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#openttd IRC Logs for 2009-03-02

---Logopened Mon Mar 02 00:00:25 2009
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00:17<Forked>good morning!
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02:11<planetmaker>good morning
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02:40<dihedral>\o/
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02:48<Mark_>Mornin'
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02:48<dihedral>oi
02:49<planetmaker>moin :)
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03:00<TSC>Anyone familiar with the NARS train set? It says a caboose is necessary for freight trains, but is it really needed?
03:00<dihedral>apparently! if it says so
03:01<@petern>try it
03:02<TSC>I've got a train without one, and it seems fine...
03:02<TSC>And I haven't noticed any coal falling off the back of the train (:
03:02<TSC>Maybe it's just for decoration
03:05<dihedral>well then - there you have your answer ;-)
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09:42<Eddi|zuHause>this channel died? usually i have a huge backlog when i come home...
09:44<planetmaker>Im Märzen der Bauer... etc pp. They're all sowing new OpenTTD plants. To be harvested in autumn :)
09:44<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: your eyes died
09:44<planetmaker>:O
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10:07<Eddi|zuHause><SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: did they ask a crowd of french tourists? <- no, the french hymn is really widely known in germany
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10:24<apo>Apparently openttd doesn't like flattening 2000^2 pieces of land at once.
10:24<apo>*waits*
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10:28<KingJ>Do a giant screenshot too
10:31<apo>;)
10:32<planetmaker>apo: that's about 4M DoCommands...
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10:34<apo>Indeed
10:35<apo>It's not even doing that many, though
10:35<apo>It comes to a grinding halt when I try to select about 1/4 of the area
10:35<apo>Probably less =P
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10:40<apo>Hm, what happens if a city gets wet? Does it get destroyed?
10:41<@Rubidium>it drops it's leafs and once it dries up again it starts growing again
10:45<apo>Cool.
10:46<apo>Let's see how fast it builds the first building again.
10:46*apo just killed 700 e-people. =P
10:47<Ammler>maybe you should play civilization or so ;-)
10:47<apo>:P
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11:03<dihedral>planetmaker, please dont harvest noobs
11:03<dihedral>we have enough of them :-P
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11:05<Brokkoli>but they will grow
11:05<fjb>Hello
11:07<dihedral>Brokkoli, not all of them
11:07<Brokkoli>ok thats true
11:07<Brokkoli>but at least some
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11:22<DASPRiD>eat more dihedral!
11:22<DASPRiD>s/dihedral/brokkoli
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11:25<fjb>Dehydrated brokkoli?
11:26<DASPRiD>that doesnt sound tasty :/
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11:46<gizmo>jodelio ...
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13:01<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15598 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2695]: crash when opening viewport while scrolling the map and the mouse 'lands' on the window decoration of the viewport.
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13:19<batti5>Is it allowed to and banner from neobux, as a signature?
13:20<planetmaker>if that's your favorite porn site, I guess not
13:20<batti5>its a PTC site
13:20<Sacro>that sentence makes no sens
13:20<Sacro>*sense
13:20<planetmaker>s/n/d/ <-- Sacro :)
13:21<Sacro>oh, hm
13:21<Sacro>s/,// too
13:21<planetmaker>parse error :P
13:21<planetmaker>fuzzy logic rulez
13:22*planetmaker wonders what PTC might stand for...
13:22<smeding>positive temperature coefficient
13:22<smeding>duh.
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13:22<Sacro>Yeah duh :p
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13:29<batti5>PTC is Paid to click
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13:30<Cutter>hi
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13:30<Cutter>I want to install 0.6.3 over 0.6.2 on WinXP
13:30<Cutter>do I have to uninstall 0.6.2 first?
13:30<batti5>more info here: http://www.neobux.com
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13:31<@Rubidium>nope
13:31<Cutter>nevermind
13:31<Cutter>I tried anyway and its ok
13:32<Cutter>thx bye
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13:39<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r15599 /trunk/src/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt german.txt lithuanian.txt):
13:39<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-03-02 18:39:38
13:39<CIA-1>OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 4 fixed by tucalipe (4)
13:39<CIA-1>OpenTTD: german - 35 changed by planetmaker (35)
13:39<CIA-1>OpenTTD: lithuanian - 49 fixed, 33 changed by Devastator (82)
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13:45<Yexo>hello
13:47<planetmaker>salut yexo
13:47<planetmaker>lol @ Cutter...
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14:17<@petern>hmm
14:19<@petern>modern technology
14:19<@petern>listening to last.fm and using ssh
14:20<@petern>from my mobile
14:20<Sacro>ooh
14:20<Sacro>that's techy of you
14:20<@petern>quite
14:20<apo>SCIENCE
14:20<@petern>and a train just went past
14:20<Sacro>zomg nice
14:20<@petern>quite quiet
14:21<apo>Same here. I have sound turned off ;)
14:21<@petern>going ip to aylesbury parkway
14:21<@petern>wonder what bitrate this is
14:22<@petern>proabably hurting 3g a bit
14:22<@petern>tarriff wisw
14:23<@petern>hmm, bus
14:23<@petern>maybe i should've hopped on that
14:25<@Belugas>said the kangoroo
14:26<@petern>npt being a bus user i have no idea of the routes
14:30<@Belugas>whoo...!! last.fm restarted!
14:30<@Belugas>last time used, 29th of october
14:30<@petern>;)
14:37<@petern>turned that off
14:38<@petern>switched to mem card
14:38<@petern>with teeth
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14:40<@Belugas>got this All-Mogwai CD on the drive :)
14:40<@Belugas>which are BACK IN TOWN!
14:41<@petern>:)
14:42<@petern>taking photos of the abysmal cycle routes they've put in
14:42-!-Progman [~progman@p57A1C90F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman]
14:42<@petern>i.e. painting a crossing red does not a cycle path make
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14:44<@petern>don't you fucking know what you are
14:45<planetmaker>STR_CONFIG_SETTING_SERVINT <-- looks rather funny as you never really know whether it's % or days...
14:45<@petern>make a patch
14:45<planetmaker>:)
14:47<@SmatZ>planetmaker: I think this was discussed not a long time ago, with no clear result
14:47<planetmaker>oh, ok. I didn't see that discussion :)
14:47<@SmatZ>it wasn't here :)
14:48<@petern>sekrit dev channelz
14:49<planetmaker>:)
14:50<@Belugas>ho. ho... gho... I know it's address!!!! I DO!!!
14:51<@petern>argh
14:51<@petern>at town centre
14:51<@petern>started raining
14:51<@petern>otoh over half way there
14:52<@petern>must resist kebab
14:52<@Belugas>chips
14:52<@Belugas>popcorn
14:52<@Belugas>beer
14:52<@Belugas>sausage
14:52<@Belugas>peanuts!
14:52<@Belugas>Roasted Almonds!!
14:52<@petern>noi+
14:53<@Belugas>noix
14:54<@petern>past mcdonalds
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14:54<@petern>ugh
14:54<@petern>full of chavs
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14:55<Sacro>hehe
14:56<@petern>hmm
14:56<batti5>dose anybody know whare ottd downloads grfs?, i cant find them in data directory.
14:56<@petern>3br houses still more than what i paid
14:57<@petern>next to data
14:57<@petern>content_download or siimilar
14:58<@Belugas>batti5 : does -> does, whare -> where, cant -> can't
14:59<@Belugas>dose - > does
14:59<@petern>argh
14:59<@petern>another set of takeaways
15:00<@petern>smells good
15:00<@Belugas>mobile... phone or laptop?
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15:02<@petern>mobile
15:02<@petern>nokia e71
15:03<@petern>can run ottd but 320x240 sucks
15:04<@Belugas>nice machine :)
15:09<@petern>home now
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15:19<batti5>Belugas : OK
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15:24<batti5>how can you create a channel at OFTC?
15:24<KenjiE20>same as anywhere, /join #channelname
15:25<KenjiE20>registering on the other hand probably requires x numbers of ppl
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15:26<batti5>what is ppl?
15:26<KenjiE20>shorthand for people
15:31<Sacro>not shortnand
15:31<Sacro>*shorthand
15:31<Sacro>just short
15:33<Prof_Frink>Abbreviation.
15:34<smeding>and silly at any rate
15:35<SpComb>KenjiE20: it doesn't
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16:01<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r15600 /trunk/src/statusbar_gui.cpp: -Fix (r0): Replace a newline in a news message by four spaces before drawing it in the statusbar.
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16:37<Eddi|zuHause>what's an r0?
16:38<Yexo>it means the problem already existed in the first revision of the current repository
16:39<Yexo>apparently others use r1 for that purpose
16:41<@Rubidium>r0 is an empty repository ;)
16:42<DASPRiD>lie :P
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16:46<@Belugas>prove otherwise ;)
16:46<Prof_Frink>Call it rTTD.
16:49<kasper>hey there, is there a way to increase the station influence area? I'd like to build towns with less stations (passengers)
16:50<Yexo>you can combine multiple stops in one stations, that's easy now distant-join is in trunk
16:51<kasper>like building a single bit of the station somewhere?
16:51<kasper>or a busstation just within the influence area of a railway station?
16:52<Eddi|zuHause>press ctrl when building the station, and select it to join the existing station
16:52<kasper>hmmz, didnt know that.. looks promising :)
16:52<kasper>great improvement!
16:55<Eddi|zuHause>the magic ctrl key, you'd sometimes be suprised what it does ;)
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16:57<fjb>In communist Russia the the ctrl key would control you.
16:57<Eddi|zuHause>i recommend you to not try ;=
16:58<@petern>hmm
16:58<smeding>soviet russia, and also old, and also not all that interesting to begin with
16:58<@petern>spam: 8.3% clean: 91.7%
16:58<smeding>maybe if we party like it's the 1970s
16:59<kasper>Its amazing.. i cn cover a whole city with just 2 stations.. :)
17:00*Yexo can cover a whole 256x256 map with just 4 stations :)
17:00<@petern>cheat!
17:00<@Rubidium>Yexo: interesting ;)
17:01<kasper>what code is used to code openttd actually? <-- pointing at things like the patches and such
17:01<Yexo>Rubidium: that would indeed be interesting :p. With 16 stations it can be done though
17:01<kasper>or the land generator.. I'd like to pick up coding again.. :)
17:02<@petern>morse
17:02<kasper>hehe, thats why the germans never understood it :P
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17:05*Belugas goes home sweet home
17:06<@Rubidium>night Belugas
17:07<MrFrans>kasper, http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Development_Documentation
17:09<kasper>aye, looks like math lab mixed with php
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17:17<kasper>there are so many things small id like to see included in openttd.. i guess i'd have to try it myself :P
17:17<kasper>*small things
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17:21<@petern>math lab mixed with php? bwhaha
17:23<kasper>well, the small example pieces.. don't know about the entire code.. :P just trying to find something simular
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17:23<Eddi|zuHause>kasper: almost all languages look very similar...
17:23<Aali>maybe you should just look at the code
17:23<Eddi|zuHause>doesn't mean they are in any kind related
17:24<kasper>I'd like to live a tad bit longer Aali :P
17:24<kasper>Do understand that Eddi, math lab and php arent the same either.. not at all
17:24<Aali>so you're sifting through outdated examples of how the code might look like?
17:25<kasper>yepz
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17:26<Aali>oh and, I hate to break it to you, but your life was over the second you joined this channel :)
17:26<kasper>may i still run? :P
17:26<Aali>too late
17:26<kasper>good, so you'd better drag me in then :)
17:27<Eddi|zuHause>your only options now are taking the blue pill or the red pill
17:27<Eddi|zuHause>they both make you addicted, though.
17:28<kasper>I'm already addicted to TTD and openTTD.. since they supplied this silver game box with my first pc..
17:28<kasper>about 1997 i think..
17:30<Eddi|zuHause>youngster :p
17:31<Eddi|zuHause>i was addicted to TT when i first got the demo version, that was in 1993 or 1994
17:31<Eddi|zuHause>i think
17:31<kasper>hmmz :)
17:31<kasper>But my general Transport Addiction is larger :P
17:32<kasper>One must be quiet crazy to take classes in transport management. :P.
17:32<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.mobygames.com/game/highscreen-fun-pack-2 <- i think it was on this CD
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17:33<Eddi|zuHause>i still have the box, but the CD is missing :(
17:33<energetic>Hmm, a submitted bug was closed before I could answer decently....
17:33<kasper>mine came in a box with total annihilation.. and a few other games
17:33<kasper>great games :)
17:33<kasper>believe it was logitech
17:33<kasper>not sure though
17:34<kasper>And a motor racing game...
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17:57<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15601 /trunk/ (19 files in 4 dirs):
17:57<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2615]: bridges/tunnels don't store tram owner making it possible to remove someone's tram tracks.
17:57<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Feature: allow building road stops on road/tram tracks of competitors.
17:58<Sacro> oooh
17:59<Eddi|zuHause>you _could_ have seen that coming if you watched the previous commits closely ;)
18:00<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: all of it?
18:01<@Rubidium>part of it, yes, but I seriously doubt the other part
18:01<Eddi|zuHause>well, "something like that"
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18:06<Eddi|zuHause><petern> must resist kebab <- i never manage that...
18:07<@Rubidium>are you digging through your backlog?
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18:08<Eddi|zuHause>a little bit ;)
18:09<Eddi|zuHause>my buffer is over 24h hours...
18:09<Eddi|zuHause>there were days where it didn't even last 12h
18:10<@Rubidium>anyhow... feces covered frozen kebab is irresitable for you?
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18:10<@Rubidium>or do you manage to resist that kebab?
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18:10<Eddi|zuHause>not that this is a situation that is regularly occuring to me...
18:11<Eddi|zuHause>there are laws on what may be in kebab to still call it kebab ;)
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18:17<Eddi|zuHause>i think i found something for el_en (where is he anyway?): http://images.videolan.org/vlc/skins2/main_scr.png
18:18<+glx>ugly vlc skin
18:20<Eddi|zuHause>http://userstyles.org/styles/6738 <- well, alternatively ;)
18:35<Ammler>to load a grf from console, I need to
18:35<Ammler>content select <grfid>
18:35<Ammler>content download
18:36<Ammler>that should work?
18:36<+glx>it should download them
18:36<+glx>(I never tried)
18:36<Ammler>hmm
18:36<Eddi|zuHause>hm, this "Spielzeugland" short film is really good
18:37<Ammler>I tried also with all instead of the id,
18:38<+glx>did you try help?
18:40<Ammler>there is still no webapi?
18:40<Ammler>http://paste.openttd.org/180020
18:41<+glx>content update
18:41<+glx>to get the list
18:41<+glx>- update: get a new list of downloadable content; must be run first <-- doc is clear ;)
18:42<Eddi|zuHause>the content download window needs a graphical representation for grfs that you have, but are not up-to-date
18:42<Eddi|zuHause>like a yellow dot
18:42<Ammler>glx: yeah :-$
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18:43<Ammler>but the id seems not work
18:43<Ammler>try with md5
18:44<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: and how do you expect people to 'understand' that those yellow dots are in fact checkboxes?
18:44<@Rubidium>and how do you show the state of said checkboxes?
18:44<+glx>maybe id correspond to something shown by 'content state'
18:44<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: introduce a new yellow box with both checked and unchecked state?
18:45<Yexo>selecting a newgrf (with "content select [id]") and then opening the content download gui clears the selection
18:46<+glx>Yexo: of course, the gui reask for the list
18:46<+glx>I think
18:46<KenjiE20><+glx> maybe id correspond to something shown by 'content state' <-- this is right
18:46<Ammler>I guess, you would need the number of that "state"
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18:47<Yexo>glx: why or course? selecting/unselecting items via the console while the content gui is open works as expected (only the gui isn't refreshed)
18:47<KenjiE20>I just tested, "content update" -> "content state" -> picked 154 -> "content select 154" -> "content download"
18:47<Ammler>well, I load it local and upload it...
18:48<+glx>Yexo: then it's a bug ;)
18:48<+glx>console stuff has been added after gui
18:48<Ammler>KenjiE20: yep, but what about GRFs disapeard on top of the list?
18:49<Yexo>closing the gui and reopening it also clears all selected items
18:49<KenjiE20>shift PgUp
18:49<Yexo>though that may be expected behavior
18:49<KenjiE20>or is it ctrl pgup?
18:49<KenjiE20>one of the two
18:49<Yexo>it's shift
18:49<Ammler>no sure, if ap allows that
18:49<Yexo>Ammler: that only works in the in-game console
18:49<Ammler>mäh, I upload all
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18:50<KenjiE20>or for a ded run, put '> openttd.log' on the end of the command and then 'cat' it
18:51<+glx>or start it in screen :)
18:52<Eddi|zuHause>or run in any terminal that allows a longer buffer than the screen is high
18:52<Ammler>how to select an old grf?
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18:52<Eddi|zuHause>hm... a 4x4 sudoku is somehow... trivial...
18:53<Ammler>I think, you should be able to select with md5
18:53<+glx>old grf are selected only when loading game
18:53<Ammler>glx: how on a server?
18:53<+glx>server refuse loading when there's a missing grf :)
18:54<Ammler>yep, but it has a nice output with missing grfid and md5sum, which you could use.
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