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---Logopened Sat Apr 11 00:00:51 2009
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03:03<Alberth>good morning all
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05:13<mizipzor>why is it that when built, the exe ends up under objs rather than bin?
05:33<@Rubidium>cause nobody with real knowledge of MSVC ever bothered 'fixing' that
05:41<taisteluorava>hm, is 3500 horsepower and 564 kN enought to pull 31 wagons?
05:42<taisteluorava>now i have 6,600hp and 614kN which does nice with 31 wagon, but i need to upgrade them to train's, which are faster, but they have a less power
05:47<mizipzor>Rubidium: if you consider it something that should be fixed, i would be happy to help
05:48<Alberth>taisteluorava: throw in an additional loc
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06:09*TrueBrain waves a good morning to all of you
06:09<TrueBrain>just to make Rubidium frustrated abuot timezones ;)
06:10<Alberth>good morning TrueBrain (although living in the same time zone as Rubidium)
06:11<mizipzor>here its so early im not yet quite sure where i live
06:14<welshdragon>morning all
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06:15<@petern>taisteluorava, "31 wagons" means nothing, but maybe learn about physics?
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06:32<@petern>heh
06:32<@petern>why does the news window include a variable with the word 'chat' in it? :o
06:38<CIA-9>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r16026 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use font height for chat line spacing instead of fixed value.
06:40<Azrael->oh man
06:40<Azrael->I just figured out how to blockade somebody's road vehicles
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06:44<mizipzor>what function is it that spawns industries?
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06:45<mizipzor>the one used when a new industry is randomly spawned, prospected or manually built
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07:10<@Rubidium>petern: was that a rhetorical question or do you really want to know ;)
07:10<TrueBrain>Rubidium: well .. now I do want to know! :p
07:11<taisteluorava>are those company autoclean number's in minutes?
07:12<@petern>no
07:12<taisteluorava>gameyears?
07:12<@petern>they're in months
07:12<taisteluorava>ok
07:12<@petern>game months, obviously
07:12<taisteluorava>yeah ^^
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07:31<Aprogas>I need a volunteer to host a 0.7.0 server to see if I can crash it as a client. I am able to crash my own server but I want to know if it works remotely or locally.
07:32<Gekz>j
07:33<taisteluorava>what does a setting called "reload_cfg"
07:38<taisteluorava>found answer from forum
07:40<Ammler>taisteluorava: wiki is also helpful
07:41<TrueBrain>Aprogas: if you tell us how you do so, we most likely can also tell you if it can be done remotely ;)
07:41<taisteluorava>i checked it first, but there was not about it in wiki
07:41<Ammler>well, then there is now :P
07:42<Aprogas>TrueBrain: I don't want to publicly say how it is done in case it really works.
07:43<TrueBrain>Aprogas: open a bug on the bugtracker, and we make it private :)
07:43<TrueBrain>but one crash-server is coming up :p
07:43<Aprogas>I first need to test how exactly it occurs before I can describe the bug.
07:43<Aprogas>So I can describe how to reproduce it.
07:45<TrueBrain>@openttd ports
07:45<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound)
07:47<Ammler>you can kill mz.openttdcoop.org:3980, if you want
07:47<TrueBrain>Rubidium: killing OpenTTD with CTRL+C (what I normally do) gives me:
07:47<TrueBrain>^CUsage:program_name [address][:port]
07:48<TrueBrain>bah, you can't SSH tunnel a server ...
07:48<TrueBrain>Aprogas: ./openttd -n secure.openttd.org:4001
07:48<TrueBrain>feel free :p
07:49<Aprogas>Ammler: Did it crash?
07:49<Ammler>no
07:49<TrueBrain>Rubidium: quiting the game in general produces that :p (0.7.0 btw)
07:50<Aprogas>Though, I just realised what I was doing, it's not a bug at all.
07:51<Aprogas>TrueBrain: Seems to be a different revision, but I think I don't need testing anymore.
07:52<TrueBrain>Aprogas: 'wrong revision'
07:52<TrueBrain>Aprogas: possible I compiled the wrong thing :p
07:53<Aprogas>I was trying to insert a non-printable ASCII character in a sign to beat space and exclaim in the sign list sorting, I happened to pick the bell character which is created by pressing Ctrl+G, which happens to be the huge screenshot hotkey.
07:54<Aprogas>Since the process effectively froze and my players reported over Skype the server was non-responsive, I had assumed it was a general crash, rather than just doing something complex.
07:54<TrueBrain>... can I laugh out loud now? :p
07:54<Aprogas>Yes.
07:54<Aprogas>I am still curious to try if I can insert non-printable chars in a sign name though, so I guess I'll play a bit more with that locally.
07:55<@Rubidium>hmm... now Gentoo is going to issue a GLSA because you can get an OpenTTD server into an (almost) infinite loop with just a simple keystroke?
07:55<TrueBrain>Rubidium: Gentoo won't bother .. nos ure about Debian though :p
07:55<TrueBrain>Rubidium: you have any idea where above string can come from? (how ever I quit OpenTTD, even trunk, it shows me that :p)
07:56<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: but Gentoo has the tendency to make wrong GLSA reports for OpenTTD
07:56<TrueBrain>Rubidium: so far I only saw GLSAs in reply to VCEs
07:57<TrueBrain>oh, the 'usage' line comes from esd ...
07:57<@Rubidium>yeah, but what the GLSA says isn't said in the VCE
07:58<@petern>esd... hahaha
07:58<@Rubidium>"before 0.6.2" / "0.6.1 and earlier" != "before 0.6.3"
08:00<@Rubidium>Aprogas: did you know that via OpenTTD's 'rcon' you can make a huge screenshot too and make the server unresponsive? Though that 'vulnerability' if you may call it that is the same that an authorised user may shut down a computer via a remote administration interface
08:02<Aprogas>Isn't the screenshot created locally after the client has received the map information from the server?
08:03<@Rubidium>'rcon' is a remote server administration 'tool'
08:03<@petern>^G in a string in the game should not do anything with screenshots
08:03<Aprogas>Ah, I see.
08:04<Aprogas>petern: I was trying to enter a bell character in a sign name and hence pressed Ctrl+G myself.
08:04<Aprogas>And just like pressing e.g. tab when entering a sign name, that just behaves as the configured hotkey for e.g. fast forward.
08:04<@Rubidium>the input rejects 'unprintable' characters
08:05<Aprogas>That indeed seems to be the case.
08:06<@Rubidium>so the only way to 'enter' them is by making a modified binary that ignores that 'reject', making a savegame with unprintable characters and letting the server host that savegame
08:07<@Rubidium>but then you still can't enter unprintable characters remotely
08:07<TrueBrain>Rubidium: can't making a screenshot be put in a seperate thread? :p
08:08<TrueBrain>the png compression mostly
08:08<@Rubidium>not really, because the compression isn't the really time taking part
08:08<@petern>it is
08:09<Aprogas>Maybe just display a message in-game just before the really time taking part.
08:09<TrueBrain>Rubidium: it is :)
08:09<@Rubidium>especially because uncompressed the thing becomes several GBs
08:09<@Rubidium>and thus it goes into trashing and such
08:09<@petern>but yeah, that's a problem :)
08:09<TrueBrain>png compression is so damn slow :(
08:09<@petern>isn't it... zlib?
08:09<@Rubidium>yeah, it's zlib
08:10<@petern>let's just remove giant screenshot :D
08:10<@petern>it's useless anyway...
08:10<TrueBrain>petern: for 2kx2k .. yes :p
08:10<@Rubidium>and most systems can't handle 4+ GB screenschots ;)
08:10<Aprogas>I like giant screenshot, but perhaps hide it just a bit deeper than Ctrl+G
08:10<TrueBrain>yeah .. lets hide it completely
08:10<TrueBrain>:p
08:11<Aprogas>Like Ctrl+Alt+G, plus a message right after pressing that it might take a while.
08:11<TrueBrain>"You are about to kick all your clients of your server; are you sure?"
08:12*petern ponders going to telehouse today
08:12<TrueBrain>did you switch that darn server to a 100 mbit by now?
08:12<TrueBrain>:p :p
08:12<@petern>it's on 100mbit
08:12<@petern>to the switch
08:12<TrueBrain>but cut to .. what was it .. 4mbit? :p
08:12<@petern>2 * 2
08:12<@petern>:D
08:12<Aprogas>"Making a huge screenshot takes very long. Do you want to cancel?" "Yes / No / Cancel"
08:12<TrueBrain>yes / no / cancel
08:12<TrueBrain>explain me that?
08:12<TrueBrain>yes I want to cancel
08:13<TrueBrain>no I want to cancel
08:13<TrueBrain>cancel I want to cancel
08:13<TrueBrain>lol
08:13<@petern>haha
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08:13<@petern>anyway
08:13<@petern>hence
08:13*petern ponders going to telehouse today
08:13<TrueBrain>go go go go go :p
08:13<Aprogas>It's just the default windows yes prompt.
08:13<TrueBrain>so we should use that .. sounds reasonable :p
08:14<TrueBrain>Windows is perfectly capable of only showing yes / no ;)
08:14<TrueBrain>btw, asking if you want to cancel is a question which is dangarous :) Asking if you want to continue makes more sense ;) :p
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08:16<TrueBrain>morning glx :) How is your makedepend going?
08:16<Aprogas>You could be like WinZip trial version, randomly swapping the agree and cancel buttons for the free trial license popup.
08:16<taisteluorava>-[1921-2021]- 24/7 dedicated server. ))-Very hard-(( Test your skills.2cc/NOAIR heh, pretty hard server, Modified building cost and HIGH train running cost make's it pretty hard
08:16<+glx>hello
08:16<+glx>TrueBrain: indeed I forgot to patch my makedepend ;)
08:17<TrueBrain>glx: no, you said you were going to make a small app, remember? :p
08:17<TrueBrain>taisteluorava: tnx for that advertise; now never do that again
08:17<+glx>it's not fully done yet
08:17<taisteluorava>TrueBrain, ok
08:19<@petern>also
08:19<@petern>"make's" ?
08:19<TrueBrain>I just imagine this channel being ran over by advertises of servers ... would be annoying :)
08:19<@petern>not when we blacklist the persistent offenders from the server list
08:20<TrueBrain>hmm ... that sounds like an idea :)
08:20<Cybertinus>heh
08:21<Cybertinus>taking a Giant Screenshot of a 2kx2k land takes a long time indeed :)
08:21<+glx>TrueBrain: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/current_output.txt <-- for now that's what I get
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08:21<+glx>Cybertinus: and you will probably not be able to open it:)
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08:22<TrueBrain>glx: it just needs a sed of s@^src@objs/debug@g;s/.cpp:/.o:/g ;)
08:22<TrueBrain>but it looks sane :)
08:22<TrueBrain>glx: how fast is it? :p
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08:22<@petern>hmmw
08:22<@petern>you know
08:22<@petern>i thik i put a switch in telehouse
08:23<@petern>that i've totally forgotten about
08:23<@petern>*think
08:23<TrueBrain>glx: oh, I just noticed you need to remove 'src/' completely :p ;)
08:23<TrueBrain>3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqapi.o: /prog/openttd/trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqfuncstate.h <- valid line
08:23<+glx>it uses less than 500ms
08:23<TrueBrain>petern: how can you forget about that? :)
08:23<TrueBrain>glx: nice :)
08:23<Cybertinus>FloSoft: where should my screenshot be saved, so I can check if I can open it ;)
08:23<@petern>well
08:24<@petern>dunno
08:24<Cybertinus>glx: sry, I meaned to highlight you ;). Where is my screenshot saved?
08:24<+glx>mydocs\openttd
08:24-!-kingj is now known as KingJ
08:25<Cybertinus>glx: I'm on LInux ;). But then it is ~/.openttd or something?
08:25<KenjiE20>isn't it "<current openttd.cfg dir>\screenshots\"?
08:25<TrueBrain>glx: this is one-deep?
08:25<+glx>TrueBrain: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/ottd_depend.cpp
08:25<+glx>(a little ugly)
08:26<@petern>it's possible i only thought i did
08:26<TrueBrain>as you did pick up on the comment we can't have .h files in the depend tree on the left side?
08:26<TrueBrain>petern: lol :) For what you need the switch? :p
08:26<@petern>for connection between two racks
08:26<+glx>TrueBrain: it doesn't handle that yet :)
08:26<@petern>between A2 and F19
08:27<@petern>by their names you might guess they're quite far apart
08:27<TrueBrain>glx: just checking if you also read that ;)
08:27<+glx>for now it just scans a dir recursively
08:28<TrueBrain>I guess that is fine, although some files are never used for some targets .. but that shouldn't be a real problem :)
08:29<+glx>I guess it can have them as arg (like makedepend)
08:29<TrueBrain>minor details for later :)
08:30*TrueBrain likes that WT3 works on my iPhone .. ghehe :)
08:30<+glx>nice
08:30<+glx>s/my/his/ ;)
08:30<+glx>grammar changes wth /me
08:30<@Rubidium>glx: what if #include is split on a 2048 byte boundary?
08:31<TrueBrain>glx: it is still my iPhone :p
08:31<@Rubidium>hmm, oh fgets reads a line ;)
08:32<TrueBrain>Rubidium: you just shouldn't put #include after 2048 whitespaces :p
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08:34<EoD>hi
08:38<TrueBrain>oh, him again
08:38<TrueBrain>:p
08:38<@Rubidium>why does the discussion always end when he enters?
08:38<@petern>EoD... End of Discussion...
08:38<EoD>:-D
08:39<TrueBrain>sounds reasonable
08:39<EoD>yeah, i'm sorry.
08:39<TrueBrain>and you should!
08:40<TrueBrain>petern: I btw still don't get how you manage to get 2 * 2 on a rack :p
08:41<EoD>TrueBrain: btw: if you copy the iptraf file from your gentoo (ipv6) machine to your debian machine, you get ipv6 stats on debian :)
08:41<TrueBrain>EoD: hehe :) Sadly enough, iptraf is a moment-monitor ..
08:41<TrueBrain>but I guess I could just install a few iptables rules to show exactly how much bandwidth goes over IPv4 and IPv6
08:42<EoD>i thought about your router and the ipv6 problems. Moment-monitor is just fine there imho
08:42<TrueBrain>true :)
08:43<TrueBrain>IPv4 hits: 694692 hits
08:43<TrueBrain>IPv6 hits: 11644 hits
08:43<TrueBrain>IPv6 ratio: 1.6485 %
08:43<TrueBrain>IPv4 uniq: 8003 IPs
08:43<TrueBrain>IPv6 uniq: 80 IPs
08:43<TrueBrain>IPv6 ratio: 0.9897 %
08:43<TrueBrain>https stats
08:43*SpComb generates a million unique IPv6 hits for TrueBrain
08:44<TrueBrain>s/https/httpd/
08:44<+glx>TrueBrain: I'm bad for your stats (my IPv6 changes on every boot)
08:44<TrueBrain>24 hour stats btw
08:44<TrueBrain>glx: like you reboot that often :p
08:44<+glx>though I have 2 IPv6, the dynamic one and a static based on MAC
08:46<De_Ghosty>!password
08:46<De_Ghosty>oops
08:46<De_Ghosty>wasn't thinking
08:46<TrueBrain>glx ... what is wrong with your scripts :(
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08:46<+glx>@whoami
08:46<@DorpsGek>glx: I don't recognize you.
08:46<+glx>fuck
08:47<TrueBrain>now he is getting away with it! :(
08:50<+glx>I wonder how it managed to recognise me before (I always used a wrong hostmask)
08:50<TrueBrain>with username / password it is always okay
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08:51<Wolf01>hello
08:57<@petern>TrueBrain, 2 * 2 on a rack? huh?
08:58<TrueBrain>petern: you siad the server has a 100 mbit, but that it can only use 2 * 2, right?
08:58<TrueBrain>so I wonder why ;)
08:58<@petern>let's see
08:58<@petern>server -> switch -> routers -> 2 leased lines -> routers -> routers -> internet
08:59<TrueBrain>ah ;)
08:59<TrueBrain>got to go .. DC visit
08:59<TrueBrain>bye all :)
09:00<@orudge>ah, damn, was just going to speak to you TrueBrain, heh
09:01<@orudge>ah well, ta ta for now
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09:08<+glx>,...for(FileList::iterator it = _files.begin(); it != _files.end(); it++) {
09:08<+glx>,...,...for(HeaderList::iterator h = it->second->begin(); h != it->second->end(); h++) {
09:08<+glx>,...,...,...FileList::iterator f = _files.find(*h);
09:08<+glx>,...,...,...if (f != _files.end()) it->second->insert(f->second->begin(), f->second->end());
09:08<+glx>,...,...}
09:08<+glx>,...}
09:08<+glx>small addition, big effect ;)
09:10<+glx>but probably still incomplete
09:10<TinoDidriksen>Why do you need a custom makedepend, btw?
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09:11<+glx>because we already need a custom one ;)
09:11<+glx>OOB makedepend fails on openttd code
09:14<TinoDidriksen>Oh, cute. Haven't seen that problem before. What OS/arch fails?
09:14-!-frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc53d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd
09:15<+glx>most I think :) (unless it's a patched makedepend with higher MAXFILES value)
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09:16<TinoDidriksen>Can't recall an arch that actually still uses makedepend. gcc -M does nicely.
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09:16<+glx>gcc -M is slow :)
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09:18<frosch123>he, I get back, and the topic is still the same :)
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09:20<@petern>horribly slow
09:20<@petern>although not wrong :)
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09:26*SpComb hearts cmake
09:26<SpComb>dunno what it uses for #include dep tracking
09:28<EoD>what requirements does a (full - 8 players) openttd-server have (without ships)? More than 1 GHz? More than 100MBit?
09:30<frosch123>for a 64x64 map that is certainly enough
09:30<EoD>i thought about 512^2 or 1024^2
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09:34<SpComb>more than 100mbit/s is asking for a lot
09:35<EoD>I think we have 1GE
09:35<SpComb>but not for a single OpenTTD server
09:35<KingJ>100mbit should do fine
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09:36<EoD>SpComb: The server is more than just an OpenTTD server :)
09:40<EoD>But 1GHz (for openttd) for a full and maybe larger map is enough?
09:41<@petern>i wouldn't bet on it
09:43<EoD>hm, ok.
09:43*frosch123 hopes glx has more luck than him
09:44<+glx>well my code skips #include <squirrel.h> :(
09:44<TheBoff>to put it bluntly
09:44<TheBoff>how to become good at openttd?
09:44<TheBoff>I'm playing against CabAI
09:44<frosch123>mine always rebuilds everything, though Makefile.dep looks exactly the same as the one of makedepend :(
09:44<TheBoff>and it's kicking my arse
09:45<TheBoff>is it a good idea to max out loans at the start, for instance?
09:45<Vikthor>only if you have use for the loan
09:46<+glx>and repay it as soon as you can
09:46<TheBoff>ok
09:47<TheBoff>but on any map size, there will be some use for the loan?
09:48<TheBoff>as in, you can nearly always expand
09:50<TheBoff>and is there a particular industry that gives lots of cash?
09:50<TheBoff>livestock to factories seems good
09:51<+glx>coal is better
09:51<TheBoff>ok
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09:55<+glx>hmm ftp://ftp.jimbrooks.org/tools/makedepend_python_20050724.zip could be enough (but it's in python)
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09:56<+glx>link taken from http://www.jimbrooks.org/web/tools/
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09:58<Alberth>TheBoff: there is a window with cargo payment rates under the 'display graphs' button.
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09:58<TheBoff>ok, cool thanks
09:58<TheBoff>I discovered openttd yesterday, and it may be seriosuly harming my exam prospects ;)
10:01<@Rubidium>maybe we should add "Playing OpenTTD can seriously harm your carreer prospects" on the boxes we sell ;)
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10:02<+glx>hmm seems this python thing doesn't handle <> either
10:11<SHRIKEE>hehe, i love the new trainsigns in openttd :P
10:11<SHRIKEE>only sometimes trains are waiting for ages
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10:26<@petern>signals, not signs
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10:29<Xaroth>SHRIKEE: that's mostly up to how you design your rails tho :P
10:30<SHRIKEE>yea
10:30<SHRIKEE>i guess
10:30<Xaroth>PBS signals kick ass tbqfh
10:30<SHRIKEE>pbs?
10:30<Xaroth>path-based-signals
10:30<SHRIKEE>ah
10:31<Xaroth>1 entry PBS before splitting the line to various station lines, right after the station a one-way signal leading them out, after which a signal combo to re-combine the track
10:31<SHRIKEE>i'm a bit confused with the one way and regular pbs though
10:31<Xaroth>quick, dirty but efficient
10:31<Xaroth>er, the one-way signals can NOT be crossed from the other side
10:31<Xaroth>the other ones can, and will not be treated as a signal when crossed from the other side
10:32<SHRIKEE>and which pathfinder works best with the new signals?
10:33<Xaroth>personal flavour really
10:33<SHRIKEE>i think i use the default now
10:33<SHRIKEE>YAPF i have
10:33<frosch123>just use the recommended ones :)
10:33<SHRIKEE>yea this one is
10:33<SHRIKEE>ok :)
10:37<frosch123>http://paste.openttd.org/181706 <- btw, can someone also explain thatone as makedepend failure?
10:37<@Rubidium>no, that's a compiler flaw
10:38<frosch123>but it is also 'fixed' by make clean
10:38<@Rubidium>huh?
10:38<@Rubidium>ccache?
10:38<@Rubidium>distcc?
10:39<frosch123>distcc no, ccache I guess not, but cannot tell anymore as I reconfigured for debug
10:39<TinoDidriksen>I've seen that happen with my projects as well with plain gcc. Bizarre and unexplained, and I shrugged it off and continued coding...
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10:40<@petern>TrueBrain, here we go
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10:41<welshdragon>Xaroth: can you show me a picture of your PBS layout?
10:42<Xaroth>er
10:43<Xaroth>http://194.1.204.204/06-04-09_001.sav .. i think
10:43<Xaroth>has some
10:44<Xaroth>it uses some newgrf
10:45<Xaroth>http://194.1.204.204/grfs.zip .. should have all of em
10:45<welshdragon>why thank you
10:45<frosch123>so 'manual industries' crashed ottd, and noone reported... seems like it is downloaded more often than used
10:45<frosch123>s/crashed/crashes/
10:46<welshdragon>le be back shortly
10:47<frosch123>hmm, maybe msvc zeroes unintialised memory on the stack, so no windows user noticed
10:54<CIA-9>OpenTTD: frosch * r16027 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r9555): Usage of uninitialised memory when trying to build a random new industry, but there are no industrytypes to choose from (i.e. all appearance probabilities are zero).
10:54<SHRIKEE>is it better to use just PB signals or mix them up? It seems there are some weird things happening in my infrastructure
11:01<Xaroth>er
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11:01<Xaroth>use only pbs for a specific route
11:01<Xaroth>or use non-pbs for a specific route
11:01<Xaroth>don't mix em in the same route, as that negates the use of PBS
11:01<SHRIKEE>right
11:02<SHRIKEE>that's what im doing wrong then :o
11:02<Xaroth>It'll only calculate until the next block, not beyond it
11:02<SHRIKEE>i use pbs at intersections
11:02<SHRIKEE>and regular for the rest
11:02<Xaroth>that can work, but make sure that you use them wisely
11:02<Xaroth>not have their use being cut off by regulars
11:02<SHRIKEE>yea, well its a mess now :P
11:02<SHRIKEE>there are like 150 trains going crazy being lost :o
11:02<SHRIKEE>:(
11:03<Xaroth>then you messed up :P
11:03<SHRIKEE>bigtime
11:06<SHRIKEE>using just PBS seems to work for apart i tried it on
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11:24<CIA-9>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16028 /trunk/src/table/settings.h:
11:24<CIA-9>OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2826]: storing/loading some currencies failed due to inconsistent "tables".
11:24<CIA-9>OpenTTD: -Codechange: unduplicate settings "tables" that might be made inconsistent in the future (to prevent other cases like FS#2826).
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11:39<Xaroth>hm
11:40<Xaroth>when mass-resolving all server infos from the MS, some servers keep terminating the query before fully sending the data.
11:49<frosch123>[16:40] <TinoDidriksen> I've seen that happen with my projects as well with plain gcc. Bizarre and unexplained, and I shrugged it off and continued coding... <- I noticed I recently updated gcc so some of the objects were created using the old version. Did that also apply to you?
11:51<TinoDidriksen>Well, that scenario has also happened to me. I tend to rsync projects between machines, and has forgotten to make clean a few times.
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11:51<frosch123>so you rsynced also the objects?
11:52<TinoDidriksen>Yeah. But I've seen totally random failures that cleaning fixed.
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12:51<@Rubidium>Xaroth: you should read up on what UDP is and how it behaves
12:53<EoD>UDP is good for spamming ;)
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13:09<CIA-9>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16029 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2785]: do not give "... Mines" as name to the station of oil rigs, or more general: do not add "... Mines" when the all of the cargoes are part of the liquid, passenger or mail classes.
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13:25<+glx>TrueBrain: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/depend.diff <-- not that bad :)
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13:27<@Rubidium>hmm, - is what your patch adds, right?
13:27<+glx>yes
13:27<+glx>(it doesn't check -D)
13:29<frosch123>hmm, maybe "endian_host" was what caused the trouble of continuous remaking
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13:30<frosch123>i.e. glx: does 'make' behave sane with the new Makefile.dep ?
13:32<+glx>well for r16029 it recompiled some saveload stuff
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13:34<+glx>but maybe there was some leftovers
13:36<frosch123>using source.list should remove the macos stuff, shouln't it?
13:37<+glx>well macos stuff is included from stdafx.h IIRC
13:38<CIA-9>OpenTTD: translators * r16030 /trunk/src/lang/ (traditional_chinese.txt unfinished/serbian.txt):
13:38<CIA-9>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-11 17:38:26
13:38<CIA-9>OpenTTD: serbian - 50 fixed by etran (50)
13:38<CIA-9>OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 6 fixed, 2 changed by josesun (8)
13:39<frosch123>I mean, source.list contains all sources and includes, but also contains #ifdefs. So if you would only include the files of `gcc -E source.list`, you do not need to process the #ifdefs in the sources
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13:39<frosch123>though I guess that is also available in some variable of the makefile
13:39<frosch123>s/also/already/
13:41<+glx>http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/ottd_depend.cpp and http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/makefile.src.diff
13:45<+glx>headers are not in makefile
13:45<frosch123>I need '#include <string.h>' and I need to define 'MAX_PATH' :)
13:46<@Rubidium>MAX_PATH is probably in <limits.h>
13:46<frosch123>nope
13:47<+glx>MAX_PATH is in stdlib.h for me
13:47<@Rubidium>oh, it's PATH_MAX in <limits.h>
13:49<+glx>I have PATH_MAX in limits.h
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13:56<frosch123>oh, source.list is processed by awk :)
13:57<+glx>during configure yes
13:57<frosch123>and it removes .hpp and .h in that step
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13:57<@petern>hmm
13:57<+glx>yes .hpp and .h are used only for generate
13:57<@petern>7pm :o
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13:57<@petern>that took a while, hehe
13:58<frosch123>but .h and .hpp are also useful for the depend stuff
13:58<frosch123>to exclude os specific stuff
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13:59<frosch123>or are you going to process the #ifdefs in ottd_depend ?
14:00<frosch123>or is it good enough :)
14:00<+glx>I think it's not a big problem to depends on 3 extra files ;)
14:02<+glx>endian_host usually doesn't change
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14:10<CIA-9>OpenTTD: alberth * r16031 /trunk/src/highscore_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to highscore and endgame windows.
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14:38<CIA-9>OpenTTD: alberth * r16032 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Completing widget numbers of query windows.
14:44<@petern>TrueBrain, ping?
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15:14<CIA-9>OpenTTD: alberth * r16033 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to about window, land-info window, and both query windows.
15:17<@petern>okay
15:17<@petern>uk.binaries.openttd.org should be fast now
15:18<EoD>petern: TrueBrain is away, isn't he?
15:19<Sacro>petern: hosted where?
15:24<@petern>where i work, obviously
15:25<SpComb>your employer is officially sponsoring OpenTTD?
15:25<@petern>no
15:25<@petern>ia m
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15:29<jonty-comp>heh
15:30<jonty-comp>petern: but is it ipv6? :p
15:30<@petern>not yet
15:30<@petern>it is internally, but you can't reach it
15:30<jonty-comp>pfft
15:31<Pikka>woo!
15:31<Pikka>http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Newgrf_Airports_Documentation#Example_NFO insane code is insane D:
15:37<frosch123>@seen darkvater
15:37<@DorpsGek>frosch123: darkvater was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 22 hours, 51 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Darkvater> see ya guys
15:47<frosch123>"Cost per overbuilt tile when building" <- how do you want to overbuild airports?
15:47<Pikka>it says
15:47<Pikka>:P
15:47<@orudge>uk.binaries.openttd.org, eh? well, I could provide a us.binaries.openttd.org!
15:48<@orudge>and perhaps a de.binaries.openttd.org, depending on disk spae usage
15:48<@orudge>*space
15:49<@orudge>how up-to-date is this mirror of yours, petern? it doesn't even seem to have 0.7.0...
15:49<@petern>not very
15:50<@petern>truebrain needs to synchronise it, see
15:50<@orudge>hmm, 71KB/s
15:50<@orudge>I wonder if somebody is hogging bandwidth.
15:50<@orudge>oh, wait
15:50<@orudge>I am
15:50*orudge looks at uTorrent
15:50<Prof_Frink>Heh. The binary says binary.
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15:53<@Rubidium>I guess TB has disabled the mirroring for your server or so
15:53<Prof_Frink>:o a UFO! Is it after my tracks or trucks?
15:54<Sacro>or your tycoons
15:54<@orudge>hmm, 7.10MB/s from petern's server, compared to 9.53MB/s from the Netherlands
15:54<@orudge>apparently
15:54<@orudge>need a bigger file really
15:55<Prof_Frink>Download Destiny of the Daleks! Then send it to me!
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15:55<@orudge>9.28MB/s with a bigger file on petern's server
15:55<@orudge>compared to 9.81MB/s on the official server
15:55<@orudge>close enough not to matter, really
15:55<Blooddly>http://bloodlines.mybrute.com/ << Beat me in this cute and original game! Its almost totally random!! Try it out guys :)
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15:55<Prof_Frink>Gravity bandwidth!
15:56<@orudge>10 hops to the official binaries server, 11 to petern's! pfft!
15:56<@orudge>bucks.net, eh?
15:56<@orudge>well, well
15:56<@orudge>now all is revealed!
15:56<Prof_Frink>As opposed to quid.co.uk
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15:57<@Rubidium>petern: should I enable the mirroring to uk.binaries.openttd.org again?
15:57<@orudge>Rubidium: how does one go about becoming a mirror, and how much disk space and bandwidth is mirroring likely to use, could I enquire?
15:58<@Rubidium>lotsa diskspace for sure
15:58<@orudge>define "lotsa" :)
15:58<@petern>not much
15:59<@Rubidium>it's currently 16 GB
15:59<@orudge>oh
15:59<@orudge>that's not bad, then
15:59<@petern>15GB on my side, heh
15:59<@petern>but yeah, you can start mirroring Rubidium :D
15:59<@Rubidium>but it'll keep growing by a few MB a day (sizeof(nightly-source.tar.bz2))
15:59<@Rubidium>and when a release is made
15:59<@petern>now, why is this bonding shit not working on one server :(
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15:59<@orudge>well, I can offer you a us.binaries.openttd.org
16:00<Wolf01>'night
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16:00<Prof_Frink>why is -source on binaries. ?
16:00<@Rubidium>I guess TB really should start a round robin for binaries.openttd.org ;)
16:01<@orudge>hmm, I have roughly 1.5TB of bandwidth to spare on that server, too
16:01<@Rubidium>Prof_Frink: cause some people dislike subversion
16:01<@orudge>so I imagine an OpenTTD mirror should be no problem ;)
16:01<@orudge>Rubidium: think he more means the name ;)
16:02<@Rubidium>orudge: nah, we're only doing 0.5 TB a month and for this month LW expects near 0.9 TB
16:02<@orudge>mmh
16:02<@orudge>anyway, let me know Rubidium / TrueBrain / whoever how to go about doing the mirroring, and I shall
16:02<@Rubidium>Prof_Frink: because a .tar.bz2 is a binary file; uploading it as ascii would corrupt it
16:03<Prof_Frink>Good argument.
16:04*orudge sets to work downloading binaries.openttd.org via FTP in text mode
16:08<@Rubidium>I'd reckon that rsync is more reliable ;)
16:08<@petern>lol
16:08<@petern>text mdoe
16:08<@petern>mode :/
16:08<@petern>ps aux
16:08<@petern>er
16:09<@Rubidium>command not found: ps
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16:11<@Rubidium>rsync complete
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16:15<Nite_Owl>Hello all
16:16<TinoDidriksen>rsync is just wonderful...
16:19<Nite_Owl>Alberth: Why do some people just not get it?
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16:23<Nite_Owl>actually we should have thrown Mr. Reality at him
16:23<Alberth>PSVSupporter is making money with transfers only: http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/making_money_with_transfer.png See the green income with Train2
16:25<Alberth>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=780399#p780399 Proof of concept2.sav
16:26<CIA-9>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16034 /trunk/src/network/core/ (address.cpp address.h): -Fix: compile warnings generated by 64 bits MSVC.
16:28<Nite_Owl>I say we throw Belugas at him as he has now invoked reality in that thread
16:28<Alberth>Nite_Owl: for some reason, 'transfer' seems like the obvious choice with unloading for newbies. I don't understand why.
16:29<Nite_Owl>it could be that they started playing with the cargo destination patch where that seems to be standard behavior
16:30<Alberth>would newbies even know where to find cargodest?
16:30<pavel1269>good question :-)
16:30<Nite_Owl>probably not
16:32<@Rubidium>"hi im 7 yr old an ned pathc how do i"
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16:32<jonty-comp>need what?
16:34<Prof_Frink>patch I suspect.
16:35<pavel1269>i have global pram .... new game .... go .... it get some value .... new game .... if in new game there is nowhere defined, what value is should be .... value is sitll from the prevorious game???
16:36<pavel1269>too many mistypes :(
16:36<@Rubidium>jonty-comp/Prof_Frink: read http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=780288#p780288 and the following posts ;)
16:37<pavel1269>:D
16:37*Rubidium ponders whether pavel1269 was trying to pretend to be stupid/lame in typing
16:37<jonty-comp>oh good lord
16:38<pavel1269>Rubidium: unfornutately .... no :-(
16:38<pavel1269>but i hope, you can understand that
16:39<Nite_Owl>is there not an age limit on the forums
16:39<Nite_Owl>I thought it was around 13 or so
16:39<@Rubidium>well, you succeeded in writing something down my very permissive lexer/parser barfs on
16:39<@orudge>"I thought the gays here r really helpful but guess u ppl want to make fun not to help."
16:40<@orudge>and the straights aren't helpful?
16:40<@orudge>how rude
16:40<pavel1269>we had once a guy ... 13 on server ... higher that limit? :-)
16:40<@Rubidium>uppl = micro parts per litre/liter?
16:40<pavel1269>u ppl ...
16:40<pavel1269>:-)
16:41<pavel1269>Belu gas knows ;)
16:41<Prof_Frink>Rub I di ummmmm... doesn't.
16:42<Nite_Owl>orudge: is there an age limit on the forums?
16:43<@orudge>yes, you have to be young enough to not be dead
16:43<@orudge>there is no upper or lower age limit as such, though
16:44<frosch123>what, no undead?
16:45<Nite_Owl>poor wording on my part but you got what I meant
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16:46<pavel1269>frosh, you undead?
16:46<frosch123>hmm, I remember, I added frosh to my highlight list
16:47<pavel1269>sorry then :-)
16:47<pavel1269>didnt want to distrupt you ;)
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16:48<frosch123>but I do not remember the century I did that
16:48<@Rubidium>probably the 21nd
16:48<frosch123>twentyfirsnd :)
16:49<@orudge>unless he came back from the future
16:49<@orudge>or from the past, I guess
16:49*orudge came from the past
16:51<pavel1269>whats the name of last film you saw oruge? :-)
16:51*Rubidium slaps my maker for my sloppy multithreaded brain implementation
16:52<pavel1269>you can be happy ... i have broken singlethreaded ..... :-)
16:55<pavel1269>GenerateWorld() is called on NewGame ... and Not on load ... right?
16:56<TrueBrain>[22:02] <orudge> anyway, let me know Rubidium / TrueBrain / whoever how to go about doing the mirroring, and I shall <- for that of course you need to contact me :p :p
16:56<TrueBrain>and 'us' is welcome, yes :p
16:58<TrueBrain>but of course now you are gone :p
16:59<frosch123>be careful, he always comes from the past
16:59<@orudge>TrueBrain: heh
16:59<@orudge>I am here now
17:00<TrueBrain>but now I have to give a tour in ESXi :p
17:00<TrueBrain>back in a bit ;)
17:00<@orudge>pfft
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17:00<TrueBrain>petern: concratz on finally managing to put it on 100 mbit ;) :p
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17:10<Ant_LV>hello everybody. i got interesting idea to openttd. because now it's possible situation when one industry type is more than one time per town maybe it's possible to have something like "XXX Farm #1", "XXX Farm #2"? & "XXX mines" with oil rigs are cool
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17:12<FauxFaux>Go do it.
17:12<frosch123>but don't confuse industry names with station namesw
17:13<Ant_LV>if i knew c++ it'd be easier to do it ;-]
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17:24<Roujin_>does the new widget system allow two widgets on top of each other, of which one is made invisible under certain circumstances (like it is done with the "old" system)?
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17:26<+glx>not really
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17:27<Roujin>mph, then I made a really terrific choice with the content download window as a starting point for my venture into the new widget system...
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17:28<Roujin>"Select All" / "Select Updates" ..
17:28<Roujin>*upgrades
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17:33<Roujin>hmm, should I merge them into one button?
17:39<@petern>TrueBrain, and i'm home now :D
17:39<TrueBrain>petern: me 2 :)
17:39<TrueBrain>spend 7 hours in a DC :p
17:40<@petern>yup
17:40<@petern>well, 3
17:40<@petern>biggest problem today
17:40<@petern>two of the rail mounting kits were busted
17:40<@petern>so i spent about an hour trying to repair them with only a huge screwdriver
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17:49<@petern>hmm, orudge appears to be getting 9MB/s
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17:50<@petern>well, shocking, that's only 45 times faster than it was :o
17:50<@orudge>well
17:50<@orudge>I was getting such speeds from JANET
17:50<@orudge>quite happily
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17:54<@petern>also
17:54<@petern>20:56 <@orudge> bucks.net, eh?
17:54<TrueBrain>petern: I meant I spend 7 hours in a DC myself :)
17:55<@petern>was that a surprise?
17:55<@petern>TrueBrain, i know
17:55<TrueBrain>ah :p
17:55<TrueBrain>and yeah .. we had issues with a rail too ..
17:55<TrueBrain>somehow those things never do what you want :p
17:55<@orudge>petern: you had not previously revealed the name, as far as I am aware
17:56<@petern>hm
17:56<@petern>a traceroute always gave that away
17:58<@petern>heh, technically it's 200Mbit/s now
17:59<@petern>although eth0 is mostly used. hmm
18:00<TrueBrain>petern: do you know which public key I gave you for binaries transfer? :)
18:00<TrueBrain>(what user has signed it? :p)
18:00<TrueBrain>and you should make me a mirror.html file :p
18:02<@petern>www-data@openttd.org
18:02<TrueBrain>k, tnx :)
18:02<TrueBrain>Tomorrow ... I am going to document mirror-support :)
18:03<@petern>15.8MB now
18:03<@petern>gone up a lot with the last sync :D
18:03<@petern>i assume it doesn't take too long now
18:03<@Rubidium>petern: off by a factor 1024?
18:05<@petern>*shrug*
18:05<@petern>hdd units? :p
18:05<@petern>ah, 40Mbit/s spike, heh
18:06<@Rubidium>aren't hdd units in blocks of 512?
18:07<@petern>hdd manufacturer units, i mean
18:07<@petern>1000 instead of 1024
18:07<@petern>du -s
18:07<@petern>15819804 .
18:07<@petern>-> 15.8 :)
18:08<@Rubidium>du -sh ;)
18:09<@petern>16G, of course
18:09<@petern>4GB of RAM is handy
18:10<@petern>3.6GB of memory is used for cache :D
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18:12<@petern>hmm, looks like lacp is distributing traffic deterministicly
18:13<@petern>if there was more traffic it'd even out, i guess
18:13<Roujin_>hm, I'm trying to redo the content download window with the new widget system, and cannot get it to resize.. any ideas what I could've done wrong?
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18:14<@Rubidium>for one there's a custom resize handler that might mess up things
18:14<@Rubidium>also the network server list isn't fool proof (when switching direction)
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18:28<@petern>mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1
18:28<@petern>right?
18:28<TrueBrain>that I did type today
18:28<TrueBrain>although sda1 was sdb1 ..
18:28<@petern>ahmm, says UU
18:28<@petern>yeah, main reason i went to telehouse :D
18:28<@petern>to replace a failed drive, heh
18:28<TrueBrain>so both disk in your RAID-1 are active :p
18:29<TrueBrain>we did a disk dance :) That disk goes to there .. that disk to there ...
18:29<TrueBrain>but always nice to get all servers back in their RAId-1 :)
18:30<@petern>old disk has odd looking marks on the circuit board
18:30<TrueBrain>brown marks?
18:30<TrueBrain>or black?
18:30<@petern>erm
18:30<@petern>neither
18:31<@petern>the sort of colours metal goes when it's heat treated
18:31<TrueBrain>nasty :p
18:31<@petern>on the traces
18:31<TrueBrain>we had oxidation marks on one server (the outside)
18:31<@petern>drive temps are ~ 30°C
18:31<TrueBrain>I wonder how water got in ....
18:31<@petern>dripping aircon? :p
18:32<@petern>no doubt you've seen the famous bucket in a machine room picture...
18:32<TrueBrain>not really possible .. this DC uses air-ducts
18:32<@petern>hehe
18:32<@petern>yeah
18:32<@petern># hddtemp /dev/sda
18:32<@petern>/dev/sda: WDC WD5000AAKS-00A7B2: 30°C
18:32<@petern># hddtemp /dev/sdb
18:32<@petern>/dev/sdb: WDC WD5000KS-00MNB0: 30°C
18:32<@petern>so much for getting the same model :p
18:33<TrueBrain>I don't have hddtemp installed :p
18:33<@petern>my server's drives are now 25°C
18:33<@petern>bit cold
18:33<@petern>but better than in its old location
18:33<@petern>18°C is... brrrr
18:33<TrueBrain>OpenTTD's are 36C
18:33<@petern>perfect
18:34<TrueBrain>the other one 34C
18:34<TrueBrain>lol
18:34<TrueBrain>the DC I am coming from shows 26C on the disks
18:34<TrueBrain>also on the CPU :p
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18:35<@petern>cpu temp is 27°C
18:35<@petern>Fans 1-4 are 11
18:35<@petern>whatever that means :p
18:36<TrueBrain>11 years old :p
18:36<@petern>probably :p
18:36<@petern>nah, it's not that old
18:36<@petern>probably 2004/5 vintage
18:36<@petern>but dual xeon 2.4 is not exactly bad
18:37<@petern>one of the servers i pulled out today was pentium 200...
18:37<TrueBrain>LOL!
18:37<TrueBrain>that is bad :p
18:38<TrueBrain>I remember my first work ahd a 'very fast server'
18:38<@Rubidium>quality over speed ;)
18:38<TrueBrain>dual pentium something
18:38<TrueBrain>then that was cool and WOW
18:38<TrueBrain>now I laugh my ass off :p
18:38<TrueBrain>it is already eastern, right?
18:38<TrueBrain>so I can start eating this rabbit figure, right?
18:38<@petern>hehe
18:38<@Rubidium>no, Flappie ought to be eaten at Christmas
18:39<TrueBrain>hmm ... I have id_dsa here, but not the .pub which should come with it
18:39<TrueBrain>nwo that is annoying :)
18:39<@petern>let me give you one ;)
18:39<TrueBrain>a .pub? Doesn't sound too useful :)
18:40<@petern>is if i wanted access, hehe
18:40<@petern>md4 : active raid1 sda6[2] sdb6[1] 479588288 blocks [2/1] [_U] [=>...................] recovery = 8.3% (39894400/479588288) finish=102.2min speed=71642K/sec
18:40<TrueBrain>I can just give you access to my home PC
18:40<@petern>er
18:40<TrueBrain>if that makes you really happy ...
18:40<@petern>one line? never mind
18:40<@petern>gonna take a while, heh
18:40<@petern>TrueBrain, sure :D
18:40*petern sets up the spam bots
18:40<TrueBrain>you do need to wait till I get IPv6 subnet
18:40<TrueBrain>as my ISP blocks all ports :(
18:41<@petern>:(
18:42<Sacro>TrueBrain: you can generate the .pub
18:42<TrueBrain>Sacro: it is not a real issue .. it just makes you wonder, how you could have moved the .pub instead of copied
18:42<@petern>bah, stupid laptop
18:42<@petern>have to keep auto calibrating the monitor cos the timings drift
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18:47<TinoDidriksen>id_dsa ? That's a bit old fashioned.
18:48<TrueBrain>dsa? Why?
18:49<TinoDidriksen>Default these days is RSA
18:50<TinoDidriksen>Haven't seen a DSA key for years, back on RH 7.3.
18:56<Roujin_>woah, check tt-forums.net
18:56<Roujin_>"SarlKiKereimb"
18:57<TrueBrain>DSS (DSA with SHA-1) is considered just as safe. Some people think that
18:57<TrueBrain>DSA with RIPEMD-160 is as safe as DSS. The benefits and disadvantages
18:57<TrueBrain>aren't security ones, but performance issues usually. For example, large
18:57<TrueBrain>RSA keys produce much larger signatures than DSA keys of the same size.
18:57<TrueBrain>FYI TinoDidriksen
18:58<@petern>hmm, speedy connection :D
19:00<TrueBrain>US mirror is syncing as we speak :)
19:00<TinoDidriksen>DSA keys are limited to 1024 bits, though, as per the standard. RSA can be any length, and defaults to 2048.
19:00<@petern>who needs sourceforge :D
19:00<TrueBrain>petern: indeed :)
19:01<@petern>if you make rsync exclude mirror.html, then we can just edit it as we please
19:02<TrueBrain>petern: yeah, I had that in the beginning
19:02<TrueBrain>don't remember what went wrong ...
19:02<@petern>cos
19:02<@petern>i just finished one
19:02<TrueBrain>and I just synced back :p
19:02<@petern>and it got wiped out before i could do anything with it :P
19:02<TrueBrain>Sorry :$ :)
19:03<TrueBrain>ah, yes, the problem was I needed a method to detect if the mirror.html file was at the other end at all
19:03<TrueBrain>how can I do that ... hmm ...
19:03<TinoDidriksen>rsync can produce a file listing.
19:03<TinoDidriksen>...by not specifying a destination.
19:03<@petern>how often do you set up a new mirror?
19:03<TrueBrain>petern: not too often, but I am very lazy :)
19:04<@petern>might be simplest to skip it with rsync and touch the file "when" you create a new mirror :p
19:04<TrueBrain>2 actions ...
19:04<TrueBrain>:(
19:04<@petern>:(
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19:05<TrueBrain>let me try something ...
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19:09<@petern>hmm
19:10<@petern>i might end up with 4 postfix processes on this (other) server :s
19:11<TrueBrain>it should be possible to exclude a file from syncing when it exists, or else sync it ..
19:11<TrueBrain>--ignore-existing
19:11<TrueBrain>should work ...
19:13<TrueBrain>okay, petern, that problem should not happen ever again :)
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19:15<@petern>:D
19:16<TrueBrain>so make me a new mirror.html :p
19:16<TrueBrain>ghehe
19:17<@petern>tomorrow
19:17<@petern>it's WAY past my bedtime :s
19:17<TrueBrain>same here
19:17<TrueBrain>sorry btw :)
19:17<@petern>goodnight
19:17<TrueBrain>and tnx ;)
19:17<TrueBrain>night petern :)
19:17<TrueBrain>night all
19:18<@Rubidium>night TrueBrain
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20:19<Nite_Owl>Hello once again
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20:26<Nite_Owl_>Razzin Frazzin Frickel Frakell
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21:10<CIA-9>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16035 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix: dash wasn't able to run iconv detection
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22:51<Tidus97>oh hi
22:53<Sacro>ohai
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