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---Logopened Tue Nov 25 00:00:26 2008
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00:01<@petern>yes
00:02<AgentLeMan>i have not really expected that. this is IRC for gods sake. if 100 people lurk in a channel, 90 of them are AFK anyways.
00:02<AgentLeMan>°grins°
00:03<AgentLeMan>°waits for the cane°
00:05<@petern>"gods", "anyway" :p
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00:08<AgentLeMan>an 's is short for "is"?
00:08<@petern>not always
00:09<@petern>it is also for possession
00:10<AgentLeMan>alright, last try
00:10<@petern>(except, of course, a possession belonging to an "it")
00:10<AgentLeMan>i have not really expected that. for the sake of god, this is IRC. if 100 people lurk in a channel, 90 of them are AFK anyway.
00:11<@petern>see, easy!
00:11<@petern>gold star ;)
00:11<AgentLeMan>ya, but, keep in mind, if i write like that always, im just looked at in a funny way.
00:11<@petern>lesson over
00:11<@petern>true
00:11<AgentLeMan>as if that doesnt happen enough already.
00:11<@petern>it's easier to just use the apostrophes ;)
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00:12<AgentLeMan>huh? i beg your pardon?
00:13<AgentLeMan>06:11:30] <@petern> gold star ;) / you mean "you have earned a golden star for your effort." i guess
00:13<thingwath>04:40 < AgentLeMan> anyone alive in this cemetary?
00:13<thingwath>and it is "cemetery" :o)
00:14<AgentLeMan>thingwath. wrong ;oP
00:15<AgentLeMan>"Cemetary was a Swedish gothic metal band founded by Mathias Lodmalm in 1989."
00:15<thingwath>Was.
00:15<AgentLeMan>see?
00:15<AgentLeMan>there you got the context
00:16<thingwath>:-)
00:16<@petern>we're all in a swedish goth-metal band!
00:17<AgentLeMan>yikes!
00:17<AgentLeMan>°sings° "we all live i na yellow submarine..."
00:18<@petern>yes
00:18<@petern>in a swedish goth-metal style, of course
00:18<AgentLeMan>are we able to talk in a decnt manner about serious things?
00:18<@petern>i suppose it depends on what the subject matter is
00:18<AgentLeMan>helping people ;o)
00:19<AgentLeMan>first time i got here and asked a question, i got referred to dale's "how to ask questions"
00:20<AgentLeMan>it seems weird to me, that one does get shooed away like that. as if... uhm... as if interaction has to be like feeding a sourcecode to a computer, to get an answer.
00:22<AgentLeMan>of course, you, the regulars want to keep a community clean of "weirdos" and such people, but... i find it a bit not nice, to just send people away with sonething like that, instead of trying to interact, socialize with people who are interested to involve themselves into a community, resulting in making it bigger, helping out, etc.
00:24<@petern>well i have a question
00:24<@petern>doesn't pci support bus mastering and talking to memory directly?
00:25<@petern>what are the implications of that if the memory controller is built into the cpu?
00:26<AgentLeMan>PCI isnt needed?
00:27<AgentLeMan>errm, the memory controller is not needed.
00:27<AgentLeMan>uhm.. CPU isn't?
00:28<AgentLeMan>°is lost°
00:42<@petern>here's another question then
00:42<@petern>my feet are freezing, should i put socks on?
00:42<thingwath>Yes.
00:43<AgentLeMan>no.
00:44<AgentLeMan>but that "no" can, im aware of that, lead to my point being made worthless.
00:44<AgentLeMan>if you dont put socks on, your body will, in time, get used to cold and you wont feel it anymore so much.
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00:50<@petern>well it didn't for the past hour and a half
00:51*petern consumes his monthly supply of salt via a piece of toast with marmite on it
00:52<AgentLeMan>"in time" ;o) not "instantly"
01:05<De_Ghosty>pci can access memory directly?
01:07<AgentLeMan>DMA. direct memory access
01:07<De_Ghosty>oh looks like it does
01:08<AgentLeMan>but thats a good point... how can a DMA-system ( direct ) access a RAM ( random )?
01:08<De_Ghosty>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access
01:08<De_Ghosty>As an example, on a modern AMD Socket AM2-based PC, the southbridge will forward the transactions to the northbridge (which is integrated on the CPU die) using HyperTransport, which will in turn convert them to DDR2 operations and send them out on the DDR2 memory bus. As can be seen, there are quite a number of steps involved in a PCI DMA transfer; however, that poses little problem, since the PCI device or PCI bus itself are an order of magnit
01:08<De_Ghosty>might be right
01:10<AgentLeMan>De_Ghosty, petern, wasnt though referring to pc-hardware ;o) ( at least, i dont think so )
01:11<De_Ghosty>that is exactly what it is
01:11<De_Ghosty>[00:24:46] <@petern> doesn't pci support bus mastering and talking to memory directly?
01:11<De_Ghosty>[00:25:26] <@petern> what are the implications of that if the memory controller is built into the cpu?
01:11<AgentLeMan>you could see it that way, yes.
01:11<De_Ghosty>it work the same way
01:11<AgentLeMan>but if you link that to our former context....
01:15<De_Ghosty>oh
01:16<De_Ghosty>he was just spilling his thoughts
01:16<De_Ghosty>my reply seems appropritate
01:16<AgentLeMan>great... and i thought since that, how it relates to our former topic °sighs°
01:16<AgentLeMan>then yours was .yes.
01:23<AgentLeMan>however...
01:24<AgentLeMan>that means, i didnt get at all a reply to what i was writing, which is kinda sad.
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01:40<@petern>De_Ghosty, thanks
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04:06<CIA-5>OpenTTD: translators * r14624 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/malay.txt: -Add: stub for Malay.
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04:24<planetmaker>morning
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06:19*Celestar finds it funny that the BMW 335d is a "Green Car" in the USA (=
06:21<ccfreak2k>Legal definitions have that effect.
06:21<Gekz>McDonalds is patenting sandwich creation
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06:22<appe>wait what
06:22<@Celestar>however, basically all European Diesels will not meet most of the emmission targets of the USA
06:22<AgentLeMan>they have targets in the u.s.?
06:22<@Celestar>AgentLeMan: very stringent ones actually
06:23<@Celestar>especially when it comes to Soot and NOx
06:23<appe>http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=WO&NR=2006068865&KC=&FT=E
06:25<AgentLeMan>°snickers° why would i use a carsecuritycompany with the name "asstel"?
06:26<AgentLeMan>uhm.. carinsurance i meant.
06:28<ccfreak2k>Better than Premiums-R-Us I guess.
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06:31<AgentLeMan>with asstell you get a sticker for your car which says "asstel : we cover your back" plus a phonenumber under it
06:40<Jango>Celestar, what is the target?
06:40<Jango>measured in CO2 emissions?
06:41<@Celestar>Jango: it highly depends on the state, I don't have the CO2 data here.
06:42<@petern>so many strigent emission targets, and yet they all (heh) drive gas guzzling suvs...
06:42<Jango>in the uk, it seems "acceptable" to have CO2 under 150 or so
06:42<@Celestar>CO2 is not the only kind of emmision we have
06:42<Jango>i don't think we do anything else :D
06:42<Jango>we're not very scientific
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06:43<@Celestar>150 g/km is rather low in real driving conditions
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06:43<@petern>is that the us limit?
06:43<Jango>yeah, the optimum on my 2.0L diesel is 143 g/km
06:43<@Celestar>Jango: is that what's in the papers, or is that what you actually do?
06:43<Jango>papers
06:44<@Celestar>heh..
06:44<Jango>but, that's good enough for me ;) keeps me paying less in tax
06:44<@Celestar>I'm somewhat below 140g/km in the papers.
06:44<@Celestar>but not in real conditions.
06:44<@Celestar>around 160g/km there
06:44<@petern>hmm, dunno what mine is, i run on lpg
06:44<Jango>in the uk, tax is based on CO2
06:45<Jango>petern, is it easy to get fuel
06:45<Jango>>
06:45<Jango>?
06:45<@Celestar>I want/need a car that has a range of at least 800km
06:45<@petern>fairly
06:45<AgentLeMan><<< 2g/km ( no car )
06:45<@Celestar>AgentLeMan: how do you get around?
06:45<Jango>Celestar, do you like Top Gear?
06:45<AgentLeMan>Celestar, by foot
06:45<@Celestar>Top Gear?
06:45<Jango>UK motoring TV programme
06:46<Jango>on Sunday they did "long range" cars
06:46<@Celestar>most of my distances are not walkable
06:46<Jango>Basle -> Blackpool on one tank
06:46<@Celestar>how far is that?
06:46<Jango>i think that's ~700 miles
06:46<@petern>750-800 miles i think it was
06:46<Jango>depending on route
06:46<@petern>over mountains
06:46<@petern>stuck in queues
06:47<Jango>the Jaguar was the best out of the 3
06:47<@petern>mainly cos it had a massive tank
06:47<@Celestar>hm ..
06:47<Jango>indeed
06:47<@Celestar>I can do around 700 miles on our 530d
06:47<@Celestar>if i stretch it
06:47<Jango>my top is 500 miles
06:48<@Celestar>my A180CDI with careful driving does close to 600
06:48<@Celestar>500 in normal driving/conditions
06:48<@petern>what was it? a jaguar xj6 tdi?
06:48<Jango>can't remember the exact model
06:48<@Celestar>a 777LR has a range of close to 18000km :P
06:48<Jango>same engine that they went tearing round the nurburbring in though
06:49<Jango>lol ;)
06:49<Jango>try one of them on the autobahn
06:49<@Celestar>try building a car with a range of 18000km
06:50<@petern>easy
06:50<AgentLeMan>Celestar, easy : cut off the wings of a 777lr
06:50<@petern>it would be quite big
06:50<@Rubidium>http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2157/1651864834_3ff4ecbbf0.jpg <- that one has a range of 18000km
06:50<@Celestar>AgentLeMan: the wings are the fuel tank :P
06:50<@Rubidium>(and more)
06:50<@petern>for the massive tank
06:50<AgentLeMan>Celestar, ARGS, ok, you won °laughs°
06:50<@Celestar>petern: it would be a tanker
06:51<@Celestar>lol
06:51<@Celestar>and even with a 30.000 liter tanker, I'm not sure.
06:51<@Celestar>they need around 40 liters / 100km
06:51<@Celestar>so for 18000 km ..
06:51<@Celestar>ok .. works (=
06:52<Jango>777 is faster
06:52<@Celestar>slighly
06:52<@Celestar>and slightly more comfortable
06:52<@petern>might be a bit expensive to fill up
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06:53<@Celestar>we finally need to get rid of those stupid ICEs for cars
06:53<@petern>boomboomboom?
06:53<Jango>at least you have ICEs
06:53<FauxFaux>The real threat? A FLOATING BOMB.
06:54<Gekz>lol
06:54<AgentLeMan>Celestar, question is.. who cares?
06:54<AgentLeMan>adn who would or could pay for that?
06:54<@Celestar>for what?
06:55<AgentLeMan>ICE-replacement. you were just talking about that
06:55<@Celestar>yes. electric engines
06:55<Brianetta>HST
06:56<Brianetta>Go on
06:56<Jango>lol
06:56<Brianetta>You knbow you want them
06:56<Jango>bring on the HST
06:56<Jango>APT even
06:56<@Celestar>I'm talking about internal combustion engines :S
06:56<Brianetta>no, there's not enough around
06:56<Jango>ah
06:56<Jango>hmm
06:56<Brianetta>DB needs to acquire all the HST stock in the UK
06:56<Jango>DB?
06:56<Brianetta>and perhaps some of the Pacers
06:57<Jango>Deutsche Bahn?
06:57<AgentLeMan>yes, she wrote DB.
06:57*Brianetta looks around
06:57<@Celestar>who is "she" ?
06:57<AgentLeMan>oh please, you dont want to tell me, that... °sighs°
06:58<AgentLeMan>°winks° next thing is, jango wears makeup
06:58<Brianetta>AgentLeWoman
06:58<Jango>maybe in private
06:58<AgentLeMan>it refers more to Mankind, then to Male
06:59<Brianetta>Welcome to the most ambiguous language in Europe.
06:59<AgentLeMan>yip, you can talk it under aswell as on land
06:59<AgentLeMan>uhm
06:59<AgentLeMan>yip, you can talk it under water aswell as on land
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07:03<Jango>do we still have any slam doors?
07:11<Doorslammer>Mk1s? :P
07:20<Gekz>AgentLeMan: why is the degrees symbol on AZERTY keyboards?
07:20<Gekz>where is it actually used in French orthography
07:24<AgentLeMan>why? it°s simply to confuse you.
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07:51<appe>new watch! http://www.tokyoflash.com/pages/000176/images/pic2.jpg
07:52<AgentLeMan>a .. .watch?
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07:57<Brianetta>A niceone
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08:21<Ammler>does someone know "EEP 5.0" ?
08:21<AgentLeMan>railwaysimmulator, i think it was
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08:23<AgentLeMan>wasnt it the one, that got sold in a shiny metalbox?
08:26*Celestar bites into the phone
08:27<AgentLeMan>°note to self "next time dont gift Celestar with phones that look like banananas" °
08:28<@petern>ring ring ring ring?
08:28<@Celestar>no
08:28<@Celestar>colleague trying to install XP on his workstation
08:29<@Celestar>Why is this such a PITA
08:29<AgentLeMan>°laughs, imagining Celestar's belly getting a massage°
08:29<@Celestar>with opensuse, you put in the Boot CD and after about 30 minutes everything is there.
08:30<@Celestar>stupid XP doesn't find a hard disk
08:31<Ammler>windos xp without driver cd needs around half a day.
08:31<@Celestar>only if it finds a HDD.
08:31<Ammler>and you need things like USB sticks etc.
08:31<@Celestar>I don't know why it doesn't find one. and I don't care.
08:31<@Celestar>it's commercial software. He can call MS installation support.
08:32<Ammler>well, you could also use the cd which was shipped with.
08:32<@Celestar>missing identifier after 'with'
08:32<Ammler>then it needs only double the time of suse :-)
08:33<@Celestar>we don't get our PCs shipped with OSes.
08:33<Ammler>if you buy a pc, you ususally have a recovery cd/dvd
08:33<@Celestar>we don't buy PCs with that crap
08:33<Ammler>oh well, then it is a pain.
08:34<@Celestar>it's the most stupid thing there is.
08:34<Ammler>hardware support of windows is like 0 compared to suse (native)
08:34<@Celestar>it takes me HOURS to rid computers of all the software that is installed with the recovery shit
08:34<@Celestar>plus I dunno how it works when you modify the hardware of the computer
08:35<Ammler>I have also no idea, I just know, dell has a good driver db for windows and nice support team.
08:35<@Celestar>the recovery CD of my IBM PC makes a windows installation of FOUR gigabytes.
08:36<@Celestar>FOUR gigabytes for an unsuable PCs.
08:36<Qball>:D
08:36<@Celestar>you can't even read e-mails after that installation
08:36<Ammler>:-)
08:36<Ammler>GMail
08:36<@Celestar>EMAIL
08:36<@Celestar>not web pages
08:36<Ammler>ah :P
08:36<AgentLeMan>°snickers°
08:36<@Celestar>e-mail means IMAPS.
08:37<@Celestar>oh.
08:37<@petern>heh
08:37<@petern>13:33 <@Celestar> we don't get our PCs shipped with OSes.
08:37<@Celestar>you can't even look at PDFs
08:37<@petern>13:33 <@Celestar> we don't buy PCs with that crap
08:37<@petern>13:35 <@Celestar> the recovery CD of my IBM PC makes a windows installation of FOUR gigabytes.
08:37<@petern>so do you or don't you? :p
08:37<@Celestar>petern: "our" == office PCs
08:37<@Celestar>petern: "my laptop" != office PC
08:38<@petern>ah
08:38<@Celestar>and it's a PITA to get a laptop with a proper OS installed.
08:38<Ammler>office pc runs with windows?
08:38<AgentLeMan>this isnt possible.... Celestar, do you have a direct, neuronal link to your pc?
08:38<@Celestar>Ammler: most are dual-boot.
08:38<Ammler>do you need it for gaming?
08:38<@Celestar>nah.
08:39<Ammler>another reason for windows?
08:39<@Celestar>yes.
08:39<@Celestar>CATIA V5
08:39<@Celestar>IBM still didn't manage to release a linux version
08:39<AgentLeMan>°shrugs° nevermind...
08:39<@Celestar>although the native OS it runs on is AIX.
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08:39<@petern>i need windows so that i can connect to ssl-encrypted remote desktop :p
08:40<SpComb>CATIA V5 runs on Microsoft Windows (both 32-bit and 64-bit), and as of Release 18 Service Pack 4 on Windows Vista 64[6]. IBM AIX, Hewlett Packard HP-UX and Sun Microsystems Solaris are supported.
08:40<@Celestar>SpComb: exactly.
08:40<SpComb>solaris!
08:40<@petern>HP-UX!
08:40<@petern>AIX!
08:40<@Celestar>but no linux support.
08:40<@petern>lame
08:40<planetmaker>True64!
08:40<@Celestar>it's apparently too difficult to port something that works on AIX, HPUX and Solaris to linux :P
08:40<Qball>lame? does that run on AIX
08:41<planetmaker>... or IRIX :P
08:41<AgentLeMan>are there any... normal people around?
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08:41<@Celestar>they FINALLY made it to work on vista .. lol
08:41*Qball looks around
08:41<Qball>no
08:41<@Celestar>it took them years :P
08:41<@Celestar>but porting to linux is difficult
08:41*Celestar holds his belly, laughing
08:42<AgentLeMan>°thinks, it must be the bananaphone ringing°
08:45<@petern>well, linux is all open source, they can't possibly use that!
08:47<@Celestar>petern: apparently
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08:47<@Celestar>petern: I'm quite sure it works on OpenSolaris :P
08:48<@petern>nobody uses that ;)
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09:17<@Belugas>Hellooo
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10:41<@Belugas>[08:41] <AgentLeMan> are there any... normal people around? <--- muwhahahaha!!!
10:41<@Belugas>waht a joke :D
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10:41<@Belugas>what
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12:58<@Rubidium>CIA-2, let me guess... you're going to quit due to the fact that you're flooding. Am I right?
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12:58<Patrick>hah
12:59<+glx>not our fault
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13:01<@Belugas>our silence is too loud for CIA-x
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13:03<Prof_Frink>OK, what project just went through a major refactoring?
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13:03<ccfreak2k>Obviously not the CIA project.
13:03<ccfreak2k>Especially the part where it has flood control.
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13:13<goodger-away>hello gentlemen
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13:17<@Belugas>hello ben
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13:18<@Belugas>ho?
13:18<@Belugas>not seen ln around
13:18<@Belugas>6 days ago
13:20<benjamingoodger>eh?
13:21<@petern>the regular, known as ln, is not around.
13:22<benjamingoodger>quite
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13:22<benjamingoodger>would anyone care to explain, very briefly, why these two keep entering and quitting? I understand already that they are bots designed to monitor commits
13:23<SpComb>they're being buggy
13:23<@Belugas>lucky for us :) with his latest infatuation of politeness, he would keep on saluting CIA-x :D
13:24<benjamingoodger>yes, he would
13:24<benjamingoodger>it would probably cause his brain to swell and crack his skull, macbook-battery-style
13:25<@Belugas>CIA-x are bots from an organisation that watches our commits and relay them in our channel.
13:25<@petern>hmm, anyone use code::blocks?
13:25<@Belugas>the fact that they keep on trying to join and fail is probably something on their side
13:26<benjamingoodger>¬.¬
13:26<benjamingoodger>righto
13:26<@Belugas>i would not, Rubidium
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13:26<benjamingoodger>I tried it briefly a few years ago... couldn't see anything wrong with it, but then again, I hadn't yet been exposed to cygwin or indeed gnu/linux
13:37-!-_Lakie_ is now known as Lakie`
13:38<@Belugas>Lakie has just put his hat on
13:38<Lakie`>Well.
13:39<Lakie`>I think th bouncer goofed or something? Lol
13:40<@Belugas>:D
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13:40<Lakie`>I shall poke orudge about it
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13:45<@petern>pah, bouncers
13:45<@petern>how 1990s
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13:47<Wolf01>hello
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13:51<benjamingoodger>http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/78f1579a-bb13-11dd-bc6c-0000779fd18c.html
13:51<George_> Is there anybody here who can compile GRFCodec r2055 for me for WinXP?
13:51<Ammler>George_: I can't but if you like, I can try your nfo here...
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13:54<+glx>George_: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/grfcodec.zip
13:54<+glx>should work
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13:55<George_>glx: Thank you!
13:56<George_>and why is it so big?
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13:57<+glx>not stripped nor upxed
13:58<+glx>updated zip
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14:15<George_>thank you. but the problem remains
14:15<George_>GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r2055E - Copyright (C) 2000-2005 by Josef Drexler
14:15<George_>Encoding in temporary file ECSBasicw.new
14:15<George_>Error: Encountered invalid character looking for literal byte.
14:15<George_> While reading sprite:2780
14:15<George_>Any ideas?
14:17<George_>glx: problem with updated zip. Setup.exe generates error VB40032.dll not found
14:20<frosch123>George_: paste the sprite and the previous and following 5 lines to paste.openttd.org
14:23<George_>frosch123: http://paste.openttd.org/177087
14:26<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r14628 /trunk/projects/generate: -Fix: projects/generate doesn't handle tabs in sources.list properly when determining whether a header is missing.
14:26<frosch123>works for me, using "NFORenum v3.4.6 r1916" and "GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r1655E", resp. it only complains about missing file
14:27<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r14629 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
14:27<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Fix: strgen/strgen.h missing from MSVC project files
14:27<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Fix: welsh missing from MSVC project files
14:29<frosch123>same for "GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r2055"
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14:30<George_>http://george.zernebok.net/temp/wav-problem/
14:32<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r14630 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Add: support Allegro as video backend.
14:36<frosch123>George_: your "/" is weird, deleting it and rewriting makes it work :s
14:37<Eddi|zuHause>lmao :p
14:38<frosch123>hmm, no its not the "/"
14:38<@Belugas>Laughing My Ass Off ???
14:38<frosch123>when I modify the line, it works
14:39<Eddi|zuHause>that's the usual interpretation of that abbreviation, yes
14:39<frosch123>so maybe grfcodec expects linux line breaks there?
14:41<frosch123>yup, with "dos2unix" and "unix2dos" I can convert the .nfo between failing and succeeding
14:42<frosch123>also a tabulator at the end of the line makes it fail :s
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14:47<Eddi|zuHause>time to beat up DaleStan, i suppose :p
14:47<benjamingoodger>bugger, I think I bollocksed my firefox
14:47<frosch123>George_: sorry, seems like grfcodec does not like windows. http://www.math.tu-clausthal.de/~mtce/ottd/ECSBasicw.grf
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14:50<George_>frosch123: which line?
14:51<@petern>allegro backend, heh
14:56<frosch123>George_: http://www.math.tu-clausthal.de/~mtce/ottd/ECSBasicw.nfo <- try to directly safe it on disk, and do not save it with an editor
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15:01<frosch123>when it works you might use stuff like http://www.dos2unix.org/ until someone fixes grfcodec
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15:11<George_>frosch123: Yes, your NFO works well
15:13*benjamingoodger has repaired his firefox
15:13<benjamingoodger>all is good and joyful again!
15:15<benjamingoodger>hmm
15:15<benjamingoodger>is it a good thing that I have invented a new type of bomb?
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15:22<George_>Please, help! I've updated ChatZilla (my IRC client) and now it displays === #openttd.notice You may not change nickname while banned or moderated on a channel (+b/+q/+m) === message 3 times per minute!
15:23<George_>Is there a way to stop it?
15:25<@Belugas>yup.
15:25<@Belugas>that's becasue ypu are in #openttd.notice
15:25<@Belugas>get out of that channel,
15:25<George_>How can I fix it?
15:25<@Belugas>change the nick
15:26<@Belugas>and rejoin
15:26<@Belugas>(works for me... dunno of any other mathod)
15:26<benjamingoodger>*everyone flocks to #openttd.notice to see what it's for*
15:26<Eddi|zuHause>we know what it's for...
15:26*tokai didn't
15:27*benjamingoodger didn't either
15:27<Eddi|zuHause>it's for DorpsGek to tell about commits and fs entries
15:27<benjamingoodger>ah
15:27<Patrick>dorp dorp dorp
15:27<@Belugas>we all know it is for the newest version of Openttd. Notice is the code name of the progject, containing among others, the new map array
15:27<Patrick>I thought commits were dumped into here
15:27<Patrick>but it has been quiet
15:29<George_>Belugas: Thank you, it helped
15:29<@Belugas>you're welcome, George_ :)
15:30<George_>Now I'd like to see Dale to ask to fix GRF codec to work on Win :)
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15:50<+glx>[20:17:29] <George_> glx: problem with updated zip. Setup.exe generates error VB40032.dll not found <-- there's not setup.exe in the zip
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15:51<benjamingoodger>¬.¬
15:51<George_>please repost the link (Confused)
15:51<+glx>http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/grfcodec.zip
15:51<benjamingoodger>btw, if there were a setup.exe, you could fix it by installing VB40032.dll, which is found on all DLL download sites as it's very common
15:52<+glx>VB4 is quite old
15:53<benjamingoodger>I think that's a bit of an understatement
15:53<benjamingoodger>it is 13 years old
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15:56<Eddi|zuHause>that means ist is "seasoned" ;)
15:57<Eddi|zuHause>if software were like wines...
15:58<@Belugas>would we have ice-software??
16:00<George_>glx: Sorry
16:00*frosch123 remembers some old function for CGA cards to disable "snow" :s
16:00*Belugas wants it!
16:00*Belugas wants it!
16:00*Belugas wants it!
16:00<+glx>lol
16:01<Eddi|zuHause>we have nice snow out here ;)
16:01<benjamingoodger>damn you and your snow
16:01<Eddi|zuHause>but they said it's getting warmer
16:01<@Belugas>we do have snow too. would not call it nice
16:01<@Belugas>felt during the night
16:01<@Belugas>yursh
16:01<+glx>hehe
16:02<Eddi|zuHause>well, the difference is that you have snow during more than 3 days per year :p
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16:04<@Belugas>sadly enough, you are rigth
16:05<benjamingoodger>I'd kill to have snow this year
16:05<mrfrenzy>you can come here and take all the snow you want
16:06<mrfrenzy>you don't even have to kill anyone
16:06<benjamingoodger>I suspect my car won't be able to fit enough in
16:07<benjamingoodger>and I can't afford a trip to sweden :(
16:07<mrfrenzy>piggyback on santas reindeers
16:07<benjamingoodger>¬.¬
16:08<@Belugas>they made it mandatory to have winter tires this year. For the first time. You shold see the lineups at the garages
16:08<benjamingoodger>heh
16:08<mrfrenzy>in oregon?
16:08<mrfrenzy>do you even have winter
16:08<@Belugas>do I look like an american ??
16:08<benjamingoodger>in quebec, if I recall correctly
16:08<@Belugas>no offense meant, Dalestan
16:09<@Belugas>yup
16:09<benjamingoodger>heh
16:09<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r14631 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Add: support for Allegro as sound backend.
16:09<mrfrenzy>you're using an oregon server ;)
16:09<benjamingoodger>quebec is on the same latitude as great britain, and hence is really _really_ cold
16:09<mrfrenzy>haha
16:09<@Belugas>remember? Never trust what's been saidf on the Internet
16:09<mrfrenzy>more like rainy
16:10<benjamingoodger>well, great britain is on the same latitude as sweden too
16:10<benjamingoodger>doesn't make sense that we're comparatively warm
16:10<benjamingoodger>sodding ocean currents
16:11<George_>Sometimes I feel very stupid. Like now. The sound problem was my fault, sorry.
16:11<frosch123>does it work with the new grfcodec?
16:15<George_>yes. And it works even in dos mode :(
16:16<George_>My fault was in my comments generator (error in code)
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16:23<planetmaker>question to the devs: there's defined UINT16_MAX, UINT32_MAX,... but no UINT8_MAX. Any reason?
16:24<planetmaker>255 is easy enough to remember, I know though :P
16:24<frosch123>0xFF is even easier
16:24<@petern>0xFFFFFFFF's not hard ;)
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16:25<planetmaker>yeah. But you go lengths to define the other UINT##_MAX...
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16:38<+glx>we probably never needed UINT8_MAX
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16:44*Belugas wonders if we do use hardcoded 0xFF or something alike
16:45<@petern>all over the place
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16:50<planetmaker>glx: I just wanted to use one... and got a compile error :)
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16:51<Ammler>what else then 0xFF can UNIT8_MAX be?
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16:51<+glx>(uint8)-1
16:51<Ammler>could
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16:53*Ammler is just wondering why do you use constants for those?
16:53<planetmaker>readability, Ammler :)
16:56<@Belugas>UNIT8_MAX ?
16:56<@Belugas>silly name
16:57<planetmaker>Belugas: all else is explicitly definied in stdafx.h
16:57<planetmaker>(or provided by default by the compilers / default headers)
16:57<@Belugas>well.. instead of UNIT, at least, i would have called it UINT
16:57<@Belugas>prrrrrrrrt
16:57<planetmaker>at least that's how I understand it.
16:57<planetmaker>:P
16:57<planetmaker>1:0 for you ;)
17:01*Belugas keeps the 1 in reserve for when he will really need it
17:01<@Belugas>a bit is always usefull
17:01*Belugas wants to smoke it
17:02<planetmaker>pah... :) it's worth much more than being smoked! ;)
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17:29<appe>moistured nipple
17:29<appe>oh
17:29<appe>i mean
17:29<appe>hi!
17:29<benjamingoodger>0.ò
17:30<Sacro>the keys are so close together...
17:30<benjamingoodger>yeah...
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17:31<Tefad>what what?
17:31<benjamingoodger>like when I accidentally type "you're a bloody moron" instead of "good afternoon"
17:31<benjamingoodger>such an easy mistake
17:32<Tefad>no one got it. n/m
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17:32<SmatZ>I just know that joke
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17:33<SmatZ>http://bash.org/?5300
17:38<Wolf01>'night
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17:57*benjamingoodger has sent off his university application
17:57<benjamingoodger>wish me luck...
17:57<Sacro>benjamingoodger: which unis?
17:57<benjamingoodger>university of kent
17:58<Sacro>ewww southern
17:58<SmatZ>will you need luck?
18:00<@Rubidium>http://rbijker.net/openttd/dos-attack.png ;)
18:01<Eddi|zuHause>now you're getting crazy :p
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18:03<benjamingoodger>what d'you mean, ewww southern? :P
18:04<Tefad>holy crap openttd in dos?
18:04<benjamingoodger>surely you don't think there are any good universities in the north, besides loughborough and leicester
18:04<Tefad>you using that weird windows wrapper?
18:05<Eddi|zuHause>technically, all you need is a 32bit extension and an sdl port...
18:06<SmatZ>"cygdos"
18:06<Eddi|zuHause>a dos port always ran under the category: "it's possible, but nobody bothered to do it yet"
18:06<benjamingoodger>luck cannot hurt...
18:06<benjamingoodger>my qualifications are inferior up to this point
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18:06<SmatZ>:)
18:06<Eddi|zuHause>why the hell would you need an application for a university?
18:07<benjamingoodger>actually, you don't apply to the university
18:07<benjamingoodger>there's an extra layer of bureaucracy on top of that
18:08<benjamingoodger>and I need to apply to the university in order to make them teach me stuff and give me a degree :P
18:08<Eddi|zuHause>some subjects have a "numerus clausus" in germany, where you need to apply, but not the ones that are cool...
18:09<Eddi|zuHause>most sciences and maths are "just show up on enrollment day, and you are in"
18:10<benjamingoodger>ah
18:10<Eddi|zuHause>the numerus clausus subjects are the ones that are totally overrun anyway, like medicine
18:10<benjamingoodger>aha
18:10<benjamingoodger>well, at least twenty british universities are "totally overrun"
18:10<benjamingoodger>and the rest of the universities cannot be bothered to do anything different
18:11<benjamingoodger>so they all use this stupid system
18:12<benjamingoodger>I got charged £17
18:12<benjamingoodger>it was most annoying
18:12<Eddi|zuHause>for applying?
18:12<benjamingoodger>yes
18:12<Eddi|zuHause>how stupid...
18:12<benjamingoodger>and I will be charged £3500 per year for the course
18:12<benjamingoodger>and a further £130 per week for accommodation
18:12<Eddi|zuHause>i mean i only had to pay the semester fee before my enrollment
18:12<benjamingoodger>and the textbooks will be about £300
18:13<Eddi|zuHause>which was like 40€
18:13<benjamingoodger>really?
18:13<benjamingoodger>good grief
18:13<benjamingoodger>the government gives you a loan to cover all this, of course
18:14<benjamingoodger>but they charge interest
18:14<Eddi|zuHause>wtf?
18:14<benjamingoodger>yeah
18:14<benjamingoodger>student loans --- brilliant
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18:15<benjamingoodger>the average student debt is about £20,000 when leaving university
18:15<Eddi|zuHause>here you get "BAFöG", which means like 350€ - (portion of parents' income), half of it as a gift, and half of it as a interestless loan
18:15<benjamingoodger>we don't have to start paying it off until we're earning £16,000 per year, but we still get charged interest
18:15<Eddi|zuHause>and then you get additional cuts on the loan when you finish fast, or pay everything back at once
18:16<benjamingoodger>finish what fast?
18:16<Eddi|zuHause>studying
18:16<benjamingoodger>ooh
18:16<benjamingoodger>interesting concept
18:17<Eddi|zuHause>but i didn't get a lot of student support, in the beginning it was like 120€ per month, but the next year, my sister finished her education, so the parents' income was divided by less siblings to support
18:17<Eddi|zuHause>so it only warranted like 20€ per month, which you can almost forget...
18:18<Eddi|zuHause>so maybe i owe them 1000€ or something
18:18<Sacro>benjamingoodger: heh, mine is alot already
18:18*Sacro is on his 3rd year
18:19<benjamingoodger>where?
18:19<Sacro>so that's... 7.5k in course fees
18:19<Sacro>Hull :D
18:19<benjamingoodger>ah yes
18:19<Sacro>one of the 3 greats
18:19<benjamingoodger>¬.¬
18:19<Sacro>oxford, cambridge, hull! :D
18:19<Eddi|zuHause>but the iditots of politicians, in their endless greed, cut the law against studying fees
18:20<Eddi|zuHause>not realising that a student who finishes studying will pay back his studying costs in taxes multiple times during his work years...
18:20<Eddi|zuHause>so instead they are driving away poor people from studying
18:20<Tefad>i refuse to get in education in a system where i have to borrow from my future
18:21<Tefad>highly annoying.
18:21<benjamingoodger>that's the spirit!
18:21<SmatZ>Eddi|zuHause: I support your political view
18:21<benjamingoodger>we have kind of a problem in the UK
18:21<Tefad>and saving up for education isn't very great either
18:21<benjamingoodger>_everyone_ can get a degree of some sort
18:21<Eddi|zuHause>well, here they only introduced fees for sudents who take more than 2 years longer than scheduled, but i don't expect that to stay that way
18:21<Tefad>neat
18:21<Qball>I get mails about it daily
18:22<benjamingoodger>whether it's a degree in medicine, or a degree in aromatherapy, you can still get A Degree
18:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r14632 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): -Add: support Allegro as midi backend.
18:22<Tefad>i make enough money to pay rent, therefore the government won't subsidize my education.
18:22<benjamingoodger>which devalues the entire system beyond belief
18:23<Tefad>i'd have to be living below poverty for the government to give me grants
18:23<benjamingoodger>irritating
18:23<benjamingoodger>I'll just end up horrifically in debt
18:24<benjamingoodger>and with a debatably useful degree
18:24<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r14633 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Fix: compile failure when building a debug build without network support.
18:26<benjamingoodger>and that's if the university offer me a place
18:27<benjamingoodger>they may give me a conditional offer, which means I have to achieve certain grades in secondary education in order to get the place
18:27<benjamingoodger>which means it's not possible to just apply and go, I have to apply about 10 months early
18:27<Sacro>i turned up mid september
18:28<benjamingoodger>lucky you...
18:28<benjamingoodger>I imagine my course also will start in mid-september
18:28<benjamingoodger>but I still have to apply now, or earlier
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18:33<appe>WHA
18:34<benjamingoodger>WHO
18:34<benjamingoodger>WHEN
18:34<benjamingoodger>HOW
18:34<benjamingoodger>:P
19:06<benjamingoodger>...ho hum
19:09<benjamingoodger>I have killed the entire room
19:09<benjamingoodger>huzzahs are in order
19:12<Eddi|zuHause>muahahaha.... "5th season of LOST: charlie did not actually die. hurly stashed him for food supply." :p
19:14<benjamingoodger>hehe
19:14<benjamingoodger>must remember to watch the first four at some point
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19:17<Eddi|zuHause>then you have absolutely no clue what i am talking about...
19:18<benjamingoodger>I recall seeing some of it...
19:19<benjamingoodger>was it charlie that got smashed accidentally against the rocks, then?
19:19<Eddi|zuHause>lost is something you have to see all of it... else it can't possibly make any sense
19:20<benjamingoodger>from what I hear, it makes no sense either way
19:21<Eddi|zuHause>that is no contradiction to my statement :p
19:21<Eddi|zuHause>plus, nobody has actually seen all of it yet
19:21<Eddi|zuHause>there are 2 seasons left
19:21<@Rubidium>are you sure?
19:22<Eddi|zuHause>pretty sure ;)
19:22<@Rubidium>that'll probably be two half seasons due to strikes
19:23<Eddi|zuHause>ok, i give you that... the next strike is already on the brink
19:23<Eddi|zuHause>but i believe the next season is already mostly done filming
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19:24*benjamingoodger cannot wait for nip/tuck season 5b
19:24<Eddi|zuHause>and an actors' strike won't affect episodes that are already in post production
19:24<benjamingoodger>what a bloody cliffhanger they put on the end of 5a...
19:24<Eddi|zuHause>and post production is a long queue
19:24<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: are the voice overs or so?
19:24<appe>i cant sleep
19:24<@Rubidium>and what is post production's going on strike ;)
19:24<appe>can someone tuck me in?
19:24*benjamingoodger tucks in appe
19:25<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: afaik the actors are the only ones not yet having agreed to the new deal
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23:01<aronzak>hi
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23:07<aronzak>anyone know how long it might be until 32bpp is ready?
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23:20<+glx>what do you mean?
23:28<aronzak>well, if all of the 32bpp textures replace the old ones, then the project will be completetely redistributable
23:36<+glx>will still need sound replacements
23:37<+glx>btw there are also 8bpp replacements
23:37<+glx>and 32bpp is (and will stay) optional
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