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---Logopened Thu Dec 25 00:00:28 2008
00:48<SpComb^>the logs are down for the inmitent future because of someone's incompetence
00:49<SpComb^>there's probably a loose netwrok cable somewhere or somethning, or then the machine is broken
00:51<mincepie>merry christmas.
00:53<SpComb^>yeah, christmas holidays and there's nobody there etc
00:53<mincepie>interesting theory, however
00:53<SpComb^>then there's a power outage, everything falls apart completely (for the fourth time this year)
00:54<mincepie>how do you propose a cat5e/6 plug may disconnect itself from its socket? ;)
00:54<SpComb^>I have no clue, but I haven't hearrd anything, I'm just assuming
00:54<SpComb^>I'm not at home, so I'm busy mostly ignoring it
00:56<mincepie>I very much enjoy the idea that facebook want me to tell them whether I like or dislike individual banner ads
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01:40<domokun>For any given item of cargo, does the timer for days spent in transit start as soon as the cargo is loaded into the vehicle, or does it start as soon as the vehicle leaves the station?
01:51<@Rubidium>I think it's the latter, but I'm far frm sure
01:52<domokun>OK, thanks
02:17<De_Ghosty>like 80%
02:17<De_Ghosty>cuz some vheical spent all year in a station waiting
02:18<domokun>thank you too
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04:13<Forked>ever notice how there are never enough pictures of cats on the internet?
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04:34<Eddi|zuHause>wow. that is easily the most profound sentence i heard the entire day
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06:11<Gekz>no u
06:17<roboboy>mines nearly over
06:21<Brianetta>all 12 days?
06:22<roboboy>or atleast my xmas day
06:23<yorick>we have 2 xmas days :)
06:29<svippery>Have anyone designed the TGV for OTTD?
06:30<Gekz>probably not
06:30<roboboy>32BPP or old style?
06:30<roboboy>I think there is one in a grf set somewhere
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06:32<yorick>tgv_atlantique.grf or something?
06:33<roboboy>or a country set
06:34<planetmaker>svippery: use the 2cc train set
06:35<planetmaker>it has tgv altantique and some others, including ice, thalys...
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10:35<Wolf01>hello :O
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13:29<Eddi|zuHause># Und der Mäckie
13:29<Eddi|zuHause># hat ein Messer
13:29<Eddi|zuHause># doch das Messer
13:29<Eddi|zuHause># sieht man nicht
13:30*mincepie has received a bag of popcorn as tall as he is, but may need to brief some elderly relatives on inflation
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13:33<Eddi|zuHause>that's easier for my relatives, because the printed value halved anyway ;)
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13:37<mincepie>it's not that I resent being given £5 for christmas, it's just that I've been getting £5 every year since my birth in 1990, and inflation means this is now worth about 55% as much as it was then
13:38<mincepie>though my grandmother has been giving my father £5 since 1951. I suppose he's a bit worse off
13:39<Eddi|zuHause>my grandparents have lived through more currencies, they probably do understand the effect of inflation :p
13:39<Eddi|zuHause>and also that the children need more money anyway as they got older
13:41<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not really sure about the values, but i think i got 50€ for christmas, and another 20€ for showing up at them today ;)
13:41<mincepie>oh, if you'll excuse me, I must go and iron this shirt
13:41<Eddi|zuHause>no, that is not excusable
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13:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r14741 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
13:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-12-25 18:48:16
13:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 144 fixed, 3 changed by khaloofah (147)
13:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: indonesian - 74 changed by fanioz (74)
13:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: thai - 104 fixed, 38 changed by chat9780 (142)
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14:03<planetmaker>yipieh. I can get OpenTTD eat 100% of a core eternally.
14:03<Eddi|zuHause># Petrus ging nicht übern See
14:04<Eddi|zuHause># Nein, er schwamm drüber
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14:33<dihedral>now that the game supports 255 clients
14:33<dihedral>will 'we' find a new way of downloading the map?
14:33<dihedral>perhaps in a way that multiple clients can download simultaneously ?
14:36<Eddi|zuHause>you just have to pipe the same savegame to them
14:36<Eddi|zuHause>and then unpause when the second client got it
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14:52<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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15:31<Armon>Hi, all.
15:32<Armon>I have a problem with OpenTTD and already checked the wiki. Whenever I start multiplayer, it starts downloading pretty fast, but *always* somewhere between 120-160kB downloaded (of say, 400-500kB), it continuously slows down to a virtual stop.
15:32<Armon>I've now been at 163kB for several minutes, for example.
15:32<Armon>It's been like this for about 2 years and I never bothered trying to fix it, now I'm trying to.
15:33<Armon>This happens regardless of which server I'm trying to connect, and it has happened since 0.5.2, although now I'm using 0.6.3. Ubuntu Linux.
15:33<Armon>Any ideas? Or is this normal, perhaps?
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16:12<SmatZ>Armon: I don't have such problem... I think very few people have
16:12<SmatZ>so it can be considered bug not in OTTD
16:12<Armon>Yeah, looks like it, I can't find anything about it either on the wiki nor the forums.
16:13<Armon>I seem to be the only person in the world with this problem. The weird thing is that it happens to me on multiple installations and networks.
16:13<Nite_Owl>Do all of the networks use the same ISP?
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16:15<Nite_Owl>Hmmm - firewall setting?
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16:16<Armon>Firewall is non-existent. Also, it does connect and download quickly in the beginning, the manual says that to connect to other servers, it's only outbound.
16:16<Armon>But I might be using the same ISP, however.
16:16<Armon>On these different networks that is, I hadn't thought about that. I'll check it out, thanks.
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20:21<Eddi|zuHause>@calc 1e6/70
20:21<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
20:21<Eddi|zuHause>@calc 10**6/70
20:21<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: 14285.7142857
20:22<Eddi|zuHause>@calc 10**6/70/3600
20:22<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: 3.96825396825
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20:46<Eddi|zuHause>merry second christmas day
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20:54<fjb>Thank you. Did OwenS shoot anybody?
20:59<SmatZ>I think he shot himself
20:59<SmatZ>I haven't seen him for ~35 hours
20:59<fjb>That is ok.
21:29<mincepie>any germans about? :S
21:30<Eddi|zuHause>they are obviously all asleep at 3:30
21:31<mincepie>I'm detecting a few small flaws in your argument
21:31<Eddi|zuHause>it's called "irony"
21:31<Eddi|zuHause>i thought you guys invented that :p
21:32<mincepie>no, no, it was pliny
21:32<mincepie>we just got really good at it ^_^
21:32<Eddi|zuHause>so... what did you really want to ask?
21:33<mincepie>I wanted to ask whether "e.schweizerbart sche verlagsbuchhan" was a name, a name and a company name, a company name, or what
21:33<mincepie>oh, sorry, it's verlagsbuchhandlung
21:33<Eddi|zuHause>err... sounds like there are some letters missing
21:33<mincepie>sodding deutsche bank wordwrapped it
21:34<mincepie>ordering party, sorry, is listed as "E.Schweizerbart'sche/ Verlagsbuchhandlung..."
21:34<Eddi|zuHause>"E. Schweizerbart" sounds like a name, as in founder of that "Verlagsbuchhandlung", which then would be a company
21:34<mincepie>I would guess the latter is a company
21:35<mincepie>still can't put "Dear Mr Schweizerbart'sche" owing to gender ambiguity
21:35<mincepie>oh well, "dear sir" will do fine
21:36<Eddi|zuHause>"sche" is a suffix, you should leave that out. and you don't know if the founder is actually still at the company
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>and for future reference, the last part of the word ("Handlung" [something to do with "Handel" == "trade"] in this case) is usually the most generic, the words before that are increasing levels of specification
21:40<mincepie>english does that also, I suppose
21:40<Eddi|zuHause>a "Buch - Handlung" would then be a shop for books
21:40<mincepie>yeah, guessed that ^_^
21:41<mincepie>is that the meat labelling regulator?
21:41<Eddi|zuHause>is a captain, who works for the Donaudampfschifffahrtsgeselschaft
21:41<mincepie>or something
21:42<mincepie>ah, here we are
21:42<Eddi|zuHause>which is a Gesellschaft [something along the lines of "Company"] which deals in Donaudampfschifffahrt
21:43<Eddi|zuHause>Fahrt -- meaning they drive Donaudampfschiffe
21:43<mincepie>I've got "Danube Steamship Company captain"
21:43<Eddi|zuHause>yes, something along that line
21:43<mincepie>interestingly, translating all these very long german words into esperanto makes them even longer.
21:44<mincepie>german efficiency beats all, once again ¬.¬
21:45<Eddi|zuHause>i remember the time when i started to notice that some of the words i use every day are actually made up of smaller components
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21:46<Eddi|zuHause>like "Kindergarten" can be split into "Kinder" [children] and "Garten" [garden]
21:46<mincepie>I'm too tired for a witty retort, but you get the idea
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21:46<Eddi|zuHause>or "Brottasche" can be split into "Brot" [bread] and "Tasche" [bag]
21:47<Eddi|zuHause>that was also the time that i noticed that there were two "t" in "Brottasche" ;)
21:47<fjb_>Here is the link to the Schweizerbartsche Verlagsbuchhandlung:
21:48<mincepie>or "electroencephalography" may be split into "electron", "encephalos", and "graphy", meaning "amber brain drawing"
21:49<Eddi|zuHause>that was not actually a word of every day use when i was 4 :p
21:49<mincepie>hm, you must have gone to a state-funded school
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21:50<Eddi|zuHause>there is actually a children's book which starts along the lines of "My first spoken word was 'Desoxyribonukleinsäure'"
21:51<mincepie>my science teacher was cruelly named David Nigel Adams in the mid-fifties...
21:52<Eddi|zuHause> <- that one i think
21:52<mincepie>let's see how well wikipedia copes with translating from de_WIKIPEDIA
21:53<mincepie>no, google. damn
21:53<mincepie>and it copes appallingly
21:53<Eddi|zuHause>well, the article is about the film to the book
21:54<mincepie>my brain reads poorly understood foreign languages better than bad english
21:54<mincepie>I can only think it's being more open-minded or something
21:55<Eddi|zuHause>that's why germans prefer to not speak german with someone who speaks bad german
21:55<mincepie>very well
21:55<mincepie>familiarity curves and such
21:55<mincepie>oh, I've run out of mince pies.
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22:15<Eddi|zuHause2>i can has timeout?
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22:32<Eddi|zuHause>too late, already got one ;)
22:32<benjamingoodger>yeah, yeah
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22:56<ben|flu>night, svippery
23:00<baudchan>so I am pretty new to openttd, and I am going through the manual and so I've built two bus stations and have two busses running between them. I noticed that one will generate 15 or so passengers while the other collects passengers, and is already in the upwards of 1,000 passengers. Is this supposed to happen? also I've noticed that even though my busses make nearly $4,000 annually I seem to be losing money
23:00<baudchan>$4,000 easily covers the maintenance costs
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23:10<Eddi|zuHause>do not use "transfer" when setting orders
23:10<baudchan>oh lol
23:10<baudchan>and so should I just set it to go there? or drop off and pick up?
23:11<Eddi|zuHause>it will automatically drop off and pick up if it can, no special orders are required
23:11<baudchan>awesome, thanks
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