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01:55 | <gynter> | hello, any ideas why my station transportation changes to accepts wood/no longer accepts in every 2 days past 1 year? |
01:55 | <AngryRhino> | Is it possible the sawmill closed down? |
01:55 | <gynter> | nope |
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01:56 | <AngryRhino> | How close is the station to the sawmill? |
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01:56 | <gynter> | same with gravel and brichworks (PBI and UK industries grf) |
01:56 | <gynter> | next to sawmill |
01:56 | <WhiteRhino> | Hrm. I'm not sure then.. might be part of one of the GRFs you have. |
01:57 | <gynter> | k gona wait a year more, maybe enconomics thing |
01:57 | <WhiteRhino> | Save before you fast-forward if you're planning to. |
01:57 | <gynter> | economics* |
01:57 | <gynter> | its network game |
01:57 | <WhiteRhino> | Oh. |
01:57 | <gynter> | :P |
01:58 | <WhiteRhino> | SOme people can't play network stuff well. >.> |
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02:04 | <Eddi|zuHause> | <gynter> same with gravel and brichworks (PBI and UK industries grf) <- PB Industries have stockpiles, so they cannot accept an unlimited amount of raw materials |
02:05 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so when you are close to the acceptance limit, every time you deliver something, it goes beyond the stockpile, and stops accepting |
02:05 | <gynter> | hmm, might be that problem, gona put more cargo vechiles then :P |
02:05 | <Eddi|zuHause> | then, when the industry produces, the stockpile drops, and accepts again |
02:05 | <gynter> | k, thanks |
02:05 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no, you need a second saw mill, to deliver the spare wood |
02:05 | <gynter> | ah ok |
02:05 | <gynter> | gona build that then :P |
02:06 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the industry will also say low, medium or high production level |
02:06 | <gynter> | says medium for me |
02:06 | <gynter> | sawmill |
02:06 | <gynter> | brickworks is near maximum |
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02:32 | <WhiteRhino> | Damn it. |
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02:32 | <WhiteRhino> | Every time I try to connect to a server game, after a few seconds I get "network disconnected." |
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02:32 | <WhiteRhino> | I can't even watch a game if I want to anymore. |
02:39 | <WhiteRhino> | There it goes again. |
02:42 | <WhiteRhino> | This is pissing me off. |
02:43 | <Forked> | got packetloss? |
02:44 | <WhiteRhino> | I dunno. I was able to play once the day after I downloaded OpenTTD, once for about half an hour the next day.. and every single other time I've tried to connect to play or to watch, it'll load the map, sit there a second or two, then bring me back to the menu. |
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02:53 | <WhiteRhino> | That multiplayer button is becoming the biggest freaking tease.. |
02:54 | <@Rubidium> | WhiteRhino: it's really YOUR internet connection as many people can play OpenTTD without problems |
02:55 | <WhiteRhino> | I know, I know... *grump* Just 'cus it's a problem on my end doesn't make me wish I could play it any less. |
02:55 | <@Rubidium> | and as long as nobody with some coding/network skill can reproduce it and fix it, we can't make it any better |
02:56 | <WhiteRhino> | Allright, I'll clam up about it. =P I get to rambling sometimes. |
02:57 | <Forked> | what does your ISP say? |
02:59 | <WhiteRhino> | I haven't really talked to them. I have in the past for the occasional random cutting off it normally does and they claim it's nothing they're doing, just "noise on the line." |
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03:47 | * | dihedral has a day off today :-) |
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03:58 | <petern> | brrr |
03:58 | <petern> | -10 deg C |
03:59 | <mrfrenzy> | pfft, we ha -22.9 sunday night ;) |
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04:24 | <matias> | mrfrenzy: here was just -10C |
04:25 | <matias> | but my car didn't like it.. need to get a new accu |
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04:27 | <petern> | what's an accu? |
04:27 | <matias> | ah, sorry.. do not know the word.. "battery" |
04:28 | <mrfrenzy> | it's a good idea to test one's battery at the end of summer ;) |
04:29 | <mrfrenzy> | because it's usually the summer heat that kills them, then you get problems when it's cold |
04:29 | <matias> | yes, i know.. |
04:29 | <matias> | it loads on 1 ampere :) |
04:30 | <mrfrenzy> | so it's dead then |
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04:30 | <petern> | still |
04:30 | <mrfrenzy> | if the car didn't start your ammeter on the charger should hit max |
04:30 | <petern> | simpler to fix than other problems... |
04:31 | <mrfrenzy> | indeed |
04:31 | <matias> | unfortunately shops are closed today, but at least i can get the car running.. :) |
04:33 | <matias> | hmm.. at least i learned how to play opentdd yesterday :) |
04:34 | <matias> | i'm getting 600 000 profits now (1953) |
04:35 | <matias> | ok, using pause while thinking |
04:37 | <matias> | why ai is building 2 stations for each resource? |
04:37 | <matias> | because it also builds 2 rail roads i don't think that its getting 2x profit.. |
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04:39 | <mrfrenzy> | the "ai" just isn't very intelligent |
04:40 | <matias> | yes, you can see it when it builds roads and railroads |
04:41 | <mrfrenzy> | for some tips on efficient networks look here http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/OpenTTD and here http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Main_Page |
04:42 | <matias> | you should teach efficient rail roads to ai :) |
04:42 | <mrfrenzy> | more fun to play online with real people ;) |
04:43 | <petern> | finger bethbritton |
04:43 | <petern> | er |
04:43 | <petern> | wrong window |
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05:09 | <canidae> | morning. is "min_players" supposed to work without much more magic than setting it, or am i missing something? i expected it to pause the game when there are less than min_players, although game is never paused (yes, dedicated server) |
05:10 | <canidae> | (running last nightly) |
05:15 | <petern> | min_players is broken currently |
05:16 | <petern> | patch network.min_active_clients works |
05:16 | <canidae> | ah, i couldn't find it in the bug tracker :) |
05:16 | <canidae> | i assume that only cares about clients? |
05:16 | <petern> | i don't know why it was renamed |
05:16 | <petern> | active_clients == players |
05:17 | <petern> | somebody thought players was ambiguous |
05:18 | <@Rubidium> | players were also what's not called companies... and then the question is: is it the amount of companies (players) or the amount of active clients (players) |
05:19 | <canidae> | also, just curious; previous nightly appeared to segfault the game when clicking advanced settings. apparently latest nightly doesn't, but i didn't see anything about it in the changelog. is this correct? |
05:20 | <petern> | you could at least have fixed the aliass |
05:20 | <petern> | -s |
05:20 | <petern> | as it is every server will need to reset the setting because it would've been saved with the old name |
05:21 | <petern> | canidae: r14839 |
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05:21 | <canidae> | ah |
05:22 | <canidae> | it won't show when searching as it's closed in flyspray? |
05:22 | <@Rubidium> | canidae: well... that happens when you search only the opened tasks |
05:23 | <CIA-9> | OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14862 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix (r14421): min_players became min_active_clients, not min_clients |
05:23 | <canidae> | heh... not used flyspray before, familiar with trackers that show every bug per default, regardless of state. although, i should've checked better :) |
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05:23 | <Wolf01> | hello |
05:26 | <+dihedral> | hi |
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06:30 | <TrueBrain> | morning all |
06:30 | <Wolf01> | hello TB! |
06:37 | <@Rubidium> | TrueBrain: good UTC morning to you too ;) |
06:38 | <enra> | damn - i wish it was morning here :s |
06:40 | <TrueBrain> | an UTC morning it is for all of us enra :) |
06:42 | <enra> | utc? |
06:42 | <TrueBrain> | I am making croissants :) Yeah! |
06:42 | <TrueBrain> | I love those things :) |
06:42 | <enra> | oooh croisants! |
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06:46 | <+dihedral> | TrueBrain, got some for me too? |
06:47 | <TrueBrain> | nope; ALL MINE!!! |
06:47 | <+dihedral> | :'( |
06:47 | <+dihedral> | not even a wee bit from the end? |
06:48 | <TrueBrain> | haha, for the last 2 days I have been busy transfering one domain from one register to the other |
06:48 | <TrueBrain> | it finally succeeded |
06:49 | <TrueBrain> | but at the ned I was awaiting approval of the losing registar, something I should be able to do, but I couldn't find anywhere |
06:49 | <TrueBrain> | after a long while I get an email from OpenSRS allowing me to do so ... then you go to that website, and you read this: |
06:49 | <TrueBrain> | "OpenSRS Reseller" blabla "completely invisible for your clients" |
06:50 | <TrueBrain> | well .. not THAT invisible clearly :p Idiots ... |
06:50 | <TrueBrain> | even worse, then you compare the prices they use, and the ones I have been paying at the losing registar ... almost 5 dollar a year of difference ... |
06:51 | <TrueBrain> | sick .. |
06:52 | <TrueBrain> | (for the record, OpenSRS was NOT the name of my losing registar :p) |
06:53 | <petern> | heh |
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07:09 | <Monkeyman1> | hello |
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08:04 | <Fantasya> | Holy crap. My internet owned :DDD |
08:04 | <Fantasya> | ping ~3000 O_O |
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08:05 | <Fantasya> | F***ing supplier |
08:08 | <petern> | did anyone spot any problems with my rv speed patch? |
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08:09 | <@Rubidium> | did anyone except some Japanese test it? |
08:10 | <petern> | hmm? |
08:10 | <petern> | japanese? |
08:12 | <@Rubidium> | http://www.openttd.org/en/server/4938 <- that server uses your patch |
08:12 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14864 /branches/noai/ (16 files in 5 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: introduce a layer-in-between to avoid layer-breaking and move out code from the API to the AI-core (which makes much more sense) |
08:13 | <petern> | really? :o |
08:13 | <@Rubidium> | or at least one very similarly named and looking quite similar |
08:13 | <petern> | but i only posted it here last night |
08:13 | <petern> | "Japenese"? heh |
08:13 | <petern> | how do you know what patches it's running? |
08:14 | <@Rubidium> | google skills ;) |
08:14 | <@Rubidium> | http://cid-1f0f76e100826a89.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/OpenTTD%E9%96%A2%E9%80%A3/ottd999PP/patch|_src |
08:15 | <@Rubidium> | the *007.rar contains your patch |
08:15 | <petern> | :o |
08:15 | <@Rubidium> | hmm... or did I frack up? |
08:15 | <petern> | think so, i don't see it here :) |
08:15 | <petern> | +t |
08:16 | <@Rubidium> | yeah, I did frack up |
08:16 | <@Rubidium> | firefox didn't show it in-browser, thus downloaded it and put it in temp where I extracted the rar at rougly the same time :( |
08:16 | <petern> | ahh |
08:16 | <@Rubidium> | so... it's likely nobody tested it |
08:17 | <petern> | indeed |
08:17 | <petern> | well except me |
08:17 | <petern> | but that's hardly conclusive |
08:20 | <TrueBrain> | commit it, and in less than 6 hours you have a nice test-base |
08:21 | <@Rubidium> | the patch doesn't look obviously wrong though |
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08:23 | <petern> | TrueBrain... true :p |
08:23 | <petern> | trunk is often treated a bit too sacred ;) |
08:25 | <TrueBrain> | very often ;) |
08:26 | <@Rubidium> | thus commit stuff that isn't obviously wrong, but don't commit stuff that's known wrong/bad/incorrect |
08:27 | <TrueBrain> | hahahah |
08:27 | <TrueBrain> | seems like a plan ;) |
08:27 | * | TrueBrain merges NoAI :p |
08:27 | <TrueBrain> | mwhahahahahaha |
08:29 | <@Rubidium> | NoAI has a known issue with threading (IIRC) |
08:29 | <+glx> | only one? |
08:29 | <+glx> | ;) |
08:30 | <TrueBrain> | :) |
08:31 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14865 /branches/noai/src/ai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: move the RegisterAPI to AIInstance (from AIController) |
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08:33 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14866 /branches/noai/src/ai/ (ai_instance.cpp ai_instance.hpp ai_storage.hpp): [NoAI] -Fix: add svn keywords and $Id$ tags to new files |
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08:54 | <@Belugas> | hello |
08:55 | <TrueBrain> | hi Belugas :) :) :) |
08:56 | <@Belugas> | ho.. Mister Croissant cooker :) |
08:57 | <planetmaker> | happy new year everyone! :) |
08:58 | <planetmaker> | Reading through the last week's commits feels like another christmas present :) |
08:58 | <planetmaker> | Two thumbs up! :) |
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09:11 | * | enra stabs his modem repeatedly with a blunt spork |
09:18 | * | qball passes enra an axe |
09:21 | <@Belugas> | and go buy a decent modem afterward ;) |
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09:38 | <TrueBrain> | qball: you know you can get 20 year of jailtime for handling an axe? :p |
09:38 | <TrueBrain> | petern: so when can we expect the rv speed commit? :p |
09:38 | <petern> | never! |
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09:38 | <petern> | doing work @ work right now |
09:39 | <TrueBrain> | never say never :p |
09:39 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14867 /branches/noai/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: make MSVC happy (stupid MSVC :() |
09:39 | <Digitalfox> | A bit late I know, but Happy new year everyone :) |
09:39 | <@Rubidium> | TrueBrain: then why do you say it twice in a sentence? |
09:39 | <TrueBrain> | u2 Digitalfox :) |
09:39 | <petern> | Digitalfox, early, surely |
09:40 | <petern> | 359 days to go... |
09:40 | <TrueBrain> | Rubidium: sigh ................ |
09:40 | <Digitalfox> | Just finished my Just finished my Draughts game in C and it's report =0 |
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09:40 | <Digitalfox> | ops, double finished |
09:40 | <petern> | and it is report? |
09:40 | <qball> | TrueBrain: have so many identities |
09:41 | <qball> | no problem |
09:41 | <TrueBrain> | Draughts? |
09:41 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14868 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_storage.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix: MSVC doesn't understand mixing 'struct' and 'class' .............. (I am running out of words to describe MSVC) |
09:41 | <Digitalfox> | I have to deliver the source code and a report how it was made |
09:41 | <Digitalfox> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draughts |
09:41 | <petern> | oh, "and its report", heh |
09:42 | <TrueBrain> | haha, now I understand it too petern, tnx ;) |
09:44 | <@Belugas> | Digitalfox! Happy new Year to you too |
09:45 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14869 /trunk/src/ (engine_type.h newgrf.cpp roadveh_cmd.cpp): |
09:45 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: -Feature: Allow road vehicles to move multiple steps in a tick (code based on |
09:45 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: train movement code) and add support for RV prop 15. This gives RVs a maximum |
09:45 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: speed of 318mph instead 79mph. This only implements higher speeds, not |
09:45 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: 'realistic acceleration'. |
09:46 | <petern> | oh shit, i didn't make it vague and ambiguous :p |
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09:56 | <+glx> | at least you said what it is nott |
09:56 | <+glx> | -t |
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10:00 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14870 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_squirrel.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: normal files in library dirs caused segfaults (found by Yexo) |
10:00 | <@Belugas> | youhou! |
10:00 | <@Belugas> | mmh... |
10:01 | <@Belugas> | what am i rejoicing for... idon't play :S |
10:01 | <@Belugas> | welll... happy for the others than :) |
10:01 | <Sacro> | petern: is the new tractive effort in? |
10:01 | <+dihedral> | hello |
10:01 | <Sacro> | hi ;) |
10:01 | <petern> | whowa? |
10:02 | <petern> | for trains, no |
10:02 | <Sacro> | damn :( |
10:02 | * | Sacro will just look at the graphs then |
10:02 | <petern> | :) |
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10:07 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14871 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_squirrel.cpp: [NoAI] -Backport (r14656): use S_ISREG(x) over 'x & S_IFREG' (tnx to the good memory of glx) |
10:08 | <Bennythen00b> | Wat? |
10:08 | <Bennythen00b> | Was that from a person or a bot? |
10:08 | <@Rubidium> | both |
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10:09 | <Bennythen00b> | Why did it pop up? |
10:09 | <@Rubidium> | a person made a commit and a bot "picked it up" |
10:09 | <Bennythen00b> | ah.. |
10:09 | <@Belugas> | not been there long enough he? |
10:09 | <@Belugas> | heheh |
10:09 | <petern> | wrong |
10:10 | <petern> | he's been here too long |
10:10 | <@Belugas> | lol |
10:10 | <Bennythen00b> | oO |
10:10 | <Bennythen00b> | Another weird IRC channel.. :o |
10:12 | <+dihedral> | Bennythen00b, your nick really suits you! |
10:12 | <+dihedral> | :-) |
10:12 | <Bennythen00b> | Thanks... I think.. :P |
10:12 | <Bennythen00b> | And how do i pm people..? xD |
10:13 | <petern> | you don't |
10:13 | <Bennythen00b> | How do you know..? |
10:13 | <petern> | because i'm guessing that nobody here would want a PM from you |
10:13 | <Bennythen00b> | You sure....? ^^ |
10:13 | <qball> | yes! |
10:13 | <+dihedral> | if they want it, they will pm you! |
10:13 | <petern> | fairly :) |
10:13 | <Bennythen00b> | Am I hated here or something?.... |
10:14 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: glx * r14872 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_squirrel.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix (r14871): do the same for S_IFDIR too |
10:14 | <+dihedral> | why do you look at things so negatively? |
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10:14 | <qball> | maybe one or two don't hate you |
10:14 | <Bennythen00b> | Should I take that as a compliment? |
10:14 | <+dihedral> | if people wanted to sit in a personal conversation with eachother all the time they'd hardly hang out in an irc channel |
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10:15 | <Bennythen00b> | Hmm.. Good point. |
10:16 | <Bennythen00b> | Hey, does trunk have cargo destinisations now!? |
10:16 | <petern> | nope |
10:17 | <Bennythen00b> | Waaat? |
10:17 | <petern> | no it doesn't |
10:17 | * | [com]buster fetches popcorn |
10:17 | <@Belugas> | Unless you want to send that person money, of course... |
10:17 | <petern> | [com]buster, cup of tea please |
10:17 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14873 /branches/noai/src/company_cmd.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: don't send an event to a company which is dying .. but do it after the company really died. Avoids silly invalid memory access ;) |
10:18 | <[com]buster> | peter: water's boiling: english tea blend or peach mango? |
10:18 | <Bennythen00b> | Why does my stations say: xx passengers en-route from xxxx? |
10:18 | <petern> | er... peach mango doesn't sound like proper tea, so english blend ;) |
10:18 | <+dihedral> | lol @ [com]buster |
10:18 | <Bennythen00b> | Waait.. Ignore me, and I MEAN IT!!!! |
10:18 | <petern> | Bennythen00b, because you've used transfer orders :D |
10:18 | <@Rubidium> | Bennythen00b: as you wish |
10:19 | <Bennythen00b> | Stop pm'ing me... |
10:19 | <+dihedral> | Bennythen00b, i think most people here will happily fulfill your wish |
10:19 | <Bennythen00b> | STOP! |
10:19 | <TrueBrain> | @mode +q Bennythen00b |
10:19 | -!- | mode/#openttd [+q Bennythen00b!*@*] by DorpsGek |
10:19 | <+dihedral> | thanks |
10:19 | <petern> | heh, serverside ignores :D |
10:19 | * | dihedral breaths |
10:19 | <TrueBrain> | or is that mean? :p |
10:19 | <+dihedral> | no |
10:19 | <+dihedral> | that was asked for |
10:19 | <TrueBrain> | @mode -q Bennythen00b |
10:19 | -!- | mode/#openttd [-q Bennythen00b!*@*] by DorpsGek |
10:19 | <Bennythen00b> | Wat? |
10:20 | <Bennythen00b> | Its gone :D |
10:20 | <Bennythen00b> | Yaaay! |
10:20 | <+dihedral> | s/mode -q/kick/ |
10:20 | <TrueBrain> | What is written with a 'h' ;) |
10:20 | <+dihedral> | TrueBrain, *an :-) |
10:20 | <[com]buster> | tea's ready, coming over? :) |
10:20 | * | dihedral chuckles |
10:21 | <TrueBrain> | [com]buster: your address again? :p |
10:21 | <[com]buster> | utrecht/holland |
10:21 | <+dihedral> | you surely dont have good english tea there do you? |
10:21 | <TrueBrain> | oh, that is just 45 minutes |
10:21 | <TrueBrain> | can your tea hold out that long? |
10:21 | <[com]buster> | that's why I proposed peach-mango tea |
10:22 | * | dihedral prefers pg tips |
10:22 | <[com]buster> | it'd be cold by then |
10:22 | <TrueBrain> | peach-mango, MAAK ME GEK! |
10:22 | <[com]buster> | and I have appointments later this afternoon :( |
10:22 | <+dihedral> | shove it into the microwave, TB will not notice :-P |
10:23 | * | dihedral just realized the kid is quiet :-) |
10:23 | * | qball give TrueBrain a kinder cola |
10:23 | <Bennythen00b> | Shall I start talking again? :P |
10:23 | <qball> | no no |
10:23 | <[com]buster> | go ahead, I still have the popcorn on the table |
10:23 | <Bennythen00b> | ... |
10:23 | <+dihedral> | hehe |
10:24 | <Bennythen00b> | Can I have some btw? |
10:24 | <+dihedral> | good job there are logs of this drivel - for the boring days :-D |
10:24 | <[com]buster> | :D |
10:24 | <[com]buster> | and no, you're today's performer |
10:24 | <[com]buster> | you can't eat and entertain, no? |
10:25 | <[com]buster> | k enough joking |
10:25 | <+dihedral> | just be glad we dont live in the days where it was still allowed to throw rotten eggs and tomatoes :-) |
10:25 | <TrueBrain> | nah |
10:25 | <TrueBrain> | never enough joking |
10:25 | <Bennythen00b> | Who are you talkinng about? |
10:25 | <Bennythen00b> | Dih? |
10:25 | <TrueBrain> | and he is naive too :) |
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10:25 | <[com]buster> | I think someone missed the idea of grabbing popcorn... |
10:26 | * | dihedral 'grabbes' something else |
10:26 | <[com]buster> | error: can't lower terrain, Bennythen00b in the way |
10:27 | <Bennythen00b> | Hahahah! |
10:27 | <Bennythen00b> | <[com]buster> error: can't lower terrain, Bennythen00b in the way |
10:27 | <+dihedral> | for goodness sake! |
10:27 | <Bennythen00b> | Wat? |
10:27 | <TrueBrain> | WHAT |
10:27 | <TrueBrain> | not WAT |
10:27 | <TrueBrain> | you TWAT |
10:28 | <Bennythen00b> | Wat? |
10:28 | <+dihedral> | why dont you go outside, and play hide |
10:28 | <Bennythen00b> | I wont |
10:28 | <Bennythen00b> | But I have to make dinner now, so you will have some alone time :) |
10:28 | <+dihedral> | flippin heck! |
10:28 | <Bennythen00b> | Enjoy, and bye. ^^ |
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10:28 | <[com]buster> | hey my popcorn isn't gone yet :( |
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10:29 | <+dihedral> | [com]buster, perhaps you'll get another chance |
10:30 | <[com]buster> | probably |
10:31 | * | [com]buster wonders why the resident bot was called "DorpsGek" |
10:31 | <TrueBrain> | for exactly this reason ;) |
10:32 | <[com]buster> | so that you could kick all the other madmen because you already have one? |
10:32 | <TrueBrain> | :) |
10:33 | <[com]buster> | Hmm, why didn't I think of that the first time |
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10:38 | <yorick> | should I worry when able to understand commented brainfuck? |
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10:39 | <TrueBrain> | yorick: no, you should worry in general |
10:39 | * | yorick worries |
10:41 | <dsoxygen> | hi there |
10:42 | <dsoxygen> | im here to offer my help about translating |
10:43 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14874 /branches/noai/src/ (10 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: steal more code from AIController and give it to AIInstance, making the code even more sane (still a long way to go, don't worry ;)) |
10:43 | <frosch123> | "If you are interested in translating OpenTTD you should send an email with the language you want to translate and the username + password you would like to use to login to translator@openttd.org" |
10:44 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14875 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_info_dummy.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix (r14874): people always tell you think AFTER you commit .. |
10:44 | <dsoxygen> | no i wont translate the game because its already done |
10:44 | <dsoxygen> | i will helt to translate your homepage and our wiki |
10:44 | <dsoxygen> | into gemany |
10:44 | * | Sacro notes 2 spelling and 2 grammer mistakes already |
10:45 | * | Aali notes Sacros spelling mistake |
10:46 | * | Rubidium notes Aali's grammar mistake ;) |
10:46 | <dsoxygen> | im sorry for this but i dont want translate in english my german is much better ;) |
10:47 | * | qball puts a grammar alert out |
10:47 | <Aali> | does that situation really require an apostrophe? |
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10:47 | <Sacro> | Aali: yes, if you wish to show belonging |
10:48 | <Aali> | meh, english isn't my first language anyways :P |
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10:50 | <@Rubidium> | dsoxygen: translating the wiki's tricky; lots of things constantly change and then your translation will be outdated with (almost) no way of telling you it got outdated. Furthermore I don't think you should translate the whole wiki as much of the information doesn't matter for users. |
10:51 | <dsoxygen> | yes i think so to |
10:51 | <dsoxygen> | but some parts of it can be translatet |
10:52 | <frosch123> | http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/ <- write them into that forum :p |
10:57 | <lordnokon> | why does the finances window not show any income of costs for each of the year |
10:57 | <lordnokon> | but it does show your bank balance |
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10:58 | <Aali> | lordnokon: you've minimized the window |
11:02 | <@Belugas> | or you are using transfers!!!! |
11:03 | <Aali> | i assumed he meant to say income OR costs, but yes, that is another possiblity |
11:05 | <@Belugas> | never assume with new nicks around ;) |
11:05 | <@Belugas> | well... NEVER assume |
11:06 | <lordnokon> | nope its not minimized |
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11:12 | <@Belugas> | therefor, i might have spotted the problem, lordnokon :) |
11:13 | <lordnokon> | ?? |
11:13 | <@Belugas> | [11:03] <@Belugas> or you are using transfers!!!! <--- that |
11:13 | <frosch123> | lordnokon: when a train arrives at a station is the income amount green or yellow? |
11:14 | <lordnokon> | green |
11:14 | <frosch123> | too bad |
11:15 | <@Belugas> | mmh... right |
11:15 | <@Belugas> | then, a screenshot would be more usefull, at this point... |
11:17 | <lordnokon> | ok |
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11:18 | <petern> | another cup of tea would be useful :D |
11:18 | * | qball passes petern a cup of earl grey tea |
11:19 | * | Belugas extracts himself for that comfy chair and crawls to the coffee pot |
11:19 | <qball> | clean off the funges while you are out of that chair |
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11:28 | <@Belugas> | hehe |
11:28 | * | Belugas shakes his fungus over qball's head |
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11:54 | <yorick> | whoa...google chrome is quite fast :p |
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12:12 | <@Belugas> | is it? |
12:13 | <frosch123> | every fresh installation is fast :p |
12:13 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14876 /trunk/src/pbs.cpp: |
12:13 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2509] (r14849): Reserved path loop detection was broken for stations. |
12:13 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: Don't set the test tile to the tile the very first iteration handles. Update the test tile instead in the loop. |
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12:30 | <Swallow> | Does a function exist somewhere that can replace this: |
12:30 | <Swallow> | if (IsTileType(t, MP_RAILWAY) || IsLevelCrossingTile(t) || IsRailwayStationTile(t) || (IsTileType(t, MP_TUNNELBRIDGE) && GetTunnelBridgeTransportType(t) == TRANSPORT_RAIL)) |
12:30 | <Swallow> | ? |
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12:35 | <frosch123> | GetTileTrackStatus ? |
12:35 | <frosch123> | But it is a very expensive function |
12:37 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14877 /3rdparty/squirrel/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
12:37 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: [Squirrel] -Add: allow a 'suspend' value, which makes Resume/Call stop executing after 'suspend' opcodes (which you can resume later) |
12:37 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: [Squirrel] -Fix: resuming doesn't always mean inserting a result value on the stack |
12:37 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14878 /branches/noai/src/ (9 files in 3 dirs): |
12:37 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: move more code from AIController to AIInstance, which makes things even more sane |
12:37 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: remove the need for threads (a result of all the latest commits) |
12:37 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: insert result values in a sane matter |
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12:37 | <TrueBrain> | NoAI no longer needs threads :) :) :) (or rather: fibers) |
12:37 | <TrueBrain> | what a happy day! :) |
12:42 | <goodger> | hurrah |
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12:42 | <Forked> | mmm fiber optic cables |
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13:00 | <mortal> | where are test scripts hidden away in the source? |
13:00 | <mortal> | or well in the repository |
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13:03 | <frosch123> | what do you want to test? |
13:06 | <@Belugas> | what test scripts? |
13:06 | <@Belugas> | Which sources? |
13:06 | <@Belugas> | what projects? |
13:06 | <mortal> | frosch123, I was hoping ottd could serve as an example of testing in development |
13:06 | <@Belugas> | CRISTALL BALL!! ANSWER ME!! |
13:06 | <Forked> | nothing is hidden in the source.. it's all right there ;p |
13:06 | <mortal> | Belugas, 1) I was hoping you got that 2) all of them 3) all of them |
13:06 | <Noldo> | yapf might have some |
13:07 | <frosch123> | ask the noai guys |
13:07 | <thingwath> | test what? :) |
13:07 | <Aali> | ottd "testing" consists of getting a bunch of guys to run the nightlies :D |
13:07 | <Prof_Frink> | Belugas: Should've stayed on freenose if you want christel to answer your questions. |
13:07 | <mortal> | hooray... well in that case I'm off again, looking for more pedagogical examples ;) |
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13:09 | <@Belugas> | indeed |
13:09 | <@Belugas> | and good luck :) |
13:09 | <mortal> | thanks |
13:10 | <mortal> | my friend is in uni and I'm helping him with his programming course |
13:10 | <mortal> | while taking care of my own college education |
13:10 | <@Belugas> | finding test scripts for Ottd is a bit... strange... amybe NoAI has that capability, but i'm not the one to answer that |
13:11 | <Aali> | NoAI does have a regression "AI" |
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13:11 | <Aali> | it basically makes a log of a bunch of stuff |
13:11 | <Aali> | not sure how its used |
13:12 | <Yexo> | it executes a lot of commands and prints the results |
13:12 | <Yexo> | those results are compared to "known good" results and should be the same |
13:12 | <Yexo> | because openttd can repeat the same game over and over (as long as the same starting seed is used), this works |
13:13 | <Yexo> | every sync with trunk the "known good" result is updated |
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13:16 | <Bennythen00b> | Still quiet...? |
13:17 | <matias> | yes |
13:17 | <matias> | shh.. |
13:24 | <@Belugas> | GROOOOOOOAR!!!! |
13:25 | <Bennythen00b> | Yeah, right. :) |
13:27 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14879 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/regression.txt: [NoAI] -Fix (r14878): forgot to update the regression (a one-liner) |
13:27 | * | petern returns from walking the dogs |
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13:27 | <fjb> | Hello |
13:28 | <Bennythen00b> | hi |
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13:28 | <@Belugas> | DON'T YOU FUCKING KNOW WHAT YOU ARE? |
13:29 | <Bennythen00b> | ? |
13:29 | <goodger> | 0.o |
13:29 | <Bennythen00b> | A human..? |
13:29 | <@Belugas> | heheh |
13:29 | <@Belugas> | naaaaa... |
13:29 | <@Belugas> | a SONG! |
13:29 | <Rexxars> | YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH! |
13:29 | <goodger> | belugas has gone mad |
13:30 | <Bennythen00b> | Begulas has gone bear... |
13:30 | <goodger> | call the police |
13:30 | <Aali> | he wasn't mad before? |
13:30 | <@Belugas> | well... if listening to Nine Inch Nail is going mad, than i'm mad |
13:30 | <goodger> | Aali: different type of madness |
13:31 | <petern> | headphone time :D |
13:31 | <Prof_Frink> | What's the first sign of Madness? |
13:31 | <Bennythen00b> | Me |
13:32 | <Prof_Frink> | Suggs walking up your drive. |
13:32 | <petern> | crap, my headphones have been resting against a radiator |
13:32 | <petern> | oh well, at least they're warm |
13:33 | <goodger> | Prof_Frink: that's appalling |
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13:33 | <@Belugas> | lol |
13:34 | <Bennythen00b_> | Why did my name change..? |
13:34 | <petern> | raaa, visualsvn at home :D |
13:34 | <@Belugas> | youhou! |
13:34 | <Prof_Frink> | goodger: I aim to please. |
13:34 | <@Belugas> | Bennythen00b_, there's two of you. |
13:34 | <@Belugas> | Let me help... |
13:34 | <goodger> | Bennythen00b_: you signed in again without signing off |
13:34 | -!- | Bennythen00b was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [one too many] |
13:34 | <goodger> | Prof_Frink: you fail |
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13:35 | <Bennythen00b_> | noo.. |
13:35 | * | Prof_Frink idly wonders if goodger is the opposite of a badger |
13:35 | <goodger> | ^_^ |
13:36 | <goodger> | Prof_Frink: no, it's my surname --- I am one of about four ben goodgers in existence worldwide, and one of the others is a famous firefox developer and google employee. guess who I am constantly asked if I am |
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13:36 | <Prof_Frink> | Are you Ben Goodger? |
13:36 | <goodger> | Prof_Frink: yes |
13:36 | <Prof_Frink> | Wow. |
13:37 | <Bennythen00b_> | Are you that firefox developer? |
13:37 | <Bennythen00b_> | That FAMOUS? |
13:37 | * | goodger thinks about banging head on desk, but reconsiders and bangs Bennythen00b_'s head on desk |
13:37 | <Bennythen00b_> | Hahah.. :D |
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13:38 | <goodger> | "it is not usually your fault. consider this before blaming yourself, and then determine whom else to blame" |
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13:39 | <Bennythen00b_> | OH MY GOOOOD!!!! |
13:39 | <Bennythen00b_> | NOW IM PISSED!!! |
13:39 | <Rexxars> | ....™ |
13:39 | * | Prof_Frink takes Bennythen00b_'s beer and asks him to leave |
13:39 | <Bennythen00b_> | How do I get my name back...? :( |
13:39 | <Yexo> | Bennythen00b_: what is your problem this time? |
13:40 | <@Belugas> | mmh... and to think I though bgoofer was the inspiration of walt Disney's Goofy :S |
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13:40 | <goodger> | agh, the channel is being invaded by early-teenage norwegians |
13:40 | <Bennythen00b> | Yaay |
13:40 | <Bennythen00b> | "_" is gone |
13:41 | <Forked> | I think I know a guy that works at his isp.. let me give him a call ;\ |
13:41 | <goodger> | Forked: heh |
13:42 | <@Belugas> | I know a farmer who lives on his farm... |
13:42 | <@Belugas> | i think |
13:43 | <Forked> | ye I know, I'm not funny :\ |
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13:44 | <@Belugas> | naaaa.. t' |
13:44 | <@Belugas> | s not that... |
13:44 | <@Belugas> | just reminded me of some Genesis lyrics :) |
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13:47 | <Bennythen00b> | Hey, what? : Prof_Frink takes Bennythen00b_'s beer and asks him to leave |
13:48 | <Forked> | doh. I made a long tram line just to find out I can't buy at ram that carries valuables :) |
13:48 | <Bennythen00b> | I dont drink beer.. Yuck.. :P |
13:48 | <Forked> | Bennythen00b: are you above 18 years of age? |
13:48 | <@Belugas> | he prefers milk ^_^ |
13:48 | <Bennythen00b> | Coffee |
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13:48 | <@Belugas> | haa.. there's hope |
13:49 | <@Belugas> | but you can't get drunk with coffee |
13:49 | <goodger> | Forked: that's not very fair, I have only been that age for three months |
13:49 | <@Rubidium> | Forked: that happens when you play like the default AI |
13:49 | <Prof_Frink> | Bennythen00b: You said you were pissed. |
13:49 | <Forked> | goodger: well seeing how the minimum drinking age in Norway is 18 years .. I wouldn't try to encourage a minor to drink =p |
13:50 | <Forked> | if he was older than 18, I'd just label him as insane :) |
13:50 | <Bennythen00b> | I am 13 |
13:50 | <goodger> | Prof_Frink: again, dreadful |
13:50 | <Sacro> | 13 eg |
13:50 | <goodger> | 0.0 |
13:50 | <Sacro> | that's about 1/5 of Belugas's age |
13:50 | <Bennythen00b> | OO |
13:51 | <+glx> | 13 is to young for cofee |
13:51 | <Forked> | Rubidium: nice burn. that one hurt :\ |
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13:51 | <Bennythen00b> | <glx> 13 is to young for cofee |
13:51 | <Bennythen00b> | No |
13:52 | <@Belugas> | Sacro... I DEMAND EXCUSES!!! |
13:52 | <Sacro> | Belugas: i'm full of curry |
13:52 | <petern> | I demand beer |
13:52 | <+glx> | just kick him :) |
13:52 | <@Belugas> | mmh... |
13:52 | <+glx> | (to check if he managed to get a rejoin on kick) |
13:52 | * | petern attempts conflict resolving |
13:53 | <Sacro> | euuuurgh my ovaries |
13:53 | -!- | Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [Freaking difference between 65 and 44!] |
13:53 | <+glx> | still no rejoin |
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13:54 | <petern> | hmm |
13:54 | <petern> | is that right |
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13:54 | <petern> | i get a yellow/orange bar where i have changes |
13:54 | * | Sacro burps |
13:54 | <petern> | i thought i had that before, though |
13:54 | <Sacro> | Belugas: 44 eh, still fairly old :p |
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13:55 | <goodger> | heh |
13:55 | <@Belugas> | i'm as old as my earth is :) and I feel young! |
13:55 | <goodger> | ¬.¬ |
13:56 | <@Belugas> | petern, yes, it's a bit different |
13:56 | <goodger> | that doesn't mean you're young, it means you're having a mid-life crisis and are about to buy a motorcycle |
13:56 | <@Belugas> | look in the left project stuff |
13:56 | <petern> | seems to be what it tries to do normally but can't usually get exactly right |
13:56 | <@Belugas> | orange is changed, red is conflits |
13:56 | <petern> | now it can |
13:56 | <petern> | in the solution explorer there are the dots, yeah |
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13:57 | <@Belugas> | goodger, i'd rather buy a new guitar! or a new amp... or an effect rack... |
13:57 | <@Belugas> | not a bike |
13:57 | <@Belugas> | no way |
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13:57 | <@Belugas> | yeah... solution exploere... right word |
13:57 | -!- | Bennythen00b_-afk- is now known as Bennythen00b-afk- |
13:57 | <@Belugas> | should I dare??? |
13:57 | -!- | Bennythen00b-afk- was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [we don't like away nicks] |
13:58 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but... riding a lovely bike through the lovely snow... |
13:58 | <@Rubidium> | Belugas: I only give you 6 points on that performance |
13:58 | <@Rubidium> | (out of 10) |
13:58 | <@Belugas> | hehe |
13:58 | <goodger> | Eddi|zuHause: damn you and your snow! *jealous* |
13:58 | <petern> | hmm, really nice |
13:58 | -!- | Eddi|zuHause was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [I HATE SNOW!] |
13:58 | <@Rubidium> | /kick Bennythen00b-afk- Bennythen00b-kfi- |
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13:59 | <+glx> | I have snow |
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13:59 | <+glx> | Rubidium: it was me |
13:59 | <goodger> | glx: also your snow |
13:59 | <goodger> | and yours petern |
13:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | we have like 10cm |
13:59 | <@Rubidium> | Belugas: then you must be happy with the new looks of the forum ;) |
13:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's not mucht |
13:59 | <goodger> | hrrm |
13:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | -t |
14:00 | <+glx> | it's enough to cancel flights in CDG and ORY |
14:00 | <Sacro> | orly? |
14:00 | <@Belugas> | no i'm not, Rubidium.. i'm even more depressed than usual when i open it up :S |
14:01 | <Prof_Frink> | glx: But is it the wrong kind of snow? |
14:01 | <goodger> | 10cm is more than I've seen since I went on holiday to finland 11 years ago |
14:01 | <+glx> | it's normal snow |
14:01 | <@Rubidium> | Belugas: why? the snow's gone |
14:01 | <petern> | Belugas, Ctrl-F5 :) |
14:01 | <goodger> | Prof_Frink: no quoting Incompitence :P |
14:01 | <petern> | it's stopped snowing but it takes ages to thaw |
14:01 | <@Belugas> | hem... |
14:02 | <@Belugas> | hooo.... :) |
14:02 | <@Belugas> | COOL!!! |
14:02 | * | Belugas kisses orudge! |
14:02 | <gynter> | why it says too close to another industry thou multiple_industry_pre_town and same_industry_close are on? |
14:02 | <Eddi|zuHause> | gynter: newgrf industries may implement custom checks |
14:03 | <@orudge> | :o |
14:03 | <goodger> | 0.o |
14:03 | <gynter> | hmm |
14:03 | <goodger> | (hi orudge, how are things? still at st andrews?) |
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14:03 | <insulfrog> | hi all |
14:04 | <Sacro> | insulfrog: what about #simsig D: |
14:04 | <insulfrog> | sorry, I didn't know anyone was on |
14:05 | <Sacro> | :) |
14:05 | <Sacro> | me, welshdragon and zoe frequent it |
14:05 | <gynter> | PBI makes this custom check? |
14:05 | <@orudge> | goodger: not bad, and yep, one more semester to go |
14:06 | <yorick> | spotify finally works again here :) |
14:06 | <goodger> | orudge: goodo, going to university of kent later this year, if UCAS aren't too incompetent |
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14:10 | <Aali> | gynter: yes |
14:10 | <@Belugas> | now, if only it was so easy to get rid of stupidity on those forums... |
14:12 | <@Belugas> | orudge, how hard could it be to have a sub tropical skin? |
14:12 | <@orudge> | well |
14:12 | <@orudge> | if somebody makes it... |
14:12 | <@orudge> | there's a Toyland skin :P |
14:12 | <@orudge> | which I pull out at Easter occasionally |
14:12 | <@orudge> | well, it's not been updated for phpBB 3 |
14:13 | <@orudge> | but I may do sometime >:3 |
14:13 | <gynter> | Aali, any fix to this? |
14:14 | <Aali> | what do you mean "fix this"? |
14:14 | <Aali> | its supposed to be that way |
14:15 | <Aali> | if you don't like it, don't use the newgrf |
14:15 | <gynter> | to be the way which ignores configuration? thats silly |
14:17 | <@Belugas> | no, not at all |
14:17 | <Aali> | the configuration option doesn't say that it only affects default industries, and that's a bit of a problem |
14:17 | <@Belugas> | that's the way of the grfs |
14:17 | <Aali> | but that is also the only issue here |
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14:19 | <@Belugas> | by definition, a grf can do about anything he wants. |
14:19 | <@Belugas> | it's a contract |
14:19 | <@Belugas> | not going to break it |
14:21 | <petern> | teehee |
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14:26 | <Alberth> | sounds like a good idea |
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14:39 | <Bennythen00b> | Why cant I write "afk" after my nick? I am not complaining, I just want to knoe. :) |
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14:39 | <Yexo> | because there would be a lot of people cluttering the channel with their nick changes |
14:39 | <goodger> | a) it's long enough already; b) none of us much cares that you're going away |
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14:40 | <Bennythen00b> | ok |
14:40 | <Bennythen00b> | So next time I should leave the channel? |
14:41 | <Yexo> | either that, or just stay in the channel with your current nick |
14:41 | <goodger> | no... just stop talking |
14:41 | <Bennythen00b> | We'll see.. :D |
14:41 | <Yexo> | if someone wants to say something to you they'll figure out soon enough you are not there |
14:41 | <joachim> | people who need to know can just /whois you |
14:41 | <joachim> | or wait for no answer :) |
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14:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there is always the /away command, but nobody seems to actually use that... |
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14:46 | <edeca> | Eddi|zuHause: Wait, using IRC how it is supposed to be used? Pfft. |
14:46 | <goodger> | Eddi|zuHause: that actually crashes my client sometimes |
14:46 | <edeca> | goodger: irssi! :D |
14:46 | <goodger> | quiet, you |
14:47 | <goodger> | I suffer enough monospaced white-on-black trauma as it is |
14:47 | <petern> | i set away when i'm here |
14:47 | <Eddi|zuHause> | edeca: says the person who actually is set to away :p |
14:47 | <edeca> | Eddi|zuHause: Because I'm not here! |
14:47 | <petern> | jesus |
14:47 | <thingwath> | No, you are not here. |
14:47 | <edeca> | petern: He's not here either |
14:47 | <petern> | i chopped an onion or two about 30 minutes ago |
14:47 | <petern> | maybe more |
14:47 | <thingwath> | (If you are not hiding under the bed, I wouldn't recommend doing that.) |
14:47 | <petern> | 's still upsetting my eyes :/ |
14:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i was about to list all people that are set to away... that would have been fun :p |
14:48 | <edeca> | petern: Got snow? (I think you're UK) |
14:48 | <petern> | yes thanks |
14:48 | <edeca> | Mm, snow. |
14:48 | <goodger> | edeca: damn you |
14:48 | <goodger> | I want snow! |
14:48 | <edeca> | goodger: Heck I'm bored of it now. |
14:48 | <petern> | it didn't snow today |
14:48 | <edeca> | Problem in the UK is that it gets to 1 or 2C, melts, then freezes again over night |
14:49 | <petern> | so we had yesterday's partly melted and refrozen slippery stuff to deal with |
14:49 | <petern> | hah |
14:49 | <edeca> | So you get pretty snow with a thick layer of ice |
14:49 | <Forked> | urrgh |
14:49 | <edeca> | It's great fun to drive on |
14:49 | <yorick> | no snow means more ice :) |
14:49 | <yorick> | more ice means more ice-fun |
14:50 | <goodger> | problem in cornwall is that basic meteorology prevents us from having the conditions for snow --- under a depression it's too warm and under an anticyclone there's no cloud |
14:50 | <yorick> | ice-skating :) |
14:50 | <edeca> | goodger: And most of it is by the coast |
14:50 | <edeca> | I can remember snow once in 3 years near the coast :( |
14:51 | <goodger> | well |
14:51 | <goodger> | depends what you mean by "near" |
14:51 | <edeca> | Nearer than the midlands :) |
14:51 | <Eddi|zuHause> | cornwall... that's like the end of the world, right? |
14:51 | <goodger> | that'll do |
14:51 | <goodger> | Eddi|zuHause: you're very receptive |
14:52 | <goodger> | I'm 4 miles inland |
14:52 | <goodger> | I don't call that close to the coast |
14:53 | <thingwath> | I do. |
14:53 | <edeca> | Most of the world would |
14:53 | <petern> | there are several places called 'land's end' heh |
14:53 | <edeca> | petern: And there are several places that should be |
14:53 | <Eddi|zuHause> | wow... these GEZ letters sound more and more aggressive every time... |
14:53 | <@Belugas> | [14:52] <Eddi|zuHause> cornwall... that's like the end of the world, right? <-- don't make a fire there. Or the wall will pop |
14:53 | <thingwath> | it's a bit different when the nearest coast is 400 kilometers away |
14:54 | <goodger> | of course, the island is only 31km wide at this point |
14:54 | <petern> | my nearest coast is the thames estuary, i guess. does that count as coast? |
14:54 | <goodger> | so my perception of "inland" is a bit skewed |
14:54 | <Eddi|zuHause> | we have a tiny stream and a lake in the village, does that count as coast? |
14:54 | <petern> | you are right near the end then |
14:54 | <edeca> | petern: Mm, mine is the norfolk coast :| |
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14:55 | <edeca> | And *nobody* wants to go there |
14:55 | <goodger> | petern: actually I'm barely 45mins drive from plymouth |
14:55 | <@Belugas> | driving a PLymouth |
14:55 | <@Belugas> | houhouhou |
14:55 | <goodger> | it gets much, much thinner of course |
14:56 | <petern> | bah, why doesn't google maps have a measuring tool? |
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14:57 | <petern> | Belugas, not a particularly well known brand here |
14:57 | <Eddi|zuHause> | google maps does not work in konqueror 3.5 anymore |
14:57 | <petern> | not at all |
14:57 | <goodger> | petern: it does, under "my maps" -> "featured content" |
14:57 | <goodger> | Belugas: yeah, I've only heard of that brand through old US television |
14:57 | <petern> | result |
14:59 | <petern> | hmm, the severn is 67 miles away |
14:59 | <edeca> | M4 corridor? ;) |
14:59 | <petern> | everything is much smaller when you measure as the crow flies... |
14:59 | <petern> | 71 miles to the south coast |
15:00 | <petern> | 60 miles to the east |
15:00 | <edeca> | Now we can pinpoint you and fling stuff! |
15:00 | <edeca> | You're pretty much in the middle of the country, I smell Swindon |
15:00 | <petern> | nope |
15:00 | <edeca> | (middle of the habitable, civilised country that is) |
15:00 | <petern> | quite a long way off |
15:00 | <petern> | in fact, 45 miles fof |
15:00 | <petern> | off |
15:01 | <edeca> | Eh, I'm not *that* desperate to work it out, but.. |
15:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that'll be over here... |
15:01 | * | edeca clicks google maps |
15:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the civilised country |
15:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | in the centre |
15:01 | <petern> | swindon's much closer to the severn |
15:02 | <edeca> | Eddi|zuHause: You don't want to live north of Watford gap |
15:02 | <goodger> | Eddi|zuHause: swindon is absolutely not civilised |
15:02 | <edeca> | Woah, my geography is awful, Swindon is practically in wales! ;) |
15:02 | <goodger> | most of the M4 corridor is pretty uninteresting |
15:02 | <thingwath> | what you mean by 'civilised'? |
15:03 | <edeca> | Well I hope you're nearer Reading than Slough |
15:03 | <edeca> | thingwath: You know, people only have 1 head and 10 digits |
15:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | actually... if you extrapolate the line swindon-london, you end up right here... |
15:03 | <edeca> | thingwath: Nobody carries pitchforks, civil unrest is unheard of |
15:03 | <goodger> | edeca: downplay the digits |
15:03 | <edeca> | Eddi|zuHause: Leipzig? ;) |
15:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | close enough ;) |
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15:03 | <thingwath> | pitchforks :-) |
15:03 | <petern> | 11 digits? |
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15:04 | <goodger> | sssh! |
15:04 | <goodger> | anyway |
15:04 | <petern> | 36 miles from watford gap |
15:04 | <goodger> | what is the watford gap? |
15:04 | <edeca> | goodger: Service station, the "start of the north" |
15:04 | <petern> | a service station on the M1 |
15:04 | <edeca> | goodger: Or, to be more positive, "the end of the north" |
15:04 | <edeca> | goodger: Depends which way you're facing ;) |
15:05 | <petern> | near watford, but not the normal watford |
15:05 | <goodger> | I was born about 30 miles northnorthwest of watford |
15:05 | <goodger> | oh, I see |
15:05 | <edeca> | goodger: That's still south of watford gap probably |
15:05 | <edeca> | Whoever built the service station had pretty much no idea of geography |
15:05 | <goodger> | milton keynes woop |
15:05 | <edeca> | goodger: Woop indeed, I'm near enough there |
15:06 | <petern> | edeca: "it's near watford, let's call it watford gap" ? |
15:06 | <petern> | WRONG WATFORD |
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15:06 | <goodger> | the first time I went back there after moving to cornwall, I burst into uncontrollable laughter when reading the name "towecester" aloud.. |
15:06 | <edeca> | petern: It's nearer Luton or Milton Keynes? |
15:06 | <petern> | no, it's right next to watford |
15:06 | <edeca> | goodger: Ask an American to pronounce Welwyn |
15:06 | <edeca> | petern: Oh, some tiny town? :) |
15:06 | <petern> | village |
15:06 | <@Belugas> | goodger, Plymout is part of my youth, to some extend :) |
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15:07 | <Bennythen00b> | Plymouth makes nice cars :D |
15:07 | <goodger> | Belugas: you have my commiserations |
15:07 | <petern> | how would you pronounce welwyn? |
15:07 | <@Belugas> | commiserations? mmh... another new pedantic word to add to my dicto |
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15:07 | <@Belugas> | OUellOuAine |
15:07 | <edeca> | petern: "Wellin", not "Well win" |
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15:11 | <goodger> | edeca: try tywardreath, fowey, lostwithiel, landhydrock, liskeard, ruanlanihorne, trerulefoot, mevagissey... |
15:11 | <goodger> | cornwall is full of interesting names such as these |
15:11 | <edeca> | goodger: Mm, I always thought it was a bit weird there ;) |
15:11 | <edeca> | goodger: Good home made cider though |
15:11 | <goodger> | indeed |
15:12 | <edeca> | My cider this year has a tendancy to explode when you open the bottle |
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15:14 | <@Belugas> | means you've added a tiny bit too much sugar to the recipe :) |
15:15 | <Forked> | note to self: it's almost always user error.. even when you are the user (or a good friend of him) |
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15:15 | <edeca> | Belugas: Yeah, when I bottled it :) |
15:15 | <edeca> | Belugas: First time I tried, good fun. |
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15:16 | <Nite_Owl> | Hello all |
15:16 | <@Belugas> | i'm very good at bottling |
15:16 | <@Belugas> | very leveled bottles |
15:16 | <gynter> | is it possible to transfer more than 40 mil € to other company? |
15:16 | <@Belugas> | well... at start |
15:16 | <@Belugas> | gynter, try, and tell us the results... We are dying to know :) |
15:19 | <gynter> | no no, i mean is it possible to set the amount from config? |
15:19 | <gynter> | or only hardcoded? |
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15:23 | <frosch123> | CommandCost amount(EXPENSES_OTHER, min((Money)p1, (Money)20000000LL)); <- looks pretty hardcoded |
15:24 | <@Rubidium> | frosch123: really? setting prefix to "", suffix to "€" and changing rate accordingly makes it somewhat configurable |
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15:25 | <petern> | hehe |
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15:30 | <@Belugas> | mmh |
15:31 | <frosch123> | yeah, I always use yoctoeuro for my bank balance |
15:31 | <edeca> | frosch123: Shame Iceland couldn't do the same |
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15:31 | <insulfrog> | g2g |
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15:34 | <Eddi|zuHause> | iceland... does that still exist? |
15:34 | <goodger> | Eddi|zuHause: the country or the frozen food retailer? |
15:34 | <Eddi|zuHause> | food what? |
15:35 | <Eddi|zuHause> | never heard of that one |
15:35 | <goodger> | retailer? er, seller... "shop" is not quite the whole meaning, but roughly the same |
15:36 | <goodger> | frosch123: try using yottoeuros, that will cause some intriguing computer problems |
15:38 | <petern> | that's why |
15:38 | <petern> | mum's gone to iceland |
15:38 | <goodger> | that's why mum's severely constipated |
15:39 | <goodger> | "look at all this --- mini chocolatey bites, mini tarty bites, mini lardy bites, mini bite bites --- and it's only five quid per metric tonne!" |
15:40 | <edeca> | Hm, so many English jokes that could be made but wouldn't be understood by 90% ;) |
15:40 | <goodger> | edeca: most of the non-english in here have the sort of personality that looks up words in dictionaries for hours until it understands the joke |
15:40 | <Bennythen00b_> | Correct |
15:41 | <edeca> | goodger: Many of them wouldn't know who waynetta slob is though ;) |
15:41 | <goodger> | well, I wouldn't know that either |
15:41 | <edeca> | goodger: You never saw Harry Enfield? |
15:41 | <goodger> | who on earth is harry enfield? |
15:42 | <goodger> | generation gap FAIL :P |
15:42 | <petern> | ... |
15:42 | <edeca> | goodger: Which generation are you from! |
15:42 | <petern> | LOADS A MONEY |
15:42 | <petern> | harry enfield has been on telly in the past year... |
15:42 | <goodger> | edeca: generation Y |
15:43 | <edeca> | goodger: Oh :) |
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15:43 | <edeca> | petern: His stuff last year was nonsense :( |
15:43 | <petern> | indeed |
15:43 | <edeca> | You know you're getting old when the generation after you is on the front of the Economist, instead of your own :( |
15:44 | <goodger> | edeca: I won't be on the front of the economist for a while yet |
15:44 | <edeca> | goodger: Heh, it was the "Generation Y comes of age" article a few weeks back that made me feel old |
15:45 | <goodger> | edeca: aha |
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15:45 | <goodger> | I would be astounded to find a generation Y-er reading the economist apart from myself, but I'm a very isolated young man |
15:45 | <edeca> | goodger: So anyway, In The Night Garden was on an hour ago ;) |
15:46 | <goodger> | ...having thoroughly read through harry enfield's wikipedia article I can confirm I have never seen any of his work, ever |
15:46 | <edeca> | goodger: Probably for the best |
15:46 | <edeca> | goodger: Stick to the Economist |
15:46 | <goodger> | heh |
15:46 | <matias> | hmm.. does this actually work: last 2 pictures in http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Half_Cloverleaf |
15:47 | <petern> | hmm, |
15:47 | <petern> | technically i am generation y, though i've never heard of the term before |
15:47 | <goodger> | petern: really? |
15:47 | * | goodger feels a little less isolated |
15:47 | <goodger> | I wonder if there is a register of historic companies' first-year return on capital employed... |
15:47 | <Nite_Owl> | You know you are getting old when the naked girls in your magazine are younger then you are |
15:48 | <edeca> | petern: Technically? You either are or aren't, unless you can time travel :) |
15:48 | <goodger> | matias: they do indeed work |
15:48 | <petern> | edeca: apparently the years vary |
15:48 | <edeca> | Nite_Owl: Magawhat? |
15:48 | <goodger> | ^_^ |
15:48 | <petern> | goodger, well, i am 31 this year... |
15:48 | <edeca> | petern: Ar, I thought it was an 80s/90s thing |
15:48 | <edeca> | petern: Heh, I'm generation X |
15:48 | <matias> | goodger: they are missing another direction |
15:49 | <petern> | edeca: 1975 to 1978 seems to be the concesus |
15:49 | <Nite_Owl> | rather proves my point |
15:49 | <goodger> | petern: you can't be generation Y if you're 31... gen Y is 1990 onward |
15:49 | <edeca> | goodger: Yeah, I thought it was too.. |
15:49 | <edeca> | goodger: But wikipedia disagrees |
15:49 | <goodger> | *tut* |
15:49 | <petern> | wikipedia says since 1975... |
15:49 | <edeca> | goodger: I thought X was 80s, Y was 90s |
15:49 | <edeca> | Wikipedia disagrees with the economist and private eye too |
15:49 | <edeca> | And they're the LAW |
15:50 | <petern> | heh |
15:50 | <goodger> | oh, that's irritating |
15:50 | <petern> | if X is 80s, then i'm not X or Y... |
15:50 | <goodger> | the wikipedia article on generation X has a completely different definition of generation Y |
15:50 | <Nite_Owl> | does not pertain to when you were born but when you came of age |
15:51 | <edeca> | goodger: Yep, it's completely messed up |
15:51 | <edeca> | Nite_Owl: Yeah, hence generation Y came of age last year |
15:51 | <goodger> | X = 1980, Y = 1990, Z = 2000... and I'm just within Y, but my friends are all X or older |
15:51 | <edeca> | Nite_Owl: 18 years after 1990 |
15:51 | <edeca> | Nite_Owl: Hence the article I was mentioning |
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15:51 | * | goodger can vote now. be afraid |
15:51 | <goodger> | :D |
15:52 | <edeca> | goodger: I've got you down as a monster raving loony already |
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15:52 | <petern> | what, libdem? |
15:52 | <goodger> | edeca: nah, goodger party will sort out this country |
15:52 | <Sacro> | <3 libdem |
15:52 | <matias> | goodger: half cloverleaf seems to work both directions, but the last two pictures show a version where trains coming from left cannot turn and when turning trains come back, they have to continue to the right.. |
15:52 | <goodger> | the lib dems are very nice, but can you imagine them actually running the country? |
15:52 | <edeca> | petern: No, monster raving loony as in, er, the monster raving loony party |
15:52 | <petern> | quite |
15:53 | <edeca> | goodger: My sentiments exactly. Libdem are excellent locally in some areas, but er, |
15:53 | <edeca> | Nick Clegg is wasted on 'em too |
15:53 | <goodger> | indeed |
15:53 | <edeca> | Give them another drunken leader and they'd be good fun again |
15:53 | <Sacro> | they are awesome in hull |
15:53 | <petern> | Nite_Owl... wait, what magazines? |
15:54 | <goodger> | my vote is wasted in cornwall also, because the lib-dems have such a huge majority and it's totally irrelevant because of our silly constituency-based electoral system wheren Labour has a majority of seats but only 35% of the vote |
15:54 | <petern> | it's because nobody lives there |
15:54 | <goodger> | petern: I think he's talking about pornograms |
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15:55 | <Nite_Owl> | those paper things people looked at before there was an Internet |
15:55 | <petern> | YOUNG LADY UNSTRAPS HER SHOE STRAP STOP |
15:55 | <goodger> | :D |
15:55 | <edeca> | PERSON OF QUESTIONABLE AGE ENTERS STAGE LEFT WEARING LITTLE STOP |
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15:55 | <goodger> | petern: if cornwall's population is 5m, and 2.6m people vote for the lib dems, then the lib dems win cornwall. if 5m people vote for the lib dems, the situation is unchanged |
15:56 | <edeca> | Well er, you just described two situations where one party gets >50% of the vote |
15:56 | <goodger> | under this system, labour forms a government despite 65% of the country voting against labour |
15:57 | <edeca> | As far fewer than 65% of the country turn up to vote, I doubt that. |
15:57 | <goodger> | edeca: yes, but in both situations, the entire county of cornwall votes lib dem, as far as forming a government is concerned |
15:57 | <goodger> | edeca: 65% of voters |
15:57 | * | edeca throws proportional representation to the dogs |
15:58 | <goodger> | swiss-style parliamentary and direct democracy FTW |
15:58 | <goodger> | westminster system FTL |
16:00 | <goodger> | hmm |
16:00 | <goodger> | I wish the university of kent would hurry up and process my application |
16:02 | <goodger> | the process is not difficult --- review grades, and predicted grades, read personal statement, evaluate whether personal statement indicates psychopathy or genius, read tutor reference, then rubber-stamp "yes", "conditional" or "no" on the paper |
16:02 | <goodger> | it must take, what, about twenty minutes |
16:02 | <edeca> | Do you have no idea what academics do all day? :) |
16:02 | <edeca> | Smoke, talk, smoke, drink, ignore phones, smoke, drink, talk, ignore email, GOTO 10 |
16:03 | <goodger> | edeca: these admissions officers are employed specifically to do this |
16:03 | <edeca> | goodger: Not all of them. |
16:03 | <goodger> | edeca: better "repeat until ... false", line 10 may change |
16:03 | <edeca> | goodger: Certainly where I went it was one of the tutors who did all of the work processing new students |
16:03 | <goodger> | hm |
16:04 | <petern> | yeah but that was about 40 years ago |
16:04 | <goodger> | sodding cambridge manage to get all their applications done by january the second, why not kent? kent's job is far easier than cambridge's |
16:04 | <edeca> | petern: 40/10, yes |
16:04 | <petern> | cambridge is easy |
16:05 | <petern> | they don't have to take any stupid people to make up numbers |
16:05 | <edeca> | Heh |
16:06 | <goodger> | petern: they are swamped with tens of thousands of applications with near-identical grades (AAAA, AAAAA, or AAAAAA) and have to rank them |
16:06 | <petern> | easy |
16:06 | <petern> | AAAAAA > AAAAA > AAAA, etc |
16:06 | <petern> | especially if they're foreign |
16:06 | <goodger> | yeah, but they have to read the personal statements and references also |
16:07 | <edeca> | Nah, it's all opposite if they're foreign as they pay more $$$ |
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16:07 | <goodger> | kent on the other hand has the simple question "will they pass the course?" which is achieved on the basis of evaluating the question "have they got 280 points and two Cs at A-level?" |
16:07 | <goodger> | which a sodding computer could do automatically |
16:07 | <edeca> | That's complete crap though. I have friends who got straight As, were accepted to Cambridge and dropped out after 3 weeks as it wasn't for them |
16:08 | <edeca> | And I know people who scraped A-levels but managed a 2:1 |
16:08 | <edeca> | Anyhow, grades (whether A-level or degree) become obsolete the second you get your first job. |
16:08 | <goodger> | precisely, when you get into straight-A territories the ranking becomes impossible |
16:08 | <edeca> | goodger: Which further demonstrates how polluted the A-level pool is :) |
16:09 | <goodger> | edeca: I'll bet the words "first at Oxford" will get you a better degree than "2:1 at Oxford" |
16:09 | <petern> | goodger, did your mono stuff get fixed? |
16:09 | <edeca> | Eh, a better degree or better job? |
16:09 | <goodger> | edeca: I'm aware of that, and I have designed a replacement, but until I can execute a coup d'etat I will be forced to work within it |
16:09 | <goodger> | edeca: a better job, sorry. or a better master's degree |
16:09 | <edeca> | You designed a replacement |
16:09 | <edeca> | goodger: Everybody knows you get your masters for free if you pass at Oxbridge and pay £100 ;) |
16:10 | <goodger> | wasn't difficult, simply identifying the problems was the difficult part |
16:10 | <edeca> | Does your replacement involve pain for those who are below average? |
16:10 | <goodger> | petern: no, I'm still writing the bug description |
16:11 | <goodger> | edeca: it includes a mechanism by which the below-average never apply to a university |
16:11 | <frosch123> | George: When a industry is constructed the tiles remember whether they were build on land, sea, river or canal. (see tile property 0D and callback 2F) When the tile was sea before it will continue flooding, when it was river or canal before and the ground sprite of the tile is the plain water tile, it will draw canal/river borders. Neighbored river/canal tiles will only draw their borders when the industry tile was built on land. |
16:11 | <frosch123> | But that only works for flat tiles, not industries on shore |
16:12 | <edeca> | goodger: Harsh, universities keep many people out of the dole office for 3 years, more if they repeat! ;) |
16:13 | <edeca> | goodger: Who would work in your local Tesco? |
16:14 | <goodger> | edeca: well, I was working on the basis that people of intelligence below 108 are in fact incapable of achieving a university degree |
16:14 | <edeca> | goodger: Your system fails to account for those who are merely lazy and do badly at A-level, but have plenty of potential to succeed at university in one specific subject |
16:14 | <goodger> | the people working in my local tesco are all middle-aged women who were made redundant by the regional development agency when they demolished the town centre |
16:15 | <SmatZ> | women demolished the town centre? |
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16:15 | <goodger> | SmatZ: I'm sure the demolition crew included at least one woman, but they were employed by the RDA |
16:16 | <goodger> | edeca: the system removes the A-levels and replaces it with a pre-degree which exhibits more focusing and, more importantly, a more valuable method of teaching and assessment than the current system |
16:17 | <goodger> | anyway |
16:17 | <SmatZ> | bye goodger :) |
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16:18 | <goodger> | it is designed to address the problems with it that lead to people like me getting DDDE at A-level, while people with no obvious capacity for useful thought get AAAAAA |
16:18 | <goodger> | (yes, that is six As) |
16:19 | <frosch123> | and who cares? |
16:19 | <SmatZ> | :-P |
16:19 | * | SmatZ likes benjamin |
16:20 | <goodger> | frosch123: I care, because despite technically qualifying as a genius I am not allowed access to Cambridge, unlike those above people |
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16:21 | <goodger> | I wasn't even lazy or unmotivated |
16:21 | <goodger> | oh well |
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16:21 | <frosch123> | then change cambridge |
16:21 | <goodger> | hurry up, university of kent! |
16:22 | <goodger> | frosch123: I can't change cambridge, because I am not in government |
16:24 | <edeca> | goodger: Heh, I got ADDE (with no effort) and a first at uni. Go figure :\ |
16:24 | <edeca> | goodger: I discovered women and weekend jobs at college and decided they were more fun |
16:24 | <goodger> | edeca: I'll bet that wasn't cambridge... what was the A? |
16:25 | <edeca> | goodger: Heh no, I studied at an old poly (hence the first?) |
16:25 | <edeca> | goodger: And the A was computing |
16:25 | <goodger> | ah, I got a D in that. I kept putting the correct answer to things |
16:26 | <frosch123> | what do you need for "computing"? |
16:26 | * | SmatZ just found slackware 10 disc 2 at one of his RWs... |
16:26 | <edeca> | frosch123: Nothing much, understand binary and be able to program in VB? Heh |
16:26 | <goodger> | i.e., the answer papers for the past papers I did were wrong, according to me, my teacher, my textbook and wikipedia |
16:26 | <goodger> | frosch123: you also have to be able to draw a 1960s CPU from memory |
16:26 | <edeca> | goodger: That's your problem. You need to get inside the exam and work out what they think they want to know. |
16:27 | <edeca> | goodger: That's how I got a first. Don't work out the correct answer, work out what they want to know. |
16:27 | <goodger> | edeca: how can I possibly know what they want to know? there are multiple incorrect answers to questions |
16:28 | <goodger> | for instance, "what is the capacity of a DVD?" correct answer is 4.7 GiB, the answer they wanted was 6.0 GB |
16:28 | <goodger> | (GCSE information technology) |
16:28 | <edeca> | goodger: Meh, it's an art, but it works. |
16:28 | <goodger> | they asked me to put the correct answer, and I have no way of telling what they think is the answer |
16:29 | <thingwath> | "what is the capacity of a DVD?" is a question for the people in your local Tesco :-) |
16:30 | <edeca> | thingwath: "One series of Scrubs" hawhawhaw |
16:31 | <goodger> | oh well, can't change it now.... will have to rely on UKC giving me a place out (I do not currently meet their entry requirements and I've no idea what my accounting teacher has put for a predicted grade) |
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16:39 | <Eddi|zuHause> | hey, it's -22°C here |
16:40 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and they talk about global warming... |
16:40 | <edeca> | Eddi|zuHause: Sheesh, we've got headlines about -7 |
16:40 | <frosch123> | you should turn on the heating |
16:40 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes, i just did that. even my computer at full load can't heat my room propely anymore |
16:40 | <thingwath> | -7 here, only |
16:42 | <goodger> | -3 here at midnight last night :S |
16:42 | <goodger> | due to clear skies -- no snow :( |
16:42 | <goodger> | oh, apparently it's -5 now |
16:43 | <Nite_Owl> | 75 Fahrenheit here (Muwahahaha) |
16:43 | <goodger> | "humidity 100%" --- google might be a bit off here |
16:43 | <SmatZ> | hmm... CDs with RedHad 6.. 7... Mandrake 9... 10.. :-x |
16:43 | <goodger> | SmatZ: I've mandrivel six somewhere |
16:44 | <petern> | Nite_Owl ... http://www.xkcd.com/526/ |
16:45 | <SmatZ> | goodger: I think these CDs will be in trash can soon ;) |
16:45 | <goodger> | SmatZ: recycle them as home decorations |
16:45 | * | edeca goes |
16:45 | <edeca> | Later goodger / petern |
16:45 | <petern> | not particularly pretty decorations |
16:45 | <petern> | bye |
16:45 | <goodger> | they will be a talking point |
16:45 | <goodger> | bye edeca |
16:46 | <Nite_Owl> | I can not think in metric |
16:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | how much is 75°F in real temperatures? |
16:46 | <goodger> | Eddi|zuHause: about 23-ish |
16:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | 25°C? |
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16:46 | <goodger> | 23.8888889 |
16:46 | <goodger> | *shrug* |
16:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that's a cool summer you have there |
16:47 | <Nite_Owl> | not summer just tropical |
16:47 | <goodger> | Nite_Owl: where are you? |
16:48 | <SmatZ> | goodger: maybe I will give them to my father, he has many old CDs as decoration ;) also, we are scaring birds with old CDs (but they aren't very scared :-/ |
16:49 | <goodger> | heh |
16:49 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that's one of the xkcds that i can't relate to |
16:49 | <Eddi|zuHause> | what strikes me as odd about this, though |
16:49 | <Nite_Owl> | goodger: south |
16:49 | <Eddi|zuHause> | "penis: 14cm" |
16:49 | <goodger> | Nite_Owl: obviously |
16:50 | <goodger> | Eddi|zuHause: yes, that's a joke... |
16:50 | <goodger> | do I have to dispense a withering look? |
16:50 | <SmatZ> | Eddi|zuHause: two litter bottle : 3L |
16:51 | <goodger> | yeah, that's odd |
16:52 | <goodger> | the US usually uses its weird customary units except for 2L drink bottles |
16:52 | <goodger> | why not have a 70-oz bottle instead? |
16:52 | <SmatZ> | interesting |
16:52 | <goodger> | if they want to use their obscure customary units they should be consistent |
16:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | last time i was in the us, they had 96oz bottles |
16:53 | <goodger> | Eddi|zuHause: that's nearly 3L |
16:53 | <goodger> | hence different |
16:53 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes |
16:53 | <+glx> | 350mL: soda can <-- false a can is 330mL |
16:53 | <petern> | not everywhere |
16:53 | <Eddi|zuHause> | glx: only metric cans :p |
16:54 | <goodger> | glx: a US soda can is 12 fl.oz. = 354ml |
16:54 | <+glx> | that's why they're fat |
16:54 | <goodger> | er, no, the lack of pavements is why they're fat |
16:54 | <petern> | they have pavements |
16:54 | <petern> | they drive cars on them |
16:54 | <petern> | or rather, automobiles |
16:55 | <SmatZ> | on pavements? |
16:55 | <Eddi|zuHause> | germany used to have 0,5l cans (especially for beer) |
16:55 | <petern> | yes |
16:55 | <+glx> | Eddi|zuHause: we have that too |
16:55 | <SmatZ> | Eddi|zuHause: you don't have anymore? |
16:55 | <SmatZ> | petern: interesting |
16:55 | <goodger> | petern: "automobile" is a perfectly good word for a car in the UK also |
16:55 | <goodger> | Eddi|zuHause: norway still has them |
16:55 | <petern> | pavements == road in us... |
16:55 | <petern> | goodger, yes, but car isn't in the us |
16:55 | <SmatZ> | petern: ahhh :) |
16:55 | <goodger> | sidewalk! |
16:55 | <goodger> | petern: yes it is |
16:55 | <+glx> | but beer is better in bottles |
16:55 | <Eddi|zuHause> | SmatZ: they got unpopular when the government forced a return fee on them |
16:55 | <thingwath> | One beer = 500 ml. |
16:55 | <petern> | "auto" is used more |
16:55 | <@Belugas> | nope... beer is better in the throat |
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16:56 | <petern> | a beer should be 568ml, sheesh :/ |
16:56 | <goodger> | 1 beer = 568ml :P |
16:56 | <Eddi|zuHause> | unless you go to Köln, there "1 beer" will give you 200ml |
16:56 | <thingwath> | Uhm, where? |
16:56 | <frosch123> | cologne |
16:57 | <Eddi|zuHause> | or to München, there you'll get 1l |
16:57 | <thingwath> | (that 568 thing) |
16:57 | <petern> | 568ml being a pint |
16:57 | <petern> | a proper pint, not a us pint |
16:57 | <goodger> | *nod* |
16:58 | <+glx> | silly imperial being not the same in different countries |
16:58 | <petern> | no |
16:58 | <petern> | silly americans for messing up imperial |
16:58 | <petern> | it's hardly imperial's fault |
16:58 | <Eddi|zuHause> | PS: by that table, it is FUCKFUCKFUCKCOLD |
16:58 | <goodger> | one of the few remaining imperial measures in use in the UK |
16:59 | <goodger> | we have mph/miles [for cars], pints [for milk and beer], psi [for car tyres] and stones/pounds/feet/inches [for measuring people] |
16:59 | <petern> | and 454g for bags of sugar... |
16:59 | <gynter> | how old must company be to buy shares from? |
17:00 | <petern> | 5 years i think |
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17:00 | <+glx> | if it's allowed by settings |
17:00 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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17:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | germany has very few non-metric measures still in use |
17:00 | <goodger> | that's about it, I think |
17:00 | <goodger> | petern: no, 1kg for sugar.. :S |
17:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | funny is the pound |
17:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | which got metrified |
17:01 | <+glx> | 500g |
17:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | to 500g |
17:01 | <+glx> | that's the unit for baby's weight |
17:01 | <goodger> | well, that's ok |
17:01 | <goodger> | calling a half-kilo a pound because it is roughly a pound is fine |
17:01 | <+glx> | and for butter too |
17:02 | <goodger> | we would call a half-litre a pint, no doubt, if we started using metric for drinks |
17:03 | * | Sacro hates getting 14oz of drink |
17:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i really wonder why you didn't do that already |
17:03 | <goodger> | Eddi|zuHause: nationalists |
17:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | cut drink content by 10%, charge same price |
17:03 | <SmatZ> | are UK and US units the same? pound, gallon, inch... ? |
17:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's really a no-brainer |
17:03 | <petern> | SmatZ: no |
17:03 | <+glx> | gallon is not the same |
17:03 | <SmatZ> | that's even more confusing :( |
17:03 | <frosch123> | they wait for calling a half euro a pound |
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17:03 | <petern> | well |
17:03 | <petern> | pund and inches are |
17:03 | <petern> | er |
17:03 | <petern> | pounds and inches |
17:03 | <petern> | but they don't use stones |
17:03 | <goodger> | SmatZ: the pound and inch are the same, the gallon and pint are wildly different (and they don't use stones) |
17:04 | <+glx> | they have differences for volumes mainly |
17:04 | <petern> | 473ml vs 568ml |
17:04 | <SmatZ> | thanks :-) |
17:04 | <goodger> | frosch123: £1 will soon be worth 0,50€ so that will be OK |
17:04 | <petern> | hence american mpgs look lower than english mpgs... |
17:04 | <goodger> | oh, we also quote our car's fuel consumption in miles per gallon |
17:05 | <+glx> | L/100Km is easier to compare I think |
17:05 | <goodger> | glx: mpg is impossible to compare because it's effectively a log scale |
17:05 | <goodger> | the difference between 19 and 20 mpg is more than the difference between 20 and 21 |
17:06 | <@Belugas> | night all |
17:06 | <petern> | no it's not |
17:06 | <petern> | it's a difference of 1 mile to a gallon |
17:07 | <goodger> | ah, but if you want to compare how much fuel the two cars use, then it is different |
17:07 | <Eddi|zuHause> | how did we manage to get from cold temperatures to how far cars can go? |
17:08 | <+glx> | anyway 20L/100Km may scare them :) |
17:08 | <thingwath> | evil imperial units |
17:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | lmao :p |
17:09 | <thingwath> | 20l/100km is scary |
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17:09 | <+glx> | but usual for a big V8 |
17:10 | <goodger> | 19 mpg = 12.37 l/km; 20 mpg = 11.76 l/100km (0.61 less); 21 mpg = 11.20 l/100km (0.56 less) |
17:10 | <+glx> | so it's a unit for the bigger the better :) |
17:11 | <goodger> | so, changing from 20 to 21 is not as effective as changing from 19 to 20 |
17:12 | <thingwath> | but still by only a tiny difference |
17:13 | <goodger> | in fact, changing from 52 to 60 mpg is the same as changing from 19 to 20 mpg |
17:13 | <goodger> | in terms of improvement in fuel consumption |
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17:13 | <goodger> | which is why this sort of scale is very bad when trying to get people to improve their cars |
17:14 | <frosch123> | then express it in improvement of propulsion |
17:14 | <entropy> | is there any mechanism of changing the minimal production of industries? |
17:14 | <goodger> | well, no, it should just be expressed in l/100km all the way through |
17:14 | <frosch123> | on in the amount of gas stations you can close |
17:15 | <frosch123> | entropy: press ctrl-alt-c and activate modifying of production |
17:15 | <entropy> | :( multiplayer |
17:16 | <petern> | co2/km |
17:16 | <thingwath> | goodger: even for a tanks or other armored vehicles? :) |
17:16 | <+glx> | co2/km doesn't mean much |
17:16 | <+glx> | it depends on L/100km |
17:16 | <goodger> | thingwath: especially |
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17:17 | <goodger> | glx: CO2/km is in fact the fundamental unit of fuel economy |
17:17 | <goodger> | a litre of diesel fuel contains more energy than a litre of gasoline |
17:17 | <goodger> | so comparing diesels and petrols on the basis of L/100km is pointless |
17:17 | <+glx> | but for common people it means nothing |
17:17 | <petern> | as i understand it, at some point some us car makers pumped extra air into the exhaust to lower the %age of bad stuff |
17:17 | <thingwath> | well, there is a myth, that tank has 100l/100km :) |
17:18 | <petern> | what? |
17:18 | <+glx> | thingwath: no it's true :) |
17:18 | <Sacro> | FAT BOTTOMED GIRLS YOU MAKE THE ROCKIN' WORLD GO ROUND |
17:18 | <thingwath> | true for which tank? |
17:18 | <goodger> | thingwath: about 700 I think |
17:18 | <goodger> | for some tanks |
17:18 | <goodger> | some arbitrary tank |
17:18 | <thingwath> | (and what fuel) |
17:18 | <Vikthor> | glx: depends on which tank and terrain it ravels trough |
17:19 | <SmatZ> | and what 100km |
17:19 | <thingwath> | well, it doesn't get that low |
17:19 | <SmatZ> | city/highway/forest/water/desert... |
17:19 | <SmatZ> | combined :) |
17:19 | <+glx> | and usually the unit is L/h for those |
17:19 | <entropy> | tanks don't use gasoline :) |
17:19 | <petern> | entropy: wrong |
17:19 | <SmatZ> | indeed, glx :) |
17:20 | <petern> | when do we find a cheap source of hydrogen? |
17:20 | <entropy> | no, for example, russian T-80 have a gas turbine |
17:20 | <thingwath> | old german tanks had gasoline engines |
17:21 | <goodger> | petern: we have one now, it is harvestable cheaply from the burning of natural gas |
17:21 | <goodger> | when we run out of natural gas we will probably be forced to electrolyse water, which will have to be powered by solar or something |
17:21 | <entropy> | abd t-90 uses diesel engine |
17:22 | <Vikthor> | goodger: ehmm, natural gas is not currently much available around Europe :) |
17:22 | <thingwath> | Russia is still in Europe, partly :o) |
17:23 | <goodger> | true... |
17:23 | <fjb> | I found the diesel consumption of the german Leopard 2 tank: |
17:23 | <fjb> | Straße: ca. 340 l/100 km, ca. 340 km |
17:23 | <fjb> | |
17:23 | <fjb> | Gelände: ca. 530 l/100 km, ca. 220 km |
17:23 | <fjb> | Mittel: ca. 410 l/100 km, ca. 280 km |
17:23 | <fjb> | Standlauf: 12,5 l/h, 72–93 Stunden (bei 900–1.160 Liter Kraftstoffmenge) |
17:23 | <Vikthor> | thingwath: But most of it's gas reservers aren't anyway |
17:23 | <Vikthor> | * its and *reserves |
17:24 | <Eddi|zuHause> | fjb: if you then consider that the thing can go 120km/h |
17:25 | <thingwath> | where? |
17:25 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you need to refill twice before you reach paris :p |
17:25 | <frosch123> | verically falling |
17:25 | <fjb> | But still quite much. |
17:26 | <thingwath> | another question is how far it can go before the engine need replacement |
17:28 | <fjb> | Engine replacement in the field takes about 15 mins, so you are not delayed that much. |
17:29 | <thingwath> | new engines are expensive :) |
17:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i don't think the engine of the tank is the most expensive :p |
17:30 | <fjb> | Nobody considers that when buying or using military equipment. :-) |
17:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but i was not in a tank unit, i don't knwo |
17:30 | <thingwath> | But I want to conquer the world... and I have only very limited budget :/ |
17:31 | <goodger> | thingwath: get venture capital |
17:31 | <frosch123> | no, it is important that you can get spare parts for 50 years |
17:32 | <+glx> | spare parts and people able to use them |
17:32 | <+glx> | s/use/repair/ |
17:32 | <+glx> | that's a problem for nuclear plants |
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17:33 | <+glx> | and it's even worse with increased usage of electronic components |
17:33 | <fjb> | How can I read my C-64 disks? |
17:33 | <+glx> | 3" disks? |
17:33 | <petern> | with a C64 |
17:34 | <goodger> | fjb: what filesystem did it use? |
17:35 | <fjb> | Standard Commodore filesystem and one has a strange filesystem aparently only used by Data Becker. |
17:36 | <goodger> | you're screwed |
17:37 | <fjb> | I thought that. But I should have some printouts of my old Basic stuff. :-) |
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17:39 | <fjb> | But that is one of the reasons why I'm still using film to capture pictures. |
17:40 | <goodger> | well, computers will be backward-compatible with CD/DVD/BluRay until the end of time |
17:40 | <fjb> | As always... |
17:40 | <frosch123> | as long as harddisk capacity increases as fast as your needs there is no problem |
17:41 | <fjb> | But you have to copy everything over and over again. Most people forget about that. |
17:41 | <thingwath> | it increases much faster, few last years :-) |
17:41 | <petern> | goodger, as i understand it the C64 disk controller was 'special' in that software could run on it |
17:41 | <petern> | and thus disks could be whatever format chosen... |
17:42 | <frosch123> | fjb: when I buy a new harddisk, I copy all data on it. That is only one task |
17:42 | <goodger> | ah |
17:42 | <matias> | hmm.. what do you think about this one: http://www.matelijat.net/kuvat/3-way_junction.png |
17:42 | * | goodger does not know whether he will be able to remove disks from his lvm while preserving the filesystem... |
17:43 | <fjb> | And you hopefully have a second harddisk for backups. |
17:43 | <+glx> | matias: it needs signals |
17:43 | <matias> | yes, i didn't make them |
17:43 | <matias> | main line goes from left to right |
17:43 | <Eddi|zuHause> | matias: does not look very realistic to me |
17:43 | <frosch123> | fjb: including the old harddisk I have about 5 backups for the oldest data |
17:44 | <fjb> | Better only old data then none. |
17:44 | <frosch123> | and did you ever tried to read a burned cd older than 5 years |
17:45 | <+glx> | yes, no problems |
17:45 | <frosch123> | or a 3.5" floppy from middle 90s |
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17:45 | <fjb> | Depends heavily on the combination of burner and cd. |
17:45 | <+glx> | floppies are another story |
17:46 | <frosch123> | maybe, but I am happy to only store stuff on (external) harddisks |
17:46 | <fjb> | I have some difficulty to read DVDs about a year old while other three year old DVDs are fine. |
17:46 | <matias> | glx: but is it fast if i would place the signals? |
17:46 | <frosch123> | btw. 360k floppys are no problem |
17:47 | <+glx> | 1.44M are worse |
17:47 | <fjb> | The sectors of 360k floppies are quite big. |
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17:49 | <+glx> | ejection system is silly |
17:49 | <Sacro> | erection system? |
17:49 | <fjb> | Btw, I'm missing gosub and return as advanced orders. :-) |
17:49 | <goodger> | Sacro: I know more about that than I probably shoul |
17:49 | <goodger> | d |
17:52 | <gynter> | hmm |
17:53 | <gynter> | you know that you can earn money with shares & 2 companies? |
17:53 | <matias> | glx: tried to fix Half Cloverleaf problems: join before leave, turn left to go right.. |
17:53 | <Yexo> | gynter: see http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Multiplayer_cheating |
17:54 | <Yexo> | matias: it has a very slow turn in the middle |
17:54 | <matias> | Yexo: yes, it should be larger |
17:54 | <gynter> | hmm making a config option which disables money as company value would be good :P |
17:54 | <matias> | Yexo: scale up :) |
17:55 | <Yexo> | in that case: con: too big :p |
17:55 | <matias> | Yexo: half cloverleaf has worse turn.. 180 dec |
17:56 | <Yexo> | matias: were did I say the half cloverleaf was any good? |
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17:56 | <matias> | Yexo: what should i look? |
17:56 | <Yexo> | http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Half_Spaghetti <- that is a decent one |
17:57 | <Yexo> | http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Ultimate_3-way_junction <- and that the best one |
17:57 | <Yexo> | depends on what you want of course |
17:57 | <goodger> | the ultimate 3-way junction demands an awful lot of space |
17:57 | <goodger> | in my experience there usually isn't that much space between towns |
17:57 | <Yexo> | in that case, try the Half Transmogrified junction |
17:58 | <goodger> | or at least stations |
17:58 | <Yexo> | better yet, don't use any pre-made junctions but just make them up on-the-fly depending on the current situation (space, hiils?, etc.) |
17:58 | <goodger> | that's very inefficient |
17:59 | <Yexo> | why is that inefficient? |
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18:00 | <goodger> | well, these designs have all been created for efficiency |
18:00 | <goodger> | presumably any attempt of mine to build a junction will be less efficient |
18:00 | <matias> | Yexo: half-spaghetti downside: turn right to turn left |
18:00 | <Yexo> | matias: since we have yapf, that is not reallly a problem anymore |
18:01 | <matias> | yapf? |
18:01 | <Yexo> | don't botter about that, just remember that turning right to turn left is not a problem |
18:01 | <matias> | ah, pathfinder |
18:01 | <Yexo> | yapf = a 'new' train pathfinder, were 'new' is a few years old now |
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18:02 | <Yexo> | goodger: that's al nice, but what if there is a mountain side I want to create a junction on? I can't use any of the standard onces without flattening the whole mountain |
18:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | any train pathfinder available in openttd is "new" |
18:03 | <+glx> | Yexo: you gave NTP definition |
18:03 | <+glx> | yapf is Yet Another PathFinder |
18:03 | <Yexo> | glx: it was not meant to be the definition, I know what yapf (and ntp) stand for |
18:04 | <matias> | which junctions you usually use? |
18:05 | <Aali> | i'm thinking maybe having a list of pre-made junctions at the wiki isn't such a good idea |
18:05 | <+glx> | building junctions is the best part of the game for me |
18:06 | <matias> | Aali: why not? it gives you an idea how to make efficient tracks |
18:06 | <Yexo> | I agree with glx :) |
18:06 | <Aali> | its definitely a big part of the game if you like trains |
18:06 | <Yexo> | Aali: it's good to have a list to get inspiration for new players |
18:06 | <Aali> | i know |
18:07 | <Aali> | but still, you want to learn how to improvise, build something of your own :) |
18:07 | <matias> | as a new user i made individual tracks because of i didn't know how to make a good junction |
18:07 | <Aali> | thats where the fun starts |
18:07 | <frosch123> | the best part of the game is to press ctrl-v and paste the finished network over the landscape :p |
18:07 | <fjb> | I'm usually using: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/YAPP#Basic_junction |
18:07 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no two of my stations ever look the same |
18:08 | <matias> | Aali: this is my own http://www.matelijat.net/kuvat/3-way_junction.png |
18:08 | <matias> | Aali: wihtou signals |
18:08 | <matias> | typos |
18:08 | * | Yexo still thinks it's the most fun to take a running 3-way junction and upgrade it (either make it 4-way or add an extra lane) without stopping or crashing the trains |
18:09 | <Aali> | thats not bad, speed will suffer from that 2x45 curve though :) |
18:09 | <+glx> | and click at the wrong signal :) |
18:09 | <+glx> | oops |
18:09 | <Yexo> | that's part of the game :) |
18:10 | <+glx> | it can be fun with PBS and reserved tracks |
18:10 | <matias> | Aali: slightly longer version wouldn't have that 2x45 curve |
18:12 | <matias> | Aali: and what matters: I played the game first time 2 days ago |
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18:13 | <matias> | never seen transport tycoon before :) |
18:13 | <matias> | ah, that's not right.. never played or seen it played before |
18:16 | <matias> | where can i find how much trains slow down in turns |
18:17 | <Aali> | check out the wiki page on realistic acceleration |
18:17 | <Aali> | and welcome to the community :) |
18:18 | <matias> | ok, so i should get rid of that one.. |
18:18 | <Eddi|zuHause> | how come i am the only person who almost never has "3 way junctions"? |
18:19 | * | fjb has almost never 4-way junctions. |
18:20 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r14881 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Fix (r14880): somehow make didn't think that widgets/dropdown.cpp did depend on window_gui.h... |
18:20 | <fjb> | There are many different ways to play this game. That is most of the fun in my opinion. |
18:20 | <fjb> | This is from my actual game: http://www.imgwelt.de/show.php?code=SRAPO3TZK1H |
18:21 | <Aali> | Eddi|zuHause: your networks look like model railways (which is way cool) :P |
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18:25 | <Eddi|zuHause> | www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Johannes%20Transporte,%2020.%20Okt%201925.png <- i think this is one of my worst junctions... |
18:26 | <Sacro> | zomg XD |
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18:27 | <Eddi|zuHause> | indeed :p |
18:27 | <goodger> | I am inclined to agree |
18:28 | <Aali> | hmm, I only have one screenshot of a junction I've built and it's quite old by now |
18:28 | <Aali> | http://epaaj.no-ip.org/upl/O%27Donnell%20%26%20Co.%2C%2029th%20Sep%202220.png |
18:28 | <fjb> | Fighting against Yexo's ai for water and gold: http://www.imgwelt.de/show.php?code=FS2XC41H1JK |
18:28 | <Aali> | even I get a headache just by looking at it |
18:29 | <Aali> | not all tracks are connected (and they're not supposed to be) |
18:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Johannes%20Transporte,%204.%20Sep%201925.png <- well, other parts of the network looked better than that :) |
18:29 | <Aali> | some tracks aren't even part of the junction, they just take a detour around it |
18:30 | <fjb> | Hm, DBset, reminds my of my attempts to draw some railway equipment. :-( |
18:31 | <goodger> | I like those trees |
18:38 | <matias> | ok, new try: http://www.matelijat.net/kuvat/3-way_junction2.png |
18:43 | <Eddi|zuHause> | looks alright to me, for 130km/h |
18:44 | <matias> | are others faster? |
18:44 | <[com]buster> | depends on how long your trains are... |
18:45 | <Aali> | the ultimate 3-way (from the wiki) is CL3, that is, 3-tile trains dont slow down and others get the penalty for 3 tiles between two curves |
18:46 | <Aali> | your junction is CL2 right now, used to be CL1 |
18:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | matias: how about you have some trains run on it, and then judge whether it performs well enough? |
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18:48 | <matias> | does a curve slow more than a slope? |
18:48 | <Aali> | slopes only slow down if your trains aren't powerful enough ;) |
18:48 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: glx * r14882 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Change: move widgets related files to their own category (MSVC) |
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18:48 | <Aali> | while curve speed limits are constant |
18:49 | <matias> | ok |
18:49 | <Aali> | so it all depends on your trains, but narrow curves are usually much worse |
18:57 | <matias> | is there some statistic from curves / slopes? i think i found one today, but didn't read it |
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19:04 | <WhiteRhino> | Evening, folks. |
19:04 | <goodger> | hello |
19:05 | * | goodger prepares the rhino gun |
19:05 | <WhiteRhino> | Heyyy now. I won't lament about my connection this time, I promise |
19:10 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: truebrain * r14883 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_instance.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: the order of dtors can have devastating effects when wrong .. like asserting on AITestMode when closing |
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19:17 | <WhiteRhino> | Hehe. The Toyland/Mars conversion thing uses all cat names for vehicle brands. |
19:19 | <goodger> | don't see why not |
19:20 | <goodger> | apple have named their operating systems after cats for a decade with great success |
19:20 | <WhiteRhino> | They have? o.O |
19:22 | <FauxFaux> | Leotard. Panther etc. |
19:22 | <goodger> | jaguar, panther, tiger, leopard... |
19:23 | <WhiteRhino> | I know little of apple OS's. =P |
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20:39 | <joachim> | clicking tunnel mouths should select any train in the tunnel... has that been suggested as a patch? |
20:40 | <SmatZ> | I don't remember anyone suggesting this |
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20:41 | <joachim> | ok... i think it would be useful |
20:41 | <FauxFaux> | Get to it. |
20:41 | <goodger> | I agree |
20:41 | * | SmatZ starts coding |
20:42 | <joachim> | i thought about doing it as a first thing, but wanted to know if it was already dismissed |
20:43 | <joachim> | cause it seems pretty obvious... :) |
20:43 | <Yexo> | after you suggested it, yes, by then it was obvious :) |
20:43 | <Yexo> | this is the kind if suggestion I really like. Small, easy to code but still a nice improvement |
20:46 | <goodger> | *nod* |
20:47 | <SmatZ> | error: vahicle_gui.h: not a file or directory |
20:47 | <SmatZ> | ‘const struct Vehicle’ has no member named ‘IsPrimatyVehicle’ |
20:47 | <SmatZ> | I have typo like in every second word :-/ |
20:47 | * | goodger smirks |
20:48 | * | SmatZ tests the patch |
20:48 | <goodger> | this might be a new record |
20:49 | <goodger> | from wishlist bug submission to patch commit, eleven minutes |
20:50 | <SmatZ> | I didn't say anything about commit :) |
20:50 | <goodger> | meh |
20:50 | <SmatZ> | other devs would have to say their opinion |
20:50 | <joachim> | :) |
20:50 | <goodger> | it was only 9 mins at that time |
20:50 | <goodger> | you might have discussed and committed it within the next two |
20:51 | <Yexo> | if you do this for trains, what about road vehicles? |
20:52 | <SmatZ> | http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/click_tunnel.diff maybe something like this |
20:53 | <Yexo> | what happens when an non-player buildable vehicle (like an ufo) is at that tile? |
20:54 | <SmatZ> | Yexo: v->IsPrimaryVehicle() returns false |
20:54 | <SmatZ> | I hope :) |
20:54 | <SmatZ> | if not, then I broke things a few commits ago :-P |
20:54 | <Yexo> | it does |
20:54 | <SmatZ> | great :) |
20:55 | <joachim> | looks good :) |
20:55 | <goodger> | hurrah |
20:56 | <SmatZ> | :-) |
20:56 | <goodger> | \o/ |
21:03 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: smatz * r14884 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Codechange: simplify code responsible for opening vehicle view windows |
21:03 | <goodger> | heh |
21:05 | * | SmatZ likes commits with more lines removed than added :) |
21:05 | <goodger> | yes, always good |
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21:22 | <@Belugas> | let's go SmatZ, let's go! |
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21:26 | <+glx> | bad Lakie :) |
21:27 | <+glx> | trying to steal your nick? |
21:27 | <Lakie> | Hmm? |
21:27 | <Lakie> | Nope. |
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21:37 | <SmatZ> | Belugas: I thought everyone is sleeping :-) |
21:37 | <SmatZ> | good night for now ;) |
21:38 | <@Belugas> | night SmatZ |
21:39 | <@Belugas> | no, i'm still working |
21:44 | <WhiteRhino> | I'm awake, just doing other stuff. =P |
21:50 | <thingwath> | if have only commits with more lines removed then added, eventually we would have no code at all (oh, yes, it could really improve compile times) |
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22:03 | <@Belugas> | not a word, you promised! |
22:03 | <WhiteRhino> | I didn't say a word, I let out a breath. >.> |
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22:07 | <@Belugas> | wb Lakie |
22:08 | <Lakie> | Hi Belugas. |
22:09 | <Lakie> | Hows newObjects going? |
22:09 | <@Belugas> | working hard? |
22:09 | <@Belugas> | in restore more :) |
22:10 | <@Belugas> | i'm trying, slowly, little by little, to put things up togueter |
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22:10 | <@Belugas> | as well on code as in my mind ;) |
22:10 | <Lakie> | Thats a good plan, avoid's burning one-self out. |
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22:12 | <@Belugas> | yup yup |
22:13 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Belugas: we have -23°C here |
22:13 | <Lakie> | Heh, and I thought it being -7C here was cold... |
22:14 | <Eddi|zuHause> | oh, and lovely snow ;) |
22:14 | <@Belugas> | Eddi|zuHause, i sympathize, 'cause i know how brutal it is :) |
22:14 | <Lakie> | That, we don't get here. :( |
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22:14 | <Lakie> | Never snows around where I live, but if you go like 10 miles away it does. ;_; |
22:15 | <goodger> | -6 here... |
22:15 | <thingwath> | -23 is almost too cold :) |
22:15 | <goodger> | Lakie: I can sympathise, no snow here either, but sometimes, 10 miles away |
22:15 | <Sacro> | bah |
22:15 | <Sacro> | no such temperature |
22:15 | <@Belugas> | Lakie, i think i'd better be at your place, honestly :) |
22:15 | <Sacro> | when i where a lad it got down to -40 |
22:15 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it is actually FUCKFUCKFUCKCOLD |
22:16 | <goodger> | Eddi|zuHause: :D |
22:16 | <Sacro> | Eddi|zuHause: stop whinging :p |
22:16 | <goodger> | Sacro: see the latest xkcd... |
22:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | well, i am not inclined to going outside :p |
22:16 | <Sacro> | Eddi|zuHause: we've noticed |
22:17 | <Sacro> | EGNJ 070250Z AUTO 28008KT 9999NDV OVC023/// 02/00 Q1022 |
22:18 | <@Belugas> | youhou!! another bug killed! |
22:19 | <goodger> | my car has iced up inside |
22:19 | <goodger> | inconsiderate of it |
22:19 | <Sacro> | hehe |
22:19 | <Sacro> | goodger: turn on the fog lights |
22:19 | <Sacro> | and the heaters |
22:19 | <goodger> | I'm not convinced the engine will start |
22:19 | <goodger> | hence heaters will not work |
22:19 | <Sacro> | ahh a french car |
22:20 | <goodger> | no, japanese |
22:20 | <goodger> | I've driven it at -1 before, but never -6 |
22:20 | <Sacro> | french cars never convincingly start |
22:20 | <goodger> | anyway I'm not planning to drive it, but I can see it from my window |
22:20 | <thingwath> | my parents have french car and it is ok even at -10 :) |
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22:21 | * | goodger is quite annoyed that he filled up when petrol had been stable at 89p for _weeks_ and it immediately dropped to 82p |
22:21 | <+glx> | usual :) |
22:22 | <Sacro> | hehe |
22:22 | <+glx> | the other way is true too, stable for weeks and increase when you need it |
22:23 | <thingwath> | I have to buy new season ticket. |
22:24 | <thingwath> | our kind mayor promised that they will have same price for next two years :) |
22:25 | <+glx> | I bet he lied |
22:25 | <thingwath> | Maybe. |
22:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | fuel usually fluctuates by around 5ct during the week here |
22:30 | <Sacro> | hmm, not sure what it is here |
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22:31 | * | Belugas fluctuates his way to his bed |
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23:50 | <lordnokon> | morning everyone |
23:54 | <lordnokon> | i need help please with a couple of things |
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