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---Logopened Fri May 23 00:00:03 2008
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02:11<Eddi|zuHause2>gaah... too early...
02:17<Ammler>indeed, way too...
02:29<hylje>way
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03:48<Mchl>hello
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04:38<Eddi|zuHause2>how much must go wrong so that "svn cleanup" tells me i have to run "svn cleanup" first?!?
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04:42<planetmaker>hehe^^
04:48<Gekz>Eddi|zuHause2: fucking pwned
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04:48<Gekz>lol
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04:52<CIA-3>OpenTTD: truebrain * r13218 /branches/noai/ (bin/ai/regression/run.sh src/ai/api/ai_log.cpp): [NoAI] -Add: added a [S/E/P/W/I] in front of DEBUG messages from AILog, to indicate the level of message (the one that goes to the stdout) (request by Mchl)
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05:18<CIA-3>OpenTTD: truebrain * r13219 /branches/noai/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AICargo.HasCargoClass(), which allows you to find, say, passenger-based cargo (tnx kuifware for the pointer!)
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05:46<CIA-3>OpenTTD: truebrain * r13220 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/regression.txt: [NoAI] -Fix r13219: it has been a while, but I forgot to commit the regression update ;)
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08:06<SmatZ>wow gcc 4.2.4
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08:19<@peter1138>wow?
08:20<hylje>WoW
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08:20<hylje>new compilers are so exciting
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08:21<@peter1138>ahhh
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08:22<SmatZ>:-)
08:22<SmatZ>openttd has much nicer changelog :)
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08:24<planetmaker>hehe
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08:46<@peter1138>hey
08:46<SmatZ>hello
08:50<Lakie>Afternoon
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08:55<Sacro>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Appeal_to_authority&oldid=210699360#Examples_of_appeals_to_authority number 7
08:56<hylje>perfectly valid
08:56<SmatZ>:-)
08:57<SmatZ>It’s On The Internet, It Must Be True!
08:58<planetmaker>loool :)
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09:07<Mchl>I'm sensing a logical problem
09:08<Mchl>should i believe it, or not?
09:09<SmatZ>no
09:14<Mchl>just, because someone on internet told me not to? :P
09:15<SmatZ>[14:57:19] <SmatZ> It’s On The Internet, It Must Be True!
09:17<Mchl>see? I can neither believe you or not.
09:17<planetmaker>Michl: it's no logical problem... - you just need an additional source and pure logic :)
09:18<Mchl>yep, additional source... varifiable I should add
09:18<planetmaker>^^
09:19<SmatZ>ask wikipedia :)
09:19<Mchl>and if you need additional source, ask google :D
09:20<SmatZ>:-)
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09:21<Roujin>cheers
09:22<SmatZ>hello
09:22<Mchl>hello
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09:26<@Bjarni>can anybody explain to me why somebody decided to port allegro to OSX for PPC only?
09:27<@Bjarni>and updated the port for 10.5 (read: when all new macs are x86 based)
09:30<Roujin>Belugas: are you there?
09:30*Bjarni wonders what will happen if he downloads the newest source tarball and compiles himself
09:31-!-GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You will never be the man your mother was!]
09:32*Mchl reads http://alleg.sourceforge.net/latestdocs/en/build/macosx.html
09:34<@Bjarni>surprisingly configure sets the CPU to pentium and then compilation fails because pentium is unknown
09:36*Bjarni declares the source screwed
09:40*Bjarni tries the experimental version instead
09:40<@Bjarni>but it appears silly if the experimental version works and the stable dies right away
09:42<@Bjarni>interesting
09:42<@Bjarni>they removed configure
09:42<@Bjarni>and the makefile appears to be borked :s
09:43*Bjarni discards allegro
09:43<@Bjarni>if it's that hard for them to get it to just compile then I don't trust the code itself :P
09:44<Eddi|zuHause2>hm... this german dub is... polish...
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09:46<Mchl>Eddi: ??
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09:46<Eddi|zuHause2>:p
09:47<Eddi|zuHause2>what i mean... i have a movie, which is dubbed... but really badly... like one actor speaking all persons
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09:47<Mchl>i see :)
09:48<Eddi|zuHause2>thus, like a polish dub ;)
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09:48<SmatZ>hehe
09:48<SmatZ>I like this
09:48<SmatZ>it sounds funny
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09:48<SmatZ>also, that neutral voice
09:49<SmatZ>with no excitement
09:49<Mchl>yup... pretty much like polish dubs :P
09:50<Mchl>though there have been some really well dubbed movies recently
09:50<Eddi|zuHause2>well, they do actually have a male and a female person in this movie ;)
09:50<Mchl>now that's one level above polish dubs
09:50<Eddi|zuHause2>yeah... but it's still far below any kind of "bad" german dub ;)
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09:51<Mchl>well... I remember watching some german dubbed movies whan I was a kid
09:51<Mchl>David Hasselhoff in Knight Rider for example
09:51<Mchl>extremely funny
09:52<Eddi|zuHause2>well, you can't do much wrong when synchronizing KITT :p
09:52<SmatZ>:-)
09:53<Mchl>still... german speaking Hasselhoff... lol... it somehow desn't fit, even if his surname fits...
09:53<Touqen>Don't hassle the hoff!
09:53<Mchl>;)
09:54<Ammler>K.I.T.T was cool :-)
09:54<Eddi|zuHause2>well, it does fit if you are 7 years old and have never heard any other language before
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09:54<Mchl>yeah, probably
09:54<@Bjarni><Eddi|zuHause2> ... like one actor speaking all persons <-- this is how Danish TV decided on dubbing all Astrid Lindgren TV series >_<
09:54<@Bjarni>it sounds so bad
09:55<Mchl>but it is so cheap
09:55<@Bjarni>and you can hear Swedish in the background
09:55<@Belugas>Roujin, now i am
09:55<Sacro>bork bork bork
09:55<@Bjarni>and I'm like "why dub Swedish into Danish when you do it so badly?"
09:56<Eddi|zuHause2>hm, temperature suddenly dropped by 5 degrees and it's starting to rain
09:56<Roujin>hi there belugas.. you remember the editor lighthouse/desert issue i mentioned yesterday?
09:56<@Bjarni>and to make it perfect they selected semi famous people to dub (keeping the price down remember) and they picked people who I don't like
09:56<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause2: do you want to switch weather? Here it's sunny
09:56<Eddi|zuHause2>you have the internets, get the original :p
09:56<@Bjarni>and we lack water
09:57<Eddi|zuHause2>it was sunny, 30 seconds ago
09:57<Roujin>I made a patch to seperate it into two buttons which are at the same position, and the appropriate one is shown, the other hidden (i think this is the right way to do it..)
09:57<@Bjarni><Eddi|zuHause2> you have the internets, get the original :p <-- alternatively I just point the TV antenna towards Sweden
09:57<Roujin>but should they keep the same hotkey?
09:57<@Bjarni>which is already done
09:57<Eddi|zuHause2>that'd not do any good with a sattelite dish :p
09:58<@Belugas>Roujin, not really... yesterday has been buzy as hell. care to refresh my memory?
09:58<Roujin>sure..
09:58<@Bjarni>if I get high enough (like if I cut all trees and is on the roof) then I can see the Swedish transmitter in the horizon. The signal quality of a normal antenna is... good enough for me ;)
09:59<Roujin>editor -> landscaping window has a button that is "overloaded" for tropical climate
09:59<@Belugas>strange to read that from Bjarni: "If I get high enough..."
09:59<Roujin>normally it is used for placing lighthouses, in tropic it places desert area
09:59<Eddi|zuHause2>you could get up a hi... wait... forget i said anything :p
09:59<@Bjarni>in fact I have more Swedish than Danish channels and less noise on the Swedish channels
09:59<@Bjarni>sounds like I'm in Sweden or something :s
10:00<@Belugas>oh... yeah, Roujin, i remember. so? waht about it?
10:00<@Bjarni>lol @ Belugas
10:00<@Bjarni>not that kind of high :P
10:00<SmatZ>:-D
10:00<Roujin>well, i've split them up in my patch, into seperate widgets, of which one is shown, the other hidden
10:01<@Bjarni>getting that kind of high while you are on the roof sounds somewhat unsafe
10:01<Roujin>now i wonder how i should do the hotkeys: up until now, both functions have 'U' as hotkey - which is logical since it's only one button.
10:02<Roujin>should I keep the same hotkey for the both of them, assuming that it will never be possible to have lighthouses and desert in one climate?
10:03<Eddi|zuHause2>it's a dangerous assumption, if you can easily avoid it
10:03<Roujin>or seperate them to 'U' and 'I', of which one will be defunct in either one of tropic/other climates
10:03<Eddi|zuHause2>i mean, you don't have to actively prepare everything for multi-climate worlds, but you don't have to actively work against it either
10:03<hylje>Bjarni: is it news that danes are lamers
10:04<@Bjarni>o_O
10:04<hylje>there's even a lolland in there
10:04<@Bjarni>lol
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10:04<Roujin>current hotkeys for that window are 'D' for dynamite, then QWERTYUI for the rest
10:04<@Bjarni>I have to remember that one :D
10:04<@Bjarni>since I know people living there
10:07<@Belugas>Roujin, you've created new guis??
10:08<Roujin>erm, I changed the existing gui a bit
10:08<@Belugas>by the way, i am trying to find a decent way, with the new class window system, to have hotkeys and widget numbers linked and automatically chosen whenever available
10:08<@Belugas>not sure how, but fiddling with the idea
10:08<Roujin>I changed the one button that up until now is used for both lighthouse and desert, to two buttons
10:08<Roujin>of which one is used for each fuction
10:09<@Belugas>Roujin, right now, i cannot "think" nor approve nor read intelligently
10:09<Roujin>they have the same location, and the one not available in the current climate is hidden.
10:09<Roujin>okay :D
10:09<@Belugas>but pm me your ideas, i'll try to get the time for them
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10:17<Eddi|zuHause2>hotkeys in the config file!!
10:18<@Belugas>bugger :S
10:18<Eddi|zuHause2>NewCustomizableHotkeys!!
10:18<@Belugas>I HAD THAT IDEA BEFORE YA!!
10:18<Eddi|zuHause2>NOWAI!
10:18<Forked>shit..
10:18<@Bjarni>please
10:18<Forked>caps lock day again :)
10:18<@Bjarni>not here
10:18<Rubidium>and Maedhros will have it implemented partly before you
10:19<@Bjarni>find a toilet instead
10:19<Forked>but
10:19<Forked>:(
10:19<@Bjarni>toilets aren't for buts, but for butts
10:22<@peter1138>hmm, i need to set up gutters to fill my waterbutt
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10:24<@Belugas>go Maedhros go!
10:24<@Belugas>water butt?
10:24<Eddi|zuHause2>different kind of butt :p
10:25*Belugas is too insane for IRC today
10:25*Belugas hides for a while
10:25<Eddi|zuHause2>probably related to german "bottich", which would make it a tub/barrel kind of thing
10:28<Roujin>in german, "butt" exists as well
10:28<Roujin>but it means a kind of fish
10:28<Eddi|zuHause2>http://dict.leo.org/?search=butt <- that is an awfull lot of completely unrelated meanings :p
10:29<Roujin>there's even a book, named "der Butt" :P
10:29<planetmaker>I wonder, was the maximum length of a line for ingame chat shortened?
10:29<Eddi|zuHause2>a "Butt" is a main character in one of Grimms tales
10:30<@Bjarni>a "Butthead" is a main character is some MTV cartoon show
10:30<Eddi|zuHause2>they did not derive that from the german meaning :p
10:30<@Bjarni>are you sure?
10:31<@Bjarni>I'm not going to try but I guess if we google for "Butt" then we will see only one meaning
10:31<SmatZ>yeah, googlinf
10:32<SmatZ>googling for images with butt brings expected results
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10:33<murr4y>like this? http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/18/mythbustedmz3.jpg
10:34<Eddi|zuHause2>that can never be safe for work :p
10:34<@Bjarni>I'm not going to click that one
10:34<murr4y>it's not :D
10:34<SmatZ>:-D
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10:35<@Bjarni>in a perfect world everything on the internet is safe for work
10:35<murr4y>a perfect world cannot have an internet without porn! :O
10:35<planetmaker>hehe. Desire and reality sometimes clash hard
10:36<@Bjarni>murr4y: you presume too much
10:36<@Bjarni>a perfect world might alter what is defined as safe for work
10:36<@Bjarni>but
10:36<Eddi|zuHause2>yeah, if you cannot change one end, change the other end :p
10:36<@Bjarni>no porn might actually be an interesting way to go
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10:37<murr4y>:p
10:37<@Bjarni>in a perfect world that aren't any talking skulls
10:38<@Bjarni>because people don't do drugs
10:38<murr4y>hey
10:38<murr4y>are you insinuating that guybrush was on drugs during monkey island?
10:39<@Bjarni>he was on drugs in order to find monkey island in the first place
10:39<@Bjarni>he mixed stuff and then he had a blackout
10:39<@Bjarni>and there it was... Monkey Island
10:39<@Bjarni>sorry
10:39<@Bjarni>Monkey Island™
10:39<murr4y>rofl
10:39<murr4y>but finding me wasn't him dreaming!
10:40<@Bjarni>no
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10:40<@Bjarni>it were the guys at Lucasarts dreaming
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10:51<Eddi|zuHause2>i remember my brother (who was like 7 or 8 back then) who wanted to have a 3rd part where you run around the theme park (from the end of part 2) :p
10:52<Eddi|zuHause2>hm...
10:52<Eddi|zuHause2>"Orginaltitel: Monkey Island 2 - LeChuck's Revenge; Erschienen: 1991; Sprache: deutsch; Altersempfehlung: ab 16 (Fragt nicht wieso, wir wissen es auch nicht)" <- result from google
10:53<murr4y>haha
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11:00<@Bjarni>I guess 16 because it contains black magic and voodoo dolls
11:01<@Bjarni>and drunken pirates
11:01<Eddi|zuHause2>well, part 1 is 12
11:01<@Belugas>wow...
11:02<@Belugas>Getting high, now, getting drunk!
11:02<@Belugas>What a day :D
11:02<murr4y>yeah if i had a 15 year old son, now way if i'd let him play mi2
11:02<Gekz>mi2?
11:02<Gekz>oh
11:02<Gekz>monkey island
11:02<Gekz>stupid question
11:02<murr4y>;)
11:03<murr4y>s/now/no/
11:04<Eddi|zuHause2>well, i was like 12 or so ;)
11:04<Eddi|zuHause2>and it did not hurt me a bit :p
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11:05<murr4y>well we all see how you ended up
11:05<Gekz>lol pwned
11:06<Eddi|zuHause2>it hardly couts as "pwned" if i provoked that exact answer :p
11:06<murr4y>:D
11:07<@Bjarni><Eddi|zuHause2> and it did not hurt me a bit :p <-- you didn't notice what happened but the rest of us can tell
11:08<@Bjarni>now I know why it's 16 while the first one is 12
11:09<@Bjarni>ghosts gives a min age of 12 while rotting corpses gives a min age of 16 as they smell worse
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11:09<@Bjarni>doorbell
11:09<@Bjarni>brb or bbl
11:09<Eddi|zuHause2>but part 1 did have a rotting corpse
11:10<Roujin>sorry for my sudden disappearance
11:10<Roujin>my wlan decided not to work anymore suddenly
11:11<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.myvideo.de/watch/996416/Monkey_Island_2_LucasArts_Hotline <- lmao :p
11:11<murr4y>haha i remember that
11:12<murr4y>it's german :/
11:12<murr4y>after 5 years with learning german in school i still barely understand it :p
11:14<Eddi|zuHause2>well, it starts with: "don't try to call this number from germany" :p
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11:15<[1]Roujin>something is seriously wrong with my pc right now ><
11:16<murr4y>sounds like a bad case of windows :/
11:16<Eddi|zuHause2>and the second question is "where do all these stupid jokes come from?" - "we don't have anything to do with the german jokes. the translator had to come up with them on his own. rumor says he constantly cursed about the untranslatable english jokes" :p
11:17<murr4y>hahaha
11:17<hylje>the funniest joke ever
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11:18<Prof_Frink>Pfft
11:18<Prof_Frink>Everyone *knows* the Germans have no sense of humour.
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11:19<Eddi|zuHause2>at some time i'll actually have to play these games in english
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11:23<[1]Roujin>Belugas: I've added the thing I was talking about earlier to flyspray.
11:23<@Belugas>hehe...
11:24<@Belugas>that is like calling over the phone to ask if i've received the email !
11:24<@Belugas>lol
11:24<@Belugas>thanks :)
11:31<@peter1138>happens all the time :(
11:34<Touqen>MONKEY!
11:34<Touqen>:x
11:34<@Belugas>yeah... we cannot procrastinate quietly anymore...
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11:35<Touqen>I procastinate openly and with vigor.
11:35<Touqen>I AM CURRENTLY PROCASTINATING!
11:35<Touqen>Feel my procastiwrath!
11:38<hylje>!
11:40<Eddi|zuHause2>"pro casting"... is that an <insert country> idol fan?
11:40<@peter1138>postgresqling
11:41<Eddi|zuHause2>i tried that... it was the worst idea in my life! (well, almost)
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11:52<Touqen>Err.. I meant "procrastiwrath".
11:53<Touqen>Damned fingers have betrayed me again.
11:56<Eddi|zuHause2>punish them!
11:56<Eddi|zuHause2>off with their heads!
11:57<CIA-3>OpenTTD: smatz * r13221 /trunk/src/ai/default/default.cpp: -Fix (r8747): old AI failed to build oil rig routes
12:05<Eddi|zuHause2>http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/111996
12:09<CIA-3>OpenTTD: smatz * r13222 /trunk/src/ (ai/default/default.cpp table/ai_rail.h): -Change: allow old AI building helistations and helidepots for oil rig routes
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12:56<Wolf01>hello
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14:16<murr4y>http://www.vimeo.com/173714
14:16<murr4y>that would be a cool place to work
14:17<murr4y>and the first girl is damn cute
14:17<Mchl>freakin' Ubuntu
14:17<Mchl>won't play these videos
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14:18<@Belugas>yurk... a tie
14:18*Mchl goes in serch of iMac
14:18*Belugas would not work with a tie on a daily basis...no way...
14:19<Sacro>she can come sit on my flagpole
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14:25<@Belugas>563 downloads of 0.6.1 rc2 for win32, and 1045 in total
14:25<@Belugas>not bad
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14:28<Touqen>Another X-Files movie?!
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14:44<Maedhros>i don't remember that guy ever speaking, but i always recognise him instantly when he leaves...
14:44<Touqen>heh
14:44<Touqen>I want to know what it is that he is talking about.
14:48<@Belugas>mmh...
14:48<@Belugas>not me
14:48<@Belugas>not really
14:48<@Belugas>not at all, in fact
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14:50<SmatZ>@seen a1270
14:50<@DorpsGek>SmatZ: a1270 was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 8 hours, 58 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: * a1270 had forgotten he was going to do that
14:50<Mchl>I googled it. It's a comment to a movie on IMdB
14:51<murr4y>copyright infringement!
14:51<Mchl>Don't know if comments are copyrighted... And then it could be his own :P
14:53<Touqen>Author: EVOL666 from St. John's Abortion Clinic <-- The person who posted the comment.
14:56<Touqen>Apparently the comment was made about some weird 1972 japanese movie.
14:57<Prof_Frink>Aaah, those crazy japs
14:57<Prof_Frink>What will they think of next?
14:58<Touqen>They've actually already thought of everything.
14:58<Touqen>They keep their ideas locked up in a giant vault deep within Mt Fuji.
14:58<Touqen>They pull them out periodically and share them with the world.
14:59<Mchl>makes me wonder, if they do it randomly, or using some kind of system
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15:14<frosch123>having different keyboard layouts at home and at work is plain hell
15:15<@Bjarni>having one keyboardlayout at home, one at the lab and a 3rd one when I connect to the lab from home is a real pain
15:15<@Bjarni>specially because #1 and #3 are the same physical keyboard
15:17<@Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> What will they think of next? <--- today they broadcasted a recording of a flying fish
15:18<@Bjarni>you know one of those jumping fish from the Pacific Ocean
15:18<@Bjarni>it broke the known record for those fish to be jumping/flying in the air by 3 sec
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15:18<@Bjarni>so now the record is 45 sec outside the water
15:19<@Bjarni>what the next thing they will come up with... well I have no idea
15:19<Prof_Frink>With any luck it'll be giant robots
15:20<@Bjarni>I saw some Japanese robots and androids on TV a few days ago
15:20<@Bjarni>they talked about a test where people had a brief moment to tell if an android was a human or an android
15:20<Prof_Frink>Were they the size of skyscrapers, with miniguns, lasers and flamethrowers?
15:20<@Bjarni>when it moved more than 50% classified it as a human
15:21<@Bjarni>they were human sized
15:21<Prof_Frink>Are you classified as human?
15:21<Mchl>no fun
15:21<@Bjarni>otherwise they can't hide in the normal population until they activate their killer weapons
15:21<Mchl>i want my personal EVA01 unit
15:21<@Bjarni>or hide again afterwards
15:22<@Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> Are you classified as human? <--- is your opinion of me so dim that you can even ask if I'm classified as something like that???
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15:22<Prof_Frink>No, I expected you to complete the quote.
15:22<@Bjarni>but maybe that's how humans like to think
15:23<@Bjarni>Prof_Frink: that would be a human quote, no doubt
15:23<@Bjarni>otherwise I would know it
15:23<Mchl>maybe question should be: do you classify yourself as a human?... now I'd better don;t ask that myself, or I will go into infinite loop
15:24<@Bjarni>sometimes I end up being in loops
15:24<Prof_Frink>Bjarni: Seriously, you don't know that quote?
15:24<@Bjarni>and repeat myself
15:24<@Bjarni>like I wake up every day
15:24<@Bjarni>Prof_Frink: I have never seen it before
15:25<@Bjarni>but it sounds nice
15:25<@Bjarni>where is it from?
15:25<Prof_Frink>The Fifth Element
15:25<Prof_Frink>Bruce Willis' response is "Negative, I am a meat popsicle."
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15:27<@Bjarni>The Fifth Element?
15:27<@Bjarni>never seen that one
15:28<Touqen>You should watch it.
15:28<Touqen>good movie.
15:28<Touqen>It's kind of long though
15:28<@Bjarni>and I don't think I will watch Bruce Willis in the role of a meat popsicle
15:29<@Bjarni>sounds like a weird movie
15:29<Touqen>It's sci fi.
15:29<@Bjarni>that not the same as it's supposed to be weird
15:29<Touqen>It's got Milla Jovovich in it.
15:29<Mchl>that's a good movie, I second that
15:30<Mchl>worth seeing
15:30<Prof_Frink>It's got Milla Jovovich wearing very little in it.
15:37<@peter1138>god yes
15:42<Prof_Frink>Well, that's sorted one question
15:48<@peter1138>what?
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16:13<Eddi|zuHause2><Maedhros> i don't remember that guy ever speaking, but i always recognise him instantly when he leaves... <- i do remember that he spoke, if only to explain his quitmessage, though :p
16:14<ln>who?
16:15<Touqen>a1270
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16:27<dragonhorseboy>hey
16:29<Touqen>is for horsies
16:29<hylje>ponies
16:30<dragonhorseboy>very funny
16:30<dragonhorseboy>so how're both of you?
16:30<Sacro>ZOMG PONIES
16:31<murr4y>http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg
16:31<hylje>:<
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16:33<Touqen>That reminds me to go look at icanhascheezeburger
16:34<Sacro>!seen Bjarni
16:34<Sacro>@seen Bjarni
16:34<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Bjarni> that not the same as it's supposed to be weird
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16:43<Mark>evening
16:44<Mark>imho the max. line length is way too short in the latest nightly
16:44<@Belugas>max line lenght... care to expand on the subject?
16:49<@Belugas>Mark? I'm talking to you.
16:49<@Belugas>ping!
16:50<Mark>sorry
16:51<Mark>the maximum amount of characters you can type on a single line in multiplayer
16:51<Mark>.. is too low, imho
16:51<@Belugas>ha... that is better
16:51<Mark>:)
16:51<+glx>limited by packet size I think
16:51<@Belugas>it has changed recently?
16:51<Mark>it changed only recently
16:51<Mark>yes
16:51<@Belugas>mmh
16:51<Mark>it wasnt this low in r13032, it is in r13210
16:52<@Belugas>eeek...
16:52<@Belugas>178 revisions to check :S
16:52<+glx>can you try to find when it happened?
16:52<Mark>i'll try
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17:05<Mchl>r13042 does something to NetworkChatWindow
17:07<Sacro>HAX
17:10<Eddi|zuHause2>yeah, i need something to eat
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17:27<@Bjarni>Sacro: don't highlight me while I'm hiding
17:29<Touqen>You could just not respond...
17:29<Sacro>Bjarni: don't highlight me either
17:29<Sacro>pfft
17:33<Eddi|zuHause2>Sacro, Bjarni, you know deep down in your harts that you love each other... you sure act like it :p
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17:34*Sacro cuddles Bjarni
17:34<@Bjarni>yikes
17:35<Mchl>whoever localised my IRC client, screwed up his job
17:35<@Bjarni>heh
17:35<@Bjarni>like the English translation of Simutrans?
17:36<@Bjarni>it has German words in it
17:36<@Bjarni>the Danish translation has half the strings in German
17:36<Mchl>nah... but it just said you were kicked by Sacro
17:36<@Bjarni>lol
17:36<Mchl>well almost, because it also failed to use proper grammar
17:37<@Bjarni>well when I test Simutrans (yes I do that once in a while but not often) then I'm happy that I actually know German
17:37<@Bjarni>I was about to ask you what it said but that would be pointless
17:38<@Bjarni>I don't know Polish
17:38<Mchl>:)
17:38<@Bjarni>which created a rather interesting situation last year
17:38<Mchl>in general it failed at using passive voice properly
17:39<Mchl>nah... that's not passive voice...
17:39<@Bjarni>some Polish workers dug up the sidewalk outside my house and those workers knew only Polish
17:39<@Bjarni>which made communication a bit tricky
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17:40<Mchl>I'm sure they knew Danish very well
17:40<Mchl>in fact, they were spies, and only pretended to be clueless
17:40<Mchl>:P
17:41<@Bjarni>we did have to communicate with them once in a while though
17:41<Eddi|zuHause2>lot's of spies out there now ;)
17:41<@Bjarni>because of all the houses on the road only our driveway caused problems
17:42<Mchl>they were probably infiltrating OpenTTD development center, so that polish national rail comapny could benefit of its technology
17:43<@Bjarni>they worked really hard on repairing it (took days) and in the end when they were nearly done and we could see that it would look really good I found a Polish dictionary and figured out how to write "good job" or something like that and wrote it down and gave them the note
17:43<@Bjarni>they became really happy
17:43<Mchl>nice of you :)
17:43<@Bjarni>I had no clue on how to actually say what I wrote though
17:44<Mchl>"dobra robota" was it?
17:44<@Bjarni>no
17:44<@Bjarni>hmm
17:44<@Bjarni>I don't think so
17:44<@Bjarni>but I can't remember
17:45<Mchl>well, if you ever recall it, ask me and I'll tell you how to say it :)
17:45<@Bjarni>ok
17:45<@Bjarni>I think the impact on such a note were greater than usual because they knew that nobody in the area speak Polish
17:46<Sacro>http://www.b3ta.com/links/Russian_Hip_Hop
17:46<@Bjarni>meaning they knew that somebody actually spent time figuring out how to write Polish
17:46<Mchl>probably
17:50<@Bjarni>oh another story involving Polish. I was standing in a crowd where everybody had high visibility vests (those orange thing railroad workers wear) on and a lorry stopped
17:50<@Bjarni>the driver then said something in Polish and nobody understood him
17:50<@Bjarni>his solution: say the very same thing except this time he said it louder
17:50<Mchl>how did you know it was Polish? Is it that recognizable?
17:51<@Bjarni>we presume it to be Polish when we don't understand it :P
17:51<Mchl>lol... like in Terry's Pratchett book
17:51<@Bjarni>besides the license plate also gave us a clue
17:51<Mchl>yeah... that's a clue :)
17:52<@Bjarni>we (the locals) agreed that he wasn't supposed to be on the railroad area so we pointed to a place where he could turn around
17:52<@Bjarni>so he drove to that place and came back a moment later, very happy and waving
17:52<Mchl>his line of reasoning: guys in HV vests! must be Poles! :D
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17:53<@Bjarni>maybe
17:53<@Bjarni>but I would presume people in HV vests standing somewhere with tracks everywhere and railroad logo on the back to be railroad workers
17:54<@Bjarni>and they are usually locals
17:54<Mchl>you must know railroad logo first ;)
17:54<@Bjarni>it was actually right outside the main locomotive repairshop in Copenhagen
17:55<@Bjarni><Mchl> you must know railroad logo first ;) <-- it's a wheel with wings.... it's a symbol of a railroad even to people who haven't seen it before
17:56<@Bjarni>http://www.jernbaneklub.dk/hovedstadsomraadet/vingehjul.gif <-- somewhat like this except the wheel were bigger
17:56<@Bjarni>this combined with track everywhere (including on the road) and locomotives parked everywhere should give a clue that this could be railroad crew
17:57<Mchl>yeah... probably it should
17:57<Mchl>trams in warsaw have similar logo
17:58<Mchl>with ligtnings though
17:58<@Bjarni>makes sense for a system using catenary
17:58<Mchl>http://www.exegroup.pl/images/klient-tramwaje-warszawskie.jpg
17:58<@Bjarni>our symbol is a leftover from the steam era
17:59<Wolf01>'night
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17:59<@Bjarni>damn
18:00<@Bjarni>what a weird channel
18:00<@Bjarni>nobody asked me what I was doing there :P
18:00<Eddi|zuHause2>don't act like you have any catenary :p
18:00<@Bjarni>I didn't plan on standing there guiding lost lorry drivers
18:01<Mchl>oh...is it not your regular job?
18:01<Mchl>;P
18:01<@Bjarni>we have a 1500 V DC catenary set and a 25 kV AC catenary set
18:01<Mchl>25kV?
18:01<@Bjarni>yeah
18:01<@Bjarni>25.000 V
18:02<@Bjarni>basically it means "don't get near"
18:02<@Bjarni>as it can jump 3 cm or so though air
18:02<@Bjarni>and more if it's a wet weather or the air contains ions or something
18:02<@Bjarni>safety distance is actually 1,75 m
18:03<@Bjarni>and it's 5 meters if they fall down
18:03<Mchl>i can imagine that
18:03<@Bjarni><Mchl> oh...is it not your regular job? <-- I'm an engineering student so no
18:04<Mchl>so am I :P
18:04<@Bjarni>nice
18:04<@Bjarni>are you as good as I am?
18:04<Mchl>what is this 25kV catenary for?
18:04<@Bjarni>if you answer my question then I will answer yours
18:05<@Bjarni>:P
18:05<Mchl>I should've passed my final exams two years ago, so I expect I'm pretty good at studying, but not finishing studies :P
18:05<@Bjarni>heh
18:06<@Bjarni>ok now I owe you an answer
18:06<@Bjarni><Mchl> what is this 25kV catenary for? <-- it's for powering trains
18:07<Mchl>that's quite a lot...
18:07<Mchl>AFAIK rails on poland operate on 3kV
18:07<@Bjarni>sounds like DC
18:07<@Bjarni>the thing is that we got 1500 V DC in 1934 for EMUs in the Copenhagen area
18:08<@Bjarni>and everything else were using steam
18:08<Mchl>ah yes... DC of course
18:08<@Bjarni>then the railroads switched to diesel
18:08<@Bjarni>and in 1984 the first long distance catenary were put up
18:09<@Bjarni>at this time AC wasn't an issue for electric engines (it was in the 1930s) so AC was picked (50 Hz since it's easy to get)
18:10<@Bjarni>and as we all know U=RI and P=R*I*I so the powerloss is I^2 and unaffected by the voltage in the lines
18:10<@Bjarni>so you want high voltage and low current
18:10<@Bjarni>to minimise the loss
18:11<@Bjarni>the locomotives are then basically a big transformer
18:11<@Bjarni>to get high current and lower voltage as it's current that gives the forward force in the engine
18:11<@Bjarni>you can't use a transformer on DC supply
18:12<Mchl>pretty interesting
18:12<@Bjarni>ok you can today but not back then
18:12<Mchl>your locomotives have totalu diffirent construction than ours
18:12<@Bjarni>this means that the strongest locomotive we ever had is actually an electric one
18:12<@Bjarni>it has 8800 hp
18:13<@Bjarni>and is used to haul freight trains between Sweden and Germany
18:13<@Bjarni>of up to 2000 tons
18:13<@Bjarni>no DC catenary can deliver enough energy to do that
18:14<@Bjarni>the freight trains usually drive 100 km/h
18:14<@Bjarni>we lack a lot of catenary though :(
18:15<Zuu>At least most countries use mainly 1435mm track width, and then just various electricity systems. :)
18:15<Mchl>strongest electric locomotive polish rail operates would deliver some 6500HP
18:15<Zuu>Easier to make locomotives that goes on different electricity systems than different track widths.
18:15<@Bjarni>basically we only have on the line from Sweden to Germany (EU demanded that) and on the line from Copenhagen pointing north (since this is the line they used to test the system before building it at a large scale)
18:15<@Bjarni>this might change now though
18:16<guru3>i've got a bike. it's got one people power
18:16<@Bjarni>the railroad ordered intercity DMUs
18:16<@Bjarni>now they are 5 years late
18:16<@Bjarni>and still no good
18:16<Mchl>so it is mainly diesel?
18:16<@Bjarni>the factory have to deliver them within a year or the contact is off
18:16<Prof_Frink>Mchl: It'd have better traction if they didn't polish the rail so much.
18:17<@Bjarni>if the contract is off then electric trains are likely to be ordered instead and the politicians will find the money needed to put up catenary
18:18<@Bjarni><Mchl> so it is mainly diesel? <-- yeah because the leftish politicians backed out of their own plan to put up catenary
18:18<@Bjarni>Prof_Frink: funny :)
18:19<Mchl>:P
18:19<Sacro>Prof_Frink: teehee
18:19<Zuu>No offence, but If you want to be little evil: Danish power is mostly coal, so diesel or electric powered trains is just the same in Denmark environment wise. ;)
18:19<Mchl>just found out, we have six locomotives with 7500HP power :D
18:19*Sacro enjoys polishing the rail
18:19<@Bjarni>arghhhh
18:19<@Bjarni>bug
18:20<@Bjarni>a big bug came flying and landed on my lips >_<
18:20<Mchl>quick! post in on flyspray!
18:20<Mchl>oh, that was horrible...
18:20<Zuu>But then, if environment certificated electricty exist in Denmark they could use that and say it's environment friendly. :)
18:20<@Bjarni>my quick actions made the bug go away already
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18:21<@Bjarni>Zuu: they talk about using power from windmills
18:21<Zuu>Ok
18:21<@Bjarni>nobody asked them what they will do on a day with no wind though
18:21<Mchl>wind powered trains... wonder haw that would sell
18:22<Mchl>how
18:22<Sacro>http://www.collegehumour.com/video:1816890
18:22<guru3>passangers could bicycle it when there's no wind
18:22<@Bjarni>like right now
18:22<@Bjarni>the windmills only produce 116 MW right now
18:22<@Bjarni>they usually give like 1-2000
18:22<@Bjarni>2500 when it's a storm
18:23<Eddi|zuHause2><Mchl> what is this 25kV catenary for? <- it is to comply to an EU regulation to electrify the route from germany to sweden, but they decided to not use the same system as both germany and sweden use (which both have 15kV)
18:23<@Bjarni>but right now the wind is around the trigger moment for them to just start producing anything
18:23<Eddi|zuHause2>25kV is also standard in france (northern half, i believe)
18:23<@Bjarni>less than half of France
18:24<@Bjarni>and in some country in the East too
18:24<Eddi|zuHause2>the TGV system is 25kV, i think
18:24<@Bjarni>Slovenia I think
18:24<Eddi|zuHause2>Romania, i thought
18:24<Eddi|zuHause2>at least afair we sold our 25kV engines (from the Rübelandbahn) there
18:25<@Bjarni>normal Japanese gauge is 1067 mm and they use almost exclusively DC (1500 and 3000V). However Shinkansen have a railnet of it's own because they use a gauge of 1435 mm and 25 kV 50 Hz AC
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18:25<Zuu>In south of Sweden Malmö-Ystand they have wind-powered trains where they have put up a wind mill close to the track and a sign that the trains are powered by that wind mill. :)
18:25<@Bjarni>meaning that at least in theory we could use Shinkansen in Denmark without altering anything
18:25<Zuu>Ystad*
18:25<@Bjarni>Ystand :D
18:26<Prof_Frink>Whereas in the UK we could use donkeys and it would be an improvement
18:26<@Bjarni>we once had a visiting TGV in Copenhagen
18:27<Sacro>Prof_Frink: compared to hull women...
18:27<@Bjarni>some politicians paid a fortune to rent a TGV, an X2000, an ICE3 and some Italian train and put them on display
18:27<@Bjarni>since they wanted high speed trains in Denmark
18:27<Prof_Frink>Speaking of Shinky, orudge found something on the Top Gear Blog
18:27<@Bjarni>the only result was that I was able to try sitting in the driver's seat on a TGV
18:28<Eddi|zuHause2>how are the ICE-TD doing anyway?
18:28<@Bjarni>we didn't get any better trains or faster or anything
18:28<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause2: they were on the news the other day
18:28<Eddi|zuHause2>bad news?
18:28<@Bjarni>as the train with decent comfort
18:28<ln>had to install Thunderbird because Apple's Mail failedd
18:28<@Bjarni>meaning everything else is supposed to be really bad
18:28<@Bjarni>ln: o_O
18:29<@Bjarni>mail never failed on me
18:29<ln>Bjarni: IMAPS on a non-standard port... won't connect.
18:29<guru3>oh snap, when did 0.6.0 come out?
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18:30<ln>Bjarni: or actually, netstat says there is a connection, but Mail itself doesn't know it.
18:30<Rubidium>guru3: April 1st
18:30<Mchl>so ICE-TB goes for 'decent stadard' in Denmark?
18:30<guru3>well i'm behind... any good new features?
18:31<Mchl>an average long sistance polish train would be substadard i suppose
18:31<Rubidium>guru3: new features since when?
18:31<guru3>0.5.0 i guess
18:31<@Bjarni>one sec... making some screenshots from the news broadcast where they talked about it
18:31<guru3>i think that's the last one i played
18:31<Eddi|zuHause2>guru3: there's a changelog ;)
18:31<@Bjarni>more or less by random I recorded it
18:32<Zuu>guru3: drive through stops, diagonal track under bridges (infact in any direction + signals), ...
18:32<guru3>sounds good
18:32<Rubidium>some more newgrf support
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18:33<Eddi|zuHause2>"some" like industries ;)
18:33<guru3>i'm still waiting for the new graphics i guess
18:33<Rubidium>like trams and new [cargos|houses|industries]
18:33<Zuu>more advanced Autosignal I think.
18:33<guru3>the 32bit stuff
18:33<Mchl>autoroad tool?
18:33<Rubidium>0.6.0 has a 32bpp blitter
18:33<guru3>blitter?
18:33<Eddi|zuHause2>guru3: the functionality is there
18:34<Rubidium>it's just that there is absolutely no graphicset complete enough to be even thinking of including it
18:34<guru3>the very nature of 32bit requires cool graphics
18:34<Zuu>Also, oneway roads is in 0.6.0.
18:34<guru3>which i'm utterly incapable of creating myself
18:35<Mchl>http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Playing_with_32bpp_graphics
18:35<@Bjarni>http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/bn/inside.jpg http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/bn/outside.jpg <-- this is what they consider "old and bad trains"
18:35<@Bjarni>they are from 1971
18:36<@Bjarni>even when they were 20 years old a tourist asked my mom if she had entered 1st class by mistake because she thought it was so good on the inside
18:36<@Bjarni>but now the very same train is crap according to the media
18:37<@Bjarni>but I guess ICE3-TD is better yes
18:37<@Bjarni>but also more expensive
18:37<@Bjarni>and I have to say that they did some detective job
18:38<@Bjarni>they managed to find a car with rust on it
18:38<Mchl>they would't have to look for it in Poland...
18:39<@Bjarni>what the story didn't tell is that the car they looked at was at the time they showed this already marked for scrapping within a year
18:39<Mchl>yeah, a bit unfair
18:39<@Bjarni>you don't fix severe rust problems like that and then scrap the car say 3 months later
18:39<Mchl>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKP_class_EN57
18:40<Mchl>here's mainly used rain for local service in poland
18:40<Mchl>most of them look like those on top photo
18:40<Mchl>usually with graffitti on sides
18:41<@Bjarni>they look a bit dated
18:41<Mchl>some of them have been renovated, as can beseen below
18:41<@Bjarni>but that's not the same as they are bad
18:41<Mchl>yup... 'dated' is the word
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18:41<Mchl>not really bad, and apparently you can rebuild them pretty easily into modern shape
18:42<Mchl>but in general they're poorly maintained
18:43<Mchl>http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:14WE-03-1.jpg
18:43<Mchl>that's what can be build basing on these trains :)
18:43<@Bjarni>http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:P%A5gat%A5g_p%A5_v%A4g_in_till_K%A4vlinge_station.jpg <-- Sweden uses this one. AFAIK it's dated too but still in fine technical condition and loved by both crew and passengers
18:43<Sacro>No file by this name exists. You can upload it.
18:43<Sacro>Image:P¥gat¥g p¥ v¤g in till K¤vlinge station.jpg
18:44<@Bjarni>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/P%A5gat%A5g_p%A5_v%A4g_in_till_K%A4vlinge_station.jpg
18:44<Mchl>yup... encoding problems
18:44<Sacro>Bjarni: 404
18:44*Sacro slaps Bjarni with utf8 complience
18:44<@Bjarni>I type the right thing
18:44<@Bjarni>and then IRC change it and colours it green :s
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18:45<@Bjarni>I will find another pic of the same train
18:45<@Bjarni>http://tinyurl.com/4wuags <-- or better yet... this should also work
18:46<Mchl>yay! Milka train :P
18:48<@Bjarni>they have their limitations like you can't walk from one end to the other and such but generally they should be ok
18:48<Mchl>and look nice
18:48<@Bjarni>Zuu: can you support that statement?
18:49<@Bjarni><Mchl> and look nice <-- they are refitted to get modern headlights and such
18:49<@Bjarni>the old ones looked a bit different
18:49<Mchl>just like polish EN57s
18:49<Zuu>Bjarni: Which statement?
18:50<@Bjarni>Pågatåg are good for the passengers and crew
18:50<Mchl>someof them even get new asynchronic engines
18:50<Zuu>Bjarni: Yep
18:50<Zuu>Pink and nice to ride :p
18:50<Zuu>Or more purple to be more exact.
18:50<Mchl>just don't let anyone from MTV see it
18:51<Mchl>ar they'll adopt it for another silly program
18:51<@Bjarni><Mchl> someof them even get new asynchronic engines <-- DC engines has a max efficiency of 90%. Async engines (AC) has a max efficiency around 99%
18:51<@Bjarni>and are cheaper to maintain
18:51<@Bjarni>and are more durable
18:51<@Bjarni>so switching the engines can be good from an economical point of view
18:52<@Bjarni>Mchl: what kind of engineering are you studying?
18:53<@Bjarni>it's a simple question... I really hope you don't have to look it up :P
18:54<Zuu>At least the new trains will also be of the same purple colour, so passengers will not become totaly lost. :p
18:54<@Bjarni>heh
18:55<@Bjarni>when DSB got new white trains (old ones were red at the time) then I saw two old people waiting for the train. When the train looked wrong they didn't want to use it... they were waiting for a red train
18:55<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r13224 /trunk/src/player_gui.cpp: -Fix (r13107): set the location of the old SelectPlayerFaceWindow when switching from simple to advanced or vice versa instead of letting the new window popup somewhere 'randomly'.
18:55<guru3>what!? they're not red anymore!?
18:55<@Bjarni>then somebody tried to convince them that it was a new train on the very same line
18:56<@Bjarni>guru3: now they are all sorts of colours
18:56*guru3 remembers when they were all red
18:56<@Bjarni>but mainly silver, blue or blue/white stripes
18:56<guru3>thought they'd all be red still
18:56<@Bjarni>* guru3 remembers when they were all red <-- those were the good old days
18:57<guru3>i was like... 6
18:57<guru3>another childhood memory disillusioned :<
18:57<@Bjarni>somebody got the idea that red is the national colour so the trains shouldn't use it anymore as it changed from being the state railroad to a state owned railroad
18:57<Sacro>i miss british rail :(
18:58<@Bjarni>guru3: my train is in the original colours and you are always welcome to ride with me ;)
18:58<guru3>:>
18:59<@Bjarni>seriously
18:59<@Bjarni>we have the tickets as the only income
18:59<guru3>i'm... not exactly near denmark anymore
18:59<guru3>well
18:59<guru3>i'm close ish
18:59-!-Mchl [~mchl@abfr173.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:59<guru3>but it's more than a day trip
18:59<@Bjarni>but Sweden is just on the other side...
19:00<guru3>i'm studying at university in england now
19:00<@Bjarni>...
19:00<@Bjarni>why?
19:00<guru3>because i don't speak swedish
19:00<Rubidium>he wants to learn English?
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19:00<guru3>and no english UG programs in sweden
19:00<Sacro>guru3: which uni?
19:01<guru3>sheffield
19:01<Sacro>:o
19:01<Sacro>that's like, close
19:01<guru3>anything cool like regional openttd meets?
19:01<@Bjarni><guru3> because i don't speak swedish <-- isn't that like common for young people in Sweden?
19:01<guru3>i only lived there 3 years
19:02<Zuu>Bjarni: What is the common language of young Swedes then?
19:02<Rubidium>b0rk?
19:02<guru3>lol
19:02<CIA-3>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13225 /trunk/src/ (12 files):
19:02<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Fix (r13041): Missing calls to FindWindowPlacementAndResize() from lots
19:02<CIA-3>OpenTTD: of windows causing 'two stage' opening effect.
19:03<@Bjarni><Zuu> Bjarni: What is the common language of young Swedes then? <-- Swedish like Engrish?
19:03<@peter1138>sleep time now
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19:03<@Bjarni>guru3: what is your native language?
19:04<guru3>english
19:04<@Bjarni>how come you have a Telia DNS if you are in the UK?
19:05<guru3>i still have my computer on at home
19:05<guru3>ssh -> screen -> irssi -> oftc
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19:06<@Bjarni>how come you ended up in Sweden then?
19:06<guru3>mother's work
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19:08<@Bjarni>I'm sorry
19:08<guru3>'twas only my highschool life
19:09<@Bjarni>but you were exposed
19:09<guru3>to swedes?
19:09<@Bjarni>yes
19:09<@Bjarni>just like me
19:09<guru3>lol
19:09<Zuu>:p
19:09<Zuu>Are we that bad? ;)
19:09<guru3>well, they're either not contagious or i have a natural immunity
19:10<@Bjarni><Zuu> Are we that bad? ;) <-- yes
19:10<@Bjarni>at least at understanding Danish numbers
19:10<Zuu>hehe
19:10<Zuu>but then you use a weird system..
19:10<Eddi|zuHause2>i have not been exposed to swedes yet
19:10<guru3>well... danish isn't too innocent either. it does have that o with the line through it
19:10<@Bjarni>ø
19:11<Eddi|zuHause2>øØ
19:11<Zuu>ö
19:11<guru3>don't get me started on those ones Zuu
19:11<Zuu>(with dots instead)
19:11<Eddi|zuHause2>öÖ?
19:11<@Bjarni>Zuu: I think you have seen it before so don't stare with your mouth open like that
19:12<Zuu>Bjarni: hehe .p
19:12<Sacro>русски!
19:12<@Bjarni>the guys who decided on the name for the bridge between Denmark and Sweden didn't think very well about it
19:13<@Bjarni>because they decided on Øresundsbron
19:13<@Bjarni>well enough
19:13<@Bjarni>except the first char is "Ø+¨", which isn't an UTF char
19:14<@Bjarni>so nobody can write it on computers
19:14<@Bjarni>now that's brilliant for a bridge that's so new that people already had computers and email when it was opened
19:15<@Bjarni>nobody can write the name of it....
19:15<Eddi|zuHause2>you mean they combined Ö with Ø?
19:15<@Bjarni>yes
19:15<@Bjarni>a good idea on paper
19:15<guru3>all squares here
19:15<Eddi|zuHause2>what an exceptionally stupid idea :p
19:15<@Bjarni>but really bad on keyboards
19:16*guru3 muters about incomplete utf support
19:18<@Bjarni>hah
19:18<@Bjarni>they even have problems with it on their homepage
19:18<guru3>lol
19:18<Zuu>Yet people use the local version of Ö out of convenience
19:19<@Bjarni>if I see this creative letter anywhere then I will take a picture of it and show you guys
19:20<Zuu>And looks like the Danes got their Ø in practice on the website. :)
19:22<@Bjarni>no need
19:22<guru3>well
19:22<@Bjarni>http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X31K/malmo2001_02.jpg <-- found it
19:22<guru3>it seems turning utf8 on in screen
19:22<guru3>made it worse
19:22<guru3>instead of better
19:22<Sacro>heh
19:23<Sacro>guru3: what term are you using?
19:23<guru3>gnome-terminal
19:23<Sacro>i have to set putty to utf8
19:23<guru3>screen
19:23<Sacro>echo $locale
19:23<guru3>then irssi
19:23<Sacro>and then make sure :utf8 on
19:23<guru3>is it bad that that variable isn't set? :S
19:24<@Bjarni>actually now that I think about it I think it's the trains that has that new letter while the bridge is officially spelled with Ø and ends on "bron" so it's a mix of Danish and Swedish
19:24<Eddi|zuHause2>$LOCALE?
19:24<guru3>nope
19:24<guru3>tried that next
19:24<Sacro>err
19:24<Sacro>just run locale?
19:24<Sacro>guru3: what distro?
19:24<guru3>gentoo
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19:27<Sacro>guru3: mmm, not sure
19:27<guru3>i'm not either really
19:27<guru3>oh well
19:29<Eddi|zuHause2>LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
19:29<Eddi|zuHause2>and lots of LC_*
19:29<guru3>LANG=
19:29<guru3>it's just blank
19:30<Sacro>:\
19:30<Sacro>yeah, i use LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
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19:33<guru3>well shit that worked
19:33<guru3>export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8"
19:33<guru3>export LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
19:33<guru3>put that in .bashrc
19:34<@Bjarni>damn
19:34<guru3>first time ive ever gotten full unicode support working
19:34<guru3>hurrah
19:34<guru3>"full"
19:35<guru3>in irc anyway
19:35<@Bjarni>I just typed .cm instead of .com and somebody actually owned the site I then ended up at
19:35<@Bjarni>and naturally they wanted to sell me something
19:35<@Bjarni>talk about bad business morale
19:35<@Bjarni>.cm is Cameroon btw
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19:48<Zuu>Night guys
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19:54<@Bjarni>time for bed
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22:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: belugas * r13226 /trunk/src/ (16 files in 2 dirs):
22:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Feature: Allow to have more than only two airports per town. The number of airports is now controlled by the noise each of them generates, the distance from town's center and how tolerant the town is.
22:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: Initial concept : TTDPatch (moreairpots), Initial code : Pasky
22:56<CIA-3>OpenTTD: Thanks to BigBB (help coding), Smatz Skidd13 and frosch for bugcatches and advices
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