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#openttd IRC Logs for 2008-02-01

---Logopened Fri Feb 01 00:00:01 2008
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01:52<Desolator>morning'
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06:20<SmatZ>hello
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07:11<HMage>http://pogoda.rbc.ru/ X)
07:12<keyweed>-128 wow. :)
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07:13<DJ-Nekkid>quick question about NFO, again ...
07:13<DJ-Nekkid>is action 0, property 28 and 29 enough to keep a set ECS compatible?
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07:16<HMage>http://weather.mail.ru/?days=11&city=1301
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07:25<@peter1138>DJ-Nekkid, yeah
07:26<DJ-Nekkid>thanx peter1138...
07:27<DJ-Nekkid>and a cargo translation table would be needed to give certain grapics to certain wagons?
07:28<DJ-Nekkid>*trying to learn*
07:35<@peter1138>yes
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07:44<roboboy>gnight
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08:40<Forked>http://xkcd.com/378/ =D
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08:41<Amis>helllllooo
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09:43<fjb>Hi
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10:11<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r12033 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix: do not show train speed as zero after loading paused game
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10:57<Yorick>@seen dih
10:57<@DorpsGek>Yorick: dih was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 19 hours, 43 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <dih> i like that one :-P
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10:58<Yorick>@stats
10:58<@DorpsGek>Yorick: I have 5 registered users with 5 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
10:58<Yorick>!stats
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11:24<Draakon>hi guys
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11:24<fjb>Hi Draakon
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11:25<Draakon>whats up?
11:25<Yorick>hi
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11:30<stillunknown>sbriglie: It will have to wait until after dinner.
11:30<stillunknown>But you can ask your question now.
11:31<stillunknown>Wrong channel, sorry.
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11:36<fjb>Hi Gonozal_VIII
11:36<Gonozal_VIII>hi
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11:42<fjb>Hi frosch123
11:42<Gonozal_VIII>hi
11:43<frosch123>hello
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11:54<Eddi|zuHause3>i figured it out!
11:54<Eddi|zuHause3>Gonozal_VIII is a bot that always says 'hi' ;)
11:54<Prof_Frink>Eddi|zuHause3: Not quite.
11:54<Eddi|zuHause3>he wanted to say 'ni', but the line got too long ;)
11:54<Gonozal_VIII>hi
11:55<Prof_Frink>This entire IRC channel is a figment of my imagination.
11:55<Gonozal_VIII>no mine
11:55<Prof_Frink>None of you exist.
11:55<Gonozal_VIII>none of you exist
11:55<fjb>But that bot can do more. Post a picture that you painted and it returns you a grf it made of it. :-)
11:55<Prof_Frink>(except orudge. He's real.)
11:56<Gonozal_VIII>why is orudge in your imagination?
11:56<Prof_Frink>fjb: orly?
11:56*Prof_Frink tries with http://www.collectedcurios.com/Sauce_Ink_2008_02_01.jpg
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11:57<Gonozal_VIII>hehe
11:57<Eddi|zuHause3>yeah, replace the statue with that ;)
11:57<Gonozal_VIII>so you painted that?^^
11:57<Prof_Frink>Maybe.
11:58<Eddi|zuHause3>i still did not figure out what the exact use of a V160 is
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11:59<fjb>Eddi|zuHause3: Pulling trains
11:59<dih>hi
11:59<Gonozal_VIII>hi
12:00<Eddi|zuHause3>yeah, but what kind of trains? it is weaker than the V200, does not cost significantly less, and has less reliability (not that this would matter to me)...
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12:00<Prof_Frink>Ask the 'chizzle.
12:00<Eddi|zuHause3>@seen 'chizzle
12:00<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause3: I have not seen 'chizzle.
12:01<Eddi|zuHause3>see ;)
12:01<Prof_Frink>[17:01:00] <@patchbot> Prof_Frink: Raichase last spoke 15d 17h ago. 15d 17h ago Raichase left with the message: Quit: Remember kids - Take both pills, fuck the matrix. Also, CAPS LOCK REMAINS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL. http://planet.tt-forums.net/
12:02<Eddi|zuHause3>i am not quite sure i actually see the connection there ;)
12:02<Prof_Frink>That's because you're a silly #openttd'er
12:03<fjb>Eddi|zuHause3: It will be longer availlable than the V200.
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12:18<Amis>can somebody check if its a bug what i found or something else?: at the HELISTATION when you buy more then 4 helicopters and then you start all in the same time, the first 3 come out then the others waiting in the depot
12:18<Amis>BUT when a slot get empty the waiting helicopters do not come out
12:19<Amis>they are waiting until all slots get free
12:19<Gonozal_VIII>yes, i noticed that too, they wait until all slots are free
12:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belugas * r12034 /trunk/src/settings_type.h:
12:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Codechange: A bit of code style cleaning, regarding comments.
12:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Thanks to MagicBuzz who spotted yet another non-converted file
12:27<Amis>anyway helicopters have 4x speed in 0.6 welll they do 40x profit :D
12:27<CIA-1>OpenTTD: frosch * r12035 /trunk/src/yapf/follow_track.hpp: -Fix [FS#1702]: Teach YAPF where trams can reverse, and where not.
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12:28<Eddi|zuHause3>that's because profit is nonlinear
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12:28<Amis>i know
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13:03<Amis>bye all
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13:58<LordAzamath>hello
13:58<Gonozal_VIII>hi
13:58<LordAzamath>what's up?
13:59<LordAzamath>hmm.. boring people..
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14:03<@Belugas>hey... don't bitch the working class...
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14:05<Eddi|zuHause3>don't bite the hand that feeds you ;)
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14:05<LordAzamath>haha.. I'm just on too good mood for not doing it :P
14:05<Wolf01>hello
14:05*fjb is busy drawing.
14:06<LordAzamath>hello Wolf01
14:06<fjb>Hi Wolf01
14:07<Digitalfox>http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=35&showentry=1616
14:08<Eddi|zuHause3>hm, something is wrong... some not-full wagons don't close when starting from the station
14:08<Digitalfox>Anyone heard about this accident?
14:09<LordAzamath>nope
14:09<Eddi|zuHause3>Digitalfox: so had that really have to be in here?
14:09<LordAzamath>this is... somewhat unneeded really
14:09<Digitalfox>ok guys sorry
14:09<Digitalfox>just wanted to know more details
14:09<Eddi|zuHause3>you are a sad person, sir
14:10<LordAzamath>I know we had a motorcycle/car accident last year where the *car* driver died.. Motorcycle driver escped with few injures
14:11<Gonozal_VIII>they write that they should take the motorcycles off the roads... i would say take the trucks off the roads instead
14:11<Digitalfox>lol I own a motorcycle and so stuff like this is important to me.. I could happen to me or anyone who runs a motocycle..
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14:12<Digitalfox>And contrary to popular believe it's not always the motocycle the guilty one.. But ok it's offtopic so sorry about that.. Even if worst things have been posted in this channel..
14:15<Gonozal_VIII>i guess it was a either a combination of the motorcycle driving too close behind the truck and the truck hitting the brakes for some reason or the truck wanted to overtake another truck and changed lane without looking
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15:00<LordAzamath>LA said: "I know we had a motorcycle/car accident last year where the *car* driver died.. Motorcycle driver escped with few injures"
15:00<LordAzamath>I made a little animation to illustrate it.. http://www.hot.ee/madisaasmae/anim.gif
15:02<@peter1138>how nice :o
15:03<LordAzamath>wait.. I'll add tt-explosion too :D
15:04<Maedhros>sounds tasteful...
15:11<CIA-1>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12036 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix: For station tiles, only get road types for road stops.
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15:13<LordAzamath>now updated :P http://www.hot.ee/madisaasmae/anim.gif
15:14<SmatZ>LordAzamath: nice explosion, but the fact somebody died is not very funny :-x
15:14<LordAzamath>I know.. :(
15:14<SmatZ>I wonder whose fault it was
15:15<LordAzamath>driver's
15:15<SmatZ>of the car?
15:15<LordAzamath>and I took the anim down..
15:15<LordAzamath>yes
15:15<SmatZ>mmm
15:15<SmatZ>you have to verify nobody is overtaking you
15:15<LordAzamath>he started to take left turn...
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15:16<Gonozal_VIII>it's the fault of both
15:16<LordAzamath>but cyclist thought he is letting him pass..
15:16<Gonozal_VIII>can't overtake at a junction
15:17<LordAzamath>but the dirver went to right side so he could turn better
15:17<LordAzamath>and there came a blind spot just between the sight of mirrors and window..
15:17<LordAzamath>so the driver didn't see the cyclist
15:18<LordAzamath>so just very bad coincidence
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15:24<Gonozal_VIII>bjarni!
15:25<@Bjarni>it happened again
15:25<@Bjarni>as expected
15:25<@Bjarni>looks like nothing changed in here
15:25<@Bjarni>:)
15:25<Gonozal_VIII>:-)
15:25<Eddi|zuHause3>but he failed to tab-complete
15:25<Gonozal_VIII>i never do that
15:25<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause3: I said nothing changed
15:26<ln->Bjarni: how was your Nestlé food today?
15:26<@Bjarni>I didn't get any
15:27<Eddi|zuHause3>how can you be sure?
15:27<@Bjarni>come to think about it I only ate homemade food today
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15:27<Gonozal_VIII>you're some treehugger type?
15:28<ln->made out of homegrown [sic] vegetables and livestock?
15:28<@Bjarni>well
15:28<@Bjarni>trees are alive too
15:28<dh2k3>what's the command to check to see if your server is being advertised or not or what command to troubleshoot why?
15:28<@Bjarni>so who are we to judge their feelings?
15:28<@Bjarni>but that's besides the point
15:29<@orudge`>I've had quite a bit of home grown fruit in the past week or so
15:29<@orudge`>mangos, bananas, pineapples, etc
15:29<@orudge`>lovely jubbly
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15:29<Gonozal_VIII>O_o
15:29<@Bjarni><ln-> made out of homegrown [sic] vegetables and livestock? <-- ok not entirely homemade but I'm pretty sure the slaugterhouse isn't owned by Nestlé
15:30<ln->they slaughtered the vegetables? how violent.
15:30<@Bjarni>the same goes for the flour
15:30<Gonozal_VIII>where are you orudge?
15:30<ln->i wouldn't be that sure, Bjarni.
15:30<@Bjarni>well
15:30<@Bjarni>I am
15:30<@Bjarni>because I know it's owned by local people
15:30<@orudge`>GoneWacko: North-east Brazil, visiting my Dad
15:30<dh2k3>I'm trying to set a server up to multiplay and it's not being displayed. What can I do to get it to work? I read the wiki and ports 3978-3979 are open for both UDP/TCP. What to do?
15:31<@Bjarni>it's a small slaughterhouse
15:31<Eddi|zuHause3>everybody knows that scotland is the biggest banana exporter in europe ;)
15:31<Gonozal_VIII>see, tabbing can go wrong :P
15:32<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause3: well... it brings up an interesting question. What is Scotland exporting (besides bananas)?
15:32<@orudge`>Eddi|zuHause3: indeed ;)
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15:32<Gonozal_VIII>men in skirts
15:32<ln->Bjarni: kilts, bagpipes?
15:32<@Bjarni>...
15:32<Prof_Frink>whisky!
15:32<@Bjarni>how can it be that you two instantly thought of men in skirts?
15:33<hylje>golf
15:33<@Bjarni>wait
15:33<@Bjarni>I don't want to know :P
15:33<hylje>its not uncommon
15:33<ln->Bjarni: Transport Tycoon Deluxes, Rollercoaster Tycoons?
15:33<Prof_Frink>Bjarni: Rudgen?
15:34<Eddi|zuHause3>i have no idea what's in scotland
15:34<@Bjarni>it would appear that Scotland is also exporting Owens
15:34<Eddi|zuHause3>it might as well be part of the bielefeld conspiracy
15:35<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause3: then I will tell you what's in Scotland. It's full of old castles in the mountains and men wearing kilts. The strong ones competes at caber tossing while the not so strong watch them and/or play bagpipes
15:35<fjb>Bielefeld doesn't exist.
15:35<@orudge`>Bjarni: Wales exports Owens, not Scotland
15:36<Eddi|zuHause3>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy
15:36<@Bjarni>then Scotland both imports and exports Owens
15:37<@orudge`>Scotland's primary exports include whisky, electronics and financial services.
15:37<@orudge`>The United States, The Netherlands, Germany, France and Spain constitute the country's major export markets
15:37<@orudge`>In 2006, the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of Scotland was just over £86 billion, giving a per capita GDP of £16,900.
15:38<@Bjarni>electronics?
15:38<@orudge`>yes
15:38<@orudge`>Silicon Glen and that
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15:39<Gonozal_VIII>they export it by glueing it to a tree and throwing it over to france :-)
15:40<@Bjarni>that's why caber tossing is still important to Scotland
15:41<LordAzamath>lol @ Bielefeld conspiracy :P
15:41<@orudge`>I toss a caber regularly
15:42<Prof_Frink>http://www.mofaha.com/b3ta/magentatosser.jpg
15:42<@orudge`>Prof_Frink: link to that other tosser image you were going to link to?
15:42<Gonozal_VIII>with electronics to france orudge?
15:42<Eddi|zuHause3>"In 1999, five years after the myth started to spread, the city council released a press statement titled Bielefeld gibt es doch! (Bielefeld does exist!). However, the statement's publication date — April 1, 1999 (April Fools' Day) — was ill-chosen as it gave conspirationalists yet another piece of material to put into their speculations."<-- muahaha :p
15:42<@orudge`>or magenta, rather
15:42<@orudge`>located on your own host
15:43<@orudge`>GoneWacko: mmh?
15:43<@Bjarni><LordAzamath> lol @ Bielefeld conspiracy :P <--- yeah... imagine that it's even allowed to write that stuff
15:43<@orudge`>er, Gonozal_VIII, rather
15:43<@orudge`>(four-letter tab :o)
15:43<@Bjarni>I mean we all know that Bielefeld isn't there but we all act like it is
15:43<LordAzamath>yup..
15:44<Prof_Frink>http://alanblanchflower.co.uk/images/magenta.jpg
15:44<LordAzamath>and someone has even edited wikipedia, so it tells that it exists..
15:44<@Bjarni>you guys are getting childish
15:44<@orudge`>Prof_Frink: :o
15:44<@orudge`>zomg
15:44*orudge` recalls that, vaguely
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15:44<LordAzamath>Prof_Frink: unneeded :O
15:44*Bjarni wonders about adding a new rule
15:44<@Bjarni>only girls are allowed to show anything pink
15:44<Prof_Frink>LordAzamath: you know who that is?
15:45<LordAzamath>nope
15:45<Prof_Frink>hehe
15:45<@Bjarni>hehe
15:46<Prof_Frink>orudge`: g<tab> completes correctly.
15:46<Eddi|zuHause3>there are no girls ;)
15:46<Prof_Frink>you, on the other hand, fail it
15:46<@Bjarni>which means that we will not see anything pink
15:46<Eddi|zuHause3>but what about the company with the big T?
15:47<@Bjarni>???
15:47<@Bjarni>Tissues?
15:47<@Bjarni>Tiger?
15:47<@Bjarni>Tumor removal Inc?
15:47<Gonozal_VIII>so if somebody files a bugreport because he's using dos graphics with win openttd or the other way around, he gets a ban if he can't prove to be a girl?
15:48<@Bjarni>hmm
15:48<@Bjarni>interesting question
15:48<@Bjarni>I think the ban for not figuring out basic stuff from the readme takes priority
15:48<Eddi|zuHause3>what about people who have a pink nick colour?
15:49<Prof_Frink>Eddi|zuHause3: Bjarni's have to ban himself
15:49<@Bjarni>hehe
15:49<@Bjarni>ln- has a pink nick
15:49<+glx><Eddi|zuHause3> but what about the company with the big T? <-- phone related?
15:49<SmatZ>ping!
15:49<Eddi|zuHause3>vaguely :p
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15:49<Prof_Frink>Bjarni: yeah, ln-'s pinker'n you
15:49<@Bjarni>SmatZ: I'm not here
15:49<Eddi|zuHause3>/whois Eddi|zuHause3
15:50<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause3: at home
15:50<@Bjarni>oh wait
15:50<Prof_Frink>Eddi|zuHause3: Do they stay in one place, or can they move around?
15:50<@Bjarni>who not where :P
15:50<Eddi|zuHause3>Prof_Frink has a pink nick ;)
15:52<Gonozal_VIII>btw eddi... why the zuhause part? you always have that, so what's the point?
15:53<@Bjarni>the point is to tell that he is a slacker who is always at home
15:53<Gonozal_VIII>aaaaah :-)
15:53<Eddi|zuHause3>because people wouldn't believe if it said |Bielefeld :p
15:53<@Bjarni>out of a job on purpose
15:54<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause3: you would be banned for spying for Big Brother
15:56<Eddi|zuHause3>well, it's basically 3 reasons
15:56<Eddi|zuHause3>1. just "Eddi" is so short that it's usually taken
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15:56<Eddi|zuHause3>2. i used to connect from other places like "Uni", but since i have DSL that has decreased drastically
15:57<Eddi|zuHause3>3. i am too lazy to change it when i am not at home
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15:57<Gonozal_VIII>why don't you just choose a longer nick?
15:58<Gonozal_VIII>like Hausmeister :-)
15:58<Eddi|zuHause3>because that is stupid :p
15:58<Prof_Frink>or just Eddi```````
15:59<Prof_Frink>Also, [20:58:40] [oftc] -!- There is no such nick eddi
15:59<Eddi|zuHause3>i used to have _Eddi_, but i found that annoying
15:59<Gonozal_VIII>jusr register eddi
15:59<Eddi|zuHause3>not all networks allow that
15:59<Prof_Frink>oftc does
16:00<Gonozal_VIII>most networks do
16:01<Eddi|zuHause3>quakenet doesn't
16:01<Gonozal_VIII>i have a registered nick at quakenet ;-)
16:01<@orudge`>no
16:01<@orudge`>you have a registered account, not nickname ;
16:01<@orudge`>;)
16:02<Gonozal_VIII>well ok...
16:02<Gonozal_VIII>haven't been on quakenet for years
16:03<Eddi|zuHause3>then you probably don't have a registered account anymore :p
16:04<SmatZ>they delete registered accounts pretty soon
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16:08<LA[pink]>hmm.. no kick? ok :)
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16:11<Eddi|zuHause3>it doesn't really work if "pink" is written in blue ;)
16:13<@Belugas>blue?
16:14*Belugas sees it in green
16:14<Gonozal_VIII>yep, blue
16:14<Eddi|zuHause3>i have green also
16:14<Gonozal_VIII>nope, blue
16:14<Eddi|zuHause3>bluegreen
16:15<Prof_Frink>blue.
16:16<LordAzamath>hmm.. I see everything black.. :P
16:17<Gonozal_VIII>yep, black
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16:17<+glx>all black for me (except @red and +blue)
16:17<Prof_Frink>well, the term background is black
16:17<Eddi|zuHause3>i know this scene from somewhere...
16:17<Prof_Frink>glx is green
16:17<Rubidium>they're all the same colour to me!
16:17<Gonozal_VIII>smurf is blue
16:18<LordAzamath>Gonozal_VIII is smurf
16:18<Eddi|zuHause3>Nachts sind alle Katzen blau! ;)
16:18<SmatZ>lol
16:19<LordAzamath>At night, all cats blue!
16:19<Gonozal_VIII>are :P
16:19<LordAzamath>http://www.google.com/translate_t?langpair=de|en
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16:19<Prof_Frink>but their eyes can be white, red, yellow or geen
16:19<@Belugas>I'm color blind!
16:19<@Belugas>no... i'm not...
16:19<Prof_Frink>depending where they are.
16:19<LordAzamath>yes you are
16:20<Eddi|zuHause3>LordAzamath: google can't translate the play on words ;)
16:20<LordAzamath>hehe
16:20<@Bjarni>free online translators tend to find fucked up translations
16:21<Eddi|zuHause3>the original sentence is "Nachts sind alle Katzen grau" (-> grey, because it's all dark)
16:21<+glx>in french they are gray
16:21<Gonozal_VIII>-r
16:21<Eddi|zuHause3>"blau" is a play on words, because it rhymes with "grau" and because it means "really drunk"
16:21<LordAzamath>:P
16:21<Prof_Frink>fench?
16:21<LordAzamath>gay
16:21<Prof_Frink>colon-pee
16:21<@Bjarni>ae?
16:22<@Bjarni>Prof_Frink: o_O
16:22<@Bjarni>wtf are YOU talking about???
16:22<@orudge`>colon-pee, it rhymes somewhat with Bjarni
16:22<Prof_Frink>:p
16:22<Eddi|zuHause3>but it was a colon-PEE
16:22<@Bjarni>must resist urge to...
16:23<@Bjarni>must resist
16:23<Prof_Frink>Eddi|zuHause3: Now that's just wrong
16:23<Eddi|zuHause3>don't resist the urge to pee, it is harmful
16:23<hylje>p
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16:23<Sacro>pwnd
16:23<@orudge`>:o
16:23<@Bjarni>now we should all behave ourselves
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16:24*Prof_Frink beehives Sacro
16:24<@Bjarni>now that's not behaving
16:24<@orudge`>Sacro is Amy Winehouse?
16:24<Prof_Frink>bee tiem!
16:24<@orudge`>GIANT BEE
16:24<Sacro>BLODE!
16:24<Gonozal_VIII>tales of the blode
16:24<GoneWacko>I was highlit in #openttd!
16:24<@Bjarni>Sacro appears to be a blonde
16:24<GoneWacko>:o
16:24<@orudge`>GoneWacko: indeed
16:24<@Bjarni>the classic kind with the classic spelling technique
16:24<GoneWacko>damn orudge and his tab completion
16:24<@orudge`>unintentionally, though
16:24<Prof_Frink>Giant be... you're loverly
16:25<@orudge`>hmm, somebody else here knows of Blode
16:25<@orudge`>an enlightened one
16:25<@Bjarni>what is Blode?
16:25<@orudge`>Blode is
16:25<@orudge`>www.rathergood.co
16:25<Prof_Frink>Blode is Blode.
16:25<@orudge`>m
16:25<Gonozal_VIII>we like the moon!
16:25<Eddi|zuHause3>do they still exist?
16:25<@Bjarni>I thought it was Sacro trying to claim to be blond
16:25<Prof_Frink>orudge`: And you know what comes after the bee, don't you
16:25<Eddi|zuHause3>i've seen those years ago
16:25<@orudge`>Eddi|zuHause3: likewise
16:26<shadow>who has new maps, smth like africa (2048/2048) ??
16:26<Gonozal_VIII>yes, i posted the link here^^
16:26*orudge` likes the moon
16:26<Prof_Frink>but, not as much as a spoon
16:26<@orudge`>cause that's more use for eating soup
16:26<Prof_Frink>The moon is made of meat my friend, the moon is made of meat.
16:27<Gonozal_VIII>moon meat mines^^
16:27<@orudge`>The UBER-PEA
16:27<Gonozal_VIII>likes to eat you and me
16:27<Prof_Frink>orudge`: XYLOPHONE
16:27<Prof_Frink>orudge`: PATRICK
16:27<@orudge`>TTDALTER PLUG-IN
16:27<@orudge`>mango mango mango mango mango mangoooooooooooo!
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16:30<Prof_Frink>yays, Last scrobbled bee and patrick
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16:39<Gonozal_VIII>everybody watching rathergood now?^^
16:40<Eddi|zuHause3>;)
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16:49<Eddi|zuHause3>i must admit, these blodes keep getting sillier each time ;)
16:49<Gonozal_VIII>hehe
16:49<Gonozal_VIII>but you keep watching :P
16:49<Eddi|zuHause3>i think they were at 4 when i last watched them
16:58<Eddi|zuHause3>ahh... the memories ;)
16:59<Gonozal_VIII>memories... don't have many of those
16:59<Eddi|zuHause3>i have 1GB of those ;)
17:01<@Bjarni>only 1 GB?
17:01<@Bjarni>my HD is bigger than that
17:02<CIA-1>OpenTTD: glx * r12037 /trunk/src/ (11 files): -Codechange: replace OnNewDay_(Aircraft|RoadVeh|Ship|Train) with an OnNewDay method in the Vehicle class
17:14<CIA-1>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12038 /trunk/src/unmovable_cmd.cpp: -Fix: Change ownership of or remove statues when merging/bankrupting companies.
17:16<LordAzamath>good night
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17:24<Eddi|zuHause3>hm, looking at old versions of the current savegame is weird...
17:25<Eddi|zuHause3>when looing at the untouched landscape i constantly hear me saying "i couldn't possibly have terraformed that much"
17:25<@peter1138>hehe
17:25<@peter1138>_patches.disallow_terraforming
17:26<Gonozal_VIII>oh, good idea
17:26<Prof_Frink>peter1138: No, be evil
17:26<Prof_Frink>_patches.allow_terraforming
17:26<@peter1138>not really, they can default to on, heh
17:28<Gonozal_VIII>_patches.disallow_not_being_able_to_allow_no_terraforming
17:28<Sacro>><
17:28<fjb>Then I want stations on bridges.
17:29<Sacro>_patches.disable_Gonozal_VIII_from_being_stupid
17:29<Prof_Frink>_patches.the_moon_on_a_stick
17:29<Eddi|zuHause3>well, i could live with bendy stations most of the time
17:30<Gonozal_VIII>you know any real bendy stations?
17:30<GoneWacko>yes
17:30<Eddi|zuHause3>but there is no way you can find enough space for a 7x4 station in TGP landscape
17:30<GoneWacko>maybe not 90° bendy, but bendy, sure.
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17:31<Gonozal_VIII>there are no smooth curves
17:31<+glx><Eddi|zuHause3> but there is no way you can find enough space for a 7x4 station in TGP landscape <-- doable with multilevel
17:31<Gonozal_VIII>right
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17:31<Eddi|zuHause3>right, but we don't have those either ;)
17:32<Gonozal_VIII>sure have
17:32<Eddi|zuHause3>not on the same platform ;)
17:32<Eddi|zuHause3>the 7 length are a bigger problem than the 4 width
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17:33<Gonozal_VIII>just disable the very long trains :-)
17:34<Eddi|zuHause3>there's no fun in that
17:35<Eddi|zuHause3>oh, and it's hard to navigate the map without the tracks to follow ;)
17:37<Gonozal_VIII>and all those industries still in place...
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17:54<fjb>How high can a building be in TTD?
17:55<Gonozal_VIII>doesn't matter afaik
17:55<ln->drugs again?
17:55<fjb>No drugs, just houses.
17:55<fjb>No flying houses.
17:56<fjb>Why do the highest building of TTRS have that flickering glitches?
17:56<Gonozal_VIII>not marked dirty
17:56<Gonozal_VIII>:-)
17:57<@peter1138>cos they're too tall, heh
17:57<Eddi|zuHause3>256 pixels i believe
17:57<Gonozal_VIII>i guess you would have to mark high stuff dirty every tick
17:58<Gonozal_VIII>but i don't really know much about the code yet...
17:58<fjb>Ok, I used the wrong word. How tall can a building be without causing glitches?
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19:04<ln->there must be asciified characters in this, right?
19:04<ln->"Nous avons le plaisir de vous informer que nous avons expedie votre
19:04<ln->procede aujourd'hui a l'expedition de vos
19:04<ln->articles, ce qui complete le traitement de votre commande. "
19:05<Gonozal_VIII>that's just random letters
19:05<+glx>missing accents yes
19:05<ln->isn't that outrageous?
19:06<ln->"Salutations de la part d'Amazon.ca !"
19:06<+glx>.ca ;)
19:06<ln->yes, .ca
19:06<ln->flappy heads, beady eyes, i know
19:06<+glx>not real french
19:07<+glx>anyway the message seems incomplete
19:07<ln->well that wasn't the whole thing, and the salutations was actually in the begin.
19:08<ln->begin of the french part anyway.
19:09<+glx>IIRC the law force them to use english and french in there messages
19:09<ln->is french french without accents?
19:10<+glx>it's understandable if you know french, but it's not french
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19:10<+glx>Belugas often skip accents (he doesn't have them on the keyboard)
19:11<+glx>but amazon should do it better (they have enough money for that ;) )
19:12<+glx>and I guess it's an autogenerated message
19:12<ln->it is.
19:12<Eddi|zuHause3>just for the records, where should the accents belong?
19:12<ln->hmm, now that i looked at an old confirmation email from amazon.de, they also seem to be writing german without äö.
19:12<Gonozal_VIII>everywhere
19:13<Gonozal_VIII>french has an accent on every letter
19:13<Gonozal_VIII>and like 20 different ones
19:13<Eddi|zuHause3>Gonozal_VIII: i do know enough french to understand roughly the sense of that sentence ;)
19:13<+glx> "Nous avons le plaisir de vous informer que nous avons expedié votre
19:13<+glx>procède aujourd'hui a l'expédition de vos
19:13<+glx>articles, ce qui complète le traitement de votre commande. "
19:14<ln->i wonder if they write japanese and chinese in pure ASCII?
19:14<ln->amazon, that is
19:14<+glx>romaji maybe :)
19:14<Gonozal_VIII>every sign 5 lines high in ascii art^^
19:15<Eddi|zuHause3>i have not used amazon... but i'm quite sure i'd have noticed them lacking äöü
19:15<Gonozal_VIII>i have some amazon newsletters in my inbox...
19:15<ln->Sie koennen bei uns gekaufte Artikel innerhalb von 30 Tagen zurueckgeben.
19:15<ln->Ausgenommen sind lediglich Artikel aus unserem Elektronik-und-Foto-Shop,
19:15<ln->elektrische Kuechen-, Haushalts- und Gartengeraete, elektrisches Werkzeug
19:15<ln->sowie Games-Hardware aus dem Bereich PC- und Videospiele, fuer die eine
19:15<ln->14-taegige Rueckgabefrist ab Erhalt der Ware gilt.
19:16<ln->Eddi|zuHause3: the emails, not the website.
19:16<+glx>Gonozal_VIII: there's only 4 accents in french, and only 4 letters can have accent
19:16<Eddi|zuHause3>ah, i don't think i've got amazon emails...
19:16<Gonozal_VIII>Klicken Sie hier, um zukünftig keine Nachrichten dieser Art mehr von uns zu erhalten.
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19:16<Gonozal_VIII>äöü all over the place
19:17<+glx>àéêëèïîù
19:18<Gonozal_VIII>can't read any of that
19:18<+glx>à é ê ë è ï î ù
19:18<+glx>cleaner with spaces
19:18<Gonozal_VIII>not really^^
19:18<Eddi|zuHause3>ln-: but using ae oe, and ue instead of ä, ö and ü is allowed in contexts, where äöü is not available (expecially in computing)
19:18<Gonozal_VIII>and sz for ß
19:19<Gonozal_VIII>even in crosswords where you could easily write the umlauts
19:19<+glx>sz can replace all squares?
19:19<Eddi|zuHause3>it might be bad style, but it's not technically wrong
19:19<ln->Eddi|zuHause3: yes, but but... a modern-day email shouldn't be a context where äöü are not available.
19:19<Gonozal_VIII>yep, but only black squares
19:20<Wolf01>'night
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19:20<Eddi|zuHause3>ln-: they might do this for international recipients to avoid encoding issues or something...
19:20<Eddi|zuHause3>or the writer had the wrong keyboard
19:21<+glx>it's better to remove accents than typing 'e or e'
19:21<Eddi|zuHause3>you should probably ask them ;)
19:21<Gonozal_VIII>some just write uoa instead... that sucks
19:22<Eddi|zuHause3>yeah, using u instead of ü often changes meaning
19:22<Gonozal_VIII>like that "uber" stuff
19:23<+glx>luckily accents don't change meaning in french (just pronouciation and some grammar things)
19:23<Eddi|zuHause3>"ou" and "où"?
19:23<Gonozal_VIII>they're not just accents in german, they're completely different letters
19:24<ln->68.5% of letters in french don't have a meaning
19:24<Eddi|zuHause3>that is indeed true ;)
19:24<+glx><Eddi|zuHause3> "ou" and "où"? <-- usually the context helps to understand
19:24<Eddi|zuHause3>yeah, i guess... you'd have to decide in spoken words also...
19:24<+glx>and most "e" are mute
19:25<Gonozal_VIII>why bother using them then?^^
19:25<Eddi|zuHause3>as well as "s" and "t" ;)
19:25<+glx>yeah :p
19:25<Eddi|zuHause3>"août" is the worst word i know ;)
19:26<+glx>and nobody pronounce it the same way
19:26<Eddi|zuHause3>the french are the only ones that can reduce "august" to one spoken vowel ;)
19:26<Gonozal_VIII>huh?
19:26<ln->and that vowel must be /ø/ :)
19:27<Eddi|zuHause3>^ usually means that language-historically an "s" disappeared after the letter
19:27<Eddi|zuHause3>ln-: i learned /u/
19:27<+glx>yes like "forêt" comes from "forest"
19:27<ln->Eddi|zuHause3: m'kay, i didn't get as far as month names with my french studies
19:28<ln->l'Hospital
19:28<+glx>that one too
19:28<Eddi|zuHause3>it also explains the relation between french "fête" and german "fest"
19:28<Gonozal_VIII>hôpital?
19:28<ln->l'Hospital is the way it is written in Finland, or at least in our university.
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19:29<Eddi|zuHause3>Gonozal_VIII: the candidate gets 100 points ;)
19:29<+glx>I can't read what Gonozal_VIII writes
19:29<Eddi|zuHause3>i learned "l'Hôpital" (if you mean the mathmatician)
19:29<Gonozal_VIII>i can't read what you write either :-)
19:29<Eddi|zuHause3>but i have seen l'Hospital very often
19:30<ln->yeah i do mean, and especially the rule named after mathemagician
19:30<Eddi|zuHause3>it's very interesting that both spellings seem to be around
19:30<+glx>anyway french is not very hard if you know latin or anciant greek
19:31<Eddi|zuHause3>you don't have that very often
19:31<Eddi|zuHause3>like you never see anyone write "Göthe", it's always "Goethe"
19:31<Gonozal_VIII>latin and ancient greek are both dead...
19:31<Gonozal_VIII>so french will be next :-)
19:31<+glx>hospital is not used
19:32<Eddi|zuHause3>glx: i mean for the person (or rule) name
19:32<ln->some sources claim "l'Hospital" would have written his name like that, while others claim the french spelling was already "l'Hôpital" at the time he lived
19:32<Eddi|zuHause3>i guess we'll never find out for sure ;)
19:33<Eddi|zuHause3>and history has proven often enough, if two standards are well established, the "big" standard will say "both ways are allowed"
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19:34<Eddi|zuHause3>for example "der Virus" vs. "das Virus"
19:34<+glx>male/female ?
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19:34<Eddi|zuHause3>male/neutral
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19:34<Gonozal_VIII><-- male
19:35<+glx>we have words with different gender for plural and singular
19:35<ln->but our words don't have genders at all!
19:36<+glx>"un orgue" "des grandes orgues"
19:36<Gonozal_VIII>die butter :-)
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19:37<Eddi|zuHause3>i recently had a discussion with my mom (french/spanish teacher), about how it should be language-historically explained that while latin has neutral gender, all romanic languages have lost it
19:38<Eddi|zuHause3>Gonozal_VIII: what is the plural of "butter"?
19:38<Gonozal_VIII>there is no singular of butter
19:38<+glx>it may have one but it's never used
19:38<Gonozal_VIII>like sheep of fish :-)
19:39<Eddi|zuHause3>i would disagree
19:39<Gonozal_VIII>then what? butters? southpark...
19:39<+glx>leopold stoch
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19:40<+glx>or is it scotch?
19:40*glx opens wikipedia
19:40<Eddi|zuHause3>you can find out if it's singular or plural by forming the 3rd case
19:40<+glx>ha it's stotch
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19:41<Gonozal_VIII>well... that's die butter could be singular or plural
19:41<+glx>du beurre c'est du beurre, et c'est tout
19:41<Gonozal_VIII>oh^^ mixed up 3. and 4. again
19:41<Eddi|zuHause3>3rd case female is "der", 3rd case plural is "den"
19:42<Eddi|zuHause3>and you say "mit der butter", not "mit den butter[n?]"
19:42<Gonozal_VIII>then there is singular but no plural...
19:43<Eddi|zuHause3>see ;)
19:43<Gonozal_VIII>doesn't matter, same thing^^
19:43<Gonozal_VIII>same with water
19:43<Gonozal_VIII>or milk...
19:43<Eddi|zuHause3>this no singular thing is an english weirdness... i can't think of an example in german
19:44<Gonozal_VIII>or a lot of stuff that can't be counted
19:44<Eddi|zuHause3>all uncountable things are singular
19:44<+glx>they can't count aircraft in english ;)
19:44<Gonozal_VIII>but they can count planes and helicopters ;-)
19:44<Gonozal_VIII>even airships
19:45<Gonozal_VIII>maybe it's about abstract classes :-)
19:45<Eddi|zuHause3>they apparently can't count sheep either ;)
19:45<Gonozal_VIII>hehehe
19:45<+glx>only to sleep ;)
19:45<Eddi|zuHause3>they probably never have single ones anywhere ;)
19:46*glx remembers the mister been episode when he count sheeps
19:46<Gonozal_VIII>count the legs and divide by the statistically known average leg count :-)
19:48<Gonozal_VIII>my guess would be somewhere around 3.9something :-)
19:48<+glx>no it's a picture with sheep on it, he starts counting them one by one (but fails), finally he count rows and colums, use a calculator to multiply them, and fall asleep
19:48<Gonozal_VIII>ah i remember that episode
19:49<Eddi|zuHause3>i don't
19:49<Eddi|zuHause3>i thought i've seen them all
19:49<Eddi|zuHause3>it's longer ago than the blode ;)
19:50<fjb>I don't want to interrupt your interesting talk, but how does the game determine how tall the bounding box of a building has to be?
19:50<Eddi|zuHause3>"In Bayern kennen wir Brot, Butter, Milch und Käse (nur im Singular). Im Plural heißt das dann z.B. zwei Laib Brot, drei Stück Butter, vier Glas Milch. Alles andere ist Käse."
19:50<Eddi|zuHause3>[from leo]
19:51<+glx>fjb: it usually uses the sprite size
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19:51<+glx>unless bounding box is specified by the grf
19:51<fjb>glx: Thank you. And how tall is the maximum for a building?
19:52<+glx>dunno
19:52<fjb>Hm, which action sets the bounding box? maybe the limit is documented there.
19:52<ln->hmm, interesting to watch a movie that is shot in this town, in locations i regularly walk by.
19:52<Digitalfox>Well i'm using Pikka industries and i just think i found a limitation, but i don't know if is from the grf or from open... I'm trying to build a Quarry, and i can build from West and South, but not from North or East.. Open or grf limitadion?
19:54<Gonozal_VIII>action 2 for sprite layout
19:54<Eddi|zuHause3>ln-: i've had this happen, too
19:54<fjb>Gonozal_VIII: Thank you.
19:54<Eddi|zuHause3>occasionally "tatort" episodes are shot here
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19:54<Gonozal_VIII>feature 2 houses :-)
19:55<Gonozal_VIII>7
19:55<Eddi|zuHause3>and when they shoot car chasings, they constantly switch places, you know all the roads, but you know that you could never use them in that order ;)
19:55<Gonozal_VIII>not 2^^
19:55<+glx>Digitalfox: probably grf prevents it
19:55<Eddi|zuHause3>also, i've seen a movie that constantly jumped between cities
19:55<ln->Eddi|zuHause3: but interestingly they suddenly teleport to places that i suspect are not here at all. :)
19:57<+glx>they shot an episode of a new serie near my street
19:57<Eddi|zuHause3>and one movie that played in the other city, and one of the viewers said afterwards: "it's funny how they always came to that bridge from the wrong side" :)
19:58<_Ben_>Does anybody know if there is a correct term or name for the doorways that are at the end of carriages on a train? (Not specifically the doorway, but the connecting part in general)
19:58<Eddi|zuHause3>like they went from locations that you could clearly identify as A and B, but when they went over the bridge, they went in the direction B->A
19:59<Eddi|zuHause3>_Ben_: i'm afraid you should ask a native speaker
19:59<_Ben_>any name that will return google image results is fine by me
20:02*fjb has been in three movies so far.
20:02<Sacro>_Ben_: yes there is
20:03<Gonozal_VIII>wagenverbindung gives some results
20:03<Eddi|zuHause3>i can't find anything useful
20:03<fjb>The grf specs say the hight of a building is a Byte value. So 255 should be the maximum.
20:04<Gonozal_VIII>what do you want with buildings higher than 255 anyways?
20:04<fjb>I don't really want buildings that high. :-)
20:04<Eddi|zuHause3>i said that like 3 hours ago
20:05<_Ben_>thanks for looking. Sacro, would you care to share the answer then, or dont' you know it?
20:05<Gonozal_VIII>tile height are 8 pixels, that represents 50m, 255 pixel would be 1593,75m :-)
20:05<Sacro>_Ben_: just asking people :
20:05<Sacro>:p
20:05<fjb>Eddi|zuHause3: You said that you thought it might be 255.
20:05<Eddi|zuHause3>Gonozal_VIII: that scale is not applicable
20:05<_Ben_>Sacro: ah ok, cheers
20:05<Gonozal_VIII>i know that eddi ;-)
20:06<Gonozal_VIII>but 255 pixel is huge
20:06<+glx>no scale is applicable
20:06<fjb>Gonozal_VIII: That means most buildings are 2 pixels tall.
20:06<Eddi|zuHause3>fjb: you won't ever find anything more specific than that from me ;)
20:06*fjb will take Eddi|zuHause3 for reference from now on.
20:08<fjb>glx: I want at least some kind of scale for the buildings I'm drawing now. So one scale in the resulting grf (if it ever reaches that state).
20:08<Sacro>_Ben_: can't actually find anythin
20:08<+glx>fjb: the right "scale" is when it doesn't look ugly in game
20:09<_Ben_>Sacro: ok, don't worry, thanks for looking. I have been searching through some train spotter site for a while, but there seems to be 1 default shooting angle wich is infront looking diagonal back at the train. They never seem to take photos of much else
20:10<fjb>glx: I know, but two buildings with too different scales next to each other don't look good.
20:10<_Ben_>won't somebody think of the modeellers?!
20:10<fjb>_Ben_: How about passage?
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20:10<_Ben_>fjb: ah, that comes up with this http://www.tamegoeswild.com/photos/coppermine/albums/200708_mongolia/only2carriages.jpg < that is a nice refernec image. That will do. Thanks
20:11<Gonozal_VIII>ben i already told you that "wagenverbindung" is good for some pictures :P
20:11<Eddi|zuHause3>these look russian
20:11<fjb>Übergang
20:11<_Ben_>Gonozai_VIII: yeah I did listen, I checked but I didn't find anything like that
20:11<Gonozal_VIII>http://images.google.at/images?hl=de&q=wagenverbindung&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
20:11<Gonozal_VIII>a lot
20:11<fjb>Übergang is the german word for passage. Maybe that helps.
20:12<ln->our university in the movie \o/
20:12<fjb>_Ben_: You could also look at the websites of model railway manufactures.
20:12<Eddi|zuHause3>Gonozal_VIII: i don't see anything useful there
20:13<Gonozal_VIII>you get different results?
20:13<_Ben_>Hmm, that image I linked to isn't an english train, but it is suitable as a reference for the general idea of how they look. (I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to such things), so I'll use that
20:13<Eddi|zuHause3>Gonozal_VIII: you get a shot of the back of a standard wagon?
20:14<fjb>_Ben_: The look depends on when the carriage was build.
20:14<Gonozal_VIII>lots of those yellow ones...
20:14<_Ben_>yeah, I heard that old carraiages lacked the rubbe corralated bit?
20:14<fjb>But maybe the differences are not that great at TTD scale...
20:15<_Ben_>they shouldn't be noticeable. That image will do, I just needed an idea of the general composition
20:15<fjb>The rubber thing had different shapes in the past,.
20:15<_Ben_>ah, but it was still there?, ideally sprites should be suitable for as wider time scale as possible
20:17<Eddi|zuHause3>http://www.spur-1-freunde.de/Bilder/PERSONENWAGEN/langenschwUebergang.jpg
20:17<Gonozal_VIII>http://www.hammerschmid.de/n-kupplungmagnetfront.jpg
20:17<fjb>No, in the beginning of the railway it was not there.
20:17<Gonozal_VIII>http://www.medienwerkstatt-online.de/lws_wissen/bilder/2378-1.jpg
20:17<Eddi|zuHause3>wagons with "platform" connection
20:17<fjb>Don't know when it was invented.
20:18<_Ben_>hmm interesting, they look pretty nice, although I don't think there is room for extras like a platform
20:18<fjb>There were carriages with paltforms at the end and without. Later they invented that rubber thing.
20:18<_Ben_>ah, cool. "Bild 4" is handy
20:19<Gonozal_VIII>http://www.bahnmuseum.at/uebersicht1.htm
20:19<Gonozal_VIII>some more here
20:19<Eddi|zuHause3>yeah, those are typical pre-war connections for long distance carriages
20:19<Eddi|zuHause3>platforms are for short distance carriages
20:20<Eddi|zuHause3>the early DBSet wagons try to show that
20:20<fjb>This don't have that rubber thing and no platform: http://www.maerklin.de/de/produkte/detailsh0.html?art_nr=42045
20:21<_Ben_>the hornby website has been really good for some trains I have noticed, although only from a side on perspecitve.
20:21<ln->hmm, a very familiar lecture hall in the movie \o/
20:21<Eddi|zuHause3>fjb: these don't have a connection at all
20:21*Sacro has just found the THX logo on his desktop
20:22<Gonozal_VIII>now i read "hmm, a very familliar don't have a connection at all" and wondered wtf that was supposed to mean
20:22<Gonozal_VIII>line changed while i was reading^^
20:22<Eddi|zuHause3>that probably won't help much ;)
20:23<Eddi|zuHause3>Gonozal_VIII: btw. "Bild 3" is a "Donnerbüchse"
20:23<Gonozal_VIII>what bild 3 where?^^
20:24<fjb>Hm, the rubber things were already invented in 1920.
20:24<Eddi|zuHause3>from the pictures you posted
20:24<Eddi|zuHause3>the one that says "Bild 3"
20:24<Gonozal_VIII>they had rubber in 1920?
20:24<fjb>Maybe it wasn't made from rubber yet. But it was already black. :-)
20:24<Eddi|zuHause3>Gonozal_VIII: sure, one of the main achievements pre-war was the production of synthetical rubber
20:25<Eddi|zuHause3>they built a facility called "Buna" for that purpose
20:26<Gonozal_VIII>they use leather in some modern trams
20:26<Eddi|zuHause3>it's practically around the corner from here ;)
20:26<Eddi|zuHause3>see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buna meaning 1 and 2
20:27<Gonozal_VIII>http://www.fh-ooe.at/typo3temp/pics/a373cc554c.jpg <-- those
20:27<Eddi|zuHause3>not much detail there ;)
20:28<Gonozal_VIII>http://www.multiart.at/kunden/ooha/2007/taa/juli/fm4b.jpg
20:28<Gonozal_VIII>more detail^^
20:28<Gonozal_VIII>leather with metal protection over the edges
20:29<Eddi|zuHause3>lots of sections ;)
20:29<Gonozal_VIII>yes, they have 4 lont and 3 short sections if i remember right
20:29<Gonozal_VIII>long
20:31<Gonozal_VIII>no... 2 short, 3 long and 2 middle long at the front and end :-)
20:31<Gonozal_VIII>http://www.multiart.at/kunden/ooha/2007/taa/juli/fm4.jpg
20:31<Eddi|zuHause3>those are the newest we have http://www.nestra.de/umbauA01.jpg
20:32<Gonozal_VIII>the one on the last picture is one of those i go to university with
20:33<Gonozal_VIII>i think that even is the university station
20:35<Gonozal_VIII>something like 150 people fit in there
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20:36<Eddi|zuHause2>you don't know your stations?
20:36<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.strassenbahn-halle.de/Fahrzeuge/MGT6D/Bilder/500.jpg <- these are also very common here
20:36<Gonozal_VIII>there's not much to see on that picture
20:36<fjb>The first four axle carriages with some kind of rubber thing (not yet made of rubber) were build in 1891.
20:37<fjb>In germany. Maybe earlier in another country.
20:38<Eddi|zuHause2>afaik the connection-wagons were developed in germany, and then that design spread through europe
20:38<_Ben_>I think it isn't at all clear at the zoom level that the tunnel section is surrounded by rubber, therefore in an age when it would be unrealistic to have rubber it won't look that out of place as it will just look like an interconnecting box of some sort
20:38<Gonozal_VIII>but did you notice, that they put commercial stickers all over our trams?
20:38<fjb>First were bought by the Prussian railway in 1891.
20:38<Gonozal_VIII>even over the windows...
20:39<Eddi|zuHause2>we have that occasionally
20:39<Eddi|zuHause2>some trams are "fully custom coloured"
20:39<Gonozal_VIII>all of them are here
20:40<fjb>_Ben_: Yes, it was some kind of fabric back then. But that is of no importance at TTD scale.
20:40<_Ben_>Is England rather getting behind? I've never seen any of these new trams and bus's that your linking to.
20:40<_Ben_>fjb: I'm actually refering to the fullzoom scale (+2 (geektoo build) but it's still to minor of a detail, so the point stands still
20:40<Gonozal_VIII>the stickers on the winows have lots of little holes in it, so you can still look through..
20:41<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.strassenbahn-halle.de/Fahrzeuge/MGT6D/Bilder/609.jpg <- like this one
20:41<fjb>England is getting behind in many aspects of railway. They were using steam engines much longer than germany did.
20:41<Eddi|zuHause2>they were also using electrics muuuuch later than germany did
20:41<Eddi|zuHause2>germany introduced electrics in 1912
20:41<Gonozal_VIII>and they're still using diesels
20:42<Eddi|zuHause2>look when the first electrics appear in TTD
20:42<_Ben_>do other devolped countries not use deisels?
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20:42<Gonozal_VIII>we only have some for shunting and maintenance
20:43<Eddi|zuHause2>lot's of minor lines use diesel railcars
20:43<ln->Bjarni: are you still breathing? you've been silent suspiciously long.
20:43<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.strassenbahn-halle.de/Fahrzeuge/Bilder/T4D.jpg <- this is what trams looked like before 1990
20:43<fjb>_Ben_: It looked like this in the early days: http://www.maerklin.de/de/produkte/detailsh0.html?art_nr=41362
20:43<_Ben_>strange. I havn't really visited many european countries, but it always appears like england has a greater contrast than most countries, in the sence that it has some advnace thigns and modern stuff, but at the same time some things are almost 3rd word, espeially when it comes to public services and conveniences
20:43<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.strassenbahn-halle.de/Fahrzeuge/Bilder/T4D-C.jpg <- they were afterwards renewed to these
20:43<+glx>diesel is still used on unelectrified tracks here
20:44<Eddi|zuHause2>most main lines use electric
20:44<Eddi|zuHause2>but some are not electrified yet
20:44<Gonozal_VIII>i don't know of any unelectrified tracks here
20:44<_Ben_>fjb: ah, good. It shouldn't look to inapropriate then
20:45<Eddi|zuHause2>the most prominent one beeing the Dresden-Nürnberg line between Reichenbach and Hof
20:45<Gonozal_VIII>maybe some private lines
20:45<Eddi|zuHause2>they developed the ICE TD for that line
20:45<Eddi|zuHause2>but it was a major failure
20:45<Eddi|zuHause2>now they decided to electrify it
20:45<+glx>some regional lines use modern DMUs
20:46<Eddi|zuHause2>minor lines are rarely electrified here
20:46<Eddi|zuHause2>and it wouldn't be economically feasible to electrify them either
20:47<Gonozal_VIII>i'm on a minor line here and it's been electrified longer than i'm alive
20:47<Eddi|zuHause2>but you don't have lines that got electrified 3 times ;)
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20:47<Gonozal_VIII>3 times?
20:48<Eddi|zuHause2>first electrification 1911-1914
20:48<Eddi|zuHause2>second electrification in the 1920's
20:48<Gonozal_VIII>why didn't they keep it? :S
20:48<Eddi|zuHause2>third electrification in the 1970's
20:48<Eddi|zuHause2>1914: copper was used for war efforts
20:48<Gonozal_VIII>ah
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20:49<Eddi|zuHause2>1947: soviet military administration decided to burn down all electrification
20:49<Eddi|zuHause2>and take the wires as reparation
20:49<Gonozal_VIII>burn?
20:49<Gonozal_VIII>not very efficient to burn it...
20:49<Eddi|zuHause2>the pylons ;)
20:51<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.strassenbahn-halle.de/Fahrzeuge/Bilder/HSF.jpg <- this is what historic trams look like around here
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20:52<Eddi|zuHause2>actually that makes you wonder, when they decided to remove all railway catenary, why did they not remove the tram catenary?
20:52<Gonozal_VIII>i tried to find a picture of the old ones... some of them are still in use here
20:53<Gonozal_VIII>http://www.thickeye.com/blog/archives/linz_tram1.jpg <-- that's one of them... i think^^
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20:54<Eddi|zuHause2>trams around here used to be separate wagons until 1990
20:55<Eddi|zuHause2>these "articulated" trams were bought completely new afterwards
20:55<_Ben_>Right, I'm off, cheers for the help guys. Night
20:55<Gonozal_VIII>night
20:55<Eddi|zuHause2>in between we got cheap used western trams while our own rolling stock was "in upgrading"
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20:56<Gonozal_VIII>what exactly does in upgrading mean?
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20:57<Gonozal_VIII>from one day to another they stopped using the old ones but new ones came in slowlyß
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20:59<Eddi|zuHause2>meaning they took the czech "Tatra" models and completely renewed them, new colour, new interior, new electric modules
21:00<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.strassenbahn-halle.de/Fahrzeuge/Bilder/T4D.jpg <- before
21:00<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.strassenbahn-halle.de/Fahrzeuge/Bilder/T4D-C.jpg <- after
21:03<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.bahnbilder.de/name/einzelbild/number/16676/kategorie/Deutschland~Straßenbahn~Halle.html <- they are usually used in triples, two driven and one undriven wagon
21:04<Gonozal_VIII>besen...
21:04<Eddi|zuHause2>less often in double traction without undriven trailer
21:04<Eddi|zuHause2>Beesen
21:04<Eddi|zuHause2>3 e
21:04<Gonozal_VIII>besen makes more sense
21:05<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.bahnbilder.de/name/einzelbild/number/49942/kategorie/Deutschland~Straßenbahn~Halle.html <- how's that then?
21:05<CIA-1>OpenTTD: richk * r12039 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/ (airport_gui.cpp newgrf_fsmports.cpp newgrf_fsmports.h):
21:05<CIA-1>OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Corrected GUI to revised format.
21:05<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Added enums for widgets.
21:05<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Now use ShowDropDownList and corrected BuildFSMportsClassDropdown to return a DropDownList rather than String*.
21:05<Gonozal_VIII>the trams i know here can't be attached to others or seperated...
21:05<Eddi|zuHause2>(that's one of the longest tram lines in the world)
21:07<ln->what do you think about this bus thing at Hansestadt Reval: http://www.mystinenportaali.com/bussi/kuvat/isot/muut/tallinna_0403/peravaunu.jpg
21:07<Gonozal_VIII>quite simmilar to our old ones
21:07<ln->the one on the right
21:07<ln->the 67
21:07<Gonozal_VIII>is that a trailer?
21:07<ln->yep
21:07<Gonozal_VIII>strange^^
21:07<Eddi|zuHause2>looks weird
21:08<Gonozal_VIII>never seen anything like that before
21:08<Sacro>that's what she said
21:08<Eddi|zuHause2>busses here used trailers until the '70s
21:08<Gonozal_VIII>your mum
21:08<Sacro>your face
21:08<Eddi|zuHause2>they could be disconnected for hilly routes
21:09<ln->i think over here transporting people in any kind of trailer is forbidden.
21:09<Gonozal_VIII>i know some trailers for ski stuff... but only one axle and smaller and no passengers
21:09<Eddi|zuHause2>but for city routes, they usually used "articulated" busses instead
21:10<Eddi|zuHause2>we have a restored bus from that time around, but i can't find pictures
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21:10<Eddi|zuHause2>oh, right here: http://www.eisenbahn.tu-cottbus.de/publik/strab-cb-100-jahre/cbv-100-korso-11.jpg
21:11<Gonozal_VIII>http://www.schmid-nauders.com/taxi/images/bus_anhaenger.jpg
21:11<Gonozal_VIII>ok 2 axle... but stuff like that is quite common here
21:11<Gonozal_VIII>but i've never seen a passenger trailer
21:11<Eddi|zuHause2>"Historischer Omnibus IFA H6B/L mit Anhänger W 701, beide Baujahr 1956, (HAVAG Halle)"
21:12<ln->charming
21:12<Gonozal_VIII>http://www.ooevv.at/typo3temp/pics/672cf84258.jpg <-- oh... that one's austrian and looks modern too...
21:13<Eddi|zuHause2>i have seen them using it on several publicity actions of the tram company now
21:13<Gonozal_VIII>http://www.ooevv.at/index.php?id=638
21:13<Gonozal_VIII>they're testing that
21:14<Eddi|zuHause2>like they opened a new line connecting two turning points, and 125 years tram
21:14<Eddi|zuHause2>and the remodeled Franckeplatz
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21:14<Eddi|zuHause2>and the remodeled Riebeckplatz (near Main Station)
21:14<ln->they're doing it wrong. tramlines are supposed to be replaced by buses after decades of popularity.
21:15<Eddi|zuHause2>and the new connection between both places
21:15<Gonozal_VIII>tramlines replaced by busses? why would you do that?
21:15<Gonozal_VIII>trams are way better
21:15<Eddi|zuHause2>they replaced several bus lines with a tram line here
21:16<Eddi|zuHause2>the busses always took every possible corner in the roads
21:16<ln->i'm just a bit annoyed that all tram traffic ended in 1972 in Turku.
21:16<Eddi|zuHause2>the trams just go straight ahead
21:16<Eddi|zuHause2>yeah, they did not make that mistake in the eastern block ;)
21:16<Gonozal_VIII>oh... it always sucks when they close down lines
21:16<Eddi|zuHause2>they often expanded tram networks, when western countries made a full bet on busses
21:17<Eddi|zuHause2>and then got hit by the fully blown oil crisis
21:17<Gonozal_VIII>should be strictly forbidden to close down any rail/tram lines ever
21:17<Eddi|zuHause2>i don't remember them shutting down a line here in the past 20 years
21:17<ln->Eddi|zuHause2: the trams and lines in Turku were demolished only a few years before the oil crisis
21:18<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause2: not even for upgrades?
21:18<ln->the oil crisis a few years earlier could have had significant impact
21:18<Eddi|zuHause2>Sacro: usally not completely
21:18<Eddi|zuHause2>ln-: yes, it's the same story in lots of western cities
21:18<Eddi|zuHause2>like west berlin for example
21:19<ln->three finnish towns used to have trams, now only one.
21:19<Gonozal_VIII>i like trams very much
21:19<Gonozal_VIII>subways are even better but trams rock too
21:19<Sacro>pervert :p
21:19<Eddi|zuHause2>trams are great... i was in luxemburg last year, there they only use busses... it's a huge mess
21:20<Eddi|zuHause2>a tram can replace like 3 busses
21:20<Eddi|zuHause2>and does not get stuck in traffic
21:20<Gonozal_VIII>and it doesn't get stuck in traffic
21:20<Gonozal_VIII>hehe
21:21<Eddi|zuHause2>but it's difficult to reroute in case of accidents and stuff
21:21<Gonozal_VIII>but there are not many accidents
21:22<ln->Gonozal_VIII: but it doesn't have to be a tram accident.
21:22<Gonozal_VIII>they have mostly seperate tracks here
21:22<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.powalski.de/__we_thumbs__/3385_1_033BR975108KaessbohrerSetraS8mitKaessbohrerAnhaenger1954.jpg <- west german variant of the bus-trailer
21:23<Eddi|zuHause2>most accidents are car-vs-tram at a road crossing
21:24<Eddi|zuHause2>usually it's tram: 1 - car: 0 ;)
21:24<Eddi|zuHause2>but the line is blocked for a while
21:24<Eddi|zuHause2>it happens much less since they remodeled the Riebeckplatz
21:24<ln->we used to have a crossing of tramline and regular railway.
21:25<Eddi|zuHause2>they put the tram one level lower than the roads there
21:26<Eddi|zuHause2>i can't think of one around here, but there are closed rail lines through the city, they might have crossed there in the past
21:27<Eddi|zuHause2>oh, and there are leftover tram tracks from lines that closed like in the 50s
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21:32<ln->http://kuvat.vaunut.org/4382.jpg
21:32<Eddi|zuHause2>that is no tram ;)
21:32<Gonozal_VIII>train stops to let bus through?
21:33<ln->Eddi|zuHause2: no, but you can see the tram tracks
21:33<Eddi|zuHause2>trains must stop when the crossing is unsecured
21:34<Eddi|zuHause2>besides, it might be a shunting run
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21:35<Eddi|zuHause2>ln-: the tram has no catenary?
21:35<Gonozal_VIII>steam tram :-)
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21:37<ln->Eddi|zuHause2: i've been wondering the same, but it's probably that the line is already shut down, and replaced by the bus in the photo.
21:37<Eddi|zuHause2>ln-: well, even then, the previously put up catenary would have blocked the crossing bars
21:39<ln->dunno how they solved that one, but certainly the trams operated on electricity.
21:39<Gonozal_VIII>there's been some talk about trams powered by a heavy spinning wheel inside that gets accelerated again at stations
21:40<Eddi|zuHause2>they used battery driven trams here for a while, because the physics institute wouldn't allow putting up catenary near them
21:41<Eddi|zuHause2>because "it would disturb their fine measuring instruments"
21:41<ln->which isn't impossible
21:43<Eddi|zuHause2>yes, but battery driven vehicles are expensive to operate
21:43<Eddi|zuHause2>and it took them 10 years to even allow this
21:43<Eddi|zuHause2>they had to operate horse tram for these 10 years
21:44<Gonozal_VIII>wtf?^^
21:44<Gonozal_VIII>when was that?
21:44<Eddi|zuHause2>1890something
21:45<Eddi|zuHause2>i said, they were celebrating 125 years of tram here
21:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belugas * r12040 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: Change IsOrderListShared from a simple function to a class member(MagicBuzz).
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21:58<fjb>Good night.
21:58<Gonozal_VIII>night
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22:23<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belugas * r12041 /trunk/src/ (industry.h newgrf.cpp table/build_industry.h):
22:23<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Codechange: Add the loader and the property for action 00 industries, prop 24, nearby station name.
22:23<CIA-1>OpenTTD: No assignation yet, no real work either.
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