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---Logopened Mon Feb 02 00:00:40 2009
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00:54*WhiteRhino:#openttd returns. And now on Cable.
00:54<Forked:#openttd>mmm cable
00:55*WhiteRhino:#openttd also watches a set of YouTube videos where a guy plays through X-COM: Enemy Unknown
00:55<Forked:#openttd>I saw gamersgate had some offer on the x-com series.. all of then for £8 or something
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00:58<WhiteRhino:#openttd>I say it's definately worth it. The game's fan-freaking-tastic.
00:59<Forked:#openttd>I know (and remember), but there is this little damned thing called time.. and there aint enough of it :\
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01:03<WhiteRhino:#openttd>Ahh. Yeah, lack of time sucks.. On the plus side, with my new connection, I think I can play OpenTTD online without troubles.
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05:46<dihedral:#openttd>that wee bit of snow, and brits close down the country
05:52<dihedral:#openttd>oh my - this 'ProDigit' kid is a pain up the fuzzy rear end
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05:59<@petern:#openttd>no u
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06:02<@petern:#openttd>grrr, fucking software
06:07<joepie91:#openttd>ok, people i have a problem again :P
06:07<joepie91:#openttd>i expanded my station (with oil incoming, goods outgoing)
06:07<joepie91:#openttd>and now no goods are dropped off by the oil refinery anymore
06:07<joepie91:#openttd>screenshot: http://i40.tinypic.com/9zvul4.png
06:07<joepie91:#openttd>it's in multiplayer, using a cargodest
06:07<joepie91:#openttd>cargodest build*
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06:16<Progman:#openttd>maybe there was no route found to a town which accepts goods
06:17<joepie91:#openttd>as far as i know, the end point supports goods... it always did :S
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06:22<@petern:#openttd>towns can be quite variable for goods, if they're smallish
06:23<Progman:#openttd>the extra line is however not the reason for the cargo (not) drop at the station as the station is still in range
06:24<Sacro:#openttd>since when was petern an op?
06:24<Sacro:#openttd>he's nowhere near mature enough
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06:29<joepie91:#openttd>hmm
06:29<@petern:#openttd>Sacro: no u
06:30<@petern:#openttd>ur mom
06:30<@petern:#openttd>smells of cheese
06:30<joepie91:#openttd>well, i built a truck line to transport the goods deeper into town... now it works, even tho the train station still shows goods as accepted cargo
06:30<joepie91:#openttd>anyways, it works now
06:32<@petern:#openttd>Sacro, why not?
06:44<Sacro:#openttd>pfft
06:45<@petern:#openttd>what/
06:45*petern:#openttd idly wonders how he's nowhere near mature enough...
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06:55<Celestar:#openttd>\o
06:56<@Rubidium:#openttd>moin?
06:56<Celestar:#openttd>not very, no
06:57<Celestar:#openttd>I'm now sitting on my comp for almost 5 hours for an XP installation :P
06:57<Celestar:#openttd>meanwhile, I managed to INSTALL it
06:57<@Rubidium:#openttd>installing XP doesn't take that long
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06:58<Celestar:#openttd>Rubidium: well, it does if the installation ends up in a bluescreen after 30 seconds
06:58<@Rubidium:#openttd>that's impressive ;)
06:58<Celestar:#openttd>I have meanwhile found out that XP doesn'T work on a SATA disk if the controller is in native mode.
06:59<Celestar:#openttd>if you put it to compatibility mode, you can install it.
06:59<@Rubidium:#openttd>unless you load the right driver in the begin
06:59<Celestar:#openttd>Rubidium: which is difficult on a laptop that doesn't have a floppy disk
06:59<@Rubidium:#openttd>slipstream it into the install cd
06:59<@Rubidium:#openttd>or RIS
07:00<Celestar:#openttd>then installing all drivers for the laptop takes about one hour, since XP doesn'T recognize the NIC.
07:00<Celestar:#openttd>so you have to USB-stick it onto the comp manually.
07:00<Celestar:#openttd>but this is where the fun only begins.
07:00<Celestar:#openttd>I'Ve downloaded the display driver (which is a measly 85MB) and installed it.
07:00<@petern:#openttd>heh
07:00<Celestar:#openttd>everything works, except OpenGL.
07:01<Celestar:#openttd>and this is where I'm stuck
07:01<@petern:#openttd>so, er, install debian and then xp in a virtual machine?
07:01<@Rubidium:#openttd>ofcourse OpenGL doesn't work... it's Windows
07:01<Celestar:#openttd>petern: I have XP 64bit running in a virtual machine just fine.
07:01<Celestar:#openttd>petern: on VMware workstation.
07:02<Celestar:#openttd>but, alas, VMware workstation does not support OpenGL. hence I thought installing XP natively would enable me to run an OpenGL application
07:02<Celestar:#openttd>apparrently, I was mistaken
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07:02<@petern:#openttd>hmm, virtualbox does, i think
07:02<dihedral:#openttd>Celestar, it's not the computer you (used to) develop cargodest on, ist it? (hint hint)
07:03<dihedral:#openttd>s/ist/is/
07:03<Celestar:#openttd>it is.
07:03<dihedral:#openttd>now that's a bummer
07:03<Celestar:#openttd>oh yes. activating XP doesn'T work either with an error 45131
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07:04<dihedral:#openttd>Celestar, why not install linux? :-P
07:04<Celestar:#openttd>dihedral: because it is already installed and running.
07:04<dihedral:#openttd>ohhh
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07:05*dihedral:#openttd has a week off now
07:05<dihedral:#openttd>i am off sick, but hey
07:05<dihedral:#openttd>it's a week where nothing's planned
07:05*dihedral:#openttd will be borred
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07:06<Celestar:#openttd>the questions are: 1) Why does the Lenovo driver for the Radeon not contain a proper openGl part and 2) Why does the ATI driver for their graphics card not recognize the card AT ALL?
07:07<Forked:#openttd>you have nvidia! :p
07:07<dihedral:#openttd>Celestar, try omega drivers
07:07<@petern:#openttd>one of my colleagues has been off work for a month and is signed off for another month
07:07<@petern:#openttd>poor lass
07:07<@petern:#openttd>glandular fever type thing
07:07<Celestar:#openttd>dihedral: I did, with no success so far.
07:08<Celestar:#openttd>dihedral: they don'T recognize the card either.
07:08<dihedral:#openttd>what card do you have?
07:08<Celestar:#openttd>Radeon HD3400.
07:08<dihedral:#openttd>odd
07:08<Celestar:#openttd>dihedral: of course, ATI's linux driver work perfectly on that card.
07:08<dihedral:#openttd>hehe
07:08<Celestar:#openttd>I'm _soo_ tempted to try Win7 on that problem :P
07:09<dihedral:#openttd>yuck
07:09<dihedral:#openttd>that stinks
07:09<dihedral:#openttd>petern, i just need something to do over that time
07:09<Celestar:#openttd>I _need_ to run CATIA
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07:09<@petern:#openttd>dihedral: patch writing? :D
07:09<dihedral:#openttd>yep
07:09<dihedral:#openttd>sounds good to me
07:10<dihedral:#openttd>just let it be something i can actually do
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07:15<Celestar:#openttd>so, how do I force the driver installation :D
07:16<@Rubidium:#openttd>you don't
07:16<@Rubidium:#openttd>you're just plugging in the hardware and praying it works
07:18<Celestar:#openttd>why doesn't setup.exe have --just-do-it switch?!
07:18<@Rubidium:#openttd>because the global variable "iswindows" is set
07:18<Celestar:#openttd>--just-do-it-even-if-iswindows-is-it ?
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07:20<TrueBrain:#openttd>hello lovely people :)
07:20*Celestar:#openttd hugs TrueBrain
07:22<@Rubidium:#openttd>morning TrueBrain
07:22*TrueBrain:#openttd hugs Celestar back :)
07:22<TrueBrain:#openttd>how are you doing?
07:22<Celestar:#openttd>12:57 < Celestar> I'm now sitting on my comp for almost 5 hours for an XP installation :P <= like so
07:23<TrueBrain:#openttd>today I heard the argument pro EEE PC and against mobile, that you can play OpenTTD on your EEE ... how nice is that ;)
07:23<TrueBrain:#openttd>Celestar: poor Celestar .. don't use XP, I say :p
07:23<Celestar:#openttd>TrueBrain: suggestions?
07:23<Zr40:#openttd>TrueBrain :)
07:23<TrueBrain:#openttd>Linux
07:23<TrueBrain:#openttd>dah
07:24<Celestar:#openttd>TrueBrain: I have already installed opensuse 11.1
07:24<Zr40:#openttd>Celestar: recent hardware?
07:24<Celestar:#openttd>and a freebsd as a VM and an XP as a VM
07:24<Celestar:#openttd>Zr40: very
07:24<Zr40:#openttd>why not vista then?
07:24<TrueBrain:#openttd>Celestar: so what is your problem?
07:24<TrueBrain:#openttd>start XP and go do something useful
07:24<TrueBrain:#openttd>like .. cargodest :p
07:24<TrueBrain:#openttd>Zr40: you call Vista an OS?
07:24<TrueBrain:#openttd>poor you
07:25<Zr40:#openttd>oh come on, I have yet to see a valid argument against vista, besides running on old harware
07:25<Zahl:#openttd>hi everybody!
07:25<TrueBrain:#openttd>slow
07:25<TrueBrain:#openttd>crappy
07:25<TrueBrain:#openttd>annoying
07:25<TrueBrain:#openttd>bad
07:25<TrueBrain:#openttd>not compatible
07:25<Zr40:#openttd>sure, I don't agree with certain defaults, but that's what they are, defaults
07:25<Celestar:#openttd>Zr40: no argument yet except that the application that I need to run mostly doesn't work on Vista.
07:25<TrueBrain:#openttd>did I mention: annoying? :p
07:25<Zahl:#openttd>vista = alpha of win7
07:25<TrueBrain:#openttd>hello Zahl
07:25<Zr40:#openttd>TrueBrain: how come I don't experience any of those?
07:26<TrueBrain:#openttd>Vista is like ME
07:26<Celestar:#openttd>Zr40: I mean doesn't run at all·
07:26<TrueBrain:#openttd>Zr40: because you are a bad user? :p
07:26<Zr40:#openttd>Celestar: okay. which app btw?
07:26<Celestar:#openttd>Zr40: CATIA v5R16
07:26<Celestar:#openttd>R14 sorry.
07:26<TrueBrain:#openttd>Zr40: example: when I start my Vista, I have to wait 30 (!) seconds before I can access my internal (!) LAN
07:27<TrueBrain:#openttd>Celestar: we forgive you :)
07:27<Zr40:#openttd>Celestar: is that a CAD app?
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07:27<Zahl:#openttd>in general i think there is no real reson to switch to vista. it really feels like an early unfinished version of windows 7. there is just no reason to use vista instead of xp.
07:27<Zr40:#openttd>TrueBrain: doesn't happen here
07:27<TrueBrain:#openttd>Zr40: so that settles it :)
07:27<TrueBrain:#openttd>lol
07:27<Zahl:#openttd>whereas the windows 7 beta really surprised me positively
07:28<TrueBrain:#openttd>always a nice counter-argument: it doens't happen here :p
07:28<Celestar:#openttd>Zr40: yes.
07:28<Zr40:#openttd>sounds like either a driver or dhcp issue
07:28<TrueBrain:#openttd>Zahl: we will see :)
07:28<TrueBrain:#openttd>Zr40: static IP
07:28<TrueBrain:#openttd>and works under XP :p
07:28<Zr40:#openttd>driver then :)
07:28<Zahl:#openttd>TrueBrain: true :D
07:28<TrueBrain:#openttd>Windows default driver
07:28<TrueBrain:#openttd>sounds nasty ;)
07:28<Zr40:#openttd>well, update it :)
07:28<dihedral:#openttd>Celestar: you can 'right-click' the ini file and it has an option: install
07:28<TrueBrain:#openttd>as I said: crappy, annoying, bad
07:29<Zr40:#openttd>just because of one network boot bug?
07:29<Celestar:#openttd>dihedral: yeah, I'll try that next.
07:29<TrueBrain:#openttd>nah
07:29<TrueBrain:#openttd>just one exaxmple
07:29<Zahl:#openttd>Zr40: oh btw, where is Zircon? :P
07:29*Celestar:#openttd wonders whether it would have been faster to port VMGL to Xen.
07:29<Zr40:#openttd>Zahl: ?
07:29<Zahl:#openttd>Zr40: wasn't that your bot that drew this social network graph? ;)
07:30<Zahl:#openttd>some years ago
07:30<Zr40:#openttd>aaaah, that was ages ago :)
07:30<dihedral:#openttd>TrueBrain, nice to see you here? what brings you into this channel?
07:30<TrueBrain:#openttd>just wondering how people were doing :)
07:30<Celestar:#openttd>TrueBrain: I just find it amazing that ATI's linux driver works perfectly on the graphics card and the windows XP driver doesn'T even find it.
07:31<Zr40:#openttd>Celestar: laptop?
07:31<@petern:#openttd>not in its list of pci device ids...
07:31<Celestar:#openttd>need a specially modified Lenovo driver for it, which apparently lacks usable Opengl support.
07:31<TrueBrain:#openttd>Celestar: hehehehehehe :)
07:31<Celestar:#openttd>Zr40: yes.
07:31<Zr40:#openttd>Celestar: ah yes, the ati drivers refuse to install on 'customized' hardware
07:32<Celestar:#openttd>Zr40: apparently.
07:32<@petern:#openttd>TrueBrain, i can play openttd on my mobile!
07:32<Zr40:#openttd>I think it's the same with nvidia though
07:32<dihedral:#openttd>Zr40: that however does not explain why omega driver would fail also
07:32<@petern:#openttd>it's not very nice though
07:32<TrueBrain:#openttd>petern: yeah ... I know :p
07:32<@petern:#openttd>(using that series 60 port, which is not evil like the pocketpc one)
07:33<Zr40:#openttd>dihedral: maybe it's a new card and the PCI ID hasn't been added to the omega driver?
07:33<Celestar:#openttd>isn't the omega driver basically an older Catalyst minus some bloatware?
07:34<Zr40:#openttd>TrueBrain: see #1 here: http://www.thenetworkadministrator.com/top20.htm
07:35<TrueBrain:#openttd>Zr40: as I said: worst argument ever
07:36<dihedral:#openttd>Celestar, i think it's even more 'modified' than that
07:38<Celestar:#openttd>dihedral: I see
07:39<TrueBrain:#openttd>well, I wish you all a very good day :) Bubuye :)
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07:40<Celestar:#openttd>buwhat?
07:41<Celestar:#openttd>has anyone ever tried a manual Vista installation?
07:42<Sacro:#openttd>Celestar: dd?
07:42<Sacro:#openttd>or cp :p
07:43<Celestar:#openttd>YES!
07:43<Celestar:#openttd>it works!
07:44<dihedral:#openttd>cargodest?
07:44<dihedral:#openttd>:-P
07:45<dihedral:#openttd>the haunting of Celestar
07:46<Zr40:#openttd>Celestar: manual?
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07:47*dihedral:#openttd is borred
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07:49<Zr40:#openttd>meh. this irc client sucks.
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07:49<Zr40:#openttd>what do you use?
07:50<Celestar:#openttd>Zr40: manually forcing XP to install the 9.1 Catalyst drivers
07:51<Celestar:#openttd>Zr40: despite of all the whining that it might be the wrong one
07:51<dihedral:#openttd>Zr40, google
07:51<Zr40:#openttd>dihedral: google doesn't tell me which client you use
07:51<dihedral:#openttd>i use google to find my client
07:52<Celestar:#openttd>all I need now is to teach XP on booting from an AHCI device
07:53*Zr40:#openttd tries HydraIRC
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07:56<Zr40:#openttd>this looks better than xchat :)
07:56<dihedral:#openttd>Zr40, i use xchat and xchat aqua
07:57<Zr40:#openttd>well, if I minimize and then restore xchat, it's no longer maximized
07:57<Zr40:#openttd>and if I click the tray icon, it crashes
07:57<dihedral:#openttd>you are on windows right?
07:57<Zr40:#openttd>right
07:57<dihedral:#openttd>yuck
07:57<Zahl:#openttd>Zr40: http://cod.spieleplanet.eu/images/openttd.png :-)
07:57<Zr40:#openttd>:)
07:59<dihedral:#openttd>that's just nasty
08:00<Gekz:#openttd>Zahl: is that an irssi script
08:00<Gekz:#openttd>or is it worse
08:00<Zahl:#openttd>its worse
08:00<Zahl:#openttd>its written in java :P
08:00<Gekz:#openttd>xchat.
08:00<Gekz:#openttd>OH gOD
08:00<Forked:#openttd>forked: how does this show on that thing?
08:00<Forked:#openttd>forked: I'm not sure, but I can't wait to see!
08:00<Zr40:#openttd>I think it doesn't count talking to yourself :)
08:01<dihedral:#openttd>Forked, it will just correctly show how think you are :-D
08:02<Forked:#openttd>dihedral: think? :\
08:02<dihedral:#openttd>it said that the thinkness of a line is equals the strength of the "relationship"
08:03<dihedral:#openttd>now there will be no line between Forked and Forked will there
08:03<dihedral:#openttd>:-D
08:03<Zr40:#openttd>thick
08:03<Zr40:#openttd>not think :)
08:03<dihedral:#openttd>yes
08:03<dihedral:#openttd>that
08:03<dihedral:#openttd>so you will be an overly FAT blobb :-D
08:03*Zr40:#openttd feels closely related to dihedral
08:03<dihedral:#openttd>shutup
08:03<@petern:#openttd>crap, still snowing
08:03<dihedral:#openttd>:-P
08:03*Zahl:#openttd feels Zr40
08:03<Zahl:#openttd>no wait
08:03<Zahl:#openttd>:-D
08:03<dihedral:#openttd>petern, how much snow ya have yet?
08:04<dihedral:#openttd>my mom's flight got cancled from heathrow because of the snow
08:04<@petern:#openttd>er, a couple of inches :p
08:04<Forked:#openttd>dihedral: oh. thick. Are you calling me fat!?`!+1+1+
08:04-!-Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd
08:04<dihedral:#openttd>i started off calling you thik :-D
08:04<dihedral:#openttd>*thick
08:04<Zahl:#openttd>petern: is it ok to have a bot in the chan that doesn't say anything and just draws fancy images? =)
08:04<planetmaker:#openttd>good day folks
08:05<@Rubidium:#openttd>just highlight everyone and it'll ruin his experiment!
08:05<Zahl:#openttd>true :/
08:05<Zr40:#openttd>Rubidium, not really, those will be weak links and disappear shortly after
08:05<Forked:#openttd>Rubidium: I was pondering about that.. just to be the central name on the image thingy
08:05<planetmaker:#openttd>(at)nicks? :P
08:05<Forked:#openttd>but one would likely be booted for being highly annoying
08:05<dihedral:#openttd>Rubidium, the @nicks command will do that for ya
08:05<Zahl:#openttd>well it has some temporal decay, so after some time it should normalize again
08:05<Forked:#openttd>Gekz: you're on the other side of the swarm !
08:05<Gekz:#openttd>... I care why
08:05<Zahl:#openttd>axcept if somebody keeps doing that
08:06<@petern:#openttd>@nicks
08:06<@DorpsGek:#openttd>petern: Aali, AllenJB, Ammler, andy`, ArmEagle, Arthemax, bandi_zz, Belugas, Bergee, blathijs, bleepy, Born_Acorn, canidae, ccfreak2k, Celestar, CIA-1, const86, DaleStan, DASPRiD, davis-, De_Ghosty, dfox, dihedral, doc, DorpsGek, Dr_Jekyll, Eddi|zuHause, el_en, el_en_dash, elmex, Entane, eQualizer, FauxFaux, fjb, FloSoft, Forked, Gekz, genclay, George, GoneWacko, goodger, guru3, HansAffe, HerzogDeXtEr, izhirahider, (2 more messages)
08:06<Zr40:#openttd>if someone keeps doing that, he'll be kicked I presume :)
08:06<Zahl:#openttd>-.-
08:06<@petern:#openttd>@nicks
08:06<@DorpsGek:#openttd>petern: Aali, AllenJB, Ammler, andy`, ArmEagle, Arthemax, bandi_zz, Belugas, Bergee, blathijs, bleepy, Born_Acorn, canidae, ccfreak2k, Celestar, CIA-1, const86, DaleStan, DASPRiD, davis-, De_Ghosty, dfox, dihedral, doc, DorpsGek, Dr_Jekyll, Eddi|zuHause, el_en, el_en_dash, elmex, Entane, eQualizer, FauxFaux, fjb, FloSoft, Forked, Gekz, genclay, George, GoneWacko, goodger, guru3, HansAffe, HerzogDeXtEr, izhirahider, (2 more messages)
08:06<@petern:#openttd>@nicks
08:06<thingwath:#openttd>it's very dynamic, after an hour or so there will be no lines (which is why don't like it, I can remember what happened last hour)
08:06<@DorpsGek:#openttd>petern: Aali, AllenJB, Ammler, andy`, ArmEagle, Arthemax, bandi_zz, Belugas, Bergee, blathijs, bleepy, Born_Acorn, canidae, ccfreak2k, Celestar, CIA-1, const86, DaleStan, DASPRiD, davis-, De_Ghosty, dfox, dihedral, doc, DorpsGek, Dr_Jekyll, Eddi|zuHause, el_en, el_en_dash, elmex, Entane, eQualizer, FauxFaux, fjb, FloSoft, Forked, Gekz, genclay, George, GoneWacko, goodger, guru3, HansAffe, HerzogDeXtEr, izhirahider, (2 more messages)
08:06<Forked:#openttd>oy
08:06<Zahl:#openttd>there we go
08:06<Forked:#openttd>petern: you only get for "petern:" ?
08:06<@petern:#openttd>HEY THAT'S A USEFUL COMMAND GUYS
08:06<@Rubidium:#openttd>@more ?
08:06<@DorpsGek:#openttd>Rubidium: Error: I haven't seen ?.
08:06<blathijs:#openttd>Why does that feature even exist?
08:06<@petern:#openttd>@more
08:06<@DorpsGek:#openttd>petern: joepie91, jpm, lobster, Mark, Mark_, michi_cc, mikegrb, mikl, Mortal, Mortomes, Mucht, murr4y, neli, nfc, Noldo, orudge, Osai, patchie, petern, Phoenix_the_II, planetmaker, Priski, Prof_Frink, Progman, Quaver, Rexxie, Ridayah, Rubidium, RvGaTe, Sacro, sigmund, Sionide, SmatZ, smeding, SmoovTruck, snappy, snorre, SpComb, Splex, sunkan, svip, Tefad, TheMask96, thingwath, TinoDidriksen, tkjacobsen, tneo, tokai, (1 more message)
08:06<@petern:#openttd>@more
08:06<@DorpsGek:#openttd>petern: tosse, ttdopen, valhallasw, Vikthor, welshdragon, welterde, wgrant, wolfryu, worldemar, xahodo, Xaroth, xerxesdaphat, XeryusTC, Zahl, Zealotus, Zorn|, Zr40, and |Japa|
08:06<@petern:#openttd>OH HEY
08:06<Zr40:#openttd>oh, dorpsgek will be in the centre now! :)
08:06<dihedral:#openttd>nicely played petern
08:06<TinoDidriksen:#openttd>...why would you make such a thing...
08:06<Mortal:#openttd>why hello there
08:07<@petern:#openttd>stupid bot
08:07<Dr_Jekyll:#openttd>yes, now we are all awake...
08:07<mikl:#openttd>hmmm?
08:07<@petern:#openttd>lol
08:07<mikl:#openttd>quite so.
08:07<Mortal:#openttd>...yes petern, what a silly bot
08:07<SpComb:#openttd>someone's playing with piespy again
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08:07<Forked:#openttd>mikl: I'm including you in the cloud.
08:07<@petern:#openttd>a lurker left!
08:07<Dr_Jekyll:#openttd>but i got an easy way to avoid highlights
08:07<SpComb:#openttd>hey, you should do that more often
08:07-!-Dr_Jekyll is now known as comanche3
08:07<comanche3:#openttd>;)
08:08<@petern:#openttd>comanche3: avoid, eh?
08:08<mikl:#openttd>Forked: yay :)
08:08<Mortal:#openttd>A lurker appears!
08:08<Zahl:#openttd>no, you are not going to prove him wrong now :P
08:08<@petern:#openttd>i'm not?
08:08<comanche3:#openttd>stealth mode: on
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08:08<Forked:#openttd>well I'm gonna stop caring about this and return to work :\ it was ..fun, I guess
08:08*Zahl:#openttd sees another highlight-wave coming
08:08<@petern:#openttd>@openttd bugs
08:08<@DorpsGek:#openttd>petern: Temporary Offline
08:08<@petern:#openttd>see
08:08<@petern:#openttd>the only useful thing it does it doesn't do any more...
08:09<Zahl:#openttd>lol
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08:09<@petern:#openttd>Zr40, i hope you liked my compromise
08:10<Zr40:#openttd>the setting?
08:10<@petern:#openttd>yeah
08:10<mikl:#openttd>funny that petern's best friend is the bot :)
08:10<Zr40:#openttd>yes, that's fine
08:10<@petern:#openttd>no one else wanted to be my friend
08:10<Zahl:#openttd>what about your hand? :P
08:11<@petern:#openttd>i need that to type
08:11<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: yes
08:11<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: they
08:11<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: would
08:11<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: but
08:11<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: it
08:11<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: would
08:11<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: be
08:11<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: seen
08:11<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: as
08:11<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: spamming
08:11<Zr40:#openttd>Rubidium, it also connects people from context
08:12<Zr40:#openttd>so if we talk together often, it will link us even if I don't prefix my messages with Rubidium
08:12<@petern:#openttd>Zr40: how often does it update? seems to be... uh... very often
08:12<Zahl:#openttd>i tried to add a new heuristic to it
08:12<@petern:#openttd>Belugas! newmusic!
08:12<Zr40:#openttd>apparently on every line
08:12<Zahl:#openttd>that accounts time between messages
08:12<@petern:#openttd>yay, he's linked :D
08:13<@petern:#openttd>@seen bjarni
08:13<@DorpsGek:#openttd>petern: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 43 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Bjarni> hi Wolf01
08:13<mikl:#openttd>hmm, who runs that bot?
08:13<Zahl:#openttd>me
08:13<@Rubidium:#openttd>and Celestar got hidden behind the title
08:13<mikl:#openttd>oh
08:13<Zr40:#openttd>not anymore :)
08:13<@petern:#openttd>that's cos he's busy coding cargodest
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08:13<mikl:#openttd>Celestar hasn't chatted a lot since this started tracking, apparently
08:13<Zahl:#openttd>and if you would've asked "who ruins that bot?" it would have been DorpsGek.. or petern :-D
08:14<Zr40:#openttd>I don't disagree with him
08:14<mikl:#openttd>I shoud probably code instead of chat, too :)
08:14<Zr40:#openttd>this kind of bot seems to invite highlight spam
08:14<@petern:#openttd>we'll get over it
08:14<Zahl:#openttd>hopefully in an hour people are done with that ^^
08:14<@Rubidium:#openttd>can we have imaginary friend like HansAffe ?
08:14<mikl:#openttd>yeah, probably
08:15<@petern:#openttd>HansAffe, will you marry me?
08:15<Zr40:#openttd>you can have as many imaginary friends as you'd like
08:15<mikl:#openttd>my interest in that sort of thing tends to be very short-lived
08:15<@petern:#openttd>HansAffe, do you exclude yourself?
08:15<mikl:#openttd>not that it's not interesting, but it gets old
08:15<Zr40:#openttd>either that, or it only includes those who actually say something
08:15<mikl:#openttd>I suppose it's that way with most people
08:16<@petern:#openttd>yeah, i'm bored of mikl :D
08:16<@Rubidium:#openttd>or it isn't updating the image anymore ;)
08:16<Zahl:#openttd>yeah, and when people are done playing around it might actually draw something that resembles actual structures in this chan :)
08:16<mikl:#openttd>awww :'/
08:16<@petern:#openttd>joking
08:16<Zahl:#openttd>we all like mikl
08:18<Zr40:#openttd>so, what's this cargodest you're talking about?
08:18<@Rubidium:#openttd>ancient
08:19<+glx:#openttd>outdated
08:19*dihedral:#openttd hugs petern, Rubidium, glx, and TrueBrain
08:19<dihedral:#openttd>:-P
08:19<+glx:#openttd>(well in need for an update)
08:19*Rubidium:#openttd slaps dihedral
08:19<dihedral:#openttd>fine!
08:19<dihedral:#openttd>be like that
08:19<@petern:#openttd>hugs with beer?
08:20<@Rubidium:#openttd>would that strengthen the relationship or not?
08:20<dihedral:#openttd>hugs with slaps?
08:20<dihedral:#openttd>hihi
08:20<dihedral:#openttd>Rubidium, it'll be a dotted line :-D
08:20<Zr40:#openttd>Rubidium, it would for some people!
08:20<dihedral:#openttd>if you slap someone more often, a thick dotted line
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08:20<Yexo:#openttd>hello
08:20<Zr40:#openttd>hi
08:21<Zahl:#openttd>hi Yexo
08:21-!-nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd
08:21*dihedral:#openttd tries to move Yexo more into the center of the map
08:21<@Rubidium:#openttd>dihedral: don't tease Yexo... he has work to do
08:21<Yexo:#openttd>ohoh, what kindof work?
08:22<dihedral:#openttd>i want work to do too
08:22<@Rubidium:#openttd>Yexo: breathing?
08:22<dihedral:#openttd>but i am off sick, and petern has not given me any patch jobs yet
08:22<dihedral:#openttd>:-D
08:22<@Rubidium:#openttd>dihedral: go fix some memory leaks in Squirrel
08:22<dihedral:#openttd>Yexo, http://cod.spieleplanet.eu/images/openttd.png
08:22<@petern:#openttd>oh did have you give you one?
08:22<dihedral:#openttd>Rubidium, perhaps something i am actually gonna have a chance of succeeding with?
08:23<@petern:#openttd>how about a non-programming task?
08:23<Zahl:#openttd>dihedral: count to 10 while your eyes are closed
08:23<dihedral:#openttd>...
08:23<dihedral:#openttd>petern, which would be?
08:23<Zr40:#openttd>play openttd?
08:23<@petern:#openttd>come up with a decent solution for rail/road types and tunnels
08:23<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: like updating the wiki (settings section)?
08:23<Zahl:#openttd>invent a new heuristic for the bot
08:24<Zr40:#openttd>Zahl, crystal sphere?
08:24<Zahl:#openttd>wut?
08:24<Zr40:#openttd>it's the ultimate heuristic!
08:24<Zr40:#openttd>the bot won't even have to be in the channel then!
08:24<Zahl:#openttd>yay... do it!
08:25<@Rubidium:#openttd>why bother with the heuristics? We already know what the answer is going to be
08:25<Zr40:#openttd>no way, I'm not touching Java!
08:25<Zahl:#openttd>well i did, and i sweared a lot
08:25<Zahl:#openttd>in the end, it worked
08:25<planetmaker:#openttd>dihedral: or like "updating" custom bridgheads :P
08:26<dihedral:#openttd>Belugas does not like all that much help :-P
08:26<@petern:#openttd>rewrite custom bridgeheads
08:26<dihedral:#openttd>yeah right
08:26<@petern:#openttd>revert 'magic' bridges and apply my old custom bridgeheads back :D
08:26<@petern:#openttd>back? *patch*
08:27<planetmaker:#openttd>that's why "updating" in quotation marks :)
08:27<Zahl:#openttd>hey... i didn't play ottd in like 2 years, so whats new? :-D
08:27<dihedral:#openttd>make an 'undo knobb' ey?
08:27<@petern:#openttd>lol yeah
08:27<@petern:#openttd>anyone who suggests undo is a knob?
08:27<dihedral:#openttd>Zahl, svn log?
08:27<dihedral:#openttd>petern, hehe
08:27<Zahl:#openttd>dihedral: should be quite a lot to read :-D
08:27<Zr40:#openttd>alternatively, the release log
08:27<Zahl:#openttd>hm yeah
08:28<dihedral:#openttd>svn log | grep -i feature
08:28<Zahl:#openttd>well the two most important things to me are pbs and this drag-signals-and-they-are-build-all-along-the-track stuff
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08:28<Zahl:#openttd>which never made it into trunk back then :-D
08:30<dihedral:#openttd>there are many more interesting things
08:30<Zahl:#openttd>noai in trunk... uuhh :)
08:31<SmatZ:#openttd>dihedral: nice :) I guess now I will be in that network too, connected to you :)
08:31<@petern:#openttd>isn't drag signals in 0.6?
08:31<dihedral:#openttd>SmatZ, ONLY to me :-D
08:31<dihedral:#openttd>lets all give SmatZ a welcoming hug
08:31<davis-:#openttd>boobhugs
08:32<SmatZ:#openttd>:-)
08:32<dihedral:#openttd>then perhaps you should stay out of it :-P
08:32<SmatZ:#openttd>no problem, I am not very friendly person :-P
08:33<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15314 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: (log message trimmed)
08:33<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: -Fix/hackaround [FS#2590]: fonts have a feature where they can have localised
08:33<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: names. Windows thinks it's a feature to use the name matching the system's
08:33<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: locale, Windows doesn't provide an API to get the font name given another locale
08:33<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: and freetype uses the English locale to resolve the name when opening the
08:33<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: font... This results in fonts that will can't be found and warnings that the
08:33<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: fallback font can't be loaded. Work around this by 'manually' getting the
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08:34<planetmaker:#openttd>petern: it's there as long as I'm (back) into (O)TTD - so at least since mid/late 2007
08:34*planetmaker:#openttd hugs SmatZ a welcome :)
08:34<@Rubidium:#openttd>late 2007 < 0.6
08:34<SmatZ:#openttd>hello planetmaker :)
08:34*fjb:#openttd hugs nobody.
08:34<planetmaker:#openttd>@seen nobody
08:34<@DorpsGek:#openttd>planetmaker: I have not seen nobody.
08:35<SmatZ:#openttd>hmm DorpsGek has very bad memory
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08:35*fjb:#openttd hugs DorpsGek.
08:35<@Rubidium:#openttd>SmatZ: it's noone or somebody
08:35<SmatZ:#openttd>ah ok :)
08:35<fjb:#openttd>Who hugs Sacro?
08:35<fjb:#openttd>Stupid bot. :-)
08:36<@petern:#openttd>hackaround :D
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08:36<+glx:#openttd>stupid MS :)
08:36<+glx:#openttd>luckily openfont format is well defined
08:36*fjb:#openttd hugs Ammler.
08:37*fjb:#openttd think about a script to hug everybody in the channel.
08:37<Gekz:#openttd>dont
08:37<Gekz:#openttd>I'll kill you
08:37<fjb:#openttd>:-P
08:37*dihedral:#openttd is surprised CIA-1 did not make it into the graph with that commit log
08:38<planetmaker:#openttd>dihedral: it talked to itself :P
08:38*fjb:#openttd hugs CIA-1.
08:38*glx:#openttd kicks CIA-1
08:38<CIA-1:#openttd>ow
08:38<fjb:#openttd>CIA-1: How are you tody?
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08:38<fjb:#openttd>CIA-1: How are you today?
08:39<Zahl:#openttd>hehehe
08:39<fjb:#openttd>CIA-1 doesn't make it into the graph. :-(
08:40<dihedral:#openttd>Celestar, for cargodest - Aali has synced it to trunk iirc
08:40<Zahl:#openttd>bots hate each other
08:40*fjb:#openttd gives Gekz a beer.
08:40<Gekz:#openttd>die
08:40<fjb:#openttd>I didn't hug you.
08:40<+glx:#openttd>dihedral: yes but I guess Celestar wants to be sure it's not broken :)
08:40<dihedral:#openttd>ah
08:40<planetmaker:#openttd>:P A reasonable assumption, I guess :)
08:41<dihedral:#openttd>i just thought i'd let him know that it exists in case he did not pick up on that yet :-P
08:41<planetmaker:#openttd>But he could give it a try before he starts to sync the whole mess :)
08:41<+glx:#openttd>there are many tricky parts in this sync due to OrderList addition
08:41<planetmaker:#openttd>certainly, but Aali usually does things not too badly :)
08:42<dihedral:#openttd>"not too"
08:42<dihedral:#openttd>:-P
08:42<+glx:#openttd>still the sync needs to be done the "right way" to keep logs
08:43<dihedral:#openttd>glx, true
08:44<planetmaker:#openttd>har har. I'm from the North. I tend to do rather understatement, dihedral :)
08:44<@petern:#openttd>just rewrite it :D
08:44<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: glx * r15315 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix (r15314): make gcc happy (for once)
08:46<dihedral:#openttd>Zahl, or Zr40 or whoever makes the map, can you up the res a bit - it's getting too cosy for my taste :-D
08:46<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: glx * r15316 /trunk/src/ (script/squirrel_helper.hpp string.cpp string_func.h): -Fix [NoAI]: ignore unprintable chars when returning a string to squirrel
08:47<planetmaker:#openttd>dihedral: just be silent and you'll fall back to the cold, dark outskirts of that map :P
08:47<Zahl:#openttd>dihedral: i think this is still pretty empty :-D
08:47<Zahl:#openttd>the reactos map looks worse
08:48<dihedral:#openttd>reactos is gay anyway :-P
08:48<Zahl:#openttd>nooooo
08:48<dihedral:#openttd>anything widowsish is
08:49<|Japa|:#openttd>is there a GCF that adjusts track prices for large, spaced out maps?
08:49<planetmaker:#openttd>yeah. Then we define gay the way people did 150 years ago and all can be happy :)
08:50<dihedral:#openttd>a GCF?
08:50<Aali:#openttd>glx: the "right way" as in, use hg merge, don't touch more lines than is necessary, etc?
08:50<+glx:#openttd>yes but he needs an access to your hg repo if he wants to keep the logs :)
08:50<planetmaker:#openttd>Aali: I guess the problem is to define "necessary" in a proper way :)
08:51<|Japa|:#openttd>when the average distance between anything is really long, track costs start becoming an issue
08:51<planetmaker:#openttd>|Japa|: "cost an issue" and "openttd"?
08:51<|Japa|:#openttd>:P
08:51<+glx:#openttd>money incomes are insane anyway
08:51<dihedral:#openttd>i still dont get GCF and OpenTTD together
08:51<Aali:#openttd>glx: surely a bundle will do it?
08:51<|Japa|:#openttd>X(
08:52<|Japa|:#openttd>grf
08:52<|Japa|:#openttd>sorry
08:52<planetmaker:#openttd>dihedral: great, cool and fun :P
08:52<Aali:#openttd>anyway, I've sent him a PM on the forums already :)
08:52<+glx:#openttd>Aali: hg serve is the easier way (to use hg pull on it)
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08:52<|Japa|:#openttd>money becomes insane later, but starting out when the towns are all great distances from each other is hard
08:53<Aali:#openttd>glx: you can pull from bundles too, IIRC
08:53*fjb:#openttd should hug petern to not fall out of the graph and Belugas too.
08:53<dihedral:#openttd>there is a base cost modifyer
08:53<+glx:#openttd>anyway would be better to talk directly to Celestar :)
08:53<dihedral:#openttd>however, i am not sure you can use that grf to 'lower' the costs
08:54<planetmaker:#openttd>|Japa|: well. Certainly it depends upon your starting date. But unless I start far before 1930, I can have, given a bit of load have a profit enough after <10 years
08:54<|Japa|:#openttd>k
08:54<dihedral:#openttd>and learn about money makers :-D
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08:55<planetmaker:#openttd>|Japa|: if you can, build a long-distance air route to generate some money. Pretty easy money. If that cash flows, go for what you really want.
08:55<|Japa|:#openttd>main reason I''m asking is cus I'm making a middle earh scenario, and the towns are quite far apart
08:55<planetmaker:#openttd>which is best for an air route :)
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08:57<|Japa|:#openttd>Air Mordor: you may or may not get fed to the orcs
08:57<planetmaker:#openttd>sounds like a cool company name
09:00<|Japa|:#openttd>I just have to decide weather the industries are realistic, or random
09:01<planetmaker:#openttd>make your own industry grf.
09:01<planetmaker:#openttd>:P
09:02<planetmaker:#openttd>army preparation plant: clay -> orks
09:02<|Japa|:#openttd>:D
09:03<|Japa|:#openttd>right now I have Darad Dur, hte dark lighthouse
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09:04<|Japa|:#openttd>and isenguard, the radio antenna
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09:39<dihedral:#openttd>hello tokai
09:39*dihedral:#openttd has a link to tokai
09:42<@Belugas:#openttd>hello boyz and men
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09:44<planetmaker:#openttd>hello Belugas :)
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09:44<dihedral:#openttd>hehe
09:46<Sacro:#openttd>evening miss Belugas
09:47<dihedral:#openttd>dont pay attention to him Belugas, he's not even on the map :-D
09:48<dihedral:#openttd>oh - he's only on the 'outskirts' :-P
09:48<@Belugas:#openttd>well... so am i.. or not the same map, actually...
09:48<dihedral:#openttd>http://cod.spieleplanet.eu/images/openttd.png
09:49<Sacro:#openttd>heh
09:49<Sacro:#openttd>i did piespy for about a year in here
09:49<Sacro:#openttd>i wonder where the images went...
09:51<@Belugas:#openttd>[08:27] <dihedral> Belugas does not like all that much help :-P <-- what was that supposed to mean? I'm really failing to understnad
09:51<dihedral:#openttd>was more of an 'excuse' as to why i could not help on custom bridge heads
09:51<dihedral:#openttd>:-P
09:53<planetmaker:#openttd>bad dihedral , bad dihedral ... excuses, excuses :P
09:53<planetmaker:#openttd>don't you know us?
09:53<dihedral:#openttd>shush :-P
09:53<planetmaker:#openttd>we want MOOOOR :P
09:54<planetmaker:#openttd>E
09:54<planetmaker:#openttd>:P
09:54<dihedral:#openttd>nono - YOU want more
09:54<planetmaker:#openttd>hehe :)
09:54<dihedral:#openttd>great - you got me shot!
09:54*dihedral:#openttd is playing css
09:54<planetmaker:#openttd>pluralis majistatis :P
09:54<@Belugas:#openttd>I Shot the Sheriff..
09:54<planetmaker:#openttd>lool. Happy dying then :P
09:55*planetmaker:#openttd shoots student's grades...
09:59<@Rubidium:#openttd>bad Belugas ;)
10:01<@petern:#openttd>BUT I DID NOT SHOOT THE DEPUTY
10:02<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15317 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix: support Windows fonts with non-ASCII characters in their file name. Windows doesn't come with them by default, but one can easily install a font with non-ASCII name.
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10:02<Sacro:#openttd>Rubidium: can I? sweet
10:03*Sacro:#openttd installs Cömic Sañs
10:03*Rubidium:#openttd hasn't seen news of a deputy being short in Belugas' home town
10:03<@Rubidium:#openttd>s/short/shot/
10:03<Sacro:#openttd>Rubidium: but they are quite happy with their village idiot
10:10<@petern:#openttd>how does one overload ~ ?
10:12<@petern:#openttd>ah, compl
10:12<@petern:#openttd>~ is impossible to search...
10:14<Phoenix_the_II:#openttd>petern
10:14<Phoenix_the_II:#openttd>petern
10:14<Phoenix_the_II:#openttd>petern
10:14<Phoenix_the_II:#openttd>petern
10:14<Phoenix_the_II:#openttd>zomg
10:14<Phoenix_the_II:#openttd>petern
10:14<Phoenix_the_II:#openttd>bleep
10:14<dihedral:#openttd>bitch
10:15<welshdragon:#openttd>kick the spammer
10:15<welshdragon:#openttd>KICK HIIIIIIM!
10:16<dihedral:#openttd>dihedral HA
10:16<Phoenix_the_II:#openttd>:o
10:16<Phoenix_the_II:#openttd>right :)
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10:22<@petern:#openttd>oh yeah
10:22<@petern:#openttd>@names
10:22<@petern:#openttd>or was it
10:22<@petern:#openttd>@nicks
10:22<@DorpsGek:#openttd>petern: Aali, Ammler, andy`, ArmEagle, Arthemax, bandi_zz, Belugas, Bergee, blathijs, bleepy, Born_Acorn, canidae, ccfreak2k, Celestar, CIA-1, comanche3, const86, DaleStan, DASPRiD, davis-, De_Ghosty, DephNet[Paul], dfox, dihedral, divo, doc, DorpsGek, ecke, Eddi|zuHause, el_en, el_en_dash, elmex, Entane, eQualizer, FauxFaux, fjb, FloSoft, Forked, Gekz, genclay, George, glx, GoneWacko, goodger, guru3, HansAffe, helb, (2 more messages)
10:22<@petern:#openttd>@more
10:22<@DorpsGek:#openttd>petern: HerzogDeXtEr, izhirahider, joepie91, jpm, lobster, Mark, Mark_, michi_cc, mikegrb, mikl, Mortal, Mucht, murr4y, neli, Noldo, NukeBuster, orudge, Osai, patchie, petern, Phoenix_the_II, planetmaker, prakti, Priski, Prof_Frink, Progman, Quaver, Rexxie, Ridayah, Rubidium, RvGaTe, Sacro, sigmund, Sionide, SmatZ, smeding, SmoovTruck, snappy, snorre, SpComb, Splex, stillunknown, sunkan, svip, Tefad, TheMask96, (1 more message)
10:22<@petern:#openttd>@more
10:22<@DorpsGek:#openttd>petern: thingwath, TinoDidriksen, TinoM, tkjacobsen, tneo, tokai, tosse, ttdopen, valhallasw, Vikthor, welshdragon, welterde, wgrant, Wolfensteijn, worldemar, xahodo, Xaroth, xerxesdaphat, XeryusTC, Yexo, Zahl, Zealotus, Zorn|, Zr40, and |Japa|
10:22<@petern:#openttd>yeah!
10:22<@petern:#openttd>i love that feature
10:22<planetmaker:#openttd>:P
10:22<TinoDidriksen:#openttd>...I will end you.
10:22<ecke:#openttd>what?
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10:22*planetmaker:#openttd gives petern an old trout
10:22<mikl:#openttd>again
10:23*mikl:#openttd slaps petern around a bit with a large petern.
10:23<@petern:#openttd>woo, more lurkers leaving
10:23<Mortal:#openttd>sorry, added DorpsGek to ignore highlight list
10:23<canidae:#openttd>there better be nekkid chicks & chocolate in here for all this hilighting :s
10:23<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>hey, i feel so important :p
10:23<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: type operator~(type) ?
10:23<eQualizer:#openttd>:e
10:23<ecke:#openttd>.. hmm .. one question... is there some stable release of openttd with infrastructure sharing?
10:23<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>four highlights during my absence
10:23<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>ecke: no.
10:24<ecke:#openttd>Eddi|zuHause and some near to stable... i mean ... if i will play with friends no crash coming
10:24<ecke:#openttd>i remember... we played 12 hours... and after that crash...
10:25<ecke:#openttd>i dont like that
10:25<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>ecke: there are certain patch packs floating around, but they are usually not nearly as stable as you'd like them to be, especially in multiplayer
10:25<ecke:#openttd>:/
10:25<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>ecke: best if you just compile that single patch
10:25<planetmaker:#openttd>yeah.
10:25<ecke:#openttd>but multiplayer without IS is not multiplayer :/
10:25<planetmaker:#openttd>or none at all :)
10:26<ecke:#openttd>compile? ... huh ... i have never did that
10:26<planetmaker:#openttd>but well. There was just a new version posted in tt-forums
10:26<planetmaker:#openttd>ecke: it's not terribly difficult - once you have setup things.
10:26<ecke:#openttd>one time... when i compiled netcat...
10:26<planetmaker:#openttd>That's imo the most difficult thing
10:27<planetmaker:#openttd>"things" = compiler, subversion client and stuff
10:27<ecke:#openttd>is it like: mingw32-make .... ?
10:27<planetmaker:#openttd>probably. Dunno for windows
10:27<ecke:#openttd>i have mingw, platform sdk, visula studion express
10:27<ecke:#openttd>hm
10:27<planetmaker:#openttd>you should be fine then, I guesss
10:28<ecke:#openttd>and on linux? ... i have debian on server... only console
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10:28<ecke:#openttd>.... simple question... is there any guide how to?
10:28<planetmaker:#openttd>you need SDL libraries. maybe subversion
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10:28<planetmaker:#openttd>yes. tt-forums. There's a sticky on it
10:29<ecke:#openttd>ok i ll see
10:29<planetmaker:#openttd>and of course the ottd wiki
10:29<@Rubidium:#openttd>http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Coding_Tools
10:29<planetmaker:#openttd>probably better / more compact
10:29<ecke:#openttd>Rubidium ... nice
10:30<@Rubidium:#openttd>for a network server you don't need libsdl or timidity
10:30<@Rubidium:#openttd>and neither libpng
10:30<ecke:#openttd>planetmaker this link is ok? ... i really dont like browsing and finding through 10000000 posts in forum
10:30<ecke:#openttd>Rubidium ^^
10:31<ecke:#openttd>ok ... i ll try these on wiki....
10:31<planetmaker:#openttd>surely it lists everything you need to compile openttd
10:31<ecke:#openttd>planetmaker ... fine
10:31<ecke:#openttd>now only find newest IS patch
10:32<planetmaker:#openttd>tt-forums...
10:32<ecke:#openttd>yes...
10:33<planetmaker:#openttd>search for infrastructure
10:33<ecke:#openttd>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=37455
10:34<planetmaker:#openttd>yup
10:37<ecke:#openttd>planetmaker ... so you most steable what can be there... is use stable release sources a add IS newest patch
10:39<planetmaker:#openttd>ecke: no, you should use the source of the nightly which maches the revision given in the posting where you got the patch file.
10:39<planetmaker:#openttd>otherwise it surely won't work. 0.6.3 is oooold wrt to source. More than half a year.
10:39<ecke:#openttd> r13031_infrastructure_sharing_v0.3.patch
10:40<planetmaker:#openttd>many things changed in comparison to the stable version.
10:40<ecke:#openttd>sou nightly r13031
10:40<planetmaker:#openttd>yeah.
10:40<ecke:#openttd>ok
10:40<@Rubidium:#openttd>13031 is quite ancient too
10:40<planetmaker:#openttd>eh...
10:41<planetmaker:#openttd>ecke: did you get the latest patch file?
10:41<planetmaker:#openttd>I mean... there are many posted in other postings in that thread. Not from the first one.
10:41<planetmaker:#openttd>Last one submitted by Aali today.
10:41<planetmaker:#openttd>Rubidium: thx
10:41<planetmaker:#openttd>I only saw ...3... - which is ok ;)
10:41<@Rubidium:#openttd>~9 months (pre 0.6.1)
10:42<ecke:#openttd>.... Here's a (largely untested) version of the old patch that applies to r15313, enjoy
10:42<ecke:#openttd>i prefer stable then newest
10:43<@Rubidium:#openttd>then use 0.6.3 without IS ;)
10:43<ecke:#openttd>Rubidium lol
10:43<@Rubidium:#openttd>IS is likely far from stable
10:43<planetmaker:#openttd>ecke: nevertheless, I'd advocate to use that.
10:44<@Rubidium:#openttd>given the fact that many users don't complain about crashes with patches
10:44<planetmaker:#openttd>stable... maybe.
10:44<@Rubidium:#openttd>so one can't say anything about the the stability of ANY of the versions of the patch
10:44<planetmaker:#openttd>for good reason ;) as it's wildly discouraged
10:44<@Belugas:#openttd>[10:02] <@petern> BUT I DID NOT SHOOT THE DEPUTY <-- a cookie for petern :D
10:45<planetmaker:#openttd>but then the early updates of that patch which I posted at times of wwottdgd/2 were probably ok, too. But I'd try the update nevertheless.
10:45<ecke:#openttd>so :D
10:46<ecke:#openttd>r15313 patch and NB r15313
10:46<ecke:#openttd>the best option for ottd with IS?
10:46<planetmaker:#openttd>dunno. But I'd give it a shot.
10:46<ecke:#openttd>best mean most stable
10:46<ecke:#openttd>i ll try
10:46<@petern:#openttd>most stable IS = not
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10:46<planetmaker:#openttd>report crashes where you found the patch :)
10:51<ecke:#openttd>:)
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11:06<dihedral:#openttd><Rubidium> IS is likely far from stable <- perhaps if some servers were running it would draw more attention to it, and the issues could be fixed and it would be well tested
11:06<dihedral:#openttd>but for some reason i am not entirely sure if i can assume you are really interested in IS :-P
11:07<Eddi|zuHause:#openttd>Celestar definitely is ;)
11:07<dihedral:#openttd>yes, that is for sure
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11:08<planetmaker:#openttd>Well. It's for MP a very nice feature. For SP it surely isn't worth a lot
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11:09<dihedral:#openttd>planetmaker, unless you get to write an ai :-P
11:09<dihedral:#openttd>one that builds all the tracks, and lets you use them
11:09<dihedral:#openttd>:-P
11:10<dihedral:#openttd>and give you back all the money :-D
11:10<planetmaker:#openttd>well... :P Force the AI to share out tracks ;)
11:10<dihedral:#openttd>hihi
11:11<dihedral:#openttd>gnah - i had 2 css updates yesterday, anotherone right now
11:11<dihedral:#openttd>wtf
11:11<+glx:#openttd>dihedral: AI API won't allow that
11:11<planetmaker:#openttd>glx: what? You mean running trains on AI tracks?
11:12<planetmaker:#openttd>what would stop me doing it, if I force cooperation and find a hook to their tracks?
11:12<planetmaker:#openttd>(besides that it'd be a scenario which is... not what IS is meant to be)
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11:12<dihedral:#openttd>glx: obviously the API could be extended for IS :-P
11:12<+glx:#openttd>if IS is done correctly, the owner must allow others to run on theirs tracks
11:12<dihedral:#openttd>if it needed to be
11:12<dihedral:#openttd>glx: yes
11:13<dihedral:#openttd>+ usage conditions apply
11:13<planetmaker:#openttd>glx: Still the owner needs the power to decide where others hook to his network.
11:14<dihedral:#openttd>planetmaker, not just 'connections between rails', but really a selection meny where you can allow / deny companies from using your tracks
11:14<planetmaker:#openttd>so, probably, you need a full n_company x n_company matrix of at least boolean, better int (=price) which allows access to networks.
11:15*Swallow:#openttd is doing some work on IS
11:15*planetmaker:#openttd swallows ;)
11:15<@petern:#openttd>and amazons?
11:15<dihedral:#openttd>planetmaker, yuck :-D
11:15<planetmaker:#openttd>err... well.
11:15*planetmaker:#openttd hides
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11:16<Swallow:#openttd>IS code was/is a mess though
11:17<planetmaker:#openttd>yes
11:17<planetmaker:#openttd>I still have the idea that it might be a good idea to re-write it by means of hg queues.
11:17<dihedral:#openttd>ah, great
11:17<Swallow:#openttd>hg queues is what i'm currently trying
11:18<planetmaker:#openttd>:)
11:18<Swallow:#openttd>copying and rewriting as I go along
11:18<planetmaker:#openttd>he :)
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11:38*dihedral:#openttd puts orudge on the map
11:39*planetmaker:#openttd wonders what the current status of orudge 's sound replacement project is...
11:40<dihedral:#openttd>uh
11:40<dihedral:#openttd>that is a good question
11:41<@petern:#openttd>up the wrong track
11:42<planetmaker:#openttd>how do you mean? Implementation-wise?
11:42<planetmaker:#openttd>That'd be sad to hear... :S
11:42<@Rubidium:#openttd>no, the metaphorical track
11:42<planetmaker:#openttd>:P
11:44<@Rubidium:#openttd>probably the steep one up and the engine doesn't have enough TE/HP
11:44<@petern:#openttd>stufheh
11:44<@petern:#openttd>stufheh?
11:44<@petern:#openttd>hmm
11:44<@petern:#openttd>sound replacement == changing sample.cat
11:45<@petern:#openttd>not implementing a new audio system that lets you play ogg files instead of midi...
11:45<planetmaker:#openttd>he :) It even works meanwhile without it... so... :)
11:45<@petern:#openttd>which reminds me...
11:45<@petern:#openttd>obg doesn't list sample.cat :/
11:45<dihedral:#openttd>what a bjarni line to say petern
11:46<@petern:#openttd>what?
11:46<dihedral:#openttd>"which reminds me"
11:46<@petern:#openttd>well, i'm not bjarni
11:46<planetmaker:#openttd>@seen Bjarni
11:46<@DorpsGek:#openttd>planetmaker: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 17 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Bjarni> hi Wolf01
11:46<planetmaker:#openttd>hm...
11:46<@Rubidium:#openttd>petern: sample.cat isn't base graphics, is it?
11:46<@petern:#openttd>no
11:47<planetmaker:#openttd>base sound :)
11:47<@petern:#openttd>it should've been base data :p
11:47<dihedral:#openttd>aye
11:47<@Rubidium:#openttd>why should opengfx force you to use a specific sound replacement set?
11:47<dihedral:#openttd>still can be changed :-P
11:48<planetmaker:#openttd>Certainly doesn't hurt to have it seperately.
11:48<@petern:#openttd>cos i say so
11:49<CIA-1:#openttd>OpenTTD: smatz * r15318 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix [FS#2594](r10288): don't warn about non-primary engines getting old
11:49<@Rubidium:#openttd>all hail peter "the boss" n ;)
11:49<planetmaker:#openttd>cheers :P
11:51<dihedral:#openttd>hihi
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11:57<@petern:#openttd>sample.tar support could work, i suppose
11:58<@petern:#openttd>although as it goes in data it would might get confusing :o
11:59<dihedral:#openttd>hihi
11:59<planetmaker:#openttd>introduce data/sound
11:59<dihedral:#openttd>and data/graphics?
11:59<planetmaker:#openttd>no
11:59<dihedral:#openttd>and what do you do with all the stuff you get from content :-P
11:59<planetmaker:#openttd>but well. one could :) anyway each dir is looked for.
11:59<planetmaker:#openttd>content_download/sound ;)
12:00<dihedral:#openttd>data/content/downloaded/from/bananas/sound/
12:00<planetmaker:#openttd>too short and un-descriptive
12:01<planetmaker:#openttd>d/a/t/a/c/o/... ;)
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12:02*dihedral:#openttd still has to wait 40 mins for his css update to complete - gnah
12:02<@petern:#openttd>one problem with sample.cat is lack of metadata...
12:02<@petern:#openttd>hm
12:02<@petern:#openttd>css updates take 40 minutes?
12:05<dihedral:#openttd>cs:s
12:06<SmatZ:#openttd>40 minutes?
12:06<@Rubidium:#openttd>yeah, 300 baud isn't that fast
12:06<planetmaker:#openttd>:D
12:07<planetmaker:#openttd>even the ISS has a faster upload :)
12:07<dihedral:#openttd>2Mbit line :-S
12:07<fjb:#openttd>But travelling to the ISS would take longer than 40 minutes.
12:08-!-Irssi: You are now talking in #openttd
12:08<dihedral>depends how you want to get there :-P
12:08<planetmaker>a bit... :) depends upon whether you want to dock or hit ;)
12:08<dihedral>flipping docker :-D
12:08<planetmaker>hit is easily done in <~ 20 minutes
12:10<fjb>Did you consider the boarding time or only the flight time?
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12:11<planetmaker>a simple rope around the missle will do, if you only want to hit it ;)
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12:13<dihedral>just 'poke' him on top
12:14<planetmaker>dihedral: that didn't establish a connection between fjb and me ;) But maybe this :P
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12:17<dihedral>dihedral, that'd be one of the connections i would not even be after :-D
12:17<planetmaker>har har. So much for self-love ;)
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12:20<dihedral>no - that is not self-love
12:20<dihedral>that is just pickyness
12:20<planetmaker>strengthening your place in the centre of action? ;)
12:21<dihedral>i dont have to do that
12:21<dihedral>:-P
12:22<dihedral>at least i dont go around using a bot to highlight everyone :-D
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12:22<@petern>@nicks
12:22<@DorpsGek>petern: Aali, Ammler, Andel, andy`, angelo, ArmEagle, Arthemax, bandi_zz, Belugas, Bergee, blathijs, bleepy, Born_Acorn, canidae, ccfreak2k, Celestar, CIA-1, comanche3, const86, DaleStan, DASPRiD, davis-, De_Ghosty, DephNet[Paul], dfox, dihedral, divo, doc, DorpsGek, Eddi|zuHause, el_en, el_en_dash, elmex, Entane, eQualizer, FauxFaux, fjb, FloSoft, Forked, Fuco, Gekz, genclay, George, glx, GoneWacko, goodger, guru3, (2 more messages)
12:23<@petern>@more
12:23<@DorpsGek>petern: HansAffe, HerzogDeXtEr, izhirahider, joepie91, jpm, lobster, Mark, Mark_, michi_cc, mikegrb, mikl, Mortal, Mucht, murr4y, neli, Noldo, NukeBuster, orudge, Osai, OwenS, patchie, petern, Phoenix_the_II, planetmaker, prakti, Priski, Prof_Frink, Progman, Purno_, Quaver, Rexxie, Ridayah, Roest, Rubidium, RvGaTe, Sacro, sigmund, Sionide, SmatZ, smeding, SmoovTruck, snappy, snorre, SpComb, Splex, stillunknown, sunkan, (1 more message)
12:23<@petern>@more
12:23<@DorpsGek>petern: svip, Swallow, Tefad, TheMask96, thingwath, TinoDid, TinoDidriksen, TinoM, tkjacobsen, tneo, tokai, tosse, ttdopen, valhallasw, Vikthor, welshdragon, welterde, wgrant, Wolfensteijn, worldemar, Xaroth, xerxesdaphat, XeryusTC, Yexo, Zahl, Zealotus, Zorn|, Zr40, and |Jeroen|
12:23<@petern>Wahey
12:23-!-TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:23<@petern>I still love that FEATURE
12:23*davis- gives petern a attention hug
12:23<Fuco>greetings to you sir
12:23<planetmaker>hmpf.
12:23<dihedral>and yet - it still does not have the effect
12:23<mikl>:)
12:23<Vikthor>petern, the highlight spammer
12:23<Eddi|zuHause>/ignore petern
12:23<|Jeroen|>grrr
12:24<+glx>Eddi|zuHause: won't help
12:24<dihedral>it makes all the idelers leave, which is good
12:24<dihedral>hihi
12:24<Eddi|zuHause>glx: but it feels better ;)
12:24<dihedral>true, Eddi|zuHause you would have to ignore DorpsGek
12:24<Vikthor>dihedral: doesn't seem to work
12:24-!-mode/#openttd [+q DorpsGek!*@*] by petern
12:24<planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause: you have to ignore DorpsGek...
12:24<@petern>@nicks
12:24<@DorpsGek>petern: Aali, Ammler, Andel, andy`, angelo, ArmEagle, Arthemax, bandi_zz, Belugas, Bergee, blathijs, bleepy, Born_Acorn, canidae, ccfreak2k, Celestar, CIA-1, comanche3, const86, DaleStan, DASPRiD, davis-, De_Ghosty, DephNet[Paul], dfox, dihedral, divo, doc, DorpsGek, Eddi|zuHause, el_en, el_en_dash, elmex, Entane, eQualizer, FauxFaux, fjb, FloSoft, Forked, Fuco, Gekz, genclay, George, glx, GoneWacko, goodger, guru3, (2 more messages)
12:24<@petern>ho ho
12:24<@petern>does not work because bots need to be opped... yar
12:25<dihedral>:-P
12:25-!-mode/#openttd [-q DorpsGek!*@*] by petern
12:25<dihedral>well done petern
12:25<goodger>petern: why do you keep doing that?
12:25-!-mode/#openttd [-o petern] by DorpsGek
12:25<tneo>what's up with the highlighting?
12:25<mikl>ostensibly, you could just deop the bot ;)
12:25<goodger>it's very annoying
12:25<dihedral>so that you come along and highlight him
12:25<davis->petern is a attention whore
12:25<davis->:[
12:25-!-mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ
12:25<dihedral>he wants to steal my happy-place
12:25<planetmaker>kids and their new toys :)
12:25<dihedral>hihi
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12:26<@petern>goodger: so that eventually, whoever runs that stupid bot will remove some stupid 'features'
12:26<dihedral>good job FloodServ is not in here petern
12:26<goodger>petern: could you PM me when that happens? thanks
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12:26<dihedral>petern, that'd be TrueBrain
12:26<Zahl>no, but SpamServ is
12:26<planetmaker>I think it wouldn't mind. Not sufficient amount of messages
12:26<@petern>wahey!
12:26<DASPRiD>stop highlighting me with @nicks...
12:26<dihedral>and that feature is part of the user module, and cannot be 'unloaded'
12:26<@petern>stop caring
12:27<dihedral>only deactivated on a channel bases
12:27<mikl>what kind of bot is DorpsGek btw?
12:27<@petern>remove it from the user module
12:27<+glx>it's in channel plugin
12:27<@Rubidium>a stupid one
12:27<planetmaker>petern: the only persons who can abuse it are those with op rights...
12:27<@petern>or the channel module
12:27<dihedral>mikl, supybot
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12:27<@petern>planetmaker: great
12:27<mikl>hmmkay
12:27<Zr40>python? just rip the code out :)
12:27<Zahl>ITS THE ALL CAPS HOSTNAME GUY!!!
12:28<planetmaker>so... unless op is given to unreasonable persons it should be pretty save :)
12:28<welshdragon>stop highlighting me
12:28<welshdragon>\
12:28<dihedral>hihi
12:28<welshdragon>'tards
12:28<Zahl>+re
12:28<dihedral>the dragon's loose :-D
12:28<mikl>apparently, I've gotten old. Last time i was really into IRC, EggDrop was the new hawtness
12:28<Eddi|zuHause>"you can me one time" :p
12:28<dihedral>eggdrop sucks
12:28<mikl>indeed
12:29<mikl>not all that fun to try and extend
12:29<mikl>supybut looks tasty
12:29<@petern>any more idlers to weed out? hah
12:29<planetmaker>lool @ Eddi|zuHause ;)
12:29<dihedral>mikl, ap+ is nice :-P
12:30<@Rubidium>petern: the HansAffe guy seems to be idling ;)
12:30<Zr40>that's not a guy
12:30<Zahl>its a girl
12:30<dihedral>hehe
12:30<dihedral>where's Maren :-P
12:31<mikl>although like a lot of small open source project, the main web site is missing
12:31<dihedral>mikl, only for like 6 months now
12:31<planetmaker>probably some sociology student is having fun right now. A lot of fun.
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12:31<dihedral>s/b/p/ :-D
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12:33<planetmaker>see you later guys. Food is calling :)
12:33*planetmaker waves
12:34<@Rubidium>that must be horribly fresh or old
12:34<dihedral>hihi
12:34<planetmaker>fresh :P
12:34<mikl>raw and wrigggly?
12:34<@petern>hmm, i'm starving now
12:35<planetmaker>fishy ;)
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12:35<mikl>oh, well
12:35<mikl>I should work
12:35<dihedral>petern, worms
12:36<mikl>there\is\PHP\work\to\be\done
12:36<dihedral>for SmatZ it'd have to be bugs - he seems to prefer those :-P
12:36<dihedral>mikl, yuck
12:37<@petern>did you finish custom bridgeheads yet?
12:37<dihedral>lol
12:37<@petern>:(
12:38<dihedral>you really believe i could do that?
12:38*welshdragon roars at dihedral
12:38<mikl>my mind will never be able to figure out why the designers of PHP decided that => and = should mean the same thing, only in different context, and not be interchangeable
12:39<mikl>not to mention the whole namespace debacle
12:39<dihedral>in which context are they the same?
12:39<mikl>dihedral: they both do assignment, one in arrays and one outside arrays
12:39<dihedral>oh that's what you mean
12:39<@petern>that's from perl, heh
12:40<mikl>I might be simple minded, but I always manage to mix it up when I'm thinking about functionality instead of syntax ;)
12:40*welshdragon waves at petern
12:40<Progman>=> is a syntax special for foreach and array initialisation, it couldn't be done with = as = is the "general" assignment operation
12:41<dihedral>there you have it
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12:42<dihedral>ab in die ecke :-D
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12:43<mikl>Progman: if you say so – I never wrote any parsers, so I can hardly judge whether the PHP guys are doing a good job :)
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12:54<Zr40>– <-- what character is that?
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12:57<Zr40>looks like hydrairc doesn't support utf8...
12:57<Zahl>its a long -
12:57<mikl>en-dash
12:59<welshdragon>i'm seeing Zr40
13:01<RS-SM>anyway
13:01<RS-SM>can you run open TTD on a minimal debian server?
13:03<@Rubidium>yes, though you need to compile it yourself (without SDL/png/freetype support)
13:04<SpComb>--
13:05<RS-SM>cool
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13:05<RS-SM>I have a old dell that I want to make a game server, so I could either put XP on it or a *nix*
13:07<Zr40>linix?
13:07<mikl>RS-SM: well, for that purpose, XP would be a huge waste of resources :)
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13:08<RS-SM>yeah
13:09<RS-SM>I don't like ubuntu though, its remote tools seem laggy to me
13:11<mikl>RS-SM: well, I have Ubuntu on my web server
13:11<mikl>but the only remote tool I use is SSH :)
13:11<RS-SM>I tend to do all sorts of things including stream
13:12<RS-SM>since my college internet does not allow me to torrent
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13:15<Wolf01>O_o
13:16<RS-SM>hello
13:17<Wolf01>ah-ha! you failed
13:17<Wolf01>the correct answer was o_O
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13:18<frosch123>°¯O
13:18<dihedral>that's cheating
13:18<dihedral>and you know it :-P
13:19<Brianetta>/-:
13:20<Brianetta>{[°o°]}
13:20<Brianetta>hmm
13:20<Brianetta>if htis IRC network didn't filter out formatting, he'd have a mouth
13:20<Wolf01>I see the underlined o
13:20<frosch123>must be your client, it has a mouth
13:20<Brianetta>Ah
13:20<eQualizer>What do you mean by mouth? Underöined o?
13:20<Brianetta>Perhaps it's my client
13:21<eQualizer>underlined*
13:21<Brianetta>He's either a koala or a cyberman
13:21<Brianetta>I *meant* him to be a koala
13:21<Wolf01>sure it is your client, it printed :-/ inverted too
13:21<eQualizer>I'll v0te
13:21<eQualizer>o0koala
13:22<eQualizer>(I'im lying in a bed, so it's a bit hard to write right when youre head is sideways at the same level as keyboard.)
13:23<Brianetta>Needs practice, but I assure you it gets easy
13:25<worldemar>DorpsGek: bot?
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13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r15319 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-02 18:44:36
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 3 fixed by khaloofah (3)
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: dutch - 1 fixed by habell (1)
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: hebrew - 533 fixed, 426 changed by 19izhar73 (959)
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 fixed by oklmernok (1)
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: italian - 1 changed by lorenzodv (1)
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13:55<@Belugas>i wonder if 19ishar73 just established an all time high
13:58<@Belugas>"I love you, I'm goign to blow up your school"
13:58<@Belugas>let's get smoooooooth
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14:10<frosch123>petern: do you plan to add some "VehicleOverrideManager" that stores an EngineID -> (GrfID, internal_id) mapping in the savegame? Currently loading "compatible" newgrfs that specify one engine more or less screw the hole game.
14:12<@petern>pah, they're not compatible
14:12<frosch123>no, but "compatible"
14:13<frosch123>:p
14:13<@petern>well, i'm not planning it
14:13<@petern>i won't stop someone else though ;p
14:13*petern curses windows 7
14:13<@petern>it gets its video timings all wrong :(
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14:16<frosch123>[19:58] <Belugas> i wonder if 19ishar73 just established an all time high <- hmm, he changed about 74% of all translated strings of that language, and there are already again 234 pending
14:16*frosch123 wonders whether he will also translate untranslated :p
14:18<@Belugas>hope it's all for the best
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14:19<@Belugas>but... like... we would not be sure up until the whole hebrew community will start yelling
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14:19<@Rubidium>~500 changes on ~2000 isn't 74%
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14:20<frosch123>2000? then your statistics are different from those I can see
14:21<@Rubidium>there are ~3300 strings per language
14:21<@Rubidium>now ~2000 of them are translated
14:21<@Rubidium>he 'fixed' ~500, so it was ~1500 before he started
14:22<@Rubidium>he changed 426 of those ~1500
14:22<frosch123>oh, yeah, I mixed "translated" and "not yet translated" :s
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14:52<Zahl>ehm... how can i make the game build signals by default and not semaphores? =)
14:53<Wolf01>put 0 as the introduction date for light signals
14:54<Zahl>hmm k, game already running
14:54<Zahl>so i'll have to ctrl+click :)
14:54<Wolf01>you can change it in any moment
14:55<Wolf01>signals already placed are not affected by the change, so you need to change them by hand
14:57<@petern>make a grf to replace the semaphores ;)
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14:59<Zahl>:-D
14:59<Zahl>nah, its a network game so im too lazy, i thought it was an interface setting :>
14:59<@petern>it is
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15:52*dihedral points at Celestar and cargodest :-P
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15:59*Belugas wonders what would dihedral be longing for, if Celestar had not done the cargodest the way it is right now... ho... Belugas knows... IS
15:59<@Belugas>of course ;)
15:59<Swallow>Can a rail tile ever be owned by OWNER_NONE or OWNER_TOWN?
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16:00<Yexo>Swallow: no, but maybe with the infrastructure sharing patch it can
16:00<frosch123>maybe it is possible in games that are converted from very old savegames
16:01<frosch123>i.e. in the old days level-crossings had only one owner etc...
16:01<frosch123>smatz knows such things :)
16:01<Swallow>that's what I was concerned about...
16:01<Yexo>but if they have, they can't be used (at least not with current code)
16:02*Swallow ponders whether he should abuse IS to make the impossible possible
16:06<dihedral>Belugas, actually i was just wanting to pull Celestar's leg
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16:06<@Belugas>ho... like... Bumps?
16:06<dihedral>define 'bumps' :-P
16:06<@Belugas>look in forums
16:06<dihedral>i know :-P
16:07<@Belugas>hehehe
16:07<dihedral>that is why i said it
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16:10<dihedral>Belugas, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=761886#p761886 :-P
16:11*Yexo wonders why it are always the new users flaming about the behaviour in the forum
16:12*Wolf01 wonders the same thing too
16:13<frosch123>only the ignorant survive
16:13<dihedral>hehe
16:13<Wolf01>so I will survive
16:13<dihedral>perfect
16:14<Wolf01>like the bugs after a nuclear holocaust
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16:17<Forked>dihedral: but I'm always right and all I do is whats best for the world. now stop bothering me!111
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16:21<dihedral>Forked, hehe
16:22<@Belugas>Yexo, maybe because if they did dare looking at the history of the forums, they would not be flaming, but understanding about the history
16:22<@Belugas>but no... too much efforts
16:23<Yexo>most likely yeah
16:24<Yexo>the concept "forum != ask-and-get-what-you-demand" seems difficult to grasp for some
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16:28<@Belugas>well... we've heard the arguments a lot, even in here. "Searching gives way too much results", "i'd rather ask to those who know, easier and faster", "the search is crappy, don't even want to give it try"
16:28<@Belugas>blablabl
16:29<@Belugas>bottom of it, here are a bunch of spoiled brats who are still receive food from mama's hands :S
16:29<@Belugas>-e +ing
16:30<@Belugas>even my 5 years old son can pikc himself the stuff he needs or wants :P
16:30<Yexo>I know, it's just that they get anoying from time to time
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16:33<@Belugas>on the other hand, i guess we might be real pain in the ass ourselves...
16:33<@Belugas>and i do definitively count myself as one the biggest ones
16:33<@Belugas>and dare you all deny that!!
16:34<@Belugas>there is that one phrase i've seen once in a while: "it's a game, do you think i'll start working for it?"
16:34<@Belugas>that's what makes the difference between people.
16:35<Yexo>I havent' seen that one
16:35<Yexo>but that's exactly the problem most of the time
16:35<@Belugas>those who love it enough to improve it, and those who simply want to enjoy it
16:35<@Belugas>yes, indeed
16:36<Yexo>but the first group can do a lot more before I find them annoying
16:36<@Belugas>true :)
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16:37<@Belugas>usually, they get irritating by begging to include their work. and VERY irritating when not wanting to hold suggestions or comments or even denial into account
16:37<@Belugas>whooohou... i hope i'm not bruising any ego out there!!!
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16:39<CIA-1>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15320 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Increase 'realistic' acceleration 'resolution' by one bit by reducing a division and removing a multiplication: 3/4*2 = 0; 3/2 = 1. And a smidgeon less CPU usage, hah.
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16:39<Eddi|zuHause>wtf is this AI guy trying to say?
16:39<Yexo>he thinks NoAI uses too much cpu
16:41<@petern>it probably does
16:41<@petern>it's often the price of flexibility
16:41<Yexo>it does indeed, but that guy doesn't even want to try the available options
16:42<@petern>indeed indeed
16:45<patchie>is there a graphic's pack out?..or under construction still?..
16:46<Yexo>there is bananas, openttds content service and also the openttdcoop grf pack
16:46<patchie>where?
16:46<@Belugas>grooooooaaaar!
16:46<Yexo>the content service is available in the nigthies
16:47<Yexo>for the openttdcoop grf pack, have a look at openttdcoop.org
16:47<patchie>oki..thanks:)
16:47<frosch123>[22:33] <Belugas> even my 5 years old son can pikc himself the stuff he needs or wants :P <- you are biases, he just picks everything
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16:49<@Belugas>nope. only waht he wants :)
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16:49<@Belugas>don't give him veggies ;)
16:49<@Belugas>but let see him spotting the chess :D
16:50<@Belugas>and GRAB THEM ALL
16:50<@Belugas>grrr.
16:50<@Belugas>cheese
16:50<@Belugas>ot chess
16:51<@Belugas>believe me, even that young he goes by this famous line "I know what I like, and I like what I know"
16:52<CIA-1>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15321 /trunk/src/ (engine_type.h newgrf.cpp table/engines.h): -Codechange: Load road vehicle 'realistic' acceleration properties from NewGRF, and supply defaults as used by TTDPatch. These values are not yet used.
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16:54*frosch123 senses Engine::Get[Display]TE() and Engine::Get[Display]AirDrag()
16:56<dihedral>basching... http://www.tt-forums.net/styles/ott/imageset/icon_post_target.gif
16:56<dihedral>ops
16:56<dihedral>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=761958#p761958
16:56<dihedral>this one :-P
16:56<dihedral>yay - user bashing
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16:56<dihedral>harsh but fair
16:58<Yexo>Edit: oh - and by the way: it took me time to comment on your BS <- nice end :)j
17:01<dihedral>my personal fav is the (IT'S A BUTTON) :-D
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17:04*Belugas goes home
17:04<@Belugas>bye bye
17:04<NukeBuster>cya
17:04<dihedral>cu Belugas
17:04<dihedral>have a nice evening
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17:17<dihedral>night
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17:54<Wolf01>'night
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17:57<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Yexo * r15322 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15175): The AI list window didn't display information about the selected AI if it wasn't visible.
17:59<Eddi|zuHause>err... what?
17:59<Eddi|zuHause>for me that reads "invisible window did not display anything"
18:00<@petern>quite
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18:01<Yexo>hmm, the "it" was referring to "the selected ai"
18:01<UFO64>eavning al
18:01<UFO64>all*
18:01<Yexo>hello UFO64
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18:17<SmatZ>[22:01:48] <Swallow> Can a rail tile ever be owned by OWNER_NONE or OWNER_TOWN? <== no, such tiles are removed (a little effort is done to "fix" them, too) while converting old savegames
18:18<Yexo>SmatZ: a bit late, Swallow is already gone ;)
18:19<SmatZ>ahhh :)
18:20<Roujin>hey ho SmatZ ;)
18:20<SmatZ>hello Roujin :)
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19:48<+michi_cc>Eddi|zuHause: http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/advance_signals_v1.patch
19:48<+michi_cc>Eddi|zuHause: and http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/adv_signals.grf, it's missing proper semphores though
19:48<Eddi|zuHause>noted, but i'm too tired now
19:48<Aali>advanced signals?
19:48<Aali>what is that?
19:48<+michi_cc>well, anybody else still here can have a look as well of course :)
19:49<Eddi|zuHause>not "advanced" "advance"
19:49<+michi_cc>advance, not advanced
19:49<@Rubidium>moar signals ;)
19:49<Eddi|zuHause>means they show the state of the next signal, not of this signal
19:49<SmatZ>"PBS presignals?"
19:49<Aali>PBS combo signals?
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19:50<+michi_cc>and for some wacky fun try http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/advance_slowdown_hack.diff on top
19:51<+michi_cc>very much a hack, but you can now have signal overruns
19:51<@Rubidium>oh... yellow signals?
19:51<+michi_cc>yes
19:52<@Rubidium>something to test when I've splut the leak
19:52<+michi_cc>so openttdcoop can now have pbs priority thingies :)
19:53<SmatZ>great :)
19:56<+michi_cc>note to somebody™: that adv_signals.grf needs semaphore graphics and the electric signals could probably do with some love as well
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20:05<+michi_cc>night
20:05<@Rubidium>night michi_cc
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23:09<doc>is it possible to increase the number of bays loading trains at the one time
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