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#openttd IRC Logs for 2008-05-24

---Logopened Sat May 24 00:00:41 2008
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01:45<SirBob>arghh! YAPP wont compile :(
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04:31<Roujin>morning
04:33<Roujin>congrats Belugas ;)
04:34<Roujin>guess I'll stop coding and play a while with your new feature :)
04:34<Prof_Frink>That's what she said.
04:36<Roujin>what's what who said?
04:37<Roujin>oh
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04:37<Roujin>I think I got you
04:37<Roujin>pervert :P
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04:40*Roujin thinks it could easily have been set to true on default...
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06:03<CIA-3>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13227 /trunk/src/misc/smallvec.h: -Codechange: Apply code style
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06:05<murr4y>wow
06:05<murr4y>you guys are like
06:05<hylje>!
06:05<murr4y>working continuously
06:06<murr4y>night and day
06:06<murr4y>how do you find the time
06:06<murr4y>damn impressive
06:06<Prof_Frink>I'm a Time Lord.
06:06<murr4y>you control time?
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06:07<murr4y>can you give me some more time to read before my exams?
06:07<Eddi|zuHause3>no, because i have stolen his TARDIS
06:07<Prof_Frink>No, I travel through time and space, fighting evil
06:07<Prof_Frink>And putting up shelves. Sonically.
06:09<Eddi|zuHause3>that's why he won't be able to do anything this week
06:09<Prof_Frink>Eddi|zuHause3: Oh, but next week's gonna be awesome.
06:10<Eddi|zuHause3>don't tell me :p
06:10<Prof_Frink>Eddi|zuHause3: All I know is it's part 1 of a Moffat double.
06:11<Eddi|zuHause3>i heard moffat will take over for davies for the 2010 series
06:11<Prof_Frink>You heard correctly :)
06:12*Roest blergs
06:12*Prof_Frink zoidbergs
06:12<@peter1138>!seen bigbb
06:12<@peter1138>@seen bigbb
06:12<@DorpsGek>peter1138: bigbb was last seen in #openttd 21 weeks, 0 days, 6 hours, 2 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <BigBB> I don't understand it
06:12<Eddi|zuHause3>a propos... when's the next futurama due?
06:15<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r13228 /trunk/ (22 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: split console.h.
06:15<a1270>june 24th
06:16<Eddi|zuHause3>that's like... another month...
06:18<Roujin>ahaha, found a funny bug :D
06:18<Prof_Frink>A bunny fug?
06:18<Roujin>yes, it wears a funny hat and dances and tells jokes
06:19<murr4y>ooh, does it have a hat
06:19<murr4y>and a stick
06:19<Roujin>no seriously.. I can have multiple airport selection windows open at the same time...
06:20<Roujin>anyone here willing to fix it directly, or should I go file a bug report?
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06:22<Eddi|zuHause3>yes.
06:22<hylje>the perfect answer for .. or ..
06:22<murr4y>lol
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06:23<Roujin>whoops, already known since thursday :P
06:24<Roujin>FS2030
06:24<Roujin>but it's funny being able to build roads with the airport selection :D
06:26<Alberth>Is the only reason that FS#1942 was left open that both code-change diffs became broken?
06:27<@peter1138>they'll be obsolete
06:28<Alberth>ok, I won't update them then :)
06:32-!-Mchl [~mchl@abeh192.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd
06:32<Mchl>hello
06:33<@Bjarni>hi Mchl
06:33<@Bjarni>you didn't answer my question last night :/
06:33<Mchl>i got disconnected
06:33<@Bjarni>that would explain the lack of goodbye as well
06:33<Mchl>last hing I got from you, was about async engines'
06:34<@Bjarni>then you missed out on a great deal
06:34<@Bjarni>oh well
06:34<Mchl>there's always another day
06:34<@Bjarni>the question was: what kind of engineering are you studying?
06:35<Mchl>it is called robotics at my faculty
06:35<@Bjarni>o_O
06:35<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r13229 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: replace some global variables that are only initialised once and always with the same value with enums.
06:35<@Bjarni>weird
06:35<Mchl>but in fact it is more like discrete control
06:36<@Bjarni>I thought I was the only one here studying robots
06:36<a1270>Time to restart X.
06:36<Mchl>lol
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06:36<Mchl>hey, he actually said something..
06:37<@Bjarni>yeah
06:37<Prof_Frink>He also had to quit IRC to restart X
06:37<Prof_Frink>Which is silly.
06:37<murr4y>why?
06:37<murr4y>all my programs are exited when i restart X
06:38<Prof_Frink>How silly.
06:38<murr4y>what distro do you use
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06:38<murr4y>?
06:38<Prof_Frink>My screen session doesn't care whether I restart X
06:38<Mchl>Bjarni: I have very little experience with actual industrial robots
06:38<Mchl>i'm more specialised in PLCs
06:38<Prof_Frink>murr4y: Kumbongo and Debbie
06:38<murr4y>ah
06:38<murr4y>screen
06:39<murr4y>well, my irc doesn't even care if i turn off the computer
06:39<@Bjarni>Mchl: PLCs are a good thing as well
06:39<murr4y>beat that
06:39<@Bjarni>beat PLCs?
06:39<Prof_Frink>murr4y: Same.
06:39<@Bjarni>I better not
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06:39<@Bjarni>they could break
06:39<murr4y>and i'm not bnc'ed :D
06:39<@Bjarni>Mchl: then it's not the same kind of robotics we study
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06:40<Prof_Frink>Neither am I.
06:40<Mchl>I love my PLCs :P
06:40<Prof_Frink>ssh!
06:40<murr4y>yep :D
06:40<murr4y>i'm actually in windows now :( irc through putty
06:40<murr4y>cause i need visual barfio
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06:41<a1270>When doing daily kde 4 svn compiles you have to account for X getting kicked. Though things only freak out after a few recompiles.
06:42<Prof_Frink>That is why you use irssi in screen on a different computer.
06:43<Eddi|zuHause3>why compile if you have the buildservice?
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06:44<@Bjarni>no answer...
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07:19<CIA-3>OpenTTD: frosch * r13230 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Fix [FS#2030](r13171): When closing toolbars, also close their PickerWindows.
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07:22<Roujin>wheee
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07:55<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r13231 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: split the core console code and the console GUI.
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08:16<CIA-3>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13232 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Codechange: Simplify BuildDepotVehicleList()
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08:43<Wolf01>hello
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09:37<Eddi|zuHause3># Die Sonne scheint mir aus den Händen, kann verbrennen, kann dich blenden
09:37<Eddi|zuHause3># wenn sie aus den Fäusten bricht, legt sich heiß auf dein Gesicht
09:37<Eddi|zuHause3># legt sich schmerzend auf die Brust, das Gleichgewicht wird zum Verlust
09:37<Eddi|zuHause3># lässt dich hart zu Boden gehen, und die Welt zählt laut bis zehn
09:38<Prof_Frink>| English Only |
09:39<Sacro>DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES
09:39<Prof_Frink>Ooh look, that alarms are going off
09:39*Gekz kills Sacro
09:39<Gekz>Allah akbar!
09:40*Prof_Frink steals all of Sacro's points
09:40<Prof_Frink>Gekz: It's a trap!
09:40<Gekz>he's already dead.
09:40<Eddi|zuHause3>[Do Mär 13 2008] [16:22:53] <Belugas> music is universal
09:40<Gekz>and I'm already reading right-to-left.
09:40<Gekz>I fell into my own trap.
09:42<Prof_Frink>Eddi|zuHause3: Well, that wasn't musics.
09:42<Prof_Frink>It made no sound.
09:42<Gekz>*beep*
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09:43<Eddi|zuHause3>http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=mfHlA3fmJG0 <- better?
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09:51<Sacro>http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=33.15796,-107.171631&spn=0.131637,0.218353&t=h&z=12&iwloc=addr <- sniggah XD
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09:56<Eddi|zuHause3>oh i so loathe google maps
09:57<Eddi|zuHause3>Sacro: what would i be supposed to look at if fucking google didn't tell me "your webbrowser is not supported"?
09:58<Sacro>a place called "Elephants Butte"
09:58<Sacro>err
09:58<Sacro>"Butte"
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10:17<Gekz>lol
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11:48<dvdb>hi
11:49<dvdb>how can i found/make a city in a running openttd game?
11:49<Phantasm>Can't?
11:50<murr4y>openttd is a simulation
11:51<murr4y>in the real world, even if you're rich you can't just go somewhere empty and say "i want a new town HERE!"
11:51<Phantasm>murr4y: Actually you can.
11:52<Phantasm>Been done even.
11:52<murr4y>where?
11:52<murr4y>and when?
11:52<Phantasm>Can't remember exactly, but say, you open a mine somewhere.. Workers must stay somewhere, ...
11:52<Sacro>murr4y: see Milton Keynes
11:52<Phantasm>A town forms.
11:53<hylje>RealTTD
11:53<murr4y>oh
11:53<murr4y>well
11:53<murr4y>let's implement that then!
11:53<dvdb>murr4y: yea, you can ;-) In Switzerland some years (50?) ago, when Zurich grew, there were new "sub cities" etc.
11:53<hylje>suburbs
11:54<murr4y>ok ok
11:54<murr4y>i give up :p
11:55<dvdb>but in the newest version you cant?
11:55<+glx>it never was possible
11:56<dvdb>hm.
11:56<dvdb>unwell.
11:57<Phantasm>murr4y: And if you really want and have money, you can build a town and then sell the houses etc cheap to get people there. They will come.
11:57<dvdb>Phantasm: did you ever do that?
11:58<Phantasm>dvdb: It won't work in game, but in reality it works.
11:58<Phantasm>And no, I didn't do it in reality.
11:58<@peter1138>hmm, cheap houses
11:58<dvdb>it sounds very realistic; so yea.
11:58<@peter1138>i'd like one
11:59<dvdb>aren't in usa enough of them?
11:59<@peter1138>then i could sell my expensive house and have loads of money
11:59<murr4y>and what'd you spend that money on?
11:59<@peter1138>errr
11:59<@peter1138>ummm
11:59<@peter1138>another hosue? hehe
11:59<murr4y>:D
12:01<Phantasm>murr4y: You could sell your old expensive house to buy a new one cheap, for same price and thus get bigger one.
12:01<@peter1138>anyone know how to make twinview not fail with fullscreen games?
12:01<Phantasm>Of course it would take quite some time for the town to grow up.
12:02<murr4y>i never made twinview work properly
12:02<murr4y>i think xinerama does the trick
12:03<murr4y>i'm happy today
12:03<murr4y>sun is shining and all is well
12:04<murr4y>:)
12:07<@peter1138>twinview works
12:07<@peter1138>but fullscreen opengl stuff doesn't
12:08<@peter1138>openttd works ;)
12:08<SpComb>compiz + dual monitors = !
12:08<murr4y>yep :D
12:08<SpComb>it's annoying having all the dialogue boxes show up smack in the middle, split across the two monitors
12:08<@peter1138>that's true
12:08<SpComb>and not being able to maximize a window to a single monitor
12:08<SpComb>and websites that open up "fullscreen" popups
12:08<SpComb>perhaps I've had enough of compiz and gnome and should switch to ion3
12:09<@peter1138>hmm, well for me maximize only maximizes to the screen it's on
12:09<@peter1138>though i'm not using compiz
12:09<SpComb>I should probably stop using compiz
12:09<@peter1138>the border shadows don't work for me: (
12:10<SpComb>compiz works ok-ish for me, but the thing with dual monitors is annoying
12:10<SpComb>ready to give up compiz to improve it
12:10<SpComb>and a bit annoyed with gnome anyways
12:10<@peter1138>xfce? heh
12:10<murr4y>that doesn't have to do with compiz
12:10<murr4y>SpComb: use two screen sessions
12:10<murr4y>one for each screen
12:11<murr4y>that's better
12:11<SpComb>two separate X sessions?
12:11<murr4y>yeah
12:11<murr4y>then you don't need the same resolution either
12:11*SpComb wonders how that works
12:11<murr4y>if one's better than the other
12:11<murr4y>you don't have desktop files on the other one
12:12<murr4y>and have to customize gnome twice
12:12<SpComb>can you move applications etc between them?
12:12<murr4y>but other than that it's great
12:12<murr4y>no
12:12<@peter1138>twinview doesn't need the same resolution either
12:12<SpComb>copy-paste?
12:12<murr4y>yeah
12:12<SpComb>doesn't really sound like such a great solution
12:12<SpComb>gnome supports dual monitors sensibly without compiz
12:12<@peter1138>it's not, i tried it once
12:13<murr4y>depends on your taste i supposed
12:13<murr4y>worked great for me
12:13<murr4y>s/supposed/suppose/
12:15<murr4y>you rarely want to move things between them anyway
12:16<murr4y>if you have 4 workspaces, you get 2x4
12:16<murr4y>two cubes :D
12:18<@peter1138>hmm, i move things all the time
12:18<murr4y>indecisive?
12:18<murr4y>i know what i want ;)
12:20<murr4y>i usually have irc, msn, music on the right one
12:20<murr4y>and browsing, programming, ottd etc on the left one
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12:22<murr4y>oh and porn on the right one too
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12:22<SpComb>browsing and programming need to be on separate monitors
12:22<murr4y>constant porn running on one of the workspaces
12:23<murr4y>yeah i know
12:23<SpComb>editor/compiler/debugger/tester + documentation/browser
12:23<murr4y>i started off that way
12:23<murr4y>but i got so much distracted :p
12:23<@peter1138>documentation? :o
12:23<SpComb>yes
12:24<Eddi|zuHause3>what is a documentation?
12:24<Eddi|zuHause3>has anyone seen that before?
12:24<SpComb>the kind of thing that all good programmers write
12:24<SpComb>e.g. OpenTTD lacks it for the screenshot code :<
12:24<Eddi|zuHause3>what is a good programmer?
12:24<Eddi|zuHause3>has anyone seen that before?
12:24<SpComb>from time to time
12:24<SpComb>they tend to be pretty unpleasant people though
12:25<murr4y>how so?
12:26<Digitalfox>Any TT Forum topic where I can download some Open saves, that use lot's of train track signals? I'm doing something wrong in my signal design, since my trains get all mess up and eventually they get blocked..
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12:29<SpComb>murr4y: dunno, perhaps because of the code development procedures that you need to use to write good code
12:30<murr4y>they're unpleasant because of that?
12:30<+glx>Digitalfox: try ottdcoop wiki
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12:50<@Belugas>[12:28] <murr4y> they're unpleasant because of that? <-- naaa, because they are too often harrassed with stupid questions, stupid feature requests, stupid bug reports taht are most usually buggy users instead... and they get eager as time goes by
12:50<@Belugas>that is why
12:50<@Belugas>and then, they get sarcastic and... you know...
12:50<murr4y>haha
12:50<murr4y>good point
12:51<@Belugas>and did i mentionned crappy stupid patches?
12:51<@Belugas>(not all of them are crappy tough)...
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12:51<murr4y>:p
12:52<@Belugas>and... real life calls me again to duty
12:52<@Belugas>gone
12:52<murr4y>hey
12:52<murr4y>i'm real
12:53<murr4y>even tho i'm on the other side of the tubes
12:53<Prof_Frink>I'm not real
12:54<murr4y>no you're a cartoon character
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14:42<Splatman>What would cause a save game to fail to load with too many orders?
14:43<Splatman>I can tell its because the indwext is 2113929222
14:43<Splatman>but why would it go that high?
14:43<Splatman>A save from 3 months ago (game time) is fine
14:44<Splatman>Only added a few trains and planes since then
14:44<Splatman>but can't figure out what caused it
14:44<SmatZ>index can't be > 65535
14:44<SmatZ>savegame would be useful
14:44<SmatZ>the broken one
14:44<SmatZ>maybe the best solution is to put it at bugs.openttd.org
14:44<SmatZ>the non-brokan savegame would be nice, too
14:45<Splatman>I'm running a patched copy with ukrs
14:46<Eddi|zuHause3>what kind of patch?
14:46<Splatman>Um PBS Tracksharing and copy paste
14:46<Splatman>I belive
14:47<Splatman>YEp
14:47<Eddi|zuHause3>changing patches midgame may cause trouble
14:47<Splatman>This was done with thoese 3 from teh start
14:48<SmatZ>don't report bugs with patched OTTD versions
14:48<Eddi|zuHause3>yes, but did you update to newer revisions?
14:48<SmatZ>you should have mentioned it earlier :-P
14:48<Splatman>Its been the same rev from teh start
14:49<Splatman>I was trying to figure out what was causing teh bug so I could figure out who to point oit too
14:50<Eddi|zuHause3>well, it's most likely caused by one of these patches
14:50<Splatman>My guess is track sharing
14:50<Eddi|zuHause3>try to find a reproduceable case, and then try this case on a clean trunk, if it still happens, then report it here
14:51<Splatman>The problem is I can't find out what cuases it in the first place
14:51<Splatman>as it doesn't crash the game
14:51<Splatman>which I assume means the error is in the save code
14:58<Splatman>Is there anly guide to teh save game format?
15:02<Eddi|zuHause3>it's a simple RIFF format like any other, but i don't think that approach will lead you to the error
15:03<Eddi|zuHause3>if you suspect the tracksharing patch, you're better off talking to the developer of said patch
15:04<Splatman>Its the oly patch which should do anything with orders code
15:06<Digitalfox>Can someone help me out here? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=37697
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15:07<ln>who's going to win?
15:08<Eddi|zuHause3>if the loading chokes on the orders chunk does not mean the error is in there, it might be on the previous chunk which was processed
15:08<Eddi|zuHause3>ln: germany, who else?!? :p
15:09<ln>i didn't know they are participating
15:11<Eddi|zuHause3>germany is always participating
15:12<Eddi|zuHause3>germany is one of the countries that are automatically qualified
15:13<frosch123>you can buy the qualification, but not the victory :p
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15:13<Eddi|zuHause3>obviously ;)
15:13<bowman>participating in what?
15:13<SmatZ>[21:13:03] <frosch123> you can buy the qualification, but not the victory :p <-- are you sure?
15:14<Eddi|zuHause3>SmatZ: well, germany managed to win only once
15:14<SmatZ>if you are talking about eurovision... people here are not really interested in it
15:14<bowman>meh
15:15<Eddi|zuHause3>who is "people" and what is "here"?
15:15<SmatZ>but our signer there got there because one recording company said its employees to send her SMS...
15:15<Prof_Frink>Request for topic: | No Eurovision |
15:15<SmatZ>people = people, here = czech republic
15:16<frosch123>people of which age?
15:16<Prof_Frink>Dark
15:16<SmatZ>I think people of any age
15:16<SmatZ>those people really can't sign :-/
15:16<SmatZ>*sing
15:16<yorick>[21:15] <Prof_Frink> Request for topic: | No Eurovision | <-- and | NO LN-s to enforce English Only |
15:17<bowman>I second that
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15:18<ln>enforcing English only is so May 2008's
15:20<yorick>it is like...May 2008?
15:20<ln>quite late May 2008
15:21<ln>oh, it's germany
15:21<yorick>quite.
15:22<Sacro>EUROVISION :D
15:22<SmatZ>Eddi|zuHause3: they can't win with that voice!
15:22<SmatZ>that's terrible, sorry :-x
15:23<Sacro>my god the german entry sounds like a bag of dying cats
15:23<Eddi|zuHause3>they sounded better once upon time :p
15:23<Sacro>my god
15:23<Sacro>this makes me wonder WHO FAILED TO QUALIFY ><
15:24<SmatZ>:-D
15:24<Eddi|zuHause3>well, honestly, i also think that was a bad performance
15:24<Eddi|zuHause3>the song sounded better in a recording i heard
15:25<Sacro>i'd do her in the dark
15:25<SmatZ>hehe
15:26<Eddi|zuHause3>which one? :p
15:26<Prof_Frink>Sacro: Paper bag job?
15:27<Sacro>Prof_Frink: hmm, i don't know
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15:29<Eddi|zuHause3>but he can't sing either
15:30<SmatZ>can anyone at eurovision sing?
15:30<Eddi|zuHause3>occasionally :p
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15:32<Eddi|zuHause3>it's already dark in belgrad?
15:33<ln>isn't it like 22:33 over there?
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15:33<Sacro>ahh terry wogan
15:33<Sacro>i love the racism
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15:36<CIA-3>OpenTTD: frosch * r13233 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
15:36<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Fix: Replace some (incorrect) evaluations of TileOwner by RoadOwner.
15:36<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Fix: Before evaluating RoadOwner, check if the roadtype is present.
15:36<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Fix: Some places assumed that MP_ROAD means normal street.
15:36<ln>all rise
15:38<Sacro>someone should tell him his guitar isn't plugged in
15:39<SpComb> ssh, might hurt his feelings
15:39<hylje>bad ssh!
15:42<Sacro>was he in the godfather...
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16:04<Eddi|zuHause3>latvia is clearly the favourite :p
16:04<SmatZ>:-D
16:04<SmatZ>I think I will go to Eurovision next year
16:05<SmatZ>as singer
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16:09<Eddi|zuHause3>and this one put too much botox on
16:10<ln>bjarniland!
16:10<yorick>where?
16:11<Prof_Frink>ln: No, it's Bjardonia.
16:11<ln>Bjarnistan.
16:11<yorick>I'm a Bjardonan!
16:11<Eddi|zuHause3>Bjarnien
16:11<hylje>bjarnoslovakia
16:11<yorick>Eddi is a Bjardanan!
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16:16<ln>are the songs dubbed in german?
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16:18<bowman>hehe
16:20<Eddi|zuHause3>:p
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16:56<xTs>hi.
16:56<xTs>Is there a way to play openttd without the original tt files?
16:59<frosch123>psst - they are all sleeping in front of eurovision
16:59<frosch123>but: no
17:00<xTs>ihhk... who wants to watch a show like this?
17:00<xTs>and there's really no way? Hm :/
17:00<xTs>then i've got to find another game to kill time
17:02<xTs>bye
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17:03<Wolf01>'night
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17:11<Eddi|zuHause3>they have an interesting tuba-variation ;)
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17:24<Prof_Frink>frosch123: You could have told him about the 3407
17:27<ln>fi > se
17:29<Eddi|zuHause3>germany 0 points :p
17:30<Eddi|zuHause3>traditionally, germany gets lots of points from german speaking countries
17:30<Eddi|zuHause3>i.e. austria, switzerland and mallorca
17:31<ln>traditionally, finland gets 1 point from sweden and zero from all others.
17:32<Eddi|zuHause3>one member of the german group is from bulgaria
17:34<Digitalfox>Strange the most rich nations of EU are the last in Eurovision.. :p
17:35<Sacro>Digitalfox: block voting
17:35<Sacro>nobody fears us so they don't feel they need to vote
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17:36<Digitalfox>Did you se the ones who have more votes? Like no offense everybody but most of them are really poor :\
17:36<Sacro>yes
17:36<Sacro>but russia is at the top
17:36<Eddi|zuHause3>Digitalfox: historically, the poor people always outnumber the rich people
17:36<Sacro>and armenia
17:37<Sacro>like terry said "they don;t want to lose electric and oil from russia"
17:37<ln>bjarni 12 points
17:39<Digitalfox>Ukraine should give Portugal all the points since we have here atleast half people of that country..
17:39<ben_goodger>oh dear, eurovision
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17:40<Eddi|zuHause3>Digitalfox: that was very clearly to be seen in the portuguese vote :p
17:42<Digitalfox>Eddi|zuHause3: who said Ukraine people have money to call?? They are just here to earn money and send it to Ukraine :p
17:42<Sacro>Digitalfox: ukraine gave 12 points to russia in exhcange for oil/electric
17:42<ln>Sacro: and independence
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17:43<Digitalfox>Is just it seems eurovision is no longer about quality but about interests and to see who gives more shine to the shoes of others.. :p
17:44<Prof_Frink>"no longer about quality"
17:44<Sacro>yes
17:44<Sacro>Prof_Frink: ABBA pwned
17:44<Sacro>best british eurovision group evar
17:46<Digitalfox>How is it called the group the finland group that won last year?
17:47<Sacro>finland didn't win last year
17:47<Sacro>hence it being held in belgrade this year
17:47<Sacro>fail :p
17:48<Digitalfox>I mean in 2006
17:49<Digitalfox>Sacro I don't follow eurovision that much.. Last year I didn't even see it..
17:49<Sacro>hehe
17:49<Sacro>Lordi
17:49<Digitalfox>Do they have a CD?
17:49<ln>a compact disc?
17:50<Eddi|zuHause3>the song was called "Hard Rock Halleluja" or so
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17:51<Sacro>Digitalfox: fair few
17:51<Digitalfox>ln I mean some studio work like a record or a single :p
17:51<Sacro>i snagged about 3 from tpb
17:51<ln>sure Lordi has many records
17:52<Sacro>yeah
17:52<Eddi|zuHause3>hm, spain is not nearly as high as i thought it would
17:53<Eddi|zuHause3>i thought greece would win, but they appear to lose to russia
17:54<Digitalfox>Love the swiss girl giving points =0
17:55<Eddi|zuHause3>i guess 2 points count as "high" these days :p
17:55<Sacro>Digitalfox: i'd tap that
17:55<Digitalfox>Oh shit let me clear the log or my girlfriend kills me
17:55<Eddi|zuHause3>but it really was an awful performance of the german grouü
17:55<Digitalfox>Belgrade also good material =0
17:55<Eddi|zuHause3>s/ü/p/
17:56<ln>Digitalfox: is she insane?
17:56<Digitalfox>ln what?
17:57<murr4y>nice sed there Eddi :D
17:57<murr4y>try s/\?/p/
17:57<ln>murr4y: UTF-8 is mandatory.
17:57<murr4y>what character was not utf-8?
17:58<Eddi|zuHause3>there was no ?
17:59<murr4y>no character that wasnt utf-8 you mean, right? :p
17:59<murr4y>or that there was no questionmark
17:59<Eddi|zuHause3>the latter
17:59<murr4y>hm
18:00<Sacro>Digitalfox: you mean she can't do !logs ;)
18:00<Digitalfox>Sacro I'm talking about local log ;)
18:01<Sacro>she's a hot blonde with nice breasticles
18:01<Sacro>LD
18:01<Sacro>:D
18:01<Sacro>@seen Bjarni
18:01<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 11 hours, 16 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <Bjarni> no answer...
18:01<Sacro>aww, he needs to be here
18:01<ln>did soviet union or DDR participate?
18:02<Sacro>dance dance revolution?
18:02<ln>double data rate, of course.
18:03<Sacro>hmm
18:04<ln>the damn Yugoslavia should vote and receive votes as one entity.
18:05<ln>same goes for the CCCP.
18:05<Digitalfox>Wow just see greece girl, now I know why they won so many points..
18:06<Sacro>i'd do her
18:06<Sacro>so many hot girls
18:06<Sacro>YE GADS
18:06<SmatZ>wasn't finland part of russia 100 years ago?
18:06<Digitalfox>sacro hell yeah, I'll do first then give her to you =0
18:06<SmatZ>I think Finland should vote together with Russia, too
18:07<Digitalfox>SmatZ why?
18:07<SmatZ>hey ln you won!
18:07<SmatZ>Digitalfox: ln started about historical unions and federations...
18:08<Sacro>that's ln?
18:08<SmatZ>hehe
18:08<Mchl>Then Poland should give 1/3 to Russia, 1/3 to Germany, 1/6 to Austria and 1/6 to Hungary...
18:09<Eddi|zuHause3>of course :p
18:09<Mchl>more or less :P
18:09<Mchl>Sweden could get something as well
18:09<Sacro>france should just bend over and give it all to germany
18:09<Sacro>and then plead with britian to help get it back
18:09<Mchl>LOL
18:09<Eddi|zuHause3>what part of poland was owned by sweden?
18:10<Sacro>and then keep it to themselves rather than thank the british for their help
18:10<Eddi|zuHause3>for a long time the dukes of saxony were kings of poland
18:11<Mchl>yes they were
18:12<Mchl>we were actually electing kings at that time...
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18:13<Eddi|zuHause3>it was not uncommon for kings to be elected by the next lower level of nobles
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18:14<Mchl>it didn't do too much good to Poland
18:15<CIA-3>OpenTTD: frosch * r13234 /trunk/src/ (5 files):
18:15<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Fix: Check/affect town rating when removing/bulldozing town-owned road under drivethrough stops.
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18:15<Eddi|zuHause3>the kaiser of germany (in the old empire) was usually elected by a group of 7 (later 9) electorates
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18:18<Mchl>in poland, all nobles could take part in election
18:18<Mchl>not all of them actually cared anyway
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18:19<Eddi|zuHause3>original electors were the Bishops of Mainz, Köln and Trier, and the dukes of the Pfalz, Sachsen, Brandenburg and the king of Bohemia
18:19<Eddi|zuHause3>later it was extended by the dukes of Bayern (Bavaria) and Hannover
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18:26<ln>for some bizarre reason Hannover is Hanover in english
18:27<Eddi|zuHause3>the interesting part about that is that the duke of Hannover and the king of england was the same at that time
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18:29<Mchl>sheeesh... nobody seemed to be interested in electing polish nobles as their kings... even poles
18:29<ln>and it cannot be a coincidence that last time i visited hannover, also Tony Blair and Putin were there.
18:29<Mchl>now that's too much to attribute it to pure chance
18:30<Mchl>ln: are you involved in petrobussiness somehow?
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18:31<ln>no, i prefer coal cars.
18:31<Sacro>i prefer women
18:31<Sacro>but each to their own
18:33<ln>Sacro: well, which one has more energy to warm you up, a woman or a fully loaded coal car?
18:33<ln>all night
18:36<ln>and also, night all
18:36<ln>notte a tutti
18:37<Mchl>night
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18:37<ln>Sacro: btw, it was kind of a rhetorical question, you do not need to go investigate in the middle of the night. come back in.
18:39<Sacro>that is true...
18:39*Sacro stops burning women
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18:48<CIA-3>OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Change [API CHANGE]: AITunnel.GetOtherTunnelEnd() now returns INVALID_TILE if no other end is found
18:48<CIA-3>OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add [FS#2028]: added AIBridge.GetOtherBridgeEnd() which allows you to find the other end of a bridge
18:53<CIA-3>OpenTTD: truebrain * r13236 /3rdparty/squirrel/ (26 files in 5 dirs): [Squirrel] -Update: updated Squirrel to 2.2
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19:38<Sacro>http://yawoot.com/post/596 whoops
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19:47<Eddi|zuHause3>@calc 12166/2167
19:47<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause3: 5.61421319797
19:47<Eddi|zuHause3>@calc 11244/1920
19:47<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause3: 5.85625
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21:05<break19>anyone have suggestions/ideas for a relative noob to signals? I can do most things ok, but I sometimes have problems with trains wanting to go the wrong way on my double-track lines...
21:06<break19>I have 5 or 6 cities linked with a long double-track, and each city then branches off.. trains run fine until they hit a depot, and constantly want to go out the wrong way..
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22:01<imachine>Hi
22:01<imachine>I have some issues with 0.60
22:01<imachine>I have no music.
22:01<imachine>running on Linux, timidity++ installed, gm files both in ~/.openttd/gm and in /usr/share/openttd/gm/ and in /usr/share/openttd/data/gm
22:01<imachine>no go.
22:02<imachine>If I play them with timidity manually, they work great.
22:02<imachine>there is no issue with sound blocking because I can play timidity files and run openttd and it works good.
22:02<imachine>any suggestions? it worked on older versions of openttd.
22:02<imachine>I'm running ArchLinux.
22:02<imachine>http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/GNU/Linux#Playing_the_soundtrack
22:03<imachine>I've read here that the way I used to play music is outdated now.
22:03<imachine>could someone update the info?
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22:07<Sacro>imachine: there isn't an 0.60
22:07<Sacro>imachine: ArchLinux you say?
22:08<Sacro>hm, well seeing as i wrote the ArchLinux openttd PKGBUILDs i should maybe know what to do...
22:08<Sacro>but where is he...
22:08<imachine>Sacro, yes, I meant 0.6.0
22:08<Sacro>heh :)
22:09<Sacro>err...
22:09<Sacro>i'm not sure if you need to run the timidity daemon
22:09<imachine>and I installed from binary
22:09<Sacro>pacman?
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22:09<imachine>I didn't have to run it as a daemon before (that is before 0.6.0)
22:09<imachine>yepp
22:09<Sacro>hmm
22:09*Sacro fires up Arch
22:09<imachine>community/openttd 0.6.0-3
22:09<Sacro>yeah
22:09<imachine>:
22:09<Sacro>-3?
22:09<imachine>:)
22:09<imachine>aparently so
22:09<Sacro>i don't recall making any changes
22:10<imachine>I can quickly pull it from abs
22:10<imachine>maybe they removed midi support? is that possibe?
22:10<imachine>possible*
22:10<Sacro>just checking ABS
22:10<Sacro>well AUR
22:11<Sacro>ah yes
22:11<Sacro>-3 is for the icon path
22:11<imachine>yes?
22:11<imachine>;>
22:11<imachine>well I'm getting it..
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22:11<Sacro>did you install freepats?
22:11<Sacro>but then if you have it working from timidity, then it's found something
22:12<+glx>did you press "play" in music player?
22:12<imachine>yeah, timidity itself works
22:12<imachine>glx, d'oh yes ofcourse ;]
22:12<imachine>it just keeps on spinning through the tracks like mad
22:12<imachine>doesn't play
22:12<Sacro>ahh
22:12<Sacro>it doesn't find the files then i think
22:12<imachine>yeah well
22:12<imachine>they're there..
22:12<Sacro>did you put the files in /usr/share/openttd/gm/ ?
22:12<imachine>at least they're where I said they are
22:12<imachine>I have some symlink magic there
22:12<imachine>(/usr/share/openttd/gm is a symlink to /usr/share/openttd/data/gm
22:13<imachine>but that shouldn't be a problem huh ?
22:13<Sacro>i don't think so
22:13<Sacro>what about permissions?
22:13<imachine>exactly
22:13<+glx>why put them in data?
22:13<imachine>hang on
22:13<imachine>glx, no reason really
22:13<Sacro>well if you can play em in timidity as your user
22:13<Sacro>then it should be ok
22:13<imachine>Sacro, 644
22:13<imachine>yeah
22:13<Sacro>hmm, mine are 755
22:13<imachine>;]
22:13<Sacro>but why is a midi executable
22:13<Sacro>pff
22:13<imachine>well I don't need to open them
22:13<imachine>:P
22:13<imachine>i mean run them
22:13<imachine>yeah
22:13<imachine>;]
22:14<imachine>timidity plays fine
22:14<imachine>if i choose 'timidity /usr/share/openttd/gm/file.gm' it plays
22:14<imachine>I have soundfonts etc.
22:14<Sacro>right, not running the alsa daemon here
22:14<imachine>so it's good.
22:14<Sacro>actually. in your config
22:14<Sacro>.openttd/openttd.cfg
22:15<imachine>yes
22:15<Sacro>what do you have for extmidi =
22:15<imachine>timidity
22:15<imachine>(I tried /usr/bin/timidity)
22:15<Sacro>that seems right
22:15<Sacro>well it should be in your path
22:15<imachine>(and /usr/bin/timidity -Ai -Os)
22:15<Sacro>glx: is there a debug mode?
22:15<Gekz_>did you check for midi support at compile time
22:15<+glx>-d misc
22:15<imachine>Gekz_, no I don't think so.
22:16<Gekz_>check.
22:16<Sacro>Gekz_: it's there
22:16*Sacro wrote the PKGBUILD :P
22:16<Gekz_>Sacro: you said yourself you dont remember modifying it
22:16<Gekz_>doesnt mean you didnt.
22:16<Gekz_>lol
22:16<Gekz_>doesnt mean someone else didnt
22:16<imachine>glx, -d misc shows nothing.
22:16<Sacro> ./configure --install-dir=$startdir/pkg/ --prefix-dir=/usr --binary-dir=/bin --data-dir=/share/openttd --icon-dir=/share/pixmaps --personal-dir=.openttd || return 1
22:16<+glx>hmm -d driver9 may show interestng stuff
22:16<Gekz_>Sacro: whats teh BUILDDEPS?
22:17<Gekz_>because you didnt specify the midi switch
22:17<Sacro>BUILDDEPS?
22:17<imachine>dbg: [driver] Successfully probed music driver 'extmidi'
22:17<imachine>dbg: [driver] extmidi: set volume not implemented
22:17<Sacro>imachine: same here
22:17<Gekz_>meaning if it doesnt find the build dependency then you're screewed.
22:17<imachine>glx, that's about all
22:17<Sacro>depends=(libpng sdl gcc-libs fontconfig)
22:17<+glx>so music should work
22:17<Gekz_>timidity should be there if you want midi, no?
22:17<Sacro>no
22:17<Gekz_>at compile time
22:17<imachine>no
22:17<Sacro>not iirc
22:17<Sacro>it works fine here
22:17<imachine>(maybe in 0.6.0)
22:17<+glx>no it's an external player
22:18<imachine>but not in prev versions
22:18<Sacro>so we can assume the PKGBUILD and binary work fine
22:18<Sacro>so it must be imachine's setup
22:18<imachine>damnations
22:18<imachine>skipping the symlinks is the same
22:19<imachine>no dif
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22:19<Sacro>hmm, not sure
22:19<Sacro>i don't recall having to do anything else
22:19<imachine>I even tried moving the config
22:19<imachine>no diff
22:20<+glx>are you sure it uses the right cfg?
22:20<Sacro>glx: yes, it uses .openttd/openttd.cfg
22:20<imachine>yes
22:20<break19>anyone familiar with the OSX version? I don't seem to -have- a .cfg file where I can enable 32bit gfx?
22:20<imachine>i have no other configs
22:21<imachine>I'm on x86_64..
22:21<imachine>if it's any difference..
22:21<imachine>but it worked fine
22:21<Sacro>oooh
22:21<Sacro>i'm not sure
22:21<imachine>well... timidity plays
22:21<+glx>break19: you started the game once?
22:21<imachine>if i run it manually
22:21<imachine>so it ought'n be a diffrence
22:21<break19>glx: more than once. :)
22:21<imachine>oepnttd just calls timidity doesn't it
22:21<Sacro>sigh
22:21<Sacro>where are all the community pkgbuilds
22:21<imachine>yeah
22:21<Sacro>cvs has gone
22:22<imachine>hehe
22:22<+glx>break19: try to check the readme
22:22<Sacro>and nobody has updated the link on au
22:22<imachine>i's in abs
22:22<Sacro>*aur
22:22<imachine>just pull it with 'abs community'
22:22<+glx>I'm sure there is some info about where it should be
22:22<imachine>then cd /var/abs/community/games/openttd
22:22<imachine>:)
22:22<Sacro>http://repos.archlinux.org/viewvc.cgi/community/games/openttd/PKGBUILD?revision=1.18&root=community&view=markup
22:22<Sacro>that is the PKGBUILD
22:22<imachine>aye
22:22<imachine>;P
22:22<imachine>'tis
22:22<Sacro>glx: take a look
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22:23<+glx>break19: ~/Documents/OpenTTD
22:23<break19>glx: found it, thanks
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22:24<break19>i thought I'd looked there.. twice.. but I guess I hadnt. lol
22:25<Sacro>imachine: not suere what else to suggest :(
22:26<imachine>yeah
22:26<imachine>it sucks
22:26<imachine>i like midi
22:26<imachine>;(
22:26<Sacro>me too
22:26<+glx>Sacro: it's .ORG not .COM
22:27<Sacro>glx: ?
22:27<Sacro>meaning
22:27<+glx>url="http://www.openttd.com" <-- there
22:27<Sacro>pff
22:27<Sacro>that's no biggie
22:27<Sacro>as you'll find openttd.com works
22:28<+glx>I know .com works, but the official is .org
22:28<Sacro>but tis 3:30 am
22:28<Sacro>glx: i'll post it as a bug, get it updated...
22:28<Sacro>goodnight chaps
22:29<+glx>night
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22:31<imachine>:/
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22:31<imachine>so no solution heh?
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22:31<imachine>that blows
22:31<imachine>what else can I check with debug ?
22:32<imachine>the music is there 100%
22:32<imachine>and timitidy works 100%
22:32<imachine>:/
22:33<imachine>dbg: [driver] extmidi: set volume not implemented
22:33<imachine>could this be causing troubles?
22:33<+glx>no that's ok :)
22:33<imachine>could it be that the device is blocked?
22:33<imachine>it's 04.33 am
22:33<imachine>but I'd like to beat this
22:34<+glx>does it work with -snull ?
22:34<imachine>no
22:34<imachine>oh
22:34<imachine>it does now
22:34<imachine>:i
22:35<imachine>so it's blocking device huh ?
22:35<+glx>looks like it as -snull disable sound
22:35<imachine>yeas
22:35<imachine>also, I've enabled timidity alsa daemon
22:35<imachine>but that doesn't make a difference ;)
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22:36<+glx>I can't help more as I'm not a linux user
22:36<imachine>well that's just silly! because if I play timidity in the background, then run openttd - I have both midi and sounds working :)
22:36<+glx>linux and sound devices :)
22:36<+glx>alwasy fun
22:36<imachine>ok np done and sorted
22:36<imachine>export SDL_AUDIODRIVER="alsa"
22:36<imachine>that's the solution
22:36<imachine>;)
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22:37<+glx>I'm sure it's on the wiki
22:37<+glx>somewhere
22:37<imachine>hmm. haven't found it.
22:39<+glx>hmm indeed it's not on wiki, but I'm sure I already saw this solution somewhere
22:40<imachine>I just pasted it on the forums
22:40<imachine>maybe someone else will find it useful
22:40<imachine>gotta play then
22:40<imachine>ta-da!
22:40<imachine>thanks for the chats ;]
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