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03:44<CIA-3>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12860 /trunk/src/ (train_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Fix [FS#1947]: Train depart animation trigger was not called in some cases.
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03:45<Roest>morning
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04:32<Trond>morning
04:33<@Bjarni>morning Trond
04:35<ln>Bjarni!
04:36<Roest>mrng
04:41<Trond>thats a lazy morning there Roest :P
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04:53<CIA-3>OpenTTD: miham * r12861 /trunk/src/lang/ (17 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
04:53<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-04-24 10:49:17
04:53<CIA-3>OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 74 fixed, 2 changed by fukumori (38), tucalipe (38)
04:53<CIA-3>OpenTTD: bulgarian - 59 fixed by thetitan (59)
04:53<CIA-3>OpenTTD: catalan - 75 fixed by arnaullv (75)
04:53<CIA-3>OpenTTD: czech - 70 fixed, 42 changed by Hadez (112)
04:53<CIA-3>OpenTTD: danish - 46 fixed by MiR (46)
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05:55<CIA-3>OpenTTD: smatz * r12862 /trunk/src/ (11 files): -Codechange: reduce code duplication for VehicleType -> WindowClass lookup
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06:15<Gekz>!seen Yorick
06:15<Gekz>BOT
06:15<Gekz>@seen
06:15<@DorpsGek>Gekz: seen [<channel>] <nick>
06:15<Gekz>@seen Yorick
06:15<@DorpsGek>Gekz: Yorick was last seen in #openttd 14 hours, 26 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <yorick> :D engineloop()?
06:26<Sacro>how do i list all installed packages with apt-cache?
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06:26<@peter1138>you don't
06:26<Sacro>D:
06:26<Sacro>how do i do it then?
06:26<@peter1138>you list installed packages with dpkg -l
06:29<Sacro>ah yes
06:29<Sacro>ooh
06:29<Sacro><3 dselect
06:30<@peter1138>dselect :o
06:30<Sacro>yeah
06:30<Sacro>now, how to start the sshd
06:30<@peter1138>ancient obsolete and hard to use
06:30<Sacro>why do i have /etc/openoffice
06:30<Sacro>where did that come from
06:30<Sacro> /etc/openoffice/ even
06:30<Gekz>lol
06:30<Gekz>I'd hate to be your OS
06:30<@peter1138>do you have openoffice installed?
06:30<Sacro>Gekz: why?
06:30<Gekz>you sound like Frankenstein
06:30<Sacro>peter1138: no
06:31<@peter1138>hmm
06:31<Sacro>debian stable bass
06:31<Sacro>*base
06:31<Gekz>/etc/init.d/openssh start perhaps
06:31<Sacro>+ openssh
06:31<Gekz>or sshd
06:31<Gekz>its one of those
06:31<Sacro>Gekz: do i have to copy it into rc3.d and rc5.d?
06:32<Sacro>wtf
06:32<Gekz>why would you
06:32<Gekz>christ
06:32<Sacro>why does it have portmap and exim startting
06:32<Gekz>when was the last time you used any normal version of Linux
06:32<Sacro>normal>
06:32<@peter1138>Sacro: it's part of a dependency of language-support-en :o
06:32<Gekz>Sacro: because you havent told it to stop
06:32<Sacro>pfft
06:32*Sacro has never set up debian before
06:32<Sacro>i've only used arch
06:32<Gekz>lol
06:32<Gekz>Arch is not the smae
06:32<Sacro>it doesn't do anything without you telling it
06:32<Gekz>not even close
06:32<Gekz>no
06:32<@peter1138>they're default packages :o
06:33<Gekz>debian is a just works OS
06:33<Gekz>lol
06:33<@peter1138>apt-get install ssmtp; apt-get remove --purge exim portmap
06:33<@peter1138>heh
06:34<Gekz>dont purge
06:34<Gekz>thats mean
06:35<@peter1138>...
06:35<@peter1138>you don't want its config... so purge it
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06:46<Mwa>If you hit Fullscreen (r12751) in mac os x, a ghost of the cursor is left where it was before the fullscreen activated.
06:50<Rubidium>oh Bjarni! ;)
06:52<Sacro>OH BJARNI! ;D
06:54<Rubidium>Sacro's a parrot
06:55<Sacro>Sacro's a parrot *squaawk*
06:55*Sacro flies off
06:56<Rubidium>/part
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06:59<Rubidium>Sacro fails as parrot
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07:00<Mwa>:p
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07:12<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r12863 /trunk/src/ (gfx_type.h players.cpp): -Codechange: rewrite GeneratePlayerColour to be better understandable.
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07:48<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r12864 /branches/0.6/ (21 files in 4 dirs):
07:48<CIA-3>OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk r12859, r12857, r12855, r12845, r12844:
07:48<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Make the town rating tests use less memory and much quicker (r12859)
07:48<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Usage of AutoPtr made (trying to) build stuff very expensive (r12857, r12855)
07:48<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Use YAPF for fairly old savegames from before YAPF was introduced (r12845)
07:48<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: The industry tick trigger should only be triggered once every 256 ticks, not every tick... Also bail out of the triggers a little earlier if you know they are not going to happen anyway (r12844)
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07:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r12865 /branches/0.6/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs):
07:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk r12856, r12809, r12808, r12637, r12574:
07:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Ensure that prop 25 is set for all vehicles in the consist before other properties as it could cause desyncs (r12856)
07:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Possible out of bounds array access (r12809)
07:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Enforce autorenew values range in command (r12808)
07:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Possible NULL pointer dereference when reading some NewGRF data [FS#1913] (r12637)
07:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Binding to a specific IP could cause OpenTTD to not register properly with the masterserver if one has multiple external interfaces (r12574)
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07:58<@Bjarni>Mwa: looks like you built a debug build
07:58<Gekz>Rubidium: nice amount of fixes
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08:05<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r12866 /branches/0.6/src/ (4 files):
08:05<CIA-3>OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk r12759, r12717, r12682, r12564, r12561:
08:05<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Slope checking for NewGRFs failed (r12759)
08:05<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Check the TILE_NOT_SLOPED flag of the _north_ tile of multi-tile houses to decide if autoslope is allowed (r12717)
08:05<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Removing road pieces from a town gave you twice the intended penalty [FS#1920] (r12682)
08:05<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Towns could not terraform when inflation rised terraform prices enough (r12564)
08:05<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not affect town rating change by the order in which we examine stations (r12561)
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08:15<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r12867 /branches/0.6/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
08:15<CIA-3>OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk r12706, r12642, r12622, r12572, r12542:
08:15<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not crash very hard on unrecognised savegames, just go back to the intro menu instead (r12706)
08:15<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Remove buggy buoys at tile 0 from old TTDP savegames (r12642)
08:15<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Infinite loop in case your compiler decides that enums are unsigned by default (r12622)
08:15<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: min() has 32bit arguments, clamping of 64bit values did not work (r12572)
08:15<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not install scenarios into the current user's homedir when running 'make install', that is silly. Simply always install scenarios system wide instead (r12542)
08:16<Vikthor>commit spree! :D
08:17<Mwa>Bjarni, it's always done it since I started playing
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08:17<@Bjarni>hmm
08:17*Bjarni has something to check then
08:17<@Bjarni>10.5?
08:18<Mwa>Yes
08:18<Mwa>.2
08:18<Mwa>Macbook first gen
08:20<@Bjarni>sounds like a bug in the 10.5 graphics driver
08:20<@Bjarni>it's different from the 10.4 one
08:21<@Bjarni>does it also happen in 0.6.0?
08:22<@Bjarni>I mean in the binary I released on sourceforge
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08:32<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r12868 /branches/0.6/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
08:32<CIA-3>OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk r12795, r12776, r12683, r12681, r12678:
08:32<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Vehicles could break down during loading and keep loading. The intention of the break down code is not to break down when having zero speed, therefor break downs now do not happen when loading [FS#1938] (r12795)
08:32<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: [OSX] In some rare cases when using an uncalibrated monitor the system colour space could not be retrieved. Show an error when this happens instead of just trying an assertion (r12776)
08:32<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: In some cases a news messages would not be shown [FS#1906] (r12683)
08:32<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: When a road vehicle has a tram only stop multiple times in a row in it's orders, only the first one would be skipped [FS#1918] (r12678)
08:35<Celestar>:o
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08:35<Celestar>this smells like 0.6.1 at some point :)
08:35<SpComb>bugs :o
08:35<@peter1138>and contrary to what people think, it won't have station animation, hah
08:36<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r12869 /branches/0.6/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
08:36<CIA-3>OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk r12714, r12708, r12674, r12577, r12553:
08:36<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not move windows below the toolbar on resizes unless they would go behind the toolbar [FS#1904] (r12714)
08:36<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Increase default sound buffer size only for Vista [FS#1914] (r12708)
08:36<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Colour remaps on station sprites only worked for company colours [FS#1902] (r12674)
08:36<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: The convert signal button disallowed signal dragging when the signal GUI was closed (r12577)
08:36<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Redraw the signal GUI when the signal drag density changes in the patch settings and vice versa (r12553)
08:39<Celestar>@openttd commit 12857
08:39<@DorpsGek>Celestar: Commit by rubidium :: r12857 /trunk (12 files in 4 dirs) (2008-04-23 22:16:41 UTC)
08:39<@DorpsGek>Celestar: -Fix [FS#1948]: remove the last uses of AutoPtr in the station code.
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08:39<Celestar>hm .. is AutoPtr that slow?
08:39<Celestar>peter1138: one might think they've gotten behind the rationale of the release cycle ...
08:40<@peter1138>Celestar: yes it was
08:40<Celestar>peter1138: weird.
08:40<Celestar>peter1138: anyone know why?
08:40<Celestar>or what?
08:40<Celestar>I mean station building doesn't happen every other tick?
08:41<@peter1138>well the destructor was called
08:41<@peter1138>er... it does with the ai enabled
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08:42<Rubidium>Celestar: it caused 68.51% of CPU in a profile
08:42<Celestar>peter1138: because it tries to find a station stop, right?
08:42<Celestar>spot I mean
08:43<Celestar>it's a miracle we ever got this coding working on large map with > 40 trains :P
08:44<Celestar>s/coding/code
08:45<Rubidium>Celestar: a specific savegame takes in 0.6.0: 5:50; with 0.6.0 + r12684 it takes 0:55 (worth the effort?)
08:45<wleader>Salutations (Good morning, evening, afternoon, whatever) everyone, I've just noticed a problem with the brazilian protuguese file this morning, but I don't know what I should do about it. Flyspray?
08:45<Celestar>Rubidium: yeah I'm reading the thread and I was quite amazed
08:45<Celestar>wleader: "a problem" being?
08:45<Rubidium>wleader: known already :(
08:45<Rubidium>but... please write a bugreport in the WebTranslator bug thingy
08:45<wleader>URL?
08:46<Rubidium>bugs.openttd.org, but project WebTranslator
08:46<wleader>Ah, Will do.
08:46<Rubidium>you need to 'switch' the project before clicking add new task though
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08:47<Rubidium>HMage: no Cyrillic!
08:47<Celestar>Rubidium: why? it works here without problems :)
08:48<Rubidium>Celestar: well, I can't understand it
08:48<Celestar>I can read it. I just have nft what the words mean :P
08:49<Rubidium>it's like some person starting with a S from Hull saying things in other languages that are not appropriate
08:49<Celestar>nfi even
08:52<Celestar>@openttd commit 12684
08:52<@DorpsGek>Celestar: Commit by rubidium :: r12684 trunk/src/vehicle.cpp (2008-04-13 11:35:57 UTC)
08:52<@DorpsGek>Celestar: -Fix [FS#1891]: manually given service at depot order is not forgotten anymore when autoservice 'interferes'.
08:53<Rubidium>Celestar: that fix *heavily* depends on about 20 or so prepartion patches before it
08:53<Celestar>Rubidium: I see it
08:53<Celestar>Rubidium: nice job :)
08:54<Celestar>good to see that we don't fix performance issues by telling people to buy faster computers :)
08:54<Rubidium>problem is that the computers aren't getting faster lately
08:54<Celestar>not per core, no
08:54<Celestar>well a bit, but not greatly
08:55<@peter1138>speak for yourself
08:55<@peter1138>my computer got faster ;)
08:56<@Belugas>that is called "catching up" ,peter hehe
08:56<@Belugas>somehting i should do myself one day or the other...
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09:01<Celestar>me too
09:01<Celestar>I'll get a new notebook \o/
09:01<Gekz>I'll steal it
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09:06<CIA-3>OpenTTD: smatz * r12870 /trunk/src/ (direction_func.h ship.h ship_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: remove some magic numbers from u.ship.state handling
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09:19<Celestar>Rubidium: well I take my statement back. per-core CPU performance is improving
09:19<Celestar>Athlon to Phenom has improvements. Core 2 Duo has improvements from 65nm to 45nm
09:19<Rubidium>but not as significant as it used to be
09:19<Celestar>that is right
09:20<Rubidium>to the x2 per 18 months
09:20<Rubidium>but maybe x1.1 per 12 months if you're lucky
09:20<Celestar>because the number of cores increases dramatically
09:20<Rubidium>the rest of the x2 comes from doubling the amount of cores
09:21<Celestar>maybe at *some* point we can move *something* into another thread :P
09:21<Rubidium>... how many times has this been covered in depth in here and the forum?
09:22<Celestar>hence the ":P"
09:22*cjk slaps Celestar
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09:22<Celestar>jengelh: :o
09:23<jengelh>dunno how long it has been, do you still run that pam_mount thing?
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09:23<Celestar>jengelh: nope. running NFS4 with automounter.
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09:24<Celestar>jengelh: problem with samba at that point
09:24<jengelh>what problem
09:24<Celestar>of it not supporting kerberos auth if kerberos server != AD server
09:25<jengelh>hm can't say if it's fixed now
09:25<Celestar>afaik it's not
09:27<Celestar>we've basically become one of the worlds first production kerberized-NFS4 implementation
09:28<Noldo>interesting
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09:40<planetmaker>@openttd commit 12667
09:40<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: Commit by rubidium :: r12667 /trunk/src (6 files in 2 dirs) (2008-04-12 11:58:19 UTC)
09:40<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: -Feature: conditional 'skip/jump' orders.
09:41<planetmaker>^^ nice :)
09:41<@peter1138>old!
09:41<planetmaker>Nevertheless :) Hidden away nicely... :P
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09:53<jengelh>@openttd commit crime
09:53<@DorpsGek>jengelh: Invalid arguments for _commit.
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09:54<hylje>mooninites commit acts of viral advertising
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10:02<@Belugas>hoo... the wonderfull art of whining : http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=37268&p=685225#p685225
10:06<@peter1138>hah
10:08<yorick>I'm looking into the order share/clone system to see if I can return some more specific errors :)
10:12<@Belugas>arghh... conflicts!
10:13<yorick>question: why do some strings have STR_...... with . being a number?
10:13<+glx>old strings
10:14<+glx>if you search the number in ttdpatch wiki you should bet the same string
10:15<@Belugas>so, basically, histercal raisins :)
10:15<yorick>Can't copy order list: one of the orders to be copied is not compatible with new vehicle... <-- appears too long?
10:16<hylje>hysterical reason
10:16<hylje>s
10:16<@Belugas>prrrrrttt!
10:16<yorick>thank you, btw :)
10:16*yorick unstucks Belugas
10:17<@Belugas>Can't copy order list : incompatibility detected
10:17<@Belugas>fits well in french too, and maybe even in german :D
10:17<@peter1138>what happens when trying to copy orders from a bus to a truck?
10:17<yorick>yes, that
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10:18<yorick>if it has incompatible destinations, it fails
10:18<yorick>otherwise, it just works
10:18<yorick>airplanes have no checks (yet, I'm giving them)
10:19<yorick>problem could be with shared orders, now I think of it
10:19<yorick>you shouldn't be able to share orders with a helicopter if you're an aircraft
10:20<yorick>or it should check on insertion as well as sharing?
10:20<yorick>"if isn't compatible with any of the other shared vehicles..."
10:23<yorick>just make it impossible to share between aircraft and helicopters (and busses and trucks, as is done now), or check on insertion if it's compatible with all the shared orderlist vehicles?
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10:31<yorick>error detected: faulty comment at order_cmd.cpp:359!
10:32<Roest>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=37296 i wanna know as well!!!
10:32<yorick>how do you mean?
10:32<yorick>what file
10:32<yorick>what patching? what that? what openttd? what for?
10:32<Roest>exactly! no more excuses
10:33<@Belugas>don't bother...
10:33<@Belugas>POST COUNT = 1
10:33<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r12871 /branches/0.6/src/ (12 files):
10:33<CIA-3>OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk r12819, r12818, r12759:
10:33<CIA-3>OpenTTD: - Fix: Inconsistent use of 8/15-bitness of NewGRF callback results with respect to TTDP's implementation of the specification (r12819, r12818, r12759)
10:33<yorick>what clear explanation?
10:34<yorick>there he goes :)
10:41<yorick>(new_order.GetLoadType() & OLFB_FULL_LOAD) && (new_order.GetUnloadType() & OUFB_UNLOAD) <-- I should thank the one who wrote this piece for the readability :(
10:41<yorick>& > hasbits?
10:42<Roest>i'm starting to hate opengl
10:45<@peter1138>you've not seen my blitter
10:45<Rubidium>yorick: hasbits implies that all passed bits are set, which isn't needed in this case
10:47<yorick>"#define HASBITS(x, y) ((x) & (y))"
10:47<Rubidium>then hasbits is conceptually wrong
10:47<yorick>Roest, you're blind, why do you hate opengl?
10:47<yorick>you can't really see it, or play openttd, can you?
10:47<yorick>:p
10:48<Roest>go away
10:49<yorick>:(
10:49<Rubidium>opengl requires binary drivers on my laptop, therefor... it's bad ;)
10:54<yorick>There was some 'mistake' in loading old savegames in 0.6.0 that makes it use the old pathfinder. <-- aaw
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11:01<yorick>G:\BoTTD\BoTTD\msys\home\ottdsrc\trunk\src\lang\brazilian_portuguese.txt:1824: FATAL: Invalid case-name 'f'
11:02<@Belugas>yorick: FOR_VEHICLE_ORDERS(v,order) -> FOR_VEHICLE_ORDERS(v, order)
11:02<yorick>what changed?
11:02<yorick>oh, space
11:02<yorick>I just copied that piece over
11:03<@Belugas>bad yorick...
11:03<yorick>bad example...
11:04<@Belugas>bad yorick, you should be as well aware of code style as of proper coding too
11:04<@Belugas>and yes, trunk needs a good cleanup here and there
11:05<yorick>can't some #include "table/strings.h" includes be filtered, now there's a almost-full recompile if english.txt gets altered
11:06<@Belugas>haaa.... another patch subject?
11:06<@Belugas>man, you're ambitious :)
11:07<hylje>well, a patch to change ottd to be something else than c++ is a bit ambitious indeed
11:08<@peter1138>delphi?
11:08<yorick>java ports have been done
11:08<jengelh>so what's *B*ottd?
11:08<yorick>buildopenttd?
11:08<jengelh>compared to? cottd? :D
11:08<yorick>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=31823 <-- ?
11:08<@Belugas>Delphi, yes yes yes!
11:08<@Belugas>DOTTD
11:09<yorick>ZOTTD, XOTTD, KOTTD, EduOTTD!
11:09*yorick imagines it having a window manager
11:09<yorick>a real one
11:10<yorick>*openttd 8.04: featuring printer detection*
11:10<@Belugas>sounds like a good job. Open window, Close window, clean window...
11:10<@Belugas>no stress, nothing
11:11<@Belugas>i would like tobe a window manager
11:11<yorick>*openttd 12.10: now with live cd!*
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11:12<jengelh>openttd 20.0: still counting.
11:13<jengelh>just to highlight the ridiculousness of bumping major numbers early...
11:13<yorick>every year a new number
11:14<@peter1138>openttd 0.6.0.405123 ?
11:14<jengelh>you know, there is this "ah shiny new thing" feature everytime you bump the number
11:14<jengelh>like, IE 4 -> IE 5 ("zomg! cool!")
11:14<jengelh>but once the number passes like 12, it gets really boring
11:15<jengelh>not limited to ie
11:15<yorick>why isn't the cheat gui affected by the spinner gui one click as many bug?
11:15<yorick>the only thing where you'd want it :(
11:16*yorick is tired of clicking the date switching button 100 times to progress 100 years or clicking the money cheat buttons, which have another problem: they don't have nice click>lower effects
11:16*peter1138 is tired of lots of things
11:17<@Belugas>hehe :)
11:17<Gekz>yorick: lernu.net?
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11:18<yorick>why should I learn esperanto?
11:18<Gekz>yorick: so its not you.
11:18<Gekz>ok
11:19<Gekz>there is more than one idiot in the world with the name Yorick :D
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11:19<yorick>it's not even my birthday!
11:20<Gekz>lol
11:20<Gekz>my god, I want my braces back on
11:20<Gekz>I got them off today, and my molars are stabbing me in the cheek
11:21<Eddi|zuHause2>why does the name "jengelh" ring a bell?
11:22<yorick>what does the conditional order do?
11:22<jengelh>Eddi|zuHause2: you tell me.
11:22<yorick>and how to use it
11:22<Eddi|zuHause2>well, i know that i know it, but i can't place it
11:22<jengelh>Eddi|zuHause2: do a google search?
11:23<Eddi|zuHause2>that'd be cheating ;)
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11:23<jengelh>Cheaters always win ... (from a TF ad *sigh*)
11:23<yorick>... (I just typed lernu.h instead of lernu.net, my subcontiousness acknoledges that C is superior to .net!)
11:23<jengelh>yorick: http://lernu.h/ ? :)
11:23<yorick>yes
11:24<jengelh>.hu perhaps :>
11:24<jengelh>Eddi|zuHause2: ein Cheat in ehren kann niemand verwehren..
11:24<Eddi|zuHause2>the problem is that it's going to get a habit :p
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11:26<Eddi|zuHause2>"exporting" the memory to google is going to backfire at some point
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11:27<yorick>my text editor has an option to reindent c++ code, which is quite scary
11:28<hylje>just c++ code?
11:28<jengelh>Eddi|zuHause2: if you cannot be bothered to cheat using google; if I told you, it would be cheating too, would not it?
11:28<Eddi|zuHause2>yes ;)
11:28<yorick>no, but it has a more advanced thing for c++
11:28<Eddi|zuHause2>i really need to work on my memory ;)
11:29<yorick>other is just: {: move down one tab; } move up again
11:29<Eddi|zuHause2>i only remember unimportant things :p
11:29<yorick>such as 58?
11:30<jengelh>Eddi|zuHause2: well what do you remember?
11:30<yorick>someone told me to remember 58 once :(
11:31<Eddi|zuHause2>i think it was about some package management stuff
11:31<yorick>and I sometimes walk by a computer screen with a code on it needed for printing documents, and then remember the codes from people in front of me
11:32<yorick>*scary*
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11:33<LordAzamath>Hello there
11:33<yorick>hello
11:34<yorick>hmm...how do shared orders work? by referenced ->orders?
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11:36<LordAzamath>what do you mean?
11:37<yorick>I'm doing something for shared orders on trucks an such
11:37<@peter1138>they're orders... and they're shared
11:37<mynetdude>yorick, as in when you build multiple vehicles you can assign the same order to multiple vehicles?
11:38<yorick>I asked for a more technical description there?
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11:38<Eddi|zuHause2>read the code?
11:38<Eddi|zuHause2>it's the canonical description
11:38<yorick>doing that, but not sure if C++ has fancy references
11:38<mynetdude>yorick, well I think the point is... you can already share orders when you clone vehicles????
11:39<Eddi|zuHause2>C++ has all kinds of fancy references
11:39<Eddi|zuHause2>one is worse than the other
11:39<Roest>mynetdude: try ctrl clicking the duplicate button
11:39<yorick>also the can't copy object without wanting it specificly?
11:39<mynetdude>Roest I did, thats how I get orders copied to new vehicles I create
11:40<Roest>ok then n/m
11:40<mynetdude>but what I am saying is, yorick seems to be reinventing the wheel if its already possible to share/copy orders
11:40<yorick>NO I'm not doing that
11:40<mynetdude>well then what is the difference?
11:41<Roest>wouldn't hurt to have another wheel
11:41<yorick>I'm just patching the code
11:41<mynetdude>Roest only if the new one is better than the last?
11:41<Roest>it's like saying, wouldn't hurt to have another beer
11:42<Roest>if i don't make sense, i just solved my opengl problem here and am just happy
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11:42<mynetdude>yorick alright so you're patching code to make it so you can share/copy orders on vehicles that are not in the depot? that would be cool
11:42<mynetdude>Roest oh you make sense alright :)
11:42<yorick>no I'm not
11:42<yorick>and you already can
11:43<mynetdude>AFAIK it seems to me the only way to share/clone/copy orders is one of the vehicles has to be inside the depot for it to happen
11:43<mynetdude>well I haven't seen a way to be able to do it outside the depot then
11:43<mynetdude>but then I give up as well :P
11:43<yorick>no
11:44<yorick>http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Orders
11:44<Roest>click goto, ctrl click on another vehicle
11:44<yorick>not on its list entry, but on the vehicle itself ;)
11:45<mynetdude>ohhhh ok, so on the new vehicle click goto, then click on the vehicle already enroute in the game world... ahh cool :) so tell me what is the point of your patch then?
11:46<yorick>it makes it impossible for aircraft to get to heliports using shared orders
11:46<yorick>because they have no use circling
11:47<jengelh>Eddi|zuHause2: getting warmer
11:48<mynetdude>that makes sense :)
11:50<yorick>someone forgot adding a check for copy and share orders
11:51<CIA-3>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12872 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_engine.cpp newgrf_engine.h): -Codechange: Remove obsolete unused engine list order function
11:54<jengelh>Is there a way to remove only one track of a railway station instead of the whole thing?
11:54<Yexo>use the buldozer
11:54<Yexo>or the shortcut R, after presseing the station build button
11:54<Eddi|zuHause2>press "r" after selecting the station tool
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12:04<yorick>is it technically possible for a truck to be refitted to pax and the other way around?
12:05<Eddi|zuHause2>nobody forbids that, afaik
12:05<Celestar>"the other way round" being? a pax to be refitted to truck?
12:06<yorick>a bus refitted to other cargos
12:06<Eddi|zuHause2>yorick: imho you should not try to prevent copying the orders, just notify that the vehicle has invalid orders now
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12:07<LordAzamath>bbyyee
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12:12<yorick>ah, works so far, now adding same checks for roadvehs, so you could be sharing their orders as well
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12:23<yorick>http://pastebin.com/d29caaacd <-- why does it manage to completely ignore #include "cargo_type.h"?
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12:23<yorick>don't mind the comments, btw
12:25<yorick>wait
12:25<yorick>CT_PASSENGERS != CC_PASSENGERS :(
12:26<yorick>sorry for bothering :)
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12:43<jengelh>Eddi|zuHause2: suse. rpm. ring a bell?
12:44<Eddi|zuHause2>yeah, kind
12:44<Eddi|zuHause2>a
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13:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r12873 /trunk/src/core/overflowsafe_type.hpp: -Fix [FS#1946]: MSVC is whining because it doesn't understand that bytes should be cast to ints.
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13:57<yorick>hmm...got it finished, except that it now displays the wrong error message, which it shouldn't
13:59<yorick>however, it works 100% for busses
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14:03<Eddi|zuHause2>still i don't think it should give an error to copy orders from an incompatible vehicle
14:03<Eddi|zuHause2>just a warning (popup news)
14:04<Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause2: so just let the order review handle it?
14:04<Eddi|zuHause2>yes
14:05<yorick>airplanes can go into an unrecoverable state if they try to go to a heliport
14:05<yorick>in which they keep circling above
14:05<Rubidium>RVs too
14:05<yorick>the order review system is for less significant stuff that's just annoying
14:06<yorick>and now, you can't copy RV cross-type orders at all
14:07<Rubidium>uhm... you can copy Bus <-> passenger tram
14:07<Rubidium>and you can make bus stops that are not reachable (or tram stops for that matter)
14:07<Rubidium>in which case they keep circling, like planes do
14:07<Eddi|zuHause2>there's a lot of inconsistency
14:08<yorick>yes, but you can just recover that
14:08<yorick>the circling of rvs, I mean
14:08<yorick>you can make the station reachable and such
14:08<Rubidium>then make it recoverable for aircraft too
14:09<yorick>I'm not into that aircraft stuff
14:09<yorick>"voorkomen is beter dan genezen"?
14:09<Rubidium>or rather, make aircraft just skip orders
14:09<Eddi|zuHause2>still, i might want to cross-copy "incompantible" order lists, and then replace the incompatible parts with compatible ones
14:10<Eddi|zuHause2>it shold not outright forbid this
14:10<yorick>it does now
14:10<yorick>"incompantible" :D
14:10<Eddi|zuHause2>whatever
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14:14<jengelh>Eddi|zuHause2: any luck with your memory? :>
14:14<Eddi|zuHause2>jengelh: it's not going to get better :p
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14:14<jengelh>want me to help?
14:14<yorick>huh? who are you?
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14:15<Eddi|zuHause2>i'm already proud that i know that i know the name :p
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14:16<jengelh>you can try googling now.
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14:17<yorick>hopto!
14:17<jengelh>I changed the domain today.
14:17<jengelh>it's just a dns anyway
14:18<CIA-3>OpenTTD: belugas * r12874 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: The closest town is already known. Do not search for it again.
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14:27<yorick>Eddi|zuHause2, and how about sharing?
14:28<Eddi|zuHause2>reduce the amount of special cases
14:29<yorick>?
14:29<Eddi|zuHause2>means "handle them the same way"
14:30<yorick>sharing just works fine now, (if can go there, make shared, and disallow new orders that are incompatiblewith any of the vehicles that share these orders)
14:30<yorick>but I can't have shared orders that are not 100% the same
14:30<yorick>it asserts on that
14:30<CIA-3>OpenTTD: belugas * r12875 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Use defined const instead of cast magic
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14:41<yorick>37 files that have to do with newgrfs in some way :o
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14:51<ln>Bjarni!: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/helpparitoimintaa.jpg
14:52<yorick>when did he arrive?
14:52<yorick>Bjarni!
14:54<Brianetta>Robert Mugabe: One person, one vote.
14:54<yorick>Eddi|zuHause2, http://bugs.openttd.org/?getfile=2777
14:54<Brianetta>Him, his.
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15:09<@Bjarni><yorick> when did he arrive? <-- like 10 hours ago
15:09<@Bjarni>and no I haven't been looking at IRC for 10 hours
15:10<yorick>have you not been looking at IRC for 10 hours?
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15:11<@Bjarni>that's not what I said
15:12<@Bjarni>I said I haven't spent the last 10 hours only looking at IRC
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15:13<ln>did you say you had said you hadn't been looking at IRC for 10 hours?
15:15<@Bjarni>shut up
15:16<ln>how rude
15:16<@Bjarni>I find this discussion pointless
15:17<@Bjarni>once in a while I looked at IRC today but I did a lot of other stuff too
15:17<@Bjarni>end of discussion
15:17<@Bjarni>new topic!
15:18<ln>"end of discussion"! reminds me of the good old times.
15:18<jengelh>Bjarni: Godwin's Law.
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15:20<ln>Bjarni: i propose a new topic: Danish Formula 1 World Champions.
15:22<hylje>six links to hitler from just about any wikipedia article
15:22<Tefad>yup!
15:24<+glx>ln: it was "Period."
15:25<Prof_Frink>Brianetta: How Pratchettsque.
15:25<@Bjarni>I just read something interesting. There is a case between IFPI (Danish version of RIAA) and an ISP because IFPI wants to block all traffic to the pirate bay. Now it turns out that IFPI's independent witness used to be on the payroll of the lawyer company that IFPI use in this case
15:26<@Bjarni>now it looks like they are going to lose their "neutral" witness
15:26*Sacro snuggles with Bjarni
15:27<Prof_Frink>Aww, bless
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15:27<@Bjarni>the thing is the guy is a lawyer and knows that he due to his history can't be an independent witness yet he didn't inform of this
15:27<Tefad>hah
15:28<Tefad>i'll sue ya and take all of your money
15:34*Belugas likes Rammstein's guitar sound
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15:42<planetmaker>@openttd commit 12856
15:42<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: Commit by peter1138 :: r12856 trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp (2008-04-23 21:55:24 UTC)
15:42<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: -Fix: Taking r12377 further, ensure that prop 25 is set for all vehicles in the consist before other properties.
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15:48<Roest>**** *** ****** *****
15:49<Roest>belugas you should try the hammerfall guitar sound
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15:51<@Belugas>what's hammerfall?
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15:52<jengelh>@openttd commit HEAD
15:52<@DorpsGek>jengelh: Invalid arguments for _commit.
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15:56<Roest>http://youtube.com/watch?v=eiJPQG7osVw
15:57<@Belugas>mmh..
15:58<hylje>Hammers fall. Everyone dies.
15:58<@Belugas>i would not say i like it. it feels a bit too... sweet
15:58<@Belugas>but.. i have to adnmit, aint see it all
15:59<Roest>that solo at 3:05 is pure genius
15:59<@Belugas>reminds me of queensryche sound
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16:01<Roest>and i hate you now, hammerfall is by far the best powermetal band
16:01<@Belugas>yup really like Queesryche
16:02<@Belugas>hey, i didnot said that i do not like the band, just the sound of guitar...
16:02<@Belugas>prrrrrt
16:02<@Belugas>quick gun
16:02<Roest>wow svn checkout took like 15 minutes
16:03<@Belugas>Geoff Tate has a far better voice
16:03<Roest>go away
16:03<@Belugas>no, true aqnd honest!
16:03<Roest>btw what's flex/bison?
16:04<@Belugas>something that is not going to be in trunk :)
16:06<Roest>care to enlighten me what it is?
16:07<@Belugas>iird, it's some king of interpreter, a bit like sqirrel
16:07<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r12876 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix [FS#1928]: gcc on FreeBSD does not support -dumpmachine. As gcc is not necessary for FreeBSD compiles we 'just' use g++ as that support -dumpmachine.
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17:23<Roest>http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/03/the-greatest-job-evar/
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17:52<CIA-3>OpenTTD: richk * r12877 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/airport.h: [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Added names for additional BLIMP states.
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17:53<CIA-3>OpenTTD: richk * r12878 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/aircraft.h: [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Added test for IsEndTakeoffState to detect if any of the 4 takeoff states are current.
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17:55<jengelh>for a moment it read rickr * ...
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19:29<CIA-3>OpenTTD: truebrain * r12879 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (squirrel_export.awk squirrel_export.sh): [NoAI] -Fix: two bugs in $Id$ handling of squirrel_export, and one fix for future problems
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19:39<CIA-3>OpenTTD: truebrain * r12880 /branches/noai/ (40 files in 3 dirs):
19:39<CIA-3>OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: introduces ai_types.hpp, which has all NNNId like VehicleID. This simplifies the include-mess, and avoids including tons of _type.h for just a single typedef.
19:39<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Note: this is perfectly safe; when a type changes, any sane compiler starts complaining about redefining the typedef to an other type
19:40<CIA-3>OpenTTD: glx * r12881 /trunk/projects/generate.vbs: -Fix (r12770): the check for missing header files could find more files than needed
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19:43<Sacro>lobster!
19:43<lobster>quite
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19:50<CIA-3>OpenTTD: glx * r12882 /trunk/projects/generate: -Fix (r12764): the check for missing header files could find more files than needed
19:52<Eddi|zuHause2><Roest> btw what's flex/bison? <- afaik it's a parser generator
19:53<CIA-3>OpenTTD: truebrain * r12883 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_bridge.hpp ai_object.hpp ai_types.hpp): [NoAI] -Fix r12880: move two own-defined typedefs to ai_types.hpp too
19:57<CIA-3>OpenTTD: truebrain * r12884 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_types.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix r12880: make doxygen happy by commenting on all the typedefs.. boy, what are those comments explaining!
20:22<CIA-3>OpenTTD: truebrain * r12885 /branches/noai/ (18 files in 6 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AISubsidy and AIEventSubsidyNNN (Yexo)
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21:39<CIA-3>OpenTTD: richk * r12886 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/aircraft.h: [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Added test for IsInFlight to detect if an aircraft is flying between airports, or is in the main body of the FSM.
21:42<CIA-3>OpenTTD: richk * r12887 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/ (newgrf_fsmports.cpp newgrf_fsmports.h station_cmd.cpp):
21:42<CIA-3>OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: When upgrading an airport, remove the existing FSM first.
21:42<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Add: Added function to RemoveFSMSpecFromStationList when the index is unknown.
21:44<Gekz>does CIA-3 have to be in here?
21:44<Gekz>there _is_ #OpenTTD.notice
21:45<+glx>CIA needs to be here, else our stats won't be updated
21:48<@Belugas>plus, those poor users who do not know how to use svn log are relying on it to see news of commits ;)
21:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: richk * r12888 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (8 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
21:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Rewrite of aircraft movement to correct shallow descents, which werent working correctly. Use of target_altitude variable for added clarity.
21:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Change: Helicopter speed in holding pattern specified.
21:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Change: Helicopter landing limited to a minimum of 65kmh
21:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Change: Helicopters only change height vertically when landing/taking off.
21:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Change: Helicopters fly 5 below same speed aircraft.
21:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Change: Helicopter descent position marked by Bit9=1 in amd->flags.
21:57<@Belugas>go go richk!
22:02<Eddi|zuHause3>you can always /ignore CIA-*
22:04<@Belugas>but waht a shame it is, then...
22:12<CIA-3>OpenTTD: richk * r12889 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/newgrf_fsmports.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Optimise before commit ;)
22:13<+glx>usually it's compile before commit
22:15<CIA-3>OpenTTD: richk * r12890 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/newgrf_fsmports.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Add comment to new function, and correct comment in old.
22:17<Sacro>night everyone
22:19<@Belugas>bye Sacro
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22:25<Eddi|zuHause3>hence the smilie, i assume ;)
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22:57*mynetdude takes a beating stick and beats town authorities in the head... GET smarter! :)
23:03<Eddi|zuHause3>provide a patch ;)
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23:21<mynetdude>Eddi|zuHause3 a patch for what?
23:21<mynetdude>if you were saying I should write a patch to beat up town authority... lolz not happening I don't write code
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