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---Logopened Mon Apr 06 00:00:36 2009
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01:07<Forked>good morning
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01:34<@orudge>the Internet is quite at this time of the morning
01:35<Forked>the giant sleeps
01:36<EoD>does someone know when the masterserver is restarted?
01:36<EoD>or updated
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02:20<EoD>i've to leave
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02:21<dihedral>hello petern :)
02:21<@orudge>I guess it's probably nearly bed time
02:23<dihedral>when is it not bed time?
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02:38<@petern>when it's 7am and you need to get up
02:38<@petern>but alas
02:38<@petern>orudge is being all nocturnal
02:38<@orudge>indeed so
02:38<@petern>like some kind of teenager
02:38<@orudge>I am no teenager
02:38<@orudge>but I do have a project due
02:38<@orudge>so I am being a student!
02:39<@petern>what, going out drinking all night and not doing your work?
02:39<@orudge>staying up all night doing my work!
02:40<@orudge>that I didn't do in previous weeks due to going out drinking all night!
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02:46<dihedral>hehe :-P
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05:12*petern ponders the possibility of causing 'mayhem' by spoofing session key packets
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05:16<phidah>What does Lighthouses and Transmitters do?
05:18<jonty-comp>sit look nice
05:18<Forked>also they are annoying obstacles :)
05:19<gleeb>phidah, jonty-comp: More than that. They sit there looking pretty EXACTLY where you need to build.
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05:19<jonty-comp>well, yes
05:19<phidah>ok so the essence is that they dont do anything except... eh... be there? :)
05:20<dihedral>what do transmitters to for you in real life, if you have no radio, tv, mobile phone, or anything that uses transmitters?
05:21<Forked>pfft.. transmitters were a common sight in the 1850s? :p
05:21<dihedral>replace them with windmills ^^
05:22<Forked>I have been wondering where the electricity for the trains come from
05:22<Forked>(well at least I have been wondering for the lat 38 seconds)
05:23<gleeb>Forked: Magical Catinary Electrification Faeries. Obviously.
05:23<Forked>oh right
05:23<Forked>time for lunch
05:23<@petern>hmm, what bit of apache would cause a request for "/news" to go to "/news.php" ?
05:24<gleeb>petern: It's a default behaviour in the PHP module, as I recall.
05:27<jonty-comp>OK, seeins as every beginners tutorial on the entire internet works work bind, I will remove nsd for now and learn bind instead
05:27<gleeb>It could be an apache thing, to be honest...
05:27<dihedral>Forked, electricity comes from the master server ^^
05:29<@petern>i'm using suphp module rather than the php module
05:29<@petern>wision_, nope, i'm trying to use rewrite but it's already attached .php at that point
05:29<@petern>thought it might be mod_speling but that's not enabled either
05:30<dihedral>it's a standard behaviour, also does it with .html files iirc
05:30<dihedral>(standard for apache at least)
05:30<@petern>happens for .txt yes
05:30<@petern>is it turn offable? it's annoying :o
05:30<dihedral>i'll check ^^
05:31<dihedral>should not be DirectoryIndex ^^
05:34<@petern>it's MultiViews
05:34<@petern>which is enabled by default in a million places
05:34*petern wonders what it does anyway :p
05:35<@petern> multiviews seeks to find the 'best match' for any requested URL that does not literally exist on the server.
05:35<@petern>all urls should be specific imho
05:36*jonty-comp gives up on learning DNS
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05:38<@petern>what's there to learn?
05:39<jonty-comp>too much
05:41<dihedral>jonty-comp, nobody has pitty with you if you give up that early
05:41<@petern>i threw away a bind & dns book the other day
05:41<@petern>mostly cos it's vastly of out date
05:41<@petern>but also because nobody needs books
05:41<@petern>and a sendmail book
05:41<@petern>cos nobody should be using sendmail
05:41<jonty-comp>OK, I don't give up D:
05:42<jonty-comp>I will just look for a better tutorial
05:42<jonty-comp>there are too many .s :s
05:42<@petern>are you setting up your own server?
05:42<jonty-comp>I like how reverse zone thingys mean you put your IP in backwards
05:42<dihedral>reverse lookup is something ircd does
05:43<dihedral>they lookup your ip and then use the dns name that it resolves to in your hostmask
05:43<dihedral>(e.g. run a /whois on one of the people here)
05:43<@petern>what are you talking about?
05:43<dihedral>(hint: /whois <nickname>)
05:43<@petern>jonty-comp's talking about dns server setup...
05:43<dihedral>yes, he mentioned reverse zones
05:44<@petern>what does that have to do with ircds?
05:44<dihedral>ircd is an example of where the reverse lookup is used
05:44<@petern>so is "host"
05:46<@petern>so is "host -t PTR"
05:46<@petern>(which happens to go some way to explaining that reverse dns isn't magic)
05:47<jonty-comp>not for me it doesn't!
05:51<dihedral>fixes the client side assert when trying to click on 'new company' in the company dropdown list faster (i.e. 'creating' 2 companies)
05:51*jonty-comp gives up again
05:51<gleeb>jonty-comp: What's the trouble?
05:52<jonty-comp>I can tell I need to learn more stuff before I try this :s
05:54<dihedral>ah - nope it does not!
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06:03<dihedral>i hate this assert bug ^^
06:04<@petern>just remove the assert :p
06:04<dihedral>that'd be nice
06:04<dihedral>imo the assert takes place way too late anyway!
06:05<@petern>i don't know the flow of code through there, but it seems to be an assert in Cmd-land...
06:05<dihedral>it asserts if _local_company != COMPANY_SPECTATOR
06:05<dihedral>but by then, the company is already created in the client :-P
06:05<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15963 /trunk/src/string.cpp: -Fix [FS#2814]: (v)seprintf chopped of strings one character earlier than necessary.
06:06<@petern>yes i know where the assert is
06:06<dihedral>and it looks like the server has created the company also already!!
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06:08<dihedral>i would prefer just ignoring that command (on clients and server) if ci->play_as != COMPANY_SPECTATOR
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06:16<dihedral>hello TB
06:16<jonty-comp>TrueBrain: I broke some more stuff
06:16<TrueBrain>jonty-comp: not suprising me :)
06:16<TrueBrain>every considered not touching anything? :p
06:16<jonty-comp>nope :D
06:16<jonty-comp>hey, it's all a learning curve
06:16<TrueBrain>what did you do this time? :)
06:17<jonty-comp>computer wouldn't log on
06:17<jonty-comp>uninstalled AVG, installed Comodo and it's currently scanning
06:17<jonty-comp>found 9 'threats' so far
06:17<TrueBrain>wow .. you fucked up :p
06:17<jonty-comp>no, AVG did!
06:17*jonty-comp shifts blame
06:18<jonty-comp>I also gave up on learning DNS twice so far this morning
06:18<jonty-comp>as my friend's facebook status says, 'if at first you don't succeed, quit and destroy all evidence of any previous attempts'
06:18<dihedral>jonty-comp, giving up on dns after looking at it for one day is pretty sad
06:19<TrueBrain>jonty-comp: sounds like a plan ;)
06:19<jonty-comp>dihedral: but it was less than one day ;)
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06:19<jonty-comp>it was less than one hour
06:19*jonty-comp seems to be taking over your #openttds, by the way
06:20<|Japa|>yay! finally found a use for my overheating HDD
06:20<+glx>room heating?
06:21<jonty-comp>stress relief
06:21<dihedral>jonty-comp, to be honest, if you give up that early - it's your own stupid - silly fault!
06:21<jonty-comp>I wholeheartedly agree
06:22<jonty-comp>is it still bad if I give up in order to play ottd instead?
06:22<|Japa|>I stuck a cold pizza on it, ant started a defrag
06:22<|Japa|>now I wait
06:23<dihedral>no - it's just annoying if you gonna give up on stuff that fast to start going on about it
06:24<|Japa|>I finally got SVN working
06:24*jonty-comp shall shut up then
06:25<|Japa|>now to sucessfully compile for the first time
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06:30<@petern>ipv6 routing tables are... ugly :/
06:32<TrueBrain>petern: did RIPE finally replied?
06:34<@petern>i have some FD03 addresses set up
06:34<@petern>well, FDxx
06:34<@petern>is private addresing
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06:47<TrueBrain>10% of traffic was IPv6 yesterday; yet 2% of the hits were :p
06:49<Ammler>because of the tests you make ;-)
06:49<TrueBrain>I didn't touch it :p
06:50<TrueBrain>that said ... the last few days (after the 0.7.0 release) we have 3000+ downloads a day of the game
06:50<Gekz>I cant get ipv6
06:50<Gekz>my router doesnt even support it
06:50<TrueBrain>@calc 66 / 3000
06:50<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 0.022
06:50<TrueBrain>@calc 66 / 3000 * 100
06:50<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 2.2
06:50<Gekz>and tunneling just isnt worth it
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06:51<TrueBrain>2% of the people still downloaded 0.6.3
06:51<dihedral>bad idea?
06:51<Ammler>direct links :-(
06:51<TrueBrain>1 person downloaded NoAI ... lol :p
06:52<Ammler>that is why I redirect download hits to old grfpack versions to the grf wiki :-)
06:52<gleeb>TrueBrain: Could be because that's the version in Ubuntu.
06:52<TrueBrain>gleeb: I don't think they download windows binaries
06:52<TrueBrain>but sure, it is possible :)
06:53<gleeb>TrueBrain: I see. Check referrer? :P
06:53<@petern>one wouldn't expect ubuntu to rush out an update for a game
06:53<@petern>it's a quality tested product after all
06:54<TrueBrain>gleeb: access-logs are anonymized by now, including referer
06:54<TrueBrain>we only keep 'counts'
06:55<TrueBrain>IPs normally survive less than 48 hours
06:55<@petern>oh yeah
06:55<@petern>we have to keep logs now, heh
06:55<@petern>though we did anyway
06:55<gleeb>TrueBrain: Well, use google to see who links to the landing page for 0.6.3
06:55<TrueBrain>I refuse! :p
06:55<TrueBrain>petern: logs .. what are they? :p
06:55<TrueBrain>I need the diskspace!! :p
06:56<@petern>yeah, for logs :D
06:57<jonty-comp>openDNS gets updated records extremely quickly :o
06:58<TrueBrain>jonty-comp: depends on the TTL :p
06:58<jonty-comp>well, I believe it's all set to 1 hour
06:58<jonty-comp>but it propagated in minutes
06:58<TrueBrain>new records, sure
06:58<TrueBrain>non-requested records, sure
06:58<TrueBrain>existing records: 1 hour :p
06:59<jonty-comp>nope, changed nameservers
06:59*jonty-comp is using the GoDaddy DNS contol panel! :D
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06:59<jonty-comp>I figure if I work out how to use a gui first, then it's a stepping stone towards doing it properly
07:01<TrueBrain>either a server here sends morse of TOM or ESI :p
07:01<TrueBrain>(not sure if they are meant to be long notes, or short :p)
07:01<@petern>fucking cocks
07:02<JH>used 2.8 mill to bribe a city
07:02<JH>and still not allowing me to build airport
07:03<JH>stupid city
07:08<+glx>unless noise level is already at max
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07:23<TrueBrain>hmm .. I need to make a softraid install on a machine with only one disk (the other disk will join later)
07:24<TrueBrain>fedora 10 doesn't let me .. (I don't want to install fedora!! :()
07:25<TrueBrain>blegh ..
07:25<TrueBrain>I hate installers which 'think' for you :(
07:30<TrueBrain>so .. you rip out a drive of a random other server
07:30<TrueBrain>push it in this .. do the install
07:30<TrueBrain>rip it out again, and put it back
07:30<TrueBrain>long live simplicity!!!! :s
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07:48<Forked>best. cake. ever.
07:49<gleeb>Was it moise?
07:49<Forked>one year+one day since our co worker was that drunk.. we celebrate with cake :p
07:49<Forked>(he doesn't smoke)
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09:16<@petern>"No allocations of this type have been made to your LIR"
09:16<@petern>well boo!
09:16<@petern>slow people :o
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09:17<+Patrick`>evening gents
09:17<+Patrick`>long time no see, is it still svn? you must be up to 15,000 or something
09:18<TrueBrain>oh no, it is a Patrick`
09:18<+Patrick`>ooh ooh ooh
09:18<+Patrick`>non-ocean edge squares
09:19<+Patrick`>does that mean the map could wrap?
09:20<+Patrick`>it's not realistic then *duck*
09:21<@petern>no just a lot of work, heh
09:21<@Belugas>can I just kick that guy??
09:21<TrueBrain>Belugas: no, you can not
09:21<@petern>thatguy: No such nick/channel
09:22<@Belugas>oh... I see... jsut because he's a patric(K), he's protected !
09:22<TrueBrain>Belugas: MWHAHAHAHAHA
09:22<@petern>he's not just any old patric(K)
09:22<@petern>he's Patrick`
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09:24<@Belugas>HE SAID THE R WORD!!!
09:24<@Belugas>This means WAR!~
09:24<@petern>being realistic, realistically, it's just a word
09:24<@petern>it's unrealistic to expect realism
09:25<@petern>(therefore wrapped maps could work?)
09:26<+Patrick`>it's perfectly realistic to want to build a map on a mobius strip
09:26<+Patrick`>or niven's ringworld
09:27<@petern>mobius map, eh?
09:27<@petern>that one might be a little tricky to implement
09:27<@petern>unless you just imagine the twist
09:27<|Japa|>doughnut world
09:27<Ammler>Belugas: do you have _that_ word in your highlight list? ;-)
09:28<@Belugas>not needed, believe me
09:31<fonsinchen>The build system is somewhat broken ... I assume you know that it frequently misses some dependencies. Which files do I have to remove and regenerate when it says:
09:31<fonsinchen>Error: No available language packs (invalid versions?)
09:31<|Japa|>Why, Belugas, does the idea of a train simulator with all exact scales, both distance and time, making it impossible to both see you network, and individual trains, at once?
09:32<|Japa|>can out anguisjh>?
09:32<fonsinchen>and I don't want to do a full rebuild every time it does that ...
09:32<|Japa|>ok, I messed that whole thing up
09:32<|Japa|>I really should proof read my IRC postings
09:32<@Belugas>|Japa| : too long of a question.
09:32<Ammler>fonsinchen: he, had the same today too, I ran make clean
09:33<@Belugas>the only thing i gather is : TRAIN SIMULATOR
09:33<@Belugas>OpenTTD is not one
09:33<fonsinchen>yes, but it does that everytime I switch my git branches
09:33<fonsinchen>and that's often
09:33<fonsinchen>resulting in many full rebuilds
09:33<Ammler>openttd(coop) ir more a traffic simulator
09:33<fonsinchen>which annoys me
09:34<@petern>it is not a simulator
09:34<@petern>and it bugs me that the debian package puts it under the simulation menu
09:34<Forked>s/simulator/generator ?
09:34<Ammler>suse has also strange category
09:34<@Belugas>a simulator means that it is intended to be a a representation of somehting, as close as possible
09:34<@petern>suse is just strange
09:34<|Japa|>the gist of it was that a train game with realistic scales would make it impossible to see individual trains at the same time as being able to see enough of the network to be usefull
09:34<@petern>openbve is my train simulator
09:34<@petern>(it's pretty boring)
09:35<@petern>((because it simulates a train))
09:35<fonsinchen>a simulation tries to highlight a part of something
09:35<Ammler>Amusements/Games/Strategy/Turn Based
09:35<fonsinchen>and that specific part as accurate as possible
09:35<fonsinchen>but it deliberately ignores other aspects
09:35<fonsinchen>otherwise it would be reality
09:35<@petern>fonsinchen, well then, ottd is not a simulator by that definition either :)
09:35<@Belugas>or if it is, it is a VERY weak simulator
09:36<fonsinchen>a simulation game is somewhat like a simulation but not as strict
09:36<fonsinchen>most at least
09:36<@Belugas>so weak that it has failed to its job
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09:36<|Japa|>Microsift train simulator: you ae a train driver, you can go forward, you can stop.
09:36<Ammler>"jam" simulator :-P
09:38<Ammler>wasn't there a talk here (with patch?) about driving a train in openttd self?
09:38<@petern>in openttd self?
09:38<@petern>you make no sense sometimes
09:38<fonsinchen>real 1m35.731s
09:38<|Japa|>you mean opening the trains window, and clicking on the bottom bar?
09:39<fonsinchen>This is how much of my time the build system eats every time it messes up the dependencies
09:39<Ammler>a little bit more
09:39<fonsinchen>perhaps I should fix it ...
09:39<Forked>Ammler: I seem to recall a patch doing something like that.. or at least talks about it.
09:39<Ammler>with Brianetta
09:40<@Belugas>Ammler: some noob might have discussed that, i reckon. But... Hey.. Someone has not finished it, nor started, and WE do not asked him to do so, nor are interested
09:41<Ammler>petern: more controlling about a train then just start/stop
09:41<@Belugas>you are so freakingly strange
09:41<@petern>"in openttd self" still makes no sense
09:42<Ammler>Belugas: ?
09:43<@Belugas>Ammler: !
09:43<Ammler>it was just a question :P
09:43<Forked>petern: it's missing the word "it"
09:43<@Belugas>and it was just an answer :)
09:43<@petern>"in openttd itself" ?
09:44<Forked>or the letters, yes something like that
09:44<@petern>but you should never assume with ammler
09:45<@petern>i hooked up my keyboard into a kind of studio area :D
09:45<Ammler>Belugas: I am pretty sure, there were devs involved in that talk
09:45<@petern>Ammler, i wrote it as a hack, no more
09:45<@petern>it was never going to go into the game
09:45<@petern>and never going to be network-safe
09:46<|Japa|>seriously, tho, what is there to do, really?
09:46<|Japa|>other than start and stop?
09:46<|Japa|>and get off the strain, have a sammich, and get into the other engine?
09:46<@petern>power/brake regulator, heh
09:47<Ammler>petern: well, not every patch needs to go to trunk, who said that? :-)
09:47<@petern>i got a response from ripe
09:48<@Belugas>wonderfull peter :) Did it sounded better this way? and... is there someting to chew on?
09:49<@petern>er, well
09:49<@petern>it says, "you've not paid us this quarter" :s
09:50<@Belugas>[09:49] <Ammler> petern: well, not every patch needs to go to trunk, who said that? :-) <-- patchers often believe that
09:50<+planetmaker>then they need to patch their awareness :P
09:50<@petern>not every patch needs to be maintained :)
09:51<+planetmaker>and hello all :)
09:51<@petern>anyway, need rv, ship and plane control too :D
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09:55<Ammler>well, that is why _i_ am happy about _my_ favorite paches going to trunk, so I can be sure, they will be maintained also if the patcher is gone. But why patchers should think that way, dunno.
09:55<@petern>not really
09:56<@petern>i was not in the least upset when darkvater rejected my diagonal rails under bridges patch
09:57<|Japa|>well, there's something better now
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09:59<welshdragon>anybody here use lycos mail (uk)?
09:59<welshdragon>(well, did)
10:00<@Rubidium>fonsinchen: disable makedepend, i.e. ./config --without-makedepend
10:00<@petern>i have ipv6
10:00<@petern>a /32
10:04<Swallow>What is the size and type of the {SETX ..} parameter? A signed byte?
10:04<TrueBrain>petern: concratz :)
10:06<mizipzor>whats the difference between {RAW_STRING} and {1:STRING}? (english.txt, for example)
10:06<@petern>STRING is a string ID
10:06<@petern>RAW_STRING is a char*
10:06<+Patrick`>so I can't find it on the wiki, but i know I've seen a page on it before
10:06<@petern>s :o
10:07<+Patrick`>how does production up/down of a primary industry get determined
10:07<mizipzor>petern: i see, what does the 1 do? the string id? i thought that was sent from code
10:07<+Patrick`>it's something to do with ratings and %transported
10:07<+Patrick`>and being too efficient makes the industry not producve
10:07<Swallow>IIRC it's the param number
10:08<@petern>it's probably magic :D
10:09<+Patrick`>one of my primaries that I'm servicing poorly keeps increasing
10:09<+Patrick`>but all the others don't :(
10:15<gleeb>Check the client list for 'Murphy'
10:18<@petern>like the murphy's, i'm not bitter
10:21<gleeb>That's an old advert.
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10:22<@Belugas>better then an old pervert
10:23<gleeb>Depends on the advert.
10:24<@Belugas>does not depend on the pervert
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11:05<@petern>and it's, hey babe
11:05<@petern>your supper's waiting for you
11:05<TrueBrain>enjoy :)
11:05<@petern>it's been a long long time
11:05<@petern>(hasn't it)
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11:09<@petern>hand in hand
11:09<@petern>gland in gland
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11:10<@petern>BANG BANG BANG
11:10<@petern>BANG BANG BANG
11:11<phidah>is there a way to close all open windows?
11:11<@petern>press delete
11:20<SmatZ>the more powerful version of "delete" is "shift+delete"
11:23<@petern>ctrl-alt-delete :D
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11:24<SmatZ>that's one of those "hardcore" ways
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11:26<@Belugas>in good old days, Ctrl+Alt+Del was a bit more effective than now
11:26<+glx>it's effective enough ;)
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11:54<welshdragon>we used to do CTRL+ALT+DEL in school, used to lose all our work
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11:57<@petern>heh, ipv6 rdns is "fun"
11:58<jonty-comp>no it isn't, I spent half the morning trying to get it to work
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11:59<@petern>EoD, i got it :D
11:59<@petern>(but not that one)
12:00<EoD>you have now native IPv6 support? :-o
12:00<@petern>i now have native IPv6 address allocation
12:00<@petern>setting it up is yet to come
12:00<EoD>ah, ok.
12:01<fonsinchen>Is there a reason GetSettingDescription is static? I'd like to use it like this:
12:01<EoD>But allocation is the right step into the right direction :)
12:01<fonsinchen>(I know this is sick)
12:01*jonty-comp has a /64 assigned to his tunnel, but not much to do with it
12:01<@petern>just what do i do with 7.9*10^28 addresses?
12:01<jonty-comp>it's nice to know I have the addresses all to myself though :P
12:01<phidah>is it possible to convert a train from one type to another... e.g. from monorail to maglev -without recreating the train?
12:03<EoD>petern: Get "a lot" of clients :)
12:04<@petern>i can send off my rdns delegation object
12:05<EoD>you could offer native ipv6 mobile support if you have too much addresses lef t;)
12:06<jonty-comp>hmm, 5013787368800924115024 addresses per person on earth
12:06<jonty-comp>or so my calculator + website estimating world population says
12:06<jonty-comp>I call 25 years before we run out again
12:07<@petern>yeah, one day the /64 thing might have to go
12:07<@petern>we'll be going "omg, did we really give away a whole /64 to a subnet?"
12:07<jonty-comp>that's only 18446744073709551616 addresses!
12:07<gleeb>Oh, that all?
12:08<@petern>hmm, iirc you can set up delegation if the zone is not served...
12:08<jonty-comp>unless I pressed the wrong button
12:08<@petern>i better do that first :p
12:08<jonty-comp>which I frequently do
12:08<EoD>petern: - you could add yourself here
12:08<@petern>jonty-comp, btw, you know you can't set up rdns unless you're delegated for it, right?
12:09<jonty-comp>but apparently the people at freenet6 let you do that kind of thing
12:09<jonty-comp>other people seem to have done it, anyway
12:09<EoD>sixxs, too
12:10<@petern>i guess it's easier to pass delegation on with ipv6
12:10<jonty-comp>I've temporarily given up on working out the entire DNS thing manually and delegated to freedns
12:10<jonty-comp>at the moment resolves to something, but I'm not sure what.
12:12<EoD>i have my own zonefile for * Why don't you want to do it manually?
12:13<jonty-comp>because I don't know how to :p
12:13<@petern>have you installed a nameserver? :p
12:13<jonty-comp>if I can learn what all the terms mean via an interface first, then using a resolv.conf will be somewhat easier
12:14<jonty-comp>at the moment I have no idea what things like "" and "AAAA" mean :p
12:14<@petern>well resolv.conf is nothing to do wtih dns
12:14<@petern>er, dns serving
12:14*EoD is running bind...
12:14<jonty-comp>this is how much I know
12:14<@petern>EoD, as is anyone sensible
12:14<jonty-comp>bind uses up too much ram on my vps :(
12:14<@petern>only if you set it up wrong
12:15<@petern>djb's stuff is small, but...
12:15<jonty-comp>I haven't set it up at all!
12:15<jonty-comp>I just installed it, and it ate 100MB.
12:15<@petern>using 50MB for me
12:16<@petern>and that's set up with lots of domains and lots of queries
12:16<EoD>how do i find out about the memory bind uses?
12:16<EoD>ps? free?
12:16<@petern>ps aux | grep bind
12:17<jonty-comp>EoD: you run htop, look at how much RAM is in use, then start bind and see how much the usage bar goes up :P
12:17<@petern>6th column
12:17<EoD>it's in percents. I'm not good at maths!
12:17<@petern>RSS = memory used
12:17<jonty-comp>RSS = really simple syndication!
12:17*jonty-comp will go now.
12:17<@petern>resident set size
12:18<@petern>although you won't see that with grep :D
12:18<EoD>0.1%. I have 1.5GB of ram
12:18<@petern>6th column
12:18<EoD>no, that's too muh
12:19<@petern>bind 2079 2.7 5.1 81184 53052 ? Ssl Feb22 1696:24 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
12:19<@petern>so 53052 KB for me
12:20<EoD>so it uses <2MB here?
12:20<@petern>does it cache?
12:20<EoD>no, i don't think so
12:20<@petern>could easily do then
12:21<@petern>hmm, need to work my magic on the database
12:21<jonty-comp>well, on my htop there are 8 processes taking 14400KB each
12:22<EoD>named 4122 0.0 0.1 10504 1928 ? Ss Mar31 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u named -n 1
12:22<EoD>8 bind-processes?
12:24<jonty-comp>ps only lists one
12:24<jonty-comp>I don't know, maybe htop lies
12:24<EoD>here, too
12:25<jonty-comp>by the way petern, I turned off the loudness buttan on my amp and it sounds better!
12:25<@petern>ps doesn't show threads
12:25<jonty-comp>ah, threads
12:27<@petern>-T does
12:27<@petern>i've got 4 threads
12:27<@petern>btw, that 14400KB is shared between them
12:27<@petern>so it's not > 100MB at all
12:29<jonty-comp>the memory usage indicator goes up by about that much
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12:31<@petern>green or blue bar?
12:32<jonty-comp>"Peter's 0.7.0 UKRS Clients: 0/255"
12:32<@petern>htop devides the size by the number of threads
12:32<@petern>so if htop says 14400KB each, it is
12:32<jonty-comp>oh, I don't know/care :P
12:32<@petern>actually it doesn't
12:32<@petern>i was reading the wrong thing
12:33<jonty-comp>I have 128MB guaranteed RAM to play with, and up to 384MB considering there isn't 8GB worth of VPSes yet
12:33<EoD>so jonty, you will set up your own DNS server again? :)
12:33<@petern>meh, need to write sql scripts
12:33<jonty-comp>but perhaps not
12:33<@petern>as all my ip allocations are databaseised
12:33<@petern>i do not fiddle with zone files, thank you very much :D
12:33<jonty-comp>I have eventually begun to realise why people go on university courses for this kind of thing
12:34<jonty-comp>well, you can do 'computer networking' at university
12:35<@petern>computer stuff used to be about theories, algorithms and processes
12:35<@petern>not "how to start MS Word"
12:37<EoD>at our computing centre there are courses that teach something like "How to start MS Word"
12:40<EoD>this damn kernel compiles nearly 2h now...
12:43<TinoDidriksen>Using all cores?
12:44<EoD>using HT on one 3GHz core
12:44<EoD>i'm using "make -j3" if you're asking
12:44<EoD>*if that's what you mean
12:45<TrueBrain>EoD: I hate you for showing me the SysRq table .. I forgot all about it .. and now I use it too often :p
12:45<TrueBrain>today I rebooted the wrong machine (never put 2 keyboards really close to eachother :p)
12:49<EoD>TrueBrain: :-p
12:49<EoD>"wrong machine" == "wrong server"?
12:49<TrueBrain>a working station, so I couldn't care less
12:50<TrueBrain>it was running an import of OpenTTD language files .. couldn't care even less
12:50<EoD>You reboot with SysReq keys?? Why?
12:50<TrueBrain>kernel debugging
12:50<EoD>ah, ok
12:50<TrueBrain>I ... well .. manage to fuck up machines really nice ;)
12:51<TrueBrain>I even got an linux installer crashing today :)
12:51<EoD>?! what are you doing ?
12:51<TrueBrain>I just wanted to do more than it let me! :p
12:51<TrueBrain>nah, we received some new hardware, and our work-on-all-machines kernel needs a few new drivers
12:51<TinoDidriksen>Why not try those "dangerous" things in a virtual machine first?
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12:51<TrueBrain>because virtual machines don't need new drivers :p
12:52<TrueBrain>and well .. having a 2.6.22 kernel and the need for a 2.6.26 driver ... doesn't always mix as you might hope :p
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12:53<EoD>we are using 2.6.29 here, because some people are using btrfs
12:53<EoD>you should upgrade to 2.6.29 ;)
12:53<TrueBrain>can't; kernel patches
12:53<EoD>your own kernel patches?
12:54<TrueBrain>only driver updates :p
12:54<EoD>they dropped the support for your drivers in >2.6.26?!
12:55<TrueBrain>no; I need drivers that are in 2.6.26, but not in any stable form in .22 :p
12:57<SmatZ>TrueBrain: still using 2.6.22?
12:57<EoD>so they are probably also in 2.6.29, why don't just skip 2.6.26?
12:58<TrueBrain>EoD: and skip .27 and .28 too? Wow .. that goes WAY too fast! (sarcasm :p)
12:58<SmatZ>2.6.27 was announced as another "to be supported for long time" kernel
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12:58<EoD>.28 has ext4 support! and .29 has (exp) btrfs support!
12:58<TrueBrain>it takes time to install new kernels; you can't just update in production
12:58<TrueBrain>I won't use ext4 for the new few months at least
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12:59<TrueBrain>ext3 and xfs here
12:59<EoD>hm, ok
12:59<EoD>you are too "stable"!
12:59<TrueBrain>no, I want to keep thousands of customers happy :)
13:00<TrueBrain>there is a difference ;)
13:00<TrueBrain>"why is my domain offline?" - "sorry, we did a kernel update because EoD said we should!" :p
13:00*petern ponders
13:00<EoD>TrueBrain: Sounds good to me ;)
13:00<@petern>i ought to upgrade my backend database system, it's running sarge :o
13:00<TrueBrain>petern: it might be a good idea :p
13:01<TrueBrain>install a new machine, and copy over the data :p I like that method more and more ....
13:01<TrueBrain>btw, EoD, we are switching to ESXi in general, so soon kernel-updates are no longer our problem :p
13:01<TinoDidriksen>rsync ftw...
13:01<EoD>our server is running on lenny
13:01<TrueBrain> runs lenny too
13:01<@petern>ah, server, heh
13:01<@petern>my servers run on ... well
13:01<TrueBrain>petern: efficient :)
13:03<+planetmaker>petern: that'd be amazing :P
13:04<SmatZ>you are so green, petern
13:05<TrueBrain>and EoD, I am one of the lesser 'stable' persons :p Once a customer called, one of their switched kept on shutting down and rebooting, giving errors all over the network. I go down there, and after a few checks it turns out that it is a packet that is bouncing up and down between switches (a bug in old Cisco switches), causing switches to fail. Well .. my collegue starts to work out a plan to solve the issue. I just walk to the power switchboard, flip
13:05<TrueBrain>the switch, wait, flip it back, and walk out 10 minutes later :p So much for 'stable' :p
13:06<@Belugas>that's my kind of bug fixing :D
13:06<TrueBrain>the bug only appears after 3 years of uptime of a switch
13:06<TrueBrain>well .. that is easier to fix than flashing the switch :p
13:08<gleeb>TrueBrain: Lower cost, I'd imagine.
13:08<TrueBrain>gleeb: less chance of the 'new firmware' giving other problems :p
13:09<TrueBrain>"If it aint broken, don't fix it"
13:09<gleeb>TrueBrain: or hardware death ;)
13:09<gleeb>Sending a tech to powercycles one every three years is cheaper than a dead switch
13:10<TrueBrain>I am not the kind of person which runs /etc/init.d/lighttpd graceful|reload .... I use 'restart' :p (as you might hav enoticed on :p)
13:10<TrueBrain>gleeb: well, switces get replaced every 5 years anyway :p
13:10<gleeb>Well, there you go :P
13:10<TrueBrain>haha: I once replaced the PowerSupplyUnit of a switch with a 486 PSU :p Made the switch work for an other 2 years :)
13:10<TrueBrain>those good old days ....
13:12<TrueBrain>anyway .. any one feels up for designing WT3? :s
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13:19<@petern>yay, dns script works :D
13:28<@petern>delegation sent off
13:28<@petern>wonder if my gpg still works, heh
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13:33<EoD>hmm.... TrueBrain, did you stop my Xserver again?
13:35<TrueBrain>EoD: yeah, sorry about that
13:35<TrueBrain>I just had to
13:35<TrueBrain>it is so easy
13:35<TrueBrain>petern: concratz
13:35<TrueBrain>gleeb: WT3, as in WT2++
13:35<@petern>concratz :/
13:36<gleeb>I dunna what a WC2 is
13:36<TrueBrain>not long here, have you? :)
13:36*Rubidium is tempted to roll on the floor
13:36<EoD>TrueBrain: Yeah, it's ok.
13:36<TrueBrain>Rubidium: only if you are laughing :)
13:37*EoD knows what "wc" is...
13:37<Prof_Frink>It's a manufacturer of climbing gear.
13:37<TrueBrain>hmm .. I need to visit one
13:37<TrueBrain>not the one Prof_Frink is refering to :p
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13:40<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-06 17:40:13
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13:40<CIA-1>OpenTTD: czech - 2 fixed, 6 changed by SmatZ (8)
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13:47<EoD>What would you say: stable Gentoo or testing Debian for some office computer?
13:47<lolman>EoD: neither, Ubuntu
13:47<EoD>lol - no sorry
13:47<TinoDidriksen>For office workstations, definitely.
13:48<EoD>Then i could install windows, too
13:48<Prof_Frink>Gentoo on an office workstation? That would just prove the theory correct.
13:48<TinoDidriksen>Why the dislike for Ubuntu? It "just works" and is easier for the actual user.
13:49<EoD>i'm the admin, and imho ubuntu isn't easier than gentoo/debian
13:49<lolman>EoD: what about updates?
13:49<Prof_Frink>A bus station is where buses stop. A train station is where trains stop. A workstation...
13:49<TinoDidriksen>In your opinion. In the opinion of the average grunt office worker, I highly doubt Debian is easier to use than Ubuntu.
13:50<lolman>Gentoo? The entire set of machines goes down while it updates for about a week. Debian? Updates too often if you use testing. Ubuntu? Just right.
13:50<Prof_Frink>EoD: I'd go one step further. Ubuntu LTS.
13:51<EoD>lolman: We have Phenom II 920er around here. Updates don't take that long and they are usually at night (where noone is at the office). Debian updates take about 5mins if you update every week
13:51<Prof_Frink>Quiet, you.
13:51<Sacro>None of this new version crap
13:51<Sacro><3 rolling release
13:52<lolman>I'm gonna have to agree with Ubuntu LTS for production machines
13:52<EoD>x86_64 (amd64/EM64T)
13:52<EoD>two amd64 machines and two EM64T machines
13:55<EoD>Compiling openttd: Real 45s
13:56<lolman>EoD: I stil say Ubuntu
13:56<EoD>What's the advantage of having Ubuntu?
13:58<TinoDidriksen>The interface is much improved over other distros. Mortal people can actually find things in the menus.
13:59<TinoDidriksen>And it's based on Debian, so you get the best of both worlds. Easy to admin, easy to use.
13:59<Sacro>bloat :( crappy package manager
13:59<lolman>Sacro: actually, Arch packages have more in them than Ubuntu ones (headers and whatnot)
13:59<Sacro>lolman: i meant application bloa
13:59<Sacro>You can strip headers
13:59<lolman>By default they're not :P
13:59<EoD>You say that ubuntu is more stable than gentoo? ;)
13:59<lolman>EoD: yes.
13:59<EoD>And the "menu" actually depends on the desktop manager you use.
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14:00<lolman>EoD: speed does not equal stability.
14:00<@Rubidium>does tty qualify as a desktop manager?
14:00<TinoDidriksen>Sure it depends. But Ubuntu has improved it vastly. Default Gnome is a mess compared to Ubuntu's Gnome.
14:01<EoD>Rubidium: actually i think so ;)
14:01<Prof_Frink>Rubidium: You know that Ubuntu Server comes with a window manager now?
14:01<EoD>Actually we usually use LXDE.
14:01<TinoDidriksen>Servers do not need a window manager beyond Xvfb ...
14:01<EoD>(LXDE is a desktop manager)
14:01<Prof_Frink>TinoDidriksen: screen.
14:02<@petern>LXDE on a server?
14:02<EoD>no! LXDE on a workstation
14:02<@petern>a channel of jokers
14:02<TinoDidriksen>Virtual framebuffer. Useful for running apps that require X but don't want to run a full X.
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14:02<EoD>no x-server on a server! Please!
14:02<Prof_Frink>But it says "server" in it!
14:02<TinoDidriksen>OpenOffice used to require X, so Xvfb was the only way to daemonize it. Now it has -headless, though.
14:03<@petern>running openoffice on a server seem pretty specialised, heh
14:03<TinoDidriksen>Indeed...converting between formats.
14:03<EoD>What kind of server are we talking about?
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14:05<EoD>My server runs apache, bind, aiccu, dhcp,samba and such things...
14:05<TrueBrain>EoD: bad bad bad choice of software (most of them)
14:05<EoD>I forgot radvd
14:06<EoD>TrueBrain: What do you prefer? ;)
14:06<TinoDidriksen>Apache + mpm_itk = Mmmm goodness...
14:07<TinoDidriksen>Can lighttpd run each vhost as a seperate user ?
14:07<jonty-comp>I dunno, I've never tried
14:07<jonty-comp>quite possibly
14:07<TrueBrain>EoD: in ordeR: lighttpd, powerdns, don'tknowthissoftware, static, NFS
14:07<TinoDidriksen>aiccu is ipv6
14:08<EoD>i'm using NFS, too... But there are windows-users around, that's why i have to use samba (for printing and filesharing)
14:08<TrueBrain>anyway, 'dhcp' is not software :p
14:08<TrueBrain>udhcp or dhcpd are on the other hand ... ;) :p
14:09<EoD>dhcpd is just fine
14:10<@petern>pom te pom
14:10<jonty-comp>tom pe tom
14:10*petern ponders allocating a /64 for each customer box
14:11<@petern>well, each separate customer
14:11<jonty-comp>each computer on the network
14:14<frosch123>there should be a /96 for every current ipv4 user
14:14<TrueBrain>isn't there? :p
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14:22<Muxy>Hi openttd world !
14:23<Muxy>i have a segmentation error when restarting a server with a rcon. Can someone else confirm this ?
14:23<EoD>which version?
14:23<Muxy>last stable 0.
14:24<Muxy>i did not check vcs about that
14:24<Muxy>for updates
14:25<Muxy>with a restart from console it works, and from a client with rcon, it crashes
14:29<EoD>it doesn't crash on my server
14:30<Muxy>restart with a client issuing a rcon restart ?
14:30<Muxy>hum strange
14:30<Muxy>ok, i start a debug session...
14:42<@petern>a newgame with clients connected breaks the server
14:42<@petern>so you need to restart it
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14:43<@petern>unless that was fixed
14:43<@petern>i dunno
14:48<TrueBrain>you should!!
14:49<TrueBrain>I don't relal yknow why, but I felt like saying that
14:50<TrueBrain>Guys - do your women always want more and more sex from you? If not -
14:50<TrueBrain>you could be in trouble
14:50<TrueBrain>I hate spam ...
14:53<Muxy>ah, ok
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15:41<Black-men>Who from you understands on Russki?
15:42<EoD>hi blackmen
15:42<Black-men>EoD hi
15:43<Black-men>you in germani?
15:44<EoD>i'm from germany, yeah
15:44<EoD>do you have already utf8?
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15:45<Black-men>Where to get?
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15:47<EoD>firefox and for example
15:50<TrueBrain>bah, FireFox is giving me all kinds of #text nodes inside XML data .. no idea where it comes from :(
15:50<frosch123>is that an abbreviation of спасиба (spelling - no idea) ?
15:50<TrueBrain>and google doesn't like searching for #text :(
15:51<+glx>frosch123: spelling is ok
15:51<EoD>again reboot
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15:54<Black-men2>043a0442043e 043d04380442044c 043f043e043d0438043c043004350442 043f043e 0440044304410441043a0438?
15:55<TrueBrain>besides, this is an ENGLISH speaking channel .. little room for UTF-8 talk
15:55<Black-men2>04420443043f043e0439 0430043b045104480430!!!
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15:55<TrueBrain>at least the ! and ? work :p
15:55<TrueBrain>oh, spaces too :)
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15:58<Forked>wth was that
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15:59<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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16:00*petern configures ipv6 loopback addresses
16:01<TrueBrain>petern is all into IPv6 :)
16:01<TrueBrain>I hope LeaseWeb grants us the IPv6 soon too ...
16:03<Prof_Frink>Stop wasting IPv6s! There's only... lots left!
16:04<frosch123>indeed, fear the aliens, if we cannot give them a /127 adress space
16:04<TrueBrain>you want to give aliens 4 IPs?
16:05<TrueBrain>you don't expect too many of them, do you? :p
16:05<Prof_Frink>TrueBrain: If they only have 4 IPs they'll have trouble setting up a network for their invasion fleet.
16:05<Prof_Frink>Cunning, see?
16:05<TrueBrain>ghehe :)
16:06<frosch123>4? then I did not understood that / stuff
16:06<TrueBrain>I guess you want to give them a /1 ...
16:06<TrueBrain>I think that is no longer possible :p
16:06<TrueBrain>by design in fact ...
16:06<Prof_Frink>Bigger number => fewer IPs
16:06<frosch123>though I did not expect anything else
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16:06<TrueBrain>frosch123: it is the amount of bits from the left side that are FIXED
16:06<TrueBrain>so /32 are the first 32 bits fixed
16:07<TrueBrain>in IPv4 it is easier to see: /24 means first 24 bits, is first 3 bytes, is in A.B.C.D the A.B.C .. so the D is only free to be set by you
16:07<TrueBrain>so with /127 you leave the last bit 'free to change' .. so only 2 IPs even :p
16:07<frosch123>so if everyone gets a /32, nothing is won
16:08<Forked>like the oh so commonly used /31 in ipv4-world
16:08<TrueBrain>in IPv4 world, you always get a /32 (in worst case :p)
16:08<Forked>or is /127 actually usable for point to point links? :p
16:08<TrueBrain>every IP is a /32 :p
16:08<TrueBrain>but if you get a /64 in IPv6 ... you can put all IPv4 in there, and do that 2^32 times :p
16:08<@petern>frosch123, loads is one
16:08<Nite_Owl>The Aliens in the movie Independence Day never developed the concept of Anti-virus software?
16:08<@petern>er, won
16:08<TrueBrain>(which should be .. well .. sufficient :))
16:09<TrueBrain>Nite_Owl: why would they? :p
16:09<@petern>whole ISPs can be run off a /32 rather than... just a single host
16:09<@petern>end users don't get /32s
16:09<TrueBrain>end users normally get /64 .. which leaves 2^32 customers per ISP :p
16:09<TrueBrain>I don't know .... if we had 1 ISP for the whole world, there would be IPs left over :p
16:09<Prof_Frink>But I have 5 billion computers!
16:10<Forked>Prof_Frink: shit. you might have to start routing then =p
16:10<TrueBrain>with a 'normal' IPv6 range you can give every IPv4 a whole IPv4 range :p
16:10<@petern>Prof_Frink only needs a /95 !
16:10<TrueBrain>(just to make my point here :p)
16:10<Forked>well with washing machines soon being online (to be haxxored) ..
16:10<Nite_Owl>because they are a violent species that is usually under attack or is attacking
16:10<TrueBrain>@calc pow(2, 32)
16:10<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 4294967296
16:11*Prof_Frink gives every byte of ram its own IP address
16:11<TrueBrain>Forked: lucky, IPv6 is auto-routed :p (well, it has that capability :p)
16:11<TrueBrain>Prof_Frink: useful, for remote storage :p
16:11<Forked>TrueBrain: huh
16:12<Forked>and here I was imagining manually setting an IP on a windows box.. "let's see subnet mask.. ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffe0::
16:13<TrueBrain>@base 16 2 e0
16:13<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 11100000
16:13<TrueBrain>so /123 :p
16:13<TrueBrain>no ... euh ...
16:13<TrueBrain>so /115 :p
16:13<@petern>"CIDR" notation is always used with IPv6
16:14*TrueBrain loves CIDR :)
16:14<Prof_Frink>West country?
16:14<TrueBrain>I always wondered what happens when you would ave a netmask of
16:14<TrueBrain>but it never allows me to configure that :(
16:15<Prof_Frink>TrueBrain: You should come to the Square and Compass.
16:15<Prof_Frink>It has lots of CIDRs.
16:15<TrueBrain>for now I am trying to understand why this XML DOM gives me tons of #text :(
16:15<@petern>heh, ssl hosting will be so much easier
16:15<TrueBrain>it is ANNOYING :(
16:15<TrueBrain>petern: ghehe :)
16:16<@petern>rather than worrying about allocating a range with enough IPs...
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16:18<@petern>hmm, i guess i need to convince the powers that be to slowly upgrade routers
16:18<@petern>cos really a 2500 or a 4500 is a bit shit
16:18<TrueBrain>why oh why does firefox fuck this up :(
16:19<TrueBrain>poor petern :)
16:20<@petern>i'd guess 2801s would do fine
16:21<Forked>TrueBrain: doesn't make sense :\
16:22<TrueBrain>Forked: no shit :p
16:22<@petern>that was somewhat the point
16:22<Forked> though
16:22<TrueBrain>makes even less sense
16:22<Forked>depends on what it is
16:22<@petern>OS Provided Cisco IOS
16:22<TrueBrain>we talk about netmask my friend
16:22<@petern>OS Required Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition
16:22<@petern>makes... no sense...
16:23<TrueBrain>lol @ petern
16:23<@petern>cisco use reversed masks in acls
16:23<@petern>so is valid
16:23<Forked>I forgot what they are called :\
16:23<TrueBrain>that is an othe rkind of mask ;)
16:23<Forked>wildcard it is
16:24*Forked looked at his ccnp notes
16:25<TrueBrain>I wish someone would sponsor me to get ccie :p
16:25<TrueBrain>ghehehehe :)
16:25<TrueBrain>oh .. I guess ccna would even do :p
16:25<Forked>thats the one where you (if in europe) go to brüssels or something to take somewhat extensive test?
16:25<Forked>ccna == the one that gets the coffee
16:26<TrueBrain>a few days ;)
16:26<TrueBrain>Forked: yup .. still expensive :)
16:26<Forked>I think my ccna is no longer valid.. I remember the test had quite alot of frame-relay, isdn and so on in it :\
16:27<Forked>so it's outdated anyway :p
16:30<TrueBrain>okay .. I need to write my own XMLRPC javascript ... I can only find ones that are too out-dated, so it seems :(
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16:31<@petern>TrueBrain, could i interest you in some AUI transceivers?
16:32<Forked>mmm 10Mbit
16:32<TrueBrain>petern: no thank you :)
16:32<TrueBrain>why do you have them?! :p
16:32<TrueBrain>-T makes that pretty obsolete, is it not? :)
16:33<Forked>MTU 1500 bytes, BW 5000000 Kbit, DLY 10 usec,
16:34<Forked>Members in this channel: Gi3/1 Gi3/2 Gi3/3 Gi4/1 Gi4/2
16:34<Forked>would be nice.. to run ipv6 on
16:34<Forked> .. computer party in Norway, they are rigging up the core stuff now :p
16:35<TrueBrain>the only change you might want to do is make the MTU 1480 .. kind of the 'default' for IPv6 transmission :p
16:36<TrueBrain> <- hehe
16:37<Forked>it will be more interesting on wednesday night
16:38<TrueBrain># I see a red door
16:39<TrueBrain>(I hate people for saying something but not explaining .. like a comment floating in the air .. grr @ Forked :p)
16:39<Nite_Owl>and I want to paint it black
16:40<mizipzor>adding more engines to a vehicle makes it stronger?
16:40<mizipzor>(same topspeed but better acceleration)
16:41<TrueBrain>2 engines are twice as deadly as one
16:41<Nite_Owl>more Horsepower and more traction
16:41<TrueBrain>well .. one is already deadly
16:41<TrueBrain>but .. two is even more deadly
16:43<Nite_Owl>sort of like a mutant snake
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16:44<@petern>vtp always gets me
16:44*TrueBrain gniffels
16:45<@petern>switched my server to its own vlan
16:45<TrueBrain>already been in London?
16:45<@petern>cept the vtp master appears to be, not the supervisor iv, but the 2950...
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16:45<@petern>not yet
16:45<@petern>soon i hope
16:45<@petern>so i set up the vlan on the sup iv
16:46<@petern>but then i had to mess around trying to remember the details for the 2950 :/
16:46<@petern>stupid vtp
16:56<+glx>TrueBrain: <-- that's why I can have IPv6 ;)
16:59<TrueBrain>glx: smart :) I don't see why all ISP don't do this ..
16:59<+glx>it's pseudo-native ;)
17:00<TrueBrain>it is good enough till hardware is replaced
17:00<TrueBrain>well .. assuming the ISP has a IPv6 native connectivity at some point :)
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17:01<TrueBrain>Also, while IPv6 availability was in december 2007
17:01<TrueBrain> limited to only one IPv6 link per customer site (/64 site prefixes),
17:01<TrueBrain> it was upgraded to up to 16 IPv6 links per customer site (/60 site
17:01<TrueBrain> prefixes) when, a few months later, Free obtained a /28 prefix from
17:01<TrueBrain> its regional Internet registry. (The /32 obtained initially was the
17:01<TrueBrain> default value an ISP could be assigned without delay).
17:01<TrueBrain>ghehe :)
17:01<TrueBrain>16 IPv6s links ... how useful ? :p
17:02<+glx>for silly people wanting many subnets?
17:02<TrueBrain>just why not enable it by default .... people don't understand such things :(
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17:03<@petern>it's pretty dumb
17:03<TrueBrain>so this RFC makes it sound like this ISP was oh so good ... they should just have enabled IPv6 by default
17:03<TrueBrain>there is no harm in doing so
17:03<@petern>a /64 still allows subnetting, it just requires a little more knowledge setting it up
17:04<@petern>which, if you have multiple subnets, you have anyway
17:04<TrueBrain>petern: the idea of /64 is that you can use your MAC address as last 64 bits
17:04<TrueBrain>so having /60, allows you to still use that feature
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17:04<+glx>so /60 allows you to have medion stuff ?
17:04<TrueBrain>no, not in that way :)
17:05<@petern>yes, but it's not actually necessary
17:05<TrueBrain>glx: medion is easy solved: change hte mac yourself, or better: use static IPv6s :p
17:05<TrueBrain>no, the latter is not better ...
17:05<TrueBrain>we just keep the first :)
17:06<TrueBrain>glx: else you need to put every medion system on a different subnet .. sounds rather pointless :p
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17:10<@petern>static is more work
17:10<TrueBrain>painful work, I guess
17:10<@petern>but... necessary for vhosts
17:14*Belugas runs home
17:14<TrueBrain>night Belugas
17:14<TrueBrain>for a moment I read: booops
17:14<TrueBrain>but okay :p
17:17<Forked>all over the internet I guess
17:17<Nite_Owl>later Belugas
17:17<Prof_Frink>Forked: Well, you know what they say.
17:18<Prof_Frink>The internet *is* for porn.
17:19<Ammler>ah, sorry
17:19<Forked>I ran out of internet to surf on.. and now I'm bored
17:19<TrueBrain>@kick Ammler you still getting the kick, even so glx doesn't do it :p
17:19-!-Ammler was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [you still getting the kick, even so glx doesn't do it :p]
17:20<+glx>let me update :)
17:20<pavel1269>why is MSVS not generating .lng files propertly? .... as soon as i add some patch with some strings, not all are correct, dont know if they are compiled wrong, or it does simply dont compile them again => some languages not aviable ingame ... ideas?
17:20<+glx>I think DorpsGek should do it by itself
17:20<TrueBrain>glx: maybe some day :)
17:20<TrueBrain>I first have other projects to finish :)
17:21<+glx>it's in your supybot dir?
17:21<TrueBrain>what is?
17:22<+glx>I can take a look at it to see how to implement that :)
17:22<TrueBrain>as it only listens to @ commands
17:22<TrueBrain>and ignores ALL OTHERS
17:22<TrueBrain>but I have this plan to replace DorpsGek altogether
17:23<Prof_Frink>What about !password?
17:23<+glx>there should be a way (there's always one)
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17:27<@petern>i just press ctrl-alt-backspace accidentally :(
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17:28<TrueBrain>I guess Darkvater tried it too :p
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17:29<TrueBrain>poor Darkvater
17:29<@petern>ah, fudging with /etc/sysctl.conf to disable ipv6 ra
17:29<Prof_Frink>petern: YOu'll be pleased to know that Jaunty will have DontZap by default
17:29<@petern>it's useful sometimes though
17:29<TrueBrain>Prof_Frink: how would that be a good thing?
17:29<Prof_Frink>X needs an OnlyZapWhenIReallyMeanIt option
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17:30<@petern>TrueBrain, it's good because i don't use ubuntu
17:30<Prof_Frink>TrueBrain: They've removed all bugs in X.
17:30<TrueBrain>Prof_Frink: is alt+Ctrl+backspace a BUG?!
17:30<Prof_Frink>TrueBrain: No, but as X has no bugs and never crashes, you don't need it any more.
17:31<Prof_Frink>Simple, really.
17:31<TrueBrain>I rarely need it because X is acting up :p
17:31<TrueBrain>more like a giant BOSS key :p
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17:31<TrueBrain>how to get the classname in javascript .. hmm ..
17:32<@petern>hmm, vserver does not support ipv6? that's a bummer :p
17:32<TrueBrain>petern: 2.3 does
17:32<TrueBrain>very well in fact
17:32<TrueBrain>( ;))
17:32<@petern>how do i know what i'm using? :o
17:32<TrueBrain>uname -a
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17:33<@petern>Linux games 2.6.26-1-vserver-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 21:04:35 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
17:33<TrueBrain>oh, lovely! :p
17:34<TrueBrain>anyway, petern, assuming you use lenny vserver kernel, it is IPv6 ready
17:34<TrueBrain>(as that is what openttd runs :p)
17:34<@petern>i do
17:35<TrueBrain>vserver-info | grep VS-API
17:35<@petern>At the time of this writing, IPv6 support in guests requires you to apply an additional patch on top of the Linux-VServer patch.
17:35<TrueBrain>with 2.3 not true :)
17:35<TrueBrain>but it is VERY poorly documented
17:36<TrueBrain>the only restriction: util-vserver 215 or higher
17:36<@petern>so what do i do? :(
17:36<TrueBrain>it works :)
17:36<TrueBrain>as I say: has it
17:36<TrueBrain>so ... if you use the same kernel .. it works for you :)
17:36<TrueBrain>just assign it like a IPv4 :p
17:36<TrueBrain>that much sounds obvious :)
17:36<TrueBrain>just not a 'mask' file but a 'prefix' file
17:37<@petern>and prefix
17:37<TrueBrain>interfaces# cat 2/*
17:37<TrueBrain># ls -1 2/
17:37<TrueBrain>ignore the 'nodev'
17:37<TrueBrain>I have to say, didn't try it yet via 'vserver start/stop'
17:38<TrueBrain>as .. that would mean .. shutting down openttd-web .. which means no web :p
17:38<TrueBrain>I used naddress --add --ip <ipv6> --nid <vserver-id>
17:38<TrueBrain>to add it (after adding it to the interface myself)
17:39<@petern>it is not clear that i needed to add another interfaces/x entry
17:39<TrueBrain>as I say: the same as IPv4 ....
17:39<TrueBrain>there you add a new entry for each new IP too ...
17:39<TrueBrain>that much sounded obvious :p
17:40<TrueBrain>regexp expert needed: text: 'function Array() { blabla }
17:40<@petern>not obvious
17:40<TrueBrain>I need a regexp that keeps 'Array'
17:41<TrueBrain>petern: each new IP needs it own dir :p That also means... if you want a /64 for a vserver, you need .... well ... a lot of dirs :p
17:41<TrueBrain>they are 'working' on that ......
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17:44<TrueBrain>ah, \(
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17:45<@petern>hmm, wonder if i did my delegation right :o
17:47<@petern>oh, seems to
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17:51<+glx>TrueBrain: you're right, it's very very hard to make DorpsGek handle !commands
17:52<TrueBrain>it was not that I hadn't looked ;)
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17:53<+glx>but it's always better to check by itself ;)
17:53<TrueBrain> ;)
17:53<TrueBrain>javascript infinite loop! WHOHO!
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17:54<+glx>kill firefox :)
17:54<@petern>$ traceroute6
17:54<@petern>traceroute to (2001:1af8:fe00:f2::2), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 2a02:cb0:3:3::1 (2a02:cb0:3:3::1) 1.683 ms !N 1.898 ms !N 2.044 ms !N
17:54<TrueBrain>!N ?
17:54<@petern>no route
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17:54<@petern>because there's no route
17:54<@petern>od that
17:54<TrueBrain>ghehehe :)
17:55<TrueBrain>slowly, my XMLRPC routine is getting there
17:56<@petern>i cheated and totally ignored the XMLRPC bit of 'ajax'
17:56*glx enabled ipv6 (need to reboot the box, will do tomorrow)
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17:56<TrueBrain>petern: euh ... how do you do that async? :p
17:57<TrueBrain>well, you can just send data without using XML, yeah :p
17:57<+glx>box aka freebox aka modem
17:57<TrueBrain>but I need to send over structs and arrays ;)
17:57<TrueBrain>glx: do it before you switch your computer on ;)
17:57<+glx>yes :)
17:57<+glx>that's the plan
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18:18<@orudge>welshdragon: @calc
18:18<welshdragon>@calc 1*1
18:18<@DorpsGek>welshdragon: 1
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18:44<TrueBrain>okay, the basics work, but somehow it runs the XML tree one too many times ... need to find out why :p
18:44<TrueBrain>night all!
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19:40<@Belugas>that was NOT nice
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19:41<@Belugas>a problem resulting on a third party giving me a new version of a library, forgetting to mention a crucial change
19:41<@Belugas>the parameter that was previously a pointer to a result structure now points to an input buffer!
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19:41<@Belugas>and of course, the format of that input bufer should not be divulgated either :S
19:43<@petern>not useful :/
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19:53<@Belugas>no indeed. but a call to the head programmer changed the situation right away.
19:54<@Belugas>lucky for me, when Adam (Head prog) last came in Montreal, I got him on a bar during lunch break and we got quite drunk
19:54<@Belugas>so... somebody goet yelled at big time
19:55<@Belugas>and now... TV time
20:05<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r15965 /trunk/src/ (lang/czech.txt strgen/strgen.cpp strings.cpp): -Change: use recent Czech language for plural form (it has been official for years anyway)
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21:20<jcranmer>so I'm trying to install the OpenGFX for OpenTTD
21:20<jcranmer>I've got the Debian version of openttd
21:20<jcranmer>which is 0.6.3
21:21<jcranmer>I got the OpenGFX tar and dumped it in /usr/shar/games/openttd/data
21:22<jcranmer>but trying to run iopenttd complains about not finding the files
21:23<jcranmer>trying the config or cmdline as given in readme doesn't work
21:23<jcranmer>yet searching SVN implies that 0.6.3 is at least nightly r14527...
21:23<jcranmer>what's wrong?
21:24<+glx>use 0.7.0
21:24<jcranmer>whee, another time to get custom-compiled stuff
21:24*jcranmer puts it on his todo-after-supper
21:24<+glx>and 0.6.3 is way older than r14527
21:26<+glx> <-- there you can get the debian package
21:26<+glx>for 0.7.0
21:26<+glx>no need to compile :)
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22:03<jcranmer>but I need to put it in my debs dir
22:03<jcranmer>to get apt to shut up about it
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22:04*jcranmer pauses
22:04<jcranmer>lenny is the new stable
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22:06<Sacro>jcranmer: we use branches, you cannot compare svn versions like that
22:06<Sacro>also you don't use apt, you use dpkg
22:07*jcranmer puts into his whatchamacallit
22:07<jcranmer>my local debian file distribution
22:08<jcranmer>I know I could just do dpkg -i
22:08<jcranmer>but I'd rather not
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