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---Logopened Tue Jul 07 00:00:29 2009
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03:04<dihedral>morning
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04:12*yorick would like to be able to change reliability and availability with newgrf callback 36
04:12<yorick>also cargo capacity for planes would be nice
04:19<@petern>reliability is never specified
04:30<yorick>it would make sense to have both reliability and availability :)
04:31<@petern>reliability is calculated
04:32<yorick>yes
04:32<yorick>but based on model life
04:33<@petern>affected by
04:34<yorick>but I want my vehicle to have a constant reliability of 96%
04:34<yorick>and be available for only 2 years
04:34<@petern>well you can't
04:35<yorick>that's why I want the reliability and availability using callback 36 ;)
04:35<@petern>there's no equivalent property
04:36<yorick>:(
04:36<yorick>then I want it in another callback :P
04:36<@petern>then implement it
04:37<dihedral>iwant iwant iwant
04:37<dihedral>sounds like an apple product
04:37<dihedral>:-P
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04:40<yorick>how about the refittable cargo classes then
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05:19<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16757 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3018]: in the refit window the "Select cargo type to carry" line always showed the ship refit tooltip
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07:21<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16758 /trunk/src/station_type.h: -Document: some station related types/enums
07:21<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16759 /trunk/src/station.cpp: -Codechange: some coding style in station.cpp
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08:14<jpm>hi
08:23*dihedral wonders if this is another person to quickly disappear if no one should reply ^^
08:24*SirSquid1ess wonders if jpm is a really a government spy, sent to investigate possible terrorist activities that took place on an oTTD server, against a fellow player
08:26*TrueBrain things he is going to kick a few people, just for the fun of it
08:26<TrueBrain>s/g/k
08:27<FauxFaux>Koing to kick a few people?
08:27<dihedral>better than gicg
08:28<TrueBrain>lucky seds work only on the first char it finds which matches
08:28<TrueBrain>(no global sed ;))
08:28<TrueBrain>hmm .. I made a TINY mistake when doing a creditcard billing ... I gave the wrong address :p
08:28<TrueBrain>didn't know they checked addresses ...
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08:30<dihedral>hehe
08:30<dihedral>looks like jpm just wanted to idle
08:31<TrueBrain>let him
08:31<TrueBrain>at least he says something
08:31<TrueBrain>more then you can say about Chruker
08:31<TrueBrain>he only scares away people
08:31<TrueBrain>:p
08:32<Chruker>awww
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08:33<Chruker>Me and Howdy have a == relationship :-)
08:33<dihedral>...
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08:33<dihedral>yes, at least jpm made since in what he said :-D
08:34<TrueBrain>Chruker: sounds horrible
08:36<@Belugas>not my sound, not mine
08:36<@Belugas>hello
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08:37<TrueBrain>your sound is not horrible, very true Belugas
08:37<TrueBrain>in the last week we got approached by a few other open source projects to use WT3 .. lol :)
08:38<@Belugas>ask them 1000$ for it
08:38<@Belugas>each
08:38<TrueBrain>I am not going to ask money to other open source projects Belugas
08:38<TrueBrain>although it would mean we don't have to do any additional fundraisers :p
08:38<@Belugas>yup yup yup
08:39<yorick>if I win a million some day, I might give some of it to openttd
08:40<TrueBrain>yorick: we don't want your dollar
08:40<TrueBrain>yorick: we don't want your 1 dollar
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08:40<yorick>no, it might be more than 50 dollars ;)
08:40<planetmaker>if I wer god I'd donate everything they want to the devs in order to improve the game
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08:40<planetmaker>is it realistical?
08:41<planetmaker>is the promise worth anything?
08:41<yorick>you mean the fact that you would only exist in crazy people's minds?
08:41<TrueBrain>if I turn out to be briliant, I might contribute to OpenTTD
08:41<TrueBrain>oh wait ...
08:41<yorick>and it's not like I would ever win something :)
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08:42<planetmaker>I mean merely the fact that irrealistic promises have no chance to become reality and as such are just mute...
08:42<TrueBrain>I agree with planetmaker
08:43<yorick>I'm not promising anything there :-|
08:44<@Belugas>nothing is worth considering up until it's signed in blood
08:45<TrueBrain>damn .. I do hope my order goes to the right address now .. stupid creditcards :(
08:49<@Belugas>don't blame the little plastic stuff... blame either the user or the processor!
08:49<@petern>well
08:50<@petern>today i am mr piggy
08:50<Chruker>its an error #50
08:50<@petern>you know
08:51<@petern>some people say that if they won the lottery they'd stay in their job
08:51<@petern>well fuck tha
08:51<@petern>t
08:51<@Belugas>hehehe
08:51*dihedral pats petern on the back ^^
08:51<Noldo>lottery winnings are not That much money
08:51<@petern>obviously i mean the big prize...
08:52<Noldo>it's not that hard to spend money
08:52*Belugas disagrees. 14millions$ cdn is a lot.
08:52<@Belugas>but... i'll buy all me dreams and i'll end up working again.. :S
08:53<@petern>i could make it last a while :)
08:53<Noldo>you don't have to work ever again, but then you can't spend that 14 mil
08:54<@petern>i wouldn't be able to spend all that in one go
08:55<Chruker>sure you could, just find some big house to buy
08:55<@petern>i'd blow a big portion on a nice house
08:55<Chruker>:-)
08:55<@petern>nice that would still leave loads left over
08:55<@petern>-nice
08:56<Chruker>you cant find a house that costs 14m ?
08:56<@petern>i can find plenty that cost less
08:57<@petern>i wouldn't suddenly become an idiot who spends all the money they have for no reason
08:58<@Belugas>i'd construct a recording studio
08:58<@petern>ding
08:59<@Belugas>a new house, by a cool lake, at least 2-3 floors, with a big studio on it, state of the art everything
09:00<@petern>hmm, a nice steinway grand
09:00<@Belugas>among others ;)
09:01<@Belugas>ho... and a bank account which interests will pay for plane tickets for those who wish to visit and PLAY
09:02<@petern>gah
09:02<@petern>fucking dreams :s
09:02*SirSquid1ess thinks Belugas should shout plane tickets for lots of people t come and have on gigantic oTTD LAN for us to earn our trillions of dollars of virtual currency
09:02<@petern>what's the point in that?
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09:02<SirSquid1ess>petern: free travel :P
09:03<@petern>pfft, freeloader
09:03<@Belugas>SirSquid1ess, i was not talking about playing OTTD...
09:04<SirSquid1ess>oh, Ir ealise
09:04<SirSquid1ess>but when you're living it up, we gotat be at least able to out-do you in virtual currency
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09:06<@Belugas>hem... like... i'm such a pro of OpenTTD :S
09:06<jpm>Does anybody know why tt-forums.net is down?
09:07<@Belugas>nope
09:07<jpm>ok
09:07*jpm goes to spy mode...
09:07<@Belugas>SirSquid1ess, to me, doing music is quite more rewardable than gaming.
09:08<@Belugas>like... at least, i can listen to it back and enjoy it everytime i want ;)
09:08<SirSquid1ess>I completely agree with that
09:08*dihedral has not played since - cannot remember when
09:09<planetmaker>wwottdgd/2?
09:09<planetmaker> /1?
09:09<dihedral>thanks for the highlight :-P
09:09<dihedral>i did not play wwottdgd/2
09:11<planetmaker>:O
09:11<planetmaker>highlight on wwottdgd? :)
09:11<dihedral>^^
09:12<dihedral>and some more ^^
09:13<planetmaker>he :)
09:15<@Belugas>Woodstock!
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09:21<@petern>really need to get my arse into get and do some multitrack recording
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09:23<@Belugas>:)
09:25<@Belugas>i'm sure you already have the tools to do so
09:25<@petern>i do
09:25<@petern>hmm, arse into *gear* obviously
09:26<@Belugas>gear?
09:26<@Belugas>you need more gear?
09:26<@petern>"arse into gear"
09:26<@petern>i.e.
09:26<@Belugas>oh...
09:26<@petern>get on an do it
09:26<@Belugas>ok...
09:26<@Belugas>never mind
09:26<@petern>although
09:26<@petern>yeah
09:26<@petern>i 'need' more gear ;)
09:26<@Belugas>i read "hardware" hehe
09:27<@Belugas>i'm sometimes frustrated by my "gear"
09:27<@Belugas>theorically, i have 8 tracks to deal with, which seems enugh
09:27<@Belugas>wrong!
09:27<@Belugas>4 monos and 2 stereos
09:27<@Belugas>and that is all used up VERY fast
09:28<@petern>hm
09:29<@petern>well
09:29<@petern>i only have 2 channels of real inputs
09:30<@Belugas>true. but you have infinite virtual tracks to record on
09:30<@petern>yeah
09:30<@Belugas>i only have 2 inputs too
09:30<@petern>you've got reaper ;)
09:30<@Belugas>well... yeah... but... i'm doing all my stuff n the zoom
09:30<@Belugas>which looks like a self-limitation, now that i read it back lS
09:34<@Belugas>funny, a while ago, the forums been down would be a catastroph
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09:40<@petern>hm
09:57<N35>My god, i need help with building railways, isnt there a server somewhere where i can connect and be taught how to do it? Been spending since yesterday, doing a map, and everytime i get too many trains on a single factory-station, all the trains just get stuck -.-
10:02<@petern>bah
10:02<@petern>i want an FCB1010 but only the expression pedals, not the other buttons
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10:07<@Belugas>"just" that ? hehe
10:08<SirSquid1ess>N35: been through the wiki?
10:10<@petern>and i want.... and ... and ... hehe
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10:13<@Belugas>yup, i know the feeling :)
10:14<@Belugas>when youstart looking around, you can't jsut be happy with your gear ;)\
10:14*petern puts a couple on his ebay watch
10:15<@petern>not the buy-it-nows with a price higher than regular shops...
10:17<N35>Sir: yeah, im not a whole lot of good at putting it into action, been trying to make a route between two stations, where they go one way on one track, and another way on another track
10:18<N35>I supose im trying too hard to begin with, i had a station with 4 tracks, and 9 trains going to it, across 5 tracks
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10:28<Xaroth>N35: check out openttdcoop, and learn from that
10:29<@petern>yeah
10:29<@petern>learn what not to do
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10:29<Xaroth>petern doesn't like ottdc.
10:29<Ammler>of course he does ;-)
10:29<Xaroth>then again, petern freaks out about typos as well
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10:34<@Belugas>and i freak out about use of U instead or You and such...
10:34<@Belugas>N35, try to read more about signals
10:34<Xaroth>that one i can imagine
10:34<@Belugas>and... try to use double tracks instead of just one
10:34<Xaroth>one track for one way, one track for the other
10:37<@Belugas>yup
10:38<@Belugas>and a back bone connecting multiple stations, NOT just one route to one, and one route to another
10:44<@Belugas>you know what, it sounds fun fun fun.. i should try it one day!
10:44<Eddi|zuHause>hm... the forum is somewhat... unresponsive...
10:45<welshdragon>it's dead
10:45<Born_Acorn>Datacentre issues. When the server is back I'll start them.
10:45<Born_Acorn>Bbl
10:47<planetmaker>not only tt-forums. The German one has problems, too ;)
10:48<Eddi|zuHause>really? that one worked earlier
10:48<planetmaker>I get 403 for the forums themselves there
10:48<Prof_Frink>Eddi|zuHause: The internets are on fire.
10:48<planetmaker>Otherwise it seems to work
10:49<Eddi|zuHause>indeed... strange...
10:49<Eddi|zuHause>maybe it was raided for supporting the pirate party ;)
10:50<planetmaker>:D
10:50<Eddi|zuHause>well, there was a censorship debate going on ;)
10:50<planetmaker>at those forums?
10:50<Eddi|zuHause>yes
10:51<Eddi|zuHause>the thread about "turning off sound"
10:51<planetmaker>I never read there anything except OpenTTD section ;)
10:51<planetmaker>Oh... maybe TTDPatch sometimes
10:51<Prof_Frink>Eddi|zuHause: Yeah, they took it down 'cause of 3407
10:51<Eddi|zuHause>which... kind of escalated
10:51<Eddi|zuHause>Prof_Frink: wrong forum
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11:04<@Belugas>COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:04<@Belugas>HE DID NOT FORGET :D
11:04<Prof_Frink>He is an elephant?
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11:05<fjb>Hello
11:06<@Belugas>well.... he sure has the belly of an helephant ;)
11:06<@Belugas>hello fjb
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11:08<Ammler>sound thread was a nice one. :-)
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11:10<@petern>Belugas, new toy?
11:12<@Belugas>v-amp :D
11:12<@Belugas>the second version
11:12<@Belugas>niiiiice!
11:15<@petern>looks complicated :D
11:18<@Belugas>indeed
11:18<@Belugas>but... 9 different reverbs?
11:18<@Belugas>mmmmh :D
11:19<@Belugas>32 amps, 15 speakers... joy and fun for the next year to come!
11:19<@Belugas>zoom has less, to be honest
11:19<@Belugas>but... zoom is devoted to recording, not effects
11:20<@Belugas>cant wait to get home
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11:25<@petern>well, it's obvious
11:25<@petern>you just chain them together
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11:32*Belugas nods
11:32<@Belugas>mh... no control pedals
11:33<@Belugas>power unit at least
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11:46<@Belugas>footswitches, actually... supposed to be included
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12:00<@petern>yeah
12:00<@petern>hm
12:01<@petern>erk, thunder
12:01<yorick>constantly here
12:07<@Belugas>here too...
12:08<@Belugas>ho... wait... it's my stomack!
12:09<frosch123>no, it's mine
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12:09<@Belugas>we've got a growling concert!
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12:44<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16760 /trunk/src/ (station_base.h station_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: make UpdateStationVirtCoord a function of Station
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13:25<N35>Any chance any of you can recommend an easy map for a beginner?
13:26<Xaroth>N35: check out the OTTDC name.
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13:26<Xaroth>er, s/name/maps
13:27*Xaroth should stop doing multiple convos at a time
13:27<@Belugas>or... start your own, 64*64, all easy settings, no grfs
13:28<Ammler>Xaroth: coop maps isn't really helpful for beginners ;-)
13:28<Ammler>aren't*
13:28<Xaroth>Ammler: depends tbqfh
13:29<gleeb_>Does anyone else find smaller maps harder?
13:29<Ammler>harder?
13:29<@petern>they're simpler, but harder
13:30<Ammler>:-)
13:30<Ammler>it depense on the goals you have.
13:31<N35>Perhaps, im not a complete beginner, I can hold myown against a single player, one the maps i've been playing so far, but Im hopeless at making my rails more efficient, in terms of increasing the amount of trains, but decreasing the amount of rails. For instnace I had a factory that had 8rail station going in, just because I couldnt get it to work with using less, it was connected to four fars, each having two trains
13:31<N35>*fars = farms
13:32<Xaroth>then definitely check the ottdc maps
13:33<Xaroth>N35: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/ProZone:Archive_-_Games_1_-_10
13:33<gleeb_>Ammler: My goals tend to be "Connect everything, be efficient". It's hard to do that with small maps.
13:33<Xaroth>top one sais it all tbh
13:33<Ammler>you should be able to handle ~6 plattforms with one line :-)
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13:34<N35>o.O
13:34<N35>thats insane
13:34<Xaroth>easily
13:38<N35>So, Id have a station at each end, and then 6 trains on that?
13:38<N35>or one station at one end, and 6 stations at the other end
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13:40<Xaroth>if you do multiple stations to one it'll probably be unlikely that you can have them all enter on one line
13:41<Xaroth>unless you make a proper line out of it
13:44<N35>must be my problem then, i keep trying to make too many trains enter the same line, with no line going out, except the one going in as well
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r16762 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt finnish.txt german.txt indonesian.txt russian.txt):
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by Yexo
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: finnish - 32 changes by jpx_
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: german - 47 changes by Roujin, planetmaker
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: indonesian - 16 changes by fanioz
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: russian - 6 changes by Lone_Wolf
13:49<Ammler>N35: I meant 6 plattforms, which are busy all the time, ie. drop, need one line
13:50<Ammler>but as already mentioned, it is another type of gameplay, check www.openttdcoop.org for further details.
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14:27<Alberth>hello all
14:27<yorick>hello Alberth
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14:31<@Belugas>Alberth!
14:31<@Belugas>hello
14:31<frosch123>hmm, judging by my arms being tanned it is obvious where the window in my office is relative to me :s
14:32<@Belugas>:D
14:32<Alberth>tomorrow you should with you back to the screen to get equal tanning :)
14:32<Alberth>+sit
14:33<frosch123>i should not put them next to each other, looks quite silly :p
14:36<dihedral>frosch123, if you take of your shirt at work, you'll get an even fade :-D
14:36*dihedral pokes orudge
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14:43<frosch123>[20:37] * dihedral pokes orudge <- what do you consider to post?
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14:44<dihedral>frosch123, i consider reading
14:44<frosch123>but what? there won't be anything new?
14:44<dihedral>HA... true :-D
14:44<dihedral>hihihi
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15:35<Alberth>dihedral: poking worked
15:36<dihedral>\o/
15:36<dihedral>i knew it was good for something ^^
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16:05<Yexo>good evening
16:06<Alberth>good evening
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16:37<Muxy>hi men, kiss from goulp...
16:39<Muxy>i have a question about network_id
16:39<yorick>ok
16:39<Muxy>hi yorick
16:39<@Rubidium>i have an answer about network_id, might very well not be what you're looking for
16:39<yorick>hi Muxy
16:39<yorick>don't ask to ask, just ask ;)
16:40<Muxy>the answer is that this nid is not unique ?
16:40<yorick>it is not ;)
16:40<yorick>worse, you can set it in config
16:40<Muxy>i didnt search trough all source code, but is this nid used ?
16:42<yorick>I believe it isn't
16:42<dihedral>nope
16:42<dihedral>it's not
16:42<@Rubidium>you expect us to answer a question that you can answer yourself in... 5 seconds?
16:43<Muxy>hum, i have my answer, but i would like it to be confirmed by the ones who knows
16:43<dihedral>@seen someone
16:43<@DorpsGek>dihedral: someone was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 23 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: * Someone here is gay
16:43<dihedral>:-D
16:44*Rubidium thinks there is a chance that Muxy's answer to his question is correct
16:46<Muxy>Thanks Rubidium
16:47*Rubidium assigns Muxy for a probability theory course
16:47<Muxy>why not...
16:49<Muxy>but a irc course would be also good.. i dont know how to think like you ;)
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16:50<@Rubidium>that's probably not related to IRC but to me; lots of others seem to be having trouble thinking like I think
16:50<dihedral>:-D
16:50<dihedral>hehe
16:50<Muxy>they may belong to the same group...
16:52<Muxy>you can do that also, dihedral ?
16:54<Muxy>Hey Yorick, did you see the city mania goal servers ?
16:54<yorick>no
16:55<dihedral>Muxy: everybody can!
16:55<dihedral>even my tcl bot can
16:55<Muxy>check in the server list, server with lot of clients
16:55*yorick finally unignored dihedral :(
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16:56<Muxy>dihedral: sure i can, but for the moment i dont know how to do it.
16:56<dihedral>Muddy, what do you consider 'a lot of clients'??
16:56<Muxy>more than 10 (muxy)
16:57<dihedral>oh - wrong highlight lol
16:57<yorick>muxy: no server with >10 clients with city mania in the name
16:57<Muxy>that one "! Akoz' metropolian server (GOAL)" has 13
16:58<Ammler>he
16:58<planetmaker>I would be surprised if there's more than a handful of servers with > 10 clients
16:58*Ammler downloads buck rogers :-)
16:58<yorick>that's no city mania!
16:58<Ammler>planetmaker: is there one hand?
16:58<Muxy>no but same kind of goal : make a city grows up to 25k people
16:58<planetmaker>I'm surprised
16:59<planetmaker>... by the company counts :P
16:59<yorick>there are 2 fingers ;)
17:00<Muxy>ex's city mania seems to be down
17:00<planetmaker>Non-Dedicated
17:00<planetmaker>ULMENI gaming
17:00<planetmaker> 4 / 10 5 / 8 0.4.5 Password
17:00<planetmaker>^^ they're true retro-gamers, eh?
17:01<yorick>planetmaker: companies: 554 / 1570 (35.29%)
17:01<@Belugas>rock bugers
17:01<yorick>clients: 168 / 7301 (2.30%)
17:01<yorick>spectators: 6 / 3076 (0.20%)
17:03<planetmaker>Hm... goal servers are *really* popular
17:04<Muxy>yet another way of playing OpenTTD
17:04<planetmaker>5/8 of the stable 0.7.1 servers with more or equal than 5 clients
17:05<yorick>planetmaker: goal servers kinda add a goal :p
17:05<yorick> 0.7.1: 66 ( 45.5%), 125 clients
17:05<Muxy>yorick: you have a bot in order to get stats ?
17:05<yorick>Muxy: I have a script, yes :)
17:06<dihedral>yorick, yes, but your python implementation aint the nicest solution :-P
17:07<yorick>dihedral: you would do it better WITH!!!!!!OUT client modification?
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17:07<dihedral>i would not embed python for one thing, as squirrel is available
17:08<Muxy>but squirrel is limited, is'nt it ?
17:08<dihedral>+ i would make sure that certain stuff was not done by openttd
17:08<planetmaker>squirrel is as all things very unlimited :P
17:09<dihedral>i.e. db access has not lost a single tick inside of openttd operations
17:09<yorick>dihedral: that script is pure python
17:09<planetmaker>but is it unlimited but countable or is it even uncountably infinite
17:10<yorick>and threads
17:10<dihedral>yorick, the script is pure python, but what executes the python?
17:10<yorick>dihedral: I mean the stats script
17:10<dihedral>but, it's an implementation ^^
17:11<dihedral>probably one though that will not last past .7.x
17:11<yorick>the stats script not?
17:11<dihedral>embeding python :-P
17:12<yorick>I'm not embedding python (currently)
17:12<yorick>I embedded python for that goal server
17:12<yorick>but the goal server project died
17:12<dihedral>oh
17:13<dihedral>that's a shame
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17:57<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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18:51<Eddi|zuHause>this is bad...
18:51<Eddi|zuHause>the replaced hard drive is causing the same kind of trouble as the old one...
18:52<Nite_Owl>bad MB connection?
18:52<Eddi|zuHause>how would that show?
18:53<Nite_Owl>or bad ribbon cable?
18:53<Eddi|zuHause>and what's a ribbon?
18:54<@Rubidium>maybe they replaced the replacement hard drive by the replaced hard drive
18:54<Nite_Owl>rephrase - bad cable that connects the HD to the MB
18:54<Eddi|zuHause>you can throw around such questions all you want, they mean nothing unless you actually explain them
18:55<Eddi|zuHause>do bad cables make *click* *clack* and then the computer freezes?
18:55<@Rubidium>http://gopaultech.com/files/2009/03/ide-ribbon-cable.jpg
18:55<Eddi|zuHause>it's an SATA disk
18:57<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: does the disk make a TICK TICK sound?
18:57<TrueBrain>like something trying to reset every time?
18:57<Eddi|zuHause>not every time
18:57<TrueBrain>but when the disk stops?
18:57<TrueBrain>as that is a head of the disk failing
18:58<Eddi|zuHause>more like when it's supposed to start again
18:58<TrueBrain>a very distinctive TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK :p
18:58<TrueBrain>(it is the head rewinding and trying to locate the sector again, where the tick is the head hitting the magnet)
18:58<TrueBrain>(his starting position, for that matter)
18:59<TrueBrain>if you know the sound, you will always notice the sound :p
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19:01<Chruker>Coding question: In c++ if I have a variable in a function and in the beginning of the function a value is backed up to the variable. Then the function recursively calls itself a couple of times. And finally the backed up value is then restored. Would that work, so that whatever value was first backed up would be restored?
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19:02<@Rubidium>calling a function does not change the values in the callee's function, unless you pass them by-reference or it's the variable where the return value is stored in
19:03<@Rubidium>values of variables
19:03<Nite_Owl>it becomes a process of elimination Eddi - replace each component or test out each component on another computer
19:03<Nite_Owl>leave the MB for last as that is a pain to replace
19:04<Nite_Owl>if everything else works then it is the MB
19:04<TrueBrain>there is always a change he replaced a bad drive with .. well .. a bad drive :)
19:04<TrueBrain>change = chance ;)
19:04<Nite_Owl>although the click-clack does come across as a HD problem
19:04<@Rubidium>the real question is: is the ticking due to the freezing or the freezing due to the ticking; could be that the disk puts itself into safe mode for some reason
19:05<TrueBrain>if power fails, it makes a single click ;)
19:05<TrueBrain>(electro magnet stopping to function, steady magnet taking in the heads :p)
19:05<Chruker>eddi, maybe your bug migrated from your screen to the harddrive?
19:05<TrueBrain>haha :) Finding a bug inside a harddrive is a nice free disk from your manifacture ;)
19:05<TrueBrain>(it is sealed tight :p)
19:06<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: really? You would need to open it, thus voiding the warranty
19:06<TrueBrain>Rubidium: haha :) Valid argument :p
19:06<Eddi|zuHause>the freezing system is a side effect from the frozen harddrive... like if i try to copy something onto the drive, the system fails to do so, and a few seconds later it freezes
19:07<TrueBrain>linux?
19:07<Chruker>Check that your powersupply isnt broken
19:07<TrueBrain>does tty0 show tons of IO errors?
19:07<Eddi|zuHause>yes, linux
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19:07<TrueBrain>(can't read blabla)
19:07<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: take for example an engine of a car... if a mechanic during a service drops a bearing into the cilinder which destroys the whole cilinder they will still blame the owner of the car for messing with the engine
19:08<Nite_Owl>but the system does boot or do you boot off a different drive
19:08<Eddi|zuHause>no, that's the strange thing... the logs say nothing
19:08<Eddi|zuHause>i boot off a different drive
19:08<TrueBrain>check your smart
19:08<TrueBrain>smartctl -a /dev/sda
19:08<TrueBrain>(or what ever)
19:08<TrueBrain>if there are any ECC or hard errors, it will tell you
19:08<Eddi|zuHause>smartd also did not make any kind of log entry
19:09<TrueBrain>check smartctl to be sure :) smartd doesn't always trigger :p
19:09<Chruker>rubidium, so the local variables are stored like a stack so that one call doesnt interfere with the next?
19:10<@Rubidium>Chruker: yes, that's the case in most computer languages
19:13<TrueBrain>night all
19:13<TrueBrain>good luck Eddi|zuHause
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19:13<Nite_Owl>later TrueBrain
19:13<Eddi|zuHause>Error 12 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 12 hours (0 days + 12 hours)
19:14<Eddi|zuHause>but i don't know what that's supposed to tell me
19:14<Eddi|zuHause> Error: UNC at LBA = 0x000034ac = 13484
19:15<Nite_Owl>I do not know Linux but that looks like a sector error
19:16<Nite_Owl>which would mean a bad platter
19:17<Nite_Owl>I ran into that a while back and had to replace the HD since it could no longer write or read from that sector
19:18<Nite_Owl>and crashed every time it tired to do so
19:18<Nite_Owl>*tried
19:20<Nite_Owl>you could go to the manufacturer's web site and see if they list what an Error 12 is
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19:21<Eddi|zuHause>no, that is just the number of the error, i.e. it's the 12th error logged
19:22<Nite_Owl>well then same idea but try the UNC at LBA etc.
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19:26<peternmob>hurr
19:26<peternmob>Power cut fail :s
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19:30<Nite_Owl>good luck Eddi - I need to feed - later all
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19:43<Eddi|zuHause>Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
19:43<Eddi|zuHause># 1 Short offline Completed: read failure 90% 12 13484
19:43<peternmob>Hurr
19:43<peternmob>Jmirc is shit
19:44<Eddi|zuHause>it starts with "J", it can only be shit...
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19:45<Xaroth>it contains 'mirc', it can only she shit...
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19:46<Eddi|zuHause>can't your device run real programs?
19:47<Eddi|zuHause>as in... linux :p
19:47<Xaroth>irssi++
19:47<peternmob>grrr
19:47<peternmob>Fucking power
19:47<Xaroth>or hell, a ssh client to connect to irssi like i do on my htc magic :P
19:47<peternmob>no, its an e71
19:47<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not sure you're supposed to be fucking a power outlet...
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19:48<Xaroth>http://s2putty.sourceforge.net/
19:48<Xaroth>@ petern
19:48<peternmob>i don't have my ssh key so i can't
19:48<Xaroth>it's putty for Symbian :)
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19:55<peternmob>bah, no multiple servers
19:55<Xaroth>nop
19:56<Xaroth>it's not android's connectbot
19:56*Xaroth <3 connectbot
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19:57<peter__>hah
19:58<peter__>old shwll
19:58<peter__>shell account i remembered about
19:59<peter__>mmm, irssi
19:59<peter__>pah, 1am national anthem
19:59<peter__>short version
20:00<peter__>2hr30 off now
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