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04:45<ZxBiohazardZx>hello
04:45<ZxBiohazardZx>anyone here can help me with a patch?
04:45<ZxBiohazardZx>smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff
04:45<ZxBiohazardZx>i cant apply teh darn patch, and i dont understand why i cannot do it
04:46<ZxBiohazardZx>i just got myself a clean trunk and latest revision
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04:46<@Rubidium>patch -p1?
04:47<ZxBiohazardZx>im using tha tortoise differ:P
04:47<@Rubidium>i.e. tortoisesvn apply
04:47<@Rubidium>+won't
04:47<ZxBiohazardZx>yes i did, but its empty XD
04:47<ZxBiohazardZx>yes it wont work with tortoise:)
04:48<ZxBiohazardZx>1) why not the previous version did....2) what other program can i use as complete n00b
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04:48<@Rubidium>ZxBiohazardZx: because TortoiseSVN requires a *very* specific format patch files...
04:49<@Rubidium>... and that patch isn't in that specific format
04:49<ZxBiohazardZx>@rubidium, yes but the previous patch files in there had that:(
04:49<ZxBiohazardZx>how can i patch it then?
04:49<@Rubidium>you need 'patch'
04:49<ZxBiohazardZx>where i get thatXD
04:49<ZxBiohazardZx>and is it just as "easy"
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04:50<@Rubidium>depends what you call easy
04:50<ZxBiohazardZx>cause i use tortoise svn and meush's guide
04:50<ZxBiohazardZx>i think MINGW was a hell XD but i figured that out
04:50<ZxBiohazardZx>so just point me to the right program
04:50<ZxBiohazardZx>and ill try wikiing my way through:P
04:51<@Rubidium>http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/patch.htm
04:51<ZxBiohazardZx>download "complete package except sources" ?
04:52<@Rubidium>depends on whether you want to compile it yourself or not
04:52<ZxBiohazardZx>no i hate compiling:P
04:52<ZxBiohazardZx>i think i got it running:P installed that is
04:54<ZxBiohazardZx>alright it opens some sort of command prompt window (correct?)
04:54<@Rubidium>well, it's a command line tool
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04:54<ZxBiohazardZx>XD
04:54<ZxBiohazardZx>so yeah command prompt would be right:P
04:54<ZxBiohazardZx>alright now i got to browse my way to the "trunk" dir?
04:55<@Rubidium>yup
04:55<ZxBiohazardZx>cd c:/ etc?
04:55<ZxBiohazardZx>zomg that doesnt do shit XD
04:57<ZxBiohazardZx>eeehm how do i browse dirs in the patch prog?
04:57<ZxBiohazardZx>cause i get a command prompt, but no feedback in it at all
04:59<@Rubidium>see the 'how to apply patch' thread on the forum
04:59<ZxBiohazardZx>@rubidium got any guide or so to using this program, cause wiki only points to tortoise :(
04:59<@petern>open a command window
04:59<ZxBiohazardZx>i have the command window opened
04:59<@petern>go to your source tree
04:59<@petern>run patch there
04:59<ZxBiohazardZx>i cant get to tree
05:00<ZxBiohazardZx>i cant even browse
05:00<@petern>no
05:00<ZxBiohazardZx>ow wait you want me to plain run cmd
05:00<@petern>run a command window
05:00<ZxBiohazardZx>not the binary
05:00<ZxBiohazardZx>kk
05:00<@petern>fuck sake
05:00<@petern>do people know fucking nothing about anything these days
05:00<ZxBiohazardZx>hey im complete n00b, kk
05:00<@petern>fucking idiots
05:00<ZxBiohazardZx>petern nothing about this on the wiki
05:00<@petern>BASIC FUCKING PC KNOWLEDGE IMBECILE
05:00<ZxBiohazardZx>and thx for flaming, im trying to learn:)
05:00<ZxBiohazardZx>i know how to get my cmd kkthx
05:00<TrueBrain>petern: please don't forget to take your pills
05:00<TrueBrain>like .. every hour
05:00<@petern>TrueBrain, shit
05:01<@petern>yeah
05:01<@petern>sorry ZxBiohazardZx man
05:01<ZxBiohazardZx>but nobody told me to start cmd, i though you wanted me to get the patch-prog-cmd
05:01<ZxBiohazardZx>:)
05:01<ZxBiohazardZx>kk im in the trunk dir:)
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05:01<ZxBiohazardZx>fuck lol i suck @ cmd:P
05:01<TrueBrain>Get a good book, I say :)
05:01<@petern>then it's something like "patch -p1 < \path\to\patch.diff"
05:01<ZxBiohazardZx>its cd c:/ right? (to get to c:\ from c:\ bla bal bla
05:02<@petern>oh
05:02<ZxBiohazardZx>XD yes:)
05:02<ZxBiohazardZx>sweet:)
05:02<ZxBiohazardZx>i can do this:P
05:02<@petern>lol
05:02<ZxBiohazardZx>im in trunk dir:)
05:02<@petern>what a moment i had
05:02*petern goes to get a coffee
05:02<ZxBiohazardZx>hehe
05:02<TrueBrain>petern: get one for me too please
05:02<ZxBiohazardZx>skip me:)
05:02<ZxBiohazardZx>i already have mine:)
05:02<ZxBiohazardZx>im in trunk dir
05:03<ZxBiohazardZx>so now i got to specefy patch?
05:04<ZxBiohazardZx>the trunk is: c:\BuildOTTD\trunk and the patch is in c:\BuildOTTD
05:04<TrueBrain>[11:01] <petern> then it's something like "patch -p1 < \path\to\patch.diff"
05:05<ZxBiohazardZx>step by step explaination plz:)
05:05<ZxBiohazardZx>i get the patch:P
05:05<TrueBrain>you type in the letters:
05:05<TrueBrain>p
05:05<ZxBiohazardZx>thats stating you want to do that:P
05:05<TrueBrain>a
05:05<TrueBrain>t
05:05<TrueBrain>c
05:05<ZxBiohazardZx>kk thx
05:05<TrueBrain>h
05:05<TrueBrain><spacebar>
05:05<ZxBiohazardZx>i can do that
05:05<ZxBiohazardZx>but then the -p whats that for?
05:05<TrueBrain>I start to doubt that ;)
05:05<ZxBiohazardZx>kk thx true:)
05:06<TrueBrain>http://linux.die.net/man/1/patch
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05:06<ZxBiohazardZx>kkthx much better:)
05:06<TrueBrain>(if you want to know the details, use the manual)
05:06<TrueBrain>(else just accept what wel tell you :p)
05:08<@petern>actually
05:08<ZxBiohazardZx>hehe kk
05:08<@petern>i got a cup of tea
05:08<ZxBiohazardZx>patch -pnum <patchfile (how to determine num?)
05:09<TrueBrain>for all we care: try and error
05:09<ZxBiohazardZx>and for my patch: c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780 it would be
05:09<ZxBiohazardZx>patch -p0 < smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff ?
05:09<TrueBrain>TRY IT
05:09<ZxBiohazardZx>trunk being c:\BuildOTTD\trunk and patch c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780?
05:09<TrueBrain>it wouldn't kill you
05:10<ZxBiohazardZx>lol
05:10<TrueBrain>if it fails, try something else
05:10<TrueBrain>and if you want someone to hold your hand ... well .. wrong channel :)
05:10<ZxBiohazardZx>:)
05:10<ZxBiohazardZx>i like holding hands:)
05:10<ZxBiohazardZx>kk cannot find file:)
05:11<ZxBiohazardZx>does that mean i have to change the filename into full dir-location?
05:11<TrueBrain>I think he does have a brain after all :)
05:12<ZxBiohazardZx>patch is not recognized as internal or external assignment, program or batchfile
05:12<ZxBiohazardZx>(dutch version)
05:12<TrueBrain>so what should we do about that?
05:12<ZxBiohazardZx>no freaking clue
05:12<TrueBrain>really?
05:12<ZxBiohazardZx>i think the patch-program isnt working:P
05:12<TrueBrain>none?
05:12<ZxBiohazardZx>i think the "patch" program isnt functioning as the "patch" command isnt recognised?
05:13<TrueBrain>if I would put a cup of coffee in your living room, and put you in the bathtub, would you be able to drink the cup of coffee?
05:13<ZxBiohazardZx>but im 100% sure i installed the godamn prog
05:13<ZxBiohazardZx>hehe
05:13<TrueBrain>in fact, would you be able to SEE the cup of coffee?
05:13<ZxBiohazardZx>i guess not
05:13<ZxBiohazardZx>but i just said i pointed to the coffee:P
05:13<TrueBrain>so maybe, just maybe, you want to tell your ocmmand line where exactly 'the cup of coffee' is
05:13<TrueBrain>no, you yelled really hard: CUP OF COFFEE!!!
05:14<TrueBrain>but coffee is known for not replying
05:14<ZxBiohazardZx>i just stated: patch -p0 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780
05:14<ZxBiohazardZx>but it replies with (dutch) patch wordt niet herkend als interne of externe opdrach, programma of batchbestand
05:14<TrueBrain>where is patch located?
05:15<ZxBiohazardZx>patch: c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff
05:15<ZxBiohazardZx>thats the patchfile
05:15<TrueBrain>no no, the application
05:15<ZxBiohazardZx>ow lol
05:15<@petern>hehe
05:15<@petern>put it in your path
05:15<ZxBiohazardZx>C:\Program Files\GnuWin32
05:15<ZxBiohazardZx>i think
05:15<TrueBrain>petern: I think that would be too much to ask
05:15<@petern>if you don't understand that, put it in c:\windows ;)
05:15<TrueBrain>ZxBiohazardZx: we don't think in the world of computing
05:15<TrueBrain>we make sure
05:16<TrueBrain>you can try to ask Windows if he wants to go start looking where you left your cup of coffee
05:16<ZxBiohazardZx>truebrain im complete idiot, after a long time i got MINGW to work for me, im just a complete n00b
05:16<TrueBrain>but I truly doubt it would be able
05:16<ZxBiohazardZx>and you only offer pro-lessons:)
05:16<reldred>This is almost as painful to watch as the phone conversation I overheard the other day of a man trying to explain to his wife over the phone how to pump a bike tire -_-
05:16<ZxBiohazardZx>im complete n00b and true/peter only give pro-manuals:)
05:17<TrueBrain>ZxBiohazardZx: if you think this is 'pro' anything
05:17<TrueBrain>you really are an idiot, yes, I have to grant you that :)
05:17<ZxBiohazardZx>:)
05:17<TrueBrain>as I ask you very specific questions, and you answer like: well .. something like that I guess somewhere somehow in some universe
05:17<ZxBiohazardZx>i never done any programming or such, the hardest till this darn ottd_revision stuff was my ascent core for warcraft
05:17<TrueBrain>like going to the bank: I want to withdraw money
05:17<TrueBrain>how much sir?
05:17<ZxBiohazardZx>and that was doable with tortoise-svn
05:18<TrueBrain>I just want to withdraw money! NOW GIVE IT TO ME
05:18<ZxBiohazardZx>XD
05:18<ZxBiohazardZx>you asked a question, i replied
05:18<ZxBiohazardZx>C:\Program Files\GnuWin32 is where the patch program is located
05:18<TrueBrain>so we try again: where is 'patch' located
05:18<TrueBrain>without the: 'I think'
05:18<TrueBrain>okay
05:18<ZxBiohazardZx>C:\Program Files\GnuWin32
05:18<TrueBrain>so if you know Windows has no clue what so ever where 'patch' is
05:18<TrueBrain>how would you tell him where it is?
05:19<TrueBrain>(remember, computer are even dumber)
05:19<ZxBiohazardZx>no idea, i hoped the installation of patch would "tell" windows that it is located in that dir and defines the patch action
05:19<TrueBrain>clearly, it doesn't
05:19<ZxBiohazardZx>aparently XD
05:19<TrueBrain>so ... instead of using 'patch', we will use ........
05:19<TrueBrain>(fill in the blanks :p)
05:19<TrueBrain>make us proud!
05:20<ZxBiohazardZx>command prompt i assume?
05:20<TrueBrain>reldred: I sure hope you are recording this :)
05:20<ZxBiohazardZx>truebrain im a complete n00b
05:20<ZxBiohazardZx>so i cant see where we are going
05:20<TrueBrain>ZxBiohazardZx: a noob we can handle; people refusing to think are another category :)
05:20<ZxBiohazardZx>its like stepping into a car, and then starting to drive without a destination
05:20<TrueBrain>c:\Program Files\GnuWin32\patch -p0 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780
05:20<TrueBrain>blegh, I hate to touch hands ... makes me feel gay
05:21<ZxBiohazardZx>there is no "patch'
05:21<ZxBiohazardZx>in C:\Program Files\GnuWin32 ther are folders only
05:21<TrueBrain>.....
05:21*reldred slaps his forehead
05:21<TrueBrain>so you lied to me! :'(
05:21<ZxBiohazardZx>bin, contrib, doc, man, manifest, uninstall
05:21<ZxBiohazardZx>no i did not godamnit
05:21<TrueBrain>[11:18] <TrueBrain> so we try again: where is 'patch' located
05:21<TrueBrain>[11:18] <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32
05:21<ZxBiohazardZx>yes
05:21<TrueBrain>please, don't call names, it is not polite
05:21<ZxBiohazardZx>thats the installation directory, so thats where its located at?
05:22<TrueBrain>one way to look at it
05:22<TrueBrain>ever used Explorer to check out the dir?
05:22<ZxBiohazardZx>yes
05:22<ZxBiohazardZx>i do
05:22<TrueBrain>now find where patch(.exe) is located
05:22<ZxBiohazardZx>else i cant tell the stupid folders:P
05:22<ZxBiohazardZx>id assume in bin:)
05:22<TrueBrain>I hate assumptions
05:22<ZxBiohazardZx>C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch
05:22<ZxBiohazardZx>:)
05:22<TrueBrain>so ... can you NOW do the math?
05:22<ZxBiohazardZx>i guess so 1 sec
05:23<ZxBiohazardZx>C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch -p0 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff
05:23<ZxBiohazardZx>command doesnt allow copy/paste (lame)
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05:24<ZxBiohazardZx>FUCK
05:24<ZxBiohazardZx>same shit
05:24<ZxBiohazardZx>c:\Program is not recognised as program
05:24<TrueBrain>haha
05:24<ZxBiohazardZx>space = _ in cmd?
05:24<TrueBrain>okay
05:24<TrueBrain>that you can't help
05:24<TrueBrain>Windows sucks
05:25<TrueBrain>"C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch" -p0 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff
05:25<ZxBiohazardZx>XD i assum eeither _ or nospace?
05:25<@Rubidium>either quote the whole application name
05:25<TrueBrain>Windows really is the most stupiest OS ever invented
05:25<@Rubidium>or using the 8.3 representation of the long file names, if you can guess them
05:25<ZxBiohazardZx>XD
05:25<TrueBrain>who names a base dir with a space, if you can't handle it correctly
05:25<ZxBiohazardZx>default folder:(
05:25<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: Linux can't either handle spaces in that way in paths
05:26<TrueBrain>Rubidium: '\ '
05:26<TrueBrain>;)
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05:26<TrueBrain>either way, no base dir in linux has a space
05:26<TrueBrain>in fact, you can use linux for ages without any spaces in dirs :p
05:26<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: Windows' tab completetion does quote if needed
05:26<reldred>TrueBrain: I love that, in an effort to make things 'easier', they've made it harder. I've taught absolute noobs how to browse UNIX filesystems and they've understood quite well
05:26<ZxBiohazardZx>ok now i get the following line: File to patch
05:27<@Rubidium>it all started with the early MSDOS where 'they' chose to use '/' for parameters
05:27<@Rubidium>then they decided to introduce paths and were forced to go with '\'
05:27<@Rubidium>later they found out they wanted to escape stuff, so you ended up with '\\'
05:27<reldred>Numbnuts
05:28<ZxBiohazardZx>someone answer my question?
05:28<TrueBrain>ZxBiohazardZx: was it a question?
05:28<ZxBiohazardZx>File to patch, can that also be a "dir"
05:29<ZxBiohazardZx>because i assume i want c:\BuildOTTD\trunk in there?
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05:29<TrueBrain>in general, when it asks you for a specific file, you need to change the -p value
05:29<TrueBrain>or make sure you are in the right dir ;)
05:29<TrueBrain>-p0 for SVN patches, -p1 for hg and git patches
05:30<ZxBiohazardZx>so i got to make it p1? instead of p0 XD
05:31<ZxBiohazardZx>how can i abort the "File to patch" question?
05:31<ZxBiohazardZx>i tried empty and skip "y" but then returns the "File to patch" again
05:31<TrueBrain>CTRL+C?
05:31<TrueBrain>the universal: GET ME OUT OF HERE, keystroke sequence
05:31<ZxBiohazardZx>kk
05:31<ZxBiohazardZx>i just kept enter+y-ing and got out
05:31<TrueBrain>doesn't work on my IRC client, sadly enough
05:32<ZxBiohazardZx>so its same sentance, but with -p1 instead of -p0?
05:32<ZxBiohazardZx>goddamn cmd, why cant i just edit 1 number:(
05:32<ZxBiohazardZx>ow lol i can:)
05:32<ZxBiohazardZx>XD
05:32<ZxBiohazardZx>wow another lesson learned:)
05:33<ZxBiohazardZx>no fucking way, errors:(
05:33<Noldo>*snif*
05:33<ZxBiohazardZx>assertation failed: hunk, file ../patch-2.5-9-src/patch.c line 354
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05:33<ZxBiohazardZx>this application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way
05:33<ZxBiohazardZx>so -p1 isnt right?
05:34<ZxBiohazardZx>"C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch" -p1 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff returned the assertation error i just stated
05:34<ZxBiohazardZx>hates it
05:34<TrueBrain>very cool; and I have no clue
05:35<reldred>You didn't assert hard enough. It's a computer! A machine! You need to talk like a MAN TO IT. It responds to COMMANDS! YOU NEED TO COMMAND IT. DON'T TAKE IT'S SHIT!
05:35<reldred>Okay, I'm sorry, I'll leave now
05:35<TrueBrain>lol @ reldred
05:35<ZxBiohazardZx>relred im a complete n00b
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05:35<ZxBiohazardZx>the p0 offered a question, p1 returned with error
05:36<ZxBiohazardZx>so if i try P0 and just give a dir rather then file, will it work?
05:36<reldred>Then go do something else, you're out of your own depth.
05:36<TrueBrain>means -p0 is wrong, and -p1 fucks up something
05:36<TrueBrain>try it?
05:36<TrueBrain>why ask our permission?
05:36<ZxBiohazardZx>kk
05:36<reldred>However I do admire your persistance
05:36<TrueBrain>if you go to the toilet in a moment, you want us to agree on that too?
05:36<ZxBiohazardZx>cause you guys are tha pro's and im tha n00b:)
05:36<ZxBiohazardZx>hehe nah im the toilet pro:) i can handle that:)
05:37<Noldo>and you will stay that way if don't start using your own head instead of TrueBrain's
05:37<ZxBiohazardZx>if your new in a city, youd ask the local residents the locations as well:)
05:37*Rubidium a pro on Windows? Hell yeah... last time I used it as my main desktop was... 2002
05:37<TrueBrain>ZxBiohazardZx: we can give you a fish, sure ... but it is a tiny bit more useful to teach you how to fish
05:38<ZxBiohazardZx>truebrain you can teach me how to fish yes, but first id need a fishing rod and some bait...
05:38<ZxBiohazardZx>im willing to learn a bit, but dont expect me to catch a swordfish in my first attempt ?
05:38<ZxBiohazardZx>the p1 fucks up, and p0 was "wrong"
05:39<TrueBrain>currently, you can't even figure out how to get your bait in the water ;) But it doesn't matter :)
05:39<TrueBrain>I really have no idea why patch would fuck up
05:39<ZxBiohazardZx>kk the -p0 pointing to dir wont work
05:39<ZxBiohazardZx>it is requesting a file
05:39<TrueBrain>so give it to him
05:39<ZxBiohazardZx>and p1 returns that stupid criterror:P
05:40<ZxBiohazardZx>its a patch for the dir not for a file
05:40<TrueBrain>and in that patch are tiny patches per file
05:40<@Rubidium>oh... let me guess... it's Windows, right... so it horrible breaks down with non-Windows newlines
05:40<ZxBiohazardZx>i have no clue what "file" i have to supply for the minimap-zoom_r16780 patch so it works kk
05:40<TrueBrain>it can't do magic you know
05:40<TrueBrain>it tells you
05:40<ZxBiohazardZx>rubidium yes its windows:)
05:40<TrueBrain>On MS-Windows, the patchfile must be a text file, i.e. CR-LF must be used as line endings. A file with LF may give the error: "Assertion failed, hunk, file patch.c, line 343," unless the option '--binary' is given.
05:40<ZxBiohazardZx>lemmy see
05:41<TrueBrain>source: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/patch.htm
05:41<ZxBiohazardZx>omg to much info:P
05:41<ZxBiohazardZx>its a .diff file
05:41<TrueBrain>Rubidium: I expected more from patch .....
05:41<ZxBiohazardZx>but thats same as .txt right?
05:41<@Rubidium>and because it's a git patch it has non-Windows newlines
05:41<TrueBrain>ZxBiohazardZx: .diff == .patch
05:41<TrueBrain>nobody cares what the extension is :p
05:41<ZxBiohazardZx>yes and its also .txt
05:41<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: it is gnu*win*32-patch
05:41<ZxBiohazardZx>and im using MS windows and its a text file
05:41<TrueBrain>Rubidium: stupid :)
05:42<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: unix patch does 'the right thing', but I don't expect that on Windows
05:42<TrueBrain>I expected that from the porters ...
05:42<@Rubidium>I guess ZxBiohazardZx is screwed
05:42<ZxBiohazardZx>noes:(
05:42<TrueBrain>2 easy ways out: do what the line above suggests
05:42<ZxBiohazardZx>im always screwed
05:42<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: git has (had?) massive newlines troubles
05:42<TrueBrain>or open the file and save it again
05:42<ZxBiohazardZx>this is the 2nd time i get fucked
05:43<ZxBiohazardZx>stupid patches that dont go in tortoiseSVN anymore
05:43<ZxBiohazardZx>how hard is it to make it tortoise proof:S
05:43<TrueBrain>tortoiseSVN uses 'patch' :p
05:43<@Rubidium>it just shows that Windows is become more and more a platform NOT suitable for development
05:43<ZxBiohazardZx>it worked in tortoise till last version, then it was "changed"
05:43<ZxBiohazardZx>truebrain i dont care how tortoiseSVN does it, i click apply patch and it works:)
05:43<@Rubidium>ZxBiohazardZx: it wasn't changed; the version you downloaded is rewritten from scratch, he just didn't open a new thread
05:44<TrueBrain>ZxBiohazardZx: can you try opening the patch file, and saving it (Save As) with Windows as end-line type
05:44<ZxBiohazardZx>so i save it as?
05:44<ZxBiohazardZx>i can " open" the diff with tortoise:P
05:44<ZxBiohazardZx>and see all lines:P
05:44<TrueBrain>so apply them one by one yourself
05:44<@Rubidium>ZxBiohazardZx: we can only give you clues as we don't have Windows, as a result we can't do the searching work in Windows to give you the exact manual what you need to do
05:44<ZxBiohazardZx>hmhm
05:44<ZxBiohazardZx>one by one?
05:45<TrueBrain>will work for sure
05:45<TrueBrain>or you can take my suggestion and try that
05:45<TrueBrain>but it is all your choice
05:45<ZxBiohazardZx>i need to figure out tha files of the trunk that are updated?
05:45<ZxBiohazardZx>truebrain what suggestion?:P
05:45<TrueBrain>ZxBiohazardZx: can you try opening the patch file (with Notepad or what ever), and saving it (Save As) with Windows as end-line type
05:45<ZxBiohazardZx>ill open it with notepad
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05:45<TrueBrain>most likely even Word can do that for you
05:46<TrueBrain>it is stupid enough for it
05:46<TrueBrain>'kladblok' can't
05:46<ZxBiohazardZx>damnit
05:46<TrueBrain>'wordpad' I believe it is called can
05:46<ZxBiohazardZx>im using kladblok
05:46<ZxBiohazardZx>crap
05:46<TrueBrain>kladblok is SO STUPID
05:46<TrueBrain>but wordpad is also default installed
05:46<ZxBiohazardZx>im n00b kktxh
05:46<reldred>That's the point
05:46<ZxBiohazardZx>wordpad it is:0
05:46<reldred>Notepad is made to do one thing and do JUST that.
05:47<ZxBiohazardZx>i got wordpad:)
05:47<reldred>And for that, it is the only capable piece of software loaded by default with Windows
05:47<reldred>I love notepad
05:47<ZxBiohazardZx>save as "end-line" type?
05:47<ZxBiohazardZx>that is?
05:48<ZxBiohazardZx>i got few options: RTF, Text, Text(msdos), UNICODE
05:48<TrueBrain>Text(msdos)
05:48<ZxBiohazardZx>kk
05:48<TrueBrain>reldred: it does it 100% the windows way. \n is not a new line, it is a stupid char if it doesn't come with \r
05:49<ZxBiohazardZx>ok its now saved as Text(msdos)
05:49<TrueBrain>who thought up that anyway, that every \n needs to come with a \r, else it doesn't do anything? :p
05:49<ZxBiohazardZx>now i go to command and do the patch again?
05:49<TrueBrain>try it
05:49<TrueBrain>who knows
05:49<reldred>TrueBrain: Oldschool terminals, serial interfaces, teletype machines, etc.
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05:50<reldred>TrueBrain: It's a throwback to typewriters, new line, THEN carriage return, or vice versa.
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05:50<TrueBrain>reldred: yup ... OLD! Outdated .. widely seen as a big mistake :p
05:50<TrueBrain>and Windows still carries it .. silly Windows :p
05:50<reldred>TrueBrain: Old serial printers had to be told by the mainframe all of those stupid little things.
05:50<ZxBiohazardZx>"C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch" -p1 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780v1.txt
05:50<ZxBiohazardZx>or p0?
05:50<reldred>eh, I work with serial protocols often enough so it kinda warms my heart a little bit
05:51<TrueBrain>ZxBiohazardZx: I hate repeating myself, but special for you: TRY IT!
05:51<reldred>And eh, if unix compatibilty is an issue I reopen the file in wordpad, it seems to behave
05:51<ZxBiohazardZx>"patching file src/smallmap.gui.cpp" but instantly returns with commandline
05:51<ZxBiohazardZx>so did it work?
05:51<ZxBiohazardZx>:P
05:52<reldred>Which reminds me, I need to go get a ream of paper for a dotmatric printer, since I now actually own one that still works :D
05:52<reldred>*dotmatrix
05:52<reldred>A serial one at that :D
05:52<blathijs>11:49:08 < TrueBrain> who thought up that anyway, that every \n needs to come with a \r, else it doesn't do anything? :p <-- A single \n should really go to the next line, but keep the column the same :-p
05:52<TrueBrain>ZxBiohazardZx: check with TortoiseSVN!
05:52<ZxBiohazardZx>XD eeehm check with Tortoise?:P
05:52<reldred>It's actually made for interpreting SMDR streams from phone systems to print hotel call accounting shite, but it apparently will work as a straight serial printer
05:52<TrueBrain>blathijs: I know that :) Still it doesn't make sense with computers :p
05:53<ZxBiohazardZx>remember im idiot, so i try finding the file and open it with tortoise XD?
05:53<TrueBrain>no ....
05:53<TrueBrain>you check the dir if it contains modified files
05:53<TrueBrain>(which it will, but okay)
05:54<ZxBiohazardZx>there is a dir with that file
05:54<ZxBiohazardZx>but i have no clue if its altered XD
05:55<ZxBiohazardZx>if i just complile and run
05:55<ZxBiohazardZx>id figure out as well right?
05:55<TrueBrain>ZxBiohazardZx: I hate repeating myself, but special for you: TRY IT!
05:55<ZxBiohazardZx>i love your truebrain
05:55<ZxBiohazardZx>does a red ! in the folder means altered?
05:55<TrueBrain>yup
05:56<ZxBiohazardZx>cause only the "signals (signalsintunnel/bridge) and smallmapgui have that
05:56<ZxBiohazardZx>so i guess it worked
05:56<ZxBiohazardZx>kk now back to my minGW compiler XD see how i manage that:P
05:56<TrueBrain>http://www.openttd.org/donate
05:56<TrueBrain>just a .. suggestion
05:57<ZxBiohazardZx>XD
05:57<ZxBiohazardZx>i already donated once, i think thats enough myself
05:58<TrueBrain>just saying ;)
05:58<ZxBiohazardZx>man omg
05:58<ZxBiohazardZx>in MinGW its cd c:\ for browsing c:\ right?
05:58<ZxBiohazardZx>why doesnt it work then :S
05:59<TrueBrain>pebkac
05:59<ZxBiohazardZx>pebkac?
05:59<TrueBrain>no mingw user here, so I can't help you with that
05:59<ZxBiohazardZx>aww:(
05:59<reldred>mmm, a pebkac error. I'm afraid you're stuffed ZxBiohazardZx.
06:00<ZxBiohazardZx>relred what you mean?
06:00<TrueBrain>which morron at imdb thought it would be a good idea to put Cast above 'Category' ...
06:00<ZxBiohazardZx>Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
06:00<TrueBrain>idiots .. made their website completely annoying and useless
06:00<ZxBiohazardZx>lolz kk i found it:)
06:00<reldred>Damn kids these days and their proficiency with google!
06:01*reldred mutters something and goes off to make a peanut butter sandwich
06:01<ZxBiohazardZx>cd ~/ottdsrc (on wiki)
06:01<TrueBrain>and I hate my surround system is still not on transport!! :'( No fun this weekend :(
06:01<ZxBiohazardZx>but the cd commands seem to do shit:S
06:02<ZxBiohazardZx>hates mingw again
06:02<@Rubidium>ZxBiohazardZx: I've got a free tip for you, do you want it?
06:02<ZxBiohazardZx>yes i do rubidium
06:02<@Rubidium>ZxBiohazardZx: read the fine manuals
06:03<ZxBiohazardZx>lol i found it
06:03<ZxBiohazardZx>cmd (windows) wants c:\ and mingw wants c:/
06:03<ZxBiohazardZx>mind the / and \ are different
06:03<ZxBiohazardZx>lame
06:03<TrueBrain>welcome to the wonderful world of windows
06:03<@Rubidium>I already talked about that, Windows is bug compatible with MSDOS 1
06:03<ZxBiohazardZx>lol windows is crap i know
06:04<ZxBiohazardZx>but with my megauberskills im not going to get linux (yet)
06:04<@Rubidium>the amount of money that would've been saved by trashing /? for comments when they went to paths is really enormous
06:04<ZxBiohazardZx>and mac is only good for heavy-graphic-depending branches as far as i know
06:04<@Rubidium>s/comment/command/
06:05<TrueBrain>ZxBiohazardZx: your knowledge is flawed, but that is okay :)
06:05<ZxBiohazardZx>lol dont you love / and \ ? you can make nice pictures with it:)
06:05<TrueBrain>10 years ago you were right
06:05<ZxBiohazardZx>yeah kk truebrain i figured that out
06:05<ZxBiohazardZx>we got some macs @ university
06:06<Ammler>nowadays, it doesn't really matter anymore. all OSes are that good as the user.
06:06<ZxBiohazardZx>though only architecture and Industrial design use them
06:06<TrueBrain>Ammler: Windows isn't
06:06<Ammler>:-)
06:06<ZxBiohazardZx>civil engineers dont care, thus use windows, we dont need tha uber gfx and most progs are windows based
06:06<ZxBiohazardZx>the reason people chose windows: they are used to it
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06:07<ZxBiohazardZx>on a mac they cant find what they want, they are looking for right-mouse-actions etc etc
06:07<ZxBiohazardZx>anyway im compiling:)
06:07<ZxBiohazardZx>woot:)
06:07<@Rubidium>and the short term TCO is lower than for Linux, but then again... do you know any manager that looks more than 1 year ahead?
06:07<ZxBiohazardZx>once this monkey knows the trick, he can do it as often as you want:P
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06:08<ZxBiohazardZx>rubidium with these economic times they start doing so...
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06:08<reldred>Not really, we're still getting the fools to buy new telephone PABX's that they really don't need :)
06:08<@Rubidium>ZxBiohazardZx: yeah right..., ask Belugas... it must be finished yesterday, don't really care about bugs we can fix those later
06:09<@Rubidium>but the manager never found out that fixing bugs after a release is massively more expensive
06:09<ZxBiohazardZx>rubidium you mean the managers right? yeah some are still n00b but others are smart enough to get a new vision and change things
06:09<ZxBiohazardZx>hehe
06:10<ZxBiohazardZx>users hate bugs if they experience troubles because of it
06:10<ZxBiohazardZx>i know from my wow-private server, bug-complaints XD
06:10<ZxBiohazardZx>ow btw
06:10<ZxBiohazardZx>will infra-share be integrated in trunk one day?
06:10<@Rubidium>primarily because it must be released at a specific date
06:10<ZxBiohazardZx>same question for some other branches
06:11<ZxBiohazardZx>when/who decides what branches will be integrated in trunk
06:12<@Rubidium>a dev whenever (s)he is comfortable with it
06:12<ZxBiohazardZx>cause some things are branched all time (aka have to update every revision) and some are integrated in the trunk, but who decides what branches are added, and when they are integrated?
06:12<ZxBiohazardZx>alright
06:12<ZxBiohazardZx>alright:)
06:12<ZxBiohazardZx>and when its in, it stays in? or its removed after not used/permission expires?
06:13<@Rubidium>it's removed if it's much worse than expected
06:13<ZxBiohazardZx>IUE errors are tha best
06:13<ZxBiohazardZx>ok
06:14<ZxBiohazardZx>where can i check if a branch has been added (apart from the forums, read every thread ever made)?
06:14<ZxBiohazardZx>is there a "integrated branch" in the changelogs or?
06:14<@Rubidium>IUE?
06:14<Noldo>ZxBiohazardZx: what are you looking for?
06:15<ZxBiohazardZx>IUE=> "Incompetent User Error"
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06:16<ZxBiohazardZx>noldo, specificly: tunnels on birdge/tunnel, infra-sharing, minimap-zoom, new/latestbreakdowns patch, and a few more "usefull" permanent inplantations XD
06:16<ZxBiohazardZx>but i was wondering if there was a list of included branches or a changelog that shows integrations
06:19<ZxBiohazardZx>rubidum and truebrain the minimap works, thx for helping me out:)
06:19<TrueBrain>no problem; just remember us when you ahve a bit of money left over :p
06:19<TrueBrain>yearly payments are coming up ...
06:21<ZxBiohazardZx>truebrain i already mentionned i donated once and thats enough for me XD
06:21<TrueBrain>hehe :)
06:21<TrueBrain>fair enough ZxBiohazardZx ;)
06:21<ZxBiohazardZx>i guess thats more then alot of others do;)
06:21<ZxBiohazardZx>im donating alot of screenshots from my Tayvan Transport game
06:22<ZxBiohazardZx>that i hope you all like:)
06:22<TrueBrain>:)
06:26<ZxBiohazardZx>uploading some older shots of that game atm:P
06:26<ZxBiohazardZx>to bad i picked a massive map
06:27<ZxBiohazardZx>so not everyone knows what im doing and where
06:27<ZxBiohazardZx>but i hope my eye-candy/scenery keeps players on my stories:P
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06:33<dragonhorseboy>hey
06:34<dragonhorseboy>just wondering about it but anyone here want to play a map with dbsetxl/etc soon?
06:39<ZxBiohazardZx>why?
06:39<ZxBiohazardZx>you want one?
06:39<ZxBiohazardZx>i can try one in my next project screenshots
06:39<ZxBiohazardZx>but only if i take a break from my tayvan game
06:39<dragonhorseboy>nah..just seeing if anyone might be interested if I hosted one (rather than playing myself..as usual)
06:39<ZxBiohazardZx>aha
06:39<dragonhorseboy>so i could make sure the grf list was...well..you know
06:42<dragonhorseboy>tayvan?
06:42<ZxBiohazardZx>hehe
06:43<ZxBiohazardZx>see screenshot directory:)
06:43<ZxBiohazardZx>its a massive map
06:43<ZxBiohazardZx>basicly to make some eye-candy games
06:43<ZxBiohazardZx>but to be honest, the citys got to big, so i cant really do what i want properly
06:43<ZxBiohazardZx>but im still trying to do new things, make it look good etc etc
06:43*dragonhorseboy whacks stupid ottd
06:44<sdafsdf>you can reduce city growth
06:44<sdafsdf>and make it so none of them are cities
06:44<sdafsdf>makes them grow slower
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06:44<dragonhorseboy>meh I think basecost.grf seem to be really broken. thats the third time I find that even setting '255' value for terraform cost still does not remove the excessive pricetags
06:44<dragonhorseboy>the wiki readme explictly says '255' disables it but this doesn't seem to be happening :-|
06:45<dragonhorseboy>*pokes some more*
06:46<ZxBiohazardZx>sdafsdf they already are to big,
06:47<ZxBiohazardZx>and removing parts of the city makes it even uglier
06:47<ZxBiohazardZx>but yeah i still have some nice area's
06:47<ZxBiohazardZx>town growth is none already
06:47<ZxBiohazardZx>but im out guys, i might be back
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06:47*dragonhorseboy sighs
06:47<dragonhorseboy>guess I'll just set planes to zero
06:48<@petern>you set it to 255 then started a new game?
06:49<dragonhorseboy>yeah
06:49<dragonhorseboy>it seem to be stuck at one single value all the times regardingly of whatever basecost.grf parameter says ... weird thing is the airport and bridge costs are actually working properly
06:50<dragonhorseboy>its only the terraform parameter alone that seem to be broken in an odd way
06:51<dihedral>hello
06:51<dragonhorseboy>I'm going play without it for now anyway .. don't want force players into bankrupt over just a few simple tiles lowering
06:51<dragonhorseboy>hey dihedral how're you?
06:51<Ammler>dragonhorseboy: I said you, it was my first trip newgrfs
06:52<Ammler>to*
06:52<dragonhorseboy>ammler..yeah I know..its just weird that it seem to work fine on its own but as soon as you load multiply other grfs the terraform cost goes broke
06:52<Ammler>that is why it wasn't on bananas and still hidden there.
06:52<dragonhorseboy>but I don't even have any other landscape-related grf except perhaps for TTRS/TBRS but can these two really affect that
06:52<dihedral>dragonhorseboy, what i love doing, is moving the players to spectator, and then deleting the company ^^
06:52<dihedral>then they can watch it :-D
06:53<Ammler>and modifing base costs on a running game isn't that easy anyway.
06:53<dihedral>just where they were building
06:53<dragonhorseboy>dihedral..very funny :P
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06:53<dragonhorseboy>ammler..well I'm trying to get a new preset grf list and testing it on random generated 256x256 maps to see what to settle on before finally starting a server game
06:53<Ammler>dragonhorseboy: if you set it to 255, it uses the bascosts of other negrfs, doesn't need to be ttd default
06:55<dragonhorseboy>well ammler.this is the way it goes... if I don't have basecost the cost for one foundation tile is about $1K DM with construction cost set to low in difficulity. but as soon as I add basecost.grf even with the parameter at 255 it shoots to $76K DM
06:55<dragonhorseboy>DEM* sorry
06:56<dihedral>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=801905#p801905 <- the attached image shows a graphical glitch with the position of text
06:56<dihedral>the position of the equivalent of "noiselevel"
06:56<dragonhorseboy>and weirdly enough setting the grf to a value over 10 actually can raise it to eg 96K DEM etc .. but using a lower value (even just '2') seem to always be stuck at $76K DEM for some reason unknown yet
06:57<dragonhorseboy>but like I was also saying..all other parameters work just perfectly from '1' through '15' values ($600DEM or $240K DEM small airport? hehehe)
06:58<dragonhorseboy>anyway thats all I have to comment on basecost.grf for now ;)
06:58<dragonhorseboy>brb to finish up the preset grf list
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07:02<dragonhorseboy>hmmm.. breakdown off or reduced :P
07:04<dihedral>you know - there are only like 100 people playing at any given time
07:04<dragonhorseboy>bah ok almost ready to host
07:04<dihedral>(at least on network servers) and that are NOT the people in this channel :-P
07:04<dragonhorseboy>dihedral..yeah I know but there's zero IS servers up now so I may as well as start one to appease ;)
07:04<dihedral>may i be blatently honest?
07:05<dihedral>i dont think anybody gives a <piep>
07:05<dragonhorseboy>sure but every morning when I checked there were always 8+ players on one to three different servers .. now there's no servers
07:05<dihedral>except for planetmaker, he likes giving a <piep> :-P
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07:14<Ammler>dragonhorseboy: is there really need for such a grf?
07:14<Ammler>maybe we could review it with a bit more knowledge now :-)
07:14<dragonhorseboy>ammler..if you have planes enabled for one..yeah
07:15<dragonhorseboy>elsewise any kind of planes seem to often get the company more than $10M in only several years..which isn't quite right at all
07:15<dragonhorseboy>:p
07:17<planetmaker>pah @ dih & hi @ dih and all
07:17<dragonhorseboy>heh hey
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07:27<dragonhorseboy>well if anyone's interested even just to spectate .. server's already up now ;)
07:38<Ammler>@seen Yexo
07:38<@DorpsGek>Ammler: Yexo was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 18 hours, 23 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Yexo> hello
07:40<dragonhorseboy>ammler one good thing at least is that there's reducedpassengerpayment (although I wish i could figure out the elusive parameter) so at least can't make as too much profits anyway :P
07:40<dragonhorseboy>heh
07:42<Ammler>dragonhorseboy: grf2html
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08:12*dragonhorseboy wishes I could know what MB was actually up to with dbsetxl 0.9
08:13<dragonhorseboy>dbsetxl_ecs is kinda not as much fun as it should be .. many of the wagons just don't look right (fiber is not black like coal!)
08:13<dragonhorseboy>:p
08:13<Eddi|zuHause>well, fix it ;)
08:14<dragonhorseboy>its MB's grf and I already can see on the forum that he already doesn't like others releasing any sprites from it without modification
08:14<dragonhorseboy>so..well yeah..not much can do
08:14<Eddi|zuHause>he usualy allows using them, as long as you ask before...
08:15<Eddi|zuHause>and you can hack the grf for yourself, you don't need to release anything
08:15<dragonhorseboy>that doesn't make it much fun for multiplayer tho .. but then whatever ^_^ heh
08:16<dragonhorseboy>anyway I meant to ask this for a while, what is 'zuhause'?
08:16<KingJ>At Home?
08:16<dragonhorseboy>oh ic
08:17<KingJ>(Possibly!)
08:17<Eddi|zuHause>yes
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08:28<dragonhorseboy>blah... TBRS doesn't have proper bridges to go together with early era TTRS :P
08:28<dragonhorseboy>and I thought the 2cc metros running over maglev tracks on bridge was worse enough
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08:30<Eddi|zuHause>that's why i stopped using road sets
08:30<Eddi|zuHause>you're running into all kinds of incompatibilities
08:30<planetmaker>I want rail and road types! :)
08:30<dragonhorseboy>well the one I do like is the czroadset .. it provides its own tunnel and bridge altogether which other road-using grfs probably should had
08:31<dragonhorseboy>I only use it in ttdxp alone tho
08:32<dragonhorseboy>hehehe....looks like one of my berlin tram started making black smoke right in middle of the town :p
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08:34<dragonhorseboy>eddi..and which of..why can't ottd actually let you build rails across tunnel portals anyway? :P
08:35<Eddi|zuHause>because it is not implemented?
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08:43<dragonhorseboy>well..you doing anything now? :)
08:43<Eddi|zuHause>well
08:43<Eddi|zuHause>you going to pay me for it?
08:44<dragonhorseboy>pay what?
08:44<Eddi|zuHause>man-hours?
08:44<dragonhorseboy>lol..who said I was asking you to do some work for me? :P
08:46<Eddi|zuHause>you implied it...
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08:53<dragonhorseboy>well either way me just waiting for more $ to come in in the game .. other that that guess I'm going clean up some magazines
08:57<@Belugas>hello
08:57<dragonhorseboy>hey belugas
09:00<welshdragon>hmm
09:00<welshdragon>i can't login to translator3
09:00<dragonhorseboy>hey welshdragon
09:00<Eddi|zuHause>too many dragons around here...
09:01<dragonhorseboy>too many? I only see two alone :p
09:01<dragonhorseboy>there's more likely too many humans ;)
09:01*welshdragon slays his dragon
09:01-!-welshdragon is now known as welsh
09:07<welsh>can i reset my translator3 password?
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09:08<TrueBrain>Tefad / KenjiE20: cdparanoia seems to do a much better job ripping then cdex ever did :)
09:08<@petern>cdex has paranoia options... which i've never needed to use
09:08<@petern>"grip" otoh it's a fucking shit ripper
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09:09<TrueBrain>maybe I should rephrase: cdparanoia does exactly what I expect a ripper to do, and where I can see errors and glitches, where cdex doesn't let me know
09:09<TrueBrain>(besides, it works native on linux too :p)
09:10<welsh>:/
09:11*dragonhorseboy never could settle on a single burner software for windows yet (always seem to be at least one thing missing in each of them) >_<
09:12<dragonhorseboy>at least the old copy of Toast works nicely for the mac (except its out of use, the yamaha drive isn't working anymore so back to only the internal cdrom drive)
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09:21<dragonhorseboy>well I'm going off irc, bye now (and for anyone who just came in: feel free to check my germany-based server any time)
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09:26<KenjiE20>cool, nice find TB, these things are always down to personal pref
09:27<KenjiE20>I would tell dhb about a burner but he left
09:27<TrueBrain>now Ineed to find a store which still can deliver very old albums :p
09:29<jaachanor>where is it determined how long the take-off sequence for planes is?
09:31<@petern>it's just a combination of the aircraft's acceleration and maximum speed properties
09:33<jaachanor>okay
09:33<jaachanor>where does that calculation take place?
09:34<Eddi|zuHause>you might want to start at the airport FSM handler
09:35<Hirundo>no such calculation takes place, the plane just accelerates until it reaches a certain position in the FSM
09:35<Eddi|zuHause>there'd be a "start takeoff here" state
09:35<jaachanor>ok
09:35<jaachanor>i want to ensure the plane reaches it's cruising altitude
09:37<Eddi|zuHause>the crusing altitude is defined at a different place
09:37<jaachanor>yes, but there's no change after take off
09:38<Eddi|zuHause>yes, why would there be?
09:38<jaachanor>there shouldn't if the take off process checked to make sure proper altitude was reached
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09:40<Eddi|zuHause>i have no idea what you think the problem is...
09:41<Chruker>Dont the planes just always fly above 'anything'?
09:41<jaachanor>planes fly at whatever altitude they have when they've reached cruising speed
09:41<jaachanor>or take off is over - whatever triggers that
09:42<TrueBrain>a roommate came in: I have a CD that can't be ripped
09:42<jaachanor>shouldn't they climb until GetAircraftFlyingAltitude(v) is reached?
09:42<TrueBrain>10 minutes later he walked out with 22 mp3s
09:42<Chruker>hehe
09:43<TrueBrain>it was a nasty CD ... when reading the data segment, it went to sectors not on the disk
09:43<TrueBrain>and the last song did the same
09:43<TrueBrain>nasty
09:43<Eddi|zuHause>check aircraft_cmd.cpp, there is a specific function that determines the crusing altitude
09:44<Eddi|zuHause>and then check where that is used
09:44<Eddi|zuHause>and then determine wether there is a bug
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09:50<TrueBrain>@mode +b ~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk
09:50-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] by DorpsGek
09:51<TrueBrain>I think I will keep that ban around for a bit longer this time ...
09:51<dihedral>^^
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11:47<welsh>can i reset my translator3 password?
11:47<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: welsh would like to be answered ;)
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11:48<welsh>;)
11:49<Sacro>'ning welshdragon
11:49*welsh isn't a dragon
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12:01<Joepie|ttd>hello
12:01-!-Joepie|ttd is now known as Joepie
12:04<Joepie>where can i find ai's for openttd?
12:07<@Belugas>in the content download, i'd say
12:08<Joepie>think i finally found it on the webby
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12:10<@Belugas>goody
12:11<Markk>yes
12:12<Joepie>should i unpack it in data folder?
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12:16<Joepie>maby there is some place i can read about how to install ai's? couldnt find it on wiki
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12:20<TrueBrain>welsh: nope, that is not possible :)
12:20<TrueBrain>(I really should add a mailing module :p)
12:20<welsh>so i'm screwed :(
12:20<TrueBrain>you like it?
12:21<welsh>it's slightly annoying that i can't log in
12:21<welsh>i'll try logging in off my pc later
12:24<@Belugas>Joepie : http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=65 who knows... maybe you'll find something usefull there... Have yu find the Content Download I told you about? That is on OpenTTD, of course
12:24<Joepie>hehe yeah found it ingame
12:25<TrueBrain>welsh: going to the movies now; maybe later tonight I will make a nice 'reset password' thingy :p
12:25<TrueBrain>who knows ... :)
12:25<welsh>:P
12:25<Joepie>the dutch button to the content managers is kinda a weird translation that why i couldnt find it
12:25<TrueBrain>800 users are registered .. I wonder how many of those have valid email addresses ....
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12:32<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16781 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3026] (r16297): don't cast negative values to uints when the settings' range is "negative..positive".
12:34<Eddi|zuHause>so when do we start storing (name,value) pairs so not every patch out there needs to bump the savegame version?
12:36<@Rubidium>as if every patch needs to bump the savegame version
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13:23<Eddi|zuHause>well, everyone that adds a setting
13:26*Belugas sets a adding on Eddi|zuHause
13:27<Eddi|zuHause>what you mean is an edding
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13:37<Eddi|zuHause>http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Eddingstifte.jpg&filetimestamp=20080316114610
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13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r16782 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: catalan - 33 changes by arnaullv
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by habell
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by belugas
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: galician - 18 changes by Condex
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: german - 8 changes by Roujin
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13:52<Alberth>how does one get to see the 0.7.1 screen shot at the http://www.openttd.org main page? Clicking on it jumps to screen shots for 0.6 and older.
13:53<@Rubidium>Alberth: because it's a big lie :(
13:53<@Rubidium>flame TB :)
13:54<Eddi|zuHause>i only ever have seen the same ugly screenshot from ages ago in that small preview...
13:54*Alberth fires up a big flame thrower, waiting for TB to show up....
13:55<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: you're free to write a fix for it
13:57<Eddi|zuHause>and the previews of some pictures is not scaled properly
13:59<@Rubidium>so, you want to fix that too?
13:59<Eddi|zuHause>yes. and i also want to sign up for someone's job
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14:02<[NL[Roel]>hi all
14:02<Nite_Owl>Hello all
14:02<[NL[Roel]>please join my server
14:02<[NL[Roel]>its called [NL] The Netherlands
14:03<KingJ>No.
14:03<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think so.
14:03*Nite_Owl slices through the hostility with a warm butter knife
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14:07<Sacro>hello [NL[Roel]
14:07<Sacro>please stop spamming our channel
14:07<Sacro>it's called #openttd
14:08<Alberth>hello Nite_Owl
14:09<Nite_Owl>Hello Alberth
14:16<Eddi|zuHause>what disturbs me more is not that he spams the channel, but that the brackets in his nick are not properly closed
14:17<Nite_Owl>]]
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14:21<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16783 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_buoylist.hpp.sq squirrel_export.sh): -Change: make it more clear that the squirrel_export script needs gawk.
14:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r16784 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
14:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Fix: Audio playback rate was fixed at 11025Hz regardless of the rate specified
14:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: to the audio driver, resulting in incorrect playback speed. It is still
14:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: preferable to use 11025Hz output rate if possible as OpenTTD's sample rate
14:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: converter is very low quality.
14:30<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16785 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make ships going to buoys use OT_GOTO_WAYPOINT too
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14:42<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.polit.ru/news/2009/07/09/photoap.html <- is it me or did the russian guy get too much alcohol?
14:45<Eddi|zuHause>"A french, an italian and a russian go into a bar..."
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15:24<NeO_Anderson>hello, I've noticed that I can't use Trams on my dedicated server (linux), even tho its like year 2012 or so, i was told it should be available from the start or at least 2000
15:24<NeO_Anderson>is there something I have to enable or install to get the trams to be useable?
15:24<NeO_Anderson>it's currently greyed out
15:24<@Rubidium>trams require a newgrf that adds trams
15:25<NeO_Anderson>I see
15:25<NeO_Anderson>hwo can I install them onto a linux openttd server?
15:25<NeO_Anderson>since it doesnt have the game interface (as far as I know) how else could I install them?
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15:26<NeO_Anderson>and also, if I install this new GRF, would everyone connecting to the server have to have it installed too? or just server?
15:26<DaleStan>Yes.
15:26<NeO_Anderson>yes?
15:27<DaleStan>The former.
15:27<Ammler>NeO_Anderson: use bananas trams :-)
15:27<NeO_Anderson>...
15:28<NeO_Anderson>so how cna I install grf onto linux server? :S
15:28<NeO_Anderson>can
15:29<Yexo>download the newgrf and put it in the data folder
15:29<Yexo>you can also access bananas via the in-game console
15:29<NeO_Anderson>I don't need to edit anything?
15:30<NeO_Anderson>just put in the datafolder and restart server and it works?
15:30<Yexo>you don't even need to restart the server
15:30<NeO_Anderson>do clients have to have the GRF installed too?
15:30<NeO_Anderson>oh ok
15:30<Yexo>executing rescan_grfs is enough (or something like that, not sure of the exact name)
15:30<NeO_Anderson>I see
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15:30<NeO_Anderson>ty
15:30<Yexo>an dyes, clients need to have the same newgrfs
15:30<NeO_Anderson>ahh
15:30<NeO_Anderson>okies
15:39<dihedral>and if you get your grf from the online content server, then the clients can too
15:41<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r16786 /trunk/src/airport_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3027] (r16752): only one tile was selected when the build airport window was opened instead of an area with the size of the airport
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16:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r16787 /trunk/src/ (airport_gui.cpp window_gui.h): -Fix [FS#3027]: the noise level text in the airport build window was drawn over the lowest button
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16:57<@Belugas>led zep... hmmmmm so goooooddd.....
16:57<@Belugas>another thing that is good... is... fairwell goodbies!!!
16:57<@Belugas>bye bye then
16:57<@petern>i only have one :(
16:58<@Belugas>hoo... shall we fix that?
16:58<@Belugas>i guess we should
16:58<@petern>could do :)
16:58<Nite_Owl>later Belugas
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16:59<dragonhorseboy>just wondering but I take it ottd could be changed to use a different port for multiplayer hosting?
17:00<@Belugas>pantoute, estie!
17:01*Belugas is gone
17:01<Yexo>dragonhorseboy: yes, it's somewhere in the config file
17:01<@Rubidium>ofcourse you can change OpenTTD to use a different port, after all its open source
17:01<dragonhorseboy>ty I'll look at that later
17:01<dragonhorseboy>wanted to check about a different port for routers-sake when that time comes ^-^
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17:09<dragonhorseboy>ah ok found it
17:13<dragonhorseboy>hmm ok whats next to plan now...
17:15<dragonhorseboy>any of you got any spare usb printer bridge adapter? hehe :-)
17:17*Rubidium got an utp printer bridge adapter (if you can call it that)
17:24<dragonhorseboy>only if some decent printers could actually come with ethernet rather than only usb alone (the only old example I know of is hp deskjet 1600 which actually had one jetdirect slot in back) .. but blah :-p
17:24<dragonhorseboy>and by that I mean just a printer .. none of these aio things
17:30<dihedral>r16787 <- thanks yexo :-)
17:32<planetmaker>dragonhorseboy: decent printers come with that for ages...
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17:32<planetmaker>like directly connected to the ethernet with their own IP
17:33<dihedral>planetmaker, i think he's considering decent printers < 200 Eur
17:33<dihedral>:-P
17:33<planetmaker>:P add on "0" and it comes possibly close :)
17:33<Ammler>which network protocol do you use for printers?
17:34<planetmaker>tcp/ip
17:34<dihedral>appletalk :-D
17:34<planetmaker>:D
17:34<planetmaker>I guess not quite here at 'versity.
17:35<dragonhorseboy>planetmaker...I've never ever seen one..they're always either only usb or comes in the useless all-in-one packages
17:35<planetmaker>But it's quite cool that I can print on the A0 plotter straight from my desktop over 1km distance.
17:35<dihedral>dragonhorseboy, you are not looking well enough
17:35<planetmaker>actually... if I asked, I could right here from home via VPN :P
17:36<dragonhorseboy>dihedral...no? the whole production range on epson, canon, and hp sites
17:36<dihedral>consider an a3 color laser
17:36<Ammler>I changed from TCP/IP to IPP, wondering, if that works better
17:36<dihedral>something that can also copy and perhaps staple :-P
17:36<planetmaker>Ammler: hm... some might. Not sure anymore actually :)
17:37<dihedral>dragonhorseboy, they devide their product range into private, small business, medium and large business
17:37<dragonhorseboy>I already have an oversized scanner that I prefer alone instead (try find any home all-in-one printer that can handle a 12x14" scan job heh)
17:37<@Rubidium>Ammler: TCP/IP to IPP is like TCP/IP to HTTP
17:37<dragonhorseboy>dihedral..doesn't really matter..the stores lump them into same list anyway
17:37<Ammler>I am a bit confused, TCP works well here, but an other pc has many problems, dunno, if that is the issue.
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17:37<@Rubidium>dragonhorseboy: maybe the hardware vendors in your country don't like IP-enabled printers
17:38<dihedral>dragonhorseboy, and if you really want to spend money, have a look at the plotters ^^
17:38<planetmaker>at work we have nothing else - except the portable ones for use on business trips.
17:38<Ammler>I have a 1m plotter here, if you need
17:38<dihedral>and no, they dont just exist with a parallel port connection
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17:39*Rubidium can print at his own or parents house from anywhere in the world ;)
17:39<dihedral>planetmaker, same here
17:39<Ammler>just the "gummiband" is broken
17:39<planetmaker>nothing else = nothing else than TCP/IP capable printers
17:39<@Rubidium>just a cheap HP 4050CN ;)
17:39<dragonhorseboy>do any plotters actually take individual papers (especially down to A4's)?
17:39<planetmaker>:)
17:39<dihedral>.....
17:39<planetmaker>dragonhorseboy: plotters usually not. They have a big role of paper...
17:39<dihedral>dragonhorseboy, stfg
17:39<dragonhorseboy>planetmaker..wouldn't work here then
17:40<dragonhorseboy>stfg?
17:40<dihedral>they print, they have a network card
17:40<dihedral>search the fucking google
17:40<planetmaker>dragonhorseboy: there's a difference between plotter and printer. And both can come with whatever network connection...
17:40<dihedral>dragonhorseboy, hp laserjet 4100 (not very new, but does a god job)
17:40<dragonhorseboy>planetmaker...well yeah I'm often doing different papers most turns (just like with the scanner itself) .. but more or less its often thin A4 papers
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17:41<planetmaker>that's a job for a printer. Not a plotter...
17:41<Ammler>[23:37] <Rubidium> Ammler: TCP/IP to IPP is like TCP/IP to HTTP <-- means?
17:41<planetmaker>And yes, the good printers have auto-select from like 3 different paper types
17:41<dihedral>Ammler, TCP/IP is required for either
17:41<planetmaker>or at least you can select manually the slot from which to print from
17:41<dihedral>it's how your network works
17:41<@Rubidium>Ammler: that IPP is a TCP protocol like HTTP, so not really different from TCP
17:42<Ammler>so if TCP doesn't work, IPP wouldn't either?
17:42<dihedral>Ammler, i did not expect you to actually need to ask somthing like that
17:42<Ammler>well, I will see :-)
17:42<dihedral>must say: cute!
17:42*dihedral pats Ammler on he head
17:42<@Rubidium>well, unless it isn't really TCP, but some vague unnamed protocol implemented on top of TCP (like IPP)
17:43<TrueBrain>'if TCP doesn't work' <- LOL!
17:43<planetmaker>completely unrelated, I must state, that a map with OpenGFX and no black boxes anywhere actually looks quite neat :)
17:43<TrueBrain>sorry .. that is just funny to read :)
17:43<dihedral>:-D
17:44<dihedral>Ammler: tcp/ip <- where else have you seen ... IP
17:44<dihedral>and if your computerhas no IP ......
17:44<dihedral>not the best example, but in your case it will do
17:45<dihedral>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=802083#p802083 <- why on earth can people not just use their standard file system browser?
17:45<Ammler>well network worked, the printer was accessable over web, just no job got there, as I changed it to lpp, it was fine. :-)
17:46<TrueBrain>welcome in the world of badly named thingies :)
17:46<Ammler>from my pc, I still use tcp/ip, so no real idea :-)
17:46<TrueBrain>Ammler: you should stop saying that
17:47<TrueBrain>it ... is silly to say :)
17:47<dihedral>so the web was accessible but no print job got there: clearly tcp was not working :-D
17:47<Ammler>saying what?
17:47<TrueBrain>'I still use tcp/ip'
17:47<TrueBrain>dihedral: YOU BROKE THE INTERNET!
17:47<dihedral>:-D
17:47<dihedral>i googled google
17:47<dragonhorseboy>hmm the laserjet 4100 looks nice. only I don't print much text-only papers tho so i guess I'll have to take a pass :S
17:47<@Rubidium>dragonhorseboy: why?
17:47<dragonhorseboy>256mb of memory .. thats nice for these big pdf files tho
17:47<Ammler>"Raw TCP/IP Printing "
17:47<TrueBrain>Ammler: much better ;)
17:48<dihedral>dragonhorseboy, that was an example of a networkable printer
17:48<dragonhorseboy>rubidium..colour? :)
17:48<Ammler>:P
17:48<dragonhorseboy>dihedral..yeah...still it looks way better than these frequent cheap/free 4M (or was that 4L?) ones that always pass hands around here
17:48<@Rubidium>a colour laserjet 4500dn (duplexer + almost 1000 pages worth of trays) doesn't cost that much
17:48<dragonhorseboy>these 4's seem to just refuse to die unless a major assembly blew I guess
17:49<dihedral>dragonhorseboy, and i thought you said you looked at all printers
17:49<dragonhorseboy>rubidium of course the other problem is the paper holder is usually made only for A4's
17:49<@Rubidium>50 euros + a few bottles of bad wine + 50 euros for a full set of toners which means you can print for ages
17:49<dragonhorseboy>bad wine? rofl
17:50<dihedral>just dont buy samsung colour laster, buying a full set of toner is more expensive than the entire printer :-P
17:50<Ammler>dihedral: why should you use bananas, you can download the grf with your web browser?
17:51<Ammler>imo, that is a suggestion with sense :-)
17:51<dragonhorseboy>one thing I do know tho...
17:52<Ammler>oh well, good night foks.
17:52<TrueBrain>night Ammler
17:52<TrueBrain>don't forget to close down your TCP/IP box
17:52<dragonhorseboy>hp officejet headers (or in the case of the three I've used) don't seem to always like thick A4 papers of three different brands .. they start gumming up after a few typical pages
17:52<Ammler>hehe
17:52<TrueBrain>;)
17:52<Ammler>I won't
17:53<dragonhorseboy>bye ammler :)
17:53<Ammler>dunno, if it ever will start again
17:53<dihedral>dragonhorseboy, if you read the specs carefully, printers are not always designed to take any pinter you feed to them
17:53<dihedral>Ammler: next time please also enable netbui :-D
17:54<dragonhorseboy>dihedral...and the usual A4 papers are too thin to be effective when taped to glass walls in sun-facing storefront windows
17:54<Nite_Owl>later Ammler
17:54<dragonhorseboy>so go figure with these hp printers :)
17:54<TrueBrain>dihedral: netbEui
17:54<planetmaker>night Ammler
17:54<SpComb>there's a 10cm high stack of waste paper next to the printer here with random HTTP requests printed on them
17:54<Ammler>LPR/LPD is the 3th there
17:54<Ammler>rd
17:54<dragonhorseboy>at least A2 photo papers seem to be about all the same thing just differing only by price and re-brands
17:55<dragonhorseboy>spcomb rofl
17:55<SpComb>seems someone did some random HTTP port scans and hit the printer
17:55<SpComb>and it emptied out the paper tray
17:55<dihedral>dragonhorseboy, depending on where paper enters and exits the printer you can normally feed them 130g/m^2
17:55<TrueBrain>SpComb: sucks to use IPP :)
17:55<Ammler>mäh :P
17:55<SpComb>nobody could figure out a stable samba/cups server to put it behind
17:56<dihedral>Ammler: 3rd NOT 3th
17:56<TrueBrain>dihedral: he already corrected himself
17:56<TrueBrain>no need to do it again
17:56<dihedral>who knows ^^
17:56<Ammler>thanks and real night now
17:56<TrueBrain>sleep well Ammler
17:56<TrueBrain>don't let the bed bugs bite you
17:57<dihedral>if they do, squeeze them tight and they wont be back tomorrow night
17:58<Nite_Owl>yuck
17:59<dihedral>*pop*
17:59<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r16788 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Fix: with modified_catchment off the build road station window would not display all possible cargos in the Accepts/Supplies lists
18:00*dragonhorseboy still wishes I could have the $ to afford one of the dell 24" lcd monitor :P
18:00*TrueBrain enjoys his 2x 22"
18:00<dragonhorseboy>but till then I guess I'll still keep my 17" crt I got aside to picking an used 17" lcd to put on the other pc due soon .. works anyway
18:01*Rubidium enjoys his 15" ;)
18:01<Yexo>why buy a 24" when you can buy 3 22" for the same price?
18:01<TrueBrain>3x 22" WD .. that would be total overkill
18:01<dragonhorseboy>yexo..because the dell one comes with both displayport and video-in (no tv part so I don't think its really a lcdtv as per or is it?)
18:01<dragonhorseboy>heh
18:03<dihedral>and a tv must have a good res!
18:03<Nite_Owl>would you not need a video tuner card to get any real use out of it
18:03<TrueBrain>32" 720p TV .. hmm ...
18:03<TrueBrain>I am spoiled :(
18:03<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r16789 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: unify the drawing of the Accepts/Supplies cargo lists in the station build windows.
18:03<dragonhorseboy>nite_owl..not true.. can plug the game console and dvr/cablebox into this dell 24" lcd anyway
18:04<dragonhorseboy>truebrain heh
18:04<dihedral>and a game console has no tv tuner card...?
18:04<dihedral>my word - i am bitching again
18:04<dihedral>night
18:04<Nite_Owl>yes but then you cannot use your PC as a DVR
18:04<TrueBrain>night dihedral
18:04<dragonhorseboy>truebrain I've been considering skipping on a tv for the living room and just use a projector alone instead
18:04<Nite_Owl>later dihedral
18:04<TrueBrain>projectors .. bah
18:04<planetmaker>g'night folks
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18:05<dragonhorseboy>seem a lot cheaper considering I don't quite even buy new titles much at all so HD is a tad pointless to dump $ on
18:05<Nite_Owl>later planetmaker
18:05<dragonhorseboy>:)
18:05<TrueBrain>I have a 13m^2 room, and I have a 32" TV and 2x 22" WD computer screens ... haha
18:06<TrueBrain>dragonhorseboy: 720p is worth it ... so much!
18:06<dragonhorseboy>truebrain...for what actual reason with most of the movies being only ntsc formatted anyway?
18:06<dragonhorseboy>;)
18:07<TrueBrain>hmm .. I wonder when it was the last time I worried about regions ...
18:07<TrueBrain>when downloading a new xbox game I guess
18:07<TrueBrain>720p mkv via PC via HDMI to TV .. I don't see the problem with regions :p
18:08<dragonhorseboy>where did I said regions?
18:08<TrueBrain>NTSC
18:08<TrueBrain>is a region
18:08*Rubidium feels so poor with well... 10m^2, no TV and 1 15" computer screen
18:08<TrueBrain>NTSC-J and PAL being the other 2 (which matters)
18:08<dragonhorseboy>no...
18:09<dragonhorseboy>truebrain..look up the res for ntsc
18:09<TrueBrain>then you should be more specific :) Little people rever to resolution when using NTSC
18:09<TrueBrain>that said ... most of the movies of the last 3 years are available in high-res :p
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18:10<dragonhorseboy>well ntsc is actually a res name as much as people might not like that
18:10<@Rubidium>high-res? I still need to upscale them :(
18:10<TrueBrain>TSC (National Television System Committee) is the analog television system that was used in most of the Americas, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Burma, and some Pacific island nations and territories (see map).
18:10<TrueBrain>NTSC (National Television System Committee) is the analog television system that was used in most of the Americas, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Burma, and some Pacific island nations and territories (see map).
18:10<TrueBrain>dragonhorseboy: where in that is there any reference to resolution? :)
18:11<TrueBrain>and it has mostly to do with colour .. but okay :)
18:12<Eddi|zuHause><TrueBrain> hmm .. I wonder when it was the last time I worried about regions ... <- the only people who are at a disadvantage are the honest buyers
18:12<dragonhorseboy>where it says 480x320
18:12<TrueBrain>dragonhorseboy: no, it doesn't. But I know a solution to this discusion: show where it defines resolution?
18:12<dragonhorseboy>and pal is 576x320 (and you wonder why converting a movie isn't always so simple to convert from pal to ntsc unless you wan tto live with a vertical squish effect)
18:13<Eddi|zuHause>where did you get those values from?
18:13<dragonhorseboy>eddi..any standards for ntsc/pal will tell you
18:13<TrueBrain>dragonhorseboy: show us
18:13<TrueBrain>please do
18:13<TrueBrain>enlight us
18:13<TrueBrain>as I wonder why xbox games can be NTSC, and how that relates to any resolution
18:14<@Rubidium>NTSC (according to the specs) has 525 scanlines of which 486 are visible, so 486 should be the resolution in Y direction
18:14<Eddi|zuHause>and pal has 576 active lines
18:15<Eddi|zuHause>most digital channels send in 720x576
18:15<Eddi|zuHause>some in 480x576
18:15<TrueBrain>I love that NTSC is 29.97 fps :p
18:15<TrueBrain>who thought that was a good idea? :)
18:15<dragonhorseboy>well I suspect it had to do with analog components early on many years ago
18:15<dragonhorseboy>:)
18:16<TrueBrain>you are still evading our request to support your claims
18:16<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: i always thought that was related to the power system being 60Hz
18:16<TrueBrain>that NTCS is a reference to a resolution, rather then a region with standards
18:16<Eddi|zuHause>as opposed to the 50Hz in europe
18:16<dragonhorseboy>truebrain..blame it on their sites being crappy slow like its about 1-2kb/s upload from them
18:16<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: possible; still is annoying :)
18:16<dragonhorseboy>I'm still rather waiting for the page to even show
18:17<@Rubidium>the refresh frequency was shifted slightly downward to 59.94 Hz to eliminate stationary dot patterns in the color carrier
18:17<Eddi|zuHause>i'm still amazed by the "solution" of converting 24Hz movies to 25Hz PAL by playing them 4% faster
18:17<KenjiE20>oh btw dragonhorseboy
18:18<Eddi|zuHause>(which results in music being roughly one half tone higher)
18:18<KenjiE20>you were questing after a burner earlier?
18:19<dragonhorseboy>kenjie20...yeah?
18:19*petern sniggers at dragonhorseboy's limited understanding
18:19*dragonhorseboy whacks site to hurry up already
18:19<KenjiE20>you tried "infrarecorder" 3Mb big and does pretty much everything you could reasonably need
18:19<@petern>Eddi|zuHause, "amazed"... it's fairly obvious, and 4% isn't really noticable unless you do a side-by-side compare
18:19<KenjiE20>* add a ? in there somewhere
18:20*Rubidium ponders daily removing 4% of Kenji's bank account
18:20<KenjiE20>nooes
18:20<TrueBrain>hmm ... slowing down real life by 4% .. 4% more work done ...
18:20<TrueBrain>would be useful
18:20<@petern>you'd notice it if it changed 4% every time :p
18:20<@Rubidium>after all, it isn't really noticable
18:20<Eddi|zuHause>petern: i also never noticed, until i had an american tv recording and a european (british, i think) tv recording side by side
18:21<@petern>you never noticed that ntsc is shit?
18:21<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: ah well, days are progressively taking longer yet noone is complaining about that
18:21<Eddi|zuHause>petern: well, i did, that's why i got the british recording ;)
18:21<TrueBrain>ntsc is shit
18:21<dragonhorseboy>kenjie20 hmm no..that looks nice. I'll have to try it ;)
18:21<@petern>no doubt dragonhorseboy won't like that claim either :)
18:22<@Rubidium>the shittyness of NTSC might've been a good thing for the introduction of HDTV
18:22<Eddi|zuHause>i didn't have a lot of contact with NTSC before
18:22<@petern>(except it's fact)
18:22<@Rubidium>as here in the Netherlands there's like 0 local HD channels
18:22<TrueBrain>90% of the downloads I did last month was HDTV (720p) :$
18:22<KenjiE20>it's my replacement for Nero now, does all the same gumpf I need from it, at a fraction of the cost
18:22<TrueBrain>Rubidium: no longer true! :)
18:22<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: yeah, might explain why HDTV has not picked up yet in europe
18:22<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: name me one that isn't local
18:22<TrueBrain>well, depends on what you define as 'local'
18:22<@Rubidium>Tour de France isn't local
18:23<TrueBrain>Ned1 is going HD
18:23<@Rubidium>Disco/NGC isn't local
18:23<TrueBrain>if it wasn't already
18:23<TrueBrain>RTL4 is going HD
18:23<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: "is going" != "is"
18:23<TrueBrain>yeah, I believe next monday
18:23<TrueBrain>so close enough
18:23<dragonhorseboy>heh..i actually wishes SECAM had been more popular and especially to take over north america but ... >_<
18:23<dragonhorseboy>wished*
18:23<TrueBrain>or last monday .. but I lost track of time .. HOLIDAY!!!
18:23<Eddi|zuHause>dragonhorseboy: SECAM is almost as shit as NTSC
18:24<@petern>analogue delay line!
18:24<TrueBrain>Rubidium: either way, Ned1 was HD up to 24 aug 2008 for certain operators
18:24<Eddi|zuHause>dragonhorseboy: the soviet union purchased SECAM from france, and forced every sattelite state to use SECAM. the TV producers in east germany protested, because PAL was a lot better
18:24<dragonhorseboy>eddi..but at least it was cleaner on cabling and not to mention that secam actually had a bus for device control too
18:24<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: but ONLY for 'foreign' content, all local content was upscaled
18:24<Eddi|zuHause>but they still were forced to implement SECAM
18:25<dragonhorseboy>eddi.. secam actually has a pal version as well for the footnote
18:25<@Rubidium>which is kinda defeating the point of HD, and thus not HD
18:25<TrueBrain>Rubidium: true true; still, you asked for 'channel', not 'content' ;) (to stay as picky as you can be :p)
18:25<Eddi|zuHause>then they tried to put SECAM-only TVs on the marked (to have the people only be able to watch western tv in black&white)
18:25<Eddi|zuHause>but nobody bought them
18:26<TrueBrain>Rubidium: since 4 july
18:26<dragonhorseboy>bah..I guess the offical site's server is a garbage of poop...hmm...brb
18:26<Eddi|zuHause>all people bought dual PAL/SECAM models
18:26<TrueBrain>ned1 is HD
18:26<@petern>the official server, huh?
18:26<TrueBrain>all Ster stuff is
18:26<Eddi|zuHause>and funnily, the east german broadcasting stations used PAL internally, because it is much better for processing (cutting, etc.)
18:26<Eddi|zuHause>which made it very easy to switch to PAL after the reunification
18:30<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r16790 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_vehicle.cpp ai_vehicle.hpp ai_vehicle.hpp.sq): -Add [NoAI]: AIVehicle::GetReliability to get the current reliability of vehicles
18:31<dragonhorseboy>well here's a site and it shows that ntsc is 480 horizontal lines in a frame and at 4:3 ratio (so we can assume 320 for vertical from there anyway) http://www.burnworld.com/dvd/primer/ntsc.htm
18:31<TrueBrain>one site .. yeah .. that proofs a lot :)
18:31<TrueBrain>tnx!
18:32<dragonhorseboy>mention of captioning reminds me of seeing these screenshots of the teletext system oversea and always wondering why that never worked well over here :/
18:32<dragonhorseboy>truebrain..just look up any other ntsc (I dunno why the offical one is down) pages and they'll repeat the same thing
18:32<TrueBrain>yeah, that it is an instititute which made a standard, very good :)
18:33<TrueBrain>I wish you all a very good night
18:33<Nite_Owl>later TrueBrain
18:33<dragonhorseboy>bye truebrain :)
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18:35<Nite_Owl>time to feed - later all
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18:36<dragonhorseboy>anyway i guess one reason I'm not that interested in a large tv is because both the speaker and tv tuner aspects would be useless (former one right away and latter one in a few months) so may as well as save some good $ and just go for the projector instead
18:36<dragonhorseboy>to our own ways of course :-)
18:37<@petern>TO EACH OUR OWN
18:37<@petern>dragonhorseboy, lolol
18:38<dragonhorseboy>hm?
18:38<@petern>dragonhorseboy, it's 4:3 ...
18:38<@petern>not 3:4
18:38<@petern>however
18:38<@petern>it's also
18:38<@petern>ANALOGUE
18:38<@petern>480 horizontal lines
18:38<dragonhorseboy>I said 4:3 as well..whats your point?
18:39<@petern>480 horizontal lines at 4:3 aspect would be, oddly enough, 640 'pixels' horizontally
18:39<@petern>oh look, VGA
18:39<@petern>however, it's analogue, there is not horizontal resolution, other than bandwidth
18:41<Eddi|zuHause>for digital sources, the pixels are usually not quadratic
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18:42<Eddi|zuHause>like they send in 720x576, but 4:3 would be 768x578, or 16:9 would be 1024x576
18:42<Eddi|zuHause>the display has to stretch the picture then to the desired aspect ratio
18:42<@petern>yarr
18:42<@petern>well
18:43<@petern>only stretched if you're outputting to a digital frame buffer :)
18:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16791 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: unify (and document) the Remove[StationType] functions.
18:46<Eddi|zuHause>dragonhorseboy: just for reference: 480 horizontal lines means 480 vertical resolution
18:47<Eddi|zuHause>the number of lines is usually the second figure in a resolution
18:47<Eddi|zuHause>so NTSC resolution is XXX:480
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18:50<Coco-Banana-Man>hi there
18:51<Yexo>hello fruit-man
18:51<Eddi|zuHause>what does a coco-banana look like? does it have a banana shaped hard hull?
18:52<Sacro>hull?
18:53<Eddi|zuHause>no, then i'd have said 'ull
18:54<dragonhorseboy>ok..oven's broiling my supper now :P
18:55<Eddi|zuHause>is "broiling" an actual word?
18:56<Eddi|zuHause>in (eastern) germany, "broiler" means a grilled half chicken
18:56<Sacro>yeah, it's a word
18:56<@Rubidium>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/broil <- proof enough?
18:56<Eddi|zuHause>and in western germany, the word was practically unknown
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18:57<Eddi|zuHause>which is weird, because if it is an english-derived word, why would the usually english learning western population not know it
18:57<Eddi|zuHause>while the usually russian learning eastern population does
18:57<@Rubidium>it's from french/latin
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18:59<dragonhorseboy>half chicken..is that like with only one leg? :P
18:59<Sacro>not if it's the bottom half
18:59<Eddi|zuHause>means it is one chicken that is cut in half length-wise
18:59<dragonhorseboy>heh ok..never heard of or seen that here
18:59<Eddi|zuHause>but being french-derived could be an explanation
19:00<dragonhorseboy>although I do recall I first learned of Crepes on the first holiday to paris a good several years ago
19:00<Eddi|zuHause>lots of french derived words came to germany through the hugenottes
19:00<Eddi|zuHause>which were protestantic christians driven out of france, and they found refuge in prussia
19:01<dragonhorseboy>basically just a thin pancake (can be normal recipe with more milk added as I have done) then when its ready .. pour the filling on and roll it up then eat :)
19:01<Eddi|zuHause>i do know what Crepes is
19:01<Eddi|zuHause>my mother is a french teacher, after all ;)
19:01<dragonhorseboy>I always liked chocolate ones :)
19:02<dragonhorseboy>I still have to ponder the meaning of 'beaver tails' tho (yes thats a food)
19:02<Eddi|zuHause>i only know the "beaver tails" that you put on the roof...
19:02<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: she teaches French or she teaches in France or she teaches and is born in France?
19:02<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: the first one
19:03<dragonhorseboy>eddi here's a photo for you: http://leah.theblog.ca/wp-content/photos/DSC05801.JPG
19:03<Eddi|zuHause>she was born in east germany...
19:03<Eddi|zuHause>which is common amongst east germans :p
19:03<dragonhorseboy>and yes the farthest one does seem to have a sauce covering it
19:04<Eddi|zuHause>dragonhorseboy: i still have no idea what this is...
19:05<dragonhorseboy>eddi one thing in history I do know about tho is how during WWII one hopsital room in Ottawa (forgot exact name now) was decleared Dutch soil so the exiled queen could have her baby dutch-born
19:05<dragonhorseboy>anyway broiling should be done...bbl
19:06<Eddi|zuHause>they kind of left out that part in our history lessons..
19:06<Eddi|zuHause>there are kinda more important matters to teach about that time...
19:07<Eddi|zuHause>and whenever my grandfather starts talking about the time, he almost breaks out in tears...
19:07<Eddi|zuHause>he was wounded in stalingrad...
19:08<Eddi|zuHause>a few days later, and he wouldn't have been able to get out
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19:39<dragonhorseboy>back
19:42<Eddi|zuHause>oh no!
19:42*dragonhorseboy throws some rca cables at eddi
19:43<dragonhorseboy>:P
19:46<dragonhorseboy>anyway at least the audio side here is pretty easy.. just four room speakers, one audio receiver, computer + game consoles + video decks audio outputs to the receiver. nothing more ;)
19:47<Eddi|zuHause>i have no idea what your problem is... i have a PC with a sat receiver card...
19:48<dragonhorseboy>I prefer seperated especially considering the cold bootup time most pcs take neverminding electricity. but then :p
19:49<Eddi|zuHause>who said anything about booting?
19:51<Eddi|zuHause>and a game console is useless
19:52<dragonhorseboy>not really ;)
19:52<Eddi|zuHause>by the time i would get to buy the next game, it would be two generations outdated
19:53<dragonhorseboy>wipeout, vanishing point, burnout takedown, spyro, pokemon (especially DS0, and do I have to go on with what i got here? ;)
19:53<dragonhorseboy>DS0=DS)*
19:53<Eddi|zuHause>so you're one of those killergame players the politicians always talk about
19:54<dragonhorseboy>the what?
19:54<Eddi|zuHause>because guns don't kill people, computer games do
19:54<dragonhorseboy>lol...well had you actually read the uk news about banning some games due to guns&blood? ;)
19:54<KenjiE20>guns don't kill people wrappers do
19:55<Eddi|zuHause>i don't have to read uk news for that
19:55<Eddi|zuHause>german news are bad enough
19:55*KenjiE20 goes to find that track for daftness sake
19:56<Eddi|zuHause>they even forbade playing warcraft 3 on a (adult only) lan party
19:56<Eddi|zuHause>because of the children
19:56<dragonhorseboy>I've seen the retail boxes but never bothered playing these kind of games
19:57<dragonhorseboy>only online games I got would be PSO V1 and (admittly not ever ran it much anymore these months) Descent2. everything else are just single/two player games
19:58<dragonhorseboy>I guess some of these DS games might be but I've never bothered checking
19:58<Eddi|zuHause>well, 50 years ago it was rock and roll music, 30 years ago it was rock music, 15 years ago it was rap music, and now it is computer games
19:58<Eddi|zuHause>and each generation of youths is always worse than the last one
19:59<Eddi|zuHause>and could please anyone think of the children
19:59<KenjiE20>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv-2XYOtgCg hehe
19:59<Eddi|zuHause>dragonhorseboy: warcraft 3 is not (necessarily) an online game
19:59<Eddi|zuHause>do not confuse with world of warcraft
20:00<@Belugas>Eddi|zuHause, i'm still in rock music. not evolving, i guess
20:00<@Belugas>ho.. false.. i'm on tv watching too...
20:01<dragonhorseboy>heh
20:06<dragonhorseboy>I do wish some long-ended tv series actually bothered coming out on dvd season discs. some companies seem a bit stubborn about it so at the moment both I have to keep my various stack of recorded tapes and use the occassional torrents altogether
20:07<dragonhorseboy>especially Rescue 911 as well
20:08<dragonhorseboy>-_-
20:10<dragonhorseboy>anyway guess I'm off
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21:23<bp0>hello
21:23<bp0>its been a year or so since i played openttd, but i remember there was an option for loading trains that would fill up one trainbefore loading another instead of loading both half way
21:23<bp0>where is that option?
21:23<bp0>what is it called
21:31<FauxFaux>Thingie..
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21:32<Sacro>FIFO loading
21:37<bp0>is it in advanced settings?
21:37<bp0>what section
21:44<bp0>i don't see it
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22:59<Trenskow>which gui is recomended for development under mac os x?
22:59<Trenskow>i know previously xcode projects files were included, but it doesn't seem to be anymore
23:00<Trenskow>emacs? :)
23:05<Sacro>vim
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23:14<Trenskow>is bjarni still with the openttd project ?
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