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02:08<@peter1138:#openttd>120GB!
02:09<Forked:#openttd>¯\(º_o)/¯
02:20<Pikka:#openttd>zomg
02:20<Pikka:#openttd>woo.. 100 years on peter's server, and it's only 1975 :)
02:23<ccfreak2k:#openttd>That's a long time for a server to be around.
02:24<Pikka:#openttd>I refer, of course, to OTTD! :O
02:26<@peter1138:#openttd>Hee
03:24<planetmaker:#openttd>morning ottd :)
03:26<planetmaker:#openttd>TrueBrain: great job. Thx a lot! :)
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03:37<@peter1138:#openttd>work :o
03:37<Pikka:#openttd>how terribly terribly!
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06:13<TrueBrain:#openttd>lalala: HAPPY!
06:13<TrueBrain:#openttd>lalalaaaaa: JOY!
06:13<FauxFaux:#openttd>Lallala!
06:13<Gekz:#openttd>l.
06:13<FauxFaux:#openttd>a.
06:13<Gekz:#openttd>TrueBrain: why are you happy
06:13<TrueBrain:#openttd>O S X ! ! :p
06:14<Gekz:#openttd>explain
06:14<TrueBrain:#openttd>read the web
06:14<Gekz:#openttd>I can't
06:14<Gekz:#openttd>it's far too vast to read it all
06:14<TrueBrain:#openttd>so I suggested limiting yourself
06:14<Gekz:#openttd>and by the time I had finished, it will have been rewritten
06:15<Gekz:#openttd>TrueBrain: you just made the internet shit bricks
06:15<Gekz:#openttd>good show.
06:17<TrueBrain:#openttd>My ignore list is getting so big lately ..
06:17<Gekz:#openttd>I don't belong on it.
06:18<Gekz:#openttd>I make valid points, and agree with your awesome compilation triumph
06:18<TrueBrain:#openttd>fair enough :p
06:19<Gekz:#openttd>you have inspired me to install MacOS X on this non-Apple hardware this weekend
06:19<SpComb:#openttd>how illegal
06:19<Gekz:#openttd>not if I own the disk.
06:19<SpComb:#openttd>Steve Jobs will personally attend to the fact that you go to hell
06:20<Gekz:#openttd>Australian law doesnt allow software to be binded to a specific hardware
06:20<Gekz:#openttd>it doesnt even recognise software as anything
06:20<TrueBrain:#openttd>Gekz: I don't have a dvdrom (or any other medium that can read those round objects), so I can't :(
06:20<Gekz:#openttd>and a pirate as someone who makes others walk a plank
06:20<SpComb:#openttd>and Apple still sells software in AU? :P
06:20<Gekz:#openttd>TrueBrain: you can turn DVD isos into USB bootable disks
06:20<Gekz:#openttd>with a simple script
06:20<Gekz:#openttd>:P
06:20<Gekz:#openttd>SpComb: they just openned many more shops
06:20<TrueBrain:#openttd>Gekz: but I don't think 4.9 GB fits on a 1 GB stick
06:20<TrueBrain:#openttd>I can always try
06:20<TrueBrain:#openttd>but ... I doubt it can be done
06:21<Gekz:#openttd>SpComb: its really hard to put MacOS X on other systems
06:21<Gekz:#openttd>TrueBrain: dont be a fool -_-!
06:21<Gekz:#openttd>lol
06:21<Gekz:#openttd>the clear alternative is to purchase an absurdly priced 16Gb usb stick
06:21<TrueBrain:#openttd>Gekz: it is REALLY simple to put Mac OS X on an other system ..
06:21<TrueBrain:#openttd>OSX86 to the rescue!!!!!
06:21<Gekz:#openttd>it's not that simple
06:21<Gekz:#openttd>the drivers are in lacking.
06:22<Gekz:#openttd>and your processor has to be friendly
06:22<TrueBrain:#openttd>you just need a realtek or AMD network card
06:22<Gekz:#openttd>I have realtek
06:22<Gekz:#openttd>lol
06:22<Gekz:#openttd>who doesnt.
06:22<SpComb:#openttd>intel
06:22<TrueBrain:#openttd>your CPU .. well .. everything that has dual core is fine
06:22<Gekz:#openttd>Pentium 4 HT
06:22<TrueBrain:#openttd>non dual cores can be a problem
06:22<SpComb:#openttd>Apple sells hardware with AMD?
06:22<Gekz:#openttd>with SSE3
06:22<TrueBrain:#openttd>you need at least SS2
06:22<TrueBrain:#openttd>SSE3 if possible
06:22<TrueBrain:#openttd>and PPF1
06:22<TrueBrain:#openttd>SpComb: no
06:22<Gekz:#openttd>wtf is PPF
06:22<TrueBrain:#openttd>OSX86 has a nice patch for it
06:23<Gekz:#openttd>flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl cid xtpr
06:23<TrueBrain:#openttd>same as for the ATA drivers
06:23<Gekz:#openttd>but still
06:24<Gekz:#openttd>I don't like MacOS X that much
06:24<TrueBrain:#openttd>Gekz: I mistyped :p I meant to say: and get the PPF1 iso
06:24<Gekz:#openttd>it wants me to everything "the MAC way"
06:24<Gekz:#openttd>I want to do it the fastest way
06:24<Gekz:#openttd>not the Mac way
06:24<Gekz:#openttd>>_>
06:24<Gekz:#openttd>I like efficiency
06:24*SpComb:#openttd uses ion3
06:24<Gekz:#openttd>I dont find being mouseless efficient
06:24*Gekz:#openttd hates emacs
06:24*SpComb:#openttd uses vim
06:25<Gekz:#openttd>but most of the crap I use is console
06:25*SpComb:#openttd uses uxterm
06:25<Gekz:#openttd>except Firefox
06:25<Gekz:#openttd>and Pidgin
06:25<Gekz:#openttd>I'm in xfce4-terminal
06:25<Gekz:#openttd>uxterm is ugly.
06:25*SpComb:#openttd uses firefox3, thunderbird, irssi/bitlbee
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06:25<SpComb:#openttd>not as ugly as gnome-terminal or konsole, though
06:25<Gekz:#openttd>I use geany for my text editing
06:26<Gekz:#openttd>I want my OS to be semi-merged with the internet I've decided
06:28<TrueBrain:#openttd>Download Google
06:28<TrueBrain:#openttd>I simply use KDevelop, NX, Konversation ..
06:28<TrueBrain:#openttd>I like my GUIs :)
06:28<Gekz:#openttd>KDevelop sucks to be honest
06:28<Gekz:#openttd>I'm a minimalist
06:28<Gekz:#openttd>yet I want everything to be done quickly and prettily
06:29<TrueBrain:#openttd>in your opinion it sucks, that is possible
06:29<Gekz:#openttd>I have to start programming my own stuff
06:29<TrueBrain:#openttd>but it doesn't mean the application itself sucks :)
06:29<TrueBrain:#openttd>it utilizes my time much more
06:29<TrueBrain:#openttd>(I can't remember names, and not plan to, so using any CLI application means I need to remember .... I want to clikc! CLICK!!)
06:29<Gekz:#openttd>i'm getting out a pen and paper
06:29<Gekz:#openttd>its more efficient than anythign I have right now
06:29<Gekz:#openttd>-_-
06:30<TrueBrain:#openttd>my writing sucks
06:30<TrueBrain:#openttd>last time I tried it, the professor returned it with the question what the fuck I was trying to write
06:30<TrueBrain:#openttd>a bit annoying ;)
06:30<Gekz:#openttd>lol
06:30*peter1138:#openttd ponders foodage.
06:30<Gekz:#openttd>which language?
06:30<TrueBrain:#openttd>what does the language matter for my writing?
06:30<TrueBrain:#openttd>lol
06:30<Gekz:#openttd>erm
06:30<Gekz:#openttd>Arabic vs English?
06:30<Gekz:#openttd>matters a lot.
06:30<TrueBrain:#openttd>what ever Latin language, okay? :p
06:31<Gekz:#openttd>French
06:31<TrueBrain:#openttd>it really doesn't matter which one, my handwriting sucks
06:31<Gekz:#openttd>lol
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06:31<Gekz:#openttd>C'est langue français!
06:31<TrueBrain:#openttd>Dih: keep on trying :p
06:31<Gekz:#openttd>Partir, partir!
06:31<TrueBrain:#openttd>Gekz: je ne parle pas Francais
06:31<Gekz:#openttd>You lie.
06:31<Gekz:#openttd>lol
06:32<Gekz:#openttd>Czech?
06:33<TrueBrain:#openttd>caan we put that down under Latin language?
06:33<TrueBrain:#openttd>:p
06:33<Gekz:#openttd>did I guess right?
06:33<Gekz:#openttd>lol
06:33<dih:#openttd>TrueBrain: i just wrote a little tcl script that has different output per date and nick
06:33<TrueBrain:#openttd>what were you trying to guess?
06:33<dih:#openttd>hence the nick change
06:33<Gekz:#openttd>the language you were writing in
06:33<Gekz:#openttd>when you were told your handwriting was bad
06:33<Gekz:#openttd>and I know that Czech is not a latin language
06:33<TrueBrain:#openttd>Gekz: I really wonder from which planet you are from ..
06:33<Gekz:#openttd>slavic language.
06:34<Gekz:#openttd>I am from Satin.
06:34<TrueBrain:#openttd>it is not the language, it is the alphabet you nitwit
06:34<Gekz:#openttd>the best fabric ever.
06:34<Gekz:#openttd>the language matters too
06:34<Gekz:#openttd>when r is a vowel, everything gets ugly
06:34<Gekz:#openttd>:P
06:34<TrueBrain:#openttd>I rethink that ignore idea of mine .. :p :p
06:34<TrueBrain:#openttd>Dih: ah :)
06:35<Gekz:#openttd>TrueBrain: well just answer me this, what languages do you speak?
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06:36<TrueBrain:#openttd>Many! :)
06:36<TrueBrain:#openttd>well, not that other people speaking that language can always understand me
06:36<Gekz:#openttd>listlistlist
06:36<Gekz:#openttd>lol
06:36<TrueBrain:#openttd>but I would like to think I speak those languages as well
06:36<Gekz:#openttd>danish/swedish/norwegian?
06:36<Gekz:#openttd>lol
06:37<TrueBrain:#openttd>once was in Israel, and I went like: gabbelgabbelgabbel
06:37<TrueBrain:#openttd>they arrested me :(
06:37<Gekz:#openttd>haha
06:37<TrueBrain:#openttd>was so unfair!
06:37<Gekz:#openttd>why
06:37<TrueBrain:#openttd>I Thought that was their language, and I was asking for a cup of tea!
06:37<TrueBrain:#openttd>I didn't know it was insulting :(
06:37<Gekz:#openttd>I dont speak Hebrew, nor Yiddish
06:37<TrueBrain:#openttd>neither do I my friend, neither do I :)
06:37<Gekz:#openttd>haha
06:37<TrueBrain:#openttd>never been in Israel, to be perfectly clear on the joke
06:38<Gekz:#openttd>I speak English, French, bad German and a bit of Chinese Mandarin
06:38<TrueBrain:#openttd>(as of course people don't understand, and think I am serious)
06:38<TrueBrain:#openttd>that is thinking like I have a muffin which can talk
06:38<TrueBrain:#openttd>really annoying
06:38<TrueBrain:#openttd>it can walk btw, by now
06:39<Gekz:#openttd>lol.
06:39<Gekz:#openttd>I think you are mildly insane, just like me
06:39<Gekz:#openttd>and this is why you want to ignore me
06:39<Gekz:#openttd>because the belief that you have met your match is too much to grasp
06:39<Gekz:#openttd>:P
06:42<TrueBrain:#openttd>btw, if you are really interested in the languages I speak, you should just check the wiki page, and you will have a very good idea about that
06:42<Gekz:#openttd>O.O
06:47<Gekz:#openttd>English and Dutch
06:47<Gekz:#openttd>how broad.
06:48<TrueBrain:#openttd>and all the other languages you learn as a dutch person
06:48<TrueBrain:#openttd>French, German, ..
06:48<Gekz:#openttd>haha
06:48<Gekz:#openttd>learn doesnt mean you become fluent
06:48<TrueBrain:#openttd>never will, not even in englis
06:48<TrueBrain:#openttd>no intension to that what so ever
06:48<Gekz:#openttd>lol
06:49<TrueBrain:#openttd>as long as they can understand me
06:49<TrueBrain:#openttd>find by m
06:49<TrueBrain:#openttd>e
06:50<Gekz:#openttd>lol
06:51<TrueBrain:#openttd>your vocabulary is also so big ..
06:51<TrueBrain:#openttd>'lol', 'haha', ':P'
06:51<Gekz:#openttd>I speak English fluently. It may be as broad as I want.
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06:51<Gekz:#openttd>you're the one on trial with every word :P
06:52<TrueBrain:#openttd>you avoid it by using REALLY short words a lot ;)
06:52<TrueBrain:#openttd>also a way of course
06:53<TrueBrain:#openttd>(:p)
06:53<Gekz:#openttd>English doesn't really have that many long words
06:53<Gekz:#openttd>like most crazy ass germanic languages
06:53<TrueBrain:#openttd>shit
06:53<TrueBrain:#openttd>penis
06:53<TrueBrain:#openttd>inded :p
06:54<Gekz:#openttd>>_>
06:54<Gekz:#openttd>penis is in french and german
06:54<Gekz:#openttd>shit is universal now
06:54<Gekz:#openttd>lol
06:55<TrueBrain:#openttd>penis is kind of english
06:55<TrueBrain:#openttd>but okay
06:55<Gekz:#openttd>der Penis
06:55<Gekz:#openttd>le Penis
06:55<TrueBrain:#openttd>the Penis
06:55<TrueBrain:#openttd>de Penis
06:55<Gekz:#openttd>1676, perhaps from Fr. pénis or directly from L. penis "penis," earlier "tail" (cf. Eng. tail in both senses, the sexual one slang), from PIE *pes-/*pesos- "penis" (cf. Skt. pasas-, Gk. peos, posthe "penis," probably also O.E. fæsl "progeny, offspring," O.N. fösull, Ger. Fasel "young of animals, brood"). The proper plural is penes. The adj. is penial. In psychological writing, penis envy is attested from 1924.
06:56<TrueBrain:#openttd>4 languages :p (last is Dutch)
06:56<Gekz:#openttd>Dutch is amusing
06:56<Gekz:#openttd>substituting th with d
06:56<Gekz:#openttd>da Nederland
06:56<TrueBrain:#openttd>'da', lol
06:56<TrueBrain:#openttd>youth slang
06:56<TrueBrain:#openttd>like those wanne be rappers
06:56<TrueBrain:#openttd>they say: 'da'
06:56<Gekz:#openttd>what's the official?
06:57<TrueBrain:#openttd>'de'
06:57<Doorslammer:#openttd>Ha ha haa, Freudian!
06:57<Gekz:#openttd>ah
06:57<TrueBrain:#openttd>or in this case: 'het'
06:57<TrueBrain:#openttd>(Neutral)
06:57<Gekz:#openttd>didnt Dutch kill genders
06:57<TrueBrain:#openttd>only male/female
06:57<Gekz:#openttd>explain
06:57<Gekz:#openttd>lol
06:57<Gekz:#openttd>so now there's only neuter and ?
06:58<TrueBrain:#openttd>N and M/F
06:58<TrueBrain:#openttd>'het' and 'de'
06:58<TrueBrain:#openttd>much easier, I can tell you
06:58<Gekz:#openttd>I k,now
06:58<Gekz:#openttd>German still has all three genders
06:58<Gekz:#openttd>makes me upset
06:58<Gekz:#openttd>lolo
06:58<Gekz:#openttd>French, with two genders, so easy
06:58<TrueBrain:#openttd>well, French has '3' too .. 'les'
06:58<Gekz:#openttd>that's plural
06:58<TrueBrain:#openttd>still :)
06:58<Gekz:#openttd>doesnt count
06:59<TrueBrain:#openttd>that is why I used '3'
06:59<TrueBrain:#openttd>:)
06:59<Gekz:#openttd>german has die as a plural
06:59<Gekz:#openttd>which is saddening
06:59<TrueBrain:#openttd>Dutch in plural is always 'de'
06:59<Gekz:#openttd>confusing
06:59<Gekz:#openttd>their case system makes it worse
06:59<TrueBrain:#openttd>try learning old Greek :)
06:59<Gekz:#openttd>NO
06:59<Gekz:#openttd>I'm doing Latin
06:59<Gekz:#openttd>lol
06:59<TrueBrain:#openttd>Latin is okay
06:59<TrueBrain:#openttd>managable
06:59<TrueBrain:#openttd>old-Greek on the other hand .. omg ..
06:59<Gekz:#openttd>it's broken
06:59<Gekz:#openttd>right to left also
07:00<Gekz:#openttd>and then that right to left to right thing happened
07:00<TrueBrain:#openttd>right to lefT?!
07:00<Gekz:#openttd>that's ancient greek
07:00<Gekz:#openttd>it was right-to-left originally
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07:01<TrueBrain:#openttd>Gekz: that is early Greek, not a language you normally learn :p
07:01<Gekz:#openttd>lol
07:01<TrueBrain:#openttd>and it in fact was right-to-left, left-to-right, right-to-left, etc etc
07:01<Gekz:#openttd>I might
07:01<Gekz:#openttd>TrueBrain: that's what I said
07:01<Gekz:#openttd>except
07:01<TrueBrain:#openttd>mirroring the letters when going right-to-left
07:01<Gekz:#openttd>it started purely right to left
07:01<TrueBrain:#openttd>really annoying :p
07:01<Gekz:#openttd>then did the swapping
07:02<Gekz:#openttd>then left-to-right with inversed alphabet
07:02<TrueBrain:#openttd>but since the 5th centry BC, it was left to right
07:02<Gekz:#openttd>yes.
07:02<TrueBrain:#openttd>anyway, my knowledge of Greek is close to zero nowedays
07:03<TrueBrain:#openttd>I know like 5 words, and I hav a basic idea of the language constructs
07:03<Gekz:#openttd>I know _of_ Greek
07:03<TrueBrain:#openttd>scary language :p
07:03<TrueBrain:#openttd>'of Greek' = 'of the Greek language'
07:03<TrueBrain:#openttd>'muggesifter'
07:03<TrueBrain:#openttd>(look thatone up :p)
07:03<Gekz:#openttd>I refuse.
07:03<TrueBrain:#openttd>I wouldn't expect you otherwise
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07:04<Gekz:#openttd>lol
07:06<TrueBrain:#openttd>*** Would I find you smiling in the picture
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07:09<TrueBrain:#openttd>(guess the song :p)
07:10<Ammler:#openttd>TrueBrain: what is the reason for creating the mac bundle "universal"? I mean you don't make it with Linux or Windows.
07:11<TrueBrain:#openttd>Ammler: I don't understnad the question, sory?
07:11<Ammler:#openttd>never mind, was just wondering...
07:12<TrueBrain:#openttd>no, please rephrase
07:12<TrueBrain:#openttd>I like to answer :)
07:12<Ammler:#openttd>:-)
07:12<TrueBrain:#openttd>but .. well .. I don't get the question :(
07:12<Brianetta:#openttd>Ammler: Apple have a mechanism to select the correct binary from within an application.
07:12<Brianetta:#openttd>Windows and Linux do not.
07:12<Ammler:#openttd>I assume, you could also make single bundles for every architecture?
07:13<TrueBrain:#openttd>ah, like that: Ammler, it is common on the Mac to do so, I think Apple assumes their users are too stupid to pick the right binary for their system
07:13<TrueBrain:#openttd>it uses JAVA to bootstrap that process of selecting the correct binary
07:13<TrueBrain:#openttd>systems like linux and windows don't always come with java, so the 'trick' is impossible there
07:14<TrueBrain:#openttd>for linux it might be possible to do it in bash I guess
07:14<Ammler:#openttd>thanks TrueBrain and Brianetta :-)
07:14<TrueBrain:#openttd>but users are just smart enough to understand what they have :)
07:16<Ammler:#openttd>That assumption should also slowly go away, not every Linux user is also a smart user :-)
07:16<TrueBrain:#openttd>very true :)
07:17<TrueBrain:#openttd>but I think you can manage to differ between 32bit and 64bit
07:17<Ammler:#openttd>didn't me myslef :P
07:17<TrueBrain:#openttd>and to make one universal build for linux, which works on all distros .. well .. would be a big binary ;)
07:17<TrueBrain:#openttd>the mean reason Apple is doing it, is because of PPC / Intel
07:17<TrueBrain:#openttd>and I can understand it for that reason
07:17<TrueBrain:#openttd>you know you run 10.5, or 10.4
07:18<TrueBrain:#openttd>but do you know if you run Intel or PPC?
07:18<TrueBrain:#openttd>PPwhat?
07:18<TrueBrain:#openttd>:)
07:18<Ammler:#openttd>indeed.
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07:27<TrueBrain:#openttd>time to follow some classes
07:27<TrueBrain:#openttd>have a good one all
07:28<ccfreak2k:#openttd>TrueBrain, remember the days of FAT binaries on old Macs?
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08:28<bloopletech:#openttd>I believe I may have found a bug in OpenTTD, and I'd like to know if there is anything I can do to try and fix it, or at least confirm that it is a bug.
08:29<bloopletech:#openttd>I've tested this in both 0.6.2 and r14356 (the latest nightly), both on MAC OS X 10.5. I'll get a URL to my savegame now
08:31<blathijs:#openttd>bloopletech: Please describe the problem in a report on bugs.openttd.org
08:31<blathijs:#openttd>bloopletech: If you can reproduce the problems on other systems (or ask other people to reproduce) that would help
08:32<bloopletech:#openttd>I was just hoping to see if anyone else got the same error before I reported it.
08:32<bloopletech:#openttd>If anyone wants to try it, the URL is http://bloople.net/Standard Transport, 20th Dec 1989.sav
08:32<@Rubidium:#openttd>then tell what you think is the bug than telling that you might possibly have found something that might be a bug
08:32<ln-:#openttd>bloopletech: that's not a valid URL.
08:33<@peter1138:#openttd>So what's the possible bug?
08:33<bloopletech:#openttd>The error is, I have a train track laid over a road. The road was built by the town originally, and the rail track was laid by me. I want to delete the track to place an airport, however I get the error "Can't clear this area... ...owned by someone"
08:34<bloopletech:#openttd>ln-: URL's can contains spaces AFAIK, I can give you a percent-encoded version if you want
08:34<bloopletech:#openttd>This savefile was originally created in TTD on Windows with TTDPatch on it.
08:34<dih:#openttd>anybody know a nice tool do disassemble?
08:35<bloopletech:#openttd>dih: For running programs or static disassembling?
08:35<dih:#openttd>i have an image which aparently is assembler code and would like to go from there to source code
08:35<@peter1138:#openttd>Ah, you're out of luck if it's from TTDPatch then.
08:35<dih:#openttd>(at least the output of 'file' is 'Assembler source')
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08:36<bloopletech:#openttd>The rail track I'm trying to move is just west of "Little Flunninghall", in a biggish area of cleared space
08:36<@peter1138:#openttd>dih, assembler source is source...
08:37<dih:#openttd>i have a .img
08:37<dih:#openttd>the company itself distributes it as a firmware update file....
08:38<@peter1138:#openttd>Quite likely that 'file' is guessing incorrectly.
08:38<bloopletech:#openttd>dih: I believe it *may* be possible to decompile the program somewhat further, but you would need to know the language the program was originally written in. And I don't believe you'll get back to the original source at all.
08:39<@peter1138:#openttd>Dih asked for a disassembler though, not a decompiler.
08:39<ln-:#openttd>bloopletech: see http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1738.html and search for "unsafe".
08:40<bloopletech:#openttd>ln-: here's the encoded URL then: http://bloople.net/Standard%20Transport%2C%2020th%20Dec%201989.sav
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08:41<dih:#openttd>peter1138: dih!
08:41<Xerres:#openttd>anyone here know roboboy?
08:41<dih:#openttd>DorpsGek does
08:41<dih:#openttd>@seen roboboy
08:41<@DorpsGek:#openttd>dih: roboboy was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <roboboy> gnight
08:41<Xerres:#openttd>hes from au rite?
08:42<bloopletech:#openttd>Xerres: I'm from AU if it helps :)
08:42<dih:#openttd>Xerres: yep, he is
08:42<dih:#openttd>you can /whowas roboboy
08:42<Xerres:#openttd>nah roboboy use to hang out in a channel i use to hang out in
08:42<Xerres:#openttd>but he use to go by lerfy
08:42<Xerres:#openttd>years ago
08:42<bloopletech:#openttd>Does what I reported possibly sound like a bug? If so, then I'll submit a bug repot
08:42<dih:#openttd>and now you are stalking him?
08:43<Xerres:#openttd>of course
08:43<dih:#openttd>perfect
08:43<Xerres:#openttd>i was just bored popping in my old irc channels and #infowar was empty
08:43<dih:#openttd>that is just what people want - being stalked on irc
08:43<Xerres:#openttd>=)
08:44<@peter1138:#openttd>Oh wait... you're *that* Xerres
08:44<@peter1138:#openttd>Wow
08:44<@peter1138:#openttd>He said a lot about you
08:45<Xerres:#openttd> ya i didnt use this nick then either so nice try =P
08:45<@peter1138:#openttd>Damn
08:45<@peter1138:#openttd>:D
08:45<Xerres:#openttd>heheh
08:45<Xerres:#openttd>so what is this all about
08:45<Xerres:#openttd>transport tycoon.
08:45<Xerres:#openttd>never played it
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08:46<bloopletech:#openttd>Xerres: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_tycoon
08:47<Xerres:#openttd>ya i just read it
08:47<Xerres:#openttd>ty tho
08:47<bloopletech:#openttd>yw
08:47<Xerres:#openttd>i dont play many games anymore
08:47<Xerres:#openttd>i wish i did
08:47<Xerres:#openttd>although i'll prolly play diablo 3 when they realease that
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08:54<bloopletech:#openttd>I reported the bug if anyone is interested: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2311
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08:55<ccfreak2k:#openttd>Xerres, it's like RollerCoaster Tycoon, except without the rollercoasters.
08:57<dih:#openttd>yeah - replace rollercoasters with transport, then you have it!
08:58<bloopletech:#openttd>The really wierd thing is I can't remove the tile even with Magic Bulldozer turned on.
09:02<ccfreak2k:#openttd>Flip the switch to "more magic".
09:04<bloopletech:#openttd>ccfreak2k: Where
09:04<bloopletech:#openttd>sorry, whare's that switch?
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09:05<ccfreak2k:#openttd>http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/magic-story.html
09:07<bloopletech:#openttd>oh, hahaha. Read that story before.
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09:15<lobster_MB:#openttd>!seen TrueBrain
09:15<lobster_MB:#openttd>oh wai
09:15<lobster_MB:#openttd>@seen TrueBrain
09:15<@DorpsGek:#openttd>lobster_MB: TrueBrain was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 48 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> have a good one all
09:16<lobster_MB:#openttd>hrrrr
09:16<planetmaker:#openttd>bloopletech: interesting tile in your savegame :P
09:16<bloopletech:#openttd>planetmaker: the undeletable one?
09:16<planetmaker:#openttd>Did you edit the game with a scenario editor at some time? Yes, that tile
09:17<bloopletech:#openttd>Nup, never
09:17<@Rubidium:#openttd>it maybe has some random ttdp bits set
09:17<bloopletech:#openttd>The savgame did come from TTDPatch. I can't even kill it with Magic Bulldozer so it seems like it's definitely a bug.
09:18<planetmaker:#openttd>obviously. It's an owner which doesn't exist elsewhere and which is not an existing company or a near-by town or industry
09:18<bloopletech:#openttd>(Or bug coming from TTDP, I don't mena to blame penTTD unnecisarily)
09:18<bloopletech:#openttd>sorry, that was a horrible sentence I just typed.
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09:19<bloopletech:#openttd>Is there any way I could fix this in this particular case? Are the savefiles at all editable in a hex editor?
09:19<planetmaker:#openttd>how's the owner called in your version, bloopletech ?
09:19<bloopletech:#openttd>You mean in the error message?
09:19<planetmaker:#openttd>bloopletech: you could save it, rename it to *.scn and edit it in the scenario editor. Yes, the error message. Whom does the tile belong to?
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09:20<bloopletech:#openttd>I quote "someone"
09:20<planetmaker:#openttd>he, ok, that's even translated correctly then :)
09:20<bloopletech:#openttd>That's what I get when I do ? to. The rail owner is me, the road owner is "someone"
09:20<planetmaker:#openttd>yep
09:21<planetmaker:#openttd>same here. I can delete the rail, I can delete the surrounding tiles.
09:22<Gekz:#openttd>bloopletech: did you change grfs during this game
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09:22<bloopletech:#openttd>Gekz: Maybe. I'm not sure.
09:23<Gekz:#openttd>either way it's irrelevant.
09:23<Gekz:#openttd>lol
09:23<@Rubidium:#openttd>owner is player 0xc
09:24<dih:#openttd>if if it's not a vaild player, the macig buldozer should succeed
09:24<dih:#openttd>rather than just 'return'
09:25<planetmaker:#openttd>dih: it doesn't succeed though.
09:25<dih:#openttd>hence the word 'should'
09:25<planetmaker:#openttd>or do I need to do something else than activate that cheat?
09:25<dih:#openttd>patch!
09:25<@Rubidium:#openttd>the owner shouldn't be invalid in the first place
09:25<planetmaker:#openttd>:)
09:26<ccfreak2k:#openttd>Can you set a break on the magic bulldozer function and watch it?
09:26<planetmaker:#openttd>bloopletech: do you have the original TTD / TTDP savegame?
09:26<bloopletech:#openttd>I believe so, I'll dig it up for you
09:26<@Rubidium:#openttd>and magic bulldozer only works on town owned roads
09:26<planetmaker:#openttd>aye.
09:26<@Rubidium:#openttd>as you can remove roads owned by nobody
09:27<bloopletech:#openttd>planetmaker: I'm uploading the orig save to the bug report now
09:27<planetmaker:#openttd>k
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09:29<bloopletech:#openttd>planetmaker: It's up at http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2311
09:32<planetmaker:#openttd>hm... how do I load it at all?
09:32<bloopletech:#openttd>Do you have TTDPatch?
09:32<@Rubidium:#openttd>planetmaker: place it in the save map, click on the line with the non-normal coloured savegame name
09:33<@Rubidium:#openttd>(the latter in the load game menu ofcourse)
09:33<planetmaker:#openttd>I don't have patch. Thx. Rubidium, will try :)
09:33<planetmaker:#openttd>I didn't see it. The green and khaki colour were too much alike :)
09:35<planetmaker:#openttd>Seems like something already present in the original game file then.
09:35<@Rubidium:#openttd>the original game is fine; the savegame conversion messes it up
09:35<bloopletech:#openttd>Hm. When I try to remove same tile in TTDPatch, I get local authority forbids this.
09:35<planetmaker:#openttd>he :)
09:35<@Rubidium:#openttd>hmm, or 0.5 gives the wrong owner?
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09:36*Rubidium:#openttd rebuilds 0.5 with debugging info
09:36<planetmaker:#openttd>OpenTTD 0.5?? :P
09:36<bloopletech:#openttd>btw, I got the same error in 0.6. and latest nightly
09:36<bloopletech:#openttd>*0.6.2
09:36<planetmaker:#openttd>you wrote that, yes :). I tested with a somewhat recent nightly
09:37<bloopletech:#openttd>planetmaker: Just making sure you knew :)
09:37<planetmaker:#openttd>:) Rubidium is the crack. I'm just pretending knowledge :P
09:37<@Rubidium:#openttd>planetmaker: yeah, to find out whether the rewrite of how road owners and such are stored might be the cause of the issue
09:38<planetmaker:#openttd>ah :) So loading these old saves was reworked since, I assume...
09:38<bloopletech:#openttd>This might be a sore point, but I've only been playing OpenTTD for a couple days and I've noticed the pathfinding is (subjectively) worse than in TTDPatch. Is this just me?
09:39<SmatZ:#openttd>it is just you
09:39<planetmaker:#openttd>uhm... I assume :). But might depend upon which path finder you use. Do you use yapf for trains?
09:39<bloopletech:#openttd>Yep
09:40<planetmaker:#openttd>I think it can even be proven mathematically that the patch finder is quite alright :)
09:40<bloopletech:#openttd>I'm getting more lost train notifications than I did with TTDPatch I think.
09:40<bloopletech:#openttd>ok then
09:40<@peter1138:#openttd>Probably because it's notifying you straight away instead of after being lost for a long time.
09:40<planetmaker:#openttd>bloopletech: that might also have the cause in when or why that message is issued.
09:40<@Rubidium:#openttd>lost train with YAPF means that there is no path to the destination without reversing in stations/depot
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09:41<planetmaker:#openttd>:) ^^ most probable cause.
09:41<bloopletech:#openttd>I did notice that it went for an incorrect path when the incorrect one did not require reversing, and the correct path did require a revers.
09:41<planetmaker:#openttd>a path with reversing is not found
09:41<SmatZ:#openttd>bloopletech: you are using many twoway signals. Try yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol = false in your openttd.cfg
09:41<@Rubidium:#openttd>in ttd(p) it just drives of and randomly takes paths and when it doesn't arrive where it needs to be in quite a lot of days it tells you it is lost
09:42<bloopletech:#openttd>SmatZ: Ok, I will
09:42<SmatZ:#openttd>bloopletech: though that won't affect running game... to change setting in the game, type "patch yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol false" in the console (activated by ~)
09:43<planetmaker:#openttd>(the key left of 1)
09:43<planetmaker:#openttd>SmatZ: it's ^ for me :)
09:43<SmatZ:#openttd>ok :)
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09:44<bloopletech:#openttd>I also wanted to say how hugely impressed I am by the OpenTTD developers for creating such a great game. I have immediately abandoned TTDPatch for OpenTTD.
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09:47<bloopletech:#openttd>Stupid question: How do I electrify existing track?
09:48<bloopletech:#openttd>ignore that
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09:50<ccfreak2k:#openttd>The upgrade tool.
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09:59<bloopletech:#openttd>Anyway, I gotta get some sleep, but thanks for looking at my bug!
09:59<bloopletech:#openttd>night
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10:00*Belugas:#openttd enjoys Chocky. From <guess who>
10:00<@Belugas:#openttd>mmmh... Guess Who was a band... not that guess who ^_^
10:02<Xerres:#openttd>i cant believe what i'm reading
10:02<Xerres:#openttd>has anyone ever read whats written in python
10:02<Xerres:#openttd>theres so many huge projects done in it.
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10:03*Belugas:#openttd is not interested in python,sorry. too much to deal already on the stack ^_^
10:03<ccfreak2k:#openttd>The stack.
10:03<ccfreak2k:#openttd>I get it.
10:03<Xerres:#openttd>its just crazy
10:04<Xerres:#openttd>i just read this article
10:04<Xerres:#openttd>its amazing what they would start with that type of coding. i didnt think anyone would do that even huge sites like youtube.
10:06<ccfreak2k:#openttd>Learn how Second Life's servers are put together sometime.
10:06<ccfreak2k:#openttd>They "glue" together everything with Python IIRC.
10:07<Xerres:#openttd>i didnt say it was respectable
10:07<Xerres:#openttd>but you cant respect the level of popularity being able to be lazy and still make money isnt... totally repugnant
10:08<Xerres:#openttd>can rather.
10:08<Xerres:#openttd>i'm kinda half in the bag atm sorry about the typing/grammar
10:08<TrueBrain:#openttd>lobster_MB: and reason you tried to query me?
10:08<dih:#openttd>at least you are forced to code nicely
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10:16<lobster_MB:#openttd>TrueBrain: needed the 10.5 nightly link, but i found it on the forums
10:16<lobster_MB:#openttd>i hadn't installed it on my macbook, you see
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10:16<+glx:#openttd>lobster_MB: just bookmark binaries.openttd.org
10:17<lobster_MB:#openttd>aye
10:17<TrueBrain:#openttd>I was about to say that ;) It is under the download section now )
10:18<lobster_MB:#openttd>quite
10:18<lobster_MB:#openttd>well, thanks :)
10:19*planetmaker:#openttd gets the impression that glx knows how to type with 10 fingers as opposed to TrueBrain ;)
10:20<+glx:#openttd>hmm?
10:20<planetmaker:#openttd>you're constantly faster than TrueBrain in answering the questions :)
10:20<TrueBrain:#openttd>planetmaker: better impression would be that I am doing other things :p
10:20<planetmaker:#openttd>TrueBrain: is an interpretation, too. But not as funny ;)
10:21<TrueBrain:#openttd>fair enough :)
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10:49<@peter1138:#openttd>So does the 10.3+ build work on all versions of OS X, even with the compile-time changes?
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10:51<TrueBrain:#openttd>compile-time changes?
10:52<TrueBrain:#openttd>but yes, it should work on 10.3, 10.4, 10.5 PPC, and 10.4, 10.5 Intel
10:52<TrueBrain:#openttd>(mind thereis no 10.3 Intel)
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10:54<@peter1138:#openttd>osx_target_version in config.lib
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10:56<TrueBrain:#openttd>peter1138: bjarni-fism, which nobody understands why
10:57<TrueBrain:#openttd>it adds support to compile for 10.5 only ..
10:57<TrueBrain:#openttd>who would want that :p
10:57<TrueBrain:#openttd>but 10.4u SDK works just fine under 10.3
10:59<@peter1138:#openttd>True... nobody really knows what Bjarni's code does ;)
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11:01<+glx:#openttd>even Bjarni ;)
11:01<TrueBrain:#openttd>peter1138: you would laugh if I told you some of the answers I got from him while asking him indepth questions ;) But not worth repeating that in public ;)
11:03<@peter1138:#openttd>Well it never struck me that he put much effort into finding a solution for the problem ;)
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11:05*Rubidium:#openttd shields his face
11:09<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd><TrueBrain> last time I tried it, the professor returned it with the question what the fuck I was trying to write <- i once turned in an assignment in printed form, and when it was returned, the comment said "use hand writing next time"
11:09<TrueBrain:#openttd>hehe
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11:10*Rubidium:#openttd would get a handwritten note from the doctor that writing by hand causes RSI for me ;)
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11:11<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd><Gekz> I dont speak Hebrew, nor Yiddish <- yiddish is easily understandable if you speak german
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11:20<Ammler:#openttd>orudge: would it be possible to make a simple sample.cat replacement with the project you started?
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11:25<yorick:#openttd>http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unnamed8thfeb1950fn9.png <-- should the colours be removed from the legend, or be added to the list?
11:30<dih:#openttd>colourise the list
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11:32<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: rubidium * r14359 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2311]: the ownership of roadtiles was not properly set for very old savegames (including TTD's) making it impossible to remove some pieces of road.
11:33<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>put coloured squares in front of the names, i'd say
11:34<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>while there, you might also consider rearranging the data in the list in columns
11:35<yorick:#openttd>?
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11:42<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>| <icon> | <town, industry> | <production1, transported1> | <production2, transported2> | [...]
11:42<yorick:#openttd>hm, it is currently done using the string system
11:44<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>yes, and that makes it difficult to compare the industries
11:44<yorick:#openttd>and how to determine column size?
11:45<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>how should i know ;)
11:45<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>it might be too big of a task
11:47<yorick:#openttd>http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unnamed16thmar1950xx8.png :)
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11:48<dih:#openttd>nice one yorick :-)
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11:48<dih:#openttd>that is a very nice patch to that list ;-)
11:49<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i'd suggest an alternative: filter for produced/accepted cargo
11:50<yorick:#openttd>that will maybe go another time, but might need a filter-system to the SortableGUIList
11:51<yorick:#openttd>hm, patch is 30kb!
11:52<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>that's bigger than the last one ;)
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11:55<yorick:#openttd>happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy *finished the first version* happy happy joy joy happy happy
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11:58<SmatZ:#openttd>:-P
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12:10<TrueBrain:#openttd>yorick: it is only funny if I do it
12:10<TrueBrain:#openttd>but now: FOOOD!
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12:17<yorick:#openttd>max_station spread shouldn't affect airports that are not connected to anything else
12:17<yorick:#openttd>station_spread of 10 disables you to build intercontinental
12:17<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>so?
12:17<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>station spread makes actually break those airports
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13:12<Wolf01:#openttd>hello
13:14<yorick:#openttd>hello
13:14<murray:#openttd>hello
13:15<Prof_Frink:#openttd>hello
13:15<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i'd have said "hello", too, but i didn't want to destroy the sequence of 6 letter nicks and 5 letter words ;)
13:16<@Belugas:#openttd>Buongiorno Wolf01
13:16<teggigi:#openttd>hei
13:16<@Belugas:#openttd>let's shake it all over
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13:30<Wolf01:#openttd>bah, I want a 24h live code for xbox
13:32<@Bjarni:#openttd>isn't that a bit short?
13:32<@Bjarni:#openttd>if it lives for 24 hours, then you know you will lose it tomorrow
13:32<Wolf01:#openttd>I need it to download the new burnout update
13:33<ln-:#openttd>Wolf01, do you live in the north or the south?
13:33<Wolf01:#openttd>north
13:33<@Bjarni:#openttd>North... I think
13:34<@Bjarni:#openttd>North-East to be more precise ;)
13:35<ln-:#openttd>which province or whatever county or something?
13:35<Wolf01:#openttd>veneto, venice
13:35<ln-:#openttd>ok
13:35<ln-:#openttd>haven't been there
13:35<@Bjarni:#openttd>WHAT?
13:35<@Bjarni:#openttd>are you sure?
13:35<@Bjarni:#openttd>you, who have been EVERYWHERE
13:36<@Bjarni:#openttd>I don't believe you
13:36<Wolf01:#openttd>http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=it&geocode=&q=san+michele+al+tagliamento&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=11&iwloc=addr here to be more precise :D
13:38*Wolf01:#openttd tomorrow will look outside the window and finds a lot of people outside his house, with tents, beer, electric railroads...
13:38<@Bjarni:#openttd>and cameras
13:38<ln-:#openttd>and danish flags
13:39<TrueBrain:#openttd>Wolf01: xbox 360?
13:39<Wolf01:#openttd>yes
13:39<ln-:#openttd>anyway, Bologna is probably the closest point to which i've been to.
13:39<TrueBrain:#openttd>I might be able to help you with that ..
13:39<TrueBrain:#openttd>when cleaning my room I found this 48 hours xbox live gold blabla
13:39<TrueBrain:#openttd>I myself hav bought a year :p
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13:40<Wolf01:#openttd>I have a 1 month card (the gta4 one) but since I don't play multiplayer I found useless to use it for one single download
13:40<TrueBrain:#openttd>then any is useless :p
13:41<TrueBrain:#openttd>why do you want to upgrade?
13:42<Wolf01:#openttd>because there are motorbikes, day/night cycle, new challenges...
13:42<TrueBrain:#openttd>motorbikes?
13:42<TrueBrain:#openttd>cool :)
13:42<TrueBrain:#openttd>free update?
13:42<Wolf01:#openttd>yes
13:42<TrueBrain:#openttd>I should look at that :)
13:43<@Bjarni:#openttd>which game are you talking about?
13:43<Wolf01:#openttd>http://www.criteriongames.com/comingsoon/davis.php
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13:49<TrueBrain:#openttd>Wolf01: you do understand I only gave it to you because you are always so nice to us :)
13:50<DJNekkid:#openttd>hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
13:52<DJNekkid:#openttd>is it possible to add a range to var2 type B4 ?
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13:52<DJNekkid:#openttd>with initial type 85 and not 81 ?
13:53<DJNekkid:#openttd>i.e. ... if speed is from A to B, then use Cid1, else use Cid2 ?
13:53<DJNekkid:#openttd>with 81 it's only "if speed is x, then Cid1, else Cid2"
13:53<DJNekkid:#openttd>?
13:54<Prof_Frink:#openttd>welshdragon: You could just /ignore it.
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14:03<welshdragon:#openttd>Prof_Frink, it wasn't just him
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14:05<nick:#openttd>yorick
14:05<nick:#openttd>are you here :)
14:05<yorick:#openttd>no, I'm just pretending to be
14:06<nick:#openttd>ah cool
14:08<@orudge:#openttd>[16:20:42] <Ammler> orudge: would it be possible to make a simple sample.cat replacement with the project you started? <-- yup
14:08<@orudge:#openttd>that's the intention of the project
14:09<@orudge:#openttd>indeed, I already released a test binary
14:09<Ammler:#openttd>orudge: I meant only a sample.cat
14:09<Ammler:#openttd>without the patch
14:09<@orudge:#openttd>well
14:09<@orudge:#openttd>you need some minor patches
14:09<@orudge:#openttd>in theory, you could have a sample.cat without many patches
14:09<@orudge:#openttd>but it'd be 8KHz or something
14:09<@orudge:#openttd>which sounds awful
14:09<@orudge:#openttd>a simpler patch, which I was going to do the other night, would add support for 44KHz samples
14:09<@orudge:#openttd>and 16-bit, etc
14:10<@orudge:#openttd>without the whole new mixer thing
14:10<Ammler:#openttd>when is "the other night" ?
14:10<@Bjarni:#openttd>like within the last 48 hours
14:10<@Bjarni:#openttd>at least if you know English ;)
14:11<Ammler:#openttd>:P
14:11<nick:#openttd>i know my english ;)
14:11<Ammler:#openttd>orudge: you replacment looks like the 32bpp for graphics
14:11<@orudge:#openttd>well
14:11<@orudge:#openttd>not quite
14:12<Ammler:#openttd>I am looking for the file which would replace the sample.cat like the OpenGFX
14:12<@orudge:#openttd>"the other night" was two nights ago
14:12<@orudge:#openttd>yes
14:12<@orudge:#openttd>well, my project would do that
14:12<@orudge:#openttd>but minor patches would be required to increase the quality
14:12<@orudge:#openttd>as there really is no point in converting the lovely new sounds to 8KHz
14:12<@orudge:#openttd>it just makes them sound mushy
14:12<Ammler:#openttd>dedicated servers i.e. don't care about quality :-)
14:12<@orudge:#openttd>well, a minor patch would be needed then to stop it complaining about sample.cat being invalid ;)
14:12<@Bjarni:#openttd>dedicated servers should be able to completely ignore sounds
14:13<@orudge:#openttd>(ie, the md5sum)
14:13<@Bjarni:#openttd>graphics too
14:13<Ammler:#openttd>orudge: the problem there is newsound support in GRFs
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14:13<@orudge:#openttd>how is that a problem, may I ask?
14:13<Ammler:#openttd>you can already start the game without a sample.cat
14:14<@Bjarni:#openttd>I don't think we should make a new sample.cat. Wouldn't it be better to call the file something else?
14:14<SmatZ:#openttd>but some GRFs fail to load
14:14<Ammler:#openttd>but you can't use newgrfs which use that feature like UKRS
14:14<nick:#openttd>what is a good small download compiler to use to compile openttd on vista ?
14:14<@orudge:#openttd>Bjarni: well, sample.cat is the simplest thing
14:14<@orudge:#openttd>although
14:14<@orudge:#openttd>I think I had it called something else
14:14<@orudge:#openttd>opensfx.cat or something
14:14<@orudge:#openttd>if it found that, it used it
14:14<@Bjarni:#openttd>that's my point
14:14<@orudge:#openttd>if not, it used sample.cat
14:14<@orudge:#openttd>that was in the patch and binary I uploaded
14:14<@orudge:#openttd>I'd just need to pull that stuff out and apply it to the current mixer
14:14<@Bjarni:#openttd>the format can be the same, but the file should be called something different to avoid confusion
14:14<@Rubidium:#openttd>nick: good and small are multual exclusive when talking about compilers on windows
14:14<@orudge:#openttd>instead of the new mixer
14:14<@orudge:#openttd>yup
14:14<@orudge:#openttd>that's the plan, Bjarni :)
14:14<@Bjarni:#openttd>also if they have different names then the md3 check can stay
14:15<Sacro:#openttd>md3?
14:15<SmatZ:#openttd>md3!
14:15*Sacro:#openttd implements a dc10 check
14:15<Sacro:#openttd>Bjarni: 0.6.0, an RV can't autoreplace cos of money limit
14:15<@Bjarni:#openttd>Sacro: you go figure out what md3 is and don't come back before you have done it ;)
14:15<Sacro:#openttd>it just goes insanely in and out of a depot
14:16<nick:#openttd>Rubidium: what would you recomend then ?
14:16<@peter1138:#openttd>Maybe Bjarni's heard of md5.
14:17<@Rubidium:#openttd>nick: MSVC Express I reckon (but then: a) I don't use Vista, b) I don't compile on Windows, c) I don't use Windows)
14:17<nick:#openttd>ok many thanks anyways
14:18<SmatZ:#openttd>nick: you may try BuildOTTD (I have never needed it, but people have good experience with it)
14:18<nick:#openttd>i was told it does not work on vista
14:18<SmatZ:#openttd>it installs mingw and such (I think)
14:18<@Bjarni:#openttd><nick> Rubidium: what would you recomend then ? <-- I would recommend using an OS with a decent implementation of GCC, make and so on :p
14:18<SmatZ:#openttd>aha
14:18<@Rubidium:#openttd>SmatZ: buildottd doesn't work for Vista
14:18<nick:#openttd>and i dont want nightly i want 0.6.2
14:18<nick:#openttd>vista is terrible
14:18<SmatZ:#openttd>upgrade to XP, for free
14:18<nick:#openttd>i do like xp
14:19<nick:#openttd>i think it will go back on my next format
14:19<yorick:#openttd>Bjarni: that is called mingw
14:19<@Rubidium:#openttd>Bjarni: so that rules OSX out
14:19<@peter1138:#openttd>Why bother compiling if you only want 0.6.2 ?
14:19<nick:#openttd>i want a patched 0.6.2
14:19<@Bjarni:#openttd>xp looks like a dead smiley (x for eyes and sticking out the tongue)
14:19<SmatZ:#openttd>:-D
14:19<nick:#openttd>nice observation
14:19<SmatZ:#openttd>X-P
14:20<@Bjarni:#openttd> <Rubidium> Bjarni: so that rules OSX out <-- I can use GCC and make just fine
14:20<@Bjarni:#openttd>bbl
14:21<@peter1138:#openttd>"decent implementation of"
14:22<yorick:#openttd>Rubidium: yes it does
14:22<yorick:#openttd>if it wasn't broken in general
14:23<yorick:#openttd>it just needs a mingw+msys update
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14:27<rortom:#openttd>uhm
14:27<rortom:#openttd>the new website layout destroyed my auto update :(
14:28<blathijs:#openttd>auto update?
14:28<frosch123:#openttd>rortom: finger.openttd.org
14:29<TrueBrain:#openttd>it would have bene a poor new website, if it didn't ..
14:29<rortom:#openttd>i used http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/rev
14:29<TrueBrain:#openttd>rortom: listen to what frosch123 tells you
14:29<rortom:#openttd>yeah, got it thanks
14:29<rortom:#openttd>now i have to parse those :\
14:31<DJNekkid:#openttd>peter1138: (or someone) is CB36 for waggons only called when baught or when in depot or something like that? not when, i.e. speed is changed? ;) (for var2 type B4)
14:32<TrueBrain:#openttd>rortom: oh no, your poor soul ..
14:32<rortom:#openttd>;)
14:33<DJNekkid:#openttd>it seems like i can change CID based on that only on engines, not wagons
14:33<rortom:#openttd>i worked 8 hours on network interface drivers today, im mentally killed ;)
14:33*SmatZ:#openttd just started Dungeon Master in DosBOX ... don't expect me to code in next 3 days :)
14:33<TrueBrain:#openttd>lol @ SmatZ
14:34<SmatZ:#openttd>I wonder if I can finish the game with only 1 character :)
14:34<@Bjarni:#openttd>lol
14:35<@Bjarni:#openttd>well... just send a dragon after him in the beginning and he will be back
14:35*Rubidium:#openttd wonders whether pushing the reset button counts as 1 character, it's after all a kind of key
14:35<@Bjarni:#openttd>if you enter a hole in the floor in DM2 (in the beginning), you risked being sent to a room with a dragon and it was near impossible to beat
14:37<SmatZ:#openttd>:-)
14:37<@Bjarni:#openttd>I don't think you were supposed to beat it
14:40<SmatZ:#openttd>hehe
14:40<SmatZ:#openttd>I never finished DM2 :(
14:40<@Bjarni:#openttd>I never got far in it
14:40<@Bjarni:#openttd>I ended up with a lot of dragon meat and I couldn't figure out how to get out
14:40<SmatZ:#openttd>:-D
14:41<@Bjarni:#openttd>I didn't starve though
14:42<@peter1138:#openttd>DJNekkid, what do you mean by change CID?
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15:03<DJNekkid:#openttd>cid = cargoID
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15:03<DJNekkid:#openttd>(were afk fixing the sattelite antenna)
15:03<@peter1138:#openttd>Don't base CB36 decisions on speed.
15:04<@peter1138:#openttd>(Except running cost)
15:05<@peter1138:#openttd>And wagons don't have a speed anyway, you have to use parent scope.
15:05<DJNekkid:#openttd>well, it's the running cost i want to change actually ... with a CB36 and var2 B4
15:05<DJNekkid:#openttd>parent scope?
15:06<@peter1138:#openttd>"related object"
15:06<DJNekkid:#openttd>hmm ... i.e. the speed of the engine?
15:06<@peter1138:#openttd>Yes.
15:06<DJNekkid:#openttd>and then ... how would i do that? :p
15:07<DJNekkid:#openttd>the clue is, i want a different running cost on a wagon when standing still, then when in transit ...
15:08<DJNekkid:#openttd>or rather, opposite
15:08<DJNekkid:#openttd>use action0 when standing still, CB36 when running
15:08<DJNekkid:#openttd>and it works fine with the engine
15:08<@peter1138:#openttd>Read the varaction 2 wiki.
15:09<DJNekkid:#openttd>hehe ... that i've done ... any pointers? ;)
15:09<frosch123:#openttd>search for "related"
15:09<frosch123:#openttd>:)
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15:10<DJNekkid:#openttd>as in 82/4/6? :)
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15:10<frosch123:#openttd>actually 82/86/8A
15:11<DJNekkid:#openttd>something like -1 * 0 02 00 A4 86 B4 00 FF FF 01 A3 00 01 00 FF FF AF 00 then?
15:12<DJNekkid:#openttd>hmm, almost (i think)
15:12<@peter1138:#openttd>By the way, that applies for engines too, in multiple engine consists.
15:13<@peter1138:#openttd>So you should use related scope for both engines and wagons.
15:13<DJNekkid:#openttd>oki...
15:14<DJNekkid:#openttd>"!!Error (62): Offset 8: ID D7 has not been defined."
15:14<DJNekkid:#openttd>hmmm
15:14<DJNekkid:#openttd>*scratch head*
15:14<DJNekkid:#openttd>bah
15:14<DJNekkid:#openttd>wrong line
15:16<DJNekkid:#openttd>yey, that actually seem to work!
15:18<DJNekkid:#openttd>wow! thanx, again :)
15:19<@peter1138:#openttd>Devs in "knowing what they're talking about" shocker?
15:20<DJNekkid:#openttd>NOPE ...
15:20<DJNekkid:#openttd>sry caps
15:20<DJNekkid:#openttd>but what shock me, is that i start to understand what you talk about :)
15:21<DJNekkid:#openttd>i dont need things with a teaspoon anymore ... atleast not that big'a teaspoon ;)
15:23<Alberth:#openttd>DJNekkid: I always find it fun to find that I understand something, and not being able to explain how in the past it made no sense at all :)
15:24<+glx:#openttd><@Rubidium> SmatZ: buildottd doesn't work for Vista <-- but it installs a working migw/msys
15:25<DJNekkid:#openttd>hehe ... well ... i've had a lot of "a-ha"-experiences with .nfo-codeing, and i bet i'll have a lot more of them in the future as well ... the crappy thing is that i now have to copy a lot of code into new places ... i wish i could make "routines" in nfo :)
15:26<frosch123:#openttd>learn M4, that would match the style of undocumented nfo code :)
15:27<Prof_Frink:#openttd>M4? Learn M6.
15:27<DJNekkid:#openttd>never heard of neither
15:28<Alberth:#openttd>Nah, there are words used in M4. That is way too complicated :P
15:28<Alberth:#openttd>M4 is a macro processor
15:29<frosch123:#openttd>if not the macro processor
15:29<Alberth:#openttd>Maybe use the C pre-processor? Single line limitations are better in line with NFO coding :P
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15:45<DJNekkid:#openttd>peter1138 and/or frosch123: it seems like i need 2x the wanted value for the dualheaded engine (cb36 running cost mod)
15:47<frosch123:#openttd>yup, for dualheaded engines the running cost property specifies the running cost for both engines together
15:47<DJNekkid:#openttd>well, i made it ... a MU with a "high" running cost when running, and low when standing still, i.e. loading :)
15:48<frosch123:#openttd>that way the the same value can be shown in the buy and offer preview window
15:48<DJNekkid:#openttd>yea, when u say it, i need to double the CB36 in the purchase list sprite
15:49<frosch123:#openttd>no, you don't have to
15:50<DJNekkid:#openttd>hmm, somewhere i did ...
15:50<DJNekkid:#openttd>ah, in the action0 it need to be double
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15:51<@peter1138:#openttd>Just remember that the value is for both parts together.
15:51<DJNekkid:#openttd>yup...
15:52<DJNekkid:#openttd>and in the CB is for the first one or whatever...
15:52<DJNekkid:#openttd>anyway, i did get the thing to work, now i just need a lot of copy and paste :)
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15:53<DJNekkid:#openttd>something to do at work when there is little to do tomorrow or monday :)
15:54<yorick:#openttd>meh, what makedepend should I have?
15:57<TrueBrain:#openttd>the purple one
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15:59<Chrill:#openttd>!seen brianetta
15:59<Chrill:#openttd>whats the command? :P
16:02<yorick:#openttd>@seen brianetta
16:02<@DorpsGek:#openttd>yorick: brianetta was last seen in #openttd 8 hours, 50 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <Brianetta> Windows and Linux do not.
16:02<Chrill:#openttd>danke
16:03<@Belugas:#openttd>ho?
16:03<@Belugas:#openttd>how come???
16:03<@Belugas:#openttd>there's no milliseconds on that stuff!!!
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16:04<frosch123:#openttd>DorpsGek is a wizard :)
16:05<yorick:#openttd>no, he's a DorpsGek
16:06*TrueBrain:#openttd wonders if Belugas took his pill or not ... :p
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16:08<@Belugas:#openttd>TrueBrain, what time is it?
16:08<TrueBrain:#openttd>@time
16:08<TrueBrain:#openttd>@date
16:08<TrueBrain:#openttd>dunno
16:09<@Belugas:#openttd>well... here, it's 16:0something
16:09<@Belugas:#openttd>which means...
16:09<yorick:#openttd>TrueBrain: the purple one only works for linux :-)
16:09<@Belugas:#openttd>it's close to the end of ther day
16:09<@Belugas:#openttd>and since you have not seem much of me today,
16:09<@Belugas:#openttd>it means i had a HELL of a day
16:09<@Belugas:#openttd>which means...
16:09<TrueBrain:#openttd>HUG TIME!
16:09<@Belugas:#openttd>I"M GOING NUTS!!!!!!
16:09<@Belugas:#openttd>ho... that too :D
16:10*Belugas:#openttd hugs all the channel's users!
16:10*yorick:#openttd hugs Beluga back
16:10<yorick:#openttd>cutie :)
16:10<yorick:#openttd>with those black little eyes :)
16:11<@Belugas:#openttd>next time, i guess i'll nick myself as Orca...
16:11<Noldo:#openttd>:D
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16:11<yorick:#openttd>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Beluga_sturgeon.png
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16:12<@Belugas:#openttd>bleeeeeeh
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16:16<@Belugas:#openttd>heheh
16:16<@Belugas:#openttd>crazy yorick
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16:24<TrueBrain:#openttd>I tend to agree
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16:27<Wolf01:#openttd>'night, and thank you again TrueBrain :D
16:27<TrueBrain:#openttd>any time Wolf01 :)
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16:29<@Belugas:#openttd>3 minutes to find the way out... not too fast for a ferrari
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17:02<@Belugas:#openttd>hooooo yeaaaaa!!
17:02<@Belugas:#openttd>it's time to
17:02<@Belugas:#openttd>FLY HOME!!!
17:03<@Belugas:#openttd>night all yu sleepers!
17:03<Nite_Owl:#openttd>L8r Belugas
17:10<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i still don't understand why tram turning is handled differently than road vehicle turning (at end of line)
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17:33<Nite_Owl:#openttd>Massive thunderstorms on the way - got to fly before the power goes out - L8r all
17:33<@Bjarni:#openttd>looks like somebody needs an UPS
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17:35<Prof_Frink:#openttd>To ship all his kit to somewhere else?
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17:38<@Bjarni:#openttd>I bought an UPS because I got tired of turning off whenever the weather turned bad
17:38<@Bjarni:#openttd>surprisingly a decent UPS costs way less than a computer
17:39<DJNekkid:#openttd>yea ... you can get a pretty huge UPS for a lot less then 1000$
17:39<@Bjarni:#openttd>and while it claims to work at a few minutes at max load, it can actually last more than 30 minutes with my setup
17:39<Sacro:#openttd>Bjarni: a UPS
17:39<Sacro:#openttd>not an
17:39<Prof_Frink:#openttd>Or you have a computer with built-in UPS.
17:39<@Bjarni:#openttd>you can't have that
17:40<@Bjarni:#openttd>UPS is way more than a battery
17:40<@Bjarni:#openttd>it's also surge protection
17:40*Prof_Frink:#openttd surges at Bjarni
17:40<@Bjarni:#openttd>if lightning strikes the power lines, then the UPS dies, but while dying it cuts the power to the computer rather than giving it dangerous voltage
17:41<@Bjarni:#openttd>this process can make the UPS emit electrical fields that would be harmful to a computer (hence the reason why the minimum distance between them is something like 30 cm)
17:42<DJNekkid:#openttd>or it even dont die, but "only" blow a built in fuse
17:42<@Bjarni:#openttd>at one time the power died and I used the UPS to boot so I could read the power company's web site (using a notebook, you can't power switch and ADSL modem)
17:42<DJNekkid:#openttd>and what people dont recogize, if they have wiered ethernet, that the switch and router/modem/++ needs to be protected as well...
17:43<@Bjarni:#openttd>got informed that they expected to restore the power at something like 1 or 2 O'clock and it was around 23:00
17:43<@Bjarni:#openttd>so I went to bed
17:44<DJNekkid:#openttd>http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=120384
17:44<DJNekkid:#openttd>1500VA ups, to about 400€
17:45<@Bjarni:#openttd><DJNekkid> and what people dont recogize, if they have wiered ethernet, that the switch and router/modem/++ needs to be protected as well... <-- I realised that... and placed the internet connection on the safe side, meaning the line between the modem and the phone outlet goes though the UPS
17:45<DJNekkid:#openttd>as well as the switches etc needs to be connected to the ups (the power)
17:45<@Bjarni:#openttd>yeah
17:46<DJNekkid:#openttd>yea, most modern "household" ups' have a DSL-line protector-fuse-thingy
17:46<DJNekkid:#openttd>"overspenningsværn"
17:46<@Bjarni:#openttd>if I didn't connect the switch to the UPS, I would have a hard time connecting to figure out where the power went :)
17:46<DJNekkid:#openttd>"power-surge-protector" or something similar
17:47<@Bjarni:#openttd>I talked to the UPS guys at one time
17:47<@Bjarni:#openttd>they really build whatever UPS system you want (if you want to pay for it)
17:47<DJNekkid:#openttd>yup... i know
17:47<@Bjarni:#openttd>and they last for as long as you request
17:48<DJNekkid:#openttd>i sort of work with that ...
17:48<DJNekkid:#openttd>kind of :)
17:48<@Bjarni:#openttd>so if you have something important then you tell how long it takes to start the diesel generator x)
17:48<@Bjarni:#openttd>sort of?
17:48<DJNekkid:#openttd>for example
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17:49<DJNekkid:#openttd>well ... i "build" security measures for large enterprises ... break in detection, access control etc
17:49<DJNekkid:#openttd>and we have battery power on all our systems
17:49<teggigi:#openttd>so you're an it consultant
17:49<teggigi:#openttd>:p
17:50<DJNekkid:#openttd>as well as "wiered" power
17:50<DJNekkid:#openttd>teggigi: nah ...
17:50<@Bjarni:#openttd><teggigi> so you're an it consultant <-- aka wise guy
17:50<teggigi:#openttd>what
17:50<teggigi:#openttd>wasn't meant like that
17:50<teggigi:#openttd>:p
17:50<teggigi:#openttd>was just trying to put a word to it :(
17:50<@Bjarni:#openttd>I know
17:50<teggigi:#openttd>or were you flaming it consultant
17:50<DJNekkid:#openttd>we just tease back :)
17:51<teggigi:#openttd>was just trying to explain to avoid confusion
17:51<teggigi:#openttd>or ... something!
17:52<@Bjarni:#openttd>I have to say that as an electrical engineer I have a pretty good idea about how UPS systems and power supplies work ;)
17:52<DJNekkid:#openttd>Bjarni: no doubt
17:52<@Bjarni:#openttd>I don't need an it consultant to inform me
17:52<DJNekkid:#openttd>im no it consultant
17:52<@Bjarni:#openttd>then what are you?
17:53<@Bjarni:#openttd>uneducated freelance consultant?
17:53<DJNekkid:#openttd>telecommunication technition
17:54<@Bjarni:#openttd>I'm sorry
17:54<DJNekkid:#openttd>"telekommunikasjons montør" (you are danish right?)
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17:54<@Bjarni:#openttd>no, I'm actually a Chinese hacker, who are hiding behind a .dk domain (which I hacked for this purpose)
17:55<DJNekkid:#openttd>i somewhat doubt that :)
17:55<teggigi:#openttd>really now
17:56<@Bjarni:#openttd>火は賦絵
17:56<DJNekkid:#openttd>lol
17:57<ln-:#openttd>"Branden blev spredt maleri"
17:57<@Bjarni:#openttd>next is to figure out what the hell I just wrote :)
17:57<ln-:#openttd>see above
17:57<@Bjarni:#openttd>however I (by accident) included a char which isn't Chinese, but Japanese
17:58<@Bjarni:#openttd>hence it means nothing in Chinese
17:58<Ammler:#openttd>the first?
17:58<@Bjarni:#openttd>no
17:58<@Bjarni:#openttd>
17:58<@Bjarni:#openttd>that one
17:59<@Bjarni:#openttd>writing random chars in Japanese on a Latin keyboard is actually a bit tricky as you have to think about which random keys to press in order to form actual Asian chars
18:00<@Bjarni:#openttd>completely random keystrokes will produce an odd mix of Chinese and Latin chars
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18:01<DJNekkid:#openttd>anyway...
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18:01<@Bjarni:#openttd>btw I was in the newspaper the other day
18:02<@Bjarni:#openttd>well, sort of
18:02<DJNekkid:#openttd>mee to, well, my name was ... or ... my stage name was ;)
18:02<@Bjarni:#openttd>http://nordkysten.nu/?Id=6285 <-- basically this is how I spent my weekend
18:03<DJNekkid:#openttd>kozy ,)
18:04<ln-:#openttd>thomas the tank engine
18:04<@Bjarni:#openttd>yeah
18:04<@Bjarni:#openttd>kids everywhere
18:04<teggigi:#openttd>thomastoget (Y)
18:05<ln-:#openttd>the series was narrated by ringo starr.
18:05<DJNekkid:#openttd>just the first couple of seasons
18:05<ln-:#openttd>yes, but still.
18:06<@Bjarni:#openttd>they made new seasons and you can see that they added computer animation
18:06<DJNekkid:#openttd>i heavent seen thoose yet
18:08<DJNekkid:#openttd>well, im off to sleep, cya
18:10<@Bjarni:#openttd>damn they removed the article where I was interviewed :(
18:10<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>it couldn't have been important then :p
18:12<@Bjarni:#openttd>actually it was
18:12<@Bjarni:#openttd>I was in it
18:12<ln-:#openttd>maybe it had to be classified
18:12<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>yeah, you keep telling yourself that ;)
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18:18<ln-:#openttd>well what did you say in the interview?
18:19<Sacro:#openttd>@seen tekky
18:19<@DorpsGek:#openttd>Sacro: tekky was last seen in #openttd 4 days, 16 hours, 10 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Tekky> I found the cause of the problem and have reported it to FlySpray: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2298
18:19*Sacro:#openttd has noticed he's been posting binaries without the licence included
18:20<ln-:#openttd>"ær det du som kør tåget?" - "ja." ?
18:22<ln-:#openttd>and btw, kill bill soundtrack has some excellent songs.
18:24<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>it does.
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18:34<@Bjarni:#openttd><ln-> well what did you say in the interview? <--- basically it was an article about http://nordkysten.nu/?Id=5416 . The difference was that it was a journalist who were actually on the train interviewing the crew
18:34<@Bjarni:#openttd>and I talked about technical stuff (go figure)
18:36<ln-:#openttd>like "yes, and you need to pay attention to endianness because that's different on PPC"?
18:36<@Bjarni:#openttd>no
18:36<@Bjarni:#openttd>actually it was technical about the locomotive
18:37<@Bjarni:#openttd>and it lacks endianess :p
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18:37<ln-:#openttd>steam locomotives have endianness
18:38<@Bjarni:#openttd>explain
18:39<@Bjarni:#openttd>they have engineness, but endianess?
18:39<ln-:#openttd>like eggs have
18:43<ln-:#openttd>could it be that Bjarni has segfaulted because he's not saying anything
18:43<@Bjarni:#openttd>are you talking about a core dump?
18:44<ln-:#openttd>heavens, no
18:44<ln-:#openttd>but well, have you heard kill bill soundtrack?
18:47<@Bjarni:#openttd>maybe
18:47<@Bjarni:#openttd>I have heard the name kill bill before
18:47<@Bjarni:#openttd>but I can't really remember what it's all about
18:48<Prof_Frink:#openttd>Bjarni: There's this bloke called Bill.
18:48<Prof_Frink:#openttd>Someone wants to kill him.
18:48<@Bjarni:#openttd>bill@microsoft.com <-- that guy?
18:48<ln-:#openttd>no, just Bill.
18:49<@Bjarni:#openttd><ln-> "ær det du som kør tåget?" - "ja." ? <-- this is a fairly decent question
18:49<@Bjarni:#openttd>I have heard worse questions
18:50<@Bjarni:#openttd>like this one: somebody looks at the driver in the cab in the steam locomotive and asks if that is the place where the train is controlled from
18:51<@Bjarni:#openttd>or (this one is golden): what do you do in real life if you have to connect two wagons and the magnets don't match. I know with toy trains you life up one car and turn it around, but what do you do in real life?
18:52<ln-:#openttd>then it becomes a maglev train, of course.
18:54<Sacro:#openttd>magnets?
18:55<@Bjarni:#openttd>yeah
18:55<@Bjarni:#openttd>to connect the wagons
18:55<TrueBrain:#openttd>poor Sacro doesn't know what magnets are :p
18:55<Sacro:#openttd>:(
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18:57<@Bjarni:#openttd>a magnet is a silver bird
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19:02<roboboy:#openttd>fixing a problem with mibbit
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19:02<roboboy:#openttd>fixing a problem with mibbit
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19:02<roboboy:#openttd>fixing a problem with mibbit
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19:03<welshdragon:#openttd>roboboy, FIX IT ALREADY
19:04*Bjarni:#openttd goes to get a screwdriver
19:04<Capn_Frink:#openttd>Sonic?
19:04<FauxFaux:#openttd>To stick in roboboy?
19:04*Bjarni:#openttd uses the screwdriver to fasten roboboy to the channel
19:04<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>is it that day already?
19:05<@Bjarni:#openttd>no more falling overboard
19:05<Capn_Frink:#openttd>Keelhaul the scurvey dog!
19:05<@Bjarni:#openttd>aye
19:05<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>years go by way too fast ;)
19:05<welshdragon:#openttd>oh god
19:05<@Bjarni:#openttd>?
19:05<welshdragon:#openttd>it had better not be talk like a pirate day
19:06<@Bjarni:#openttd>let's make that landlubber walk the plank
19:06<roboboy:#openttd>im fixed
19:06<roboboy:#openttd>I like mibbit and it is the only way I can connect
19:06<welshdragon:#openttd>SSSSSHHHHHHIIIIVER ME TIMBERS
19:06<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>roboboy: but you really don't have to spam like this
19:07<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>any why 3 times every time?
19:07<@Bjarni:#openttd>ohoy maties.... take a look at this http://www.qdb.us/67325
19:07<roboboy:#openttd>because each time it fixes the problem a littlebit more
19:08<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>Bjarni: ooooold
19:08<roboboy:#openttd>it cant be fixed with one partjoin unless you want me to disconect and reconnect
19:08<welshdragon:#openttd>Bjarni, it made nme :P
19:08<@Bjarni:#openttd>nme?
19:09<@Bjarni:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause: Christmas is old too but we repeat ourselves that day every year anyway
19:09<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>same procedure as last year?
19:09<@Bjarni:#openttd>same procedure as every year miss Sophie
19:10<@Bjarni:#openttd>err
19:10<welshdragon:#openttd>Bjarni, i did a typo
19:10<@Bjarni:#openttd>same procedure as every year James
19:10<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>wrong... "james" is that
19:10<@Bjarni:#openttd>Danish television broadcasts it every new year's eve
19:11<@Bjarni:#openttd>for the past 30 years or something
19:11<@Bjarni:#openttd>one year they skipped it and they drowned in complains so now they don't dare not to send it :D
19:11<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>yeah, it's the most repeated show of all times in germany
19:13<@Bjarni:#openttd>on a new year's eve you can see what's on TV by looking at the amount of fireworks
19:13<@Bjarni:#openttd>it really drops when certain stuff is on TV
19:13<@Bjarni:#openttd>like this one
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19:13<ln-:#openttd>wtf are you talking about?
19:13<@Bjarni:#openttd>and the queen's new year's speech
19:14<teggigi:#openttd>schkaaaaaaaal mr winterbottom
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19:14<teggigi:#openttd>love it when he's trying to throw the booze into the glass
19:15<@Bjarni:#openttd>or drinks from the vase (I will kill that cat)
19:15<teggigi:#openttd>hahahah
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19:16<@Bjarni:#openttd>at one time the radio had "an expert" (it would appear that it's really easy to become an expert these days) to analyse the guests
19:17<@Bjarni:#openttd>talking about the most likely background story for their names and stuff like that
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19:17<@Bjarni:#openttd><ln-> wtf are you talking about? <-- we are making up stuff to ensure that this channel is a mystery to you
19:18<@Bjarni:#openttd>and it looks like it's working
19:19<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTA9KHRDmoI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2_2_t_AXhY
19:22<ln-:#openttd>has anyone experienced the LHC destroying earth yet?
19:23<welshpirate:#openttd>ln-, nay
19:24<@Bjarni:#openttd>aye
19:24<@Bjarni:#openttd>I think it happened 3 times already
19:25<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
19:26<ln-:#openttd>3.1 million views for Large Hadron Rap
19:26<FauxFaux:#openttd>Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolde.
19:27<@Bjarni:#openttd>I don't think that experiment is a good idea
19:27<@Bjarni:#openttd>considering what else the money could be spend on
19:28<ln-:#openttd>e.g. war on iran
19:28<@Bjarni:#openttd>but I have yet to see what they actually want to achieve as my information mainly relies on journalists (who understands shit about physics and is against everybody in order to make a story)
19:29<@Bjarni:#openttd>nahh
19:29<@Bjarni:#openttd>it's better with war on Uganda
19:29<Sarrrrcro:#openttd>Yarrrrrr
19:29<ln-:#openttd>Bjarni: search youtube for "large hadron rap" to get a brief introduction -- by physicists -- to what they are looking for.
19:30<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>as far as i can tell, they are searching for the Higgs-Boson, which they hope will explain some stuff about how gravity works
19:30<ln-:#openttd>it's about time, because we're supposed to have hover boards of BTTF2 in only 7 years.
19:30<ln-:#openttd>and flying cars.
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19:35<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>there was a scene in stargate, where they were testing an experimental jet that used extraterrestrial technology, and they go like "inertia dampers - check" - "cool, do we have phasers, too?" - "don't be silly" :p
19:37<ln-:#openttd>and Star Trek Enterprise appears to be available in sensibly-priced slimline boxes now.
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19:38<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i'm not going to buy that
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19:38<ln-:#openttd>why not
19:39<@Bjarni:#openttd>it's Enterprise
19:40<@Bjarni:#openttd>that's why
19:41<ln-:#openttd>are you qualified to say so?
19:41<@Bjarni:#openttd>yeah
19:41<Progman:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause: "I got an idea for the X-103" - "Which one?" - "Can we name them 'Enterprise'?"
19:41<@Bjarni:#openttd>I watched (at least parts of) all series expect the animated series
19:41<@Bjarni:#openttd>Enterprise sucks big time
19:42<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i have seen a few of the animated episodes a long time ago
19:42<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i can't actually remember anything, though :p
19:42<@Bjarni:#openttd>I don't like the animated series or TOS. They were made in an era where USA produced horrible TV shows >_<
19:43<ln-:#openttd>but it has scott bacula as captain
19:43<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>ln-: i'm not going to spend money on a show that is going to be repeated so often in free tv
19:44<@Bjarni:#openttd>that's a fairly decent argument
19:44<ln-:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause: you live in the wrong country.
19:44<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i mean they repeated it already like 3 times
19:44<@Bjarni:#openttd>You mean they spean German?
19:44<@Bjarni:#openttd>*speak
19:45<ln-:#openttd>that, too, but over here you can be assured no Trek series is "repeated so ofte in free tv".
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19:47<ln-:#openttd>3 seasons + a few of 4 of TNG was shown in early 1990's, seasons 1 and 2 repeated ~2005.
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19:48<ln-:#openttd>in the meanwhile, some not very widely available cable channel showed seasons 4..7.
19:49<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>they're currently showing TOS here, i think
19:50<ln-:#openttd>and apart from maybe TOS, no Trek series has been shown on finnish tv from season 1 to N.
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19:51<ln-:#openttd>maybe 4 seasons of DS9 were shown, 1 of Voyager, zero of Enterprise.
19:51<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i guess the TV market is too small there for souch niche series
19:52<ln-:#openttd>or we have broadcasting companies ran by idiots.
19:52<ln-:#openttd>*run
19:52<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>that'd not be much different from here :p
19:53<@Bjarni:#openttd>ln-: how can it be that what you want to watch isn't on TV at your place so you buy DVDs and it's on TV for free where Eddi|zuHause lives, yet it's Eddi|zuHause who lives in the wrong country
19:53<ln-:#openttd>like really, they quit showing TNG in the middle of a season.
19:53<@Bjarni:#openttd>they do that here too
19:53<@Bjarni:#openttd>not with Star Trek, but all series
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19:54<@Bjarni:#openttd>like "let's show 40 out of 50 episodes... it's not like people will care for the conclusion anyway"
19:54<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>they did that with doctor who here, which they kept locked up for 3 years, and then complained about the lack of viewers for a highly underadvertised series on an unsuitible time slot
19:55<ln-:#openttd>in the 90's, TNG was shown in prime time, at 1900 tuesdays or something.
19:55<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>your prime time is 19:00?
19:55<@Bjarni:#openttd>TNG was once shown here at 1:15 on Wednesday (or something like that)
19:55<ln-:#openttd>well, sort of. compared to something else.
19:55<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>19:00 is like the worst viewed timeslot around here
19:55<@Bjarni:#openttd>19:00 is the news here
19:56<@Bjarni:#openttd>or garbage
19:56<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>THE news here is on 20:00
19:56<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>then 20:15 the prime time begins
19:56<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>statistics say that the 21:15 timeslot is the best viewed
19:57<ln-:#openttd>then the other channel that showed DS9 and Voyager in late 90's, and the time slot was something like Sundays "at some time between 12:00 and 15:00", or Saturdays 00:30..01:xx.
19:57<@Bjarni:#openttd>we have news from 19:00 to 19:30, then we have local news until 20:00
19:57<@Bjarni:#openttd>they suck at finding news to fill out 30 minutes every day though
19:58<@Bjarni:#openttd>so you can usually get the stuff you want to see in the first 10 minutes
19:59<@Bjarni:#openttd>however I think the news have become more and more political controlled
19:59<@Bjarni:#openttd>I mean they are changed to fit the view of the journalists
19:59<@Bjarni:#openttd>which is case of DR is far to the left
20:02<@Bjarni:#openttd>goodnight
20:02<ln-:#openttd>same
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21:05<ccfreak2k:#openttd>That doesn't mean Voyager is any good. :|
21:08<Tefad:#openttd>VOY?
21:09<Tefad:#openttd>i liked TNG the most, haven't gotten into DS9.. but VOY was okay-ish.
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21:26<ccfreak2k:#openttd>A woman space captain.
21:26<ccfreak2k:#openttd>THAT'S futuristic.
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