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---Logopened Sat May 30 00:00:25 2009
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01:30<DaleStan>Belugas: How much do you know about feature 0F in OpenTTD? Specifically: If a GRF sets property 08 for feature 0F, will it be disabled? If a GRF sets property 11 for feature 0F, will it be disabled?
01:33<DaleStan>Oh, and one more: If a GRF contains Actions 1, 2, 3, and/or 4 for feature 0F, which (if any) of those will cause the GRF to be disabled? (Assuming the sprite is otherwise valid.)
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03:48<@Bjarni>hello z-MaTRiX
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03:59<z-MaTRiX>do you know girls with 130+ iq?
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04:33<@Bjarni> <z-MaTRiX> do you know girls with 130+ iq? <-- I think so
04:33<@Bjarni>but... how is that related to this channel?
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05:02<z-MaTRiX>Bjarni, if you want to relate it, guess clever girls as programmers
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07:01<CIA-3>OpenTTD: alberth * r16463 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp window.cpp window_gui.h): -Cleanup: Code style fixes.
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07:24<CIA-3>OpenTTD: alberth * r16464 /trunk/src/music/libtimidity.cpp: -Codechange (r16422): Added a missing const_cast<>
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07:30<CIA-3>OpenTTD: alberth * r16465 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Eliminated GetGloballyFocusedWidget(), it was used only once.
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07:42<CIA-3>OpenTTD: alberth * r16466 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Improved wording in comments.
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07:48<z-MaTRiX>hey SmatZ ;>
07:52<SmatZ>hello z-MaTRiX
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08:24<@Belugas>DaleStan : it's not finished yet (real life block - inspiration lost). As to how the system reacts once a grf tries to load those props, it's totally unknown to me. If you can spare a sample, i might tell you or even correct the system, given time, of course
08:24<@Belugas>if even it is broken, of course ;)
08:26<frosch123>morning belugas :)
08:42<CIA-3>OpenTTD: alberth * r16467 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Unduplicate setting of widget focus (with thanks to Smatz).
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08:52<@Belugas>hello frosch123 :) sorry, was doing home cleaning routine
08:52<@Belugas>still am
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09:43<Hirundo>@seen TrueBrain
09:43<@DorpsGek>Hirundo: TrueBrain was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> you catched on on that? :)
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10:18<CIA-3>OpenTTD: alberth * r16468 /trunk/src/osk_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use GetWidgetOfType() for finding an edit box.
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13:09<DaleStan>Belugas: I can test myself, then.
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13:18<frosch123> <- I propose sirxavius as project manager
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13:20<Eddi|zuHause>lmao :p
13:21<@Rubidium>I propose someone and You
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13:21<Eddi|zuHause>@seen you
13:21<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: you was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: * You have been kicked.
13:23*frosch123 is quite impressed that the first thing you need is a project manager
13:25<Eddi|zuHause>not only does it need a project manager, it needs a BIG project manager
13:25<@Rubidium>so should it be an American?
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13:32<CIA-3>OpenTTD: translators * r16469 /trunk/src/lang/ (afrikaans.txt luxembourgish.txt):
13:32<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-05-30 17:31:31
13:32<CIA-3>OpenTTD: afrikaans - 6 fixed by Chilli (6)
13:32<CIA-3>OpenTTD: luxembourgish - 290 fixed, 793 changed by *jigo* (1083)
13:33<andythenorth>'Scuse me if I'm being dense, or missing something obvious in the TTDPatch there a newgrf method for an industry to trigger a player alert (news or similiar)?
13:34<+glx>there are 2 callbacks able to return a news message
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13:36<+glx>CB 29 and 35
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13:39<andythenorth>Ah thanks. Tying it to the production change makes sense, that's likely what we'll use to control any changes to an industry.
13:40<frosch123>you can also issue a newsmessage without changing the production with those callbacks :)
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13:43<CIA-3>OpenTTD: smatz * r16470 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r14293): track reservation was drawn at bridge heads in the menu
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13:48<CIA-3>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16471 /trunk/bin/data/opntitle.dat: -Fix (r16461): don't test in 0.3.4 when you meant to test in trunk@HEAD.
13:49<Eddi|zuHause>hm... it appears to work, but the colour scheme is messed up...
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14:05<mikk36>is the station_spread changeable during multiplayer game ?
14:05<frosch123>try it :)
14:06<+glx>but it's probably a server side setting
14:06<mikk36>yeah, but i can't seem to be able to even get the value using setting command over rcon
14:07<mikk36>both "rcon pass setting station_spread" and "rcon pass setting station.station_spread" return the basic informative text
14:10<mikk36>no matter what setting i try to get
14:10<mikk36>it always prints out just the informative text
14:10<@SmatZ>mikk36: rcon pass "setting station_spread"
14:11<@SmatZ>or so
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14:11<mikk36>ok, that works ::)
14:12<mikk36>also, the wiki has been left unchanged
14:12<mikk36>nothing about the setting command
14:12<mikk36>list_patches should also be changed to list_settings i guess
14:12<Alberth>well, it's a wiki ;)
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14:12<mikk36>aha, both list_patches and list_settings work
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15:37<dihedral>svn info -r {"2009-03-30 20:00:00"} svn://
15:38<dihedral>svn: Failed to find time on revision 8235
15:38<dihedral>that's odd ....
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15:40<dihedral>svn info -r {"2009-03-30 20:00:00"}
15:40<dihedral>svn: REPORT request failed on '/!svn/vcc/default'
15:41<dihedral>svn: REPORT of '/!svn/vcc/default': 500 Internal Server Error (
15:41<frosch123>"svn log -r8230:8240 svn://" <- someone messed there :)
15:42<dihedral>frosch123: however, other days it works perfectly fine
15:42<dihedral>e.g. yesterday
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15:45<frosch123>dihedral: I guess it does some binary search in the revisions :) 8235 is HEAD/2 :)
15:46<dihedral>still odd how it can work some days and not others
15:46<@Bjarni>that's not weird
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15:46<@Bjarni>the bug knows how to tell the time
15:46<dihedral>thought i could imagine the logs of folders one has no access too looks like
15:46<frosch123>dihedral: because not every day 8235 is HEAD/2 ?
15:47<dihedral>frosch123: hehe :-P
15:47<@Bjarni>I read about a bug which was only triggered on certain times. The minutes had to be something specific meaning the bug showed up once every hour
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15:47<dihedral>frosch123: other days it's not HEAD/2 either :-P
15:47<dihedral>and i have been seeing the results of this for the past - dont as me how long - some weeks now
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15:49<dihedral>+ a simple svn info works
15:49<frosch123>dihedral: either you do not understand me, or I do not understand you, or both
15:49<dihedral>svn info svn:// <- works
15:50<dihedral>svn info -r 14670 svn:// <- works
15:50<@SmatZ>@calc 14670 / 2
15:50<@DorpsGek>SmatZ: 7335
15:50<frosch123>dihedral: does any -r {date} work for you today?
15:50<@SmatZ>@calc 16470 / 2
15:50<@DorpsGek>SmatZ: 8235
15:50<dihedral>svn info -r {2009-05-30} svn:// <- does not
15:50<frosch123>does it start working again once HEAD has reached r16480 ?
15:51<dihedral>we dont have that rev yet
15:51<Eddi|zuHause>quick, make 10 commits :p
15:51<frosch123>exaclty dihedral, it does not matter which date you enter, it generally not work today, as HEAD/2 results in an invalid revision
15:52<frosch123>so you have to wait until HEAD/2 does not result in an invalid revision, and it will also work for 2009-05-30
15:53<dihedral>@calc 16471 / 2
15:53<@DorpsGek>dihedral: 8235.5
15:53<Eddi|zuHause>or "someone" fixes the revisions
15:54<dihedral>Eddi|zuHause: in that case 'someone' would be TrueBrain, and he's gone for the weekend
15:55<dihedral>thee only other person i know who would fiddle about with that, is Rubidium
15:55<dihedral>and i guess he'd wait for TrueBrain to come back :-P
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15:57<frosch123>the only person I know who would care to reroll the repository to insert emty revisons with fictional dates is "someone"
15:57<dihedral>that data is in flat files
15:57<dihedral>it's easily edited
15:58<dihedral>+ i dont get why you need to access 'HEAD/2' for an -r {date}
15:58<frosch123>dihedral: wiki/google for "binary search"
15:58<frosch123>and apply it to the problem of finding the revision to a date
15:59<dihedral>i shall haed to sleeps
16:01<+glx>so it will fail for HEAD/2 = 10000 too :)
16:04<@Bjarni>why is HEAD/2 interesting anyway?
16:04<frosch123>Bjarni: wiki/google for "binary search" and apply it to the problem of finding the revision to a date
16:05<@Bjarni>ask svn for a certain date
16:05<Eddi|zuHause>hm... i feel like in #groundhog
16:06<@Bjarni>I have done that once in a while
16:06<Eddi|zuHause>Bjarni: yes. and how would svn then search for that date?
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16:07<@Bjarni>read the source and you will know
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16:08<Nite_Owl>Hello all
16:09<Eddi|zuHause>i'll close this case as a "you don't get it"...
16:10<@Bjarni>but I asked because I failed to see the problem ;)
16:11<Eddi|zuHause>ok. let me spell this out for you... in 99.8% of all cases, searching in a sorted list is implemented by binary search, so by 99.8%, the search implemented in svn is a binary search
16:12<Eddi|zuHause>so to find a revision to a date, svn would look at the revision of HEAD/2 [the middle]
16:12<Eddi|zuHause>then it would check if that revision's date is less or more than the given date
16:13<Eddi|zuHause>and jump into the middle of the appropriate subrange...
16:13<CIA-3>OpenTTD: smatz * r16472 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: set vehicle type in SpecializedVehicle constructor instead of constructor of each vehicle type
16:13<@Bjarni>but if svn can do this for you then why is this an issue?
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16:13<Eddi|zuHause>because SVN crashes, when HEAD/2 is not a valid revision
16:14<@Bjarni>now I get it
16:15<@SmatZ>it also assumes date(revision x) > date(revision x-1)
16:15<@SmatZ>maybe it would be nice to be able to disable binary search in this case
16:15<@Bjarni>most likely
16:15<Eddi|zuHause>well, yes... the list has to be sorted for binary search to work
16:16<Eddi|zuHause>non-binary search is very slow...
16:16<@Bjarni>but it works
16:16<Eddi|zuHause>it would be more appropriately to build a separate index
16:17<Eddi|zuHause>and then search on the index instead of the revisions
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16:44<CIA-3>OpenTTD: smatz * r16473 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2934](r16442): show all non-effect vehicles in the minimap, not only effect vehicles
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17:16<oskari89>!seen Pikka
17:16<oskari89>Not working here, damn..
17:16<Eddi|zuHause>command character is @
17:17<oskari89>@seen Pikka
17:17<@DorpsGek>oskari89: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 4 hours, 1 minute, and 9 seconds ago: <Pikka> planetmaker: but they still own the copyright
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21:25<Sacro> <- poor little fella :(
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22:07<Eddi|zuHause>i have seen something like this before
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