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---Logopened Wed Jul 29 00:00:45 2009
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03:18<dihedral>morning
03:18<planetmaker>morning from here, too
03:22<dihedral>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=805651#p805651 <- underground mode :-D
03:23<dihedral>i want to go home....
03:23<dihedral>i want to fly my plane....
03:23<dihedral>*sniff*
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03:54<Muxy>Kiss from Goulp !
03:55<planetmaker>http://www.tieffliegen.de/modelle/modell.html <-- like those, dihedral ?
03:55<planetmaker>:-)
03:55<planetmaker>All owned by a friend of mine (or were owned)
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03:59<dihedral>i have a glider with electronic motor
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04:21<TrueBrain>morning!
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04:41<TrueBrain>bugs in DOSBox .. how lovely :(
04:41<TrueBrain>takes me ages to figure that out :p
04:43<blathijs>Submit a patch! :-)
04:43<blathijs>TrueBrain: Bugs that make Dune work by accident, then?
04:43<TrueBrain>blathijs: wish that was true :(
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04:43<TrueBrain>they just read too much data from the file in the memory
04:43<TrueBrain>so my compare is off
04:43<blathijs>ah
04:43<TrueBrain>simply because they ignore a header field
04:43<blathijs>bugs in the debug output then?
04:43<TrueBrain>no, I do a memroy compare
04:43<TrueBrain>and I detect differences
04:44<TrueBrain>which turn out to be just noise
04:44<blathijs>annoying
04:44<TrueBrain>very much so, yes
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05:14<TrueBrain>memory compare -> nothing
05:14<TrueBrain>CPU instruction compare -> nothing
05:14<TrueBrain>WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU :'(
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05:40<TrueBrain>morning OwenS
05:41<OwenS>Morning
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07:22<LuciusMare>hello
07:22<@DorpsGek>Hello LuciusMare
07:26<planetmaker>salut
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07:32<@Rubidium>ave Lucius
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07:44<planetmaker>ludituri te salutant ;-)
07:48<LuciusMare>this is one of the weirdest greetings i have ever seen
07:48<LuciusMare>:)
07:48<@DorpsGek>The fact we do greet you?
07:50<LuciusMare>no
07:50<LuciusMare>but it is usually hello,hi or welcome
07:50<LuciusMare>not ave Lucius or ludituri te salutant _
07:50<LuciusMare>:)
07:53<@Rubidium>for what it's worth, the first Latin story (when somewhat learning Latin) was about Lucius and Lucia
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07:54<TrueBrain>Marcus and Cornelia for me :)
07:55<planetmaker>I simply happen to know "my Asterix" and have sufficient memories to the Latin lessons to abstract a bit from it ;-)
07:55<TrueBrain>@kick el[cube] can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)
07:55<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: Error: el is not in #openttd.
07:55<TrueBrain>lol
07:55<TrueBrain>@kick "el[cube]" can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)
07:55-!-el[cube] was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)]
07:56<TrueBrain>@kick eleusis can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)
07:56-!-eleusis was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)]
07:57<TrueBrain>I consider this a flaw in the Internet
07:57<@Rubidium>never knew that Suske & Wiske (Spike & Suzy/Willy & Wanda/Bob & Bobette for the English who can't find a consistent translation) is Lucius & Lucia in the Latin editions
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08:14<TrueBrain>I guess 'no' was the correct answer
08:14<TrueBrain>@kban 3600 "el[cube]" can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)
08:14<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: Error: 3600 is not in #openttd.
08:14<TrueBrain>@kban "el[cube]" 3600 can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)
08:14-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!~eleusis@203-206-105-116.dyn.iinet.net.au] by DorpsGek
08:14-!-el[cube] was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)]
08:14<TrueBrain>@ban "~eleusis@203-59-90-174.dyn.iinet.net.au" 3600
08:14<TrueBrain>DorpsGek: you suck!
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08:17<TrueBrain>morning glx
08:17<+glx>hi TrueBrain
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08:18<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: you know that banning eleusis based on IP isn't going to help?
08:19<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: http://paste.openttd.org/185712 <- look at the DNS name; it's different each and every time
08:19<+glx>dynamic IP ?
08:20<+glx>ban the range :)
08:20<LuciusMare>hah
08:22<welshdragon>what about just banning dyn.iinet.net.au?
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08:22<LuciusMare>what about just getting a bot that kicks anyone with nick elesius?
08:23<@Belugas>hello
08:23<@Rubidium>LuciusMare: how does that solve the issue of repeated rejoins?
08:23<LuciusMare>errr.
08:23<LuciusMare>i think that he would give up after a while
08:23<welshdragon>it's a bouncer
08:24<@Rubidium>LuciusMare: unlikely because his client does the rejoins, not the person 'controlling' it
08:24<LuciusMare>aw
08:24<welshdragon>so my guess is that he isn't aware of the problems
08:24*LuciusMare is too lazy to go down the stairs and borrow a TTD CD from his sister to copy the files needed
08:25<LuciusMare>i guess it is illegal to upload it
08:25<dihedral><Rubidium> for what it's worth, the first Latin story (when somewhat learning Latin) was about Lucius and Lucia <- and Domina :-P
08:25<LuciusMare>else it would be already in the installation package
08:25<TrueBrain>Rubidium: yeah,I noticed
08:25<@Rubidium>it might even be illegal to download it in your country
08:25<LuciusMare>aw
08:26*LuciusMare slowly gets up to get the cd
08:26<welshdragon>LuciusMare: file sharing from her pc!
08:27*LuciusMare is back
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08:29<LuciusMare>what a journey
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08:34<LuciusMare>aw
08:34<LuciusMare>why when i want to build a railway station it tells me only what it accepts,not what it gives to me?
08:37<SirSquidness>22:22 < welshdragon> what about just banning dyn.iinet.net.au <-- Don't do that - I was thinking of switching to that ISP! (oh wait, I'm supposed to be arguing against, not for that... :P )
08:38<welshdragon>lol
08:38<@Rubidium>SirSquidness: with the amount of IP changes of eluesis I would think twice, unless you want all your download connections to be trashed every few minutes
08:39<SirSquidness>I would imagine that it's an issue with his ADSL line, not the ISP
08:41<@Rubidium>getting a new IP every so often just sucks
08:42<@Rubidium>regardless of whether your actual connection sucks or not
08:44<LuciusMare>okay,my fault
08:46<SirSquidness>He'll be getting a new IP every time his connection resets - the worst I've seen in Australia is once every 24 hours your connection is reset to give you a new IP.
08:47<@Rubidium>SirSquidness: yes, and I'm still wondering what the use-case is for that besides annoying your customers and the people your customers deal with
08:47<@Rubidium>and causing extra network traffic due to aborted downloads
08:51<TrueBrain>it is fine to give a new IP every 24h
08:51<TrueBrain>but every reconnect ...
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08:51<TrueBrain>I guess they overbooked their IPs ..
08:54<LuciusMare>aw,goddamn,why i am slowly losing my money?i built a bus service between two towns,both <500 and i am not earning
08:55<SirSquidness>Rubidium: home customers, generally speaking, don't care about their IP address. So by giving home customers a dynamic IP address, it adds another feature they can use to make people pay more for a static IP
08:56<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: really? You want your downloads to be cancelled at say... the time you can use it least?
08:56<TrueBrain>Rubidium: my connection resets every 24h ... all downloads always survive :p
08:57<SirSquidness>I'm supposed to be on a resets every 24 hours connection, but since I've had IRC idling 24/7, I've dropped out a handful of times in months
08:59<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: still, what does a forced disconnect do to the number of used IPs?
09:00<TrueBrain>Rubidium: well, normal ISPs do like this: give out a DHCP with a N time leech. After N*2 times it expires
09:00<TrueBrain>gives any sane person enough time to keep their IP over a lnog time
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09:01<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: but what does the FORCED DISCONNECT do to the number of used IPs?
09:01<TrueBrain>forced a re-request of the leech .. some OSes are broken, you know
09:02<@Rubidium>that DHCP leases expire if not re-requested is something completely different from disconnecting people
09:02<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: that'd basically mean the modem is broken
09:02<TrueBrain>or the OS behind it
09:02<TrueBrain>depends on how an ISP has its setup
09:02<TrueBrain>take UPC in our country
09:03<TrueBrain>the modem does nothing regarding IP
09:03<TrueBrain>the first computer in the network does
09:04<@Rubidium>yay... 'winmodems' :)
09:04<SirSquidness>that's bridged mode - makes single PC internet suport easier
09:04<SirSquidness>'cos the PPP is done on the PC
09:04<SirSquidness>but then you rely on ICS for internet sharing
09:05<SirSquidness>=(
09:05<@Rubidium>and Microsoft for firewall!
09:05<SirSquidness>what more could you want? :P
09:06<@Rubidium>enough money so I don't have to work
09:06<Yrol>arnie as my personal moneymanager, SirSquidness
09:07<SirSquidness>Rubidium: are you sure you dont want a few times that amount?
09:07<Yrol>i never would have problems with my monmey anymore...as.. no money, no problems...
09:07<SirSquidness>enough money so you don't have to work is a pretty small amount
09:08<@Rubidium>SirSquidness: and pay more tax?
09:09<@Rubidium>Yrol: you mean CA, USA Arnie, right?
09:09<Yrol>hm, yes, Rubidium
09:09<SirSquidness>who cares if you pay more tax? The fact you're paying more tax means that you're getting more overall
09:09<SirSquidness>just your net profit is less for every dollar earned, the more you earn
09:09<Yrol>why do you pay tax at all? isnt that against the law?
09:09<@Rubidium>there's nothing seriously wrong with that Arnie's money managing skills
09:09<@Rubidium>Yrol: I'm not in the USA
09:10<Yrol>sorry, i meant SirSquidness, Rubidium :o)
09:10<Yrol>my fault
09:11<Yrol>Rubidium, well, then he had bad advisorsd and i want them for my money ;o)
09:11<@Rubidium>the major problem for Arnie is that the whole state has to agree with stuff. So they agree on buy/build stuff and reducing taxes, but disagree on having to raise taxes on anything
09:12<@Rubidium>as a result the state has to buy/build more stuff and 'acquire' less taxes. It's basically the democracy that's killing California, not Arnie and his advisors
09:13<Yrol>thats... uhm... °scratches head° sucks
09:14-!-mode/#openttd [-b *!~eleusis@203-206-105-116.dyn.iinet.net.au] by DorpsGek
09:16<@Rubidium>and this shows again, as always, that the Americans (at least a country/state level) are usually very narrow minded
09:17<Yrol>hm, i guess, not so much more than any other country
09:18<@Rubidium>that's debatable...
09:18*Belugas prefers to keep on shutting up
09:18<SirSquidness>lol Belugas - you too, eh?
09:18*TrueBrain hugs Belugas in the back of the room
09:18<Yrol>as countries consist of people and people generally are narrowgauged
09:18<@Rubidium>what's the reason for guns: to prevent yourself from being harmed by shooting others
09:19<@Rubidium>that preventing doesn't quite work as the number of gun killings per capita are about the highest in the US
09:19<Yrol>or to get rid of that nasty teacher who always gives you an E
09:19<Yrol>ah
09:19<@Belugas>SirSquidness: he is not talking ;)
09:19<@Rubidium>not to mention that the number of prisoners per capita are about the highest in the US
09:20<SirSquidness>lol
09:20<@Rubidium>so it should be the least criminal country, yet for some reason it isn't
09:20<Yrol>°sings quietly° "california dreaming...."
09:21<@Belugas>David Bowie sang "I'm Afraid Of Americans"
09:21<@Belugas>Marilyn Manson sang "Beautiful People"
09:22<Yrol>i sure would be, you try to retrieve the playball from your kid which it shot across the fence and end up with a shotgunwound in the hospital
09:22<@Belugas>hem.. not really related
09:22<+glx>just ring neighbour's bell and ask politely to get the ball back
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09:24<SirSquidness>Yrol: I'd like to think that's an extreme case, and very much not the typical american
09:24<@Rubidium>although, maybe saying 'Americans' is a bit of an overgeneralisation; there are areas where they're less narrow minded
09:26<SirSquidness>very true
09:26<@Rubidium>I actually liked Boston and San Francisco. Didn't like LA and Phoenix at all. So maybe it has to do with the proximity to the southern border
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09:27<Yrol>however... how do i manually apply a diff? the parts that get added i managed to do, but i dont get behind that "<<<<mine" / ">>>> theirs". is there somewhere a step by step tutorial on the forum? ( i use win32 and turtoiseSVN, but get weird errors, where it tries to merge such lines and that results in "??????" in the merged filedisplay. screenshot: http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8713/diffcomparison.png )
09:28<+glx>that's a conflict to solve
09:28<+glx>you need to understand the code to fix it
09:28<@Belugas>Vermount is a very pleasant place. maybe because it looks almost like canada
09:29<@Belugas>well... border of quebec and ontario...
09:29<@Belugas>the flags expected...
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09:30<Yrol>owie.. so i can totall forget the whole "apply some diffs then compile to get a working openttd with varius published ideas from people" thats... not good
09:31<+glx>it usually works well if the changes touch distinct parts of the code
09:32<Yrol>on the other hand... what about my question? :o)
09:33<@Rubidium>Yrol: apply the patch to the revision the patch was made with, not something else
09:33<@Belugas>Yrol, it can be done, given that you understand the code from inside out, both trunk and patch(es)
09:34<Yrol>(Rubidium) hm, but taht would mean, i cant merhe the diffs i have, if they are from different versions, right?
09:34<Yrol>"that" "merge"
09:34<+glx>you can
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09:35<+glx>apply first diff to the correct version, update to second diff version, apply second diff, ...
09:35<@Rubidium>Yrol: if you've got no programming skills that usually means that yes
09:35<Yrol>°nods°
09:35<+glx>but it's easier when you understand the code
09:39<Azrael->Does anybody here have a copy of the DirectX SDK header files (ie. the ones needed for OpenTTD to compile) that they'd be willing to upload?
09:39<Azrael->Or is there any way I can't get them apart from via Microsoft?
09:39<valhallasw>why not get them from Microsoft?
09:39<valhallasw>the files are theirs, after all
09:39<@Rubidium>what's the problem with getting them legally from Microsoft?
09:40<@Belugas>would it be indicated on the wiki?
09:40<@Belugas>ho... I kow.. his Windows is not genuine :)
09:40<@Belugas>know
09:40<@Rubidium>or rather, why download something illegally and for free if you can download them legally and for free
09:40<Azrael->Belugas, that's what WGA says
09:40<Spoons>That, and/or he doesn't want to download 300mb of stuff for a few hunderd k of headers.
09:40<Azrael->I bought this computer in another country, and WGA complains that the product key 'is not valid for this region'.
09:41<Yrol>and.. what exactly /do those "<<<mine/>>>>theirs"-tags? sure, they signal the diffprogram what to do with those lines, but.. what? in this ( the same example ) it seems, that a line is added "drawpixelinfo..." and does something to the bool line, im sure it can be done by hand, as it is just 3,4 lines, i just dont know, what the endresult should loojk like, knowing that, it would be easier i think, to handle the other conflicts.
09:41<Azrael->Also, Spoons raises a good point. :)
09:41<@Rubidium>Azrael-: WGA? Why is it doing that? I can just download it and I'm sure I don't have Windows (legally) installed on my machine
09:42<Azrael->You mean microsoft.com doesn't ask for validation
09:42<Azrael->?
09:42<@Rubidium>have you tried it?
09:42<@Rubidium>like e.g. the link in the wiki
09:43<Azrael->Nope, I'll go look in the wiki now.
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09:49<+glx>not all downloads require validation
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09:49<Azrael->directX sdk does
09:50<+glx>not august 2007 sdk
09:50<+glx>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=529f03be-1339-48c4-bd5a-8506e5acf571&displaylang=en
09:50<Azrael->meh, I managed to find the headers on their own
09:50<Azrael->that seems to be enough
09:50<Azrael->now i just have to get the libpng headers whilst my internet dies
09:50<+glx>be sure it's not more recent than august 2007
09:51<+glx>and follow the wiki for libpng
09:51<+glx>we provide an openttd-useful package
09:51<Yrol>hm
09:51<@Rubidium>glx: following links on the wiki is for sissy-man
09:53<Azrael->Bah, I guess I'll just stick with 0.7.1.
09:53<Azrael->469MB? I'd rather play Unreal Tournament.
09:54<Yrol>bye then...
09:55<Azrael->o/
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10:21<OwenS>Quick question: Is there a way to disable the distance limit from edge of map for refineies?
10:21<@Rubidium>yes
10:21<OwenS>How? :p
10:21<OwenS>Set the limit to zero?
10:21<@Rubidium>make the map at most 64 tiles wide or long
10:22<OwenS>V. Funny :P
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10:22<@Rubidium>or make a NewGRF that overrides the placing rules for refineries
10:22<OwenS>It doesn't really make sense on maps with no coast anyway :p
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13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r16982 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: catalan - 10 changes by arnaullv
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by Yexo
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: french - 4 changes by glx
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by planetmaker
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: russian - 3 changes by Lone_Wolf
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belugas * r16977 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp:
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Fix(r1772)[FS#3059]: make it so that failing to generate many random towns in scenario editor returns a failing message.
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Fix by therken
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Doxygen comments by me
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r16973 /trunk/src/lang/ (esperanto.txt german.txt simplified_chinese.txt):
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 2 changes by Gavin
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: esperanto - 20 changes by tradukanto
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: german - 3 changes by Roujin
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16974 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: do simple station build checks and 'decode' p1/p2 first
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r16975 /trunk/projects/ (generate generate.vbs langs_vs80.vcproj langs_vs90.vcproj): -Change [MSVC]: Make all language files depend on english.txt
13:47<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16976 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove WaypointID and MAX_LENGTH constants in favour of their Station variants
13:47<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belugas * r16978 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix(r16977): tab indentation instead of space indentation at beginning of a line, please
13:47<+glx>buggy CIA-1 :)
13:47<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belugas * r16979 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Codechange[FS#3066]: Add notion of Ctrl_Click in the tooltip for Loan borrow/repay buttons (planetmaker)
13:47<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16981 /trunk/src/network/ (network_gamelist.cpp network_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#3062]: the last manually added server would not be saved
13:48<planetmaker>:-P
13:48<@Belugas>grrrrr
13:48<planetmaker>I wondered already where it's commit news were
13:48<@Belugas>hilighted for NOTHING!
13:49<planetmaker>nah, it's telling you "good job" ;-)
13:49<@Belugas>makerplanet, down upside up is sentence your
13:49<@Belugas>like look
13:51<planetmaker>That sounds like a truely failed automatic translation... :-)
13:51<frosch123>yup, the up is superfluous
13:52<@Belugas>try to come UP with something as twisted as that in a short time :P
13:53*Sacro hunts for a slic 2.1 patched bios
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14:10<CIA-1>OpenTTD: michi_cc * r16980 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r16976): source.list and project files were not updated.
14:18<Eddi|zuHause>hm... which idiot classified ".msi" files as "MS-Word-Document" and associated it with openoffice?
14:19<planetmaker>lol
14:19<@Rubidium>maybe openoffice has support for trunest nesting data?
14:20<Eddi|zuHause>what?
14:21<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: see http://filext.com/file-extension/MSI (.msi is used for trunest)
14:22<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, i just opened that page ;)
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14:30<Eddi|zuHause>you dutch people are crazy: "new trend-sport: smart-throwing. people in amsterdam are pushing small cars that can be moved by two people into the channels"
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14:32<PeterT>lol
14:33<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.kleinezeitung.at/allgemein/automotor/2089829/smartschmeissen-amsterdam-zum-kult.story [german]
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14:41<@Belugas>mmh... the brand new game that hits the whole word : deconnect from #openttd
14:41<@Belugas>the fun you get from getting in and out!
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14:43<Eddi|zuHause>"err:module:import_dll Library MFC42.DLL not found" ... damn, where do i get that from...
14:43<@Rubidium>MSVC 4.2
14:44<Eddi|zuHause>what? MSVC version != MFC version...
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14:45<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: just do a google of MFCxx.dll where xx is a MSVC++ version number without the . and then for versions of MSVC++ that don't exist
14:45<Eddi|zuHause>yeah
14:45<@Rubidium>e.g. you won't find MFC41.dll (there wasn't a MSVC++ 4.1)
14:46<Eddi|zuHause>i have no idea what MSVC versions exist
14:47<@Rubidium>hmm... okay, you're right... it didn't always follow MSVC's version numbering
14:47<@Rubidium>but it did it pretty close since 4.0
14:47<@Rubidium>MFC42.dll is part of Win98 FE
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14:50<Eddi|zuHause>apparently i have a manual for MFC 2.0
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14:51<Eddi|zuHause>the question is, why does a program depend on it and not provide it on the installation medium?
14:52<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: because it is a system library
14:52<@Rubidium>OpenTTD depends on libc, yet it doesn't provide it with the installers
14:52<Eddi|zuHause>then why does wine not provide a replacement for it? :p
14:53<@Rubidium>I'm not sure what application you're talking about, but I reckon the minimal requirements are Windows 98 or higher
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14:53<Eddi|zuHause>probably
14:53<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: because they haven't implemented it yet, probably because it's not used very often and acquiring the .dll is fairly easy
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15:00<OwenS>MFC?
15:01<OwenS>MFC isn't a system library but lots of software assumed it was cause Win98 tools used it
15:02<Eddi|zuHause>there must be installation disks that came with that MSVC manual... i wonder where they are...
15:02<Eddi|zuHause>i don't suppose microsoft offers cheap upgrade licenses?
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15:03<Xaroth>-20:30:19- [Eddi|zuHause]: you dutch people are crazy: "new trend-sport: smart-throwing. people in amsterdam are pushing small cars that can be moved by two people into the channels" << old news tbh, it's been done for years now :/
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15:07<OwenS>Who buys a Smart to throw it in a river?
15:07<OwenS>Or do they just throw other people's in? :p
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15:08<Eddi|zuHause>hm... it's getting more weird... the box says "MSVC Version 1.0 Standard Edition", the manual talks about "Changes in Version 2.0" and the disks i found say "Version 3.0 Professional Edition"
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15:08<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: clearly they throw other people's cars
15:08<OwenS>Then it's not really a sport :p
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15:09<Eddi|zuHause>err:msi:ITERATE_Actions Execution halted, action L"InstallFinalize" returned 1627 <- that does not sound good
15:09<Eddi|zuHause>may be time i consult appdb
15:09<OwenS>At the least MSI should do a full rollback?
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15:13<Eddi|zuHause>http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16244
15:18<tdev>hi all
15:26<frosch123>"*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***" <- oh noes :o
15:27<@Belugas>we're in a democracy now?
15:27<Eddi|zuHause>grr... i can't even get that far anymore
15:27<@Belugas>hello tdev
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15:39<@Belugas>frosch123, where?
15:40<frosch123>Belugas: luckily only in the stuff eddi posted :)
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15:42<Eddi|zuHause>i love deterministic programs...
15:42<Eddi|zuHause>it crashes at a different place every time...
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15:53<@Belugas>PeterT, you're really ennoying
15:53<PeterT>sorry, why?
15:53<@Belugas>fix that damned connection, for the love of... <whatever>
15:53<PeterT>its not me
15:53<@Rubidium>Belugas: then put him on your ignore list... it's so simple
15:53<PeterT>my xchat is broken
15:54<@Belugas>fix xchat or change client
15:54<@Belugas>and send me a pm when you're done, i'm putting you on my ignore list, as Rubidium suggested
15:55<@Rubidium>:D
15:56<welshdragon>Rubidium: you should have done that with the person you banned earlier
15:56<frosch123>welshdragon: r != t
15:58*welshdragon cannor remember, so whatever
15:58<PeterT>Belugas, what free IRC clients are there (that are good)
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15:59<PeterT>what free irc clients are there, that are good?
16:00<welshdragon>PeterT: irssi (terminal based)
16:00<PeterT>any screenshots?
16:01<welshdragon>http://irssi.org/
16:01<Yexo>yes: -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=irssi+screenshots
16:01<PeterT>i got that
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16:05<Patrick>probably not what you're looking for though
16:07<Eddi|zuHause>grr... evil...
16:07<Chruker>http://www.hydrairc.com/index.php?page=screenshots ?
16:07<Eddi|zuHause>it wants me to insert the next cd
16:07<Eddi|zuHause>but i can't eject the cd, because the installer is still running
16:07<PeterT>i like xchat
16:07<@Rubidium>hydrairc sucks... it has very annoying quit messages
16:07<Yexo>so fix xchat
16:07<PeterT>fix it how?
16:07<KenjiE20>^ this
16:08<KenjiE20>(well what Rubidium said)
16:08<Yexo>why should I know? this is #openttd, not #xchat
16:08<PeterT>nobody in #xchat
16:08<KenjiE20>hydra also has sucky utf8
16:08<Yexo>you haven't even told us how it was broken
16:09<Chruker>Is utf8 even important in english channels?
16:09<Eddi|zuHause>and what the hell is the meaning of "umount -f"? that never did anything better than just umount for me...
16:09<@Rubidium>if people want to paste error messages... certainly
16:09<KenjiE20>Chruker: even the £ is broken
16:10<Eddi|zuHause>Chruker: people tried to write russian in iso-encoding here
16:10<Eddi|zuHause>which of course comes out at the other end as âêíù
16:11<PeterT>im guessing BitchX isn't a good client to join with?
16:12<OwenS>Depends on your terminal language :p
16:12<PeterT>:)
16:12<PeterT>is there a real difference between "free software" and "freeware"?
16:12<Prof_Frink>Yes.
16:12<PeterT>it is?
16:13<Prof_Frink>If you mean Free Software as opposed to free software.
16:13<Prof_Frink>The "Free" doesn't refer to price.
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16:13<PeterT>I guess that makes a difference
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16:14<Eddi|zuHause>PeterT: is there a difference between "free beer" (as in "freeware") and "free beer including instructions how to build a free brewery" (as in "Free Software")
16:14<Tefad>Free means you can do with it as you please.. edit it, hack it.. whatever.. typically you have the source code
16:14<Prof_Frink>If you love the freedom, then yes.
16:14<Prof_Frink>If you hate freedom, then no. Do you hate freedom?
16:14<Chruker>yes
16:15<PeterT>sometimes
16:16<@Rubidium>Chruker: then why are you here?
16:16<Yexo>"free beer including instructions how to build a free brewery" <- the beer does not have to be free, and building the brewery may cost still cost you for it to be free (as in, do whatever you want with it)
16:18<Prof_Frink>PeterT: It makes much more sense in french.
16:19<PeterT>Thanks Yexo
16:19<PeterT>Free Software = $0 Freeware = Hackmeplease
16:19<Yexo>PeterT: it's exactly the other way around
16:19<PeterT>ok
16:22<Prof_Frink>If you don't mind angering rms' beard, Free Software = Open Source ;)
16:23<PeterT>damn it, the only nice looking IRC client (free) is only for mac
16:23<PeterT>colloquy
16:24<KenjiE20>lies
16:24<Yexo>use xchat :)
16:25<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16983 /trunk/src/misc/ (blob.hpp dbg_helpers.cpp): -Change: work around a bogus GCC 4.4+ warning that can't be disabled
16:25<_ln>http://narf.at/4chan/?#9e47dcca4746f988a34cd94eb8342e04b995fb06.png
16:26<PeterT>Yexo: i would love to
16:26<KenjiE20>lol _ln
16:26<Yexo>[22:07] <Yexo> you haven't even told us how it was broken
16:26<PeterT>well, i will write down the error message next time
16:26<PeterT>it just dies, from time to time
16:27<PeterT>_ln: really? lol
16:27<CIA-1>OpenTTD: frosch * r16984 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Codechange: Document and assertify (Start|End)SpriteCombine.
16:28<Eddi|zuHause>how do i get a program to drop a handler from /proc/<pid>/fd?
16:29<@Rubidium>kill?
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16:32<Eddi|zuHause>that kinda defeats the point of keeping the process running :p
16:33<@Rubidium>well, an application missing a fd is quite an exception, especially as another open gives it back that same fd and one of them closes it
16:34<Eddi|zuHause>the problem is, setup.exe wants me to switch cds, but wineserver still has the file open, so i can't release the drive
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16:35<_ln>Eddi|zuHause: connect your gdb to the wineserver and call close() on the fd.
16:38<Eddi|zuHause>and what's the magic incantation to call close()?
16:39<_ln>"call close(42)" .. of course, you'd need to find out the fd value first.
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16:40<PeterT>this is the error message: Filename encoding is corrupt
16:40<Yexo>now go to google and search for that error message
16:41<PeterT>did that before i entered irc
16:41<PeterT>its because of the crack
16:41<Eddi|zuHause>that seemed to do something, not sure if it helped yet ;)
16:42<Yexo>PeterT: then why are you using a crack?
16:42<Eddi|zuHause>yay, that really worked ;)
16:42<PeterT>Yexo: Because, I don't think xChat is worth paying 30 USD for
16:43<Yexo>XChat is opensource, just the dev team wants you to believe you have to pay for the windows binaries
16:43<Yexo>there are other people providing legal win32 binaries that work
16:43<Eddi|zuHause>i hereby want to specifically emphasise that _ln made a helpful remark ;)
16:43<Prof_Frink>Does Silverex still exist?
16:43<Yexo>http://www.silverex.org/download/ <- yes
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16:44<Yexo>in fact, I have that very same build running here very stable
16:45<Yexo>last time it crashed was a few months ago due to someone typing invalid characters, but I had an old version running, and updating fixed the problem
16:45<PeterT>you have XChat, freee?
16:45<PeterT>with no crack?
16:45<Yexo>see my link a few lines above, yes
16:45<Yexo>yes
16:45<Yexo>and legal
16:45<PeterT>this is 2
16:45<PeterT>xchat 2
16:46<PeterT>oh wait :S
16:46<PeterT>why is this legal?
16:46<Prof_Frink>Because it's Free.
16:47<Prof_Frink>xchat on windows is Free, but not free, which means that other people can make a free version.
16:48<Yexo>it's not completely Free, some of there windows modifications are closed source
16:48<Yexo>s/there/their/
16:49<Xaroth>:o
16:49*Xaroth drools over new eve trailer
16:50<KenjiE20>indeed
16:50<KenjiE20>butterflys :)
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16:50<Nite_Owl>Hello all
16:51<Xaroth>aye
16:51<Xaroth>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU&hd=1 << for those who like pwetty pew pew laz0r ships :P
16:52<Nite_Owl>Hello Xaroth
16:52<KenjiE20>also a good showcase for just how huge EVE is
16:52<Eddi|zuHause>i really should log the urls to the youtube-files i download...
16:53*KenjiE20 watches the trail again, seeing as it's still open
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16:55<Xaroth>sup Nite_Owl
16:57<KenjiE20>bah my cache expired
16:57*KenjiE20 runs it through flashgot instead
16:57<KenjiE20>back to salvage >_>
16:59<Xaroth>KenjiE20: sounds like carebearing :P
16:59<KenjiE20>yup
16:59<KenjiE20>:)
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16:59*Xaroth prefers 0.0
16:59<KenjiE20>although my corp is in the process of lining up an alliance with WH mining prospects
17:00<Xaroth>o_O
17:00<Xaroth>wormholes are overrated
17:00<KenjiE20>possibly based out of nulsec
17:01<KenjiE20>I don't mind carebaring anyway, I'm hovering around the point where I can make enough from L4s to pay for PLEXs now :)
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17:01<Xaroth>heh, commie corp so no personal funds
17:01<PeterT>ok, got YchaT
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17:02<KenjiE20>hehe, think ours is 0% tax :p
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17:02<Xaroth>ours is as well, but.. no personal funds/items/whatever
17:02<KenjiE20>or something equally rediculous
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17:03<Xaroth>corp supplies us with everything we need anyhow, so i don't really need personal stuff
17:03*KenjiE20 has aprox ~700 personal items in Rens
17:03<Xaroth>hah
17:03<KenjiE20>for no utter apparent reason
17:04<KenjiE20>I hoarde junk >_>
17:04<Xaroth>I have various bits of useless junk scattered across eve from when i was flying solo
17:04<KenjiE20>and corpse, but that's amusing
17:04<Xaroth>but nothing worth anything.
17:04<Xaroth>heh, i had like 600+ corpses in our previous outpost
17:04*Belugas goes home
17:04<@Belugas>bye bye
17:04<Xaroth>cya belugas
17:05<KenjiE20>o/
17:05<Nite_Owl>later Belugas
17:05<planetmaker>ciao Belugas and good night from here to all
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17:05<Nite_Owl>later planetmaker
17:05<PeterT>yay, the yChat crashes when i change the font
17:06<Xaroth>KenjiE20: does the name "Tornsoul" ring a bell?
17:06<KenjiE20>ermmmm.... don't think so
17:07<Xaroth>o_O
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17:08<KenjiE20>should it?
17:08<Xaroth>.. quite?
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17:12<Xaroth>KenjiE20: TS is the corp founder i'm in.. and somewhere high in the top 10 of influential people of eve :P
17:13<KenjiE20>ahhh, while I follow the nulsec politics, I'm not so keyed up on people :)
17:13<Xaroth>doubt you been playing for that long then :P
17:14<KenjiE20>2 and a half yrs and counting :p
17:14<Xaroth>hm
17:14<Xaroth>never heard of Fountain Alliance?
17:15<Eddi|zuHause>for the record, the proper way to install mfc42.dll is "winetricks vcrun6"
17:15<Xaroth>o_O
17:16<Eddi|zuHause>the file i found via google was somehow bad, it created "Call from 0x7bc48b9 to unimplemented function MFC42.DLL.6467" error
17:16<KenjiE20>I believe I remember seeing them in action in the tourney a couple back
17:16<Xaroth>FA died a long time ago, they merged with NORAD into RISE
17:17<Xaroth>FA was basically single-handedly kicking BOB's ass in Fountain
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17:17<Xaroth>.. until they merged
17:17<KenjiE20>ah, RISE I do remember
17:17<Xaroth>Tornsoul was the 'face' behind FA.. until the merge :P
17:18<Xaroth>and as a result of crappy leadership.. RISE sold it's soul to BOB
17:18<KenjiE20>like half of the others :P
17:18<Xaroth>yep
17:19<Xaroth>anyways, i was in another corp back in the fountain days, i joined BIG a year later
17:20<KenjiE20>I'm in a Pator Tech offshoot personally
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17:20<Xaroth>smells RP..ish :P
17:21<KenjiE20>not really, we're just the teeth in the cogs :)
17:21<Xaroth>there's actually a KenjiE variant in my alliance o_O
17:21<KenjiE20>O.o
17:21<KenjiE20>http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=MjQ0OTYwMDUy <-- me
17:21*Xaroth puts up a tinfoil hat
17:23<KenjiE20>hmph, Schumie back in F1...
17:23<Xaroth>lol overkill learning skills
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17:24<KenjiE20>makes up for my lack of not jamming +3+ in yet
17:24<Nite_Owl>@#$%*&
17:25<Xaroth>get +4s :P
17:25<Xaroth>you run missions, you can afford em
17:26<KenjiE20>I have a range of 4 of the +3s
17:26<KenjiE20>I should sell 'em and buy the remaining +4s
17:26<KenjiE20>got one from a storyline
17:26<Xaroth>o_O no connections skill?
17:27<KenjiE20>I'm a hodge podge :P
17:27<Xaroth>a what
17:27<KenjiE20>My skills are all ove
17:27<KenjiE20>+r
17:27<Xaroth>meh
17:27<Xaroth>mine are worse :P
17:28<KenjiE20>atm, I'm aiming for exhumers and cmd ships in prep for this possible WH push
17:29<Xaroth>http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=OTMxMzM0OTM5 should be my list, but it's not loading for me o_O
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17:30<KenjiE20>indeed, I think inEVE must be doing an API cycle or summat
17:30<Sacro>evening ladies, Prof_Frink
17:30<Xaroth>yep
17:30<Xaroth>lo Sacro
17:32*Prof_Frink boulders at Sacro
17:33<Sacro>Prof_Frink: i should head down south for some rock action
17:34<Prof_Frink>I'm heading East for some rock action.
17:34<Sacro>i head east for some water fun
17:34<Prof_Frink>Goin' to Font.
17:35<Sacro>Oh?
17:37<Prof_Frink>Sacro: As you can see from http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/showlog.html?id=88099 , I'm not getting out climbing that much.
17:38<Sacro>looks fairly busy
17:41<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16985 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: simplify the station removal code a bit by giving proper names and using some helper functions
17:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r16986 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_bridge.cpp: -Fix [NoAI]: AIBridge::GetPrice returned incorrect values
17:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16987 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: simplify the code to loop train station for the station demolish code
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18:09<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16988 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify the code for removing (parts of) stations and waypoints
18:13<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16989 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp waypoint_cmd.cpp waypoint_func.h): -Codechange: unify the code for demolishing (dynamite) stations and waypoints.
18:23<Nite_Owl>Time to go get food - later all
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18:32<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16990 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify some (command) naming w.r.t. stations/waypoints.
18:33<Xaroth>Rubidium: that's a lot of unifying.
18:35<+glx>unifying is a good thing
18:39<@Rubidium>except when managers 'rate' you on the number of lines you've added
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19:06<Eddi|zuHause><KenjiE20> http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=MjQ0OTYwMDUy <-- me <- is that where "female" is a euphemism for "40, male, fat, naked"?
19:07<KenjiE20>lol
19:07<KenjiE20>well given the choice I know what I'd rather look at while playing a game
19:14<Chruker>heh, that just about the same amount of skillpoints I got
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22:04<Neko-Master>Hello
22:05<Neko-Master>Any one around?
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22:08<Sacro>Yes
22:08<Tefad>no.
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23:23<dh2k3>question: where do we add the line wait_oneway_signal 255 at?
23:25<dh2k3>it says to add it under [patches] but when I open the .cfg file it's not listed
23:27<Eddi|zuHause>dh2k3: the documentation is probably old
23:27<dh2k3>k so where do we add that line then if the documentation is old?
23:27<dh2k3>I'm using 0.7.1
23:28<Eddi|zuHause>looks like in [pf] here
23:29<Eddi|zuHause>and while at it, update the piece of documentation that your are reading
23:29<Eddi|zuHause>the [patches] section is obsolete
23:30<Eddi|zuHause>the settings have been split into more meaningful categories
23:30<Eddi|zuHause>the sun is coming up, i should go to bed
23:31<dh2k3>so in [pf] add that line then?
23:31<Eddi|zuHause>if you have run openttd previously, every line should already be there
23:32<dh2k3>now if I play multiplayer will that line work for me or will it apply to the whole server?
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23:33<Eddi|zuHause>it should be a company setting, but maybe it defaults to the server setting
23:34<Eddi|zuHause>you should try changing it from the ingame console when you are in a multiplayer game
23:34<dh2k3>that's assuming that I have the rcon pw
23:34<Eddi|zuHause>you don't need rcon to try to change your own settings
23:35<Eddi|zuHause>rcon is for changing server settings
23:35<dh2k3>yes but if I play multiplayer will my setting work or will the servers be the one that's being used?
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23:36<Eddi|zuHause>i told you to try that exact thing
23:36<Eddi|zuHause>i don't usually play multiplayer
23:37<Eddi|zuHause>if the server forces the setting, you should get an error message
23:38<Yrol>(dh2k3) you have problems with your server?
23:38<dh2k3>only with oneway as I think servers default to 15 according to the config
23:38<dh2k3>I'm wondering if I play on multiplayer will my 255 setting work or will it default to the servers 15 setting?
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23:40<Yrol>(dh2k3) ah, so you dont have any problems, fine.
23:40<dh2k3>not with ottd :)
23:40<dh2k3>just wondering about if a local setting takes presidence over the servers
23:41<Eddi|zuHause>you could have tried that 10 times by now
23:41<Yrol>i wonder.. shall u get my pliers? to get it out of your nose i mean
23:41<Yrol>u=i
23:42<Yrol>right, Eddi|zuHause, if he would be intersted in solving it, he would be more open to help
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23:45<Yrol>and yet, i think, i know, what he wanted to know. 'twas about that waiting x time at a red signal before turning the train around", right?
23:50<z-MaTRiX>hey-ho
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