15:05 | <@Bjarni> | that page needs an index instead of "get random picture" |
15:05 | <pavel1269> | he can't turn there? ^^ |
15:05 | <Gonozal_VIII> | how did that happen? |
15:05 | <@Bjarni> | http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/1008_pic02480.jpg <-- I guess the train has to drive on asphalt here as well |
15:06 | <@Bjarni> | <Gonozal_VIII> how did that happen? <-- poor tracks... it derailed |
15:06 | <Gonozal_VIII> | nice^^ |
15:06 | <pavel1269> | hehe |
15:06 | <@Bjarni> | http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/520_PA1.jpg <-- bad shortcut and bad timing |
15:07 | <pavel1269> | from czech! :P |
15:07 | <@Bjarni> | http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/1436_parkovanie11.jpg <-- this one is Dutch... it blocked the trams for more than an hour |
15:07 | <@Bjarni> | some shortcut |
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15:07 | <pavel1269> | lol :D |
15:07 | <Gonozal_VIII_> | disconnected again... |
15:07 | <@Bjarni> | it jammed between the tracks |
15:08 | <@Bjarni> | http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/2939_pic13931.jpg <--- I have no idea about the story behind this one |
15:08 | <@Bjarni> | any ideas? |
15:09 | <Rubidium> | that 'dutch' one looks kinda photoshopped to me |
15:09 | <fjb> | Gonozal_VIII_: I have read the online documentation of cfos speed. There is no way it can help you. A future version maybe. They are pallning a better cooperative mode. |
15:09 | <Gonozal_VIII_> | ok... thank you |
15:10 | <Gonozal_VIII_> | hmm strange thing is he isn't downloading anything atm |
15:10 | <@Bjarni> | Rubidium: I read about that one in the news at one time... this woman tried to drive on the rails to make a shortcut to avoid heavy traffic.... it worked well for a while but then this happened |
15:10 | <Gonozal_VIII_> | ah... that was a regular 8h disconnect |
15:11 | <@Bjarni> | hehe |
15:11 | <@Bjarni> | http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/1611_trains-side-swipe-each-other.jpg <--- this is what I'm planning on NOT doing tomorrow |
15:11 | <@Bjarni> | the one to the left appears to be nearly breaking the switch |
15:12 | <Gonozal_VIII_> | look how much they love each other :-) |
15:12 | <SmatZ> | :-D |
15:12 | <Rubidium> | their muxer failed |
15:12 | <Sacro> | http://www.y2k38.info/ <- it begins |
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15:14 | <ln-> | where does Bjarni Railways operate? |
15:14 | <@Bjarni> | http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/20070527-113810.jpg <--- wtf? |
15:14 | <@Bjarni> | ln-: ? |
15:15 | <ln-> | to get onboard a train driven by Bjarni, where to go? |
15:15 | <Gonozal_VIII_> | that's fake |
15:15 | <SmatZ> | Bjarni is a train driver? |
15:16 | <Gonozal_VIII_> | he thinks so... don't burst his bubble |
15:16 | <@Bjarni> | ln-: Copenhagen or further to the north |
15:16 | <fjb> | Bjarni thinks he is a train driver. :-) |
15:16 | <@Bjarni> | tomorrow is without passengers though... it's "just" switching yard operations |
15:17 | [~] | Bjarni slaps fjb |
15:17 | <fjb> | :-P |
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15:20 | <@Bjarni> | why is it so hard to believe that I actually have a life? |
15:20 | <Rubidium> | *second |
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15:21 | <ln-> | because you are *not* here 24/7? |
15:21 | <@Bjarni> | ohh I get it |
15:21 | <@Bjarni> | because I'm offline once in a while I can't do anything without using a computer |
15:21 | <@Bjarni> | now that sounds logical |
15:22 | <@Bjarni> | you are a true Vulcan by heart |
15:22 | <ln-> | so that indicates you must be trying to fake life by being offline even several days now and then. |
15:22 | <ln-> | you're still at your computer, but not using irc, that is. |
15:22 | <fjb> | Really? there is life outside the internet? |
15:22 | <@Bjarni> | that would be stupid |
15:23 | <@Bjarni> | <fjb> Really? there is life outside the internet? <-- yes... those are called UFOs |
15:23 | <fjb> | Ok, ok, I don't belive in UFOs. |
15:24 | <@Bjarni> | http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3448 <-- why not? They are for real |
15:24 | <@Bjarni> | see for yourself |
15:24 | <@Bjarni> | we should trust the government XD |
15:25 | <fjb> | The earth may possibly flat... |
15:25 | <Gonozal_VIII> | the earth is a sphere |
15:25 | <Gonozal_VIII> | we are on the inside |
15:26 | <SmatZ> | http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/20070603-055023.gif :-x that is sad |
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15:28 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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15:28 | <@Bjarni> | SmatZ: it's claimed to be a hoax. Look at the name and connect it with the fact that it's written on Hitler's birthday |
15:29 | <Gonozal_VIII> | why do people know when hitler's birthday is :S |
15:29 | <@Bjarni> | I don't know |
15:29 | <hylje> | one must know one's führer |
15:29 | <@Bjarni> | I read it when I read that it's a hoax |
15:29 | <@Bjarni> | otherwise I wouldn't have known |
15:30 | <@Bjarni> | err |
15:30 | <SmatZ> | the true is that "April 20th < April 22nd" |
15:30 | <fjb> | The cousin of my father had the same birthday as Hitler. |
15:31 | <SmatZ> | errr nothing! I didn't say anything! |
15:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | only very good teachers can predict future actions |
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15:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | detention... |
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15:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehe |
15:31 | <SmatZ> | hello |
15:31 | <SmatZ> | nice to see you |
15:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hello you guy who didn't say anything |
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15:32 | <SmatZ> | hello :) |
15:32 | <a1270> | hello |
15:32 | <fjb> | hello |
15:32 | <fjb> | Everybody say hello |
15:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hello |
15:33 | <SmatZ> | hello |
15:34 | <@Bjarni> | hello |
15:34 | <@Bjarni> | wait |
15:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | wait |
15:34 | <@Bjarni> | why am I following orders? |
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15:34 | <Gonozal_VIII> | because! |
15:34 | |-| | fjb kicked [#openttd] Bjarni [don't try to command me] |
15:35 | <@Bjarni> | ... |
15:35 | <Gonozal_VIII> | no autorejoin... |
15:35 | <@Bjarni> | is it that hard to reconnect? |
15:35 | <SmatZ> | you made him sad |
15:35 | <+glx> | must notice it first |
15:36 | <Gonozal_VIII> | he's crying now |
15:36 | <pavel1269> | sometimes i'm having reconnecting problems :) |
15:37 | <pavel1269> | guess some kind of bug |
15:37 | <SmatZ> | :'-( |
15:37 | <SmatZ> | poor fjb |
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15:41 | <gege> | hi |
15:42 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hai |
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15:43 | <gege> | dont you know guys there are any way to changing the ottd game scoring mechanism? |
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15:43 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes |
15:44 | <gege> | how? |
15:44 | <Gonozal_VIII> | there's a patch somewhere in the forum afaik or you could write your own |
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15:45 | <@Bjarni> | Gonozal_VIII: why did you say "yes" twice?... and the first time even BEFORE the question was asked? |
15:45 | <@Bjarni> | are you some kind of super natural spiritual guy? |
15:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehehe |
15:45 | <gege> | :) |
15:45 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that was lolcode, not japanese or something^^ |
15:46 | <@Bjarni> | hai is Japanese for "yes" |
15:46 | <gege> | i know |
15:46 | <@Bjarni> | but it's usually written はい though |
15:47 | <SmatZ> | はい though |
15:47 | <@Bjarni> | I just said that |
15:48 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | and i was already worried if i was the only person to see things twice... |
15:49 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i can't see utf-8... but your lines were different |
15:49 | <Gonozal_VIII> | bjarnis thing was longer |
15:50 | <@Bjarni> | はい |
15:50 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | utf-8 may have different encodings for the same character |
15:50 | <@Bjarni> | now it's shorter ;) |
15:50 | <ln-> | "bjarnis thing was longer"... ... |
15:50 | <@Bjarni> | ... |
15:50 | [~] | Bjarni starts to search for hidden cameras |
15:51 | <@Bjarni> | would even have to be x-ray cameras |
15:51 | [~] | Bjarni is a decent person |
15:51 | <@Bjarni> | and I dress in a way that fits my personality |
15:52 | <Prof_Frink> | SmatZ: http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/20070526-100929.jpg |
15:52 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | == pink plastic? |
15:52 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehe mazda pi |
15:52 | <pavel1269> | :) |
15:55 | <SmatZ> | :-)))) |
15:56 | <pavel1269> | SmatZ: tell them something at that toher channel! :D |
15:56 | <pavel1269> | *other |
15:58 | <SmatZ> | pavel1269: you are back already :) |
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15:59 | <pavel1269> | good nick, right? :P |
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16:03 | <pavel1269> | grrr |
16:04 | <pavel1269> | :-O |
16:04 | <pavel1269> | SmatZ: am i on that channel? |
16:05 | <pavel1269> | i cant join it sais me that i am conencted and i can't send anything |
16:12 | <pavel1269> | gn |
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16:36 | <gege> | bb |
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16:53 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ping? |
16:53 | <SmatZ> | pong! |
16:54 | <Gonozal_VIII> | why did everybody stop writing? |
16:54 | <Gonozal_VIII> | write now! everybody! |
16:57 | <ln-> | today's quiz; where's the photo taken: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/vaunu.jpg |
16:58 | <Gonozal_VIII> | kassel? |
16:58 | <SmatZ> | some concentration camp ? |
16:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes, that's what i think too after a closer look |
16:59 | <ln-> | kassel would be a bit too obvious an answer. |
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17:03 | <Gonozal_VIII> | breitenau? |
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17:04 | <ln-> | nope |
17:05 | <ln-> | neuengamme |
17:05 | <Gonozal_VIII> | never heard of that... |
17:07 | <ln-> | near hamburg |
17:07 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes, google told me |
17:09 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that wagon is in a very good condition for its age |
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17:11 | <ln-> | the railway under it is only a few hundred meters long (but contains 1 switch), and has been (re)built in the 90's |
17:13 | <Gonozal_VIII> | some time ago i thought that if zombies would have overrun the earth and you would look for a save place to sleep and keep your stuff, a train would be a good idea |
17:14 | <Gonozal_VIII> | depending on how fast/strong/intelligent the zombies are :-) |
17:17 | <Sogard> | Airports seem like a cheezy way of getting rich. |
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17:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | use grfs with more expensive aircraft |
17:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | higher purchase/running cost |
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17:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | but you don't have to build any tracks and think about paths or signals.... |
17:20 | <Gonozal_VIII> | planes are boring |
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17:21 | <Gonozal_VIII> | sometimes i attach heliports to stations in big cities to fly some tourists around but i hardly ever build airports |
17:22 | <Sogard> | Yeah, I prefer trains over all. |
17:22 | <Sogard> | They're just more fun. |
17:24 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and some trucks/busses/trams inside towns that transfer to the station :-) |
17:25 | <Gonozal_VIII> | and ships to cross water because i don't like long bridges... |
17:28 | <Digitalfox_> | What's name of that movie with the mouse that wants to be a cook? |
17:28 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i know the name but don't ask me to write it down... |
17:29 | <Digitalfox_> | i need it :( |
17:29 | <Gonozal_VIII> | Ratatouille |
17:30 | <Digitalfox_> | yeah i found it :) |
17:30 | <Digitalfox_> | but thanks ;) |
17:33 | <Gonozal_VIII> | why did you need that? |
17:33 | <Sogard> | Good movie. |
17:38 | <Digitalfox_> | It's for my girlfriend sister |
17:39 | <Digitalfox_> | And since it's no longer in movies theatres here in Portugal or in DVD yet, well... |
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17:46 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: smatz * r11671 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Fix: sometimes a vehicle was selected in the vehicle list when it was opened |
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17:48 | <Gonozal_VIII> | bjarni left! |
17:49 | <ln-> | right! |
17:49 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ah i see... first vehicle has a white square around it... |
17:49 | <SmatZ> | yes yes :) |
17:50 | <SmatZ> | just a tiny bufix |
17:51 | <Gonozal_VIII> | was that on flyspray? |
17:51 | <SmatZ> | no... |
17:51 | <SmatZ> | I wonder nobody reported it |
17:51 | <SmatZ> | it has been bothering me for ages :) |
17:51 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i never noticed that |
17:52 | <SmatZ> | probably that is the reason... but now you noticed it :-P |
17:52 | <Gonozal_VIII> | yes^^ |
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18:16 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [00:02:12] *** roboboy has signed off IRC (Ping timeout: 480 seconds). |
18:16 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [00:04:19] *** robotboy has signed off IRC (Ping timeout: 480 seconds). |
18:16 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [00:12:14] *** roboman has signed off IRC (Ping timeout: 480 seconds). |
18:16 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ??? |
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18:16 | <SmatZ> | @seen roboboy |
18:16 | <@DorpsGek> | SmatZ: roboboy was last seen in #openttd 13 hours, 32 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <roboboy> about a year |
18:17 | <SmatZ> | @seen robotboy |
18:17 | <@DorpsGek> | SmatZ: robotboy was last seen in #openttd 28 weeks, 5 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <robotboy> what version of .net does build ottd need? |
18:17 | <SmatZ> | @seen roboman |
18:17 | <@DorpsGek> | SmatZ: roboman was last seen in #openttd 34 weeks, 6 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: * roboman remembers on Brianetta's Starndard when he went broke and had a cala wit a dock on it that weh deleted caused the city to be submerged |
18:17 | <Gonozal_VIII> | straaaaange? |
18:17 | <SmatZ> | maaaybeeee |
18:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | first man then boy... his time is running backwards! |
18:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | next will be robobaby! |
18:19 | <SmatZ> | :-) |
18:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | roboembryo... |
18:20 | <SmatZ> | robosperm |
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18:31 | <Brianetta> | He tried roboman for a night |
18:31 | <Brianetta> | but everybody told him off |
18:31 | <Brianetta> | roboboy was better, we said |
18:31 | <Brianetta> | so he went back |
18:31 | <Gonozal_VIII> | ah |
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18:41 | <roboboy> | although robobman is my last choice for nicknames on irc |
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18:55 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmmm |
18:55 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that seems to be a bug |
18:56 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i left the game open where i tested that vehicle list thing... |
18:56 | <Gonozal_VIII> | now it keeps scrolling left |
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18:58 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hmmm pressed the left key and it stopped |
18:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | can't reproduce it |
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19:07 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | Gonozal_VIII: may have to do with the game loosing focus before geting the "release key" event |
19:07 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | i once got that while holding RMB |
19:11 | <ln-> | or "losing" with one o |
19:15 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | ln-: i will always and forever make that mistake |
19:16 | <ln-> | ok, carry on |
19:18 | <Gonozal_VIII> | what happens to the hd of a laptop in a maglev train when you place the bag containing it on the ground? |
19:19 | <ln-> | either you have a very big bag or a small train. |
19:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | containing the laptop^^ |
19:19 | <Gonozal_VIII> | not train |
19:19 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | inside a metallic object, there should be no outside magnetic or electric fields |
19:21 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [01:20:55] Bartleby: magnetfeld geht schon mal rein |
19:21 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faradayscher_Käfig |
19:21 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i know that... and he knows that even more, he studied physics |
19:23 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | electric and magnetic fields depend on each other |
19:26 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [01:25:16] Bartleby: gibt halt kein em-feld mehr, aber magnetfelder lassen sich schlecht abschirmen |
19:28 | <Eddi|zuHause3> | so what does he think the "m" in "em" means? |
19:29 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [01:28:43] Bartleby: statische magnetfelder kannst nur mit supraleitern abschirmen, wechselfelder auch mit normalen leitern, allerdings nur relativ schlecht im vergleich zu elektrischem feld |
19:29 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [01:29:21] Bartleby: magnetisch, aber hier gehts nicht um ausbreitung, sondern nur darum obs eindringt |
19:30 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [01:29:43] Bartleby: dass es danach keine 300 mio kilometer mehr ausbreitet is wurscht |
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19:32 | <Gonozal_VIII> | [01:31:47] Bartleby: wenn e-anteil vom em-feld abgeschirmt wird breitets sich halt nicht mehr uasi unendlich weit aus sondern nimmt in stärke ab, aber dringt trotzdem noch ein |
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19:32 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i would translate that stuff but i don't understand it... |
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19:57 | <ln-> | wtf, i bought a 8-port 10/100 ethernet switch, and it has a driver disc with it?? |
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19:57 | <Gonozal_VIII> | so? |
19:58 | <ln-> | you don't see anything strange in that? |
19:59 | <Gonozal_VIII> | erm... no? |
19:59 | <+glx> | a switch doesn't need any drivers |
19:59 | <+glx> | you just plug it in the network |
20:00 | <Gonozal_VIII> | i have lots of stuff with useless drivers |
20:00 | <Gonozal_VIII> | usb stick, mouse, hd... |
20:00 | <+glx> | usb stick contains drivers for win98 in them :) |
20:01 | <+glx> | it needs to work for you to be able to get the driver |
20:01 | <Gonozal_VIII> | hehehe |
20:01 | <Gonozal_VIII> | great^^ |
20:02 | <ln-> | Gonozal_VIII: having drivers for a switch is something like having drivers for the power cord of your computer. |
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20:29 | <kyevan> | 20:28 < publicserver> kyevan: Wow, I didn't DC? |
20:29 | <kyevan> | 20:28 < publicserver> kyevan has left the game (connection lost) |
20:29 | [~] | kyevan laughs |
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21:05 | <TinoDidriksen> | http://darkmonkey.org.uk/4/MOTIVATION/428/ - trains gone wrong. |
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21:06 | <Gonozal_VIII> | wow... |
21:06 | <Gonozal_VIII> | that's like mikado with wagons |
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21:12 | <kyevan> | Does ottd use unicode internaly, or? |
21:13 | [~] | kyevan 's trying to figure out if it's ottd or publicserver's fault things like ñ don't copy nicely across from ottd to irc |
21:23 | <+glx> | yes |
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