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| 02:11 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | gaah... too early... |
| 02:17 | <Ammler> | indeed, way too... |
| 02:29 | <hylje> | way |
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| 03:48 | <Mchl> | hello |
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| 04:38 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | how much must go wrong so that "svn cleanup" tells me i have to run "svn cleanup" first?!? |
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| 04:42 | <planetmaker> | hehe^^ |
| 04:48 | <Gekz> | Eddi|zuHause2: fucking pwned |
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| 04:48 | <Gekz> | lol |
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| 04:52 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r13218 /branches/noai/ (bin/ai/regression/run.sh src/ai/api/ai_log.cpp): [NoAI] -Add: added a [S/E/P/W/I] in front of DEBUG messages from AILog, to indicate the level of message (the one that goes to the stdout) (request by Mchl) |
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| 05:18 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r13219 /branches/noai/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AICargo.HasCargoClass(), which allows you to find, say, passenger-based cargo (tnx kuifware for the pointer!) |
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| 05:46 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r13220 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/regression.txt: [NoAI] -Fix r13219: it has been a while, but I forgot to commit the regression update ;) |
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| 08:06 | <SmatZ> | wow gcc 4.2.4 |
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| 08:19 | <@peter1138> | wow? |
| 08:20 | <hylje> | WoW |
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| 08:20 | <hylje> | new compilers are so exciting |
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| 08:21 | <@peter1138> | ahhh |
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| 08:22 | <SmatZ> | :-) |
| 08:22 | <SmatZ> | openttd has much nicer changelog :) |
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| 08:24 | <planetmaker> | hehe |
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| 08:46 | <@peter1138> | hey |
| 08:46 | <SmatZ> | hello |
| 08:50 | <Lakie> | Afternoon |
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| 08:55 | <Sacro> | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Appeal_to_authority&oldid=210699360#Examples_of_appeals_to_authority number 7 |
| 08:56 | <hylje> | perfectly valid |
| 08:56 | <SmatZ> | :-) |
| 08:57 | <SmatZ> | It’s On The Internet, It Must Be True! |
| 08:58 | <planetmaker> | loool :) |
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| 09:07 | <Mchl> | I'm sensing a logical problem |
| 09:08 | <Mchl> | should i believe it, or not? |
| 09:09 | <SmatZ> | no |
| 09:14 | <Mchl> | just, because someone on internet told me not to? :P |
| 09:15 | <SmatZ> | [14:57:19] <SmatZ> It’s On The Internet, It Must Be True! |
| 09:17 | <Mchl> | see? I can neither believe you or not. |
| 09:17 | <planetmaker> | Michl: it's no logical problem... - you just need an additional source and pure logic :) |
| 09:18 | <Mchl> | yep, additional source... varifiable I should add |
| 09:18 | <planetmaker> | ^^ |
| 09:19 | <SmatZ> | ask wikipedia :) |
| 09:19 | <Mchl> | and if you need additional source, ask google :D |
| 09:20 | <SmatZ> | :-) |
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| 09:21 | <Roujin> | cheers |
| 09:22 | <SmatZ> | hello |
| 09:22 | <Mchl> | hello |
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| 09:26 | <@Bjarni> | can anybody explain to me why somebody decided to port allegro to OSX for PPC only? |
| 09:27 | <@Bjarni> | and updated the port for 10.5 (read: when all new macs are x86 based) |
| 09:30 | <Roujin> | Belugas: are you there? |
| 09:30 | * | Bjarni wonders what will happen if he downloads the newest source tarball and compiles himself |
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| 09:32 | * | Mchl reads http://alleg.sourceforge.net/latestdocs/en/build/macosx.html |
| 09:34 | <@Bjarni> | surprisingly configure sets the CPU to pentium and then compilation fails because pentium is unknown |
| 09:36 | * | Bjarni declares the source screwed |
| 09:40 | * | Bjarni tries the experimental version instead |
| 09:40 | <@Bjarni> | but it appears silly if the experimental version works and the stable dies right away |
| 09:42 | <@Bjarni> | interesting |
| 09:42 | <@Bjarni> | they removed configure |
| 09:42 | <@Bjarni> | and the makefile appears to be borked :s |
| 09:43 | * | Bjarni discards allegro |
| 09:43 | <@Bjarni> | if it's that hard for them to get it to just compile then I don't trust the code itself :P |
| 09:44 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | hm... this german dub is... polish... |
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| 09:46 | <Mchl> | Eddi: ?? |
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| 09:46 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | :p |
| 09:47 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | what i mean... i have a movie, which is dubbed... but really badly... like one actor speaking all persons |
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| 09:47 | <Mchl> | i see :) |
| 09:48 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | thus, like a polish dub ;) |
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| 09:48 | <SmatZ> | hehe |
| 09:48 | <SmatZ> | I like this |
| 09:48 | <SmatZ> | it sounds funny |
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| 09:48 | <SmatZ> | also, that neutral voice |
| 09:49 | <SmatZ> | with no excitement |
| 09:49 | <Mchl> | yup... pretty much like polish dubs :P |
| 09:50 | <Mchl> | though there have been some really well dubbed movies recently |
| 09:50 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | well, they do actually have a male and a female person in this movie ;) |
| 09:50 | <Mchl> | now that's one level above polish dubs |
| 09:50 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | yeah... but it's still far below any kind of "bad" german dub ;) |
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| 09:51 | <Mchl> | well... I remember watching some german dubbed movies whan I was a kid |
| 09:51 | <Mchl> | David Hasselhoff in Knight Rider for example |
| 09:51 | <Mchl> | extremely funny |
| 09:52 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | well, you can't do much wrong when synchronizing KITT :p |
| 09:52 | <SmatZ> | :-) |
| 09:53 | <Mchl> | still... german speaking Hasselhoff... lol... it somehow desn't fit, even if his surname fits... |
| 09:53 | <Touqen> | Don't hassle the hoff! |
| 09:53 | <Mchl> | ;) |
| 09:54 | <Ammler> | K.I.T.T was cool :-) |
| 09:54 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | well, it does fit if you are 7 years old and have never heard any other language before |
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| 09:54 | <Mchl> | yeah, probably |
| 09:54 | <@Bjarni> | <Eddi|zuHause2> ... like one actor speaking all persons <-- this is how Danish TV decided on dubbing all Astrid Lindgren TV series >_< |
| 09:54 | <@Bjarni> | it sounds so bad |
| 09:55 | <Mchl> | but it is so cheap |
| 09:55 | <@Bjarni> | and you can hear Swedish in the background |
| 09:55 | <@Belugas> | Roujin, now i am |
| 09:55 | <Sacro> | bork bork bork |
| 09:55 | <@Bjarni> | and I'm like "why dub Swedish into Danish when you do it so badly?" |
| 09:56 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | hm, temperature suddenly dropped by 5 degrees and it's starting to rain |
| 09:56 | <Roujin> | hi there belugas.. you remember the editor lighthouse/desert issue i mentioned yesterday? |
| 09:56 | <@Bjarni> | and to make it perfect they selected semi famous people to dub (keeping the price down remember) and they picked people who I don't like |
| 09:56 | <@Bjarni> | Eddi|zuHause2: do you want to switch weather? Here it's sunny |
| 09:56 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | you have the internets, get the original :p |
| 09:56 | <@Bjarni> | and we lack water |
| 09:57 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | it was sunny, 30 seconds ago |
| 09:57 | <Roujin> | I made a patch to seperate it into two buttons which are at the same position, and the appropriate one is shown, the other hidden (i think this is the right way to do it..) |
| 09:57 | <@Bjarni> | <Eddi|zuHause2> you have the internets, get the original :p <-- alternatively I just point the TV antenna towards Sweden |
| 09:57 | <Roujin> | but should they keep the same hotkey? |
| 09:57 | <@Bjarni> | which is already done |
| 09:57 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | that'd not do any good with a sattelite dish :p |
| 09:58 | <@Belugas> | Roujin, not really... yesterday has been buzy as hell. care to refresh my memory? |
| 09:58 | <Roujin> | sure.. |
| 09:58 | <@Bjarni> | if I get high enough (like if I cut all trees and is on the roof) then I can see the Swedish transmitter in the horizon. The signal quality of a normal antenna is... good enough for me ;) |
| 09:59 | <Roujin> | editor -> landscaping window has a button that is "overloaded" for tropical climate |
| 09:59 | <@Belugas> | strange to read that from Bjarni: "If I get high enough..." |
| 09:59 | <Roujin> | normally it is used for placing lighthouses, in tropic it places desert area |
| 09:59 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | you could get up a hi... wait... forget i said anything :p |
| 09:59 | <@Bjarni> | in fact I have more Swedish than Danish channels and less noise on the Swedish channels |
| 09:59 | <@Bjarni> | sounds like I'm in Sweden or something :s |
| 10:00 | <@Belugas> | oh... yeah, Roujin, i remember. so? waht about it? |
| 10:00 | <@Bjarni> | lol @ Belugas |
| 10:00 | <@Bjarni> | not that kind of high :P |
| 10:00 | <SmatZ> | :-D |
| 10:00 | <Roujin> | well, i've split them up in my patch, into seperate widgets, of which one is shown, the other hidden |
| 10:01 | <@Bjarni> | getting that kind of high while you are on the roof sounds somewhat unsafe |
| 10:01 | <Roujin> | now i wonder how i should do the hotkeys: up until now, both functions have 'U' as hotkey - which is logical since it's only one button. |
| 10:02 | <Roujin> | should I keep the same hotkey for the both of them, assuming that it will never be possible to have lighthouses and desert in one climate? |
| 10:03 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | it's a dangerous assumption, if you can easily avoid it |
| 10:03 | <Roujin> | or seperate them to 'U' and 'I', of which one will be defunct in either one of tropic/other climates |
| 10:03 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i mean, you don't have to actively prepare everything for multi-climate worlds, but you don't have to actively work against it either |
| 10:03 | <hylje> | Bjarni: is it news that danes are lamers |
| 10:04 | <@Bjarni> | o_O |
| 10:04 | <hylje> | there's even a lolland in there |
| 10:04 | <@Bjarni> | lol |
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| 10:04 | <Roujin> | current hotkeys for that window are 'D' for dynamite, then QWERTYUI for the rest |
| 10:04 | <@Bjarni> | I have to remember that one :D |
| 10:04 | <@Bjarni> | since I know people living there |
| 10:07 | <@Belugas> | Roujin, you've created new guis?? |
| 10:08 | <Roujin> | erm, I changed the existing gui a bit |
| 10:08 | <@Belugas> | by the way, i am trying to find a decent way, with the new class window system, to have hotkeys and widget numbers linked and automatically chosen whenever available |
| 10:08 | <@Belugas> | not sure how, but fiddling with the idea |
| 10:08 | <Roujin> | I changed the one button that up until now is used for both lighthouse and desert, to two buttons |
| 10:08 | <Roujin> | of which one is used for each fuction |
| 10:09 | <@Belugas> | Roujin, right now, i cannot "think" nor approve nor read intelligently |
| 10:09 | <Roujin> | they have the same location, and the one not available in the current climate is hidden. |
| 10:09 | <Roujin> | okay :D |
| 10:09 | <@Belugas> | but pm me your ideas, i'll try to get the time for them |
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| 10:17 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | hotkeys in the config file!! |
| 10:18 | <@Belugas> | bugger :S |
| 10:18 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | NewCustomizableHotkeys!! |
| 10:18 | <@Belugas> | I HAD THAT IDEA BEFORE YA!! |
| 10:18 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | NOWAI! |
| 10:18 | <Forked> | shit.. |
| 10:18 | <@Bjarni> | please |
| 10:18 | <Forked> | caps lock day again :) |
| 10:18 | <@Bjarni> | not here |
| 10:18 | <Rubidium> | and Maedhros will have it implemented partly before you |
| 10:19 | <@Bjarni> | find a toilet instead |
| 10:19 | <Forked> | but |
| 10:19 | <Forked> | :( |
| 10:19 | <@Bjarni> | toilets aren't for buts, but for butts |
| 10:22 | <@peter1138> | hmm, i need to set up gutters to fill my waterbutt |
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| 10:24 | <@Belugas> | go Maedhros go! |
| 10:24 | <@Belugas> | water butt? |
| 10:24 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | different kind of butt :p |
| 10:25 | * | Belugas is too insane for IRC today |
| 10:25 | * | Belugas hides for a while |
| 10:25 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | probably related to german "bottich", which would make it a tub/barrel kind of thing |
| 10:28 | <Roujin> | in german, "butt" exists as well |
| 10:28 | <Roujin> | but it means a kind of fish |
| 10:28 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | http://dict.leo.org/?search=butt <- that is an awfull lot of completely unrelated meanings :p |
| 10:29 | <Roujin> | there's even a book, named "der Butt" :P |
| 10:29 | <planetmaker> | I wonder, was the maximum length of a line for ingame chat shortened? |
| 10:29 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | a "Butt" is a main character in one of Grimms tales |
| 10:30 | <@Bjarni> | a "Butthead" is a main character is some MTV cartoon show |
| 10:30 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | they did not derive that from the german meaning :p |
| 10:30 | <@Bjarni> | are you sure? |
| 10:31 | <@Bjarni> | I'm not going to try but I guess if we google for "Butt" then we will see only one meaning |
| 10:31 | <SmatZ> | yeah, googlinf |
| 10:32 | <SmatZ> | googling for images with butt brings expected results |
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| 10:33 | <murr4y> | like this? http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/18/mythbustedmz3.jpg |
| 10:34 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | that can never be safe for work :p |
| 10:34 | <@Bjarni> | I'm not going to click that one |
| 10:34 | <murr4y> | it's not :D |
| 10:34 | <SmatZ> | :-D |
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| 10:35 | <@Bjarni> | in a perfect world everything on the internet is safe for work |
| 10:35 | <murr4y> | a perfect world cannot have an internet without porn! :O |
| 10:35 | <planetmaker> | hehe. Desire and reality sometimes clash hard |
| 10:36 | <@Bjarni> | murr4y: you presume too much |
| 10:36 | <@Bjarni> | a perfect world might alter what is defined as safe for work |
| 10:36 | <@Bjarni> | but |
| 10:36 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | yeah, if you cannot change one end, change the other end :p |
| 10:36 | <@Bjarni> | no porn might actually be an interesting way to go |
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| 10:37 | <murr4y> | :p |
| 10:37 | <@Bjarni> | in a perfect world that aren't any talking skulls |
| 10:38 | <@Bjarni> | because people don't do drugs |
| 10:38 | <murr4y> | hey |
| 10:38 | <murr4y> | are you insinuating that guybrush was on drugs during monkey island? |
| 10:39 | <@Bjarni> | he was on drugs in order to find monkey island in the first place |
| 10:39 | <@Bjarni> | he mixed stuff and then he had a blackout |
| 10:39 | <@Bjarni> | and there it was... Monkey Island |
| 10:39 | <@Bjarni> | sorry |
| 10:39 | <@Bjarni> | Monkey Island™ |
| 10:39 | <murr4y> | rofl |
| 10:39 | <murr4y> | but finding me wasn't him dreaming! |
| 10:40 | <@Bjarni> | no |
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| 10:40 | <@Bjarni> | it were the guys at Lucasarts dreaming |
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| 10:51 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i remember my brother (who was like 7 or 8 back then) who wanted to have a 3rd part where you run around the theme park (from the end of part 2) :p |
| 10:52 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | hm... |
| 10:52 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | "Orginaltitel: Monkey Island 2 - LeChuck's Revenge; Erschienen: 1991; Sprache: deutsch; Altersempfehlung: ab 16 (Fragt nicht wieso, wir wissen es auch nicht)" <- result from google |
| 10:53 | <murr4y> | haha |
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| 11:00 | <@Bjarni> | I guess 16 because it contains black magic and voodoo dolls |
| 11:01 | <@Bjarni> | and drunken pirates |
| 11:01 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | well, part 1 is 12 |
| 11:01 | <@Belugas> | wow... |
| 11:02 | <@Belugas> | Getting high, now, getting drunk! |
| 11:02 | <@Belugas> | What a day :D |
| 11:02 | <murr4y> | yeah if i had a 15 year old son, now way if i'd let him play mi2 |
| 11:02 | <Gekz> | mi2? |
| 11:02 | <Gekz> | oh |
| 11:02 | <Gekz> | monkey island |
| 11:02 | <Gekz> | stupid question |
| 11:02 | <murr4y> | ;) |
| 11:03 | <murr4y> | s/now/no/ |
| 11:04 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | well, i was like 12 or so ;) |
| 11:04 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | and it did not hurt me a bit :p |
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| 11:05 | <murr4y> | well we all see how you ended up |
| 11:05 | <Gekz> | lol pwned |
| 11:06 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | it hardly couts as "pwned" if i provoked that exact answer :p |
| 11:06 | <murr4y> | :D |
| 11:07 | <@Bjarni> | <Eddi|zuHause2> and it did not hurt me a bit :p <-- you didn't notice what happened but the rest of us can tell |
| 11:08 | <@Bjarni> | now I know why it's 16 while the first one is 12 |
| 11:09 | <@Bjarni> | ghosts gives a min age of 12 while rotting corpses gives a min age of 16 as they smell worse |
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| 11:09 | <@Bjarni> | doorbell |
| 11:09 | <@Bjarni> | brb or bbl |
| 11:09 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | but part 1 did have a rotting corpse |
| 11:10 | <Roujin> | sorry for my sudden disappearance |
| 11:10 | <Roujin> | my wlan decided not to work anymore suddenly |
| 11:11 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | http://www.myvideo.de/watch/996416/Monkey_Island_2_LucasArts_Hotline <- lmao :p |
| 11:11 | <murr4y> | haha i remember that |
| 11:12 | <murr4y> | it's german :/ |
| 11:12 | <murr4y> | after 5 years with learning german in school i still barely understand it :p |
| 11:14 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | well, it starts with: "don't try to call this number from germany" :p |
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| 11:15 | <[1]Roujin> | something is seriously wrong with my pc right now >< |
| 11:16 | <murr4y> | sounds like a bad case of windows :/ |
| 11:16 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | and the second question is "where do all these stupid jokes come from?" - "we don't have anything to do with the german jokes. the translator had to come up with them on his own. rumor says he constantly cursed about the untranslatable english jokes" :p |
| 11:17 | <murr4y> | hahaha |
| 11:17 | <hylje> | the funniest joke ever |
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| 11:18 | <Prof_Frink> | Pfft |
| 11:18 | <Prof_Frink> | Everyone *knows* the Germans have no sense of humour. |
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| 11:19 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | at some time i'll actually have to play these games in english |
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| 11:23 | <[1]Roujin> | Belugas: I've added the thing I was talking about earlier to flyspray. |
| 11:23 | <@Belugas> | hehe... |
| 11:24 | <@Belugas> | that is like calling over the phone to ask if i've received the email ! |
| 11:24 | <@Belugas> | lol |
| 11:24 | <@Belugas> | thanks :) |
| 11:31 | <@peter1138> | happens all the time :( |
| 11:34 | <Touqen> | MONKEY! |
| 11:34 | <Touqen> | :x |
| 11:34 | <@Belugas> | yeah... we cannot procrastinate quietly anymore... |
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| 11:35 | <Touqen> | I procastinate openly and with vigor. |
| 11:35 | <Touqen> | I AM CURRENTLY PROCASTINATING! |
| 11:35 | <Touqen> | Feel my procastiwrath! |
| 11:38 | <hylje> | ! |
| 11:40 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | "pro casting"... is that an <insert country> idol fan? |
| 11:40 | <@peter1138> | postgresqling |
| 11:41 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i tried that... it was the worst idea in my life! (well, almost) |
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| 11:52 | <Touqen> | Err.. I meant "procrastiwrath". |
| 11:53 | <Touqen> | Damned fingers have betrayed me again. |
| 11:56 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | punish them! |
| 11:56 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | off with their heads! |
| 11:57 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: smatz * r13221 /trunk/src/ai/default/default.cpp: -Fix (r8747): old AI failed to build oil rig routes |
| 12:05 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/111996 |
| 12:09 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: smatz * r13222 /trunk/src/ (ai/default/default.cpp table/ai_rail.h): -Change: allow old AI building helistations and helidepots for oil rig routes |
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| 12:19 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: glx * r13223 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_bridge.cpp ai_tunnel.cpp): [NoAI] -Fix (r13212): tunnels and bridges were not tram aware |
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| 12:56 | <Wolf01> | hello |
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| 14:16 | <murr4y> | http://www.vimeo.com/173714 |
| 14:16 | <murr4y> | that would be a cool place to work |
| 14:17 | <murr4y> | and the first girl is damn cute |
| 14:17 | <Mchl> | freakin' Ubuntu |
| 14:17 | <Mchl> | won't play these videos |
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| 14:18 | <@Belugas> | yurk... a tie |
| 14:18 | * | Mchl goes in serch of iMac |
| 14:18 | * | Belugas would not work with a tie on a daily basis...no way... |
| 14:19 | <Sacro> | she can come sit on my flagpole |
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| 14:25 | <@Belugas> | 563 downloads of 0.6.1 rc2 for win32, and 1045 in total |
| 14:25 | <@Belugas> | not bad |
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| 14:28 | <Touqen> | Another X-Files movie?! |
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| 14:44 | <Maedhros> | i don't remember that guy ever speaking, but i always recognise him instantly when he leaves... |
| 14:44 | <Touqen> | heh |
| 14:44 | <Touqen> | I want to know what it is that he is talking about. |
| 14:48 | <@Belugas> | mmh... |
| 14:48 | <@Belugas> | not me |
| 14:48 | <@Belugas> | not really |
| 14:48 | <@Belugas> | not at all, in fact |
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| 14:50 | <SmatZ> | @seen a1270 |
| 14:50 | <@DorpsGek> | SmatZ: a1270 was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 8 hours, 58 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: * a1270 had forgotten he was going to do that |
| 14:50 | <Mchl> | I googled it. It's a comment to a movie on IMdB |
| 14:51 | <murr4y> | copyright infringement! |
| 14:51 | <Mchl> | Don't know if comments are copyrighted... And then it could be his own :P |
| 14:53 | <Touqen> | Author: EVOL666 from St. John's Abortion Clinic <-- The person who posted the comment. |
| 14:56 | <Touqen> | Apparently the comment was made about some weird 1972 japanese movie. |
| 14:57 | <Prof_Frink> | Aaah, those crazy japs |
| 14:57 | <Prof_Frink> | What will they think of next? |
| 14:58 | <Touqen> | They've actually already thought of everything. |
| 14:58 | <Touqen> | They keep their ideas locked up in a giant vault deep within Mt Fuji. |
| 14:58 | <Touqen> | They pull them out periodically and share them with the world. |
| 14:59 | <Mchl> | makes me wonder, if they do it randomly, or using some kind of system |
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| 15:14 | <frosch123> | having different keyboard layouts at home and at work is plain hell |
| 15:15 | <@Bjarni> | having one keyboardlayout at home, one at the lab and a 3rd one when I connect to the lab from home is a real pain |
| 15:15 | <@Bjarni> | specially because #1 and #3 are the same physical keyboard |
| 15:17 | <@Bjarni> | <Prof_Frink> What will they think of next? <--- today they broadcasted a recording of a flying fish |
| 15:18 | <@Bjarni> | you know one of those jumping fish from the Pacific Ocean |
| 15:18 | <@Bjarni> | it broke the known record for those fish to be jumping/flying in the air by 3 sec |
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| 15:18 | <@Bjarni> | so now the record is 45 sec outside the water |
| 15:19 | <@Bjarni> | what the next thing they will come up with... well I have no idea |
| 15:19 | <Prof_Frink> | With any luck it'll be giant robots |
| 15:20 | <@Bjarni> | I saw some Japanese robots and androids on TV a few days ago |
| 15:20 | <@Bjarni> | they talked about a test where people had a brief moment to tell if an android was a human or an android |
| 15:20 | <Prof_Frink> | Were they the size of skyscrapers, with miniguns, lasers and flamethrowers? |
| 15:20 | <@Bjarni> | when it moved more than 50% classified it as a human |
| 15:21 | <@Bjarni> | they were human sized |
| 15:21 | <Prof_Frink> | Are you classified as human? |
| 15:21 | <Mchl> | no fun |
| 15:21 | <@Bjarni> | otherwise they can't hide in the normal population until they activate their killer weapons |
| 15:21 | <Mchl> | i want my personal EVA01 unit |
| 15:21 | <@Bjarni> | or hide again afterwards |
| 15:22 | <@Bjarni> | <Prof_Frink> Are you classified as human? <--- is your opinion of me so dim that you can even ask if I'm classified as something like that??? |
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| 15:22 | <Prof_Frink> | No, I expected you to complete the quote. |
| 15:22 | <@Bjarni> | but maybe that's how humans like to think |
| 15:23 | <@Bjarni> | Prof_Frink: that would be a human quote, no doubt |
| 15:23 | <@Bjarni> | otherwise I would know it |
| 15:23 | <Mchl> | maybe question should be: do you classify yourself as a human?... now I'd better don;t ask that myself, or I will go into infinite loop |
| 15:24 | <@Bjarni> | sometimes I end up being in loops |
| 15:24 | <Prof_Frink> | Bjarni: Seriously, you don't know that quote? |
| 15:24 | <@Bjarni> | and repeat myself |
| 15:24 | <@Bjarni> | like I wake up every day |
| 15:24 | <@Bjarni> | Prof_Frink: I have never seen it before |
| 15:25 | <@Bjarni> | but it sounds nice |
| 15:25 | <@Bjarni> | where is it from? |
| 15:25 | <Prof_Frink> | The Fifth Element |
| 15:25 | <Prof_Frink> | Bruce Willis' response is "Negative, I am a meat popsicle." |
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| 15:27 | <@Bjarni> | The Fifth Element? |
| 15:27 | <@Bjarni> | never seen that one |
| 15:28 | <Touqen> | You should watch it. |
| 15:28 | <Touqen> | good movie. |
| 15:28 | <Touqen> | It's kind of long though |
| 15:28 | <@Bjarni> | and I don't think I will watch Bruce Willis in the role of a meat popsicle |
| 15:29 | <@Bjarni> | sounds like a weird movie |
| 15:29 | <Touqen> | It's sci fi. |
| 15:29 | <@Bjarni> | that not the same as it's supposed to be weird |
| 15:29 | <Touqen> | It's got Milla Jovovich in it. |
| 15:29 | <Mchl> | that's a good movie, I second that |
| 15:30 | <Mchl> | worth seeing |
| 15:30 | <Prof_Frink> | It's got Milla Jovovich wearing very little in it. |
| 15:37 | <@peter1138> | god yes |
| 15:42 | <Prof_Frink> | Well, that's sorted one question |
| 15:48 | <@peter1138> | what? |
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| 16:13 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | <Maedhros> i don't remember that guy ever speaking, but i always recognise him instantly when he leaves... <- i do remember that he spoke, if only to explain his quitmessage, though :p |
| 16:14 | <ln> | who? |
| 16:15 | <Touqen> | a1270 |
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| 16:27 | <dragonhorseboy> | hey |
| 16:29 | <Touqen> | is for horsies |
| 16:29 | <hylje> | ponies |
| 16:30 | <dragonhorseboy> | very funny |
| 16:30 | <dragonhorseboy> | so how're both of you? |
| 16:30 | <Sacro> | ZOMG PONIES |
| 16:31 | <murr4y> | http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg |
| 16:31 | <hylje> | :< |
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| 16:33 | <Touqen> | That reminds me to go look at icanhascheezeburger |
| 16:34 | <Sacro> | !seen Bjarni |
| 16:34 | <Sacro> | @seen Bjarni |
| 16:34 | <@DorpsGek> | Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Bjarni> that not the same as it's supposed to be weird |
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| 16:43 | <Mark> | evening |
| 16:44 | <Mark> | imho the max. line length is way too short in the latest nightly |
| 16:44 | <@Belugas> | max line lenght... care to expand on the subject? |
| 16:49 | <@Belugas> | Mark? I'm talking to you. |
| 16:49 | <@Belugas> | ping! |
| 16:50 | <Mark> | sorry |
| 16:51 | <Mark> | the maximum amount of characters you can type on a single line in multiplayer |
| 16:51 | <Mark> | .. is too low, imho |
| 16:51 | <@Belugas> | ha... that is better |
| 16:51 | <Mark> | :) |
| 16:51 | <+glx> | limited by packet size I think |
| 16:51 | <@Belugas> | it has changed recently? |
| 16:51 | <Mark> | it changed only recently |
| 16:51 | <Mark> | yes |
| 16:51 | <@Belugas> | mmh |
| 16:51 | <Mark> | it wasnt this low in r13032, it is in r13210 |
| 16:52 | <@Belugas> | eeek... |
| 16:52 | <@Belugas> | 178 revisions to check :S |
| 16:52 | <+glx> | can you try to find when it happened? |
| 16:52 | <Mark> | i'll try |
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| 17:05 | <Mchl> | r13042 does something to NetworkChatWindow |
| 17:07 | <Sacro> | HAX |
| 17:10 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | yeah, i need something to eat |
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| 17:27 | <@Bjarni> | Sacro: don't highlight me while I'm hiding |
| 17:29 | <Touqen> | You could just not respond... |
| 17:29 | <Sacro> | Bjarni: don't highlight me either |
| 17:29 | <Sacro> | pfft |
| 17:33 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | Sacro, Bjarni, you know deep down in your harts that you love each other... you sure act like it :p |
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| 17:34 | * | Sacro cuddles Bjarni |
| 17:34 | <@Bjarni> | yikes |
| 17:35 | <Mchl> | whoever localised my IRC client, screwed up his job |
| 17:35 | <@Bjarni> | heh |
| 17:35 | <@Bjarni> | like the English translation of Simutrans? |
| 17:36 | <@Bjarni> | it has German words in it |
| 17:36 | <@Bjarni> | the Danish translation has half the strings in German |
| 17:36 | <Mchl> | nah... but it just said you were kicked by Sacro |
| 17:36 | <@Bjarni> | lol |
| 17:36 | <Mchl> | well almost, because it also failed to use proper grammar |
| 17:37 | <@Bjarni> | well when I test Simutrans (yes I do that once in a while but not often) then I'm happy that I actually know German |
| 17:37 | <@Bjarni> | I was about to ask you what it said but that would be pointless |
| 17:38 | <@Bjarni> | I don't know Polish |
| 17:38 | <Mchl> | :) |
| 17:38 | <@Bjarni> | which created a rather interesting situation last year |
| 17:38 | <Mchl> | in general it failed at using passive voice properly |
| 17:39 | <Mchl> | nah... that's not passive voice... |
| 17:39 | <@Bjarni> | some Polish workers dug up the sidewalk outside my house and those workers knew only Polish |
| 17:39 | <@Bjarni> | which made communication a bit tricky |
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| 17:40 | <Mchl> | I'm sure they knew Danish very well |
| 17:40 | <Mchl> | in fact, they were spies, and only pretended to be clueless |
| 17:40 | <Mchl> | :P |
| 17:41 | <@Bjarni> | we did have to communicate with them once in a while though |
| 17:41 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | lot's of spies out there now ;) |
| 17:41 | <@Bjarni> | because of all the houses on the road only our driveway caused problems |
| 17:42 | <Mchl> | they were probably infiltrating OpenTTD development center, so that polish national rail comapny could benefit of its technology |
| 17:43 | <@Bjarni> | they worked really hard on repairing it (took days) and in the end when they were nearly done and we could see that it would look really good I found a Polish dictionary and figured out how to write "good job" or something like that and wrote it down and gave them the note |
| 17:43 | <@Bjarni> | they became really happy |
| 17:43 | <Mchl> | nice of you :) |
| 17:43 | <@Bjarni> | I had no clue on how to actually say what I wrote though |
| 17:44 | <Mchl> | "dobra robota" was it? |
| 17:44 | <@Bjarni> | no |
| 17:44 | <@Bjarni> | hmm |
| 17:44 | <@Bjarni> | I don't think so |
| 17:44 | <@Bjarni> | but I can't remember |
| 17:45 | <Mchl> | well, if you ever recall it, ask me and I'll tell you how to say it :) |
| 17:45 | <@Bjarni> | ok |
| 17:45 | <@Bjarni> | I think the impact on such a note were greater than usual because they knew that nobody in the area speak Polish |
| 17:46 | <Sacro> | http://www.b3ta.com/links/Russian_Hip_Hop |
| 17:46 | <@Bjarni> | meaning they knew that somebody actually spent time figuring out how to write Polish |
| 17:46 | <Mchl> | probably |
| 17:50 | <@Bjarni> | oh another story involving Polish. I was standing in a crowd where everybody had high visibility vests (those orange thing railroad workers wear) on and a lorry stopped |
| 17:50 | <@Bjarni> | the driver then said something in Polish and nobody understood him |
| 17:50 | <@Bjarni> | his solution: say the very same thing except this time he said it louder |
| 17:50 | <Mchl> | how did you know it was Polish? Is it that recognizable? |
| 17:51 | <@Bjarni> | we presume it to be Polish when we don't understand it :P |
| 17:51 | <Mchl> | lol... like in Terry's Pratchett book |
| 17:51 | <@Bjarni> | besides the license plate also gave us a clue |
| 17:51 | <Mchl> | yeah... that's a clue :) |
| 17:52 | <@Bjarni> | we (the locals) agreed that he wasn't supposed to be on the railroad area so we pointed to a place where he could turn around |
| 17:52 | <@Bjarni> | so he drove to that place and came back a moment later, very happy and waving |
| 17:52 | <Mchl> | his line of reasoning: guys in HV vests! must be Poles! :D |
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| 17:53 | <@Bjarni> | maybe |
| 17:53 | <@Bjarni> | but I would presume people in HV vests standing somewhere with tracks everywhere and railroad logo on the back to be railroad workers |
| 17:54 | <@Bjarni> | and they are usually locals |
| 17:54 | <Mchl> | you must know railroad logo first ;) |
| 17:54 | <@Bjarni> | it was actually right outside the main locomotive repairshop in Copenhagen |
| 17:55 | <@Bjarni> | <Mchl> you must know railroad logo first ;) <-- it's a wheel with wings.... it's a symbol of a railroad even to people who haven't seen it before |
| 17:56 | <@Bjarni> | http://www.jernbaneklub.dk/hovedstadsomraadet/vingehjul.gif <-- somewhat like this except the wheel were bigger |
| 17:56 | <@Bjarni> | this combined with track everywhere (including on the road) and locomotives parked everywhere should give a clue that this could be railroad crew |
| 17:57 | <Mchl> | yeah... probably it should |
| 17:57 | <Mchl> | trams in warsaw have similar logo |
| 17:58 | <Mchl> | with ligtnings though |
| 17:58 | <@Bjarni> | makes sense for a system using catenary |
| 17:58 | <Mchl> | http://www.exegroup.pl/images/klient-tramwaje-warszawskie.jpg |
| 17:58 | <@Bjarni> | our symbol is a leftover from the steam era |
| 17:59 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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| 17:59 | <@Bjarni> | damn |
| 18:00 | <@Bjarni> | what a weird channel |
| 18:00 | <@Bjarni> | nobody asked me what I was doing there :P |
| 18:00 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | don't act like you have any catenary :p |
| 18:00 | <@Bjarni> | I didn't plan on standing there guiding lost lorry drivers |
| 18:01 | <Mchl> | oh...is it not your regular job? |
| 18:01 | <Mchl> | ;P |
| 18:01 | <@Bjarni> | we have a 1500 V DC catenary set and a 25 kV AC catenary set |
| 18:01 | <Mchl> | 25kV? |
| 18:01 | <@Bjarni> | yeah |
| 18:01 | <@Bjarni> | 25.000 V |
| 18:02 | <@Bjarni> | basically it means "don't get near" |
| 18:02 | <@Bjarni> | as it can jump 3 cm or so though air |
| 18:02 | <@Bjarni> | and more if it's a wet weather or the air contains ions or something |
| 18:02 | <@Bjarni> | safety distance is actually 1,75 m |
| 18:03 | <@Bjarni> | and it's 5 meters if they fall down |
| 18:03 | <Mchl> | i can imagine that |
| 18:03 | <@Bjarni> | <Mchl> oh...is it not your regular job? <-- I'm an engineering student so no |
| 18:04 | <Mchl> | so am I :P |
| 18:04 | <@Bjarni> | nice |
| 18:04 | <@Bjarni> | are you as good as I am? |
| 18:04 | <Mchl> | what is this 25kV catenary for? |
| 18:04 | <@Bjarni> | if you answer my question then I will answer yours |
| 18:05 | <@Bjarni> | :P |
| 18:05 | <Mchl> | I should've passed my final exams two years ago, so I expect I'm pretty good at studying, but not finishing studies :P |
| 18:05 | <@Bjarni> | heh |
| 18:06 | <@Bjarni> | ok now I owe you an answer |
| 18:06 | <@Bjarni> | <Mchl> what is this 25kV catenary for? <-- it's for powering trains |
| 18:07 | <Mchl> | that's quite a lot... |
| 18:07 | <Mchl> | AFAIK rails on poland operate on 3kV |
| 18:07 | <@Bjarni> | sounds like DC |
| 18:07 | <@Bjarni> | the thing is that we got 1500 V DC in 1934 for EMUs in the Copenhagen area |
| 18:08 | <@Bjarni> | and everything else were using steam |
| 18:08 | <Mchl> | ah yes... DC of course |
| 18:08 | <@Bjarni> | then the railroads switched to diesel |
| 18:08 | <@Bjarni> | and in 1984 the first long distance catenary were put up |
| 18:09 | <@Bjarni> | at this time AC wasn't an issue for electric engines (it was in the 1930s) so AC was picked (50 Hz since it's easy to get) |
| 18:10 | <@Bjarni> | and as we all know U=RI and P=R*I*I so the powerloss is I^2 and unaffected by the voltage in the lines |
| 18:10 | <@Bjarni> | so you want high voltage and low current |
| 18:10 | <@Bjarni> | to minimise the loss |
| 18:11 | <@Bjarni> | the locomotives are then basically a big transformer |
| 18:11 | <@Bjarni> | to get high current and lower voltage as it's current that gives the forward force in the engine |
| 18:11 | <@Bjarni> | you can't use a transformer on DC supply |
| 18:12 | <Mchl> | pretty interesting |
| 18:12 | <@Bjarni> | ok you can today but not back then |
| 18:12 | <Mchl> | your locomotives have totalu diffirent construction than ours |
| 18:12 | <@Bjarni> | this means that the strongest locomotive we ever had is actually an electric one |
| 18:12 | <@Bjarni> | it has 8800 hp |
| 18:13 | <@Bjarni> | and is used to haul freight trains between Sweden and Germany |
| 18:13 | <@Bjarni> | of up to 2000 tons |
| 18:13 | <@Bjarni> | no DC catenary can deliver enough energy to do that |
| 18:14 | <@Bjarni> | the freight trains usually drive 100 km/h |
| 18:14 | <@Bjarni> | we lack a lot of catenary though :( |
| 18:15 | <Zuu> | At least most countries use mainly 1435mm track width, and then just various electricity systems. :) |
| 18:15 | <Mchl> | strongest electric locomotive polish rail operates would deliver some 6500HP |
| 18:15 | <Zuu> | Easier to make locomotives that goes on different electricity systems than different track widths. |
| 18:15 | <@Bjarni> | basically we only have on the line from Sweden to Germany (EU demanded that) and on the line from Copenhagen pointing north (since this is the line they used to test the system before building it at a large scale) |
| 18:15 | <@Bjarni> | this might change now though |
| 18:16 | <guru3> | i've got a bike. it's got one people power |
| 18:16 | <@Bjarni> | the railroad ordered intercity DMUs |
| 18:16 | <@Bjarni> | now they are 5 years late |
| 18:16 | <@Bjarni> | and still no good |
| 18:16 | <Mchl> | so it is mainly diesel? |
| 18:16 | <@Bjarni> | the factory have to deliver them within a year or the contact is off |
| 18:16 | <Prof_Frink> | Mchl: It'd have better traction if they didn't polish the rail so much. |
| 18:17 | <@Bjarni> | if the contract is off then electric trains are likely to be ordered instead and the politicians will find the money needed to put up catenary |
| 18:18 | <@Bjarni> | <Mchl> so it is mainly diesel? <-- yeah because the leftish politicians backed out of their own plan to put up catenary |
| 18:18 | <@Bjarni> | Prof_Frink: funny :) |
| 18:19 | <Mchl> | :P |
| 18:19 | <Sacro> | Prof_Frink: teehee |
| 18:19 | <Zuu> | No offence, but If you want to be little evil: Danish power is mostly coal, so diesel or electric powered trains is just the same in Denmark environment wise. ;) |
| 18:19 | <Mchl> | just found out, we have six locomotives with 7500HP power :D |
| 18:19 | * | Sacro enjoys polishing the rail |
| 18:19 | <@Bjarni> | arghhhh |
| 18:19 | <@Bjarni> | bug |
| 18:20 | <@Bjarni> | a big bug came flying and landed on my lips >_< |
| 18:20 | <Mchl> | quick! post in on flyspray! |
| 18:20 | <Mchl> | oh, that was horrible... |
| 18:20 | <Zuu> | But then, if environment certificated electricty exist in Denmark they could use that and say it's environment friendly. :) |
| 18:20 | <@Bjarni> | my quick actions made the bug go away already |
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| 18:21 | <@Bjarni> | Zuu: they talk about using power from windmills |
| 18:21 | <Zuu> | Ok |
| 18:21 | <@Bjarni> | nobody asked them what they will do on a day with no wind though |
| 18:21 | <Mchl> | wind powered trains... wonder haw that would sell |
| 18:22 | <Mchl> | how |
| 18:22 | <Sacro> | http://www.collegehumour.com/video:1816890 |
| 18:22 | <guru3> | passangers could bicycle it when there's no wind |
| 18:22 | <@Bjarni> | like right now |
| 18:22 | <@Bjarni> | the windmills only produce 116 MW right now |
| 18:22 | <@Bjarni> | they usually give like 1-2000 |
| 18:22 | <@Bjarni> | 2500 when it's a storm |
| 18:23 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | <Mchl> what is this 25kV catenary for? <- it is to comply to an EU regulation to electrify the route from germany to sweden, but they decided to not use the same system as both germany and sweden use (which both have 15kV) |
| 18:23 | <@Bjarni> | but right now the wind is around the trigger moment for them to just start producing anything |
| 18:23 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | 25kV is also standard in france (northern half, i believe) |
| 18:23 | <@Bjarni> | less than half of France |
| 18:24 | <@Bjarni> | and in some country in the East too |
| 18:24 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | the TGV system is 25kV, i think |
| 18:24 | <@Bjarni> | Slovenia I think |
| 18:24 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | Romania, i thought |
| 18:24 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | at least afair we sold our 25kV engines (from the Rübelandbahn) there |
| 18:25 | <@Bjarni> | normal Japanese gauge is 1067 mm and they use almost exclusively DC (1500 and 3000V). However Shinkansen have a railnet of it's own because they use a gauge of 1435 mm and 25 kV 50 Hz AC |
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| 18:25 | <Zuu> | In south of Sweden Malmö-Ystand they have wind-powered trains where they have put up a wind mill close to the track and a sign that the trains are powered by that wind mill. :) |
| 18:25 | <@Bjarni> | meaning that at least in theory we could use Shinkansen in Denmark without altering anything |
| 18:25 | <Zuu> | Ystad* |
| 18:25 | <@Bjarni> | Ystand :D |
| 18:26 | <Prof_Frink> | Whereas in the UK we could use donkeys and it would be an improvement |
| 18:26 | <@Bjarni> | we once had a visiting TGV in Copenhagen |
| 18:27 | <Sacro> | Prof_Frink: compared to hull women... |
| 18:27 | <@Bjarni> | some politicians paid a fortune to rent a TGV, an X2000, an ICE3 and some Italian train and put them on display |
| 18:27 | <@Bjarni> | since they wanted high speed trains in Denmark |
| 18:27 | <Prof_Frink> | Speaking of Shinky, orudge found something on the Top Gear Blog |
| 18:27 | <@Bjarni> | the only result was that I was able to try sitting in the driver's seat on a TGV |
| 18:28 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | how are the ICE-TD doing anyway? |
| 18:28 | <@Bjarni> | we didn't get any better trains or faster or anything |
| 18:28 | <@Bjarni> | Eddi|zuHause2: they were on the news the other day |
| 18:28 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | bad news? |
| 18:28 | <@Bjarni> | as the train with decent comfort |
| 18:28 | <ln> | had to install Thunderbird because Apple's Mail failedd |
| 18:28 | <@Bjarni> | meaning everything else is supposed to be really bad |
| 18:28 | <@Bjarni> | ln: o_O |
| 18:29 | <@Bjarni> | mail never failed on me |
| 18:29 | <ln> | Bjarni: IMAPS on a non-standard port... won't connect. |
| 18:29 | <guru3> | oh snap, when did 0.6.0 come out? |
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| 18:30 | <ln> | Bjarni: or actually, netstat says there is a connection, but Mail itself doesn't know it. |
| 18:30 | <Rubidium> | guru3: April 1st |
| 18:30 | <Mchl> | so ICE-TB goes for 'decent stadard' in Denmark? |
| 18:30 | <guru3> | well i'm behind... any good new features? |
| 18:31 | <Mchl> | an average long sistance polish train would be substadard i suppose |
| 18:31 | <Rubidium> | guru3: new features since when? |
| 18:31 | <guru3> | 0.5.0 i guess |
| 18:31 | <@Bjarni> | one sec... making some screenshots from the news broadcast where they talked about it |
| 18:31 | <guru3> | i think that's the last one i played |
| 18:31 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | guru3: there's a changelog ;) |
| 18:31 | <@Bjarni> | more or less by random I recorded it |
| 18:32 | <Zuu> | guru3: drive through stops, diagonal track under bridges (infact in any direction + signals), ... |
| 18:32 | <guru3> | sounds good |
| 18:32 | <Rubidium> | some more newgrf support |
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| 18:33 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | "some" like industries ;) |
| 18:33 | <guru3> | i'm still waiting for the new graphics i guess |
| 18:33 | <Rubidium> | like trams and new [cargos|houses|industries] |
| 18:33 | <Zuu> | more advanced Autosignal I think. |
| 18:33 | <guru3> | the 32bit stuff |
| 18:33 | <Mchl> | autoroad tool? |
| 18:33 | <Rubidium> | 0.6.0 has a 32bpp blitter |
| 18:33 | <guru3> | blitter? |
| 18:33 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | guru3: the functionality is there |
| 18:34 | <Rubidium> | it's just that there is absolutely no graphicset complete enough to be even thinking of including it |
| 18:34 | <guru3> | the very nature of 32bit requires cool graphics |
| 18:34 | <Zuu> | Also, oneway roads is in 0.6.0. |
| 18:34 | <guru3> | which i'm utterly incapable of creating myself |
| 18:35 | <Mchl> | http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Playing_with_32bpp_graphics |
| 18:35 | <@Bjarni> | http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/bn/inside.jpg http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/bn/outside.jpg <-- this is what they consider "old and bad trains" |
| 18:35 | <@Bjarni> | they are from 1971 |
| 18:36 | <@Bjarni> | even when they were 20 years old a tourist asked my mom if she had entered 1st class by mistake because she thought it was so good on the inside |
| 18:36 | <@Bjarni> | but now the very same train is crap according to the media |
| 18:37 | <@Bjarni> | but I guess ICE3-TD is better yes |
| 18:37 | <@Bjarni> | but also more expensive |
| 18:37 | <@Bjarni> | and I have to say that they did some detective job |
| 18:38 | <@Bjarni> | they managed to find a car with rust on it |
| 18:38 | <Mchl> | they would't have to look for it in Poland... |
| 18:39 | <@Bjarni> | what the story didn't tell is that the car they looked at was at the time they showed this already marked for scrapping within a year |
| 18:39 | <Mchl> | yeah, a bit unfair |
| 18:39 | <@Bjarni> | you don't fix severe rust problems like that and then scrap the car say 3 months later |
| 18:39 | <Mchl> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKP_class_EN57 |
| 18:40 | <Mchl> | here's mainly used rain for local service in poland |
| 18:40 | <Mchl> | most of them look like those on top photo |
| 18:40 | <Mchl> | usually with graffitti on sides |
| 18:41 | <@Bjarni> | they look a bit dated |
| 18:41 | <Mchl> | some of them have been renovated, as can beseen below |
| 18:41 | <@Bjarni> | but that's not the same as they are bad |
| 18:41 | <Mchl> | yup... 'dated' is the word |
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| 18:41 | <Mchl> | not really bad, and apparently you can rebuild them pretty easily into modern shape |
| 18:42 | <Mchl> | but in general they're poorly maintained |
| 18:43 | <Mchl> | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:14WE-03-1.jpg |
| 18:43 | <Mchl> | that's what can be build basing on these trains :) |
| 18:43 | <@Bjarni> | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:P%A5gat%A5g_p%A5_v%A4g_in_till_K%A4vlinge_station.jpg <-- Sweden uses this one. AFAIK it's dated too but still in fine technical condition and loved by both crew and passengers |
| 18:43 | <Sacro> | No file by this name exists. You can upload it. |
| 18:43 | <Sacro> | Image:P¥gat¥g p¥ v¤g in till K¤vlinge station.jpg |
| 18:44 | <@Bjarni> | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/P%A5gat%A5g_p%A5_v%A4g_in_till_K%A4vlinge_station.jpg |
| 18:44 | <Mchl> | yup... encoding problems |
| 18:44 | <Sacro> | Bjarni: 404 |
| 18:44 | * | Sacro slaps Bjarni with utf8 complience |
| 18:44 | <@Bjarni> | I type the right thing |
| 18:44 | <@Bjarni> | and then IRC change it and colours it green :s |
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| 18:45 | <@Bjarni> | I will find another pic of the same train |
| 18:45 | <@Bjarni> | http://tinyurl.com/4wuags <-- or better yet... this should also work |
| 18:46 | <Mchl> | yay! Milka train :P |
| 18:48 | <@Bjarni> | they have their limitations like you can't walk from one end to the other and such but generally they should be ok |
| 18:48 | <Mchl> | and look nice |
| 18:48 | <@Bjarni> | Zuu: can you support that statement? |
| 18:49 | <@Bjarni> | <Mchl> and look nice <-- they are refitted to get modern headlights and such |
| 18:49 | <@Bjarni> | the old ones looked a bit different |
| 18:49 | <Mchl> | just like polish EN57s |
| 18:49 | <Zuu> | Bjarni: Which statement? |
| 18:50 | <@Bjarni> | Pågatåg are good for the passengers and crew |
| 18:50 | <Mchl> | someof them even get new asynchronic engines |
| 18:50 | <Zuu> | Bjarni: Yep |
| 18:50 | <Zuu> | Pink and nice to ride :p |
| 18:50 | <Zuu> | Or more purple to be more exact. |
| 18:50 | <Mchl> | just don't let anyone from MTV see it |
| 18:51 | <Mchl> | ar they'll adopt it for another silly program |
| 18:51 | <@Bjarni> | <Mchl> someof them even get new asynchronic engines <-- DC engines has a max efficiency of 90%. Async engines (AC) has a max efficiency around 99% |
| 18:51 | <@Bjarni> | and are cheaper to maintain |
| 18:51 | <@Bjarni> | and are more durable |
| 18:51 | <@Bjarni> | so switching the engines can be good from an economical point of view |
| 18:52 | <@Bjarni> | Mchl: what kind of engineering are you studying? |
| 18:53 | <@Bjarni> | it's a simple question... I really hope you don't have to look it up :P |
| 18:54 | <Zuu> | At least the new trains will also be of the same purple colour, so passengers will not become totaly lost. :p |
| 18:54 | <@Bjarni> | heh |
| 18:55 | <@Bjarni> | when DSB got new white trains (old ones were red at the time) then I saw two old people waiting for the train. When the train looked wrong they didn't want to use it... they were waiting for a red train |
| 18:55 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r13224 /trunk/src/player_gui.cpp: -Fix (r13107): set the location of the old SelectPlayerFaceWindow when switching from simple to advanced or vice versa instead of letting the new window popup somewhere 'randomly'. |
| 18:55 | <guru3> | what!? they're not red anymore!? |
| 18:55 | <@Bjarni> | then somebody tried to convince them that it was a new train on the very same line |
| 18:56 | <@Bjarni> | guru3: now they are all sorts of colours |
| 18:56 | * | guru3 remembers when they were all red |
| 18:56 | <@Bjarni> | but mainly silver, blue or blue/white stripes |
| 18:56 | <guru3> | thought they'd all be red still |
| 18:56 | <@Bjarni> | * guru3 remembers when they were all red <-- those were the good old days |
| 18:57 | <guru3> | i was like... 6 |
| 18:57 | <guru3> | another childhood memory disillusioned :< |
| 18:57 | <@Bjarni> | somebody got the idea that red is the national colour so the trains shouldn't use it anymore as it changed from being the state railroad to a state owned railroad |
| 18:57 | <Sacro> | i miss british rail :( |
| 18:58 | <@Bjarni> | guru3: my train is in the original colours and you are always welcome to ride with me ;) |
| 18:58 | <guru3> | :> |
| 18:59 | <@Bjarni> | seriously |
| 18:59 | <@Bjarni> | we have the tickets as the only income |
| 18:59 | <guru3> | i'm... not exactly near denmark anymore |
| 18:59 | <guru3> | well |
| 18:59 | <guru3> | i'm close ish |
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| 18:59 | <guru3> | but it's more than a day trip |
| 18:59 | <@Bjarni> | but Sweden is just on the other side... |
| 19:00 | <guru3> | i'm studying at university in england now |
| 19:00 | <@Bjarni> | ... |
| 19:00 | <@Bjarni> | why? |
| 19:00 | <guru3> | because i don't speak swedish |
| 19:00 | <Rubidium> | he wants to learn English? |
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| 19:00 | <guru3> | and no english UG programs in sweden |
| 19:00 | <Sacro> | guru3: which uni? |
| 19:01 | <guru3> | sheffield |
| 19:01 | <Sacro> | :o |
| 19:01 | <Sacro> | that's like, close |
| 19:01 | <guru3> | anything cool like regional openttd meets? |
| 19:01 | <@Bjarni> | <guru3> because i don't speak swedish <-- isn't that like common for young people in Sweden? |
| 19:01 | <guru3> | i only lived there 3 years |
| 19:02 | <Zuu> | Bjarni: What is the common language of young Swedes then? |
| 19:02 | <Rubidium> | b0rk? |
| 19:02 | <guru3> | lol |
| 19:02 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13225 /trunk/src/ (12 files): |
| 19:02 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: -Fix (r13041): Missing calls to FindWindowPlacementAndResize() from lots |
| 19:02 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: of windows causing 'two stage' opening effect. |
| 19:03 | <@Bjarni> | <Zuu> Bjarni: What is the common language of young Swedes then? <-- Swedish like Engrish? |
| 19:03 | <@peter1138> | sleep time now |
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| 19:03 | <@Bjarni> | guru3: what is your native language? |
| 19:04 | <guru3> | english |
| 19:04 | <@Bjarni> | how come you have a Telia DNS if you are in the UK? |
| 19:05 | <guru3> | i still have my computer on at home |
| 19:05 | <guru3> | ssh -> screen -> irssi -> oftc |
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| 19:06 | <@Bjarni> | how come you ended up in Sweden then? |
| 19:06 | <guru3> | mother's work |
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| 19:08 | <@Bjarni> | I'm sorry |
| 19:08 | <guru3> | 'twas only my highschool life |
| 19:09 | <@Bjarni> | but you were exposed |
| 19:09 | <guru3> | to swedes? |
| 19:09 | <@Bjarni> | yes |
| 19:09 | <@Bjarni> | just like me |
| 19:09 | <guru3> | lol |
| 19:09 | <Zuu> | :p |
| 19:09 | <Zuu> | Are we that bad? ;) |
| 19:09 | <guru3> | well, they're either not contagious or i have a natural immunity |
| 19:10 | <@Bjarni> | <Zuu> Are we that bad? ;) <-- yes |
| 19:10 | <@Bjarni> | at least at understanding Danish numbers |
| 19:10 | <Zuu> | hehe |
| 19:10 | <Zuu> | but then you use a weird system.. |
| 19:10 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | i have not been exposed to swedes yet |
| 19:10 | <guru3> | well... danish isn't too innocent either. it does have that o with the line through it |
| 19:10 | <@Bjarni> | ø |
| 19:11 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | øØ |
| 19:11 | <Zuu> | ö |
| 19:11 | <guru3> | don't get me started on those ones Zuu |
| 19:11 | <Zuu> | (with dots instead) |
| 19:11 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | öÖ? |
| 19:11 | <@Bjarni> | Zuu: I think you have seen it before so don't stare with your mouth open like that |
| 19:12 | <Zuu> | Bjarni: hehe .p |
| 19:12 | <Sacro> | русски! |
| 19:12 | <@Bjarni> | the guys who decided on the name for the bridge between Denmark and Sweden didn't think very well about it |
| 19:13 | <@Bjarni> | because they decided on Øresundsbron |
| 19:13 | <@Bjarni> | well enough |
| 19:13 | <@Bjarni> | except the first char is "Ø+¨", which isn't an UTF char |
| 19:14 | <@Bjarni> | so nobody can write it on computers |
| 19:14 | <@Bjarni> | now that's brilliant for a bridge that's so new that people already had computers and email when it was opened |
| 19:15 | <@Bjarni> | nobody can write the name of it.... |
| 19:15 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | you mean they combined Ö with Ø? |
| 19:15 | <@Bjarni> | yes |
| 19:15 | <@Bjarni> | a good idea on paper |
| 19:15 | <guru3> | all squares here |
| 19:15 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | what an exceptionally stupid idea :p |
| 19:15 | <@Bjarni> | but really bad on keyboards |
| 19:16 | * | guru3 muters about incomplete utf support |
| 19:18 | <@Bjarni> | hah |
| 19:18 | <@Bjarni> | they even have problems with it on their homepage |
| 19:18 | <guru3> | lol |
| 19:18 | <Zuu> | Yet people use the local version of Ö out of convenience |
| 19:19 | <@Bjarni> | if I see this creative letter anywhere then I will take a picture of it and show you guys |
| 19:20 | <Zuu> | And looks like the Danes got their Ø in practice on the website. :) |
| 19:22 | <@Bjarni> | no need |
| 19:22 | <guru3> | well |
| 19:22 | <@Bjarni> | http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X31K/malmo2001_02.jpg <-- found it |
| 19:22 | <guru3> | it seems turning utf8 on in screen |
| 19:22 | <guru3> | made it worse |
| 19:22 | <guru3> | instead of better |
| 19:22 | <Sacro> | heh |
| 19:23 | <Sacro> | guru3: what term are you using? |
| 19:23 | <guru3> | gnome-terminal |
| 19:23 | <Sacro> | i have to set putty to utf8 |
| 19:23 | <guru3> | screen |
| 19:23 | <Sacro> | echo $locale |
| 19:23 | <guru3> | then irssi |
| 19:23 | <Sacro> | and then make sure :utf8 on |
| 19:23 | <guru3> | is it bad that that variable isn't set? :S |
| 19:24 | <@Bjarni> | actually now that I think about it I think it's the trains that has that new letter while the bridge is officially spelled with Ø and ends on "bron" so it's a mix of Danish and Swedish |
| 19:24 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | $LOCALE? |
| 19:24 | <guru3> | nope |
| 19:24 | <guru3> | tried that next |
| 19:24 | <Sacro> | err |
| 19:24 | <Sacro> | just run locale? |
| 19:24 | <Sacro> | guru3: what distro? |
| 19:24 | <guru3> | gentoo |
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| 19:27 | <Sacro> | guru3: mmm, not sure |
| 19:27 | <guru3> | i'm not either really |
| 19:27 | <guru3> | oh well |
| 19:29 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 |
| 19:29 | <Eddi|zuHause2> | and lots of LC_* |
| 19:29 | <guru3> | LANG= |
| 19:29 | <guru3> | it's just blank |
| 19:30 | <Sacro> | :\ |
| 19:30 | <Sacro> | yeah, i use LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 |
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| 19:33 | <guru3> | well shit that worked |
| 19:33 | <guru3> | export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 19:33 | <guru3> | export LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 19:33 | <guru3> | put that in .bashrc |
| 19:34 | <@Bjarni> | damn |
| 19:34 | <guru3> | first time ive ever gotten full unicode support working |
| 19:34 | <guru3> | hurrah |
| 19:34 | <guru3> | "full" |
| 19:35 | <guru3> | in irc anyway |
| 19:35 | <@Bjarni> | I just typed .cm instead of .com and somebody actually owned the site I then ended up at |
| 19:35 | <@Bjarni> | and naturally they wanted to sell me something |
| 19:35 | <@Bjarni> | talk about bad business morale |
| 19:35 | <@Bjarni> | .cm is Cameroon btw |
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| 19:48 | <Zuu> | Night guys |
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| 19:54 | <@Bjarni> | time for bed |
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| 22:56 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: belugas * r13226 /trunk/src/ (16 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:56 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: -Feature: Allow to have more than only two airports per town. The number of airports is now controlled by the noise each of them generates, the distance from town's center and how tolerant the town is. |
| 22:56 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: Initial concept : TTDPatch (moreairpots), Initial code : Pasky |
| 22:56 | <CIA-3> | OpenTTD: Thanks to BigBB (help coding), Smatz Skidd13 and frosch for bugcatches and advices |
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