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---Logopened Thu Nov 27 00:00:33 2008
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01:51<dihedral>TMS: here
01:51<dihedral>what you need?
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02:54<@Celestar>ls: .: Cannot allocate memory
02:56<@Celestar>something is _very_ broken
02:56<mrfrenzy>need moar ram
02:57<@Celestar># free -m total used free shared buffers cached
02:57<@Celestar>Mem: 3903 3717 185 0 0 1255
02:57<@Celestar>-/+ buffers/cache: 2462 1441
02:57<@Celestar>Swap: 4102 0 4102
02:57<@Celestar>you think so?
02:58<Gekz>Celestar: it just works
03:02<@Celestar>no, it doesn't :P
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04:31*Celestar gets a 3-month extension for his PhD
04:33<@Rubidium>so you've got 3 months free for finishing cargodest and fixing some bugs?
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04:43<@Celestar>Rubidium: about that :D
04:44<fonso>Hi Celestar. I got a problem with cargodest:
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04:45<@Celestar>fonso: looking
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04:45<@Celestar>fonso: yeah, I messed up crossloading of the latest trunk games.
04:45<fonso>This isn't a trunk game
04:46<fonso>It's a cargodest game from before the latest merge
04:46<@Rubidium>yes.. and the merge added some trunk savegame conversion which makes the cargodest savegames worthless too
04:46<@Celestar>I really have to repair that tomorrow :P
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05:11<dihedral>on the website - would it be possible to have a download page that lists all possible downloads? (e.g. cargodest, stable, nichtly, etc.)
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05:11<@Rubidium>dihedral: there is one
05:12<dihedral>it's not /download (in comparison to /download-stable)
05:13<dihedral>and there is no direct link "downloads"
05:15<@petern>nichtly :o
05:18<@petern>hmm, 22" 1680x1050 with DVI-D for £99...
05:20<@Rubidium>that's not that expensive I reckon, but what's the catch?
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05:28<FauxFaux>TN panel attack.
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05:29<@petern>i'm using an ancient 15" lcd
05:29<@petern>with 120V - 100H viewing angles
05:29<@petern>i doubt a TN will be worse...
05:30<@petern>heh, response time, 30ms
05:30<@Rubidium>that's just quick enough for OpenTTD
05:31<@Rubidium>and 3? ms too slow for TTDP ;)
05:32<@petern>although possibly it might be, as i don't see any 'dithering' effects on this
05:32<@petern>(probably it just does nearest approximation instead)
05:46<FauxFaux>It's probably not that bad, so long as you don't care about the viewing angle too much.
05:47<FauxFaux>Or the colours, or the tearing.
05:48<FauxFaux> is a cheap PVA panel next to a decent one, for reference. ¬_¬
05:50<DASPRiD>or anything else
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06:08<@petern>FauxFaux, it's a monitor... how often do you need to view your monitor from the side?
06:09<@petern>also it's mainly used for programming, heh
06:09*Celestar hands petern a single-line monitor :P
06:10*FauxFaux slouches a lot. :p
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06:14<@petern>as i said, viewing angle on these is 120/100
06:14<@petern>which is pretty abmissal
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06:51<welshdragon>hmm, < fail script (dor raildriver)
06:53<Fantasya>is this C++?
06:53<Fantasya>hmm. long script
06:54<welshdragon>Fantasya, do you know what a raildriver is?
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06:56<welshdragon>and i'm trying to fix the script so it worrks
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07:56<@Celestar>oh man
07:57<@Celestar>since the day I have transferred responsibility for our main file server to our successors, not ONE SINGLE updated has been applied
07:58*Celestar grabs club and walks to admin-cave
08:03<davis->to the batmobile
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08:12<DASPRiD>Celestar, lol
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08:27<@Celestar>heh .. finally. Italy gets a proper airline
08:31<fjb>Now they only need a proper president.
08:33<@Celestar>who needs a proper president?
08:34<@Celestar>a proper airline is more important :P
08:34<@Celestar>it's much nicer to take photos of airlines than of presidents
08:34<Brianetta>seen on airliner, seen 'em all
08:34<Brianetta>It's not like they make them to stand out
08:35<Brianetta>Now, if they looked like the futuristic aircraft in TTD...
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09:44*Celestar shakes his head in disbelief
09:49<@Belugas>[08:34] <@Celestar> it's much nicer to take photos of airlines than of presidents <--- lines in the air?? Or airlineRs maybe ?
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09:52*Celestar bangs head repeatedly against a wall.
09:53<@Belugas>ho... looks like fun!
09:53<@Celestar>$BOSS just wrote an e-mail. Basically saying "Here's an invitation for a conference which I've had for some weeks. I somehow forgot to forward it to you, but please send an abstract. Slight problem: Deadline is tomorrow"
09:53*Belugas does the same!!
09:54<@Belugas>it is uncommun in your world? that's my daily ration!
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10:12<@Celestar>Belugas: deadline _tomorrow_ is uncommon.-
10:13<@Celestar>Belugas: usually I have like 48 hours
10:13<@Rubidium>Celestar: hop on a plane to the far west
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10:14<@Belugas>Celestar, you ARE a lucky man
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10:15<@Celestar>Belugas: I usually have 48 hours for tasks that would take about 120 hours ...
10:15<@Celestar>24 hours is a new challenge
10:15*Celestar goes copypasting from old abstracts/papers
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10:22<@Celestar>DB did it again
10:22<@Celestar>on Jan 23, I wanna to go Hamburg, going back the 25th.
10:22<@Celestar>two adults
10:23<@Celestar>Train 2nd class: 420 EUR, Train 1st Class 290 EUR, Flight: 205 EUR
10:23<thingwath>first class cheaper?
10:25*petern cries
10:25<@Celestar>petern: ?
10:25<@petern>i can't get ms ts to see my openssl cert
10:27<@Celestar>so what would the reason be for going 2nd class?
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10:28<thingwath>anti-elitism :o)
10:29*Belugas sends glasses to petern's ms ts
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10:30<@Celestar>thingwath: :P
10:32<@petern>i have a fresh mug of tea
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10:36<@Celestar>thingwath: yet the flight is cheaper. and the train is slow .
10:38<@Celestar>5.5 hours
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10:40<thingwath>5.5 hours isn't slow :-)
10:43<Eddi|zuHause>it is, when the flight only takes half the time ;)
10:44<Ammler>don't forget the check-in times
10:44<Eddi|zuHause>i don't...
10:44<@Celestar>neither do I
10:44<Eddi|zuHause>it's still faster
10:44<@Celestar>flight time is 65 minutes
10:45<thingwath>to Hamburg from where?
10:45<Eddi|zuHause>from München, obviously ;)
10:46<@Celestar>it's about 800 Rail-km.
10:46<thingwath>And you call that slow :-)
10:46<@Celestar>about 410 of which are high-speed track. (280-300km/h)
10:47<Eddi|zuHause>well, it should be faster than to berlin ;)
10:47<@Celestar>thingwath: it's an average of 145km/h. Not THAT great for a train that has a Vmax of 330km/h
10:47<@Celestar>Eddi|zuHause: it's the same time.
10:47<thingwath>I travel 5.5 hours home, and it's just 300 rail kilometers :-D
10:47<@Celestar>5.5 to Berline, 5.5 to Hamburg
10:47<@Celestar>Berlin being about 580 rail km.
10:47<Eddi|zuHause>Celestar: not when you don't have any ICE-T to use ;)
10:48<@Celestar>one hour Munich-Nuremburg (180km), one hour Leipzig-Berlin (170km). 3.5 hours Nuremburg-Leipzig (220km).
10:48<@Celestar>Eddi|zuHause: quite some are in-service agaim.
10:48<@Celestar>Eddi|zuHause: I've seen two yesterday.
10:48<@Celestar>with passengers in them :P
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10:50<Eddi|zuHause>well, it gets about time they finish that new track via erfurt
10:51<Eddi|zuHause>should cut those 3.5h to something like 2h
10:51<@Celestar>1:39 (theoretically)
10:51<@Celestar>one hour Nuremburg-Erfurt. 39 minutes Erfurt-Leipzig.
10:51<Eddi|zuHause>well, considering that they started 15 years ago ;)
10:51<@Celestar>then about 25 minutes layover in Leipzig for no apparent reason.
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10:52<Eddi|zuHause>i'm still wondering whether they'll actually divert any ICE via Halle instead of Leipzig
10:52<@Celestar>I'm wondering about having Erfurt-Berlin direct trains (via Halle)
10:52<@Celestar>er ..
10:53<@Celestar>Eddi|zuHause: considering that Halle-Bitterfeld is slow as hell ...
10:53<Eddi|zuHause>i'm assuming they'll route most freight trains through Halle
10:53<thingwath>by slow as hell you mean...? :-)
10:53<Eddi|zuHause>and they wanted to build a new shunting yard on the area of the old freight station
10:54<@Celestar>thingwath: 17 minutes
10:54<Eddi|zuHause>Celestar: Halle-Dessau was once the fastest track in eastern germany ;)
10:54<Eddi|zuHause>because it was a test track for higher speed carriages
10:54<@Celestar>thingwath: it's about 25km of basically straight and level track
10:55<Eddi|zuHause>they did already put in high speed switches in bitterfeld station
10:55<@Celestar>the fastest in Germany.
10:55<@Celestar>230km/h on the splitting track.
10:55<@Celestar>or was it 200?
10:56<Eddi|zuHause>something like that, yes...
10:56<Eddi|zuHause>and then continuing with a 160km/h track :p
10:56<@Celestar>I think they have 8 motors for the main switch ...
10:56<thingwath>160 km/h is max speed here, and only on few tracks... :-)
10:56<@Celestar>thingwath: where are you? Albania?
10:57<thingwath>Czech republic :-D
10:57<@Celestar>I see
10:57<@Celestar>the AGV is currently in CZ for test runs
10:58<@Celestar>thingwath: FAST is Frankfurt-Airport to Siegburg
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10:58<@Celestar>37 minutes.
10:59<Eddi|zuHause>i'd assume the only track viable for high speed travels in czechia is the international route Dresden-Prag-Wien...
10:59<@Celestar>Eddi|zuHause: a 300km/h track from Dresden to Prag is under consideration apparently
10:59<@Celestar>I've got to go
10:59<@Celestar>cu tomorrow
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10:59<Eddi|zuHause>well, considering that the track was practically destroyed during the 2002 flood...
11:00<thingwath>our government will spend billions for overpriced highways, but never on high speed rail, it's considered just a sci-fi, here (even though studies show it wouldn't be more expensive than the highways)
11:00<thingwath>practically destroyed? :-)
11:01<Eddi|zuHause>well... imagine a river with a century-flood... then imagine a railway track along that river...
11:01<Eddi|zuHause>guess what happens...
11:02<thingwath>the track was quite OK, after the flood
11:04<Eddi|zuHause>the track was completely closed for half a year
11:04<Eddi|zuHause>and it was the top priority to reopen that track, ignoring most of the other infrastructure that was destroyed back then
11:05<thingwath>it's built on solid rock :-)
11:08<thingwath>At least czech part wasn't closed for very long (and there is second track on the other bank)
11:10<Eddi|zuHause>i assume the damages got bigger the closer you get to Dresden
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11:11<thingwath>quite possible, from Děčín to Bad Schandau (and Dresden) it's very narrow valley and track is very close to water
11:16<thingwath>never mind, even 100 km/h would be large upgrade on routes I use most frequently :-D
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13:40<CIA-1>OpenTTD: glx * r14638 /trunk/src/saveload.cpp: -Fix [FS#2430]: don't restore fast-forward when SaveFileDone() callback happens after we returned to the menu
13:43<thingwath>+ next 115 combinations.
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13:46<Wolf01>I always start madness...
13:47<Wolf01>gah... I have some ideas to code and some patches to fix
13:47<Wolf01>and some other patches to sync
13:47<Wolf01>and I don't want to do it
13:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r14639 /trunk/src/lang/ (17 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-11-27 18:48:40
13:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 4 fixed by tucalipe (4)
13:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed by arnaullv (1)
13:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: dutch - 1 fixed, 7 changed by Excel20 (8)
13:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: finnish - 4 fixed by UltimateSephiroth (1), jpx_ (3)
13:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: french - 1 fixed by glx (1)
13:49<Chrill>Swedish wins
13:49*welshdragon did some updates
13:50<+glx><@DorpsGek> welsh - 2 fixed by welshdragon (2)
13:50<+glx>yes you did :)
13:51<welshdragon>when was that glx?
13:51<+glx>in #openttd.notice
13:52<+glx>the only place to get full translators commits
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14:01<ccfreak2k>I might disconnect and rejoin several times in the next few minutes.
14:02<ccfreak2k>Preferrably it should only happen once, but I might fuck up.
14:02<welshdragon>ccfreak2k remove any autojoins :)
14:04<ccfreak2k>Wish me luck.
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14:18<appe>i did something major.
14:18<appe>you know the map i was working on?
14:18<appe>i had like 80 trains on a single line with signals
14:18<appe>i accidently changed all the tracks to tracks without signals
14:18<appe>and 80 trains died.
14:19*appe didnt save.
14:19<welshdragon>hmm, can scenarios be upgraded from 0.6.x to nightly?
14:20<SmatZ>all (well, most of) OTTD savegames should be able to load in newer versions
14:21<SmatZ>but there is not easy way back
14:22<ccfreak2k>Usually you can just load them in the nightly, unless some big change to save files has been made.
14:22<welshdragon>it could be tib's patch pack
14:24*ccfreak2k contributed to the patch pack.
14:26<welshdragon>the savegame i'm trying works in 14468, but not in 14000
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15:07<yorick>since the gui rewrite, the current_selected of the client list gets initialized to 0 instead of 255 ;)
15:07<yorick>which means the first client is always selected
15:07<yorick>(when opening)
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17:19<benjamingoodger>that was the only thing anyone's said for 130 minutes
17:19<benjamingoodger>where's everyone gone?
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17:21<dihedral>hello TMS
17:21<dihedral>you read my post i take it
17:22<TMS>I suppose you've been waiting for me...
17:22<TMS>I did indeed.
17:22<dihedral>no - i am always online :-P
17:22<TMS>oh. well...
17:22<TMS>in that case...
17:22<benjamingoodger>life! at last
17:22<TMS>your software fails me.
17:22<TMS>or perhaps I am failing it?
17:23<dihedral>where are you trying to set it up?
17:23<welshdragon>benjamingoodger, you missed yorick then
17:24<welshdragon>he spoke at 20:07
17:24<dihedral>i geta 404 there
17:24<benjamingoodger>yes, that was 130 minutes before 22:17
17:24<TMS>dihedral, question
17:25<TMS>"however, if you have setup openttd with bind_ip, openttd will only listen to connections to that ip!" <-- Were you referring to openttd in the PHP code or openttd.cfg?
17:25<TMS>this was in your forum post
17:25<dihedral>yes - openttd.cfg
17:25<TMS>oh, and the actual link is:
17:25<dihedral>network section as a bind_ip (or along those lines at least)
17:26<TMS>server_bind_ip =
17:26<dihedral>the timeout is too low
17:26<TMS>Should I delete that line?
17:26<dihedral>now - that is fine
17:26<dihedral>set it to 5 seconds for now
17:27<dihedral>or dont change the timeout at first
17:28<TMS>how do I set the timeout in the code again?
17:28<dihedral>TMS: can you post the contents of that example.php to
17:28<TMS>oh, sure.
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17:29<benjamingoodger>welshdragon: have you finished hmming yet?
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17:29<welshdragon>benjamingoodger, never!
17:29*welshdragon bed
17:29<benjamingoodger>good night
17:30<Eddi|zuHause>not everybody has enough time to waste to watch this channel 24/7
17:31<dihedral>TMS: is it the same host?
17:31<benjamingoodger>Eddi|zuHause: I find that sentence to be incredibly offensive
17:31<dihedral>i.e. the php script and the openttd server
17:31<benjamingoodger>I don't think you even realised what you said
17:31<TMS>dihedral, no.
17:32<Eddi|zuHause>no, i did mean that to be offensive.
17:32<benjamingoodger>oh, ok
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17:33<dihedral>please check the firewall for outgoing connections on that machine
17:33<dihedral>also check the OpenTTD server's firewall
17:34<dihedral>(for incoming connections this time)
17:34<dihedral>pay attention to the udp ports
17:34<TMS>I was playing with people in Romania and Russia on this server for 5 hours without interruption earlier today...
17:34<TMS>and the firewall on the outgoing machine?
17:34<TMS>It's a server hosted by GoDaddy...
17:35<dihedral>try to query the host "" or ""
17:35<dihedral>incoming connection on the opentt server is probably fine
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17:36<dihedral>but outgoing (from the webserver)
17:37<dihedral>or anything else between the openttd server and the web server is blocking the udp request
17:37<TMS>connection timed out #0 /home/content/t/h/e/theswordsman/html/ottdlib/includes/OpenTTDLib.php(1589): OpenTTDLib->checkTimeout() #1 /home/content/t/h/e/theswordsman/html/ottdlib/includes/OpenTTDLib.php(1632): OpenTTDLib->waitForServerResponse() #2 /home/content/t/h/e/theswordsman/html/ottdlib/example.php(16): OpenTTDLib->queryServer('ps.openttdcoop....', 3979, 1) #3 {main}
17:38<TMS>dihedral: how do I remedy *that* kind of error?
17:38<dihedral>the error is not the script
17:39<dihedral>as the above link shows, openttdlib is fully capable of connecting to your openttd server
17:39<dihedral>the issue is the connection between your webserver and your openttd server
17:40<TMS>I understand
17:40<dihedral>either the webserver itself has a firewall that does not allow that kind of connection to be made, or something between the 2 servers
17:40<dihedral>do you have shell access?
17:40<TMS>no I do not.
17:40<dihedral>(to the webserver)
17:40<TMS>I'm about ready to get off the computer for now.
17:40<dihedral>yeah - same here
17:41<TMS>and stop worrying about this, seeing as this is a stupid problem.
17:41<TMS>I'll find a way at some point.
17:41*TMS is out.
17:41<dihedral>TMS: i was hoping at some point to start a webservice
17:41<dihedral>i will let you know once it's up
17:43<dihedral>i.e. nothing more than a little xml fetched via http
17:43<dihedral>i am off too
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