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03:34<guru3:#openttd>does the game count leap years?
03:35<Tefad:#openttd>why would it?
03:35<guru3:#openttd>just curious
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03:35<Tefad:#openttd>if the game would start on year zero, i'd be for it ; )
03:38<Alberth:#openttd>The first 1850 years would be a bit dull possibly
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03:43<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i'm telling you... my harddrive practically screams "i'm going to fail, replace me!"
03:44<roboboy:#openttd>shurly you would give in by 1900
03:44<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>do harddrive manufacturers send you replacements before you send in the disk?
03:45<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>it's my newest (and thus biggest) disk that is causing trouble, i have no place to store all the data
03:46<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>it's a Seagate (ST31000340AS)
03:46<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>half a year old
03:48<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>for the record, yes, the game counts leap years
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03:50<@peter1138:#openttd>Tefad... it probably can.
03:50<@peter1138:#openttd>And I believe leap years are handled. Not leap seconds though :D
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03:55<@peter1138:#openttd>ARGH!
03:55<@peter1138:#openttd>So many web forms think that + is not a valid character :(
03:56<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>so many web forms that think ;'-- is not a valid name?
03:56<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>er... ';--
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04:11<roboboy:#openttd>for cargo dest to work do I explicitly tell a train to go to every station the line?
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04:13<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>yes. stations must be explicitly mentioned in the orders
04:13<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>treat all orders as non-stop
04:14<roboboy:#openttd>what if I remove the non-stop order
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04:19<@peter1138:#openttd>Hmm, maybe a Roland KS-18Z...
04:20<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>roboboy: in the best case, the people just get confused when they arrive at an unscheduled stop
04:20<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>roboboy: in the worst case, everything breaks hopelessly
04:28<@peter1138:#openttd>There is a plan to solve it :)
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05:22<Brianetta:#openttd>I had seven sync errors today.
05:22<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>you broke it!
05:23<PierreW:#openttd>then try to be a bit more sync! ^^
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05:24<Ammler:#openttd>Brianetta: is waiting for 0.6.3 :-)
05:25<Brianetta:#openttd>Thing is, the errors came only when I had my trains' order sheets open
05:25<Brianetta:#openttd>It may well have been a complete coincidence, since I was trying hard to change some orders
05:27<Ammler:#openttd>so you mean, it is something else then autoreplace?
05:27<ln-:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause: when an important hd is failing, the first thing to do is to buy a new one, and think about replacement later.
05:28<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>ln-: the problem about that is, i just bought a new one... that's the one that is failing...
05:28<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>and it's not really "important", just "big"
05:28<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>half of the stuff on there is uncut tv recordings...
05:28<ln-:#openttd>buy another new one, then you'll have two big ones after replacing the failing one.
05:29<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i don't have another SATA port free...
05:31<ln-:#openttd>this adapter will help you with that: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10113
05:34<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>well, i got to go now
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05:44<@peter1138:#openttd>Brianetta, on a new game, or that game with lots of motorways?
05:44<Nite_Owl:#openttd>!logs
05:44<SpComb:#openttd>Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
05:47<Brianetta:#openttd>peter1138: Oh, it's a motorway patchwork.
05:47<Brianetta:#openttd>Despite my warning on the web page *and* the join message.
05:47<Brianetta:#openttd>Ammler: What is it with autoreplace? That's not the cause of the desyncs.
05:48<Brianetta:#openttd>Desyncs are caused by waypoints and merging traffic queues.
05:48<Brianetta:#openttd>I might limit the number of road vehicles in the next game.
05:49<Brianetta:#openttd>If I limit it to one road vehicle, there can't ever be a jam.
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05:56<Ammler:#openttd>Brianetta: all companies are passworded on your server...
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05:57<Ammler:#openttd>maybe first time I saw that on a server :-)
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05:59<@peter1138:#openttd>That's because he has autoclean enabled.
06:00<Ammler:#openttd>you mean "disabled"?
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06:02<@peter1138:#openttd>I would've said disabled if I'd meant disabled.
06:02<Ammler:#openttd>:-)
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06:08<Brianetta:#openttd>It's enabled and disabled
06:08<Brianetta:#openttd>disabled for passworded companies
06:09<Brianetta:#openttd>Ammler: I'm pretty sure every company on some of the coop servers is passworded...
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06:31<dih:#openttd>Brianetta: why dont you submit your patch for the autoclean to fs?
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06:41<Brianetta:#openttd>dih: It's in trunk, independantly
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07:08<dih:#openttd>Brianetta: since when?
07:09<Nite_Owl:#openttd>Anyone seen this yet - http://transporter.sfg-gaming.com/
07:09<Progman:#openttd>the "new" openttd? yes *g*
07:10<Forked:#openttd>the renamed openttd? :o anyway.. ACCESS DENIED when trying to download
07:11<Forked:#openttd>oh wait, now I got something
07:11<Progman:#openttd>I guess the devs will send an email soon
07:11<Nite_Owl:#openttd>Posted on the forums about an hour ago. Not sure how long the project itself has been around.
07:11<Forked:#openttd>first thing I see is openttd*.grf files
07:11<dih:#openttd>LOL
07:12<dih:#openttd>this project is GPL, so....
07:12<Nite_Owl:#openttd>Exactly
07:12<dih:#openttd>Forked: what's the url to download?
07:12<Forked:#openttd>http://transporter.sfg-gaming.com/downloads/Transporter%200.0.1.zip
07:13<dih:#openttd>404
07:13<Nite_Owl:#openttd>Just seems a bit odd. Why not contribute instead of competing.
07:13<dih:#openttd>what did you do to fis that
07:13<Forked:#openttd>some .tar files
07:13<Forked:#openttd>generictrams_v04.grf
07:13<Forked:#openttd>v0.4 even
07:13<dih:#openttd>got it
07:13<Forked:#openttd>the trg*.grf files
07:14<Forked:#openttd>not going to launch the exe, heh
07:14<Progman:#openttd>so "fail" ;)
07:14<Forked:#openttd>but in the .exe I find things like ":\documents and settings\ben burt\my documents\openttd src\trunk\src\train.h" =p
07:14<dih:#openttd>the 'menu title' of the main menu sais OpenTTD 0.0.1
07:14<Progman:#openttd>Last-Modified: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:28:38 GMT
07:15<Progman:#openttd>so the project exists like around 3 weeks
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07:16<dih:#openttd>Progman: if you can call it a project
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07:17<dih:#openttd>it's just ./configure --revision=0.0.1
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07:17<Nite_Owl:#openttd>Might hit a snag with grf files depending on the license
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07:17<dih:#openttd>must be from a stable
07:17<dih:#openttd>Nite_Owl: we could mail the url to marjacq
07:17<dih:#openttd>:-D
07:18<Brianetta:#openttd>dih: Since at least the 19th of August, which is when Rubidium said to me, "Last, but certainly not least: this feature is already in trunk."
07:18<dih:#openttd>wow - i never knew ;-)
07:19<dih:#openttd>must be from a stable as all the work done on the german translation is not included :-P
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07:21<Nite_Owl:#openttd>It looks like a one man show so it most likely will not last.
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07:24<Brianetta:#openttd>Hey, got to get me some Transporter action
07:24<Brianetta:#openttd>http://transporter.sfg-gaming.com/
07:24<Brianetta:#openttd>oh yeah
07:25<Nite_Owl:#openttd>Scroll up a bit
07:25<Brianetta:#openttd>no
07:25<Zephyris:#openttd>Wow, what a great game!
07:25<Brianetta:#openttd>It's not very good, actually
07:26<Brianetta:#openttd>I mean, compared to Simutrans
07:26<Brianetta:#openttd>say
07:26<Zephyris:#openttd>I love the title page of it, says "OpenTTD" at the top and "Transporter 0.0.1" on the title page window
07:27<Forked:#openttd>s/OpenTTD/Transporter
07:27<dih:#openttd>hehe
07:27<dih:#openttd>it's quite amusing methinks
07:28<Brianetta:#openttd>It has an openttd.grf in its archive
07:28<Forked:#openttd>I don't see the source anywhere
07:28<Brianetta:#openttd>THey didn't release source?
07:28<Brianetta:#openttd>ooh
07:28<Brianetta:#openttd>naughty
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07:29<CommanderZ:#openttd>they have their own bugtracker :)
07:29<Brianetta:#openttd>but it's got stupid stuff on it
07:29<Forked:#openttd>I see the original grf's though (or at least I think I do)
07:29<Brianetta:#openttd>Steel mills, for example. Why change their behaviour in code?
07:30<Brianetta:#openttd>Well, who's going to get their solicitor to draft a cease and desist order?
07:31<CommanderZ:#openttd>We should chack it again once it is in version 0.04, they should be having ship collisions then :)
07:31<dih:#openttd>Brianetta: just need to get marjacq's attention to them
07:31<CommanderZ:#openttd>it si something ottd could use a lot
07:31<dih:#openttd>for distributing the original grf files
07:32<CommanderZ:#openttd>which grfs?
07:32<Brianetta:#openttd>THE grfs
07:32<dih:#openttd>aye
07:32<Forked:#openttd>trg*
07:32<dih:#openttd>those we dont speak of
07:32<dih:#openttd>:-P
07:32<Forked:#openttd>modified 02.07.1996 16:40 :)
07:32<CommanderZ:#openttd>sry, my opera crashed minute ago
07:32<Forked:#openttd>so who made grf's in '96.. hmhm
07:32<CommanderZ:#openttd>im not that stupid
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07:33<Forked:#openttd>I was just speculating out loud, not trying to insult you :)
07:33<dih:#openttd>marjacq is quite sensitive regarding those files, afaik
07:35<dih:#openttd>this is in complete violation of gpl
07:36<dih:#openttd>not even the license file is being distributed
07:36<dih:#openttd>nor the readme
07:36<dih:#openttd>how can i see the in game credits?
07:37<dih:#openttd>"Copyright © OpenTTD Developers 2002-2008." <- LOL
07:37<dih:#openttd>file version: 0.7.0.14177
07:37<dih:#openttd>haha
07:37<Brianetta:#openttd>If they're listed somewhere, that might stand in court.
07:37<Forked:#openttd>s/ <-failed
07:38<dih:#openttd>still - how does one get to the in-game credits?
07:39<CommanderZ:#openttd>there arean't any, are they?
07:39<CommanderZ:#openttd>btw no source code = no gpl
07:40<dih:#openttd>yes there are
07:40<dih:#openttd>in a game
07:40<dih:#openttd>question-mark icon
07:40<dih:#openttd>about OpenTTD :-D
07:40<dih:#openttd>HEHEHE
07:44<CommanderZ:#openttd>how do you (ore someone else) want to contact them? there is no contact on the site.
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07:46<Alberth:#openttd>Each domain at the Internet has a contact address
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07:56<Zephyris:#openttd>Sooo... Would anyone like a copyright discussion!?
07:56<Zephyris:#openttd>Specifically OpenGFX
07:56<Nite_Owl:#openttd>The only way it will flourish is if you make a big deal out if it. If you leave it alone it will wither and die.
07:57<Zephyris:#openttd>matthijs got in touch with the Debian legal list (http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/09/msg00124.html)
07:57<Nite_Owl:#openttd>Oops - sorry Zephyris - that was not directed at what you were saying
07:58<Zephyris:#openttd>nite_owl: don't worry I guessed that :D
07:58<Zephyris:#openttd>And the conflict comes down to is it OK to distribute CC-by-SA with GPL?
07:59<Brianetta:#openttd>Almost certainly.
07:59<Zephyris:#openttd>The artists still generally CC-by-SA, but are also generally happy with GPL.
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07:59<Zephyris:#openttd>And the distribution problem is something even Debian's legal group can't answer!
08:00<Brianetta:#openttd>Compatibility boils down to, "Do the two licenses confer the same rights?"
08:00<Brianetta:#openttd>They do, in the context of artwork which has no source
08:04<Ammler:#openttd>Zephyris: do you need to remove content if you use the CC-by-SA?
08:04<Ammler:#openttd>(arthist againt it?)
08:04<Ammler:#openttd>artist
08:05<Zephyris:#openttd>At the moment neither CC-by-SA or GPL have 100% agreement from teh artists, but both are at about 90%, either way it will take some persuasion.
08:05<Zephyris:#openttd>or some cutting
08:05<dih:#openttd>go for cutting, that has most leaverage on the artists :-D
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08:06<dih:#openttd>http://home.sfg-gaming.com/
08:06<dih:#openttd>Ben Burt ;-)
08:06<Ammler:#openttd>dih: likes to use the hammer :P
08:07<Forked:#openttd>dih: well the source was compiled in user "ben burt"s folder in my documents\ :p
08:07<Zephyris:#openttd>The critical point the debian list seems to think the copyright issue rotates round is independence of the two works, the openttd game engine and opengfx
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08:08<dih:#openttd>i will contact them - i love doing such stuff
08:08<Zephyris:#openttd>if they are truly independent and interchangeable (like an image editing program and an image) then they can have different licenses and be distributed together
08:08<Ammler:#openttd>Forked: is it the same as OpenTTD?
08:08<dih:#openttd>and i will start by asking for the source ;-)
08:08<dih:#openttd>if they refuse to give access to it, they are really bad :-D
08:08<dih:#openttd>Ammler: yes
08:09<Forked:#openttd>Ammler: wherewhat?
08:09<dih:#openttd>it still sais openttd all over the place
08:09<Zephyris:#openttd>if they are not independent and interchangeable then they must have the same license to be distributed together
08:09*Ammler:#openttd can't download it
08:09<dih:#openttd>references all the dvs
08:09<dih:#openttd>http://transporter.sfg-gaming.com/downloads/
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08:09<CommanderZ:#openttd>It won't be interchangeable, will it?
08:09<Zephyris:#openttd>in itself the CC-by-SA license free enough for debian, its just a matter of co-distributioon
08:09<Ammler:#openttd>dih: Access denid
08:10<Ammler:#openttd>oh now
08:10<Zephyris:#openttd>well OpenGFX and the original graphics are interchangeable when using either TTDPatch or OpenTTD
08:10<CommanderZ:#openttd>but opengfx not
08:10<CommanderZ:#openttd>it gonna have some special format afaik
08:10<Ammler:#openttd>I would love to see OpenGFX splitted like openttd?.grf
08:11<Zephyris:#openttd>No special format, just an extra text file which gives some extra meta data
08:11<Zephyris:#openttd>if you replace the original grfs in TTD with the opengfx ones it will work perfectly
08:11<CommanderZ:#openttd>but ttdp won't be able to load it, yes?
08:12<Ammler:#openttd>CommanderZ: rename it.
08:12<CommanderZ:#openttd>so the text file will just carry the info about the file name?
08:12<Ammler:#openttd>changing the grfs was one of the first methods to mod TTD
08:13<Tekky:#openttd>To whom it may concern: I have just now posted a new binary for realistic timetables 1.57(cargodest version). I guess most people in this channel can compile the source code themselves, so my binary is not interesting for most people in this channel. But I thought I'd post it, anyway. :-)
08:13<Tekky:#openttd>Here is a link to the forum thread: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39276
08:13<Ammler:#openttd>Tekky: do you use tt-forums as hoster?
08:14<Tekky:#openttd>no, rapidshare.... I thought it wouldn't be appropriate to use up too much server space :)
08:14<Tekky:#openttd>every time I post a new binary, it takes 3 MB space.
08:14<Ammler:#openttd>well, that is fine
08:14<@peter1138:#openttd>Don't forget to include the readme and COPYING :p
08:14<@peter1138:#openttd>(You didn't last time)
08:15<Ammler:#openttd>not everybody has account at rapidshare
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08:15<Ammler:#openttd>orudge: will tell you, if you use too much space.
08:15<Tekky:#openttd>peter1138: oh, shouldn't I also include the source code? :)
08:15<Ammler:#openttd>I hope, you don't :P
08:16<Tekky:#openttd>Ammler: if you don't have a rapidshare account, you only have to wait for 30 seconds until the download starts.
08:16<Ammler:#openttd>I guess, there is a forum rule like "do not use such file hoster"
08:16<@peter1138:#openttd>Tekky, no, that is not necessary, heh...
08:17<Tekky:#openttd>peter1138: Doesn't the GPL require that?
08:17<@peter1138:#openttd>Nope.
08:17*roboboy:#openttd wonders how long this old ai will last
08:18<Alberth:#openttd>roboboy: longer than you expect
08:18<roboboy:#openttd>they gave in with their trains
08:18<roboboy:#openttd>and are doing buses
08:19<roboboy:#openttd>when I get more cash ill buy them
08:19<roboboy:#openttd>they know they can use bridges over diagonal tracks
08:20<Zephyris:#openttd>Do any of the devs have an oppinion with the opengfx license?
08:20<@peter1138:#openttd>> I wasn't referring to non-free data, but instead of DFSG-data with a
08:20<@peter1138:#openttd>> license not-compatible with GPL. Such as GPL'ed engine and CC-by-sa
08:20<@peter1138:#openttd>> 3.0 data.
08:20<@peter1138:#openttd>:o
08:21<Zephyris:#openttd>?
08:21*dih:#openttd could also just send them a copy of the GPL v2
08:23<CommanderZ:#openttd>btw, aren't original vehicle data and such (train names, etc...) also copyrighted?
08:24<Noldo:#openttd>CommanderZ: ones from ttd or ones from ottd?
08:24<Zephyris:#openttd>No, or probably not
08:25<Zephyris:#openttd>you can't copyright names IIRC
08:25<CommanderZ:#openttd>ttd
08:25<Zephyris:#openttd>you cant even trademark numbers
08:25<CommanderZ:#openttd>just...opengfx copies them 1:1, so I wonder if it could make trouble
08:26<Noldo:#openttd>so ttd didn't have the "real" plane names then?
08:26<Zephyris:#openttd>opengfx has nothing to do with train names or statistic, it is not a newgrf, just a grf
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08:26<Zephyris:#openttd>tto had the real plane and train names, ttd had the made up ones
08:26<Zephyris:#openttd>the names are part of the code, not the opengfx grf
08:27<Noldo:#openttd>ok
08:27<Ammler:#openttd>isn't there setting to switch to original names?
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08:28<roboboy:#openttd>this ai isnt really competing against me its kinda helping me
08:29<@peter1138:#openttd>The AIs don't compete.
08:30<roboboy:#openttd>well I have a pax route from one end of the map and they are just growing the middle towns that I have stops at
08:33<dih:#openttd>Zephyris: afaik the TTD namings could not name the origianl vehicles (e.g. Boing 747) due to some legal issue....
08:34<dih:#openttd>i have no idea though if marjac has anything for the names they chose for the vehicles
08:34<dih:#openttd>*marjacq
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08:35<Ammler:#openttd>newgrfs are sorted for the GRFID on the server page: http://www.openttd.org/en/server/101
08:35<Ammler:#openttd>(shouldn't that be for name?)
08:35<Zephyris:#openttd>the legal issue would be due to them being trademarks
08:37<Noldo:#openttd>which they propably are not
08:37<Zephyris:#openttd>the made up ones are not
08:39<Noldo:#openttd>if someone started making planes or trucks with those names it might change
08:39<Noldo:#openttd>though it might still be a good idea to invent original names
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08:40<Ammler:#openttd>Transporter 0.0.1 looks more like a joke
08:40<Ammler:#openttd>it uses the cfg from ~/.openttd/
08:41*roboboy:#openttd wonders if that will even work
08:41<roboboy:#openttd>and why did it get posted in the development forum?
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08:44<Nite_Owl:#openttd>too... bright... outside... must... retreat... L8r... all
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08:45<ln-:#openttd>http://www.amazon.com/Just-How-Stupid-Are-We/dp/0465077714
08:45<ccfreak2k:#openttd>What exactly is Transporter?
08:46<Forked:#openttd>openttd
08:47<ccfreak2k:#openttd>http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=99197 Heh.
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08:49<Frag971:#openttd>heya ppl. im looking for this and cant fint... i installed OpenTTD but the fonts are missing i installed the .grf font file but it doesnt seem to work :|
08:50<Frag971:#openttd>how to i install a font then cus the game is all in ??????????s
08:50<ccfreak2k:#openttd>I'm going to guess it's Unicode-related.
08:53<@peter1138:#openttd>You're going to guess wrong :)
08:53<ccfreak2k:#openttd>That's why it's a guess.
08:54<@peter1138:#openttd>Frag971, read the readme. There's a paragraph in there about setting up fonts.
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09:12<roboboy:#openttd>gnight soon
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09:15<yorick:#openttd>Ahoy! sailors! It's talk like a pirate day!
09:15<SpComb:#openttd>OYARRLY
09:15<yorick:#openttd>yarr!
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09:20<Ammler:#openttd>has winxp "native" ssh support?
09:20<Ammler:#openttd>or does it still need putty?
09:20<SpComb:#openttd>does any windows have ssh support out-of-the-box?
09:20<yorick:#openttd>it needs puty
09:21<yorick:#openttd>or telnet+s
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09:30<Noldo:#openttd>Ammler: even if it had I would still use putty
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09:33<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i always use ssh secure shell...
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09:39<ln-:#openttd>Ammler: you need an auxiliary verb in questions in english.
09:39<Ammler:#openttd>does windows have...
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09:40<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>"how goes it?"
09:40<Ammler:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause: that shell is also not included, I assume?
09:40<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>of course not...
09:41<Ammler:#openttd>:-)
09:42<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i have installed kde-win yesterday on my work pc, but i did not check everything out that it offers...
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10:06<yorick:#openttd>stupid widget and guilist...
10:06<yorick:#openttd>2*6 > 10
10:07<yorick:#openttd>why isn't 2*6 10?
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10:07<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>you could try 6*9
10:08<yorick:#openttd>why are the guilists 10 and the legend lines 11?
10:08<yorick:#openttd>6*
10:08<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>@calc 2^64
10:08<@DorpsGek:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
10:08<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>@calc 2**64
10:08<@DorpsGek:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause: 18446744073709551616
10:08<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>@calc 2**63
10:08<@DorpsGek:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause: 9223372036854775808
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10:18<@Belugas:#openttd>blub blub
10:20<yorick:#openttd>gulp
10:21<yorick:#openttd>meh
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10:31<SmatZ:#openttd>http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/dragon.png finishing DM :)
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10:36*yorick:#openttd ponders ceil((calculation) / 10) * 10, but it doesn't work on negative stuffs
10:37<Sacro:#openttd>yorick: what are you trying to do?
10:38<yorick:#openttd>I am trying to make a value ceil to 10
10:38<yorick:#openttd>or to -10, if it's negative
10:38<yorick:#openttd>hm, or did I want to floor it
10:38<Sacro:#openttd>what goes to -10
10:38<yorick:#openttd>no, I wanted to ceil it
10:38<Sacro:#openttd>-10.5 or -9.5?
10:38<yorick:#openttd>-9.5
10:38<yorick:#openttd>but -5 too
10:38<Sacro:#openttd>that'd be floor
10:38<Sacro:#openttd>you want to floor to -10
10:38<Sacro:#openttd>and ciel to 10
10:38<yorick:#openttd>yes
10:39<yorick:#openttd>...I think
10:39<yorick:#openttd>but 15 to 20
10:39<yorick:#openttd>and -15 to -20
10:39<Sacro:#openttd>if (value < 0) ? ceil(x) : floor (X)
10:39<Sacro:#openttd>eh :\
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10:41<yorick:#openttd>because I want to resize the industry list, and that only works on a multiple of 10
10:42*SmatZ:#openttd floors yorick
10:42*yorick:#openttd ceils SmatZ
10:42<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>why would that be negative?
10:42<SmatZ:#openttd>:)
10:42<yorick:#openttd>because it can resize upwards
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10:43<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>yeah, Sacro's version should work
10:43<Sacro:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause: should it?
10:43<Sacro:#openttd>:\
10:43<Sacro:#openttd>not often my code works
10:43<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>well, something along those lines ;)
10:43<yorick:#openttd>no
10:43<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i mean the general concept
10:43<Sacro:#openttd>i think i got them the wrong way round
10:43<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>not the actual copy-paste ;)
10:44<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>doesn't change the concept ;)
10:44<yorick:#openttd>you got them the wrong way around
10:46<yorick:#openttd>argh, why can't the thing just draw half-a-string
10:47<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>my understanding is that there are functions that can cut off a string at a certain width
10:47<yorick:#openttd>yes, not of a certain height
10:48<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>what is the actual problem here? i thought the industry list can already resize?
10:48<yorick:#openttd>http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=httpclanmegawarlinkeu15kk5.png
10:48<yorick:#openttd>it can only resize properly with multiples of 10
10:49<yorick:#openttd>that's my problem
10:49<yorick:#openttd>I need to have that legend resizing
10:50<yorick:#openttd>or I should just resize the whole window...but that's a bad idea, because it resizes while resizing it, then
10:50<yorick:#openttd>which tends to be annoying
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10:53<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>so the actual problem is the alignment of the lower widgets?
10:54<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>how about looking at the vehicle lists? they must have done something similar
10:54<yorick:#openttd>the vehicle lists haven't
10:54<yorick:#openttd>it's about the legend resizing
10:54<yorick:#openttd>and it resizes to multiples of 6
10:55<yorick:#openttd>so the industry lists needs to downsize
10:55<@Belugas:#openttd>yorick, it is my belief that, even if your approach seems like working, it is not th scheme we add in mind for that. Simply using the minimap "filter" is not a good way to go. A dropdown panel of some sort would have been better and more easy to use
10:55<@Belugas:#openttd>otherwise, as you can see, you're going in strange avenues
10:55<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>yorick: but the industry legend also resizes in the map
10:56<yorick:#openttd>Eddi: yes, but the map doesn't care about being resized with multiples of 6
10:56<dih:#openttd>what you up to this time yorick
10:56<yorick:#openttd>dih: same as yesterday, but resizing
10:56<yorick:#openttd>Belugas: you can't select multiple industry-types with a dropdown
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10:57<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>yorick: i still don't see what the problem is...
10:57<yorick:#openttd>Eddi: the industry list widget can't resize to anything that doesn't end with "0"
10:58<yorick:#openttd>and it needs to resize to make way for the industry legend
10:58<Gekz:#openttd>binary or otherwise?
10:58<yorick:#openttd>Gekz: decimal
10:58<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>yorick: no, make it like the map, the map widget does not resize because the industry legend resizes
10:58<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>the whole window resizes instead
10:59<@Belugas:#openttd>yorick, it's because support for that is not written yet
10:59<yorick:#openttd>*cough*
10:59<yorick:#openttd>Eddi: try it ;)
10:59<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i'm not touching GUI code :p
11:00<yorick:#openttd>no, try resizing the smallmap
11:00<yorick:#openttd>and looking at the window size
11:00<yorick:#openttd>does it change if you resize the smallmap window?
11:00<yorick:#openttd>horizontally
11:00<yorick:#openttd>does the vertical height then change?
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11:01<yorick:#openttd>the map itself resized, not the window
11:01<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>hm... not in the version that i tried last...
11:01<@peter1138:#openttd>What?
11:01<@peter1138:#openttd>We have support for checkbox dropdowns.
11:02<@peter1138:#openttd>See the 'Settings' menu, from the main toolbar.
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11:02<yorick:#openttd>peter1138: where's that?
11:03<@peter1138:#openttd>I just told you.
11:03<yorick:#openttd>there is no 'Settings' menu from the main toolbar.
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11:04<yorick:#openttd>there is an 'Options' menu, however :-)
11:05<yorick:#openttd>then, those are very different from the dropdown menus on the windows
11:05<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i wouldn't like such a dropdown checklist...
11:06<yorick:#openttd>^^
11:06<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>plus, it's getting awfully big with 60 entries...
11:06<yorick:#openttd>64
11:06<yorick:#openttd>I second that
11:10<@Belugas:#openttd>i was not thinking about that type of "dropdown", to be honest
11:10<yorick:#openttd>?
11:10<@Belugas:#openttd>but...
11:10<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>hm... http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2017.%20Okt%201981.png <- are there features in here, that wouldn't pass as 0.6.x?
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11:11<yorick:#openttd>not that I can see, the invicibility gui was introduced some time after 0.6
11:12*peter1138:#openttd wants an invincibility gui...
11:13*planetmaker:#openttd wants invincibility backend/core :)
11:13<@peter1138:#openttd>Actually I want food.
11:13*planetmaker:#openttd has food.
11:14*planetmaker:#openttd hands peter1138 a cooky. Actually some original Dutsch Stoopwafels
11:14<+glx:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause: looks like 0.6.x for me
11:14<yorick:#openttd>Dutch*
11:14<@Belugas:#openttd>yuo know, the more i think about it, the more I think a new gui for the filter might be a better idea
11:14<@Belugas:#openttd>but...
11:14<@Belugas:#openttd>i'm not totally into it reight now
11:14<@Belugas:#openttd>-2
11:14<@Belugas:#openttd>-e
11:14<@Belugas:#openttd>ggaaaa!!!
11:14<yorick:#openttd>planetmaker: stroopkoeken, or stroopwafels?
11:14<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>go to bed! :p
11:15<planetmaker:#openttd>I said stroopwafels and I mean it.
11:15<yorick:#openttd>I like stroopkoeken more :)
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11:15<planetmaker:#openttd>stroopkoeken is not here - and stroopwafels are easier to export :P - and import
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11:16<yorick:#openttd>one of my reasons for prefering stroopkoenen
11:16<yorick:#openttd>koek*
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11:17<planetmaker:#openttd>I guess I'll have enough of it in a few weeks :)
11:18<Sacro:#openttd>yorick: you liek teh koek?
11:18<Sacro:#openttd>:P
11:18<yorick:#openttd>I like teh stroopkoek
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11:42<Sacro:#openttd>Hofstadter's book elevates recursion (in the broadest sense of
11:42<Sacro:#openttd>self-reference) to exalted heights, leading to Andrew Plotkin's recursive
11:42<Sacro:#openttd>definition of recursion: "If you already know what recursion is, just
11:42<Sacro:#openttd>remember the answer. Otherwise, find someone who is standing closer to
11:42<Sacro:#openttd>Douglas Hofstadter than you are; then ask him or her what recursion is."
11:46<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>http://www.uni-eschweilerhof.de/rekfak/
11:47<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>"Bitte klicken Sie hier, um zur Homepage der Rekursiven Fakultät zu gelangen."
11:48<SmatZ:#openttd>hehe
11:48<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>(it's actually a non-translateable play on words, because "faculty" and "factorial" are the same word in german)
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12:04<@Belugas:#openttd>"welcome to my Nightmare"
12:05<@Belugas:#openttd>and now... time to the Black Widow!
12:05<@Belugas:#openttd>and of course lunch hehehe
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12:34<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: smatz * r14360 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Cleanup (r12652): remove unused handler for the 'Tranfser' button
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12:45<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i have never seen a "Tranfser" button... no wonder it was unused :p
12:46<SmatZ:#openttd>:-p
12:47<SmatZ:#openttd>haha mr. funny :-P
12:47-!-mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by Belugas
12:47<@SmatZ:#openttd>:-D
12:47<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>in german we have a saying: "Wer den Schaden hat, braucht für den Spott nicht zu sorgen."
12:48<@Belugas:#openttd>"A vos souhaits"
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12:50<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>not exactly the same meaning :p
12:50<@Belugas:#openttd>lol
12:50<@Belugas:#openttd>i just can imagine :D
12:50*Sacro:#openttd plays Transporter
12:51<@Belugas:#openttd>ho... poor dear...
12:51<Sacro:#openttd>hmm
12:51<@Belugas:#openttd>now. what should I do with you ?
12:51<Sacro:#openttd>"UK Renewal Train Set"
12:51<@Belugas:#openttd>i know!
12:51<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>it translates roughly as "who has the damage, does not have to care for the mockery"
12:51<Sacro:#openttd>i wonder where Pikka is
12:51*frosch123:#openttd considers to transfer some of the nasty bug reports to the transporter fs
12:52<Sacro:#openttd>frosch123: if they fix it then you can yoink their patch
12:52<@Belugas:#openttd>frankly, i doubt "they" could do anything usefull
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12:53<@Belugas:#openttd>but.. yeah, i agree with frosch123 :)
12:53<@Belugas:#openttd>that would be fun fun fun
12:53*frosch123:#openttd supposses "they" to be a single underaged kiddo
12:53<@Belugas:#openttd>my tough
12:53<@Belugas:#openttd>my thoughs
12:55<@Belugas:#openttd>or the most absurd requests been made :)
12:55<@Belugas:#openttd>and they are many!
12:58<@SmatZ:#openttd>:)
12:58<Sacro:#openttd>i think it is Blurty
12:58<Sacro:#openttd>@seen Blurty
12:58<@DorpsGek:#openttd>Sacro: I have not seen Blurty.
13:03<@Belugas:#openttd>@seen Burty
13:03<@DorpsGek:#openttd>Belugas: I have not seen Burty.
13:06<@peter1138:#openttd>Hello.
13:06*peter1138:#openttd puts on some Bowie.
13:06<@SmatZ:#openttd>hello
13:06<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>hm... from the GPL vs CC discussion: "The case where the same game content can be used in a different engine+code verbatim is exceedingly rare." <- that is clearly relevant, as the same grf files can be usually used in both OpenTTD and TTDPatch, which are a very independent code base
13:08<@Belugas:#openttd>bowie... mmh... nice idea
13:13<@Belugas:#openttd>i would if i did n't forgot my colleciton at home :S
13:13<@Belugas:#openttd>so...keep on playing Alice Cooper
13:13<@Belugas:#openttd>old ones... may i point out
13:15<@peter1138:#openttd>:)
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13:54<@Bjarni:#openttd>ohoy
13:57<Capn_Frink:#openttd>Bjarrrrrni!
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14:06<@Bjarni:#openttd>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/224892/asus-ships-software-cracker-on-recovery-dvd.html <-- speaking about pirates :D
14:10<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i'm a "land rat", i can't grasp the concept of this pirate thing
14:10<@Bjarni:#openttd>o_O
14:10<@Bjarni:#openttd>let's make this land lubber walk the plank
14:10<Capn_Frink:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause: Be ye a... ninja?
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14:14<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118708/ <-
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15:45<Zephyris:#openttd>sooo, the forums messed up...
15:46<@peter1138:#openttd>Nice...
15:47<Zephyris:#openttd>tho it looks like just the css and the index page
15:47<Zephyris:#openttd>and header and footer
15:47<Tekky:#openttd>what is the name of the chat channel for TTDPatch? I was once told before, but I forgot again :(
15:47<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>#tycoon
15:47<Tekky:#openttd>ah, thx.
15:48<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>anyone told orudge already?
15:48<Tekky:#openttd>I did
15:48<Tekky:#openttd>that's why I asked about the chat channel, I wanted to know what was going on about the forum hack......
15:49<@orudge:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause: yes
15:49<@orudge:#openttd>I'm well aware
15:50<hylje:#openttd>what happen
15:50<murray:#openttd>someone set up us the bomb?
15:50<hylje:#openttd>main screen turn on
15:51<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>you have no chance to survive
15:52<hylje:#openttd>make your time
15:52<@SmatZ:#openttd>hmm stupid hackers
15:52<@SmatZ:#openttd>script kiddies
15:52<@SmatZ:#openttd>electric chair for those suckers
15:52<@Belugas:#openttd>who? where?
15:52<@SmatZ:#openttd>http://www.tt-forums.net/
15:53<@SmatZ:#openttd>children...
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15:53*Belugas:#openttd is shocked and ...
15:53<@Belugas:#openttd>shocked
15:53<hylje:#openttd>double-shocked
15:53<teggigi:#openttd>should reply with
15:53<teggigi:#openttd>you suck sas
15:53<@SmatZ:#openttd>appealed :)
15:53<teggigi:#openttd>and add a LOL at the ned
15:53<teggigi:#openttd>end* :E:E:E
15:53<@SmatZ:#openttd>heheheheehe
15:53<teggigi:#openttd>pff
15:53<teggigi:#openttd>i thought it was good at the time i wrote it
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15:59<@Belugas:#openttd>next donation round will be to buy a lock for orudge's room ;)
15:59<@SmatZ:#openttd>:-)
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16:10<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>ahh.... "maintenance"... that's what this is called ;)
16:10<@orudge:#openttd>of a sort
16:11<@Belugas:#openttd>hurray for backups...
16:12<@Rubidium:#openttd>but... but... oh... never mind, I didn't post since when the backup was made ;)
16:12<@peter1138:#openttd>Last week?
16:13<@SmatZ:#openttd>isn't the backup done every night?
16:13<@Belugas:#openttd>yeah, just when i can finally start looking at forumes :S
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16:23<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: translators * r14361 /trunk/src/lang/ (14 files): (log message trimmed)
16:23<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-09-19 20:23:28
16:23<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: italian - 8 fixed by lorenzodv (8)
16:23<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: korean - 3 fixed by leejaeuk5 (3)
16:23<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 119 fixed by ww9980 (119)
16:23<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: spanish - 1 fixed by eusebio (1)
16:23<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: swedish - 13 fixed by ChrillDeVille (13)
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16:59<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>what i love about the openttd visualisation is ho celestar keeps blinking up with a branch, and then disappears again ;)
17:00<dih:#openttd>hehe
17:01<dih:#openttd>oh - you talking about OpenTTD or Transport? :-D
17:01<@Belugas:#openttd>+er
17:01<dih:#openttd>yes
17:01<dih:#openttd>that
17:01<@Belugas:#openttd>** that **
17:01<@Belugas:#openttd>with disgust
17:02<dih:#openttd>i know something you could do - which would be even more disgusting :-P
17:02<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>"realistic transporter" :p
17:03<dih:#openttd>no - inform marjacq of the url and explain the contents of the zip package
17:03<dih:#openttd>i.e. the grf files it includes or the files in the gm/ folder
17:04<Ammler:#openttd>much better "dummy" support ;-)
17:05<dih:#openttd>those idiots :-P
17:07<Brianetta:#openttd>Who's marjacq?
17:07<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>i have no idea myself
17:08<dih:#openttd>marjacq is the agency of CS, who actually believes to be the right copyright owner of TT TTD
17:09<dih:#openttd>and who said that they ever only hand out distribution rights to companies like atari, and the lot
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17:10<@peter1138:#openttd>That strikes me a stupid idea.
17:11<dih:#openttd>why is that?
17:11<Ammler:#openttd>I bet, they wont do anything...
17:11<dih:#openttd>not sure
17:11<Ammler:#openttd>worth a try :-)
17:11<dih:#openttd>yep
17:12<dih:#openttd>you will want to contact Guy Herbert
17:13<dih:#openttd><firstname>@marjacq.com
17:13<Ammler:#openttd>I am the one, who bet against :P
17:13<dih:#openttd>i think they would do something, but they would not take these sfg-gaming.com to court
17:14<dih:#openttd>just perhaps some mail
17:14<@peter1138:#openttd>Hey Marjacq, we wrote this software that may or may not infringe on your copyrights, do you fancy going after these other people?
17:14<Ammler:#openttd>lol
17:15<dih:#openttd>peter1138, they know OpenTTD well enough
17:15<dih:#openttd>and i did not say that YOU (the devs) should point out those people
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17:17<dih:#openttd>i have already had my phone calles with guy (and emails)
17:17<dih:#openttd>so that could be something to base another mail on
17:18<dih:#openttd>+44 (0) 1935 813097 <- phone number of Steven Saywell
17:18<dih:#openttd>the friend of the guy who compiled the Transporter binary
17:20<murray:#openttd>ooh, gonna have fun with that tonight
17:21<dih:#openttd>well - his cell phone number is listed in the whois database
17:22<murray:#openttd>but this way, you will feel guilty
17:22<murray:#openttd>mwahaha
17:22<dih:#openttd>why would i feel guilty?
17:23<murray:#openttd>because i COMMAND YOU TO!
17:24<dih:#openttd>cute!
17:25<Brianetta:#openttd>hi
17:25<Brianetta:#openttd>^^ That was Helen
17:26<@Rubidium:#openttd>say hi from us to Helen
17:26<Brianetta:#openttd>She his back, again
17:26<Brianetta:#openttd>I think she feels a tad timid
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17:27<dih:#openttd>hello Helen
17:27<@Bjarni:#openttd>hello Helen
17:27<yorick:#openttd>hello Helen
17:27<@Bjarni:#openttd>was Brianetta too hard on you? :)
17:27<dih:#openttd>;-)
17:28<Brianetta:#openttd>oo-err missus
17:28<dih:#openttd>Helen: what do you do?
17:29<yorick:#openttd>being Brianetta's something
17:29*dih:#openttd slpas yorick
17:30<dih:#openttd>wife != something
17:30*yorick:#openttd slpas dih back
17:30<dih:#openttd>where did that +q on yorick go to anyway?
17:30<dih:#openttd>:P
17:30<yorick:#openttd>you ned a +q on me?
17:30-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!*@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni
17:30<@Bjarni:#openttd>that one works too
17:30<@Bjarni:#openttd>oops
17:30<dih:#openttd>Bjarni, yorick has a static
17:31*Rubidium:#openttd thanks Bjarni
17:31<@Bjarni:#openttd>I meant to ban him, not his ISP
17:31-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni
17:31*Rubidium:#openttd is with that ISP too
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17:31<dih:#openttd>if you look at the logs, yorick has not connected to irc with anything other than that ip
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17:32<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>yes he did.
17:33<dih:#openttd>how many times? once or twice
17:33<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>something around that, yes
17:33<dih:#openttd>and that was probably around the time where he joined from his bouncer
17:33<dih:#openttd>same host the bot 'questionmark' was on
17:33-!-mode/#openttd [-b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni
17:34<yorick:#openttd>I don't have a bouncer
17:34-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni
17:34<dih:#openttd>LOLO
17:34<dih:#openttd>Bjarni, *@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl ;-)
17:34<@Bjarni:#openttd>not quite ready for this channel
17:34<dih:#openttd>like i said - it's a static ip
17:35-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!*@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni
17:35<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd> 39 (~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl).
17:35<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd> 31 (~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl).
17:35<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd> 109 (~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl).
17:35-!-mode/#openttd [-b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni
17:35<dih:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause, yes - that is the wireless from his neightbour
17:36<@Bjarni:#openttd>oh he is that kind of guy
17:36<@Rubidium:#openttd>or his mobile phone...
17:36-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!*@82-171-*-*.ip.telfort.nl] by Bjarni
17:37-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!*Bjarni@*.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] by peter1138
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17:37<dih:#openttd>so 3 ip's in what 1.5 years?
17:37-!-mode/#openttd [-b *!*Bjarni@*.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] by peter1138
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17:38*dih:#openttd points at peter1138
17:38<@Bjarni:#openttd>I know
17:38<@Bjarni:#openttd>I just don't know why
17:38<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>oftc.net_#openttd.log:[Mo Feb 11 2008] [17:13:23] Betreten Yorick hat den Kanal betreten (~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl).
17:38<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>that's the first instance i could find
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17:39<thvdburgt:#openttd>tt-forums hacked :O?
17:40<dih:#openttd>?
17:40<valhallasw:#openttd>eh, no
17:40<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>no, undergoing maintenance, obviously ;)
17:40<valhallasw:#openttd>just maintanance :P
17:40<@Bjarni:#openttd>read the message instead of presuming the worst
17:40<dih:#openttd>thvdburgt, thanks for sharing rubbish ;-)
17:40<thvdburgt:#openttd>now it gives a maintenance page but just a second ago it gave a black page with hacked by ....
17:41<@Bjarni:#openttd>hacked by who?
17:41<dih:#openttd>yeah, right...
17:41<murray:#openttd>that was an internal joke
17:42<@orudge:#openttd>sigh
17:42<@orudge:#openttd>bad time for it to be happening
17:43<@orudge:#openttd>at least this time I can see the admin log
17:43<@Bjarni:#openttd>van der Burgt <-- you can be named that?
17:43<@Bjarni:#openttd>sounds like it means "from the bay"
17:43<@orudge:#openttd>and despite me changing my password, he still seemed to be in with my user details
17:43<thvdburgt:#openttd>When you live in holland
17:44<@Bjarni:#openttd>but I guess you live near the water, which would make it fitting ;)
17:44<thvdburgt:#openttd>a burgt is somekind of castle/fortified building
17:44<@Bjarni:#openttd>ahh
17:44<dih:#openttd>no kidding....
17:45<@Bjarni:#openttd>those usually have a moat, so I was close :P
17:46<thvdburgt:#openttd>any idea how he got your used details orudge?
17:46<thvdburgt:#openttd>*user
17:47<@orudge:#openttd>am looking into things
17:48<murray:#openttd>wasn't it really old forum software?
17:48<murray:#openttd>with probably known holes?
17:48<@orudge:#openttd>no
17:48<@orudge:#openttd>I'm looking into it
17:48<@orudge:#openttd>can't comment just now
17:48<murray:#openttd>:p
17:48<murray:#openttd>ok
17:48<@orudge:#openttd>for things are very busy
17:48<murray:#openttd>good luck
17:49<murray:#openttd>;)
17:49<@Rubidium:#openttd>and all those questions are only delaying him in finding the culprit
17:49<murray:#openttd>i realized :p
17:49<Capn_Frink:#openttd>It was Sacro.
17:50-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!*Ben@*.karoo.KCOM.COM] by Bjarni
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17:50<@Bjarni:#openttd>Capn_Frink: now your life depends on if you are right :p
17:50<@Bjarni:#openttd>actually
17:50<thvdburgt:#openttd>does anybody know where firefox stores it's tmp-data on linux?
17:51<@Bjarni:#openttd>Capn_Frink: prove it
17:51<@Bjarni:#openttd>or you will walk the plank
17:51<@Rubidium:#openttd> /tmp or ~/.mozilla/<something> ?
17:53-!-mode/#openttd [-b *!*Ben@*.karoo.KCOM.COM] by Bjarni
17:55<Capn_Frink:#openttd>Bjarni: lose the "Ben".
17:56<Capn_Frink:#openttd>Nothing good's ever come from Ull.
17:56<@Bjarni:#openttd>?
17:58<@Bjarni:#openttd>I think that depends on the eyes of the beholder
17:58<Capn_Frink:#openttd>Bjarni: banning KCOM.COM is banning Ull.
17:58<Capn_Frink:#openttd>This is a good thing.
17:58<@Bjarni:#openttd>KCOM.COM is the town of Hull?
17:58<Capn_Frink:#openttd>Basically, yes.
17:59<@Bjarni:#openttd>cool
17:59*Bjarni:#openttd sets ban on *!*@*.COM
17:59<@Bjarni:#openttd>that should cover it
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18:12<welshdragon:#openttd>Bjarni, you do realise that when i miovem, i will have a similar ip to sacro's
18:13<welshdragon:#openttd>as i'm living in a kcom.com property
18:13<welshdragon:#openttd>in fact, all of hull is kcom.com
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18:15<welshdragon:#openttd>oh well
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18:24<@Bjarni:#openttd>welshdragon: so basically if I ban kcom.com it's a win-win?
18:25<welshdragon:#openttd>Bjarni, do that and i complain
18:25<welshdragon:#openttd>seriously
18:26<welshdragon:#openttd>Bjarni, and there are internet workarounds
18:26<welshdragon:#openttd>like mibbit and the client on tt-forums.net
18:28<@Bjarni:#openttd>I'm not seriously considering banning a whole town
18:28<@Bjarni:#openttd>unless I have a really good reason to do so
18:30<welshdragon:#openttd>Bjarni, also: i may end up using the same IP as Sacro
18:31<welshdragon:#openttd>but in any case, if you did happ to ban kcom.com i would
18:31<welshdragon:#openttd>log in on my phone
18:32<GT:#openttd>Though I'm usually compiling OTTD myself, I was just updating my Gentoo installation, and found out that all OTTD packages in Gentoo are masked (=not available) due to a security bug in older versions, or no ebuilds present of newer versions. So that means that 'normal' people, not willing to compile OTTD themselves cannot get OTTD on Gentoo. That made me wonder: is it available in other Linux distributions, and is an effort made actively to get OTTD in Linux distr
18:32<Sacro:#openttd>Bjarni: CITY
18:33<welshdragon:#openttd>Sacro, indeed, hull has a uni
18:33*welshdragon:#openttd forgot about that
18:33<Sacro:#openttd>eh?
18:33<@Bjarni:#openttd>Sacro: if Hull is a city how come you is a village idiot?
18:33<+glx:#openttd>GT: blame gentoo for not providing a recent openttd
18:34<Sacro:#openttd>GT: ArchLinux has openttd stable in the community repo, and there are PKGBUILDs available for -svn and -beta
18:35<GT:#openttd>glx: dunno how it works: do we have to offer them an ebuild, or do the Gentoo guys develop that?
18:36<+glx:#openttd>dunno
18:37<GT:#openttd>Just think it's bad that it's not available, maybe the OTTD community should actively take action to be included in various distro's
18:38<GT:#openttd>Sacro: 10 points for ArchLinux
18:38<GT:#openttd> :-P
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18:51<GT:#openttd>pom pom
18:52<+glx:#openttd>GT: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=233929 and http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215776 (not really our fault ;) )
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18:58<TrueBrain:#openttd>Buffer overflow in src/openttd.cpp in OpenTTD before 0.6.2 allows
18:58<TrueBrain:#openttd> local users to execute arbitrary code via a large filename supplied to
18:58<TrueBrain:#openttd> the "-g" parameter in the ttd_main function. NOTE: it is unlikely
18:58<TrueBrain:#openttd> that this issue would cross privilege boundaries in typical
18:58<TrueBrain:#openttd> environments.
18:58<TrueBrain:#openttd>LOL!
18:58<TrueBrain:#openttd>worst problem evah!!!! :p
18:59<TrueBrain:#openttd>sorry, it always amazes me what people mark as CVE
19:00<GT:#openttd>Yeah, agreed, this really is not a problem (when you trust your local users), but does get the package masked.
19:03<GT:#openttd>glx: nice to see it's reported at least, but OTTD seems to be masked for a year or so in my perception, maybe we should start voting to get a little priority.
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19:06<TrueBrain:#openttd>GT: when I have the time, I plan on making a layman overlay for Gentoo
19:06<TrueBrain:#openttd>so people don't have to bother about Gentoo policy
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19:08<GT:#openttd>That would be cool, but take your time, I'm capable of compiling OTTD myself, just think it should be available to people that are not.
19:09<TrueBrain:#openttd>and I agree :)
19:09<TrueBrain:#openttd>if you feel like it, feel free to create such layman overlay ;)
19:09<TrueBrain:#openttd>I am going to find my bed
19:09<TrueBrain:#openttd>night!
19:09<GT:#openttd>CU!
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19:35<Czeko:#openttd>Hello, are you there ammler?
19:38<Czeko:#openttd>i made a mexican town names .grf but only was able to list 255 names... does somebody know how can i add more?
19:39<Czeko:#openttd>also, this .grf is already funcional (without the full list thought), and i was wondering how to upload it to grfcrawler...
19:39<Czeko:#openttd>somebody else may find it useful :-)
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