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| 03:08 | <blathijs> | Aali: isn't x=x++ undefined behaviour in C? |
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| 04:44 | <Forked> | meep |
| 04:45 | <TrueBrain> | soef soef |
| 04:47 | <Forked> | sorry about that, my efnet server was borked and you were the first to think of to ping here to double check it wasn't my connection (or my isp) :) |
| 04:52 | <TrueBrain> | I thought it was funny :) |
| 04:53 | <Alberth> | isn't is "meep meep", "zoef" ? |
| 04:54 | <TrueBrain> | Alberth: yeah, but that is no fun |
| 04:55 | <Alberth> | agreed :) |
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| 05:02 | <planetmaker> | salut :) |
| 05:03 | <planetmaker> | Alberth, concerning the screenshot thread: Even though OpenGFX isn't finished (what NewGRF ever is?), IMO the OpenGFX version of my tropical scenario looks nicer :) - more diverse station images and better lake graphics mainly :) |
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| 05:05 | <Alberth> | yes, that's the problem. It looks so much nicer :) |
| 05:06 | <planetmaker> | Well... I don't see why the fact that OpenGFX isn't entirely finished is a problem :) |
| 05:06 | <planetmaker> | well... might be for playing in toyland... |
| 05:07 | <planetmaker> | And I have to admit: I bulldozed two buildings which were black boxes :P |
| 05:07 | <Alberth> | that's also a way to get rid of black boxes :) |
| 05:07 | <planetmaker> | but I guess they're gone in latest one month :) |
| 05:08 | <Alberth> | maybe we should implement such an auto-bulldoze function :p |
| 05:08 | <planetmaker> | born_acorn tackles one, and the other another guy whose name I forgot |
| 05:08 | <planetmaker> | haha :) |
| 05:08 | <planetmaker> | luckily OpenTTD has no such function to know what the sprite looks like :) |
| 05:09 | <planetmaker> | OpenTTD beautiness verification routine :P |
| 05:09 | <Alberth> | 'hmm, this sprite uses only one colour, that cannot be good' |
| 05:10 | <Alberth> | Well you've got the name problem covered adequately already :) |
| 05:10 | <planetmaker> | lol :) |
| 05:12 | <Alberth> | To be fair to OpenGFX, maybe we should add a few screenshots with it. |
| 05:12 | <planetmaker> | maybe it will make people ask "where can I get that newgrf?" :) |
| 05:13 | <Alberth> | I'll wait a bit longer though, there are only 2 usable shots now. |
| 05:13 | <planetmaker> | no rush :) |
| 05:13 | <planetmaker> | btw, I also think that the bit more uniform base tiles make toyland look so much better :) |
| 05:14 | <planetmaker> | I kinda start to like it :) |
| 05:15 | <Alberth> | yes it does. I used to play toyland several years back without much problems. Last week I tried it again, but closed the window very soon due to the awful distracting colours. The OpenGFX variant is much nicer, but not very playable due to all the black boxed industries imho. |
| 05:16 | <planetmaker> | yes, I fully agree. It's virtually impossible to find the proper industry where to deliver your cargo |
| 05:17 | <planetmaker> | I really hope that someone dares to take on the missing industry sprites soon... |
| 05:17 | <Alberth> | maybe you should give your black boxes different colours :p |
| 05:17 | <planetmaker> | :) Well... it would be a very dirty hack :) |
| 05:18 | <Alberth> | or an advertisement 'your sprite could be here' |
| 05:18 | <planetmaker> | the black boxes are actually quite nice to really show "here's missing something!" |
| 05:18 | <planetmaker> | Now... that is a nice idea! |
| 05:18 | <planetmaker> | :) |
| 05:19 | <Alberth> | yeah, the black boxes do push the idea 'we need a sprite' very good :) |
| 05:19 | <planetmaker> | they're generated actually very easily: taken the original *.grf. And made everything black which was not pure white :) |
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| 05:20 | <planetmaker> | so... OpenGFX includes the modified original files where everything is blackened :) |
| 05:21 | <Alberth> | luckily, the original bits cannot be recovered like on a HD |
| 05:21 | <planetmaker> | :) |
| 05:21 | <planetmaker> | and black boxes can hardly be copyrighted ;) |
| 05:21 | <Alberth> | you'd be amazed what is possible :) |
| 05:21 | <planetmaker> | :) I guess.... but, well... |
| 05:22 | <Alberth> | getting actual money for use of black boxes will be a bit more difficult though |
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| 05:23 | <planetmaker> | well, the point is to be safe. Whether for money or other claims. (besides an alternative) |
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| 05:31 | <Ammler> | Alberth: maybe, we could replace the black boxes with google ads? |
| 05:32 | <Alberth> | yeah, but if you click on it, we don't get paid by google :( |
| 05:32 | <@Rubidium> | Alberth: actually, we ought to make it do that... makes them even more useless for industries! |
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| 06:01 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r16841 /trunk/src/ (autoreplace_gui.cpp saveload/vehicle_sl.cpp town_cmd.cpp): -Cleanup: spaces/tabs where they don't belong |
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| 06:13 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r16842 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup: add some spaces around a few operators |
| 06:26 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: alberth * r16843 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h): -Codechange: More documentation for the WWT_MATRIX widget, and better variable names in matrix rendering function. |
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| 06:40 | <Noldo> | cleaning day? |
| 06:42 | <edeca> | Looks like it |
| 06:42 | <TrueBrain> | how is your room doing? |
| 06:43 | <yorick> | hey edeca |
| 06:43 | <yorick> | long time no see :p |
| 06:44 | <edeca> | Hi yorick |
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| 06:45 | <edeca> | I encountered a brief bored weekend and decided to play games again. |
| 06:45 | <edeca> | Theme Hospital, specifically |
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| 06:46 | <dragonhorseboy> | hey |
| 06:46 | <@Rubidium> | TrueBrain: still nobody has donate a roomba to me |
| 06:46 | <yorick> | hey dragonhorseboy |
| 06:46 | <yorick> | fundraisers :) |
| 06:46 | <dragonhorseboy> | how're you yorick? |
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| 06:47 | <TrueBrain> | poor Rubidium |
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| 06:53 | <dragonhorseboy> | well either way I wanted ask if you had to use digital output (instead of vga) to get scaling/etc in a pc or no? |
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| 06:56 | <TrueBrain> | I love scaling PCs |
| 06:56 | <TrueBrain> | I heat them up to around 1000C |
| 06:56 | <TrueBrain> | then they become .. scalable |
| 06:56 | <TrueBrain> | very cool feature |
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| 06:57 | <dragonhorseboy> | truebrain are you even reading? |
| 06:57 | <dragonhorseboy> | "output" and "vga" .. what else |
| 06:57 | <dragonhorseboy> | :p |
| 06:58 | <TrueBrain> | ah, yes, you make so much more sense now |
| 06:58 | * | dragonhorseboy pokes truebrain to change to smallbrain unless he can actually read properly |
| 06:58 | <dragonhorseboy> | :p |
| 06:58 | <TrueBrain> | .... |
| 06:58 | <TrueBrain> | let me see if I can count to 10 today |
| 06:59 | <Noldo> | dragonhorseboy: why would you want to scale pc? |
| 07:00 | <TrueBrain> | or he want to scale something in his pc |
| 07:00 | <TrueBrain> | maybe ... his CPU? |
| 07:00 | <TrueBrain> | twice as big CPU is twice as fast |
| 07:00 | <TrueBrain> | (or 4, depending on how you scale, I guess) |
| 07:00 | <Noldo> | why would a buy one in the first place if it's in the wrong scale? |
| 07:00 | <dragonhorseboy> | noldo..its not the pc |
| 07:00 | <TrueBrain> | so confusing :( |
| 07:01 | <@Rubidium> | it's IN the PC. That'd mean that he wants to scale the space IN the PC that isn't the PC, so it sounds like he wants to know whether you need digital output for a TARDIS like vehicle. |
| 07:02 | <TrueBrain> | zero-space! |
| 07:02 | <TrueBrain> | or maybe he just means that he wants to be able to make his PC bigger one day, and make it smaller the other |
| 07:02 | <TrueBrain> | have a bit of scale in his PC, so to say :p |
| 07:06 | <TrueBrain> | Rubidium: btw, it suprises me that your ignore list is to narrow minded .. I expected more of your ignore list :p |
| 07:06 | <Noldo> | in this economic climate one needs to scale back |
| 07:06 | <TrueBrain> | to = so |
| 07:06 | <dragonhorseboy> | nevermind I got answer from someone else ;) |
| 07:06 | <TrueBrain> | there was someone who understood you?! WOW! |
| 07:07 | <TrueBrain> | that is one amazing person |
| 07:09 | <dragonhorseboy> | now... intel board or not... hmm heh |
| 07:11 | <TrueBrain> | not |
| 07:11 | <TrueBrain> | (I love borat) |
| 07:12 | <dragonhorseboy> | truebrain .. I don't see one single borat in either newegg or scan.co.uk? :p |
| 07:12 | <dragonhorseboy> | heh |
| 07:12 | <dragonhorseboy> | brb |
| 07:18 | <dragonhorseboy> | back |
| 07:19 | <@Rubidium> | TrueBrain: if I would put everyone on my ignore list that annoys me a bit I better have a 'do not ignore' list |
| 07:19 | <TrueBrain> | Rubidium: fair enough :) |
| 07:23 | <planetmaker> | :) Manual ignore works best :) |
| 07:23 | <TrueBrain> | automated ignore |
| 07:23 | <TrueBrain> | if users talks more than N lines with no more than 5 chars, ignore |
| 07:23 | <TrueBrain> | hehe |
| 07:23 | <TrueBrain> | sounds reasonable |
| 07:23 | <dragonhorseboy> | :p |
| 07:24 | <planetmaker> | nah... a computer can never make as well sense as my convoluted mind - at least not that it suits me :P |
| 07:24 | <dragonhorseboy> | planetmaker at least you do know what that little button on front of case is for tho right? |
| 07:24 | <planetmaker> | I even think of removing the two persons from the ignore I have in my foes list at tt-forums |
| 07:24 | <@Rubidium> | the ignore list on the forums is pointless anyway |
| 07:24 | <planetmaker> | dragonhorseboy, hu? |
| 07:25 | <TrueBrain> | very pointless |
| 07:25 | <planetmaker> | yes... |
| 07:25 | <@Rubidium> | dragonhorseboy: 1) it isn't a button, 2) it's IRDA |
| 07:25 | <planetmaker> | I've actually no idea what you're talking about, dragonhorseboy ... |
| 07:26 | <TrueBrain> | planetmaker: join the club |
| 07:26 | <dragonhorseboy> | planetmaker I guess you are quite convoluted then |
| 07:26 | <planetmaker> | I've many buttons here, and I assume that I know the use of most, both hardware and software ones, but... ? |
| 07:26 | <dragonhorseboy> | either way I've only had one single irc ignore for a long time (still have it) .. one stupid person on freenode can't stop yelling abusive words nonstop |
| 07:27 | <dragonhorseboy> | a wonder he hasn't been banned from freenode :| |
| 07:32 | <edeca> | For annoying you specifically? :) |
| 07:32 | <edeca> | "user is K-Lined (annoyed dragonhorseboy)" |
| 07:32 | <TrueBrain> | can we blame him? |
| 07:32 | <dragonhorseboy> | edeca..nope..about everyone in the channel |
| 07:33 | <dragonhorseboy> | which is why I have to wonder why he never got banned yet |
| 07:33 | <TrueBrain> | a channel with 2 users |
| 07:33 | <dragonhorseboy> | truebrain.. 20+ active actually |
| 07:33 | <TrueBrain> | you have yourself a botnet, he? |
| 07:33 | <dragonhorseboy> | he even sometimes annoy ##electronics at times as I've heard from others |
| 07:34 | <edeca> | Who cares about an electronics channel? |
| 07:34 | <dragonhorseboy> | truebrain..all i got is just a simple irc client..thats all |
| 07:34 | * | edeca giggles# |
| 07:34 | <dragonhorseboy> | edeca..a lot..especially for house wirings too :) |
| 07:34 | <edeca> | dragonhorseboy: That was a joke. Check the user list for ##electronics on freenode. Hint: "edeca". |
| 07:35 | <edeca> | dragonhorseboy: If you need a bigger hint, send a postage paid envelope. |
| 07:35 | <TrueBrain> | edeca: ieuw |
| 07:35 | <edeca> | TrueBrain: You what? |
| 07:35 | <TrueBrain> | dirty talk :p |
| 07:36 | <edeca> | TrueBrain: YAY! |
| 07:36 | * | edeca goes to make coffee |
| 07:36 | <TrueBrain> | me too |
| 07:37 | * | yorick ieuws |
| 07:37 | <Forked> | coffee <3 |
| 07:37 | * | planetmaker slurps some tea |
| 07:37 | <yorick> | coffee will kill humanity! |
| 07:38 | <planetmaker> | and beware of di-hydrogenmonoxide |
| 07:38 | <planetmaker> | It kills thousands annually |
| 07:38 | <yorick> | very dangerous when inhaled! |
| 07:38 | <TrueBrain> | lol @ planetmaker |
| 07:38 | <@Rubidium> | the well ignored killer |
| 07:39 | <yorick> | http://www.fmylife.com/work/846195 |
| 07:39 | <TrueBrain> | you spoiled the joke :( |
| 07:40 | <yorick> | no, the fml spoiled the joke! |
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| 08:06 | <Limpaar> | Hi everyone... I have a problem in OTTD.. |
| 08:07 | <dragonhorseboy> | hm? |
| 08:07 | <Limpaar> | my trains are nor replaced automatically even tho I pressed replace trains to different type of trains |
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| 08:07 | <Limpaar> | trains have visited depos 5 times already but have not been upgraded |
| 08:08 | <Limpaar> | only one of them all upgraded.. others are still old ones ... why? |
| 08:08 | <SmatZ> | do you have enough money? |
| 08:08 | <Limpaar> | yes.. over 1 mil |
| 08:08 | <SmatZ> | you have to have at least ~500k after replacing |
| 08:08 | <SmatZ> | it's in the settings |
| 08:08 | <Limpaar> | trains to replace: From Ginzu to next level |
| 08:08 | <SmatZ> | try setting that value to zero |
| 08:08 | <SmatZ> | "Money after autoreplace" or so |
| 08:08 | <SmatZ> | in the Advanced settings |
| 08:09 | <Limpaar> | just a sec.. I'll check |
| 08:10 | <Limpaar> | hmm.. that helped... but why one train replaced?.. .I didn't have that much money when first one was replaced |
| 08:11 | <Limpaar> | well... anyway... now it works... thanx a lot |
| 08:14 | <SmatZ> | you are welcome :) |
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| 08:18 | <dragonhorseboy> | I've always had that particular ottd setting set to +6 months old and $0 cash required. then again I don't even use autoreplace much at all because by the time the engines are old there's likely train/network changes already due by then |
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| 08:46 | <@Belugas> | hello |
| 08:47 | <SmatZ> | hello Belugas |
| 08:48 | <planetmaker> | 'lo Belugas :) |
| 08:49 | <@Belugas> | hello boys |
| 08:49 | <@Belugas> | well... men... but still...) |
| 08:53 | <yorick> | hello Belugas |
| 08:54 | <planetmaker> | we're all young in the heart, Belugas - or we could just as well start grave digging, if we lost our youth there :) |
| 08:59 | <@Belugas> | yes indeed, we're still young at heart :) we still like toys! |
| 08:59 | <@Belugas> | just that..over the years, the towns are geting more expensive |
| 09:00 | <@Belugas> | and complex.. but still :D |
| 09:00 | * | planetmaker hugs Belugas. exactly! :) |
| 09:01 | * | yorick hugs Belugas |
| 09:01 | <@Belugas> | WOOOOOOW |
| 09:01 | <@Belugas> | I feel GooD |
| 09:01 | <@Belugas> | I Know That i Would |
| 09:02 | <planetmaker> | :-D |
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| 11:06 | <Noldo> | ''''' |
| 11:07 | <TrueBrain> | `````` |
| 11:07 | <PeterT> | !join #tycoon |
| 11:07 | <PeterT> | oops |
| 11:07 | <TrueBrain> | @kick PeterT wrong channel |
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| 11:07 | <SmatZ> | TrueBrain: you were faster :-p |
| 11:07 | <TrueBrain> | glx: your script is faluty |
| 11:08 | <TrueBrain> | SmatZ: sorry :) |
| 11:10 | <TrueBrain> | lol: mycom TOSLink connector: 15 euro |
| 11:11 | <TrueBrain> | conrad TOSLink conenctor: 5 euro |
| 11:11 | <TrueBrain> | identical (even the branch) |
| 11:11 | <SmatZ> | :) |
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| 11:14 | <yorick> | TrueBrain: that's no wrong channel, he just used ! instead of / :-) |
| 11:17 | <TrueBrain> | does it look like I care? |
| 11:17 | <TrueBrain> | (mwhahaha) |
| 11:17 | <dihedral> | :-D |
| 11:17 | <dihedral> | TrueBrain, who says that glx had a script :-D |
| 11:19 | <@Belugas> | we know |
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| 11:25 | <TrueBrain> | dihedral: I have knowledge of which you don't have any knowledge ;) |
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| 11:29 | <+glx> | and if it was possible, no script would be needed |
| 11:37 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: alberth * r16844 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Doc (r13182): Remove documentation of removed window event handling function. |
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| 12:33 | * | Akoz pokes Belugas |
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| 12:41 | <PeterT> | did you fix the patch Akoz? |
| 12:41 | <Akoz> | fix? |
| 12:42 | <planetmaker> | :) |
| 12:42 | <Akoz> | There are no known bugs |
| 12:42 | <Akoz> | if you have any please do let me know |
| 12:43 | <planetmaker> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=44319 <-- I guess he means his failed attempt to get it working |
| 12:43 | <@Belugas> | mmh? |
| 12:43 | <@Belugas> | who sommoned me? |
| 12:43 | <@Belugas> | who salmoned me? |
| 12:43 | <Akoz> | good morning :p |
| 12:43 | <@Belugas> | good afternoon |
| 12:44 | <Akoz> | no way |
| 12:44 | <Akoz> | youre in canada |
| 12:44 | <@Rubidium> | :O ... I like Salmon... if not bread in captivity |
| 12:44 | <@Belugas> | yeah and it's 12:45ish |
| 12:44 | <Akoz> | rly O_o |
| 12:44 | <@Belugas> | in a quiche! |
| 12:44 | <Akoz> | I like salmon regardless of how its bread |
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| 12:44 | <Akoz> | but 99% of it is bread in captivity |
| 12:45 | <@Rubidium> | but the other 1% tastes much better |
| 12:45 | <@Belugas> | well... there are parts of canada where it's not 12:45ish yet |
| 12:45 | <Akoz> | rly? |
| 12:45 | <@Belugas> | i guess you're not a salmon addict, otherwise you'd know |
| 12:45 | <@Rubidium> | but then, tastes differ ;) |
| 12:45 | <@Belugas> | or gastronom |
| 12:45 | <Akoz> | hmm |
| 12:45 | <@Belugas> | not gastropod, of course |
| 12:46 | <yorick> | Belugas is Canadian :O |
| 12:46 | * | yorick :Os |
| 12:46 | * | Akoz pokes yorick |
| 12:46 | <@Belugas> | i am??? holy shit! I never knew that!!! |
| 12:46 | <Akoz> | where are you from then? |
| 12:46 | <@Belugas> | my home? |
| 12:46 | <Akoz> | no no the other guy |
| 12:47 | <Akoz> | the one that's O:-ing |
| 12:47 | <@Belugas> | yorick? from my nghtmares! |
| 12:47 | <@Rubidium> | Belugas: lies... he was born onto my ignore list! |
| 12:47 | * | yorick pokes Akoz |
| 12:47 | <PeterT> | Akoz |
| 12:47 | <@Belugas> | lol |
| 12:47 | <PeterT> | did you see my compile? |
| 12:48 | <Akoz> | no peter |
| 12:48 | <@Belugas> | yeah, it was running in the toilets, last i've known |
| 12:48 | <Akoz> | try with another patch and see if you can make that working |
| 12:48 | <PeterT> | so what is this patch for if it doesnt work? |
| 12:48 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r16846 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the content download status window only use nested widgets |
| 12:49 | * | Akoz slaps yorick around a bit with a big yodeling PeterT |
| 12:49 | <yorick> | NOT THE PETERT |
| 12:49 | <yorick> | and I'm from the dutchlands |
| 12:49 | <Akoz> | oh yes. learn to like it |
| 12:50 | <Akoz> | ah. not far from here then |
| 12:50 | <yorick> | don't know know him |
| 12:50 | <yorick> | norse people... |
| 12:50 | <yorick> | not the norse peopl.. |
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| 12:53 | <Nick> | How do I take control over MY company in a saved online game? |
| 12:53 | <@Belugas> | mmh... poor Rubidium, living in the same country as yorick :( |
| 12:53 | <@Belugas> | use the CHEAT, Nick |
| 12:53 | <planetmaker> | Nick: use the cheat window. Or open a (local) server |
| 12:53 | <Nick> | the cheat? |
| 12:54 | <planetmaker> | ctrl+alt+c |
| 12:54 | <Nick> | i have loaded it offline... |
| 12:54 | <@Belugas> | yup. not the cheap. not the chip. the Cheat |
| 12:54 | <planetmaker> | chips... |
| 12:54 | <Nick> | ty |
| 12:54 | <@Belugas> | or the chic. or the sheik. maybe the shit. or ... |
| 12:55 | <planetmaker> | hm... chips and chicks? |
| 12:55 | <Nick> | "i have just betrayed my fellow competitors" |
| 12:55 | <@Belugas> | the check! |
| 12:55 | <planetmaker> | hehe @ Nick |
| 12:55 | <@Belugas> | chicks... right... |
| 12:56 | <planetmaker> | fish and chicks... :P |
| 12:56 | <@Belugas> | :D |
| 12:56 | <@Belugas> | check the sheik |
| 12:57 | <@Belugas> | cheat the chick |
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| 12:57 | <planetmaker> | :O |
| 12:57 | <planetmaker> | They might not like that :P |
| 12:57 | <@Belugas> | they don't have to know... |
| 12:57 | <planetmaker> | also true ;) |
| 12:58 | <@Belugas> | qucik, delete the logs!! |
| 12:58 | <planetmaker> | you may have both, wife and girl friend... just make sure they never meet.... |
| 12:59 | <@Belugas> | you know what? i don't like to live dangerously |
| 12:59 | <Chruker> | How does openttd decide where to put the downloaded content? One openttd folder have the stuff in the program folder and another stores it in my user settings location |
| 12:59 | <PeterT> | lol @ "<Belugas> or the chic. or the sheik. maybe the shit" |
| 12:59 | <Akoz> | just make sure to designate a seperate memory area for each that doesnt overlap |
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| 13:01 | <@Belugas> | memroy corruption is not reserved to computers only |
| 13:01 | <Akoz> | I was talking about your wives |
| 13:02 | <planetmaker> | Belugas, yeah... it needs too many things to remember... |
| 13:02 | <+glx> | Chruker: depends on openttd.cfg location |
| 13:03 | <dihedral> | http://pub.dihedral.de/images/bubbles/ |
| 13:03 | <dihedral> | :-) |
| 13:04 | <yorick> | I had such a thing with plastic fish once |
| 13:04 | <planetmaker> | bubbles is so much cooler :) |
| 13:04 | <planetmaker> | and they change colours |
| 13:05 | <dihedral> | yorick, i hooked it up to our continuous integration server |
| 13:05 | <dihedral> | any time a build or test fails, the bubbles hit the tube :-D |
| 13:06 | <planetmaker> | oh, the bubbles are released only when something fails? |
| 13:07 | <dihedral> | yep |
| 13:07 | <yorick> | does the colour depend on which build failed? |
| 13:07 | <dihedral> | once the new relay arrives, yes |
| 13:08 | <dihedral> | + a new LED ... (100 lumen) :-D |
| 13:08 | <dihedral> | that one has about 30 :-P |
| 13:08 | <planetmaker> | only? |
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| 13:08 | <dihedral> | for a LED that is pretty darn good |
| 13:09 | <planetmaker> | you can get 20...40% more even |
| 13:09 | <planetmaker> | http://lumiled.de/ |
| 13:09 | <planetmaker> | LUXEON® III Star High Power LEDs bieten 190+ Lumen pro |
| 13:09 | <planetmaker> | ^^ 90% more :) |
| 13:10 | <dihedral> | it already is a super flux led ^^ |
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| 13:10 | <dihedral> | "bieten bis zu 120 Lumen pro Einheit" |
| 13:10 | <dihedral> | that's 20% more |
| 13:11 | <planetmaker> | Luxeon III :) |
| 13:11 | <dihedral> | :-D |
| 13:11 | <planetmaker> | ^^ most power. Though lumen is... a bad unit |
| 13:11 | <planetmaker> | but good for physiological brightness |
| 13:11 | <dihedral> | i do want the developers to be able to SEE their code again |
| 13:11 | <planetmaker> | it should jump their throats, if it fails :P |
| 13:11 | <planetmaker> | would teach them greater care! :P |
| 13:12 | <dihedral> | another admin said, fill the tank with petrol and switch the led for a little flame, they will sure quickly learn not to commit crap :-D |
| 13:12 | <planetmaker> | :-D |
| 13:12 | <dihedral> | kawoooom |
| 13:12 | <planetmaker> | though... ^^ won't happen :) |
| 13:12 | <planetmaker> | it will just burn... unless you close the box |
| 13:12 | * | SmatZ closes the box |
| 13:13 | <Chruker> | Are there anyway to specify a single ai+save+config location for all openttd installs? And not the one in the Windows user settings. |
| 13:13 | <dihedral> | it does have a lid! |
| 13:13 | * | planetmaker runs |
| 13:13 | <SmatZ> | :o) |
| 13:13 | <dihedral> | Chruker, there even is a readme file |
| 13:13 | <+glx> | and no |
| 13:13 | <dihedral> | most paths are relative to the config file |
| 13:14 | <dihedral> | so if you start openttd with -c <relative path to config file> |
| 13:14 | <dihedral> | tada |
| 13:14 | <dihedral> | and if you dont like specifying, write a patch and compile yourself :-D |
| 13:14 | <+glx> | ha yes I forgot -c |
| 13:16 | <dihedral> | planetmaker, those led's do need cooling though (well the one i have does too :-P) |
| 13:17 | <planetmaker> | of course they do. But attachment to a metal surface suffices |
| 13:17 | <planetmaker> | (I run a few of those here :) ) |
| 13:17 | <Chruker> | see it was the -c thingy I needed |
| 13:17 | <+glx> | user water cooling ;) |
| 13:18 | <planetmaker> | bad in vacuum environments :P |
| 13:18 | <+glx> | but for dihedral it could work |
| 13:18 | <planetmaker> | sure :) |
| 13:19 | <planetmaker> | But attaching it to the (a) metal foot works easier, I guess, as that's what he most likely will need anyway |
| 13:26 | <dihedral> | it's not a metal socket :-P |
| 13:26 | <dihedral> | but yeah, a small something will do the trick |
| 13:35 | <Chruker> | hmm, the -c just moved the config file, but the data stuff was still in the wrong directory |
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| 13:37 | <@Belugas> | mmh |
| 13:37 | <@Belugas> | maybe it should have been ++c ? |
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| 13:42 | <Alberth> | no, it looks like c, it is compatible with c, but more powerful :) |
| 13:43 | <@Rubidium> | lies... what compiles in C doesn't necessarily work in C++ |
| 13:43 | <Alberth> | c++ is not a stable language, at the time c++ was invented, it probably was true |
| 13:45 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: translators * r16847 /trunk/src/lang/ (esperanto.txt norwegian_bokmal.txt russian.txt): |
| 13:45 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: |
| 13:45 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: esperanto - 5 changes by tradukanto |
| 13:45 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 58 changes by CyberKenny |
| 13:45 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: russian - 4 changes by Lone_Wolf |
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| 14:20 | <SmatZ> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=802698#p802698 hehe, I wanted to reply the same ;) |
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| 14:24 | <Alberth> | I wanted to reply 'yeah, you are better, I never got beyond 13,999,999,999' :) |
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| 14:24 | <SmatZ> | :-) |
| 14:24 | <SmatZ> | you are nice, Alberth :) |
| 14:25 | <Alberth> | (maybe 'I am better, I got 14,000,000,001' is better :D ) |
| 14:25 | <SmatZ> | ;-) |
| 14:26 | <Alberth> | however, in both cases I would have to lie :p |
| 14:27 | <SmatZ> | :) |
| 14:27 | <@Rubidium> | Alberth: just rig a savegame ;) |
| 14:31 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: alberth * r16848 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix: Trying to reduce a nested widget window further than the smallest alowed size should not crash the game. |
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| 15:00 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: smatz * r16849 /trunk/src/ (28 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: replace GetCargo() by CargoSpec::Get() |
| 15:02 | <PeterT> | is there a way to disable terraforming? |
| 15:02 | <planetmaker> | no |
| 15:02 | <PeterT> | ok |
| 15:02 | <planetmaker> | except you patch the server |
| 15:03 | <PeterT> | and if it is patched, is that a patch that you need a special version to join? |
| 15:03 | <planetmaker> | usually yes |
| 15:04 | <planetmaker> | though there might be an implementation where that might not be necessary, if enough woodoo has been made |
| 15:04 | <PeterT> | ok, too bad |
| 15:04 | <frosch123> | disallowing terraform? should be easy, just kick the player who wants to use it, before he can do it |
| 15:04 | <PeterT> | ok, why dont i just ban all players because they "might" terraform |
| 15:05 | <planetmaker> | nah. More fun to watch them and put signs where they work and tell them to stop :) |
| 15:05 | <Alberth> | there are NewGRFs that make terraforming expensive |
| 15:05 | <frosch123> | I meant: automatically kick him in the moment he presses the mousebutton to terraform |
| 15:05 | <planetmaker> | :D |
| 15:06 | <PeterT> | there was a patch for that, but it wasnt updated for 0.7.0 |
| 15:06 | <Alberth> | wouldn't it be more fun if thelandscape un-terraformed itself after a while? :p |
| 15:06 | <planetmaker> | There was a patch in wwottdgd/2 :) |
| 15:07 | <planetmaker> | And yes, I know it. |
| 15:07 | <planetmaker> | Alberth, not only life rivers, but life landscape! |
| 15:07 | <PeterT> | lol |
| 15:07 | <planetmaker> | with erosion, flooding, land slides, volcanos... :D |
| 15:07 | <PeterT> | whats that trick, insert base costs mod in scn editor, then take it out and the prices will still be high |
| 15:07 | <planetmaker> | desasters would be minor in comparison ;) |
| 15:08 | <frosch123> | PeterT: just add "if (_current_company != OWNER_TOWN && _current_company != OWNER_NONE) return CMD_ERROR;" at the top of CmdTerraformLand |
| 15:08 | <Alberth> | Phew, I got only struck by a disaster :) |
| 15:08 | <PeterT> | i add that to the source code im guessing |
| 15:08 | <planetmaker> | meh :P |
| 15:08 | <PeterT> | what does that do then? |
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| 15:10 | <frosch123> | it will disallow all companies to disallow. if the patch is present on all machines it will work fine, if it is only present on the server it will work fine for those who do not terraform. if someone uses terraform he will immediatelly desync when he tries to |
| 15:10 | <Alberth> | send him a PM :) |
| 15:10 | <frosch123> | *to terraform |
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| 15:40 | <@Belugas> | what Have I missed? what Have I missed? what Have I missed? what Have I missed? |
| 15:41 | <Noldo> | all the good stuff |
| 15:42 | <Forked> | Belugas: you missed me.. and I love you too! :D |
| 15:42 | <@Belugas> | as usual... |
| 15:42 | <@Belugas> | puuuuuuurrrrrrr puuuuuuuurrrr |
| 15:43 | <Akoz> | O_o |
| 15:43 | <@Belugas> | haaaa.... some good DeathMole :D |
| 15:44 | <@Belugas> | Akoz, watch your eyes, there's one that will fall... |
| 15:44 | <Akoz> | oh noes |
| 15:45 | <Akoz> | planetmaker: just decline all terraform packets on the server. it'll be as if it never happened :) |
| 15:46 | <planetmaker> | Akoz, that's what I meant. I didn't want to be too verbose... :) |
| 15:47 | <planetmaker> | That patch somewhere exists in my collection for wwottdgd/2 - in that form |
| 15:47 | <planetmaker> | actually... written by our master-patcher, smatzy-patchy :) |
| 15:49 | <Akoz> | o_O |
| 15:49 | <@Belugas> | hoooo.... the other one can grow too... |
| 15:49 | <@Belugas> | whoooohoooo... that is funny! |
| 15:49 | * | Akoz hands Belugas another beer |
| 15:49 | <Akoz> | cheers |
| 15:50 | <@Belugas> | at work??? |
| 15:50 | <planetmaker> | Belugas, sure. |
| 15:50 | <Akoz> | I dont see the problem |
| 15:50 | <planetmaker> | Here it's only forbidden to enjoy alcohol. |
| 15:50 | <planetmaker> | So we just... get rid of it :) |
| 15:50 | <@Belugas> | might as well go back to home right away... |
| 15:50 | <@Belugas> | mmh...not only my wife, but peter would behappy |
| 15:50 | <planetmaker> | (in German language it's a better play on words) |
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| 16:07 | <Chruker> | how come the opengfx doesnt have trams? |
| 16:08 | <+glx> | it's a replacement for original grfs |
| 16:08 | <frosch123> | because it is an replacement, not an addition |
| 16:08 | <frosch123> | :) |
| 16:08 | <@Belugas> | why do you think it should? |
| 16:08 | <frosch123> | but you can volunteer for opengfx+ :) |
| 16:10 | <PeterT> | why wouldnt it? aren't trams part of the game? |
| 16:11 | <Chruker> | Were the graphics for electrified railways in the original TTD? |
| 16:12 | <frosch123> | Chruker: catenary is a static-safe addition |
| 16:12 | <KenjiE20> | no, aren't ottd catenaries just overlays though? |
| 16:12 | <frosch123> | those do not count |
| 16:12 | <KenjiE20> | :D |
| 16:13 | <PeterT> | if cargo dest will be in a stable soon, will there be an option to turn it off? |
| 16:13 | <frosch123> | trams are subject to newgrfs, not base graphics. as you have to load exactly one base graphics set, but you can multiple or none newgrfs |
| 16:14 | <frosch123> | PeterT: there is already an option to turn it off, just none to turn it on |
| 16:14 | <PeterT> | :) |
| 16:14 | <PeterT> | bug! |
| 16:15 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r16850 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify some naming of variables between waypoints and stations. |
| 16:15 | <frosch123> | btw. it is impolite to leave after asking a question while someone is writing an answer |
| 16:17 | <Chruker> | who left? |
| 16:17 | <@Rubidium> | frosch123: YES |
| 16:18 | <frosch123> | Rubidium: "night" does not count as question :) |
| 16:18 | <@Belugas> | PeterT, Chruker : no, trams are not part of orignal TTD |
| 16:18 | <@Belugas> | naivity.... |
| 16:18 | <planetmaker> | probably it might even have some in the extra part. Not sure about the specs, though |
| 16:19 | * | PeterT didn't leave |
| 16:19 | <PeterT> | @seen yorick |
| 16:19 | <@DorpsGek> | PeterT: yorick was last seen in #openttd 3 hours, 12 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <yorick> does the colour depend on which build failed? |
| 16:26 | <Chruker> | Given that the Street Cars has its own menu item, I would have expected the game to come with the needed graphics. |
| 16:26 | <frosch123> | "what?" |
| 16:26 | <+glx> | Chruker: one day the menu items will appear only when required graphics are present |
| 16:27 | <planetmaker> | Chruker, as is all rail types whether engines are available or not |
| 16:27 | <+glx> | and that day way more road "types" will be available |
| 16:27 | <frosch123> | oh, with "Street Cars" you mean "trams", not the StreetCarAI :) |
| 16:27 | <+glx> | yes he means trams :) |
| 16:27 | <Chruker> | yes trams :-) |
| 16:27 | <planetmaker> | :) |
| 16:28 | <Chruker> | planetmaker, but the difference is that the 'disabled' railtypes will be available at some point during the gameplay. |
| 16:28 | <frosch123> | not true |
| 16:28 | <Chruker> | If I havent got the tram gfx, that 'later date' will never come. |
| 16:29 | <Chruker> | How so, frosch? |
| 16:29 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r16851 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: use StationSpecList in waypoint too |
| 16:29 | <+glx> | Chruker: you can ask the same about electrified railway |
| 16:29 | <frosch123> | there are lots of newgrf, which replace the maglev trains with normal trains, so maglev will never become available |
| 16:29 | <+glx> | in original game they didn't exist either |
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| 16:30 | <planetmaker> | or electrical in arctic climate |
| 16:30 | <Chruker> | glx, I was unsure if they were in the original ttd. But thought I was wrong after somebody said the wires were overlays |
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| 16:31 | <Yexo> | hello |
| 16:31 | <SmatZ> | hello Yexo |
| 16:31 | <Yexo> | hi SmatZ |
| 16:31 | <frosch123> | evening yexo :) |
| 16:32 | <Yexo> | hello frosch123 |
| 16:32 | <planetmaker> | ho Yexo |
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| 16:36 | <Eddi|zuHause> | hm... i am lacking a switch :( |
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| 16:37 | * | SmatZ gives Eddi|zuHause a switch |
| 16:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | even stranger... i don't have an equal number of left and right switches... |
| 16:38 | <Noldo> | I picked up old regional ship pathfinding once again |
| 16:38 | <Noldo> | doomed to fail once again |
| 16:38 | <+glx> | that's not logical Eddi|zuHause |
| 16:39 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i have 6 left switches and 9 right switches (two of which are broken) |
| 16:39 | <planetmaker> | wth is a left and what a right switch? |
| 16:40 | <Eddi|zuHause> | |/ vs. \| ? |
| 16:40 | <+glx> | miniature train I guessed :) |
| 16:40 | <planetmaker> | oh :) |
| 16:40 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: smatz * r16852 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: use FOR_ALL_CARGOSPECS for iterating over all valid CargoSpecs |
| 16:40 | <SmatZ> | wth is a switch? |
| 16:40 | <planetmaker> | I wasn't thinking of a railway but of a piece of computer hardware :D |
| 16:40 | <SmatZ> | ahh, Eddi|zuHause is playing with trains? :) |
| 16:40 | <SmatZ> | hehe |
| 16:40 | <Eddi|zuHause> | well, with tracks for now... |
| 16:41 | * | Belugas loves doing that with his son |
| 16:41 | * | Belugas ishappy to have a son and not a daughter |
| 16:41 | <+glx> | hehe |
| 16:41 | <Eddi|zuHause> | trying to have two lines and a 5 track station... looks like the station entrance needs to be single track, then i can live with two less switches |
| 16:42 | <planetmaker> | he :) |
| 16:42 | <Noldo> | having a son is nice because you can buy rc-cars and other thing for yourself then |
| 16:42 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that, or i can't reach every platform from every line |
| 16:43 | <planetmaker> | Eddi|zuHause, how that? No space? |
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| 16:43 | <Eddi|zuHause> | because i am lacking a switch... |
| 16:44 | <planetmaker> | ... ok. It's a real model track then, not a virtual one :) |
| 16:44 | <+glx> | use a broken one and find an excuse for the passengers ;) |
| 16:44 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no... i'll use the broken one for some kind of switchyard... i don't need them there ;) |
| 16:45 | <Eddi|zuHause> | having them on the main track is too dangerous |
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| 16:53 | <@Belugas> | hehehe "You're a funny man"... |
| 16:54 | <@Belugas> | And you're a fool to think your big "canon" can do anything you want at lightning speed... |
| 16:54 | <planetmaker> | uh? |
| 16:54 | <@Belugas> | a guy on forums |
| 16:55 | <planetmaker> | ah |
| 16:55 | <@Belugas> | like... 3 cores (huhuhu) 4 gig of ram (Ho... so impressed) and i don't know which video card... |
| 16:55 | <planetmaker> | hehe that one. Yes, read it. |
| 16:55 | <@Belugas> | he expects the game to run normally under huge load... |
| 16:56 | <planetmaker> | he... a simple video stream gives me here 80%... |
| 16:57 | <@Rubidium> | java? |
| 16:57 | <@Rubidium> | or flash? |
| 16:57 | <planetmaker> | I guess it's java. Not entirely sure, though |
| 16:58 | <@Rubidium> | especially flash is slow and power hungry on (at least) non Microsoft OSes |
| 16:58 | <planetmaker> | yup |
| 16:59 | <planetmaker> | that's why I increasingly dislike flash ads |
| 17:00 | <+glx> | animated gifs are not better for cpu |
| 17:01 | <@Rubidium> | planetmaker: adblockers work relatively well on that |
| 17:01 | <+glx> | it works for everything :) |
| 17:03 | <planetmaker> | true |
| 17:15 | <Yexo> | good night |
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| 18:58 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r16854 /trunk/src/saveload/ (afterload.cpp waypoint_sl.cpp): |
| 18:58 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: -Fix (r2046): savegames from before this version would get the town id as their |
| 18:58 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: 'index' (#<num). For stations with custom names that custom name would be |
| 18:58 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: dropped and the lowest 6 bits of the StringID would be used for the 'index'. In |
| 18:58 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: other words, it resulted in a mess. |
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| 19:02 | <CIA-2> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r16855 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove unused 'conversion' stuff from the waypoint struct and make it more similar to Station. |
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| 19:24 | <NeO_Anderson> | hey dudes, is it normal that after about 100years for the game to become really slow/laggy/choppy? |
| 19:24 | <NeO_Anderson> | like everything is in slow motion :S |
| 19:25 | <@Rubidium> | that depends on what is happening |
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| 19:25 | <@Rubidium> | usually it's not the number of years but the vast amount of vehicles etc. |
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| 19:28 | <NeO_Anderson> | hmm |
| 19:28 | <NeO_Anderson> | I've tried restarting when it gets to this stage |
| 19:28 | <NeO_Anderson> | using the "restart" command in console |
| 19:28 | <NeO_Anderson> | altho this does reduce the lag/slowmotion |
| 19:28 | <NeO_Anderson> | it doesnt fix it completely |
| 19:28 | <NeO_Anderson> | :S |
| 19:28 | <NeO_Anderson> | hmm |
| 19:29 | <@Rubidium> | running AIs? |
| 19:30 | <@Rubidium> | and what version are you using? |
| 19:31 | <NeO_Anderson> | AIs are disabled |
| 19:31 | <NeO_Anderson> | im usin latest version |
| 19:31 | <NeO_Anderson> | linux server |
| 19:32 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there is no such thing as a "latest" version |
| 19:32 | <@Rubidium> | latest being? 0.7.1, 0.7.2-RC1, r16847, r16855? My crystal ball tells you mean r16855 |
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| 19:33 | <NeO_Anderson> | oh |
| 19:33 | <NeO_Anderson> | erm |
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| 19:33 | <NeO_Anderson> | the one on the download page |
| 19:33 | <NeO_Anderson> | 0.7.1 |
| 19:33 | <NeO_Anderson> | http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/0.7.1/openttd-0.7.1-source.zip this one |
| 19:33 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so you mean the "latest stable" version |
| 19:33 | <@Rubidium> | the first 3 I mentioned are on the download apge |
| 19:33 | <NeO_Anderson> | yes latest stable version |
| 19:34 | <Eddi|zuHause> | then, please, say that next time. |
| 19:35 | <@Rubidium> | and restarting the server should help, assuming it starts a new game because all vehicle will be gone |
| 19:36 | <NeO_Anderson> | yea |
| 19:36 | <NeO_Anderson> | Eddi|zuHause, I wasn't aware tehre were more than one version of this game... |
| 19:36 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there are dozens of them... |
| 19:37 | <NeO_Anderson> | and I'm suppose to automatically know this how? |
| 19:37 | <NeO_Anderson> | ty Rubidium |
| 19:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you don't |
| 19:37 | <NeO_Anderson> | my point exactly Eddi|zuHause |
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| 19:51 | <Akoz> | does tracks with many intersections cause more lagg? |
| 19:51 | <Akoz> | or is it lots of trains that causes lagg in big games? |
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| 19:53 | <@Rubidium> | lots of intersections, lots of signals, lots of vehicles: all cause more lag |
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| 20:11 | <Akoz> | is this: http://pe-trade.net/1.png layout causing a lot of lagg? would it be significantly better to reduce the amount of intersections ? |
| 20:11 | <Akoz> | comparedy to http://pe-trade.net/2.png (if it was equally many tracks) |
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| 20:30 | <@Rubidium> | yes |
| 20:30 | <@Rubidium> | ofcourse what is "lot", 1 is more expensive CPU wise than 2 |
| 20:31 | <Akoz> | right |
| 20:31 | <Akoz> | but it could be like 10-20% at least if I went from 1 to 2 and I have most my trains running the same track?' |
| 20:31 | <Akoz> | guess I have some work in front of me |
| 20:31 | <Akoz> | :-) |
| 20:32 | <Akoz> | the server has 1400 trains now |
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| 20:38 | <@Rubidium> | the YAPF pathfinder usually caches stuff from junction to junction. Adding more junctions means smaller caches and more needs to be calculated when finding a path |
| 20:38 | <@Rubidium> | e.g. in the first image the train has to choose at least 10 times and it has to consider several times more different paths; even if the destination is straight ahead the signals cause the train to look at the neighbouring routes |
| 20:38 | <@Rubidium> | so it will calulcate and then ignore about 30 paths |
| 20:38 | <@Rubidium> | with 2 is would need to calculate 3 paths |
| 20:38 | <@Rubidium> | and with 1 it has to redo the calculations each time it reaches another junction |
| 20:38 | <@Rubidium> | even so, 1400 trains is quite a lot |
| 20:39 | <Akoz> | ^^ |
| 20:39 | <Akoz> | yes and we're not even close to the goal |
| 20:40 | <Akoz> | so it only calculates when it reaches a path signal? |
| 20:40 | <@Rubidium> | no, when it reaches a junction |
| 20:40 | <Akoz> | oh, ok |
| 20:40 | <@Rubidium> | or even more precise, when it needs to take a decision on a junction |
| 20:41 | <Aali> | well |
| 20:41 | <Aali> | YAPF caches some things per-path (junction) |
| 20:41 | <@Rubidium> | which means that those big washboard junctions are quite uhm... unoptimal |
| 20:41 | <Akoz> | washboard junctions ey.. :)¨ |
| 20:42 | <Akoz> | unoptimal for cpu... more optimal for trains |
| 20:42 | <Akoz> | its all about the balance |
| 20:42 | <Aali> | but obviously signals need to be considered every time |
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| 20:42 | <Akoz> | so if theres signals every 1 step of the way (with no junctions) that takes quite some cpu as well? |
| 20:43 | <@Rubidium> | yes, but that's due to updating signal blocks |
| 20:43 | <Akoz> | btw paths are then calculated over and over again for each decision.. theres no storage at all? |
| 20:44 | <@Rubidium> | Aali: YAPF doesn't cache paths through junctions |
| 20:44 | <Aali> | Rubidium: of course |
| 20:44 | <Aali> | but, straight lines (no junctions) cannot be cached entirely either, because of the signals |
| 20:45 | <Aali> | that was my point |
| 20:45 | <@Rubidium> | Aali: they can because after a few signals the signals are ignored |
| 20:46 | <@Rubidium> | ignored for path cost calculations |
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| 21:01 | <Akoz> | how come one keeps getting more and more "unable to load save game" and "network sync errors" the longer the game you try to join has run? |
| 21:01 | <Akoz> | and is there any workarounds? |
| 21:02 | <+glx> | modified server/client ? |
| 21:02 | <Akoz> | aye |
| 21:02 | <Akoz> | doesnt happen during gameplay though |
| 21:02 | <Akoz> | only on-join |
| 21:03 | <Akoz> | and only on late games |
| 21:03 | <Akoz> | big games.. big load files |
| 21:03 | <+glx> | so something is not saved when it should |
| 21:03 | <Akoz> | hmm |
| 21:04 | <Akoz> | the clients arent modified in any way.. nor is anything to do with the savegame stuff |
| 21:04 | <Akoz> | is this unheard of in unmodified server/clients? |
| 21:06 | <+glx> | the rule is simple, clients and server should do exactly the same and have the same state (map, cached values, ...) |
| 21:07 | <Akoz> | afaik it has though.. all I've modified is added some extra stored values for the server only, and then I interrupt some command packages, and send some |
| 21:07 | <Akoz> | nothing that should interfer with basic game play |
| 21:08 | <Akoz> | or in the savefiles I mean |
| 21:08 | <+glx> | anyway sync errors are the hardest to debug |
| 21:09 | <Akoz> | how about "unable to load savegame" ? |
| 21:11 | <+glx> | can be for many reasons, more details are available with sl debug_level (I don't know the minimum level required though) |
| 21:12 | <Akoz> | worth a shot. thx |
| 21:12 | <Akoz> | do u know the cmd to turn off the "queried from" debug msgs? |
| 21:13 | <+glx> | debug_level net0 |
| 21:13 | <Akoz> | ty |
| 21:14 | <Akoz> | is there a way to turn off chat ? |
| 21:14 | <+glx> | probably not |
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| 21:20 | <+glx> | indeed not |
| 21:21 | <Akoz> | np |
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