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04:25<rasco>SirSquidness: depends which climate
04:25<rasco>SirSquidness: the first train comes 1925
04:25<SirSquidness>I figured out my own question
04:26<SirSquidness>1700 is when the first horse carriages appear
04:26<rasco>you can find out by looking here http://wiki.openttd.org/Vehicles
04:26<rasco>ah, that's egrvts
04:31*SirSquidness nods
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05:26<DephNet[Paul]>SirSquidness, i would say it depends on the grf's you have
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05:39<SirSquidness>DephNet[Paul]: true. only using vanilla though
05:39<DephNet[Paul]>is there horse drawn carrages? didnt know that
05:41<@petern>yeah
05:41<@petern>you're not
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06:03<@petern>now, will that upset stevenh?
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07:25<dragonhorseboy>any of you know whats going on when typing in server_ip in console gets you ''server_bind_ip' is an unknown setting.' instead?
07:27<Noldo>you are typing wrong things
07:28<@Rubidium>more like some aliases that were forgotten to be removed
07:28<dragonhorseboy>noldo..? it used to show the ip in earlier versions or did they change its meaning already
07:29<@petern>ALREADY
07:30<@petern>it used to show the ip you'd specified. now it doesn't.
07:31<dragonhorseboy>rubidium thanks
07:33<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16773 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix (r16014): forgot to remove obsoleted aliases
07:33<dragonhorseboy>well my server's up and showing in openttd.org/servers so i guess thats all I needed :p
07:39<@petern>Current value for 'server_bind_ip' is: '0.0.0.0'
07:39<@petern>^ i don't think it did what you thought
07:45<dragonhorseboy>same error message when i typed server_bind_ip in .. maybe its just something that happened between 0.7.x and IS builds
07:45<@petern>YOU ARE VERY SLOW
07:45<@petern>you could try reading what Rubidium said
07:46<@petern>or wrote
07:46<dragonhorseboy>or YOURS
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08:09<dihedral>mv ./forum-users #openttd !!
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08:20<Eddi|zuHause>petern: have you ever considered letting the grf specify catenary and pylon positions via newgrf callback, and a varaction2 being able to check the 4 adjacent tiles?
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08:22<Eddi|zuHause>basically moving the stuff that elrail.cpp currently does into the grf
08:22<TrueBrain>petern: remember that old problem when visiting http://www.openttd.org and http://bananas.openttd.org after eachother?
08:22<TrueBrain>does that problem still exist?
08:23<@Belugas>hello
08:24<TrueBrain>howdie Belugas
08:24<dragonhorseboy>truebrain...? I don't see any
08:25<TrueBrain>dragonhorseboy: and that is why you are not called petern I guess
08:25<dragonhorseboy>heh
08:25<dragonhorseboy>well I've been using both sites on occassion for a few months
08:27<dragonhorseboy>hey belugas
08:29<@Belugas>howdie, hello coucou and good day!
08:29<dragonhorseboy>coucou?
08:29<dragonhorseboy>just what is that? :P
08:31<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truebrain * r16774 /extra/website/ (30 files in 6 dirs): [Website] -Remove: remove the long gone website
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08:34<dragonhorseboy>hey andy
08:35<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truebrain * r16775 /extra/website/ (109 files in 14 dirs): [Website] -Add: new website on which openttd.org is running for a while now. It is Django (Python) based
08:39<Eddi|zuHause>dragonhorseboy: "coucou" is the sound that the bird that is named after the sound makes
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08:43<Prof_Frink>Cuckoo?
08:44<Eddi|zuHause>Prof_Frink: maybe he is speaking french ;)
08:45<Prof_Frink>| English only :D
08:46<dragonhorseboy>merci prof_frink????
08:46<Eddi|zuHause>that does not apply to quotes
08:46<dragonhorseboy>:P
08:46*TrueBrain makes a dance .. finally the website in SVN :)
08:46<Eddi|zuHause>the bird says "Kuckuck" in german
08:46<dragonhorseboy>cook a dee doo
08:46<TrueBrain>just 2000 lines .. WT3 is bigger :p
08:47<Eddi|zuHause>which may or may not be related to the word "kucken" (or "gucken") for "looking"
08:47<dragonhorseboy>:)
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08:50<@petern>TrueBrain, seems to be working for me at the moment
08:50<TrueBrain>petern: good, tnx!
08:51<@petern>Eddi|zuHause, no, i haven't
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09:22<Eddi|zuHause>yay... i just found money...
09:22<dihedral>\o/
09:22<Eddi|zuHause>about 300 forint, 10 kuna and 70 schilling...
09:23<@Rubidium>value after exchanging... negative
09:23<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, the bank fee probably exceeds the value :p
09:23<Eddi|zuHause>there are some more schilling in coins
09:24<Eddi|zuHause>but banks are unlikely to exchange coins, especially of long obsolete currencies
09:25<Eddi|zuHause>so i'd probably have to go to austria, if i could get it exchanged at all...
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09:27<Eddi|zuHause>so these are 119,70 Schilling
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09:33<Eddi|zuHause>value something about 8 euro...
09:35<Eddi|zuHause>you know what... i just put it back, and i'll find it in another 10 years with the same "yay, i found money"
09:35<TrueBrain>lol
09:35<TrueBrain>crazy person :p
09:36<Eddi|zuHause>hey... every bank would laugh at me if i showed up with 10 euro worth of foreign currency :p
09:37<TrueBrain>I even laugh at you :p
09:37<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, but i don't care about that :p
09:38<TrueBrain>you should
09:38<Eddi|zuHause>every response that i could give now would get me kicked :p
09:38<SirSquidness>except that one ^
09:39<SirSquidness>that response doesn't appear to have bought upon it's creator a kicking.
09:39*SirSquidness hides
09:39<TrueBrain>@kick SirSquidness but yours on the other hand .....
09:39-!-SirSquidness was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [but yours on the other hand .....]
09:39<TrueBrain>that was too easy
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09:39<SirSquidness><3
09:40<Eddi|zuHause>yes, SirSquidness < 3
09:40<Eddi|zuHause>(years in mental age)
09:43<TrueBrain>in theory, the website should now be ready to be translated to various of languages
09:43<TrueBrain>no idea if it is true :p
09:44<SirSquidness>blast, Eddi|zuHause is on to me >.>
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09:53<@Belugas>youhou... joy and pleasure.... please, change this app as a service. thanks. Can i expect it by the end of the day?
09:53<@Belugas>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHH!
09:53<Eddi|zuHause>hehe ;)
09:54<@Rubidium>Belugas: ofcourse he can expect it by the end of the day
09:54<Eddi|zuHause>Belugas: are there actually any cuckoos on the american continent?
09:54<@Rubidium>though it won't become reality, but that's due to his wrong expectations
09:57<@Belugas>hehehe
09:57<@Belugas>Eddi|zuHause, let say that i'
09:57<@Belugas>ll become one pretty soon...
09:57<Eddi|zuHause>laying your eggs in another bird's nest?
09:58<@Belugas>Rubidium, that is my fault... i always do miracles (kinda) so they expect i keep on doing it as "normality"
10:02<TrueBrain>Belugas: that is indeed your fault .. something you should have learnt long ago :p
10:03<@Belugas>yeah...
10:04<@Belugas>so... i guess it's time forv a little reality check for them
10:04<Eddi|zuHause>you haven't listened to mr scott's lesson: always give a much bigger estimate
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10:12<@Belugas>they know how to go around that, Eddi|zuHause. "Give me exact estimate on paper with the hours"
10:12<@Belugas>Kirk never asked that from Scottie ;P
10:13<Eddi|zuHause>"it takes four weeks" - "i give you four hours" - "ok, i'll do it in two"
10:13<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: like estimate * pi^2, right?
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10:14<Eddi|zuHause>we say "pi mal daumen" (pi times thumb) when we do estimates ;)
10:15<@Rubidium>them I've got 'pi daum' ;)
10:20<@Belugas>mmh...
10:20<@Belugas>pee syndrom
10:25<@petern>hmm, our mixer seems wrong
10:25<@petern>or
10:25<@petern>oh no, it's scaled, never mind :)
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10:41<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truebrain * r16776 /extra/website/general/utils/binaries.py: [Website] -Fix: sort the download files correctly (Python hashes don't carry insert sort, but are sorted on their hash value (which is a black box))
10:43<Chruker>whut, no poem with that commit?
10:44<@petern>that noai commit...
10:44<@petern>was
10:44<@petern>a LONG time ago
10:44<Eddi|zuHause>and a special huge commit
10:44<TrueBrain>who would have guessed it would leave such impression :p
10:45<Eddi|zuHause>only to one person :p
10:45<TrueBrain>I count 3 by my math
10:46<Eddi|zuHause>i only remember it because someone mentioned it a few days ago
10:46<Chruker><<
10:46<TrueBrain>even I don't remember what you are talking about :p
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10:53<Eddi|zuHause>he only thinks the poem is special because he hasn't seen the "hidden features" commits yet ;)
11:05<welshdragon>can you only have 1 dock per city?
11:05<welshdragon>oh, wait, not per city
11:05<welshdragon>per station :P
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11:21<@Belugas>shit...
11:21<@Belugas>REQ is not the same interop
11:21<@Belugas>25 minutes wasted
11:22<@petern>:s
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12:09<frosch123>dihedral: are you volunteering to become a European translator?
12:09<dihedral>yeah - i noticed that too :-D
12:09<dihedral>fuck :-D
12:14<@petern>?
12:14<frosch123>take a look at his signature
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12:15<@petern>dihedral, write me a cheque and sign it, eh?
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12:16<dihedral>why the hell would i do that petern?
12:16<@petern>so i can see your signature
12:16<dihedral>...
12:18<@Belugas>and we're good at dealing with signatures..
12:36<Eddi|zuHause>my freezing problem could be related to a broken usb port...
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13:09<NeO_Anderson>hello dudes, how can I get "Goals" onto the server? so that for example, if players reach 100million they win? and game restarts or something?
13:10<Eddi|zuHause>must be done with a patch... i have seen servers that do that, but never have seen an actual patch for it
13:10<@Belugas>you have to have a server that has been modified for that purpose
13:12<NeO_Anderson>hmm
13:12<NeO_Anderson>have you heard of this python bot?
13:13<TrueBrain>it shoots people
13:13<TrueBrain>very annoying
13:13<NeO_Anderson>its supposidly a bot for openttd
13:13<planetmaker>straight from the future.
13:13<Eddi|zuHause>no, he means babyottd ;)
13:13<@Belugas>and it bites too...
13:13<NeO_Anderson>but im unsure as to what its purpose is....
13:13<@Belugas>ennoy people...
13:13<NeO_Anderson>openttd-python its called
13:13<NeO_Anderson>annoy people?
13:13<NeO_Anderson>how?
13:13<planetmaker>NeO_Anderson, ask yorick about it
13:13<NeO_Anderson>what does it do? lol
13:13<@Belugas>Hannoy tours
13:13<TrueBrain>why you ask us?
13:14<planetmaker>afaik it died
13:14<TrueBrain>poor thing
13:14<@Belugas>a shame... hihihihihih
13:14<Eddi|zuHause>you want to tour to Hanoi?
13:14<planetmaker>yes.... :P
13:14<NeO_Anderson>because I figured if anyones gonner know anything about it, would be someone in the #openttd lobby
13:14<planetmaker>I want the towers of Hanoi
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13:14<TrueBrain>if it doesn't have a website, it is not worth using
13:15<NeO_Anderson>it semi-does lol
13:15<NeO_Anderson>am I allowed to post links?
13:15<Eddi|zuHause>some monks are doing the towers of hanoi with 64 pieces... it is said when they are done, the world is going to end
13:15<TrueBrain>and if it has a website, the question is silly
13:15<NeO_Anderson>it semi-has a website
13:15<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: if those 64 pieces are intact?
13:16<NeO_Anderson>it's not a full blown "I offer this" "Heres how you install it" site...
13:16<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: what?
13:16<TrueBrain>so not worth it :)
13:16<NeO_Anderson>all it does is offer the code in individual files
13:16<NeO_Anderson>and thats well.... it..
13:16<NeO_Anderson>lol
13:16<TrueBrain>[19:15] <Eddi|zuHause> some monks are doing the towers of hanoi with 64 pieces... it is said when they are done, the world is going to end
13:16<@petern>haha, low latency openttd audio :D
13:16<TrueBrain>I wonder if those 64 pieces should remain intact when they reach the destination
13:17<Eddi|zuHause>i still don't understand what you are trying to say
13:17<planetmaker>NeO_Anderson, sure you may post links. If on-topic ;)
13:17<TrueBrain>monks
13:17<TrueBrain>64 pieces
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13:17<TrueBrain>pieces need to be in one piece
13:17<TrueBrain>when finished?
13:17<TrueBrain>my english bad today
13:18<TrueBrain>sorry that about
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13:18<Nite_Owl>Hello all
13:18<@petern>(also, mixed at 96kHz)
13:18<@petern>(floating point)
13:18<planetmaker>hello early Owl ;)
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13:19<Nite_Owl>Hello planetmaker
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13:24<TrueBrain>bah, the package I ordered in Germany 3 days ago is still not on transport :'(
13:25<frosch123>your ordered online? then - of course - your order first needs checking by the ministry of interior
13:25<planetmaker>frosch123, even worse. _He_ has to be checked by them.
13:26<planetmaker>If it's fertilizer he might be a terrorist in disguise :P
13:26<TrueBrain>it is a surround system, I dunno if you can do any terrorist acts with that :p
13:26<TrueBrain>maybe if you make the subwoofer go below 20Hz
13:26<TrueBrain>you can kill a few people with that I guess ...
13:27<planetmaker>definitely. The horns(?) of Jericho
13:27<planetmaker>It's a siege weapon, I believe
13:29<frosch123>maybe, if you put it in the basement of a skyscraper, you can damage the foundation and make it collapse
13:29<TrueBrain>THAT is what they did with the WTC ...
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13:30<frosch123>yeah, they played breakbeat in the basement for 10 years
13:30<TrueBrain># I don't want to break these chains
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13:30<TrueBrain>@mode +b ~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk
13:30-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] by DorpsGek
13:30<TrueBrain>too many hit and runs over the last day ....
13:31<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: they could as well been some kind of cannon...
13:31*SpComb listens to some breakbeat
13:32<Eddi|zuHause>even if it was 7000 years ago...
13:32<TrueBrain>the earth only exists for 6000 years
13:32<TrueBrain>didn't you pay attention in your bible class?
13:32<@Rubidium>not 7 days?
13:32<@Belugas>huu???
13:32<TrueBrain>I remember the week before last, so no, not 7 days
13:32<Eddi|zuHause>well, "years" in the bible often refer to "moon-years" (i.e. months)
13:32<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: NO! FALSE!
13:33<TrueBrain>the earth exists for no more than 6000 years!
13:33<TrueBrain>AND I DO NOT WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT IT
13:33<TrueBrain>(sorry, it always makes me laugh, the sillyness of people with their idea of time)
13:33<@petern>hm, i don't understand MAX_VOLUME :s
13:33<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: no, your knowledge of the last few days has been planted by GOD
13:33<TrueBrain>Rubidium: ah, of course, my mistake
13:33<TrueBrain>then why would I exist more than 1 minute?
13:33<TrueBrain>or second?
13:33<TrueBrain>or nanosecond?
13:34<TrueBrain>in fact, did I exist at all, a few nanoseconds ago?
13:34<frosch123>who cares since when the earth exists? ttd exists only for 15 years
13:34<TrueBrain>and will I believe alive in the few to come?
13:34<TrueBrain>frosch123: haha! Very good point :)
13:34<@petern>-16384 to 16384 is... 15 bit audio?
13:34<TrueBrain>believe = be
13:34<TrueBrain>lol
13:34<@petern>(nearly)
13:34<Eddi|zuHause>and also... the creationist "seven days" were seven god-days... how dare they assume that one god-day equals one man-day?
13:34<TrueBrain>-16384 to 16384? That doesn't make sense in any bit-value
13:35<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: I couldn't agree more :)
13:35<Eddi|zuHause>for all we know, god went to rest on the seventh day
13:35<@petern>yeah, i know, 15 bit + 1; p
13:35<Eddi|zuHause>who said that day is already over for him?
13:35<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: and in fact .. who cares? Does it change anything?
13:35<@petern>but generally
13:36<@petern>if you're doing 16 bit audio, you want -32768 to 32767, no?
13:36<TrueBrain>why is Evolution Theory incompatible with The Bible?
13:36<TrueBrain>petern: sane people
13:36<@petern>(or, i supposes -32767, just to make it even)
13:36<@petern>TrueBrain, openttd is not sane then :s
13:37<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: it is not... it is incompatible with some interpretation of the seventh (mis-)translation of the bible
13:37<TrueBrain>petern: really? :p
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13:37<Eddi|zuHause>from gods point of view, the whole evolution could have been one day
13:40<TrueBrain>and again .. who cares :) Not that it changes anything ....
13:40<TrueBrain>but okay :)
13:44<@Belugas>funny how people are quick to decide what God(s) think... or did
13:44<TrueBrain>Belugas: what always scares me the most is how quick people truly believe that what they think is what God thinks ...
13:44<TrueBrain>what an argogants :(
13:45<TrueBrain>arrogants
13:45<TrueBrain>arogants
13:45<TrueBrain>what ever
13:45<TrueBrain>stupid word
13:45<@Belugas>freaks
13:45<@Belugas>easier ;)
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r16777 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: catalan - 65 changes by arnaullv
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 4 changes by ww9980
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: finnish - 2 changes by jpx_
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: german - 65 changes by Roujin
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: icelandic - 4 changes by baldur
13:46*TrueBrain hugs WT3
13:46<TrueBrain>you good boy
13:47<@Belugas>mmh... which reminds me i still don't remember my wt3 password...
13:47<TrueBrain>not so smart of you
13:47<Ammler>hehe, you aren't the first, who forgot that ;-)
13:48<TrueBrain>Ammler: no, you shared your password
13:48<TrueBrain>and someone changed it
13:48<Ammler>no
13:48<TrueBrain>that is a completely different story
13:48<TrueBrain>and much more stupid
13:48<Ammler>well, sharing yes, but nobody changed it.
13:48<@Belugas>my password was a logical one, that i remember
13:48<TrueBrain>Ammler: sure, you all decided to forget it ...
13:48<@Belugas>must have wrote it in a hurry, as always...
13:49<TrueBrain>Belugas: try the name of your kid
13:49<@Belugas>mephisto?
13:49<@Belugas>yeh..good idea
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13:51<@Belugas>naaaaa....
13:51<frosch123>your wife, your guitar, your amplifier, your boss?
13:51<TrueBrain>'openttd'
13:51<TrueBrain>'wt3rules'
13:51<TrueBrain>'Ilovetruebrain'
13:51<@Belugas>"jamwithpetern"
13:52<Sacro>"imissbjarni"
13:52<Eddi|zuHause>the beauty of trying to have a different password on 300 different sites ;))
13:52*Sacro misses Bjarni :(
13:52<Sacro>@seen Bjarni
13:52<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 5 days, 18 hours, 16 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Bjarni> eventually
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13:52<TrueBrain>Sacro: that is fixable
13:52<frosch123>haaai alberth
13:52<TrueBrain>This reminds me ....
13:52<Alberth>haai
13:52<Eddi|zuHause>the master of famous-last words :)
13:53*Sacro hugs Eddi|zuHause \
13:53<Eddi|zuHause>o//
13:53<frosch123>@seen celestar
13:53<@DorpsGek>frosch123: celestar was last seen in #openttd 11 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 55 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <Celestar> morning
13:54<frosch123>that one?
13:54<Eddi|zuHause>(that is the me-trying-to-evade-hugs-smilie)
13:55<@Belugas>TrueBrain, useless. when you'll have ther time (or an excess of boredom), can you zap my account?
13:55<@Belugas>or give me my pw...
13:55<TrueBrain>Belugas: that is kind of the problem ... I can't really do much for you :p
13:55<TrueBrain>besides putting another passwords has over it ... :p
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13:57<TrueBrain>changed password of my account, copied the sha1 hash, put that in your account, changed my password back
13:57<TrueBrain>I guess that should work :p
13:59<@Belugas>does, does
13:59<@Belugas>thanks thanks
13:59<frosch123>what is it? "iwillneveragainforgetmypassword" ?
14:00<@petern>jam?
14:01<TrueBrain>frosch123stinkswhenyouarewalkingtooclosetohim
14:01<TrueBrain>but it was too long
14:01<frosch123>:'(
14:01<@petern>right, 16384*128 for scaling works
14:02<@petern>instead of 65536*256, which is blatantly wrong
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14:05<@petern>hmm, maybe not :p
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14:46<TrueBrain>poor Belugas
14:46<TrueBrain>Canada is cut off from the Internet now I guess
14:49<Alberth>or we are
14:49<TrueBrain>point of reference
14:49<TrueBrain>fair enough
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14:52<TrueBrain>welcome back Belugas :)
14:52<TrueBrain>we ALMOST missed you :p
14:52<frosch123>be careful, he might got replaced by aliens
14:52<TrueBrain>that is a chance we have to take :p
14:53<@Belugas>the fairie electricy smashed me :S
14:53<Nite_Owl>a Belugas pod
14:53<TrueBrain>don't put knifes in a socket ...
14:53<TrueBrain>it can never be a good thing ...
14:54<@Belugas>i was just reading some code!
14:54<TrueBrain>SURE!
14:54<TrueBrain>I don't believe you
14:54<TrueBrain>proof me wrong!
14:56<@Belugas>i found out that the reason the customer had a bug is that he put the sku of a non listed marker in the field reserved for special orders, which he does not use
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14:57<@Belugas>a feature I added 6 releases after the one he received
14:57<@Belugas>feature is: do not allow direct nonlisted prod scanning in entry bar
14:57<TrueBrain>I have read a lot of greek in my life, but this is really greek to me
14:58<@Belugas>you're not a POS guy, and you're not in my shoes ;)
14:58<TrueBrain>but I am happy for you you found that problem ;)
14:59<frosch123>a problem which he fixed six years ago?
14:59<frosch123>that is no fun finding
15:00<@Belugas>well... contrary to OTTD, our rate of releases is quite high ;)
15:00<@Belugas>was about 9 months ago :)
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15:02<TrueBrain>ghehe
15:02<TrueBrain>poor Belugas
15:02<TrueBrain>I just opened a candy, and the inner seal was broken
15:02<TrueBrain>and it looked very ...
15:02<TrueBrain>bah!
15:02<TrueBrain>going to bring that back tomorrow :s
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15:41<@petern>lol
15:41<@petern>libsamplerate on highest quality
15:41<@petern>needs, er, caching really :p
15:42<@petern>nice lovely smooth output though
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15:53<CIA-1>OpenTTD: alberth * r16778 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Split window initialization in a data part and a size/position part.
15:57<CIA-1>OpenTTD: alberth * r16779 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix: Take real smallest size of nested widgets into account for initial window position.
15:59<@Belugas>why is it that the song you want to hear, suddenly, is never on the collection you pop in???
15:59<TrueBrain>Belugas: Murphies law?
16:03<@petern>*cough* streaming mp3
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16:14<nicfer>hmmm... most buses in newgrfs have max speeds up to 200kmh or more, but they never reach that point because of curves
16:14<nicfer>funny
16:14<@petern>well
16:14<@petern>you try going round 90° bend at 200km/h
16:15<Nite_Owl>what newgrfs are you looking at
16:15<Eddi|zuHause>ever tried speeding through a cloverleaf? :p
16:15<nicfer>well, it also forces you use strategies
16:16<nicfer>build highways with the least amount of curves and send there the faster buses
16:16<Nite_Owl>I have seen 75 MPH for long distance coaches but nothing as fast as 200 KPH
16:17<nicfer>for interurban transport, send the slower, higher capacity ones
16:17<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: not personnaly, but the result usually is the same... it makes the clover leaf, but massive damage due to using the guard rail or it doesn't make it and ends up ON the guard rail or it doesn't make it and ends up 'molded' around a tree or in a ditch
16:17<Eddi|zuHause>speed limit for busses is 120km/h here
16:18<nicfer>well, in game there's no 'reality', but I'm not going anywhere ahead
16:18<nicfer>here max speed of buses is 90kmh
16:18<nicfer>trucks 80
16:18<@petern>Nite_Owl, lv4 has fast buses
16:18<nicfer>in highways and routes
16:19<nicfer>in city, 60kmh for avenues and 40kmh for smaller roads
16:19<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: there's one problem with that limit... a car with caravan may only do 100 (if 'approved') so when a bus is overtaking another bus you can't use the draft of them to economically make your trip through Germany
16:19<nicfer>also, in highways the max speed for cars varies between 110 to 130kmh
16:20*Eddi|zuHause thinks of clever remark about dutch person with caravan
16:20<TrueBrain>I know a few
16:20<nicfer> /stop_offtopic
16:20<TrueBrain>when were we ontopic?
16:20<Eddi|zuHause>the topic is what is actually being talked about
16:20<@Rubidium>going from 90 km/h to 110 km/h when releasing the throttle on a flat road just because a bus is overtaking another one
16:23<CIA-1>OpenTTD: alberth * r16780 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Add [FS#3015]: Allow the AI Debug Window to become sticky.
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16:23<Eddi|zuHause><TrueBrain> I know a few <-- it's a cliché for a reason ;)
16:24<TrueBrain>@mode -b ~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk
16:24-!-mode/#openttd [-b *!~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] by DorpsGek
16:24<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: really? :P
16:29<@Belugas>bye bye!!!
16:29<TrueBrain>bye Belugas :)
16:29<@Rubidium>night Belugas
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16:50<Eddi|zuHause>why does Belugas' night always start way before any european's night in here? :p
16:51<TrueBrain>because he is CRAZY
16:51<TrueBrain>I AM TELLING YOU! CRAZY!!
16:52<Noldo>almost midnight is night enough for me
16:52<z-MaTRiX>hey
16:52<Noldo>and I do consider myself european eventhough me were under heavy soviet influency until 1995
16:53<@petern>Eddi|zuHause, he had a wife & kid
16:53<@petern>Eddi|zuHause, therefore, after work is... not his own time
16:53<@petern>had?
16:53<@petern>obviously *has*
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17:53<Ammler>opengfx complete? http://img.ammler.ch/?v=opengfxcom.png
17:54<@Rubidium>never! :)
17:55<Ammler>:-D
17:56<TrueBrain>Ammler: only the opntitle.dat begin position .. doesn't mean much :p
17:56<TrueBrain>I have to say... never expected to see it anywhere NEAR finished :p
17:57<@Rubidium>I suggest that you make the changelog's formatting somewhat uniform
17:57<Ammler>well, at least the temperate and arctic is done for first beta, foobar will release alpha5 tonight
17:57<dihedral>and monorail still looks ugly :-D
17:57<Ammler>no, they are plain awesome
17:58<dihedral>they are ugly
17:58<TrueBrain>I have to go with awesome too
17:58<Ammler>well, you might have blaubus grf in mind.
17:58<TrueBrain>maglev on the other hand ...
17:58<Ammler>very nice
17:58<TrueBrain>I expected true maglev .. in other words: ABOVE ground
17:59<Ammler>maybe I have something misscoded, but Born Acorn made nice sprites.
17:59<TrueBrain>maglev 45 degree looks ugly
17:59<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: what is "true" maglev?
17:59<TrueBrain>(Right of menu)
17:59<TrueBrain>Rubidium: well .. 'real life' maglev
17:59<@Rubidium>I'm aware of at least 2 ways
17:59<TrueBrain>both German as Japan has it above ground on pilars
17:59<dihedral>oh - sorry
18:00<dihedral>i was confusing monorail and maglev
18:00<dihedral>maglev looks ugly :-D
18:00<TrueBrain>on that I agree dihedral
18:00<TrueBrain>well .. as ugly as the real game :p
18:00<dihedral>worse :-P
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18:01<dihedral>maglev looks square ^^
18:02<Ammler>you both mean the tracks, I guess?
18:02<TrueBrain>yes
18:02<Ammler>well, there also the drawer agrees
18:02<Ammler>iirc from forum.
18:02<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: that you see them in Japan only on pilars doesn't say much about whether it is pilar based or not; lots and lots of Shinkansen track are elevated too, primarily because it goes through very hilly areas, thus tunnel-bridge-tunnel-bridge-...
18:03<TrueBrain>Rubidium: even so; they both are with the idea the train itself is linked over a rail
18:03<TrueBrain>not inside a tube
18:04<@Rubidium>the German one 'grabs' around the train, the Japanese one has a U shaped track with the train running inside the 'U'
18:05<TrueBrain>http://www.chinapage.com/road/maglev/maglev02.jpg (China :p)
18:05<@Rubidium>that's the 'Germany' system
18:05<@Rubidium>i.e. it grabs the track
18:05<TrueBrain>http://www.sustainablecitiesnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/_38643255_maglev_train5_300.jpg
18:05<TrueBrain>to be more exact ;)
18:06<@Rubidium>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/JR_Maglev-Lev.png <- the Japanese version
18:07<TrueBrain>hmm, thought they left that behind
18:07<TrueBrain>okay, fair enough
18:07<TrueBrain>it still amazes me it is in a game from 1995 ... ;)
18:08<Ammler>if there would be a solution for the signals, we could use foobar transrapid: http://ttd.jaspervries.nl/wiki/index.php?title=TransRapid_Track_Set
18:09<TrueBrain>nice 404
18:09<TrueBrain>I tihnk we should do that too yes
18:09<Ammler>oh :-(
18:10<KenjiE20><TrueBrain> it still amazes me it is in a game from 1995 ... ;) <-- well, they Have been running test cars on it since the 70's :)
18:10<TrueBrain>even so
18:10<TrueBrain>it amazes me
18:10<TrueBrain>he just got the introduction date wrong
18:10<KenjiE20>hehe
18:10<@Rubidium>what intro date wasn't wrong?
18:10<Ammler>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=638985
18:11<TrueBrain>if I would have a big CD collection, what digital format would you advise which preserves the quality as good as possible?
18:11<Tefad>lossless
18:11<Tefad>any of them.
18:11<Tefad>FLAC is pretty universal however
18:11<TrueBrain>so WAV :p
18:11*KenjiE20 uses ogg or flac, depending how much I care at the time :P
18:11<TrueBrain>Ammler: much better ;)
18:11<Ammler>yeah, but what with the signals?
18:11*Tefad reminds KenjiE20 that Ogg is a container format. Vorbis is Xiph's lossy audio codec.
18:11<TrueBrain> what if I tell you guys I don't know flac? :p
18:12<KenjiE20>true dat
18:12<@Rubidium>encoding them in some manner lossless and get that integrated in the Linux kernel's git repository; instant free distributed backup
18:12<Tefad>hah
18:12<TrueBrain>Rubidium: OpenTTD good enough too?
18:12<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: no
18:12<TrueBrain>the release size would grow .. say .. 20 GB?
18:12<KenjiE20>http://www.freerip.com/ <--- use rip enjoy
18:12<@Rubidium>not enough people use it
18:12<Tefad>ewww
18:12<Tefad>use CDEX
18:12<Tefad>or uh what's that otherone
18:13<TrueBrain>I always used CDEX in my life :p
18:13<TrueBrain>but I am on linux nowedays
18:13<Tefad>it works in wine
18:13<Tefad>ah EAC is the other one
18:13<Tefad>exact audio copy
18:14<Tefad>if you really want to back up a cd to your fullest ability, you should make sure you offsets are configured
18:14<TrueBrain>FLAC average compression rate is 47% ..
18:14<TrueBrain>wonder if I could not just keep the WAV :p
18:14<Tefad>you can't tag wav files
18:14<KenjiE20>if you REALLY want to back up a CD to it's fullest, make an ISO :P
18:14<TrueBrain>very true
18:14<TrueBrain>I don't want to make backups
18:14<Tefad>CD has no ISO format
18:15<Tefad>CD DA rather
18:15<TrueBrain>I dislike putting CDs in a stereo over and over
18:15<TrueBrain>so it really is playback only
18:15<TrueBrain>the CDs are the backups :p
18:15<Tefad>to future-proof transoding in the future, use flac
18:15<Tefad>transcoding rather
18:15<TrueBrain>flac seems very reasonable yes
18:15<Tefad>for example, what if MP3 support goes out in favor of say.. AAC
18:15<TrueBrain>I am so annoyed by the quality when I download an album (too lazy to rip, or even buy a CD)
18:15<@Rubidium>what? mplayer can't play isos?
18:15<Tefad>or some next-gen codec
18:16<Tefad>you can't make an ISO of an audio CD
18:16<Tefad>audio has no file system
18:16<TrueBrain>I wonder .. are there 5.1 (DTS, DD) records of normal music albums?
18:16<Tefad>or file structure
18:16<KenjiE20>TB; yup
18:16<Tefad>you're thinking DVD-A
18:16<Tefad>those aren't CDs.
18:16<TrueBrain>I am not thinking anything :p
18:16<TrueBrain>Tefad: CDs are just the medium, I don't care :p
18:16<KenjiE20>Pink Floyd's Pulse probably had one
18:16<KenjiE20>has*
18:16<TrueBrain>I just wonder if I should consider that
18:17<Tefad>well CDDA is a wonky medium ; )
18:17<Tefad>the bits just sit there on the disk with a TOC
18:17<TrueBrain>first real use of the CD :)
18:17<TrueBrain>took a while for the industry to adept and see the potential
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18:17<Tefad>real file systems make more sense these days
18:17<TrueBrain>but by then ... CDDA were widely used
18:18<TrueBrain>I remember my first double (!) speed CD-Rom player
18:18<Tefad>also these days we often lossily encode the contents
18:18<TrueBrain>it was almost a year after I had my first CD Audio Player :p
18:18<Tefad>my first computer had a 2X CD-ROM
18:18<Tefad>it was my first CD audio player
18:18<TrueBrain>either way, KenjiE20, you named one ... are there any more?
18:18<Tefad>those drives did not support digital reading.. only analog out
18:18<TrueBrain>or is DTS/DD in music just something that would never really happen? :)
18:18<Tefad>"playback" only
18:19<KenjiE20>not a clue tbh
18:19<Tefad>my last CD purchase was a hybrid disc
18:19<Tefad>non-conforming CDDA (polymer was too thin) and had DVD on the flipside
18:19<KenjiE20>I presume anything that has a new fangled concert DVD may have a DVDA counterpart
18:19<Tefad>which contained AC3 encoded stuff and some videos
18:20<TrueBrain>DTS-CD :) Hehe
18:20<Tefad>actually i've seen those
18:20<Tefad>i tink
18:20<Tefad>think.
18:20<TrueBrain>DVD-A made them obselete
18:20<Tefad>yeah
18:20<Tefad>DTS-CD was a horrible idea ; )
18:20<Tefad>but still interesting
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18:21<TrueBrain>basicly, I want to put my (mostly illegal) music collection in hard legal versions .. I wonder where to look for ;)
18:22<TrueBrain>(and the 'hard' part refers to: no iTunes shit or any other (past) DRM enabled online store)
18:23<Ammler>how can a music collection be illegal?
18:23<Ammler>didn't you share?
18:23<KenjiE20>Music Search for "DVD-Audio" at amazon yields 10,891 results
18:23<TrueBrain>Ammler: well, in my country it is legal for now, as I only downloaded it
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18:23<TrueBrain>but still .. you know what I mean ;)
18:23<TrueBrain>KenjiE20: wow .. that is a bunch more then I expected
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18:24<KenjiE20>yea
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18:24<TrueBrain>I guess FLAC can't store that? :p
18:24<KenjiE20>afk for a bit
18:27<TrueBrain>I guess for DVD-A making it a .iso is the best way to go :p
18:29<TrueBrain>k, tnx Tefad and KenjiE20
18:30<TrueBrain>now a decent music player ..... :p
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18:30<TrueBrain>one where my media keys work ...
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18:40<TrueBrain>good night all
18:41<TrueBrain>_Muddy: briliant domain
18:41<KenjiE20>did you pick a player?
18:41<dihedral>:-D
18:41<dihedral>that IS a nice domain :-P
18:41<TrueBrain>KenjiE20: nope
18:42<dihedral>he has a nice website too
18:42<KenjiE20>imo mpd and amarok are probably the nicer ones (mpd simply being a daemon with multiple frontends)
18:42<TrueBrain>I used mpd for ages
18:42<TrueBrain>but on big collections it tends to be unmanagable
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18:42<TrueBrain>using Songbird now, but it sucks
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18:42<KenjiE20>still as bad as 0.3 or whatever from a while back?
18:43<TrueBrain>it is like itunes now
18:43<TrueBrain>but iTunes sucks too
18:43<KenjiE20>bleh
18:43<TrueBrain>I want something like foobar for linux I guess :p
18:43<KenjiE20>heh foobar ^_^
18:43<TrueBrain>I wonder if FLAC works on my ipod ..
18:43<TrueBrain>guess not
18:44<KenjiE20>amarok was good, haven't tried amarok2 though
18:44<TrueBrain>and rockbox doesn't work on my ipod nano :(
18:46<TrueBrain>oeh, it does, I have a 1st gen :) Cool :p
18:48<TrueBrain>oh well, bed time
18:48<TrueBrain>night
18:48<KenjiE20>night
18:49<Eddi|zuHause>i thought CDs store basically the WAV data
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18:51<Eddi|zuHause>i use amarok 1.4
18:52<Eddi|zuHause>but 10.000 songs are probably not considered a big collection nowadays
18:53<Eddi|zuHause>something always keeps me from switching to kde4 apps
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21:01<Zuu>Nooo, daily backup of tt-forums, and it is not even close to night over here in west Canada.
21:01<@Belugas>nor in east canada ;)
21:01<@Belugas>but i guess we are in minority
21:02<@Belugas>therefor, the time is well chosen ^_^
21:02<@Belugas>unless if the backup is pushed like... 3 hours later
21:02<Zuu>hehe, yea. But even usually when I am in Europe I'm sometimes awake when the backup is made.
21:03<@Belugas>hoooo... mister globe trotter...
21:03<Zuu>But here its only 6 pm, so you should be eating dinner or so not checking tt-forums anyways.
21:03*Belugas is going down, tv
21:03<@Belugas>it's 21:00h after all..
21:03<Zuu>Oh, have a nice TV time
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23:47<bp0>hello, how to get the music in llinux?
23:48<bp0>i have copied the music to gm
23:48<bp0>also the "content downloading" box has a grey-out download button
23:48<bp0>so is unusable
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