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---Logopened Sun Nov 30 00:00:38 2008
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05:11<Alberth>good morning
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06:21<Yorick>Fantasya: why would you leave and rejoin?
06:21<Patrick>network problems?
06:22<Eddi|zuHause>[30.11.2008 11:59] --> Yorick hat den Kanal betreten (
06:22<Eddi|zuHause>[30.11.2008 11:59] <-- Yorick hat den Server verlassen.
06:22<Eddi|zuHause>[30.11.2008 12:04] --> Yorick hat den Kanal betreten (
06:22<Eddi|zuHause>so... what was the question again?
06:23<Yorick>I switched terminal
06:26<Yorick>he left, I quit ;)
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06:27<Eddi|zuHause>[30.11.2008 12:16] <-- Fantasya hat den Kanal verlassen.
06:27<Eddi|zuHause>same thing
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06:29<Yorick>Server != Kanal ;)
06:29<Ammler>Eddi|zuHause: server != channel :P
06:29<Ammler>morning all, btw.
06:29<Eddi|zuHause>well... anyway... why do you care?
06:29<Yorick>it's polluting my screen :p
06:31<Eddi|zuHause>that problem is typically met by /ignore yorick
06:32<@Rubidium>well... actually not because to solve the problem one should start ignoring Eddi|zuHause and Ammler too
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06:32<@Rubidium>and now technically me too
06:32<Eddi|zuHause>ok... better idea... /startddos yorick
06:32<@Rubidium>hmm, can I really ignore myself?
06:33<@Rubidium>no, I can't :(
06:33*Rubidium slaps his IRC client ;)
06:33<Eddi|zuHause>depends on your level of schitzophreny ;)
06:33<Ammler>[12:33] [Ignore] Added Ammler!* to your ignore list.
06:33<Yorick>"Ignoring ALL from Yorick"
06:33*Yorick slaps irssi
06:34<@Rubidium>Ammler: but are you seeing what you've said to the channel? If so, then your IRC client's broken too
06:34<Ammler>test :-)
06:34<Ammler>bugreport then?
06:34<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: technically, /ignore should only hide stuff that COMES from the channel
06:35<Eddi|zuHause>the things you say are stored locally, the client never recieves its own packages
06:35<Yorick>doesn't it?
06:35<Eddi|zuHause>you notice that especially when sending something to a moderated channel
06:35<Ammler>to solve that, you should use 2 clients, one for writing and another one for reading...
06:35<Eddi|zuHause>the text you write still gets written in the channel window
06:36<Eddi|zuHause>even though it never arrives at the channel
06:36<@Rubidium>not when you IRC with telnet and disable echoing
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08:05<DJNekkid>hi guys. any action?
08:06<Eddi|zuHause>i can't think of a response that would be appropriate at this hour...
08:07<DJNekkid>middle of the day on a sunday(atleast for us europeans) :)
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08:09<DJNekkid>anyway ... should i make a flyspray-entry on this post?
08:13<frosch123>"Did you really test it sometime? I just had a quick try and it doesn´t seem to work as intended. I´ll investigate further." <- always those TTDP discussions in OTTD forum :p
08:20<frosch123>but yes, generally a flyspray entry is always useful
08:21<DJNekkid>well, that michal have to take on his robe, but i'll make an entry then
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08:30<DJNekkid> then :)
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11:35<Aali>why are the MSVC project files set to favor small code over fast code?
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11:42<Eddi|zuHause>maybe management decided that the hosting costs for big files weight more than potential runtime effectivity gains on the user's side
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11:45<Aali>the compile farm doesn't use MSVC as far as i know
11:47<+glx>it does
11:48<Aali>apparently, yes
11:48<Aali>then how come it makes larger binaries than i do with my copy of MSVC?
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11:59<Aali>a quick and very unscientific test also reveals that an average nightly release becomes about 40k bigger when you favor speed over size
11:59<Aali>which of course adds up to something more significant over X downloads
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12:08<Ammler>Aali: nightlies are debug builds, afaik.
12:08<Aali>that would make them huge
12:08<Aali>and really slow
12:09<Aali>might be a different version or something, they're only off by 100k
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12:13<Eddi|zuHause>static vs. dynamic linking affects binary size
12:14<Aali>sure, but what do they link into the nightlies that i dont?
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12:53<Fantasya>good day
12:53<Fantasya>how to make host file rewriter virus? :D
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12:55<Aali>you're in the wrong channel for that
12:55<Aali>and its incredibly stupid
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13:04<Aali>oh and there's a missing double quote in the latest webtranslator update, croatian.txt, line 1340
13:05<Fantasya>Aali, can you explain it? :D
13:06<Aali>Fantasya: yeah, sure, here's a good explanation: you don't need nor want one and neither does anyone else
13:06<Aali>so just don't do it
13:09<+glx>Aali: complain to the translator :)
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13:10<Aali>glx: I would if I could get in touch with him, but I can't even figure out how to get a list of translators working on a language
13:10<+glx>I can't either
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13:25<Eddi|zuHause>svn blame and then look at the commit message?
13:25<frosch123>[Sat Nov 29 2008] [19:47:17] <DorpsGek> croatian - 163 fixed, 30 changed by knovak (193)
13:25<frosch123>^^ easier
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13:26<+glx>but that doesn't tell how to contact him :)
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13:27<Sacro>@seen LadyHawk
13:27<@DorpsGek>Sacro: LadyHawk was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 2 hours, 12 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <LadyHawk> would remove the possible station range grid confusion
13:27<Sacro>not seen her in aaaaaaaaaages
13:29<Eddi|zuHause>i fear that wt2 lacks user feedback functionality (like flyspray)
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13:43<@Rubidium>WT2 lacks more than user feedback
13:43<@Rubidium>though the quote should be fixed with the next flush of WT2
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r14645 /trunk/os/debian/rules: -Fix [FS#2431]: Debian packaging rules could use a non-existing makefile target when rerunning it with dpkg-buildpackage
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r14646 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-11-30 18:46:24
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: esperanto - 4 fixed by Athaba (4)
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changed by SuomiPoika (1)
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: indonesian - 16 fixed, 4 changed by fanioz (20)
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: korean - 1 fixed by dlunch (1)
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: lithuanian - 57 fixed, 20 changed by Enternald (77)
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19:26<nicfer>airport noise finished???
19:27<nicfer>roadmap for 0.7.0 says so
19:27<Eddi|zuHause>it's in trunk for months
19:27<Chrill>where's an 0.7.0 roadmap, that is?
19:27<Eddi|zuHause>might need some balance tweaks, though
19:28<Eddi|zuHause>there's not really a roadmap
19:28<Chrill>thankoo nicfer :)
19:31<nicfer>the roadmap for 0.8.0 says that it's complete :)ç
19:31<Chrill>New AI would be quite awesome, how's the status on that?
19:31<nicfer> The total readiness percentage of this roadmap is 100%
19:31<Aali>NoAI is coming along pretty well
19:32<Aali>AdmiralAI does all but ships, and other AI's do that
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19:32<Aali>so it's already far superior to the original AI
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19:33<nicfer>hmmm, wasn't NoAI limited to road vehicles?
19:33<nicfer>or did that change?
19:33<Aali>that was a while ago :)
19:34<Aali>it does trains now and it does it pretty well
19:34<@Rubidium>it has been supporting aircraft for eons already
19:35<nicfer>ships are a nightmare right?
19:35<welshdragon>when's 0.7.0 going to be released>
19:35<Aali>the NoCab AI does ships
19:35<Aali>not perfect, but it works
19:36<nicfer>0.7.0 will be released the same day than duke nukem forever
19:36<nicfer>is that going even to be released?
19:36<@Rubidium>rvs for ~20 months, ships+aircraft for ~15 months and trains for 2 months
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19:40<nicfer>hmmm, are there enough bugs in 0.6.3 for allowing a 0.6.4 to be created?
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19:48<+glx>it will just a bug fix if it happens (so no new features)
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