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---Logopened Sat Oct 18 00:00:06 2008
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02:24<@Celestar>\o
02:25<@Celestar>petern: would it be possible for you to do a "merge from trunk" in cargodest? I won't have any time till mid-November and I shudder to think about merging 6 weeks worth of commits then (=
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02:58<Wolf01>hello
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04:26<Rexxie>what does "prospecting" mean for the manual primary industries construction method mean?
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04:29<Alberth>afaik, when you place a new primary industry, the industry may fail to produce its ore or coal (since it is not available in the ground there)
04:30<Alberth>did not experiment a lot with it though
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04:48<Eddi|zuHause>it means you cannot choose where to build the industry, and it might not place an industry at all
04:50<Alberth>Eddi|zuHause: tnx for helping
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05:18<@Rubidium>anyone in here playing OpenTTD on a 64 bits version of Windows?
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05:42<SpComb>hmm, people playing OpenTTD on their TVs
05:42<SpComb>how silly
05:44<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, and then complaining that the fonts are too small on their 150" screen on 800x600
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05:44<Sacro>we have 24" @ 1920x1280
05:45*Sacro needs to hook up a pc
05:46<Eddi|zuHause>15:10? that's a strange ratio...
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05:53<Alberth>In the 3d world, are tiles 16 units wide and long? (and do constants exist for these numbers?)
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05:55<Eddi|zuHause>TILE_LENGTH and TILE_HEIGHT?
05:57<Eddi|zuHause>look in src/tile_type.h
05:57<Eddi|zuHause>TILE_SIZE it is
05:57*Alberth note to self: don't mess with taskbar settings while having 15+ windows open
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05:58<Gekz>Alberth: why
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05:59<Alberth>everything gets very small and non-clickable with 2 task managers running
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06:03<Alberth>Eddi|zuHause: tnx
06:03<Eddi|zuHause>hm... my planes are totally overcrowded, and i cannot afford a zeppelin
06:04<Gekz>burn them all
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06:11<Eddi|zuHause>the forum is missing a marker for threads that you posted in...
06:12<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause: black spot
06:12<Sacro>top left corner
06:13<@Bjarni>did Sacro give Eddi|zuHause the black spot?
06:13*Sacro gives Bjarni a kiss (of death)
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06:13<Sacro>:(
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06:13<@Bjarni>with a nuclear missile
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06:15<Eddi|zuHause>err... i searched for that dot everywhere... i swear it wasn't there before...
06:17<Sacro>... fail
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06:38<Chrill>Sacro: Michael wants to see a standard server restard
06:38<Chrill>uh
06:39<Chrill>restart
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06:49<Chrill>Sacroooo?
06:49<Sacro>D:
06:49<Chrill>standard brianetta restart, it's in 2070, says michael
06:50<Sacro>oooh err missus
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07:29<frosch123>stupid coopers
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09:14<CIA-1>OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14483 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2340]: On reaching a waypoint a train could falsely be reported as lost when doing the look ahead for a path.
09:15<CIA-1>OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14482 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp:
09:15<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Codechange: Use a class for saving the current train order when extending the reserved path beyond the current destination during pathfinding.
09:15<CIA-1>OpenTTD: The class' destructor will make sure that the order is restored on function exit in all cases.
09:15<frosch123>hehe, CIA cannot cope with that :)
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09:42<vvv444>Hi all, a really stupid question: I never played multiplayer before, so I tried connecting as a spectator to some servers. One time I got kicked off. Other two I got a disconnect in a about a minute for unknown reasons. Anyone who can enlighten me on this subject
09:42<vvv444>?
09:43<planetmaker>maybe connection lost or desync
09:43<dih>vvv444, connection lost is none of the servers fault
09:43<dih>most of the time at least
09:44<dih>has to do with your connection
09:44<vvv444>Hmm, twice? Any logs where I can check it? Ah, maybe I should run the game with debug info enabled?
09:44<dih>if you are on a wireless that is a known weakpoint
09:44<vvv444>Oh, stupid me... Of course.
09:44<Eddi|zuHause>shut down your filesharing program :p
09:44<dih>vvv444: the game is not responsible for loging your internet connection stability
09:44<planetmaker>vvv444: usually it should tell you. But if you start from command propmpt you'll know in the log output (don't know how it works with windows)
09:46<vvv444>dih: Of course it isn't, but at least it should log the disconnect reason (timeout probably)
09:47<vvv444>Ok, thanks, I'll check this issue. Probably just switch to wire :)
09:47<dih>vvv444, a game does not have to log your disconnect reason
09:47<dih>no game will do that
09:47<dih>it's either connection is there or is not
09:47<dih>for whatever reason
09:47<dih>does not matter
09:48<dih>it's YOUR job to find out why
09:48<dih>if it's a desync of the game, or you got kicked from the server, then that is something the game will tell you
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09:49<planetmaker>so basically: if the game knows the reason: it will tell you :)
09:49<dih>aye
09:50<vvv444>Ic, although "connection problem" is also a reason isn't it?
09:50<planetmaker>vvv: but that's hard to detect as game.
09:51<dih>vvv444, it already sais that "connection lost" <- there is your reason
09:51<vvv444>Why? There is some part of code that decides that it stops the play, right? (I'm not gonna dig the src now). At this point it should just show the message.
09:52<planetmaker>and it does :) - except the server completely fails to communicate - then it IIRC just ends the game.
09:52<dih>vvv444 the game is simply not responsible for debuging your network at home
09:53<dih>"oi user! your router is mucking up - restart and then come back to play some more openttd"
09:53<vvv444>planetmaker: Just was surprised that there is no "communication lost" message.
09:53<dih>"hey typist... your isp has a peering issue, sorry there is nothing i can do at the moment you will have to wait until your isp has fixed the problem which may take a few hours"
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09:54<dih>vvv444, substitute connection for cummunication and you are fine
09:55<vvv444>dih: Yeah, that exactly what I would expect. Just showing the main menu without any message isn't very user friendly.
09:55<vvv444>In fact it arises too many questions as in my case :)
09:56<dih>error messages are only displayed for a certain amount of time
09:56<dih>if you happen to glare at the ceiling for too long when it happens, sorry
09:57<vvv444>LOL, there was no any error message at my case, at least not a noticable one. Trust me I was looking in the screen.
09:57<dih>and you can always check the console if any messages are displayed there (key below esc.)
09:57<vvv444>I know, none there also
09:57<dih>what a shame
09:58<dih>then you will simply have to try again until you get an error message :-P
09:58<vvv444>That's ok, I'll check it and propose a patch if I find something that seems more right.
09:59<dih>you'll propose a patch or try to tell the developers to patch what you expect to be in the code?
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10:01<vvv444>I mean debuged code that can be commited of course.
10:03<dih>try starting openttd with -d net=6
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10:03<vvv444>Yeah I already figured that, tnx
10:03<dih>and then manage to lose your connection again
10:04<dih>are you on a wireless connection?
10:04<vvv444>I am, but I'll gonna switch to wire as soon as I finish debugging the issue.
10:05<vvv444>And I don't think loosing the connection will be difficult given it happened several times in a row.
10:05<dih>it's not unkown
10:06<dih>so try it with a wired connection, and if it happens there you can start debuging
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10:24<yorick>the vcs appears to be down, it just turns up an empty page
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12:21<Aali>huh
12:21<Aali>this is odd
12:22<Aali>i can't get ottd to build from my mercurial repo
12:22<Aali>determineversion.vbs fails, complaining about a call to "Mid"
12:24<Aali>line: 47, char: 5
12:24<Aali>Invalid procedure call or argument: 'Mid'
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12:38<Aali>oh, right, its looking for the SVN revision in the log, which doesn't work since mq added a new log entry
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12:50<Eddi|zuHause>what is mq?
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12:50<Aali>mercurial queues
12:50<Aali>but that wasn't the issue either
12:51<Aali>i pulled the svn repo into an already existing hg repo instead of just cloning it
12:51<Aali>and that messed things up
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12:54<Eddi|zuHause>hm. i can't place a tram stop on a slope :(
12:55<ln>yes, that is sad
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13:06<ln>is there reason to fear the TTD AI will become sentient and fight humans?
13:07<Sacro|Laptop>Yes
13:07<Sacro|Laptop>but you should also fear Eddi|zuHause becoming sentient
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13:10<ln>even Sacro's laptop is sentient these days.
13:11<Sacro>lol
13:11<Sacro>nah
13:11<Sacro>fixing xorg
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13:21<CIA-2>OpenTTD: frosch * r14487 /trunk/src/newgrf_station.cpp: -Fix: The station picker preview did not draw child sprites.
13:22<CIA-2>OpenTTD: frosch * r14488 /trunk/src/ (4 files):
13:22<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Fix: Synchronize drawing of spritelayouts in DrawTileLayout (Houses), IndustryDrawTileLayout, DrawStationTile, DrawTile_Station and DrawTile_Track (Waypoint).
13:22<CIA-2>OpenTTD: Now transparency options, PALETTE_MODIFIER_TRANSPARENT and SPRITE_MODIFIER_OPAQUE should work for all of them.
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13:33<planetmaker>hi, is there a way to obtain the order industries are stored in the industry list (I guess such thing exists)
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13:34<frosch123>what? do you mean the sorting order the player selected?
13:34<planetmaker>no, the internal storage order when the binary looks for an industry
13:35<frosch123>the order in the industry pool?
13:35<planetmaker>point is: in our current public server game, using pbi, and thus stock piling, we have industries receiving cargo which have no station near them whatsoever.
13:35<planetmaker>yes, that order
13:35<frosch123>I already closed your report, explaining what was happening
13:36<planetmaker>and it seems there is a certain priority in which they are supplied...
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13:36*planetmaker goes looking
13:36<frosch123>the priority is the distance from the station sign to the industry
13:36<frosch123>no matter where the catchment area is
13:36<ln>if mario rescues the princess before luigi, what's luigi's objective after that?
13:37<frosch123>and planetmaker, you should not use station walking that excessive, that you do no longer know, where you placed your station tiles
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13:39<planetmaker>frosch: but also stations which are not in the catchment area receive cargo as far as I can tell - given the rectangular max(x),max(y) catchment area
13:39<frosch123>yes, that is fs#2138
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13:39<frosch123>currently the catchment area only decides whether the station accepts a certain cargo
13:40<frosch123>but when it is accepted it is delivered to the nearest industry to the station sign, no matter where the catchment area is
13:40<frosch123>in your special case the station sign is far from the center of the catchment area, so the effect is very drastical
13:41<planetmaker>ah... ok. So catchment area doesn't really matter.
13:41<frosch123>catchment area says yes or no, station sign says where :)
13:41<planetmaker>Thanks for the insight, frosch123 :)
13:42<frosch123>np, all of them will be wrong after fs#2138 is fixed :p
13:42<planetmaker>*giving me insight :P
13:42<planetmaker>which I wouldn't mind, too :)
13:43<planetmaker>I guess it's not too easy to fix that one... is it?
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13:44<frosch123>na, it's only george working on decreasing the priority :p
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13:49<planetmaker>increasing, eh? :)
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13:57<kbrooks>Hi
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13:58<kbrooks>Um, anyone heard about Wikipedia wanting to delete openttd wiki page?
14:02<ln>hehe, so it seems.
14:03<kbrooks>What do you think about it?
14:03<Sacro>[citation needed]
14:03<planetmaker>uh, why that?
14:04<frosch123>is there some automatism that start that? or is there someone really bored?
14:04<kbrooks>planetmaker, It only links to secondary sources like forums and our website.
14:04<ln>that's what they do to feel important.
14:04<kbrooks>planetmaker, and it isn't notable.
14:05<planetmaker>hm... well. I find OpenTTD a very notable game
14:05<planetmaker>So no need to delete a wiki entry which explains the term
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14:07<kbrooks>planetmaker, well, the guidelines of Wikipeedia (and your common sense) say otherwise
14:07<kbrooks>" If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article.
14:07<kbrooks>"
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14:10<Swallow>On the notability issue the TJIP challenge may be worth mentioning
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14:10<Sacro>TJIP?
14:11<Swallow>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=36059&hilit=TJIP+Challenge
14:14<kbrooks>My opinion wrt that link is, it's probably notable, but not the link itself
14:15<Swallow>of course
14:16<kbrooks>There needs to be a person in that company that can confirm this. When it is confirmed, it can be linked to. But I highly doubt that it is significant enough.
14:19<Swallow>I thought it was publicly announced, but while reading through it quickly it seems that it was more of an in-company affair within a software company
14:20<kbrooks>Swallow, My thoughts exactly.
14:21<frosch123>if you are bored, you could also merge the ttdpatch (also marked to be deleted), openttd and ttd article
14:21<planetmaker>tjip was officially announced iirc.
14:22<kbrooks>planetmaker, Where please.
14:22<planetmaker>Well, I read that they made announcements offline at least at Delft(?) university
14:23<planetmaker>but that's hard to cite :P
14:23<kbrooks>Was it published in a newspaper? magazine?
14:24<planetmaker>http://www.tjip.com/tjip-challenge.html <-- that's the official one. I'm not Dutch, so I don't know :)
14:27<ln>inaccurate information found on OpenTTD wikipedia page!
14:28<kbrooks>planetmaker, Well, it ended already. Significant? No. Reliable? Yes. Independent? Yes.
14:29<planetmaker>kbrooks: yeah, it ended. And brought forward quite good AI for OpenTTD :)
14:29<planetmaker>But outside OpenTTD it's, of course, not significant.
14:29<kbrooks>planetmaker, it did? is it included in openttd?
14:29<planetmaker>actually the whole NoAI branch was greatly pushed forward by that.
14:30<planetmaker>Not yet, but it's a branch under development
14:30<kbrooks>I'll hand this info over to Wikipedia. Thanks.
14:30<planetmaker>But the AIs can - and will - always be seperate.
14:30<kbrooks>ln: Where?
14:31<planetmaker>what will be included is the API for them.
14:32<ln>kbrooks: "Due to its use of the SDL cross-platform graphics and sound layer, it may be compiled and run on many different operating systems. This includes:"
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15:12<Hassan>Could anyone please tell me where to find the changelog of the last patches implented... Not the ones from today's nightly but the ones implented after it?
15:12<Hassan>And hi btw :D
15:15<frosch123>"today's nightly" is a bit late today
15:15<Hassan>ah :P Thats why ^^
15:16<Hassan>but if I want to download the source of lets say version R14.100, where to find it?
15:16<frosch123>wait 15 mins
15:16<frosch123>use svn, git or mercurial
15:16<Hassan>whats the url? :D
15:17<TrueBrain>www.openttd.org -> Development
15:17<Hassan>ah thx!
15:17<TrueBrain>use the website Luke ...
15:17<TrueBrain>(how hard can that be .... it is legal to look around yourself a bit ;))
15:18<Hassan>:P
15:18<Hassan>Ok ok, I am stupid
15:18<Hassan>I had looked around, but not a development :P
15:18<TrueBrain>I would use lazy, but fair enough ;)
15:18<Hassan>Ghe ghe, I am sorry to have bothered :P
15:19<TrueBrain>you are always very welcome :)
15:19<TrueBrain>we just love to answer cryptic ;)
15:19<Hassan>^^ And my I now also complain ^^
15:20<Hassan>Where is todays nightly :P
15:20<Hassan>Did SmatZ broke it again?
15:20<TrueBrain>being compiled
15:20<Hassan>great!
15:20<Hassan>Well I will look forward to seeing it :) So I can play my favorite music again; "hard drivin'
15:20<Hassan>It was skipped all the versions before :(
15:27<frosch123>Hassan: go, go, go!
15:28<Hassan>:p Its not yet online on main site
15:29<Hassan>got it :D
15:29<Hassan>thx!! :D Lets play that funky music :D
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15:59<frosch123>"Camasutra M7R Power Unit [Turbine]" <- I can already imagine the graphics of the "after 2010 future set"...
15:59*Rubidium wonders whether it won't become the after 2010 history set ;)
16:10<Eddi|zuHause>I had that same thought when i read the title... "do you really think you can get this out before 2010?"
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16:25<TrueBrain>Ammler: around?
16:27<TrueBrain>bad Ammler, not around when I need him ... bad Ammler
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16:36<TrueBrain>who here owns a OSX 10.4 or 10.5, and has 10.4u SDK installed?
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16:39<ln>TrueBrain: I do, but you have me on ignore.
16:39<Nite_Owl>Hello All
16:40<TrueBrain>hi Nite_Owl
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17:00<ln>TrueBrain: i could probably help you, but you probably have me on ignore.
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17:54<Brianetta>mary had a little lamb
17:54<babyottd>a little lamb
17:54<Brianetta>mary had a little lamb
17:55<Vikthor>Oh noes, he is back :p
17:55<Sacro|Laptop>Vikthor: Brianetta? yes, he comes here oftn
17:55<Brianetta>mary had a little lamb
17:55<Brianetta>come on babyottd
17:55<Brianetta>mary had a little lamb
17:55<Brianetta>say it
17:55<Brianetta>mary had a little lamb
17:55<babyottd>a little lamb
17:55<Brianetta>ah so close
17:55<Brianetta>mary had a little lamb
17:55<Brianetta>mary had a little lamb
17:56<Vikthor>Sacro|Laptop: No I mean his friend ;)
17:56<Brianetta>mary had a little lamb
17:56<Brianetta>I give up )-:
17:56<babyottd>give you Brianetta, don't worry about him
17:56<kbrooks>ping me
17:56<Sacro|Laptop>kbrooks: ping
17:56<babyottd>Sacro|Laptop : cock
17:57<Brianetta>babyottd!
17:57<+glx>lol
17:57<Vikthor>This is really naughty baby :D
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17:58<ben_goodger>I have said it before and am likely to do so again in the future: "wtf?"
17:58<Brianetta>wtf is wtf?
17:58<babyottd>wtf
18:03<vvv444>He definately got better :)
18:03<vvv444>!words
18:03<babyottd>I know 2439 words (12342 contexts, 5.06 per word), 2020 lines.
18:04<Sacro|Laptop>epic lulz
18:04<vvv444>Maybe boobs? That he knows for sure...
18:05<Sacro|Laptop>epic penis
18:05<vvv444>!known boobs
18:05<babyottd>boobs is known (3 contexts)
18:06<vvv444>!known pennis
18:06<babyottd>pennis is unknown.
18:06<vvv444>:)
18:06<Eddi|zuHause>it's really one of the most appropriate quotes babyottd has ever given :p
18:06<babyottd>very epic game ever
18:06<vvv444>game over?
18:06<babyottd>is over
18:06<vvv444>not yet
18:06<Eddi|zuHause>over what?
18:06<babyottd>my mind them into bots yet
18:07<Sacro|Laptop>vorname
18:07<Nite_Owl>The great thing about America is our right to what may seem like contradictory dissension but is, in actually, patriotism
18:07<Brianetta>That's it? That's the great thing?
18:08<Eddi|zuHause>i didn't understand a word he said...
18:08<Nite_Owl>One of them
18:08<babyottd>+ing them
18:08<ln>babyottd: next month is november
18:08<Eddi|zuHause>f*ing models?
18:08<babyottd>: mean ?
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18:09<vvv444>So, babyottd, what's about the turing test?
18:09<Brianetta>babyottd nearly passed his test
18:09<babyottd>the turing test, yes
18:09<Nite_Owl>Actually that was from another discussion on another channel - I hit enter at the wrong time - my apologies
18:09<Brianetta>we had one person fail to distinguish him from a facebook user
18:10<Vikthor>Brianetta: Now if you teach him leetspeak... :p
18:10<Brianetta>He gets confused by punctuation as words
18:11<ln>babyottd: who will be the president?
18:11<babyottd>former president ?
18:11<ln>babyottd: no, no, the current president.
18:11<vvv444>Btw, Brianetta, why don't you keep his here all the time, but silent? That a good way to give him learn
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18:11<vvv444>*him
18:11<ln>yeah, that could be good.
18:12<Vikthor>Pitty, with leetspeak he would pass, surely he seems to be more inteligent than average leetspeaker :)
18:12<Eddi|zuHause>the president is Horst Köhler
18:12<Brianetta>vvv444: He's an unauthorised bot. He's barely tolerated as it is
18:12<vvv444>LOL. As long as he shuts up noone will say anything.
18:12<ln>he's untolerated by ben_goodger, tolerated by everyone else?
18:13<vvv444>Who cares?
18:13<Eddi|zuHause>i think leetspeak is banned here much longer than bots :p
18:13<Vikthor>hmm true
18:13<Eddi|zuHause>i just have not seen anybody trying to use leetspeak in quite a long time
18:13<ben_goodger>natural selection
18:13<babyottd>the to think leetspeak is banned here much longer than one or two words that fast
18:14<ben_goodger>...hey, that was nearly coherent
18:14<babyottd>i nearly met tom once
18:14<Vikthor>thinking in leetspeak is banned? Thoughtcrime?
18:14<babyottd>Vikthor banned those stupid bots yet
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18:15<ln>babyottd: remember, remember
18:15<Sacro|Laptop>the 5th of november
18:15<Brianetta>remember
18:15<Brianetta>mary had a little lamb
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18:15<Sacro|Laptop>gunpower treason and plot!
18:15<babyottd>remember the fifth of november, the gunpowder, treason and plot, i will
18:15<ln>\o/
18:15<Sacro|Laptop>XD
18:15<Brianetta>\0/
18:16<Eddi|zuHause>err... what?
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18:17<Brianetta>Eddi|zuHause: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_plot
18:17<ben_goodger>babyottd: The European honey bee or Western honey bee (Apis mellifera) is a species of honey bee. In the temperate zone, honey bees survive winter as a colony, and the queen begins egg laying in mid to late winter, to prepare for spring. This is most likely triggered by longer day length. She is the only fertile female, and deposits all the eggs from which the other bees are produced. Except a brief mating period when sh
18:17<ben_goodger>e may make several flights to mate with drones, or if she leaves in later life with a swarm to establish a new colony, the queen rarely leaves the hive after the larvae have become full grown bees. The queen deposits each egg in a cell prepared by the worker bees. The egg hatches into a small larva which is fed by nurse bees (worker bees who maintain the interior of the colony). After about a week, the larva is sealed up
18:17<ben_goodger> in its cell by the nurse bees and begins the pupal stage. After another week, it will emerge an adult bee.
18:18<Brianetta>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night
18:18<Eddi|zuHause>spam"
18:18<ben_goodger>...can it learn about beekeeping?
18:18<Eddi|zuHause>!
18:18<babyottd>it says that to him learn
18:18<ben_goodger>babyottd: what is a european honey bee?
18:18<Brianetta>ben_goodger: If you want to feed him an encyclopedia (and you're not the only one) you can use private chat to him.
18:18<babyottd>chat bot ?
18:18<ben_goodger>ah
18:18<Vikthor>fail
18:18<ben_goodger>thank you
18:18<babyottd>ah so close
18:18<babyottd>epic fail
18:18<ben_goodger>babyottd: what is a bee?
18:19<Brianetta>bee deep
18:19<ln>ben_goodger: btw, you can teach him by private messages too.
18:19<Brianetta>deep inside
18:19<babyottd>: s teach him
18:19<ben_goodger>ln: yes, I know, I'm just poking it
18:19<babyottd>i'm not
18:19<ben_goodger>what is it actually meant to be learning? makov chains of human speech, information, conversational english, or what?
18:19<babyottd>i meant the railways
18:20<Sacro|Laptop>ben_goodger: mostly random phrases and swearing
18:20<ben_goodger>no, that's what it _says_ :P
18:20<babyottd>is what the hell are you ?
18:20<ln>Eddi|zuHause: also if you haven't seen V for Vendetta, do watch it for more information about Guy Fawkes.
18:20<Brianetta>ben_goodger: He's learning from you. That's all. He starts with a totally clean slate, empty database, no contexts, no grammar.
18:20<Eddi|zuHause>i have seen the movie
18:21<Eddi|zuHause>but it's a while ago
18:21<babyottd>not seen anybody trying to achieve ?
18:21<+glx>to achieve waht?
18:21-!-Progman [~progman@p57A1C5D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:21<babyottd>you meet people to talk on
18:21<+glx>*what
18:21<ben_goodger>Eddi|zuHause: republican terrorist attempts to detonate many barrels of gunpowder under parliament on the opening of parliament by the king on the 5th of november, gunpowder is discovered and he hangs
18:22<Brianetta>He was framed.
18:22<babyottd>to type that was nearly coherent
18:23<Sacro|Laptop>ben_goodger: *was hung
18:23<ln>would it be odd to admit that i first heard about the gunpowder plot when watching V for Vendetta? i had heard Guy Fawkes's name before, but didn't know the story.
18:24<ben_goodger>actually, I was speaking in the present tense throughout
18:24-!-kbrooks [kbrooks@d235-173-49.home1.cgocable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:24<ben_goodger>and the past passive participle of "hang", as in "hang by the neck", is "hanged" (strange quirk of english)
18:26<ben_goodger>so when was this crazy bot instituted?
18:31<ln>he's not crazy, he's just a baby
18:32<TrueBrain>Brianetta: he still doesn't make sense, does he?
18:32<ben_goodger>TrueBrain: absolutely not
18:32<TrueBrain>babyottd: bark!
18:32<babyottd>he still might have not seen anybody trying to educate him
18:32<ben_goodger>hmm, he's learning
18:32<ben_goodger>...
18:32<babyottd>her face has been learning
18:33<ln>babyottd: do you know sawyer?
18:33<TrueBrain>ben_goodger: like he would ever make any sense :p
18:33<babyottd>do that sawyer sued atari because
18:33<TrueBrain>babyottd: I told you to bark
18:33<TrueBrain>Brianetta: when will it learn to play OpenTTD? :p
18:33<TrueBrain>pompiedom
18:33<TrueBrain>lalala
18:33<TrueBrain>learn that stupid babyottd
18:34<babyottd>stupid similies even worse then yours
18:34<@Rubidium>*than* you moron!
18:34<ln>omg, it has learned bad english from TrueBrain
18:34<TrueBrain>hahahahaha
18:34<TrueBrain>even a bot makes the mistake :(
18:34<TrueBrain>babyottd: bark
18:34<vvv444>!known then
18:34<babyottd>then is known (16 contexts)
18:35<vvv444>!known than
18:35<babyottd>than is known (18 contexts)
18:35<TrueBrain>!known bark
18:35<babyottd>bark is known (3 contexts)
18:35<vvv444>!known bark
18:35<TrueBrain>:p
18:35<babyottd>bark is known (3 contexts)
18:35<TrueBrain>haha
18:35<TrueBrain>babyottd: bark!
18:35<TrueBrain>!known pompiedom
18:35<babyottd>pompiedom is known (1 contexts)
18:35<TrueBrain>hehe :)
18:35<babyottd>hehe
18:35<ben_goodger>"<babyottd> i will die immediately after mating, the us loves threatening middle eastern countries with peace and love"
18:36<ben_goodger>I declare this to be a Have I Got News for You quote
18:36<babyottd>what rude was i got bored and haven't miss anything
18:36<TrueBrain>babyottd: sorry?
18:36<TrueBrain>reply when I speak to you
18:36<TrueBrain>rude ..
18:37<ln>babyottd: bark, please?
18:37<@Rubidium>babyottd: hou je waffel!
18:37<babyottd>targeted for termination !
18:37<@Rubidium>exterminieren, exterminieren
18:37<TrueBrain>teminate who?
18:38<@Rubidium>Sarah Connor
18:38<babyottd>who dont finish their
18:38<TrueBrain>yeah :)
18:38<TrueBrain>poor Sarah
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18:38<ben_goodger>aww, I'm sorry
18:38<ben_goodger>I didn't mean to paste so many paragraphs on beekeeping at a time..
18:39<TrueBrain>where was it flooding?
18:39<vvv444>No probably it was me, I'm sorry too
18:39<vvv444>[Private chat]
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18:39<TrueBrain>bad boys!
18:39<TrueBrain>weren't PMs routed to Brianetta? :p
18:39<fjb>Hello
18:39<vvv444>I was teaching him about bark :)
18:39<TrueBrain>babyottd: bark!
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18:40<TrueBrain>still no luck ;)
18:40<babyottd>this is still the TrueBrain and may even stop during
18:40<babyottd>wood bark has lignin content and when it is no better alternative, but they're super !
18:40<vvv444>:)
18:40<TrueBrain>omg ...
18:40<TrueBrain>you teach him bad things!
18:40<babyottd>but bad tempered, bureaucratic, officious and callous
18:40<vvv444>Thought it would be funny :)
18:40<TrueBrain>all 4
18:40<Eddi|zuHause>at least now i am certain that i lacked some context knowledge to fully understand that movie...
18:40<ben_goodger>vogon!
18:41<TrueBrain>vogons!!!
18:41<TrueBrain>poems ..
18:41<TrueBrain>dead
18:41<ln>poetry
18:41<Eddi|zuHause>don'r
18:41<TrueBrain>find the relation ..
18:41<TrueBrain>douglas adams
18:41<Eddi|zuHause>s/r/t/
18:41<TrueBrain>also dead
18:41<babyottd>dead
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18:41<TrueBrain>good boy
18:41<vvv444>Are you dead, babyottd?
18:41<TrueBrain>babyottd: what do you know about OpenTTD?
18:42<TrueBrain>babyottd: you there?
18:42<TrueBrain>babyottd: hello?!
18:42<TrueBrain>babyottd: fuck you
18:43<babyottd>oh hello, nathaniel
18:43<ben_goodger>heh
18:43<TrueBrain>now that is funny :)
18:43<TrueBrain>he should be teached to talk back when spoken to :(
18:43<Eddi|zuHause>taught?
18:43<babyottd>d : 3 ?
18:44<Eddi|zuHause>no, you don't defeat the dragon, you lose an arm.
18:44<vvv444>babyottd: No, d isn't a bit field!
18:44<dih>TrueBrain, what time is the compile farm finished currently?
18:44<dih>in fact i have the feeling it's somwhere after that but i am unsure when
18:45<dih>i have the distinct feeling that 20.30 is not the time :-P
18:45<dih>switch the last 2 lines :-P
18:46<TrueBrain>dih: as I told you before, the compile-farm finishes when it finishes .. use finger to find out when ever that is :)
18:46<@Rubidium>noo ;)
18:46<babyottd>: )
18:46<@Rubidium>there's a push mechanism to be notified when the compile farm is finished
18:46<babyottd>the mechanism by which this occurs is not true
18:46<@Rubidium>it's called #openttd.notice
18:47<TrueBrain>babyottd: you are wrong
18:47<Eddi|zuHause>now it's getting sick... Rubidium and babyottd have the same length and the same colour...
18:47<TrueBrain>!words
18:47<babyottd>I know 3325 words (17239 contexts, 5.18 per word), 2450 lines.
18:47<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: either /ignore babyottd or /ignore Rubidium
18:47<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: same problem here ;)
18:47<babyottd>the same about you
18:48<TrueBrain>!replace bark dead
18:48<TrueBrain>babyottd: now bark!
18:49<TrueBrain>boo-hoo
18:49<TrueBrain>Rubidium: lol, your answer to that problem is ignore ... cool ;)
18:49<dih>a push system over the irc network is daft :-P
18:49<babyottd>irc
18:50<dih>and it's not a givin that finger.openttd.org/version.txt holds an updated entry every day right?
18:50<babyottd>i destroy every pie i touch
18:50<@Rubidium>dih: no daft is a person that wrote a boook that I never ever want to read again
18:50<dih>man that thing is annoying
18:50<Brianetta>PMs to babyottd *are* routed to me, but babyottd still reads them.
18:50<dih>so?
18:51<TrueBrain>[00:50] <dih> and it's not a givin that finger.openttd.org/version.txt holds an updated entry every day right? <- it is an absolute fact when ever there is a new 'official' binary, it is on finger
18:51<babyottd>the fact it says dead
18:51<TrueBrain>one can not be without the other
18:51<TrueBrain>(www.openttd.org reads finger to publish his findings)
18:51<TrueBrain>oh shut up you fool
18:51<babyottd>butter, fool !
18:51<TrueBrain>(babyottd that is)
18:51<dih>is there some flag in the versions.txt file that notify if there are no changes
18:52<dih>is what that line was supposed to say
18:52<TrueBrain>... dih: and how would that work? :)
18:52<TrueBrain>lol
18:52<fjb>What kind of bot is babyottd?
18:52<babyottd>some kind of bot is bullying me : (
18:52<TrueBrain>poor babyottd :)
18:52<babyottd>poor monument to the south by austria and switzerland, and has a vertical orientation
18:52<dih>ah - wait - it has a date field right?
18:53<TrueBrain>if you would open the page, you would know :) :)
18:53<dih>i just looked at it :-)
18:53<babyottd>the shaking signal at the start of my log : d
18:53<dih>ok - will that date field always be updated every day?
18:53<TrueBrain>babyottd: but you never talk about OpenTTD :(
18:53<dih>even if there is no new nightly
18:53<babyottd>george bush has less brains than even me
18:53<TrueBrain>dih: no, once a week ....
18:53<TrueBrain>:p
18:53<TrueBrain>ah :)
18:54<TrueBrain>the date is of the date of the binary
18:54<TrueBrain>so if there are no commits, there is no new binary, there is no new date
18:54<babyottd>a date field always be updated every day has very specific behaviors that go unnoticed by the north sea on
18:54<Sacro|Laptop>babyottd: on thursdays?
18:54<dih>so when there is no new nightly (rev did not change in 24 hours) there is no way of knowing
18:54<TrueBrain>thursdays?
18:54<TrueBrain>what day is that?
18:54<Sacro|Laptop>could at least run touch on them
18:54<dih>either it's not finished compiling or there simply is no new nightly rev
18:54<TrueBrain>dih: plenty of ways :)
18:55<vvv444>So, what do you think about the OpenTTD game babyottd?
18:55<TrueBrain>svn info svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src
18:55<dih>i will not poll every 5 mins
18:55<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: the fourth?
18:55<TrueBrain>Rubidium: are you acting in for babyottd now? :)
18:56<babyottd>here now
18:56<vvv444>dih: Why do you need it with 5 min latency?
18:56<babyottd>i need to go play with a pearl : o
18:56<dih>vvv444, read! it sais i will not
18:56<babyottd>to read again
18:56<vvv444>babyottd: Play with trains at OpenTTD instead!
18:56<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: yeah, I'm waiting on something to complete
18:56<@Rubidium>but I think I'm doing too much at the same time
18:56<vvv444>dih: sorry
18:56<babyottd>sorry
18:57<@Rubidium>or rather my computer's doing too much at the same time
18:57<TrueBrain>aren't we all sorry?
18:57<TrueBrain>babyottd: bark!
18:57<dih>is there no way to have a flag in that file?
18:57<babyottd>wolves, dogs bark frequently and in town
18:57<@Rubidium>dih: and what would that flag tell?
18:57<TrueBrain>dih: of course not .. we are not updated the stable versions every day too to indicate there is no update
18:57<vvv444>hmmm, who taught him this?
18:58<dih>TrueBrain, nightlies are updated
18:58<TrueBrain>+too
18:58<dih>every day
18:58<TrueBrain>vvv444: not me!
18:58<TrueBrain>still no idea how to teach him anything :)
18:58<dih>so perhaps it's not such a far fetched thought to make sure people can see if there simply will be no update or if the update process merely is not completed
18:59<Vikthor>vvv444: Besides it's not true, wolves do not bark that frequently
18:59<TrueBrain>dih: svn info svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src
18:59<TrueBrain>still no garantees
18:59<TrueBrain>if we decide at 0500 to make a nightly ... we do so :)
18:59<dih>regarding babyottd - i cannot believe you guys accept a bot that is even worse than most users in this channel and on the forums
18:59<vvv444>Vikthor: Yeah, they howl
18:59<babyottd>he cannot be quiet !
18:59<TrueBrain>dih: in fact .. he is better than a few users we had here
18:59<dih>TrueBrain, so much for a reliable service!
19:00<TrueBrain>dih: who said it was ever a reliable service?
19:00<babyottd>when ever there is no new nightly rev
19:00<TrueBrain>remind yourself that nightlies are our way to push out binaries for people to test
19:00<dih>perfect
19:00<dih>just perfect
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19:00<dih>oh thank goodness
19:00<TrueBrain>Brianetta: why!? :(
19:00<Brianetta>TrueBrain: I'm sick of the whingeing
19:01<TrueBrain>Brianetta: it is toob ad he really doesn't make sense :(
19:01<vvv444>Brianetta: I still think it's better to leave him here but shut up...
19:01<TrueBrain>I just read up how it makes it graph ...
19:01<TrueBrain>although it would work better if we would feed him sane sentences .. I guess he will never be able to talk in a normal way :(
19:01<dih>TrueBrain, would it be such a big issue to make a reliable service?
19:02<TrueBrain>dih: your definition of 'reliable' is vasty different than ours in this case
19:02<TrueBrain>Brianetta: can't you make it read some books? :)
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19:02<ln>\o/ he's back
19:02<ln>babyottd: was a short game
19:02<dih>if something has a dily update, my definition merely be to make sure that if one day has no update to mark it as such
19:03<TrueBrain>dih: the simple truth is that we cannot and will not promise anyone that a nightly is procudes at 20:00 CE(S)T .. in 99% of the cases it will happen at that time, and in 1% of the cases it won't.
19:03<TrueBrain>I myself consider 99% very reliable for this kind of work, and for you it is not ..
19:03<TrueBrain>dih: not the function of finger, so it can't be added there
19:04<dih>you flag a testing release to be older than a stable by using <stable> instead of a version number
19:04<ln>dih: if you don't like babyottd, then please just ignore him. the rest of us like him.
19:05<dih>ln: i cannot remember ever rattling your cage!
19:06<ln>dih: it was not meant to be an insult.
19:06<dih>i did not read it as such
19:06<ln>good
19:06<vvv444>ln: Actually it can get quite annoying... But for a short time every day it gives a good laugh.
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19:10<fjb>Hm, is i386-elf-objcopy part on a Linux distribution?
19:10<TrueBrain>maybe make #openttd.baby :p
19:11<TrueBrain>fjb: binutils
19:11<ln>a separate channel could be a good choice if he is considered annoying.
19:11<TrueBrain>(you can't say any program is part of a 'distribution' I guess :p)
19:11<fjb>Standard gnu binutils?
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19:11<TrueBrain># objcopy --version
19:11<TrueBrain>GNU objcopy (GNU Binutils) 2.18
19:12<TrueBrain>most likely there are also non-GNU variants
19:12<fjb>Could have been part of an application package.
19:12<ln>although, if he spoke less frequently, *and people didn't provoke him to speak*, then its comments could be funny and tolerable.
19:12<TrueBrain>binutils is an application ;)
19:12<fjb>Ah, objcopy, will look for that if it is the same.
19:12<Sacro|Laptop>Brianetta: cat him some Shakespear!
19:12<fjb>:-)
19:12<fjb>:-P
19:12<TrueBrain>i386-elf-objcopy is just the i386 ELF variant of objcopy :p
19:13<TrueBrain>objcopy: supported targets: elf64-x86-64 elf32-i386 a.out-i386-linux efi-app-ia32 efi-app-x86_64 elf64-little elf64-big elf32-little elf32-big srec symbolsrec tekhex binary ihex
19:13<fjb>By the way, I got the job (even if it is just one project at the moment).
19:13<TrueBrain>that mine can handle ;)
19:13<TrueBrain>concratz :)
19:13<TrueBrain>now get your C skills up-to-date ;)
19:13<fjb>Tnaks, and thanks for your help.
19:14<fjb>I got the hardware for the first time today and my program only hat one little bug, fixed in 5 minutes. Never could test it before.
19:14<vvv444>ln: Brianetta can configure him by !replyrate.
19:14<TrueBrain>and then people say I am not helpful ;)
19:15<fjb>:-)
19:15<TrueBrain>fjb: impressive ;)
19:15<fjb>I guess it was pure luck. :-) But it still impressed the people.
19:16<TrueBrain>it should :)
19:16<fjb>And even that bug would have been avoidable if I had read the api documentation better. Maybe I was just too tired last night.
19:17<TrueBrain>and who cares ;) 1 bug is acceptable :)
19:17<TrueBrain>(as long as you find it ;))
19:17<dih>TrueBrain, why does http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r14488/ say file time of 19.26
19:17<fjb>Was easy to find. And my application did more than they expected.
19:18<TrueBrain>dih: because then the dir was created? Dunno :)
19:18<dih>if that system is set on GMT time and you are gmt+2
19:18<dih>that makes it still an hour late for suppsoedly running the compile farm at 2000
19:18<vvv444>DST?
19:18<TrueBrain>today the compile didn't run at 2000
19:18<TrueBrain>I believe it was started at 2054
19:18<TrueBrain>maybe a few minutes later
19:18<dih>duh
19:19<TrueBrain>(and server is in UTC, the only same timezone for any server :))
19:19<fjb>Ah, I have an objcopy. Looks like it supports the needed target.
19:19<vvv444>*sane
19:20<TrueBrain>fjb: most linux systems have it ;)
19:20<TrueBrain>Mac doesn't
19:20<fjb>This is not Linux. :-P
19:20<Nite_Owl>Feeding time - Later all
19:20<dih>mac is no linux either
19:20<fjb>And no mac either.
19:20<TrueBrain>then the only question is if they use GNU :)
19:20<TrueBrain>Nite_Owl: enjoy
19:21<fjb>Binutils are GNU here.
19:21-!-Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon]
19:21<TrueBrain>I believe the only systems I touched who are not GNU based, are mac and solaris :p
19:21<dih>:-P
19:21<TrueBrain>well, and windows of course, but that has mingw :p
19:22*fjb once touched VM/CMS and VMS. :-)
19:22<@Rubidium>yeah, would say: don't forget your phone
19:22<dih>TrueBrain, when does the compile farm know when it will start compiling and know what rev it will use?
19:22<TrueBrain>don't start about my phone :(
19:22<TrueBrain>piece of crap called Windows Mobile 5
19:22<TrueBrain>shoot to kill
19:22<vvv444>MingW doesn't fully support latest gcc though...
19:22<fjb>My phone is Windows... :-(
19:23<TrueBrain>dih: when ever it is triggered :)
19:23<fjb>Also Windows Mobile 5.
19:23<TrueBrain>and as I said before, in most cases that will be exactly at 20:00 CE(S)T
19:23<dih>and how is it triggered?
19:23<TrueBrain>and normally it knows within 6 seconds which revision it has
19:23<TrueBrain>fjb: so you agree, piece of crap, right? :)
19:23<TrueBrain>I hate most that you almost can't get any sane application on it ..
19:23<TrueBrain>let alone program one yourself (in a sane way)
19:24<fjb>Yes, but most other phones are also a piece of crap, sadly. Just another kind of crap.
19:24<dih>so at least for the nightly system you could theoretically provide a rev number in a separate location for the next-to-be nightly
19:24<TrueBrain>iPhone is nicer
19:24<TrueBrain>and Windows Mobile 6 too ..
19:25<TrueBrain>dih: svn info svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src
19:25<TrueBrain>boy, I hate repeating myself ;)
19:25<fjb>I almost gave up on programming it on my own. But I found some usefull applications, not that many, but the most impoortant things.
19:25*vvv444 still suffers from Symbian
19:25<TrueBrain>I am still looking for a sane email application which supports pushmail ..
19:25<dih>TrueBrain, that is only useful if and only if the servers have the same time and the nightly was created every day at the same time without option of short notice change
19:26<fjb>Yes, pushmail is kind of a problem. I'm using imap polling right now.
19:26<TrueBrain>dih: and to get this circle complete again:[01:03] <TrueBrain> dih: the simple truth is that we cannot and will not promise anyone that a nightly is procudes at 20:00 CE(S)T .. in 99% of the cases it will happen at that time, and in 1% of the cases it won't.
19:26<dih>i am not telling you or asking you to PROMISE!
19:26<TrueBrain>fjb: yeah .. I tried that for a while .. then I read how much bandwidth that used ;)
19:27<TrueBrain>stupid default application reads the complete map EVERY CONNECT :(
19:28<vvv444>dih: What was the reason you need the nightly build rev? Why do you care so much about th accuracy?
19:28<fjb>My phone usually is not connected to the internet, so not that problem for me.
19:28<dih>i am merely asking for a reliable way of finding out if the upgrade is delayed, canceled
19:28<dih>vvv444: TrueBrain knows that is all that i need right now
19:28<@Rubidium>follow #openttd and #openttd.notice is the only reliable way
19:29<TrueBrain>and dih also knows he won't get that :)
19:29<dih>will that say that no new nightly is gonna be made available at a certain date?
19:29<TrueBrain>(As we had this talk a few times before ..)
19:29<Brianetta>Parse the web site.
19:29<TrueBrain>Brianetta: rather finger.openttd.org
19:29<dih>or will that only say that a new nightly build is ready
19:29<TrueBrain>much less .. intrusive ;)
19:29<Brianetta>TrueBrain: I like to intrude.
19:30<fjb>What I didn't figure out is how to set up the internet connection on the phone to all my wishes. It has kind of different zones that get explained nowhere.
19:30<Brianetta>Besides, my get_nightly.sh is older than your finger service.
19:30<vvv444>Oh, common, dih, if you care so much you can build it by yourself. Settuing up build server isn't that hard!
19:30<dih>vvv444: play ottd
19:30<TrueBrain>Brianetta: might be, but the finger is a plain text, the webpage is ... dynamic :(
19:30<Brianetta>and my sed-fu is strong
19:30<TrueBrain>fjb: so we both agree, WM5 sucks :)
19:30<fjb>TrueBrain: Yeah
19:31<TrueBrain>Brianetta: so you are the one creating the insane load on our server ... /me blocks a certain IP :p
19:31<TrueBrain>MWHAHAHAHA :)
19:31<TrueBrain>nah, just kidding :)
19:31<vvv444>dih: I do, so?
19:31<fjb>But they didn't change the internet setup in WM6, as far as I have seen.
19:31<dih>vvv444: can you keep a secret?
19:31<TrueBrain>Brianetta: just know that finger is the msot reliable way of release-dates/versions we have :)
19:32<TrueBrain>fjb: haven't really tried WM6 .. and I use 3G for my internet, and no security ;)
19:32<dih>TrueBrain, it sucks in one single point!
19:32<fjb>Oh, oh...
19:32<TrueBrain>dih: in your opinion :) In ours it does exactly what it should do
19:32<dih>it's impossible to tell if there is a new nightly or not
19:33<TrueBrain>it tells perfectly well when there is a new nightly
19:33<TrueBrain>and that is eaxctly what it should do
19:33<dih>but if you run something 'nightly' and cannot tell the users if it ran and there simply is no update for them
19:34<TrueBrain>dih: in the past 5 years, how often did that happen?
19:34<TrueBrain>and then why are we even talking about it?
19:34<TrueBrain>well, 3 years
19:34<dih>the past 4 days every single time
19:34<TrueBrain>the compile-farm was created in March 2005
19:34<TrueBrain>so 3.5 I guess
19:34<vvv444>TrueBrain: Actually, how difficult is adding mailing list? Shouldn't be hard...
19:34<dih>because your finger was upgrading but slow and services have assumed no updates
19:34<TrueBrain>excpect today, there were no adnormalities within the compile-farm
19:34<TrueBrain>vvv444: we once had one .. didn't work out :)
19:35<vvv444>Well, I can make IRC->Mail from #openttd.notice, free of charge :)
19:35<TrueBrain>dih: finger is not updated slow
19:35<TrueBrain>as it can't be 'slow'
19:35<TrueBrain>it was updated at 18:27 for the last few weeks now ..
19:35<dih>late
19:35<TrueBrain>vvv444: and what good would that do? :)
19:35<dih>compared to the past 3 months
19:35<TrueBrain>oh, boo-hoo
19:36<TrueBrain>sorry, but ... I can't help if our compile-farm doesn't fit into your timeframe
19:36<TrueBrain>I will ask him nicely if he might want to speed up things
19:36<vvv444>Shut up whimperers like dih :)
19:36<dih>what is so bad about informing the users of a service
19:36<TrueBrain>as dih expect a compile to be done earlier
19:36<TrueBrain>(really: wtf?!)
19:36<dih>i am NOT expecting it to be done earlier
19:37<TrueBrain>then what is wrong with 18:27 ..
19:37<TrueBrain>I like that time
19:37<dih>youre not reading at all are you?
19:37<Eddi|zuHause>dih: proposition: when updating fails at a given time, try 10 minutes later, then 30 minutes later, then 1 hour later
19:37<dih>the time is fine
19:37<dih>i dont care if its 2 hours early or late or whatever
19:37<vvv444>dih: users are notified at #openttd.notice. If you want another way write a redirector!
19:38<dih>i just want to be able to tell if there will not be a new nightly at a certain day
19:38<dih>vvv444: i am not talking to you
19:38<TrueBrain>dih: and you won't get that
19:38<TrueBrain>we already established that
19:38<dih>Eddi|zuHause, if there is no update my system polls all the time
19:38<vvv444>dih: as you wish.
19:39<dih>rather than just skipping for 24 hours
19:39*vvv444 shuts up
19:39<Eddi|zuHause>dih: that is your system's fault, not the compilefarm's
19:39<@Rubidium>there is no way to tell whether there will be a new nightly before the nightly has been released
19:39<@Rubidium>as it might be delayed
19:39<TrueBrain>vvv444: don't mind dih too much, he has a long day :) Normally he really is a nice and fun guy to talk to :)
19:39<@Rubidium>so you want us to manually add some flag somewhere to tell you that we delayed the build?
19:39<dih>Rubidium, but there is a way to tell the building part has been done and no new nightly has been made
19:40<dih>i.e. - no updates for today
19:40<TrueBrain>delayed, cancelled, segfaulted, paused, substituted, or otherwise not active ;)
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19:40<vvv444>TrueBrain: I just don't get why he was complaining so much, I could setup compile farm from scratch for this conversation time :)
19:40<TrueBrain>and here it comes again ... svn info svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src
19:40<dih>[01:39] <TrueBrain> vvv444: don't mind dih too much, he has a long day :) Normally he really is a nice and fun guy to talk to :) <- thanks for being understanding :-)
19:40<TrueBrain>vvv444: it is not the compile-farm that is the problem .. he has a nightly dedicated server running
19:40<Eddi|zuHause>vvv444: it's not about compiling, it's about updating the server to the same revision the clients are expected to use
19:40<TrueBrain>vvv444: and he wants that updated at the exact moment the binaries are released .. which is simply not possible
19:41<TrueBrain>the best he can do is be correct 99% of the times
19:41<TrueBrain>and be wrong 1%
19:41<dih>TrueBrain, that is not true
19:41<TrueBrain>so .. 4 days in a year his nightly dedicated server is not as nightly as he might hav ehoped :)
19:41<dih>i dont want to update my server at the same time
19:41<TrueBrain>well, have it ready, what ever you call it :)
19:42<dih>but if i read finger and it's not changed since the last time - there is no way to tell if that is merely because there is no new update or because the compile farm is still compiling
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19:42<dih>whereas if there was a flag that said the compile farm ran and there was no update, then that would clarify that part
19:42<TrueBrain>dih: indeed
19:42<Eddi|zuHause>dih: imho, it can be done perfectly fine with the information you can already get. i don't understand what all the fuzz is about
19:42<TrueBrain>and if you pull, say, at 20:35 (which seems a safe time reading the past few days)
19:42<dih>i could poll until the file has either the flag or a new rev
19:42<TrueBrain>and just use that revision no matter what
19:42<TrueBrain>you are wrong 4 days in a year, on average :)
19:43<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: he wants 100% accuracy ;)
19:43<dih>20.35 the finger file was not updated
19:43<Eddi|zuHause>dih: so this was one of the 4 days...
19:43<TrueBrain>dih: it was
19:43<TrueBrain>well, not today
19:43<vvv444>Why not poll several times a day? Say every 4 hours?
19:43<dih>and the update failed 4 times in a row now
19:43<@Rubidium>dih: and now there has been a day with no release so that flag is set. The next day you read that page and the flag is still set because the nightly has not been finished, now your script will assume that there is no new nightly
19:43<TrueBrain>the rest of the week ;)
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19:44<@Rubidium>conclusion: adding a flag whether there was no nightly for a night is not the solution
19:44<dih>Rubidium, using a date?
19:44<TrueBrain>r14441/ 2008-Oct-05 18:27:06 - Directory
19:44<TrueBrain>r14442/ 2008-Oct-06 18:27:08 - Directory
19:44<TrueBrain>r14445/ 2008-Oct-07 18:27:09 - Directory
19:44<TrueBrain>r14450/ 2008-Oct-08 18:27:08 - Directory
19:44<TrueBrain>r14458/ 2008-Oct-11 18:27:08 - Directory
19:44<TrueBrain>r14460/ 2008-Oct-12 18:27:07 - Directory
19:44<TrueBrain>r14462/ 2008-Oct-13 18:27:15 - Directory
19:44<TrueBrain>r14463/ 2008-Oct-14 18:27:08 - Directory
19:44<TrueBrain>r14468/ 2008-Oct-15 18:27:09 - Directory
19:44<TrueBrain>r14469/ 2008-Oct-16 18:27:52 - Directory
19:44<TrueBrain>r14481/ 2008-Oct-17 18:27:10 - Directory
19:44<dih>TrueBrain, did you not say the file was written _after_ compiling?
19:44<TrueBrain>weird failures ..
19:45<TrueBrain>at 18:27:10, finger was updated at 17 Oct 2008
19:45<TrueBrain>(which happens to be the exact time the binaries were uploaded)
19:45<dih>[01:19] <TrueBrain> I believe it was started at 2054
19:46<Eddi|zuHause>dih: can you count to 4?
19:46<TrueBrain>dih: that was TODAY
19:46<TrueBrain>which happens to be the 18 Oct 2008
19:47<Eddi|zuHause>http://failblog.org/2008/10/10/learning-to-count-fail/
19:47<TrueBrain>LOL @ Eddi|zuHause
19:47<TrueBrain>hahaha
19:48<TrueBrain>that is REALLY bad
19:48<dih>that is not even funny....
19:48<TrueBrain>I think it is :)
19:49<dih>i need some sleep...
19:49<TrueBrain>sleep well dih
19:50<TrueBrain>and don't worry about those few days a year things fail
19:50<TrueBrain>shit happens .. we are not paid, we are not high-end software ..
19:50<TrueBrain>shit happens :)
19:50<dih>:-)
19:50<dih>true
19:50<vvv444>Good night!
19:50<dih>well - thanks for what you guys do do
19:50<dih>;-)
19:50<TrueBrain>(in fact, today was one of those days where a bug hiding in a simple line showed up ... and OOM did the rest :))
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19:50<vvv444>I'll probably go to sleep as well...
19:51<TrueBrain>yeah, 0151 sounds as good time as any ..
19:52<vvv444>Yeah, got to work tomorrow...
19:52<TrueBrain>sunday?
19:52<TrueBrain>nasty ..
19:52<TrueBrain>good luck
19:52<vvv444>Israel
19:52<TrueBrain>I can FINALLY sleep long and sound ..
19:52<TrueBrain>long overdue I tell you ..
19:52<vvv444>Week starts on sunday.
19:53<TrueBrain>ah
19:53<TrueBrain>sucks ;)
19:53<vvv444>indeed
19:53<TrueBrain>well, night all :)
19:53<vvv444>gn
19:53<TrueBrain>don't let the bedbugs bite you
19:53<TrueBrain>:)
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