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---Logopened Wed Oct 08 00:00:43 2008
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03:36<ccfreak2k>Hmm.
03:37<ccfreak2k>Most of my trains on one station are just going around in circles.
03:39<ccfreak2k>There's no particular reason. They're all heading to the other station, but they just seem to like to go around and around.
03:40<@Rubidium>there's likely a wrong signal somewhere
03:42<ccfreak2k>That's what I thought, but if I remove a portion of the track (disabling their ability to circle), they go through the other station fine.
03:43<@Rubidium>using the old pathfinder?
03:43<ccfreak2k>Using YAPP signals.
03:44<ccfreak2k>I'm gonna grab the latest nightly and see if it happens still.
03:44<@petern>What does YAPP signals have to do with which pathfinder is used?
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03:48<ccfreak2k>If you said anything between when I last said something and now, I missed it.
03:50<Metalcore>[03:44:28] <@petern> What does YAPP signals have to do with which pathfinder is used?
03:51<ccfreak2k>Pathfinder is YAPF.
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03:52<ccfreak2k>Seems to still happen on r14445.
03:52<@Celestar>heyo
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03:54<ccfreak2k>http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/endlessloopbug.tar Give it a whirl if you'd like.
03:55<@Celestar>:S
03:55<@Celestar>THG is full of shit again
03:56<@Celestar>comparing an Atom 270 + an integrated graphics controller against an Athlon 4100e + Radeon 4670.
03:57<@Celestar>"While comparing a crude oil tanker against a Ferarri F360, it was found that the Ferrari has a higher top speed, but lacks in cargo capacity" ...
03:59<@Celestar>because THG has found that the Athlon is much faster, but sips more power :P
03:59<@Celestar>don't need a friggen test for that
03:59<ccfreak2k>The Atom looks pretty cool.
04:00<ccfreak2k>My jaw dropped when I saw it on sale at Newegg for only $30.
04:00<@Celestar>yeah, unless you want to do CPU intensive work, like multimedia (and that includes BD/DVD playback)
04:00<@Celestar>and you cannot really run vista on it
04:00<@Celestar>apparently IE7 takes up to minute to fire up or something
04:01<@Celestar>running some linux + gnome + epiphany works like a breeze
04:01<ccfreak2k>Well, I wouldn't expect to run Windows Vista on it. I'd use it as a set-top box or something.
04:02<@Celestar>ccfreak2k: btw: you can get a full Dual-Core Athlon for around 35 EUR (and that includes VAT)
04:04<Aali>ccfreak2k: you've abused two-way PBS a bit too much
04:05<ccfreak2k>Celestar, said dual-core Athlon probably sucks down more wattage, though.
04:06<Aali>ccfreak2k: the pathfinder sees a route through the "exit" line
04:07<@Celestar>ccfreak2k: well yes.
04:07<Aali>make the last signal on that line one-way and the problem goes away
04:07<ccfreak2k>Aali, that's what I was thinking, and then it might be changing its mind when it loops back.
04:07<@Celestar>ccfreak2k: the question is: what do you want to use it for.
04:07<@Celestar>for SDTV, the Atom is plenty
04:07<@Celestar>and _simple_ internet browsing / email
04:07<@Celestar>well, you could do HDTV if you pair the Atom with a proper GPU
04:08<ccfreak2k>Standard TV, DVD, probably emulation with SNES and the like.
04:08<ccfreak2k>I don't have HDTV here.
04:09<Aali>ccfreak2k: it probably turns around because it sees past more of those signals (higher penalty)
04:13<Aali>so its not really a bug, you've just hit that sweet spot where the pathfinder makes the same wrong decision over and over :P
04:13<ccfreak2k>Uh huh.
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04:19<DJNekkid>im trying to debug that sound-issue i had the other day, made a patch compatible version. and i were told to use "cht: grfdebug" ...
04:19<DJNekkid>but then what? :)
04:20<DJNekkid>no windows or anything pop up :)
04:20<DaleStan>DJNekkid: Follow the directions on the TTDPatch wiki.
04:21<DJNekkid>that can be done :)
04:21<DaleStan>... Also, why am I still awake?
04:21<DJNekkid>you know, there are no stupid questions, only stupid ppl ;)
04:27<DJNekkid>hmm, nothing go into the .log file..
04:29<DJNekkid>1. buy the train. 2. cht: debug. 3: start the train and then send it to the depot. 4: cht: debug
04:31<DJNekkid>and now it dont generated either :(
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04:42<DJNekkid>omfg ... im so stupid! i forgot to set it in the action0 :(
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06:03<@petern> * DFSG version of Mono 1.9.1
06:03<@petern> + Deleted the mcs/class/System.Web.Extensions/ directory as
06:03<@petern> mcs/class/System.Web.Extensions/System.Web.Script.Serialization/JSON/*.cs
06:03<@petern> is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 which is not
06:03<@petern> DFSG-free.
06:03<@petern>Thanks Debian!
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06:23<Gekz>haha
06:23<Gekz>Debian is funny
06:27<@petern>Annoying :p
06:29<Gekz>very
06:29<Gekz>as is Debian
06:29<Gekz>and their "ethics"
06:33<FauxFaux>To be fair, some of the licenses they hate do have some shitty clauses in.
06:33<FauxFaux>The gnu free docs one has a bit that says you can put bits that people aren't allowed to change in.
06:34<FauxFaux>How is that even remotely useful?
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06:59<Dragoo_>How do I pull openttd using mercurial? I have tried hg pull http://hg.openttd.org/ and various others, but there is no .hg files there.
07:00<@Rubidium>open that URL in your webbrowser and make an educated guess
07:01<Dragoo_>http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/branches/0.6.hg/ doesn't work either
07:01<@Rubidium>remove the /
07:02<Dragoo_>hg pull http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/branches/0.6.hg
07:02<Dragoo_>abort: There is no Mercurial repository here (.hg not found)!
07:02<Dragoo_>hg pull http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/branches/0.6.hg
07:02<Dragoo_>abort: There is no Mercurial repository here (.hg not found)!
07:02<Dragoo_>sorry, double paste
07:02<Dragoo_>same if I remove 0.6.hg as well
07:02<Dragoo_>I mean .hg at end of 0.6
07:02<@Rubidium>"here" means "on the computer the hg pull is running on"
07:03<@Rubidium>i.e. there is no Mercurial repository on your computer
07:03<Dragoo_>Oh shite
07:03<@Rubidium>which is what is needed for Mercurial to work
07:03<Dragoo_>first time using a mercurial repo that isn't mine :)
07:03<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r14449 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2338]: service at nearest depot acted like go to nearest depot.
07:04<@Rubidium>use hg clone for the first time
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07:29<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r14450 /trunk/src/timetable_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2337]: time table restoring did check too restrictively causing order backups not to be properly restored.
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07:38<TrueBrain>sjoef!
07:39<@Rubidium>+ sjoef habibi?
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07:43<@Celestar>:o
07:43<@Celestar>only 16 open bugs?
07:43*Celestar gives Rubidium a cookie
07:43<TrueBrain>you want more?
07:43<TrueBrain>no problems ;)
07:44<@Celestar>yeah
07:44<@Celestar>merge cargodest and NoAI ?
07:44<@Celestar>speaking of which. NoAI will need some interface to cargodest, won't it?
07:44<@Rubidium>16?
07:44<TrueBrain>most likely
07:44<TrueBrain>relative easy :)
07:45<@Rubidium>ah... /me slaps SmatZ ;)
07:46<@Rubidium>Celestar: want to earn your cookie back?
07:47<@Celestar>Rubidium: before or after digestion?
07:47<@Rubidium>whatever suits your appetive best
07:47<@Celestar>you want me to work on 1944, right?
07:48<@Rubidium>Celestar: you can read my mind
07:49<@Celestar>I'm on it
07:49<@Celestar>but I so far have not yet achieved a satisfactory solution
07:49<@Celestar>I'm converging however :P
07:50*Rubidium wonders why people are interested in the RedHat Fedora Core 1 package of OpenTTD
07:50<@Celestar>do we have download counters btw? :P
07:50<TrueBrain>same as people want MorphOS
07:50<TrueBrain>or worse: DOS
07:50<@Rubidium>Celestar: on the test website
07:51<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: but 92 times more people have downloaded the MorphOS package w.r.t. RHFC1
07:51<TrueBrain>and if we make it easy translatable .. we can publish it :p
07:52<TrueBrain>Rubidium: but how long do we have FC1?
07:52<TrueBrain>often
07:52<TrueBrain>hmm
07:53<TrueBrain>I mean: 0.6.3 has morphos, but no fc1, right? :)
07:53<@Celestar>Rubidium: the test website being?
07:53<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: 0.3.0 and 0.3.1 have FC1
07:53<@Celestar>Rubidium: one of these days, we'll have to think of a better ship pathfinder methinks
07:54<@Rubidium>so.. 33% of the people downloading 0.3.0 have downloaded the FC1 package
07:54<TrueBrain>Rubidium: but back then stats are fuzzy :p
07:54<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: why fuzzy?
07:54<@Celestar>please provide poor bored Celestar with an URL to said stats :P
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07:54<TrueBrain>not widely known, stuff like that
07:54<@Rubidium>okay, it's given the download stats since 2008-09-14
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07:55<@Celestar>meh
07:55<@Celestar>I can't find my backup of my SNES games
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07:59*FauxFaux spies "Additionally, on Windows Vista you will need to run openttd.exe as administrator. Either right click and choose "Run as Administrator" each time, or turn off UAC for Administrators (Instructions). If OpenTTD is not run as administrator the AI directories will be invisible to the executable, and loading any AI will result in an "The AI named 'XYZ' is unknown or not suitable" error."
07:59<FauxFaux>Soooooo looking at that tonight.
07:59<dih>Hello Brianetta
08:00<Brianetta>hi
08:00<@Celestar>meh
08:00<@Celestar>I _hate_ full clusters/supercomputers
08:00<@Celestar>I need to get work done
08:01<Eddi|zuHause>should have done it before the semester started :p
08:01<@Celestar>the semester hasn't started yet Eddi|zuHause :P
08:02<Eddi|zuHause>hm, it has here... i think...
08:02<@Celestar>will start next monday here
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08:04<@Celestar>380 CPUs are offline :S
08:05<TrueBrain>auch
08:05<@Celestar>They've been offline for hours now.
08:06<@petern>Better than one CPU being offline in a single CPU machine...
08:06*Celestar wonders whether the guy(s) resonsible does anything more than stare at his management tool
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08:07<Eddi|zuHause>go to their office, take their mandatory cluebat and give them a clue ;)
08:10<FauxFaux>How pretty is the management interface?
08:10<@Celestar>I dunno
08:10<@Celestar>I just have the CLI tool for my use
08:10<TrueBrain>many red lights
08:10<TrueBrain>looks pretty!
08:10<TrueBrain>they like red lights :)
08:10<TrueBrain>(I generally do :p)
08:10<@Celestar>yeah like a runway :P
08:10<keyweed_>there are _four_ lights
08:10<Eddi|zuHause>i don't like red lights
08:10<Eddi|zuHause>they tend to block my path
08:10<keyweed_>in amsterdam they also have a more positive function
08:10<@Celestar>keyweed_: where are four lights?
08:10<TrueBrain>like longer travel times?
08:10<@Celestar>Eddi|zuHause: only if you care about them :P
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08:10<Eddi|zuHause>you can enjoy the road more :p
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08:11<keyweed_>Celestar: http://stng.36el.com/st-tng/episodes/237.html ctrl+f lights
08:11<keyweed_>Celestar: i assume they see the number of lights they want to see, and not the 380 errors
08:12<TrueBrain>yuo got to be kidding me ...
08:12<dih>i think he's trying to kidd all of us
08:12<@Celestar>TrueBrain: ?
08:13<keyweed_>who, me?
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08:13<@Celestar>I dunno who you :P
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08:14<keyweed_>well. i me.
08:14<TrueBrain>Celestar: that a person really quotes something from TNG ... sick :p
08:14<keyweed_>i could find you a relevant bible quote if you prefer that.
08:14<Eddi|zuHause>i find it even more sick that he quotes such a generic phrase, and then expects everybody to get the reference
08:14<TrueBrain>you are full of yourself ;) ('i me' :p)
08:15<@Celestar>TrueBrain: facinating
08:15<TrueBrain>jus tkidding keyweed_ :)
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08:15<TrueBrain>Celestar: you think? :)
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08:15<@Celestar>certainly
08:15<TrueBrain>what is facinating, that I still haven't solved a NoAI problem .. and still no clue how :(
08:16<keyweed_>wish i could help, but i doubt that.
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08:18<@Celestar>*grabs club and goes to supercomputer operator*
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08:19<TrueBrain>good luck Celestar
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08:26<+glx>TrueBrain: what problem?
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08:28<TrueBrain>glx: non-native class registering and deligation
08:28<TrueBrain>so basicly: instantiating AIList in a correct way
08:28<TrueBrain>all my attempts so far segfault
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09:00*petern ponders sneakily replacing apache with lighttpd...
09:01<TrueBrain>petern: please do ;)
09:01<SpComb>as long as I don't have to configure it
09:02<SpComb>or rather, try and figure out why the configuration doesn't work as intended
09:02<TrueBrain>I rather configure lighttpd over apache any day ...
09:03<TrueBrain>then you are either stupid, or forgot to read the manual
09:07<@petern>TrueBrain, I've done something sick :(
09:07<@petern>Linked up lighttpd with a fastcgi provider.
09:07<TrueBrain>petern: like? :)
09:07<@petern>fastcgi-mono-server :o
09:08<@petern>On the other hand, ASP.NET is way nicer than something like PHP...
09:08<TrueBrain>lol .. now that is sick, yes :)
09:08<TrueBrain>btw, if you want to use fastcgi or proxy, I suggest using lighttpd 1.5 .. much better handling for that :)
09:08<TrueBrain>(also allows WSGI in a correct way ;))
09:09<TrueBrain>but why you want .NET support?
09:09<@petern>Yeah, but lenny does not have that.
09:09<TrueBrain>really?! :P
09:09<TrueBrain>they are both sick ;)
09:09<TrueBrain>ASP for his: on error resume next; statement :p
09:09<@petern>ASP.NET is totally different to ASP.
09:09<TrueBrain>why not Python? or ruby? Or java?
09:10<@petern>Because I don't know python, ruby or java.
09:10<TrueBrain>learn them! :)
09:10<TrueBrain>Python is worth your while, in my opinion
09:10<@petern>I'm not in a learning environment ;)
09:10<TrueBrain>but okay, .NET is not that bad (just it is Microsoft :))
09:10<TrueBrain>and mono has .NET2.0 supoprt nowedays, so ..
09:11<TrueBrain>fair enough :)
09:11<TrueBrain>but I wouldn't have guessed that would work .. ASP.NET via mono via lighttpd ... sick :)
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09:15<+glx><TrueBrain> ASP for his: on error resume next; statement :p <-- using VB is silly ;)
09:15<@petern>I suspect VB .NET does not allow 'on error resume next'
09:15<@petern>I've not tested it though.
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09:15<@petern>(I do use C# though, heh)
09:16<TrueBrain>it is not allowed in general anymore
09:16<TrueBrain>it was an old 'bug' with which you could hang any IIS
09:16<@petern>Indeed.
09:16<TrueBrain>on error resume next; 1 / 0;
09:16<TrueBrain>was very funny
09:16<@Celestar>stock markets are doing the yo-yo again today ...
09:16<@petern>Well, you can do that with any loop in asp...
09:16<@petern>while true...
09:16<TrueBrain>Celestar: AEX below 300 points ... that we would see that day :(
09:17<+glx>Celestar: of course they reduced the rates by 0.5
09:17<TrueBrain>petern: problem was that the process was not terminated
09:17<TrueBrain>normally it should after N msecs
09:17<@petern>*nod*
09:17<@petern>We have Windows shared hosting environments :P
09:17<@Celestar>glx: yes. XDax went up 300 points after that, lost 250 of them again today.
09:17<@Celestar>s/today/later
09:17<@Celestar>after losing another 450 this morning
09:17<@petern>asp tends to get its own app pool, hehe
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09:18<+glx>CAC40 did something similar
09:18*Celestar can't remember that flucuations of 5%+ were common earlier
09:18<TrueBrain>windows and shared hosting .. that those words combine ;)
09:18<TrueBrain>enough MS ranting :p
09:18<@Belugas>DaleStan: production_level and production_rate are linked together during the callbacks? I though they were separate values
09:18<TrueBrain>they all went crazy like that .. well, lets just hope I don't have to go out and buy food for the next 3 months or so :p
09:18<@petern>TrueBrain, i don't like to touch them ;)
09:18<@Belugas>hello guys, by the way
09:19<@petern>Hmm, getting a lot of NUA timeouts today :(
09:19<@Celestar>maybe I should get myself a mortgage
09:19<@Celestar>:P
09:19<@Belugas>i cold give you mine, it's almost finished ;)
09:20<@Belugas>-cold+could
09:20<@petern>Belugas, want to swap with mine?
09:20<@Celestar>Belugas: I first need something to buy :P
09:21*petern only has 23 years left of his...
09:21<Sacro>life/
09:21<Sacro>?
09:21<@Belugas>petern, no thanks, i've given my share already :D
09:22<@Belugas>Celestar: maybe a PLANE ? hahaha!
09:22<@Celestar>heh... Sarkozy is angry at Merkel ...
09:22<@Celestar>what a pity :S
09:23<Eddi|zuHause>isn't always someone angry at someone?
09:23<@Celestar>yeah
09:23<Eddi|zuHause>it's politics, after all :p
09:23<@Celestar>it's not Merkel's job to make Sarkozy happy
09:23<+glx>Sarkozy is always angry
09:24<@Celestar>it's good that she understands that she's to care about Germany.
09:24<@Celestar>and not about the financial problems of other states
09:24<Eddi|zuHause>if she even would do that appropriately...
09:25<Eddi|zuHause>i have a feeling that nothing happened in the last few years, except significantly limiting rights
09:25<@Celestar>well
09:25<@Celestar>that's a big part of what happened :P
09:25<@Celestar>oh yes and we'll get a communistic health insurance in 2009.
09:26<Eddi|zuHause>and an increased payment to make up for the corruption and mismanagement
09:26<@Celestar>well, I'll be outta that system in 2009.
09:27<@Celestar>er 2010.
09:28<Eddi|zuHause>i was thinking about searching a job in the USA, but i'm not sure if that's so good an idea either...
09:28<@Celestar>Eddi|zuHause: you just need to earn enough money to be outta the GKV
09:30<@Celestar>so more than 48150 EUR net
09:30<@Celestar>er .. gross
09:32<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not in a position to negotiate that kind of salary (yet)
09:34<@Celestar>if the socialists gain any more power in this country and the EU, I'm moving to Switzerland possibly
09:36<Eddi|zuHause>the Left party only fills the position that the SPD left unoccupied when moving to the "new middle" [i.e. right]
09:37<Eddi|zuHause>when the difference between the two big parties becomes negligible, the people are going to vote for the more extreme smaller parties
09:37<@Celestar>the SPD is already pretty far left
09:37<@Celestar>even the CDU/CSU is off-center (towards the left)
09:37<@Rubidium>what is left and what is right?
09:37<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, because they had to turn around as they realized they were attacked from the other side
09:37<@Rubidium>or rather, what is center?
09:38<@Celestar>center is in the middle between right and left :P
09:38<@Celestar>no socialists, no nazis, simply speaking ...
09:39<keyweed_>if the right wing christians win the next elections here i'll move to china
09:39<@Celestar>"right wing christians"
09:40<@Celestar>?
09:40<keyweed_>in dutch context: CDA (christian democratic apel), CU ( Christian Union)
09:40<keyweed_>in american context: Republican
09:41<Eddi|zuHause>just look at the last election, the PDS traditionally had around 5%, mostly in east germany due to historical reasons, then this group of SPD refugees comes along, and gets another 5%, in all of germany. that was clearly a turning point for the SPD
09:41<@Rubidium>keyweed_: rather Democrats
09:41<keyweed_>everything fun gets banned, everything useful gets privatised and unafordable, our soliders are fighting america's wars.
09:41<@Rubidium>US Democrats are more right than the CDA/CU
09:41<Gekz>It's true.
09:41<keyweed_>aggreed
09:41<Gekz>All the stereotypes about Holland prove this
09:41<Gekz>with the sex in parks
09:42<Gekz>and marijuana usage
09:42*Celestar _still_ wonders how
09:42<keyweed_>what sex in parks?
09:42<Gekz>haha
09:42<keyweed_>i should visit parks more...
09:42*Celestar _still_ wonders how Obama or McCain which to continue the Space Program.
09:42<Gekz>there's sex parks.
09:42<Gekz>you weren't aware of this>
09:42<keyweed_>yeah. there's also marijauna dealers in new york
09:42<Gekz>there were an outcry about dogs off leashes annoying people having sex in bushes
09:42<Gekz>the result: dogs must be on leash in sex park
09:42<keyweed_>Gekz: never been to one.
09:42<Eddi|zuHause>wtf?
09:43<Gekz>ftw?
09:43<keyweed_>as far as i know sex in public isn't allowed.
09:43<ln>for animals it is.
09:43<Gekz>"ASX has one of its worst days yet, losing $56bn as financial crisis hits."
09:43<keyweed_>ln: not for mooses in canada
09:43<Gekz>my dollar just got made worth less.
09:43<Eddi|zuHause>not if only one participant is an animal
09:44<keyweed_>Gekz: my euro will be following shortly
09:44<Gekz>OH FUCK
09:44<Gekz>1 AUD = 0.67 USD
09:44<@Rubidium>luckily (O)TTD(P)s exchange rates are more constant
09:44<keyweed_>true.
09:44<Gekz>I'm going to kill someone.
09:44<keyweed_>they should use the OTTD engine to drive the world economy
09:44<planetmaker>kill your shadow :P
09:46<Gekz>"FOOD authorities investigating reports Chinese vegetables sold in Australia could be contaminated with the chemical melamine."
09:46<Gekz>Oh dear god.
09:47<+glx>I though only milk was dangerous
09:48<@Celestar>so much for moving to china :P
09:48<keyweed_>damn
09:48<@Rubidium>glx: there was fish with dioxine a few months ago too
09:49<@Rubidium>also from China
09:49<keyweed_>*sigh* where does a free socialist utopist move to these days :(
09:50<keyweed_>hm. perhaps the usa after in a couple of years...
09:50<@Rubidium>and don't forget rice contamindated withh pesticides and mold toxins
09:50<+glx>there's also chairs with antifungal from China
09:50<@Celestar>#45: Profit has limits. Loss has none.
09:50<Gekz>China is tryng to kill everyone
09:51<Gekz>it's pretty clear.
09:51<dih>Gekz likes talking nonesense - it's pretty clear
09:51<keyweed_>but guess it's only fair. westerners are dying from coca cola and macdonalds. the chinese should try to keep up
09:51<@Celestar>the Ferenghi know that. Human bank managers obviously don't.
09:51<Gekz>it's not nonsense
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09:52<fjb>Hello
09:52<Gekz>keyweed_: :D
09:52<keyweed_>there is a limit to loss.
09:52<keyweed_>the last thing to loose is you life/freedom.
09:52<keyweed_>slavery wasn't abolished that long ago, we could still go back
09:52<Gekz>you'd be my first slave.
09:52<Gekz>:D
09:53<keyweed_>propably better that then homeless....
09:53<keyweed_>or not?
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09:54<keyweed_>ah blah. this cilisation thing is getting to complicated. i'm heading back to ancient egypt.
09:54<keyweed_>*civilisation
09:54<Gekz>I'm a nice slave driver
09:54<Gekz>I'd just ask that you feed me a few times a day
09:54<Gekz>and then you can go on the computer the rest
09:54<@Celestar>just type "civ" and it's no longer complicated, keyweed_ :)
09:54<keyweed_>hmz. that soudns better then my current job.
09:55<keyweed_>Celestar: indeed. deploying a carrier task force against spearmen is a sure win.
09:56<keyweed_>hmz. erhm.z *cough* iraq.
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09:59<Gekz>"Fuck! That spearman had a 1% to defeat my tank. WHY DID IT WIN?"
10:01<keyweed_>the spearman (elite, fortified, on a mountain top, defending a narrow strip of land between to oceans) had a lucky day. and if he hadn't. there's a milion more spearmen behind him.
10:02<SpComb>spearmen and tanks reminds me of Empire Earth multiplayer games
10:02<SpComb>although it's even better with, like, horses and nuclear bombers
10:03<Gekz>lol
10:03<SpComb>or riflemen and cybers
10:04<SpComb>it's not a good idea to play prehistoric-digital age multiplayer games
10:05<keyweed_>well. a chinese guy proved that a single unarmed guy can stop a column of tanks.
10:05<keyweed_>(requires media coverage +1)
10:06<SpComb>yes, good idea, let's get a bunch of civilians and have them run around on the battlefield
10:06<SpComb>the enemy can't do anything
10:07<keyweed_>sadam used that in the first gulf war.
10:07<keyweed_>worked for a short time
10:07<Gekz>saddam*
10:08*keyweed_ stands corrected
10:08<Gekz>sit.
10:08<Gekz>slave.
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10:08<Doorslammer>Sodhim
10:08<keyweed_>heh. if you want to own me, you should pay my debts
10:09<Doorslammer>Hahaa, owned!
10:09<Gekz>I can't
10:09<Gekz>we're all floating on credit
10:09<Doorslammer>Im sitting on my chair
10:09<Gekz>I dont think there's enough money actually printed to pay off the debs
10:09<Gekz>debts*
10:09*Doorslammer checks wallet
10:09<Doorslammer>Ummmm...
10:09<Doorslammer>...
10:10<Doorslammer>No
10:10<Doorslammer>Me neither
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10:12<Gekz>my mother's friend
10:12<Gekz>just found 8 pennies
10:12<Gekz>1937 Australian pennies
10:12<Gekz>single sided.
10:13<Gekz>WORTH $115,000 EACH
10:13<Gekz>I shat bricks
10:13<Gekz>just looks in the cupboard one day, and gets rich
10:13<Gekz>:<
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10:16<Eddi|zuHause><Celestar> just type "civ" and it's no longer complicated, keyweed_ :) <- damn you, i had to type "civ", and now i have to play it
10:16<Eddi|zuHause>i'm never going to finish my diploma thesis at this rate
10:17<Eddi|zuHause>the professor is going to throw fits when he next sees me...
10:17<Gekz>haah
10:17<Eddi|zuHause>the last meeting was like: "hey, you are working now 2 months, but what i see here is a job of 2 weeks!"
10:21<@Celestar>Eddi|zuHause: heh.
10:21<@Celestar>Eddi|zuHause: I know that problem.
10:22<@Celestar>but when I last met my prof he was: "We're actually on schedule" :P
10:22<@Celestar>hang on.
10:22<@Celestar>you're writing your diploma thesis and you met your PROFESSOR?
10:23<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, we're a small institute ;)
10:23<Gekz>2 people
10:23<Gekz>him and his black market.
10:24<@Celestar>Eddi|zuHause: I meet my professor once every threee months about :P
10:24<@Celestar>and I'm a grad student
10:24<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, around that ;)
10:25<@Celestar>Eddi|zuHause: what are you majoring in?
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10:26<Eddi|zuHause>computer science, concentrating on compilers and languages
10:27<Eddi|zuHause>which is an interesting and sufficently complicated field, but i'm not getting to the good parts
10:27<@Celestar>like .. playing ottd?
10:32<ln>in our department people occasionally have a professor as instructor for their _bachelor_ thesis.
10:32<@Celestar>:)
10:33<keyweed_>most people in our department failed their studies
10:33<keyweed_>including me
10:33<Eddi|zuHause>no, like the parts where you actually get to test complex and scientifically relevant code analysis concepts
10:33<Eddi|zuHause>instead of boring programming jobs
10:34<Eddi|zuHause>but people keep on coming and saying: "provide an interface in form of a webservice"
10:34<Eddi|zuHause>and i know shit about web anything...
10:34<keyweed_>hmz. i failed pharmacy and now i have a boring programming job.
10:34<Eddi|zuHause>or: "make it run on system XYZ"
10:35<ln>or: "make it run as newgrf"
10:35<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not going to fail... getting a 4.0 is trivially easy... but i don't want a 4.0
10:36<Eddi|zuHause>but the longer i take for the basic programming stuff, the less time i get to spend on the scientific part, which makes it hard to get good grades
10:36<Eddi|zuHause>(1.0 is the best grade, 4.0 means hardly passed, 5.0 is failed)
10:37<Eddi|zuHause>(within the interval [1, 4], grades can be modified by +0.3 or -0.3)
10:38<ln>interesting, we nowadays have scale 1..5, where 1 is the worst (but passed), and 5 is the best.
10:40<ln>earlier the scale was: 1, 1+, 1½, 2-, 2, 2+, 2½, 3-, 3.
10:42<TrueBrain>so there, finished Saint Row 2 ..
10:42<TrueBrain>about time :p
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11:36<DaleStan>Belugas: According to Csaba, TTD tries to maintain "prodrate=(default_prodrate*prodmultiplier)/0x10". And when the production callback is not present, I think the production of an organic/extractive industry is controlled by the rate(s), not by the level -- making the inc and dec returns functionally nops.
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11:40<frosch123>DaleStan: IIRC the same for ottd, except with "Automatic production multiplier handing"
11:40<DaleStan>If it's actually controlled by the level, then that's not an issue after all.
11:41<DaleStan>But when CB29/35 returns 0D or 0E, the rate is modified but the levels are not. So I can halve from 08 to 04 and increment four times, returning the rate to 08, but leaving the levels halved.
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11:42<frosch123>yup, AFAIK 0D and 0E only has an effect when the production callback is used and with "Automatic production multiplier handing"
11:42<frosch123>*have
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12:51<welshdragon>any openttd devs around? 0.6.3 keeps 'hanging
12:53<@Belugas>hanging? Remove the rope
12:53<welshdragon>haha
12:54<@Belugas>personnaly, i don't know what you are talking about
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12:55<@SmatZ>welshdragon: worksforme
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12:55<@SmatZ>oh noes a batti5
12:57<batti5>oh noes a batti5, wath do you mean with this?
12:58<@SmatZ>I wouldn't expect you here :)
12:58<@SmatZ>and I noticed you are changing your nick for no apparent reason
12:59<@SmatZ>I guess you were testing your alternate nicks in Konversation :-P
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12:59<@SmatZ>maybe used a mouse wheel after clicking at that dropdown
12:59<@SmatZ>hehehe :)
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13:00<@SmatZ>:-P
13:00<batti5>sorry abot that, i just clickt in the wrong place, in Koversation Program, an a newuser to it.
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13:00<@SmatZ>good :)
13:00<frosch_>stupid, why does it forget that I am me...
13:03<batti5>dose any body know why the nightlys of openttd are only are avalabile for debian lenny?
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13:09<@Belugas>dunno
13:09<+glx>there are also debian etch builds
13:11<+glx>http://www.openttd.org/download-trunk <-- this page only shows the version available for your system
13:12<+glx>but the dropdowns allow you to select another one
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13:13<Wolf01>hello
13:14<welshdragon>evening Wolf01
13:16<Wolf01>hi :)
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13:20<@petern>does, anybody, nightlies, available
13:23<Wolf01>what?
13:23<Eddi|zuHause>petern: it's a hopeless case, i'm afraid ;)
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13:24<@petern>Quite probably, however, I'll go back a line.
13:24<@petern>about, clicked... and whatever that was supposed to be, heh...
13:26<Eddi|zuHause>hm... how many presidential debates do these guys have?
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14:17<TrueBrain>trompiedompomlalasjoepdiedampiedom
14:22<welshdragon>the amount of joins/parts in this channel's crazy
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14:23*Prof_Frink splits welshdragon's net
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14:23<welshdragon>well done Professor
14:24<TrueBrain>welshdragon: no, the amount of talking and joins/laves is crazy
14:24<@petern>lalala
14:24<TrueBrain>pompiedom
14:24*welshdragon farts
14:25<TrueBrain>welshdragon: this is _not_ that kind of channel .. take that to #tycoon or what ever
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14:25<TrueBrain>hi Sacro
14:25<Sacro>hi TrueBrain
14:26<Chrill>hi Sacro
14:26<@SmatZ>hi TrueBrain
14:26<Sacro>hi Chrill
14:26<Chrill>Sacro, can you poke Brianetta
14:26<Sacro>Chrill: why?
14:26<Chrill>he's supposedly going to run the server with my scenario!
14:27<TrueBrain>hi SmatZ :)
14:27<Sacro>he did already didn't he?
14:27<Chrill>he hasn't, no
14:27<Sacro>i'm sure he did
14:27<Chrill>he was to but you threw up the current one
14:27<Sacro>game before last
14:27<Sacro>D:
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14:27<Chrill>he did but removed it, for I failed
14:27<Sacro>:(
14:27<Chrill>now I have removed the failure :P
14:27<Sacro>well why does h have to do it?
14:27<@petern>you failed!
14:27<Chrill>cus you don't have the sce.. Sacro, i could send it to you, yes? :P
14:28<Sacro>Chrill: oh, hang on, getting dragged shopping
14:28<Chrill>shopping!?
14:28*Sacro glares at qu...
14:28<Sacro>gah he isn't on irc
14:28<Chrill>at who!?
14:28<welshdragon>Sacro, shopping? where?
14:28<Sacro>ah yes, he is on #tycoon - Quaver
14:28<@Bjarni>Sacro goes shopping?
14:28<Chrill>Sacro is buying CDs
14:28*welshdragon has no money though
14:28<Chrill>for he's a legit man
14:29<Sacro>he's goign to get chili powder it seems
14:29<welshdragon>Sacro, from tesco?
14:29<Chrill>CD = CP = Chili Powder
14:29*welshdragon needs food for his journey tomorrow
14:30*SmatZ doesn't want Captain Pickard here
14:30<Sacro>welshdragon: sainsburys afaik
14:30<Chrill>I've heard of that, Sacro
14:30<Chrill>does that make me win?
14:30<welshdragon>i'll hang there and stalk you
14:30<welshdragon>although would much rather go to tesco
14:30<welshdragon>but meh
14:30<Sacro>Chrill: no
14:32<Chrill>ugh
14:32<Chrill>betcha you ain't heard of NK :O
14:32<TrueBrain>hmm .. nice, a new computer, but I miss tons of files .. like the original ttd graphics .. hmm ..
14:32<Chrill>NK ain't H&M, nor IKEA. How shiny eh?
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14:37<Brianetta>so Chrill
14:37<Chrill>oh there he is!
14:37<Brianetta>The most recent version of the scenario that I have is the most recent one for me?
14:37<Chrill>It should be, if it is sent after the previous try
14:37<Chrill>I have even added a new island for tycooners to enjoy
14:37<Brianetta>ok
14:38<@Belugas>hooo... soo fucking NOT NICE! "so you JUST need to link to our .NET DLL"
14:38<@Belugas>yeah
14:38<@Belugas>right
14:38<@Belugas>in DElphi :S
14:38<@Belugas>ASSHOLE!!!
14:38<Chrill>I agree, Belugas
14:38*TrueBrain gives Belugas a cup of coffee
14:39*|Jeroen| poors some rum in the coffee
14:39<welshdragon>|Jeroen|, pour
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14:43<@Belugas>now THAT is a good idea!!!
14:43<Ward>hi
14:44<Ward>I was wonder about something, when you build a station to pick up goods from an industry, does the area catchment have to cover the entire industry building to get all the goods?
14:45<welshdragon>i don't think so
14:46<welshdragon>so long as your station shows it accepts the cargo, then it'll work
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14:54<Ward>alright, thanks
14:56<@Bjarni>oh man... that's cruel
14:56<@Bjarni>I just detected a dead pixel on my screen
14:56<@Bjarni>turned out that the web page contained a dead pixel
14:57<@SmatZ>hehe
14:57<@Bjarni>who codes a dead pixel for a web page?
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14:58<@Bjarni>reloading the page made it go away
14:58<@Bjarni>looks like it was just a nasty artefact >_<
14:59<ln>buggy mac
14:59<@Bjarni>if anything then it's buggy firefox
15:00<@SmatZ>or buggy mac
15:00<@Belugas>buggy mac , i'd say too
15:00<@Belugas>of dust in your glasses!
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15:01<@Rubidium>or Bjarni using the zoom complete website feature of Firefox
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15:21<Muxy>Hello here (Salut les clés de 12")
15:22<Muxy>i've made some update on 2 source files, and i'd like to know how to put them back
15:23<@Belugas>svn revert src\file.c
15:24<Muxy>I use Kdevelop, i found the subversion popup menu, and try commit to repository, but i get an error
15:24<TrueBrain>Belugas: I think he wants to send us the changes he made
15:24<@Belugas>"try commit" ??
15:24<TrueBrain>Muxy: our repository is not a free-for-all, so of course commit gives an error :)
15:24<@Belugas>TrueBrain, could be...
15:25<Muxy>yes, that a good reason.
15:25<TrueBrain>:)
15:26<Muxy>so if i want to make (propose) some changes, how can i do that ?
15:26<TrueBrain>Muxy: most people post their patch either on bugs.openttd.org, or on the forum
15:26<Muxy>(sory for the rainbow writing... dont know how to change)
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15:28<Muxy>Is there some reading who explain how to make patches or code change proposal.
15:28<+glx>no rainbow here (we have +c)
15:29<+glx>just do "svn diff"
15:30<TrueBrain>Muxy: well, besides the obvious (patches you create with svn), there is not really a guideline or what ever
15:30<TrueBrain>just read the forums and the patches on bugs.openttd.org to get an idea how people try to reach the developers
15:31<Muxy>yeap, yeap, sounds like a wonderfull adventure...
15:31<Muxy>Ok for svn diff, but where does my changes goes ?
15:32<+glx>in a file :)
15:33<Muxy>yeap in a file, but where ?
15:33<TrueBrain>how ever you call that file
15:35<@Belugas>example, in win command prompt -> "svn diff src/openttd.cpp > mychange.diff"
15:35<TrueBrain>or via TortoiseSVN it is much easier
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15:38<Muxy>Ok, because with svn diff i get some "bazar" on my screen, so i have to redirect this into a diff file
15:38<+glx>yes (that part was obvious ;) )
15:38<Muxy>and i have to send this diff file somewhere else...
15:38<TrueBrain>you can try keeping the file on your disk, but I Don't think we will be able to read that (still the obvious part ;))
15:39<+glx>bugs.openttd.org is the prefered place
15:40<Muxy>ok, i will paste this file in the irc chat window, it will make a beautifull colored rainbow...
15:40<+glx>no way
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15:40<TrueBrain>Muxy: you can try; you will be banned. I hate repeating myself, so I suggest reading what both glx and I trying to tell you
15:40<@Belugas>nice way to be kicked , in monochrome :)
15:41<@petern>There'll be a /kb race...
15:42<Eddi|zuHause>i win!
15:42<Muxy>yeap sir, understood, i will send it to the bugs.openttd.org as mentioned.
15:43<TrueBrain>glad you can read :)
15:47<@Belugas>jsut out of curiosity, what does that patch do?
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15:48<Jarod>hello
15:49<Muxy>as i said in the forum, it's not a game patch but it concern message logging when using the dedicated mode. it just add date & time at the beg of the line
15:49<TrueBrain>hello Jarod
15:49<@petern>beginning?
15:50<Muxy>yes like this "20081008 hh:mm:ss
15:50<Jarod>I have a little question, I didn't find an answer on the website : how can i have bots in multiplayer without a dedicated server ? thanx for helping
15:51<TrueBrain>Jarod: you can do it with a dedicated server?
15:51<@petern>can you?
15:51<Jarod>i don't know lol, but in the options it says: allow ia in multiplayer
15:52<@petern>Multiplayer always has a server, whether its dedicated or not has no bearing on it.
15:52<TrueBrain>so why mention dedicated server ;)
15:52<+glx>works for newai only anyway
15:53<TrueBrain>Jarod: but if you have that Advanced option on, and you have New AI active, AIs will start depending on your difficulty setting
15:54<TrueBrain>the original AI cheats a bit too much :p
15:54<Jarod>i was thinking that the dedicated server had more advanced options than the classic server ^^
15:55<Jarod>so if i want ia in multiplayer i must activate the 2 options about IA ?
15:55<TrueBrain>Jarod: a dedicated server is a normal server, without the graphical output (and that is all)
15:55<TrueBrain>Jarod: it is AI,not IA
15:56<TrueBrain>and yes, as the options tell yout o
15:56<Jarod>but in this case, the IA will juste paly with trucks that's right ?
15:56<Jarod>yes AI, not IA escuse me , i'm french ;)
15:56<TrueBrain>yes
15:56<TrueBrain>what has your language to do with that?
15:57<+glx>IA is AI in french
15:57<TrueBrain>either way, if you want more advanced AIs in multiplayer, I suggest looking at NoAI, although that is pretty much work in progress
15:57<Eddi|zuHause>and it's KI in german
15:57<Jarod>in frech we say IA for Intelligence Artificielle, in place of Artificial Intelligence
15:57<TrueBrain>stupid french :(
15:57<TrueBrain>KI in dutch too Eddi|zuHause ;)
15:58<@Belugas>i'm fine, i'm from quebec ^_^
15:58<Eddi|zuHause>french is known for having all abbreviations backwards :p
15:58<Jarod>Belugas, really ? i'm coming to Quebec in April ^^
15:58<@Belugas>cool :)
15:58<+glx>there will be snow in April ;)
15:58<@Bjarni>Belugas: never tell your location to people on the internet
15:59<TrueBrain>glx: you promise? :p
15:59<@Belugas>i can garantee you there will be :)
15:59<@Bjarni>some UK guy did that on a gaming forum and somehow he really upsetted a German guy, so that German went to UK and killed the guy, who told his address online
15:59<TrueBrain>Bjarni: that only holds for you, as else we will come after you with clubs
16:00<@Bjarni>you have to be really screwed up if you go to another country with the single purpose to kill somebody who said something on a gaming forum (about a game) that you strongly disagrees with
16:01<@petern>Eddi|zuHause, yeah, like UTC :o
16:01<Jarod>well, i am not a killer, i promise ^^
16:01<TrueBrain>then I should be killed several times over :(
16:02<@Bjarni>Jarod: I think this German guy wasn't a killer until this incident :P
16:02<Jarod>i will take a look at noAI, thanks for the tip
16:02<@Bjarni>and it's kind of hard to prove that you will not do it some time in the future
16:02<TrueBrain>Yexo made a very nice AI which also builds rails nowedays
16:02<TrueBrain>looks good
16:02<@Bjarni>great
16:03<@Bjarni>the old AI can build rails, but it really sucks at doing so >_<
16:04<TrueBrain>Bjarni: please either follow the conversation, or shut the fuck up
16:05<Jarod>there will be snow in April in Montréal ? really ? damn, i was thinking it will be the spring
16:06<@Belugas>muwahahahahaha!!!
16:06*TrueBrain still considers visiting Belugas in April
16:06*TrueBrain loves snow
16:06<@Belugas>you zare velcome, alvays
16:07<Jarod>it was just because i havn't the good clothes for winter ^^ , i love snow too
16:07<TrueBrain>lol
16:07<TrueBrain>don't eat above your keyboard :p
16:07<@Belugas>.. or vorse...
16:07<TrueBrain>*** Good citizens of Earth, this is your last chance to escape ***
16:09<@Belugas>but let make it clear : i'll show you the direction of the places where you can fool around in the snow, but the hell if' i'll join you :P
16:10<TrueBrain>hahahahaha
16:10<Muxy>ok men, my work has been sent to the right place...
16:10<TrueBrain>I will just tell your son to snow you under :p
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16:15<TrueBrain>ghehe :)
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16:19<ln>they have Bruce on Heroes 3x01
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16:20<@Bjarni>ln: is Heroes about snow?
16:21<@petern>Willis?
16:22<ln>no, Boxleitner.
16:25<batti5>whare can i find a list of patches for ottd?
16:26<ln>in other words captain Sheridan of Babylon 5.
16:26<batti5>and to be able to download the to?
16:30<Wolf01>'night
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16:35<@Belugas>batti5, two places : bugs.openttd.org and forums, on dev section
16:36<@Belugas>but don't expect a list like... <This is all the patches ever to exist for Openttd>
16:36<@Belugas>and it's not "whare", it's "where"
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16:38<Jarod>you're welcome :D
16:38<@Bjarni>looks like he didn't like that answer
16:38<Eddi|zuHause>no, it's "whale"
16:39<@Belugas>lol
16:39<TrueBrain>a whale working on OpenTTD .. cool :)
16:40<@Belugas>well... "working"... big word :S
16:40<@Belugas>the whale would like to...
16:40-!-TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CE0D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
16:41<@Belugas>but that nasty "real life" (that I hate for so many reasons) is fucking things up for me
16:42<@Belugas>and the whale now waves goodbye with his tail
16:42<@Belugas>night
16:42<TrueBrain>good night Belugas
16:42<Jarod>good night Belugas
16:43<TrueBrain>(still I wonder how he was thinking that we meant him with 'whale' ...)
16:44<Jarod>i was thinking to "whore" but after he takes "whale" for him, i didn't say anything ^^
16:44<@Bjarni>if whale referred to a person, I would presume it to be José Luis Garza
16:45<@Bjarni>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4906188.ece
16:45<@Bjarni>I really hope nobody in here is that big :s
16:45<Jarod>omg
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17:12<Jarod>good night everybody, thanks for the help
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17:13<TrueBrain>night Jarod
17:15<TrueBrain>@base 16 10 7f7f
17:15<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 32639
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