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01:39<DaleStan>planetmaker: Can you come up with any other tests for make install's directory? I currently intuit one of three different values on Windowsy systems, and one value for absolutely-everything-else.
01:40<DaleStan>Maybe this is just Windows being Windows.
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02:08<LadyHawk>if the guy's connection didn't suck, he might be able to
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02:08<DaleStan>He could stop rejoining, and then he wouldn't keep falling back off.
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03:12<planetmaker>DaleStan: there should be access to the env variables like SERPATH% (or similar, I don't have it at hand right now) - which could give you a localization and configuration independent path for windows
03:12<planetmaker>hm... the % U got eaten
03:13<planetmaker>but a destinction between windows and other OS needs to be made somehow.
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03:28<Ammler>morning guys
03:28<Ammler>:-o bored Rubidium
03:29<planetmaker>:-)
03:29<planetmaker>quite productively bored IMO :-)
03:29<planetmaker>morning all, morning Ammler
03:30<Ammler>now, we need to moe the pure white warnings to error log
03:30<Ammler>move*
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03:44<dihedral>good morning
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03:52<Alberth>good morning dihedral
04:02<planetmaker>some pure white warnings remain
04:03<Ammler>yes, but they should appear in the error log, so it would be more verbose.
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04:16<dihedral>http://www.tt-forums.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=25647 <- hehe - what a mean typo in the nick name :-P
04:17<Markk>He's a Swede too o/
04:28<@Rubidium>dihedral: you got a PPC mac, right?
04:29<dihedral>yes
04:29<@Rubidium>do http://rbijker.net/openttd/grfcodec-custom-r2170.zip and http://rbijker.net/openttd/nforenum-custom-r2169.zip work for you?
04:29<dihedral>i dont have it here at work though - i can get hold of it again around 18.00 CEST
04:29<dihedral>but i'll give it a shot then
04:31<dihedral>anything specific to look out for? or just running?
04:31<@Rubidium>well, it's to check whether the compile farm can make binaries of those for PPC that work
04:31<dihedral>eh.... great last sentence ^^
04:32<dihedral>ok
04:32<dihedral>i'll do that when i am home
04:40<planetmaker>Rubidium, thanks for all those graphics fixes :-)
04:41<planetmaker>concerning the pcx dependency, I'll have to see how to teach my mac to like it, too
04:41<planetmaker>somehow the sed syntax seems to differ...
04:42<@Rubidium>ghehe ;)
04:42<@Rubidium>get a proper sed
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04:59<TrueBrain>what a boring day .. what a boring day ..
05:00<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: you should ask those guy of OpenGFX about boring days ;)
05:01<TrueBrain>guys of OpenGFX: I wamt to ask you about boring days
05:01<TrueBrain>(why?)
05:01<@Rubidium>oh, I had a boring evening
05:02<TrueBrain>what did you do this time? :p
05:03<dihedral>TrueBrain, looks like that subconsciousness test of mine did not work
05:03<dihedral>:-P
05:03<TrueBrain>you did what now?
05:03<planetmaker>https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/352#change-934 resp. https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/activity <-- TrueBrain
05:04<TrueBrain>S L O W W W w w w
05:05<dihedral>uh - i did not know Rubidium participated in opengfx :)
05:05<Sacro>brickset?
05:05<Eddi|zuHause2><planetmaker> hm... the % U got eaten <- try doubling the %
05:05<dihedral>oh yeah - that was a piece of beauty, Sacro
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05:09<TrueBrain>planetmaker: why is the credit list in reversed order?!
05:10<@Rubidium>because Ammler doesn't like to be on top (of that list)
05:10<TrueBrain>and now it looks like Zephyris is more important
05:10<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17050 /trunk/src/newgrf_station.cpp: -Codechange: replace custom implementation of TILE_LOOP with TILE_LOOP.
05:10<TrueBrain>the idea of alphabetical order is to give the impression they are all equal .. reversing it kind of undos that
05:10<Sacro>a thing of beauty is a joy forever
05:12<Ammler>TrueBrain: it is Zephyris' set, the style which some like, some don't
05:14<planetmaker>Mainly Rubidium is right, though ;-)
05:14*planetmaker hides
05:15<dihedral>hehe
05:15<dihedral>oh the joys ^^
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05:20<dihedral>planetmaker, https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/54 <- personally i'd not advise on that ;) it'll give you more troubble than it's worth
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05:29<TrueBrain>Ammler: even the more reason to re-reverse that list
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05:40<OsteHovel^PDA>Im sitting here in a resturant in Norway and a track that is in OpenTTD or atlest it listened the same was playing ;D
05:49<Ammler>track?
05:52<Eddi|zuHause>a sound track...
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06:08<Groggy>can you run a game with only AI's?
06:09<TrueBrain>yup
06:09<TrueBrain>(btw, plural of AI is AIs, not AI's)
06:09<Groggy>yeah you are right
06:10<Groggy>but how do you do it?
06:10<TrueBrain>start a dedicated server and don't join the game, while AIs are active (in multiplayer)
06:10<Groggy>ah
06:10<TrueBrain>and in singleplayer you can do the same
06:10<TrueBrain>just then there is 1 company which is owned by you
06:10<TrueBrain>just don't do anything, and you still have a game with only AI
06:10<TrueBrain>s
06:11<Groggy>but won't the singelplayer game end when I don't have any money left?
06:12<TrueBrain>you have a few good years before that happens :)
06:12<TrueBrain>even then the game continues
06:12<Sacro>AI's is vaguely valid
06:12<Groggy>ok
06:12<Groggy>thanks
06:13<TrueBrain>np; just try a bit and you will find out yourself what happens :)
06:13<Alberth>Groggy: to prevent ending, set up a simple line that just makes a profit.
06:13<TrueBrain>Alberth: then it no longer is AIs only ;)
06:13<TrueBrain>in SP you can't go bankrupt, so I don't see the problem anyway ;)
06:13<Groggy>ah
06:14<Groggy>I thought I could go bankrupt
06:14<Groggy>then are there no problem
06:14<TrueBrain>you get a popup, you click no, you continue :p
06:14<TrueBrain>or was it yes ..
06:14<TrueBrain>haven't seen that dialog in ages :p
06:14<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: you haven't played in ages, so that's not fair
06:15<TrueBrain>Rubidium: you want to say it is no longer true? :)
06:15<Groggy>I just read and presses the right button
06:15<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: no, I've not played in ages (or rather, I've not gone bankrupt)
06:17<Alberth>we should add a new disaster for such players: "tax scandal: president is forced to resign" :p
06:17<Sacro>"President is spotted getting blowjob - impeached"
06:18<TrueBrain>you should get promoted in that case, Sacro
06:18<TrueBrain>"President still gots it!"
06:18<Alberth>could be a nice side effect when spotted bribing the city :)
06:18<Eddi|zuHause>err...
06:19<Sacro>TrueBrain: didn't happen for Bill though
06:19<Eddi|zuHause>disturbing image alert!
06:19<TrueBrain>he was married
06:19<@Rubidium>"President spotted on the Apalachian trail"
06:21<Eddi|zuHause>even after all those years, the late night talkshows are still full of bill and hillary jokes
06:21<Eddi|zuHause>especially during the election campaign
06:22<@Rubidium>planetmaker: maybe http://rbijker.net/openttd/silence-grfcodec-non-warnings.diff is useful for the "compile farm" for OGFX; makes the logs more useful
06:24<Eddi|zuHause>is it me or is it very cold today?
06:24<@Rubidium>yes
06:24<TrueBrain>I love such answers :)
06:24<TrueBrain>completely useless
06:24<Eddi|zuHause>i love it, too
06:25<Eddi|zuHause>i very often answer that way :)
06:25<TrueBrain>we had a foreign person over yesterday
06:25<TrueBrain>and he closed every sentence with: you know?
06:25<TrueBrain>we kept on replying with: no
06:25<TrueBrain>he got annoyed
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06:25<@Rubidium>nice, mkay
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07:00<Ammler>Rubidium: I like the patch, what about redirect warnings to stderr?
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07:10<@Rubidium>Ammler: you couldn't code that yourself? That's trivial: http://rbijker.net/openttd/grfcodec-warnings-to-stderr.diff
07:12<Ammler>:-) thanks
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07:14<Ammler>I thought, there is a reason, those warnings are on stdout.
07:14<TrueBrain>again, having such moment? :p
07:14<Ammler>well, it might be easier to ask, when I don't have such moments :-P
07:15<@Rubidium>when you're 'the late Ammler'?
07:15<Ammler>hmm, truebrain means something else.
07:16<Ammler>(I guess)
07:16<TrueBrain>you know what I refer to ;)
07:16<Ammler>anyway I will use those patches on the server.
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07:19<Ammler>I guess, I see, why they aren't piped to stderr
07:20<Ammler>you don't see which pcx is meant
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07:21<Alberth>then the pcx name should be part of the warning imho
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07:22<TrueBrain>dihedral: fix your VPS! :p
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07:23<Ammler>maybe, that is what he does right now :-)
07:24<@Rubidium>Ammler: the pcx was never shown
07:25<Ammler>hmm
07:25<@Rubidium>you get the sprite number though
07:25<@Rubidium>and with that you can grep the .nfo and get the file AND the exact location
07:26<Ammler>maybe I should generate just one file and grep it for warnings and errors
07:28<Ammler>the issue is just on opengfx, else you have one grf, only.
07:28<Alberth>until you run a number of conversions in batch
07:28<Ammler>conversions like?
07:29<Alberth>suppose I have several grf sources, and build them all in one run.
07:31<Alberth>(ie I think an error/warning should give you enough indication to find the point of the error in the orginal source without further trickery with files, grep, etc)
07:32<Ammler>yeah, that might be the reason, grfcodec trunk doesn't pipe it to stderr
07:34<Alberth>BAD grfcodec. However, programs originating from DOS tend to do that. Such programs also tend to output useless copyright and progress text :p
07:34<planetmaker>:-D
07:35<Alberth>(so the errors are nicely hidden in all the other output)
07:36<Alberth>(and using the program in a pipe is not possible :( )
07:37<@Rubidium>anyhow... you can 'easily' get the filename of the pcx, but the information about the location within the pcx seems already lost at that place
07:38<Ammler>well, you need to check the nfo anyway
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07:40<Ammler>so it would suffice if you know at least the nfo and maybe the pcx.
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07:42<Ammler>but that might also be the task of the Makefile
07:43<Alberth>Ammler: I really like what you are doing with "AI Battle Royale".
07:44<Ammler>me?
07:45<Alberth>oh, sorry, I mean Roujin
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08:07<dihedral><TrueBrain> dihedral: fix your VPS! :p <- nothing i could control
08:09<TrueBrain>sure sure :p
08:09<dihedral>pffft ^^
08:09<blathijs>dihedral: Make other people fix it then :-p
08:09<blathijs>Optionally by paying them more money
08:10<dihedral>you can ditch that thought ;-)
08:11<blathijs>:-)
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08:20<OwenS>e
08:24<dihedral>http://www.xkcd.com/606/
08:24<dihedral>OwenS, check for a tun device :-P
08:24<OwenS>dihedral: It's configured for tap mode. And no virtual devices whatsoever
08:25<dihedral>in early openvpn times i had to create the device myself with mknod
08:25<dihedral>i do assume here you are running a linux os
08:25<OwenS>The malfunctioning end I am :p
08:25<OwenS>The working fine end is Solaris
08:26<OwenS>Mon Aug 3 08:26:14 2009 us=565884 TLS Error: TLS key negotiation failed to occur within 60 seconds (check your network connectivity) <-- =S
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08:35<Eddi|zuHause>hm... today's xkcd reminds me of last week's robot chicken...
08:35<Eddi|zuHause>they also had an armageddon parody there
08:37<OwenS>http://www.xkcd.com/609/ is my favorite
08:41<dihedral>OwenS, and you are using the same version on both ends?
08:46<@Belugas>hello
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09:01<Ammler>nice forum signature, dihedral :-)
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10:03<Eddi|zuHause>this is weird... i have two tv recordings of the same movie, 1 day apart, same channel
10:03<Eddi|zuHause>both are 4:3 letterbox
10:03<Eddi|zuHause>but they are completely differently cropped
10:04<goodger>conspiracy
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10:08<Sacro>ls
10:08<Sacro>erm
10:08<Sacro>*hides*
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10:08<@Rubidium>:O Sacro playing hide'n'seek with Exl?
10:09<Eddi|zuHause>this directory is empty.
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10:09<Lord>hi
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10:10<@Rubidium>bye
10:11<@Belugas>Lord has spoken!
10:11<@Belugas>quite a dynamic ip indeed
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10:20<TrueBrain>I think he said enough
10:23<Eddi|zuHause>more than the people who just join and quit without saying anything? :p
10:23<TrueBrain>very true
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10:44<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17051 /trunk/src/ (company_cmd.cpp graph_gui.cpp): -Codechange: make the graph legend window use nested widgets
10:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17052 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Codechange: move state changes out of OnPaint for the graph windows
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10:58<adam_vollrath>Good morning.
10:59<@DorpsGek>hello
10:59<adam_vollrath>I'd like to do some simple development: Create a new list of town names. How much work would this be to set up?
10:59<TrueBrain>depends on your C++ skills, I say
11:00<Eddi|zuHause>town name generators are done via newgrf
11:00<TrueBrain>they are?
11:00<Eddi|zuHause>there are examples for that out there
11:00<Eddi|zuHause>yes, they are
11:00<adam_vollrath>I haven't yet found an example.
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11:00<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: then what does namegen.cpp do?
11:01<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: old stuff
11:01<DaleStan>adam_vollrath: Google for 'ustowns' or 'ustownset', I think.
11:01<Alberth>town directory window should contain an example
11:01<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: the problem with cpp name generators is that you cannot replace them
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11:01<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: I am not complaining, just wondering when someone would convert them to grfs
11:01<DaleStan>So, actually, that doesn't work. Nevermind.
11:02<adam_vollrath>Where would I look to get started with NewGRF development in general?
11:02<Eddi|zuHause>wiki.ttdpatch.net
11:02<DaleStan>wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs
11:02<adam_vollrath>And if anyone can point me to an example source for a town name NewGRF, that'd be v helpful.
11:03<Ammler>adam_vollrath: glx dev space
11:03<Eddi|zuHause>afair there was the conversion of the french town names as example... not sure
11:03<+glx>adam_vollrath: http://devs.openttd.org/~glx/townname/
11:03<+glx>conversion of openttd generators into newgrf
11:03<DaleStan>Also, http://as-st.com/ttd/newusa/files/ustowns.zip (decode the GRF.)
11:04<Ammler>french town names does use real names
11:04<Ammler>just randomize a big list
11:04<Eddi|zuHause>using a list of real names is probably the easiest
11:04<+glx>TrueBrain: all can be converted (except english I think)
11:05<TrueBrain>glx: why isn't it done yet then? :)
11:05<TrueBrain>(just wondering, really)
11:05<+glx>I did 2 of them
11:06<Eddi|zuHause>didn't english have some exceptions for "unsuitable" names?
11:06<Ammler>it would generate new support tickets, where is my town name generator gone? ;-)
11:06<adam_vollrath>Hrm. Are there any NewGRF developers willing to help me replace the town names for a modest PayPal donation?
11:06<TrueBrain>lol, I think he used too many times the Bribe button :)
11:07<Ammler>adam_vollrath: collect everything you have, make a nice tt-forums post and ask there for help.
11:08<Ammler>if the list/design is ready, I am sure, you will find some help.
11:09<adam_vollrath>Can I just replace the strings in this file? http://devs.openttd.org/~glx/townname/austrian.nfo
11:09<adam_vollrath>^ or do I need to alter the byte offsets there too?
11:09<+glx>read the specs
11:09<adam_vollrath>Yeah I can't find the specs.
11:10<TrueBrain>http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs
11:10<+glx>action 0F
11:13<adam_vollrath>wow this does not look simple.
11:13<Eddi|zuHause>it needs a little reading into...
11:14<adam_vollrath>http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ActionF
11:15<adam_vollrath>Do I need to edit all that hex by hand or are there tools to help with this?
11:15<Eddi|zuHause>you could try grfmaker, but i don't know if it handles town names
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11:23<+glx>it is very simple (compared to other newgrf actions)
11:24<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17053 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Codechange: pass a Rect to DrawGraph so it knows where to draw
11:24<adam_vollrath>I'm gonna poast on the tt-forums about it soon, I think.
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11:26<CIA-1>OpenTTD: alberth * r17054 /trunk/src/bridge_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Bridge gui uses nested widgets only.
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12:13<IndioCabron> Have you ever suspected that Negroes are actually a transitional variant of Homo Erectus? Source: http://www.erectuswalksamongst.us Sick of niiiggggers and their monkeyshines? Then join us at Chimpout.com! At Chimpout we are not White Supremacists, rather we are Negro Inferiorists. Chimpout.com welcomes the rainbow of diversity that exists amongst humans, welcoming with open arms Asians, White
12:13-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!~IndioCabr@200.79.144.187.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] by DorpsGek
12:13-!-IndioCabron was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [IndioCabron]
12:15<@Rubidium>actually I'm sick of you Chimpout spammers...
12:16<keoz>wow
12:18<+glx>wow this trigger was not used for a long time
12:19<@Rubidium>glx: does the trigger also notify the OFTC admins of the spammer?
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12:19<+glx>no it only commands DorpsGek
12:19<keoz>it's a trigger ? :)
12:20<+glx>keoz: how do you think the kickban can be that fast ?
12:21<keoz>oh ... yes. I understood something else
12:21<dihedral>Rubidium, the 2 zip's you asked me to run...
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12:22<@Rubidium>dihedral: good to know, then I'll add OSX-PPC to the compile farm
12:22<dihedral>i actually never en/decode grf's, etc.
12:22<@Rubidium>dihedral: just build ogfx with it ;)
12:22<dihedral>k
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12:28<adam_vollrath>Thank you to everyone who advised me earlier. I've posted a thread asking for more info on new town names: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=44609&p=807338
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12:29<TrueBrain>oh, and my paypal is ... :p
12:29<@Rubidium>owen@ ?
12:29<TrueBrain>I was more thinking off my personal one :p
12:30<Alberth>Rubidium: (05:06:27 PM) adam_vollrath: Hrm. Are there any NewGRF developers willing to help me replace the town names for a modest PayPal donation?
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12:30<dihedral>[Generating:] opengfx.obg
12:30<dihedral>[Done] Basegraphics successfully generated.
12:30<dihedral>^ Rubidium
12:31<@Rubidium>splendid
12:32<Eddi|zuHause>wonderful
12:32<@Rubidium>so rosetta just sucks ;)
12:32<Eddi|zuHause>that always reminds me of asterix
12:33<Eddi|zuHause>where they join the legion and everyone is disgusted by the food, except the british guy :p
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12:36<CIA-1>OpenTTD: alberth * r17055 /trunk/src/bridge_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Improve aligning of bridge sprites and descriptions in bridge gui.
12:37<planetmaker>Rubidium, is that the same binary you gave me?
12:37<planetmaker>(or same build process)
12:37<@Rubidium>should be, though you can retest
12:37<@Belugas>naaa.. that one has a virus, not yours
12:38<planetmaker>:-D
12:38<@Rubidium>Belugas: no, I don't do viri, only keyloggers in Apple keyboards :)
12:38<planetmaker>latest nightly of grfcodec / renum right?
12:38<planetmaker>:-P
12:38<Eddi|zuHause>virii
12:39<@Rubidium>planetmaker: http://rbijker.net/openttd/grfcodec-custom-r2171.zip and http://rbijker.net/openttd/nforenum-custom-r2169.zip
12:39<Eddi|zuHause>virates
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12:40<dihedral>viruseses
12:41<@Belugas>flu
12:41<TrueBrain>ill
12:41<planetmaker>I must have tested renum :-) The link is differently coloured :-)
12:42<CIA-1>OpenTTD: alberth * r17056 /trunk/src/bridge_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Reduce width of the drop-down in the bridge gui.
12:42<Alberth>nah, Rubidium just renamed the binaries
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12:43<@Rubidium>planetmaker: well, I've rebuilt them with newer revisions
12:44<planetmaker>well... renum obviously not :-)
12:45<@Rubidium>then there wasn't a newer version of that ;)
12:45<planetmaker>^ :-)
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13:00<TrueBrain>pff .. 52 languages .. pff .. takes so long :(
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13:02<TrueBrain>80 seconds per language .. pff
13:02<TrueBrain>@calc 80 * 52 / 60
13:02<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 69.3333333333
13:02<dihedral>Yexo, \o/
13:03<Yexo>good evening :)
13:03<dihedral>infedels
13:03<TrueBrain>I KILL YOU!
13:04<dihedral>:-D
13:04<TrueBrain>Jeff Dunham ... briliant guy
13:04<dihedral>uh yeah
13:05<dihedral>i like his "Bubba J" too
13:05<TrueBrain>bounce bounce bounce
13:06<dihedral>"what a tooth"
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13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r17057 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 28 changes by kasakg
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 4 changes by Gavin
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: dutch - 12 changes by habell
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: english_US - 54 changes by agenthh
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: finnish - 9 changes by jpx_
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13:50<Yexo>:(
13:51<Yexo>when will habell learn to be consistent?
13:51<Yexo>"op ...locatie", but "op de vliegtuiglocatie" <- why use "de" only in that string?
13:52<Alberth>TrueBrain: feature request, allow for peer review of changes
13:53<@Rubidium>Alberth: you can already do that
13:54<Alberth>nice!
13:57<dihedral>Alberth, there needs to be an active peer for that :-P
13:58<Alberth>dihedral: that's one of the few short comings of a peer review system indeed.
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14:23<DaleStan>Why can't POSIX and ISO agree on whether funtion names start with _?
14:24<@Rubidium>DaleStan: what do you mean?
14:24<DaleStan>According to MSDN, "isatty: This POSIX function is deprecated beginning in Visual C++ 2005. Use the ISO C++ conformant _isatty instead."
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14:25<@Rubidium>that's more a MS thingy; they have deprecated basically the whole POSIX set of functions
14:25<Alberth>that is not a ISO function, but a MS "ISO C++ conformant" function.
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14:26<@Rubidium>also the C++ specs I've got don't mention isatty
14:26<ddfreyne>didn't MS add a _s to everything anyway?
14:26<@Rubidium>ddfreyne: not always
14:26<Alberth>Rubidium: it's a unix library thing
14:26<ddfreyne>gets_s and printf_s and whatever
14:27<DaleStan>But yes, MS does like to add random characters to perfectly ordinary function names.
14:27<Alberth>not to mention put type information in varnames :)
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14:31<fjb>Hello
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14:32<ddfreyne>Alberth: hungarian notation comes in two forms… good and bad
14:33<ddfreyne>IMO, "bad" means putting the actual type in there (i for integer, b for boolean, …) and "good" means not the type but the kind ("m" for member variable, "k" for constant, "a" for argument, …)
14:33<@Rubidium>DaleStan: for what it's worth: "This POSIX function is deprecated beginning in Visual C++ 2005. Use the ISO C++ conformant _access or security-enhanced _access_s instead." (grfcodec uses access)
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14:36<@Rubidium>although I see no difference in the declaration of the function in Linux or the _access function in Windows
14:37<frosch123>ddfreyne: and which of those two forms uses 'p' for pointer, 'r' for reference, 'sp' for smart autopointers, and at the same time 's' for static?
14:37<@Rubidium>and sp for static pointers
14:37<ddfreyne>frosch123: bad, probably ;)
14:38<ddfreyne>frosch123: I only introduce hungarian notation in my code when I believe that it is useful… I mostly stick to "a" and "m", which makes the purpose of the variables quite a bit more clear IMHO
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14:40<ddfreyne>http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Wrong.html is a good reference
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14:48<Alberth>ddfreyne: I used such conventions too for some years, but stopped doing that, too cumbersome and not very useful
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14:51*frosch123 is usually only annoyed about "char* foo;" instead of "char *foo;"
14:51<frosch123>though I still have not figured out whether "const int a = 5" or "int const a = 5" is more correct
14:52<TrueBrain>hmm .. how long did that take to get into OpenTTD developers mind ... to use char * over char* ...
14:52<Alberth>for many years I wrote "char*foo" :)
14:52<@Belugas>aString : String;
14:52<@Belugas>:P
14:52<TrueBrain>lol @ Belugas :)
14:53<@Belugas>;)
14:53<frosch123>well, for sure, pascal's ^ is way better than c's *
14:53<@Belugas>aString : ^String;
14:53<Alberth>aString: String, bString: String, cString: String
14:54<TrueBrain>a#String
14:54<TrueBrain>ghehe
14:54<frosch123>Alberth: s/,/;/g
14:54<@Belugas>aString : AnsiChar;
14:54<@Rubidium>a NoString branch?
14:54<Xaroth>A string.
14:54<@Belugas>buwhahaha!
14:55<frosch123>AnsiChar? AnsiString?
14:57<@Belugas>heum...
14:57<@Belugas>yeah...
14:57*Belugas hides
14:59<ddfreyne>Alberth: to be honest, I don't code in C much anymore these days, and I have only a small number of hungarian notation conventions I stick to
15:02<@Belugas>hooo... frosch123 : "Object Pascal supports single-byte and multibyte characters and strings through the Char, PChar, AnsiChar, PAnsiChar, and AnsiString types."
15:02<@Belugas>so.. both!
15:03<frosch123>never used them :)
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15:08<frosch123>"I’m using the word kind on purpose, there, because Simonyi mistakenly used the word type in his paper, and generations of programmers misunderstood what he meant." <- lol
15:08<@Belugas>no, indeed not
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15:25<TrueBrain># Come on come on, lets work together
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15:25<TrueBrain>sf.net, category Games, top 10, first hit: desktop tool. 4th hit: freeguide tv guide
15:25<TrueBrain>WTF?!
15:26<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: you're saying it wrong
15:27<TrueBrain>tg,mfu' dbufhpsz
15:27<TrueBrain>pff, this takes too much work
15:27<@Rubidium>and sf.net has improved their non-usefulness one again
15:27<TrueBrain>well, sf.net now looks AWESOME!
15:27<TrueBrain>yet it sucks
15:27<TrueBrain>makes you wonder
15:28<TrueBrain>how often can one make a complete disaster which then be called 'design'
15:28<@Rubidium>just a quick quiz
15:29<TrueBrain>OpenTTD is ranked 3191 .. nice :p
15:29<@Rubidium>how many packages can you mark as being a Windows download?
15:29<Xaroth>the site looks nicer now, the actual browsing through it has gone from sucky to bloody impossible
15:29<TrueBrain>Xaroth: yeah, a common mistake ;)
15:29<TrueBrain>"
15:29<TrueBrain>
15:29<TrueBrain>57.74%
15:29<TrueBrain> 93.58% 16,642 2006-05-17 N/A 188
15:29<TrueBrain>openHospital is a rewrite of the classic Theme Hospital by Bullfrog. In the spirit of OpenTTD, OH aims to develop a new software core using the original game data from Theme Hospital.
15:29<TrueBrain>lol
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15:29<Xaroth>o_O
15:29<Xaroth>lmao
15:30<TrueBrain>the game was nice
15:30<TrueBrain>wonder if the clone is any good, it being 3 years old and no release
15:30<Xaroth>it wasn't a keeper like TTDX :/
15:30<@Rubidium>tss... no-one participates in my quiz :(
15:30<Xaroth>Rubidium: 2 * 1/2
15:30<Yexo>did OH come off the ground at all? I've seen a topic about it somewhere at tt-forums
15:30<TrueBrain>Rubidium: it isn't a quiz, it is a trap .. and I hate traps
15:30<TrueBrain>well, the site via SF leads to nothing
15:31<TrueBrain>oeh, after 3 redirects, I think I found something
15:31<TrueBrain>'recent' activity (16 july this year)
15:31<Xaroth>o_O
15:31<Xaroth>only half a month!
15:31<@Rubidium>I think that sf has some storage and bandwidth problems
15:32<TrueBrain>can't find anything that relates to any source or VCS
15:32<Xaroth>Rubidium: s/some storage and bandwidth//
15:32<TrueBrain>wonder what the 'open' part means :p
15:32<@Rubidium>oh... I read that today
15:33<TrueBrain>oeh, they have a SVN
15:33<TrueBrain>took me a while to find it, but that is back at SF ..
15:33<TrueBrain>good documentation is 90% of the work, but okay
15:33<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: the open as in "This time it wants open standards to be "balanced" — for them to include patent-encumbered technologies under RAND (reasonable and non-discriminatory) terms"
15:34<TrueBrain>they use lua
15:34<TrueBrain>nice
15:34<Xaroth>I wonder where they got that one from..
15:35<TrueBrain>MSVC only, by the looks
15:35<TrueBrain>(unsigned short const floor)
15:35<TrueBrain>hihi @ name
15:35<Xaroth>o_O
15:35<TrueBrain>coding style isn't really consistant
15:35<TrueBrain>but overall more readable than DOSBox
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15:36<TrueBrain>good lack of documentation in-code
15:36<Xaroth>did DOSBox actually have coding standards?
15:36<TrueBrain>I doubt that
15:36<TrueBrain>unreadable piece of shit
15:36<TrueBrain>blabla + 0x10
15:36<TrueBrain>2 lines lower
15:36<TrueBrain>blabla + 16
15:36<TrueBrain>FUCK YOU
15:36<TrueBrain>I stop reading at that point
15:36<TrueBrain>my mind just goes blank
15:37<TrueBrain>I went to a doctor for it, he went blank too
15:37<TrueBrain>so I guess it is not me
15:37<Xaroth>Rorschach test!
15:37<TrueBrain>GLee .. hmm .. GLee isnice
15:38<TrueBrain>don't start about Rorschach please, I read enough of it in the papers
15:38<Xaroth>heh
15:38<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: and a few lines beloew that blabla + 020 ?
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15:38<TrueBrain>Rubidium: no, please no
15:39<TrueBrain>when I would read that, I would start writing a big flame mail
15:39<TrueBrain>in open letter form or what ever
15:39<TrueBrain>as then I believe it contains code that sneaks secret info to them
15:40<Aali>don't forget blabla + 10000b
15:40<LadyHawk>hex
15:40<TrueBrain>hex yourself!
15:40<LadyHawk>no the + stuff
15:40<LadyHawk>hex
15:40<TrueBrain>what about it?
15:40<LadyHawk>it's hexadecimals
15:40<TrueBrain>what?
15:40<TrueBrain>where?
15:40<LadyHawk>lmao
15:40<LadyHawk>never mind =)
15:41<TrueBrain>pfew
15:41<TrueBrain>I was about to put you in the same group as Ammler
15:41<TrueBrain>which can't be a good thing :)
15:41<@Rubidium>Aali: blabla + 10000b isn't obscure
15:41<planetmaker>I've the strong feeling that one person doesn't make sense here :-)
15:41<TrueBrain>(/me gniffels, sorry Ammler, I won't keep bringing it up ;))
15:41<Aali>Rubidium: and blabla + 16 is?
15:41<Xaroth>o_O
15:41<TrueBrain>planetmaker: that person itself, or what he/she says? :)
15:41<Xaroth>Aali: context
15:41<@Rubidium>Aali: no, blabla + 020 is
15:41<TrueBrain>(the first slightly more disturbing?)
15:41<Xaroth>blabla + 0x10; \n \n blabla + 16;
15:41<planetmaker>haha :-) I guess I should have said "The words of..."
15:42<TrueBrain>planetmaker: ;)
15:42<Xaroth>first you add a hexadecimal, afterwards you add a decimal
15:42<Xaroth>== no consistency
15:42<planetmaker>Before that I'll do +0x30 * 100b
15:42<Aali>Rubidium: good for you, I didn't know we were holding an obscurity contest
15:42<TrueBrain>Aali: you should have read the conversation :)
15:42<planetmaker>:-D
15:43<TrueBrain>in general a good idea :p
15:43<TrueBrain>I LOVE MY SUBWOOFER!
15:43<TrueBrain>woesh :)
15:43<TrueBrain>just .. my stuff tend to fall off my desk now :s
15:43<Xaroth>lol
15:44*Rubidium wonders whether his neighbours feel the same love
15:44<TrueBrain>who knew, that 9 crimes would had such a deep bassline ...
15:44<TrueBrain>Rubidium: they don't. I confirmed that already.
15:44<Xaroth>TrueBrain: play some tool
15:44<TrueBrain>when I started Red Faction (on the xbox360), they came looking wondering what the fuck was going on :p
15:44<Xaroth>Lost keys has a nice annoying tone during the ENTIRE song that pisses off most people :P
15:45<Aali>TrueBrain: I did, but again, I seem to have missed the point where it turns into an obscurity contest
15:45<TrueBrain>Aali: happens :)
15:45<TrueBrain>I guess it has to do that I know Rubidium slightly longer ;)
15:45<LadyHawk>TrueBrain, which 'group' is Ammler in and what are the requirements to get in?
15:45<LadyHawk>=P
15:45<Xaroth>'spekul people' and 'being insane' ?
15:46*Xaroth hides
15:46<Aali>I guess I should just get back to work
15:46<@Belugas>that's what i'm telling myself about every 10 minutes
15:47<TrueBrain>[Sun Aug 2 2009] [18:00:33] <OsteHovel^Atom> Im so stupid sometimes
15:47<TrueBrain>[Sun Aug 2 2009] [18:04:53] <Ammler> and you aren't alone :-)
15:47<TrueBrain>[Sun Aug 2 2009] [18:05:33] <TrueBrain> Ammler: you feel yourself included in that group of stupid people? :)
15:47<TrueBrain>[Sun Aug 2 2009] [18:05:45] <Ammler> yes, very much.
15:47<TrueBrain>[Sun Aug 2 2009] [18:06:00] <Ammler> well "sometimes"
15:47<TrueBrain>LadyHawk: nuff said?
15:47<TrueBrain>Aali / Belugas: I gave up trying to tell myself
15:48<LadyHawk>nuff said
15:48<TrueBrain>and I am teesing him with it all day .. I tihnk I should stop doing that :)
15:49<LadyHawk>would you be able to? =P
15:49<TrueBrain>I no longer kick yorick every time I see him
15:49<TrueBrain>I guess I can
15:49<planetmaker>hehe. People grow up
15:50<TrueBrain>really?
15:50<TrueBrain>shit
15:50<LadyHawk>i wouldn't go that far
15:50<planetmaker>yeah. But the far and remote places are the most lovely.
15:50<planetmaker>the beaten track is for the plebs.
15:50<planetmaker>:-)
15:52<@Rubidium>Aali: didn't the dosbox of TrueBrain imply that it was about obscurity?
15:53<TrueBrain>I Guess the answer is: no
15:53<TrueBrain>but that might be obvious ;)
15:58<TrueBrain>I am bored
15:58<TrueBrain>LadyHawk: entertain us
16:00<TrueBrain>Yexo: your translation is now also very inconsistent
16:00<TrueBrain>(the pending one)
16:00<TrueBrain>"{BLACK}Centreer het scherm op vliegtuiglocatie" vs "{BLACK}Centreer het scherm op de locatie van de industrie"
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16:01<Yexo>the industri one is inconsitent,not mine
16:01<Yexo>but thanks for noticing :)
16:01<TrueBrain>they are consistent with the other depots
16:01<LadyHawk>'vliegtuiglocatie' is supposed to be 2 words?
16:02<TrueBrain>but yeah, I would say, it is about 50 / 50 now :p
16:02<TrueBrain>yeah, I also doubt about that word
16:02<TrueBrain>why not: 'locatie van vliegtuig'
16:02<TrueBrain>or 'de locatie van het vlieguig'
16:02<TrueBrain>for all I care .. to make it both AB(N) Dutch and readable :p
16:02<LadyHawk>even 'vliegtuig locatie' would do, to keep it short
16:02<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belugas * r17058 /trunk/src/ (company_base.h company_type.h economy.cpp graph_gui.cpp):
16:02<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Codechange: magic numbers removal.
16:02<CIA-1>OpenTTD: Two values used intead of just one, as it gives more possibilities to those who dare...
16:02<Yexo>I think that would be better, but it was easier to change just that one string this way :)
16:02<Alberth>LadyHawk: 'vliegtuiglokatie'
16:02<TrueBrain>Yexo: so for once, I am going to make a change to WT3 language :p
16:03<LadyHawk>that's 2 words
16:03<TrueBrain>lokatie over locatie .. hehe ;)
16:03<LadyHawk>ah sorry if my spelling's a bit off, been living in england for 5+ years
16:03<Alberth>LadyHawk: no, one word, Dutch doesn't insert spaces
16:03<TrueBrain>Alberth: is that really a word?
16:03<LadyHawk>'vliegtuiglocatie' isn't a word
16:03<TrueBrain>it reads like crap, that for sure
16:03<LadyHawk>it sounds weird
16:04<TrueBrain>and we are not Germans .. so we don't do that shit :p
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16:04<Alberth>I agree that it looks crap
16:04<DJNekkid>can anyone of you know or can guess how much (lets say in %) of the power a TGV (for example) use at cruising speed?
16:04<TrueBrain>DJNekkid: I guess .. 22.323125%
16:04<DJNekkid>*do anyone
16:04<TrueBrain>am I right?
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16:04<andythenorth>evening
16:04<DJNekkid>i have no idea,
16:04<DJNekkid>im just wondering...
16:04<TrueBrain>then why you ask us to guess :(
16:04<DJNekkid>trying to calculate how much power it use per year
16:04<Yexo>the dutch translation is bad
16:05<DJNekkid>calculated/qualified guess can
16:05<TrueBrain>Lokatie is wrong btw, it is locatie (vandale.nl)
16:05<DJNekkid>can = then
16:05<LadyHawk>so i was right
16:05<LadyHawk>does 'vliegtuiglocatie' translate as a word?
16:05<LadyHawk>lol
16:05<Yexo>no, it's not a word
16:05<TrueBrain>Yexo: can you look at STR_TOWN_VIEW_CENTER_TOOLTIP for me?
16:05<TrueBrain>('stad', 'plaats' stuff)
16:06<TrueBrain>'van de plaats' sounds weird, so I made it 'stad', but I am not sure that is consistent :p
16:06<LadyHawk>which tooltip is that?
16:06<Yexo>it's fine :)
16:06<Yexo>I still need to go over all plaats/dorp/stad strings to make them consistent
16:06<TrueBrain>Yexo: weird enough I am undoing habell's work of a few revisions ago :s
16:06<Yexo>so for now, any one of them is ok
16:07<Yexo>the previous translation was indeed better :)
16:07<TrueBrain>I only made 'dit schip' naar 'het schip'
16:08<Yexo>but he also did s/hoofdbeeld/het scherm/, I hope you're not undoing that too?
16:08<TrueBrain>nope, in fact, doing the ones he forgot
16:08<TrueBrain>'hoofdbeeld'
16:08<TrueBrain>wtf is that?
16:08<TrueBrain>a statue?
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16:09<TrueBrain>'trein depot' vs 'schipdepot'
16:09<LadyHawk>hoofdbeeld = statue yeh
16:09<TrueBrain>"wegvoertuigdepot locatie" <- que? :)
16:10<TrueBrain>wegvoertuigdepot? What kind of German dialect is that?
16:10<LadyHawk>eh, that isn't right
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16:10<LadyHawk>but it's trying to be 'road depot' which would be 'garage' in my opinion
16:10<Yexo>I can't think of a better translation for road depot
16:10<Yexo>garage is nice :)
16:10<TrueBrain>auto garage?
16:10<LadyHawk>that might be a bit clearer yeah
16:11<Yexo>for busses / trucks?
16:11<TrueBrain>shall we translate all 'depot' to 'garage', or is that too much?
16:11<Yexo>the "auto" part doesn't sound right to me
16:11<TrueBrain>Yexo: yes, instead of 'wegvoertuigdepot' :p
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16:11<Yexo>it's definitely an improvement, but why not just "garage"?
16:11<TrueBrain>what to do with the other 'depot's?
16:11<LadyHawk>train depot wouldn't be a 'garage'
16:11<TrueBrain>true
16:12<Yexo>for planes it's just hangar
16:12<Yexo>for ships maybe "dok"?
16:12<TrueBrain>dok, I like
16:18<TrueBrain>that only leaves 'treindepot'
16:18<LadyHawk>i can't remember what they're called
16:18<LadyHawk>lol
16:19<LadyHawk>that's 2 words though
16:21<TrueBrain>STR_DEPOT_ROAD_VEHICLE_CAPTION has "Bouw" in dutch .. while I don't see anything in the english which suggests that :s
16:21<Yexo>rangeerstation ? Not really correct, but it might do
16:21<Alberth>remise
16:21<TrueBrain>'Scheepswerf' is used for 'dok'
16:21<Yexo>Alberth: that's for busses / trams
16:22<Yexo>but I like it :)
16:22<TrueBrain>I also need something for tramdepot :p
16:22<Yexo>busremise / tramremise :p
16:23<Alberth>'Scheepswerf' is for building ships, 'dok' also tends in that direction, but is more general imho.
16:23<TrueBrain>so Dok it is
16:23<Yexo>yes, but the dock in openttd is mainly for building ships
16:23<Eddi|zuHause>but "Straßenbahndepot" is very valid in german
16:24<Eddi|zuHause>"Dock" is more like the ship-station, the ship-depot should be a "Werft"
16:24<frosch123>s/Werft/Trockendock/
16:24<Eddi|zuHause>it's not really dry ;)
16:24<frosch123>"Werft" is only for new ships
16:25<Eddi|zuHause>maybe the fish-heads should discuss that ;)
16:25<TrueBrain>"vliegtuig hangar" .. lets call it just 'hangar'
16:26<Yexo>yes, hangar is enough
16:26<Eddi|zuHause>something's awfully wrong today... my mouse totally misbehaves
16:27<Alberth>my dictionary says "hangar" -> "(vliegtuig)loods"
16:28<TrueBrain>english.txt weirdness (maybe you know Rubidium):
16:28<TrueBrain>STR_BUILD_DEPOT_TRAIN_ORIENTATION
16:28<TrueBrain>STR_BUILD_DEPOT_ROAD_ORIENTATION
16:28<TrueBrain>The first says: {BLACK}Select railway depot orientation
16:28<TrueBrain>The second: {WHITE}Road Depot Orientation
16:28<TrueBrain>colours are different, text is different ..
16:28<TrueBrain>what is going on there?
16:29<Eddi|zuHause>and something else is totally wrong... my chat is full of dutch words
16:30<TrueBrain>damn, sometimes WT3 just 'hangs' :(
16:30<Alberth>the bad influence of your mouse seems to spread over the Internet !
16:31<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: have you seen the "Dutchmen: Help translating" thread?
16:31<Eddi|zuHause>no
16:32<Eddi|zuHause>i have not watched the forum lately
16:32<Yexo>TrueBrain: STR_BUILD_DEPOT_ROAD_ORIENTATION <- that one is a window title
16:32<frosch123>watch out, the thread might be opened :o
16:32<Yexo>why use the forum? We'll just take over irc :p
16:32<TrueBrain>Yexo: what ever it is, the key is inconsistant and should be fixed ;)
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16:33<TrueBrain>Yexo: I marked 4 strings which miss 'Ctrl+Click' translation
16:33<TrueBrain>can you take a look at those?
16:33<Eddi|zuHause>i hate true blood
16:33<TrueBrain>and please validate my translations :)
16:34<Eddi|zuHause>it always takes forever to download
16:34<Yexo>sure, I'll have a look
16:34<Eddi|zuHause>Yexo: the problem with devs doing translations is that it takes away dev-time ;)
16:34<TrueBrain>Yexo: "{ORANGE}Op weg naar {TOWN} Garage" <- reads a bit silly
16:34<TrueBrain>maybe: {TOWN}'s garage
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16:36<Yexo>"Ctrl+klik voor alleen onderhoud"?
16:36<TrueBrain>sounds fine
16:38<TrueBrain>pff .. so many small inconsistancies :(
16:38<TrueBrain>up to 65 :S
16:38<@Belugas>speaking of series, anyone watch the first two shows of Defying Gravity yesterday?
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16:39<TrueBrain>Belugas: any good?
16:39<@Belugas>i found it interesting and almost intriguing
16:39<TrueBrain>I read about it, dismissed it
16:39<@Belugas>i'm a sci-fie freak, take note...
16:39*TrueBrain downloads
16:39<@Belugas>you can???
16:40<TrueBrain>of course I can
16:40<@Belugas>it's not on dvd yet!
16:40<TrueBrain>Yexo: I now also notice WT3.1 would need something better for searches :p
16:40<TrueBrain>no 720p ... blegh
16:40<TrueBrain>Belugas: http://nzbmatrix.com/nzb-details.php?id=481158
16:40<TrueBrain>nobody said it was legal
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16:41<TrueBrain>Yexo: I _think_ I have all isntances of 'depot'
16:41<TrueBrain>I left 'tramdepot' and 'treindepot' for now
16:41<Eddi|zuHause>it's also in my queue now
16:41<TrueBrain>(1 word)
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16:41<Eddi|zuHause>can only be days :p
16:42<TrueBrain>I already downlaoded it ;)
16:42<Yexo>ok, then I'll go over your changes now :)
16:42<TrueBrain>Yexo: k, then I won't change anything for a moment :)
16:42<TrueBrain>Yexo: the only thing I find tricky, is capitals
16:42<TrueBrain>"Send to Hangar"
16:42<@Belugas>i can't believe it... it's brand new...
16:42<@Belugas>wowo..
16:42<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: my bandwidth is already saturated for days...
16:42<TrueBrain>will that be "Stuur naar hangar" or "Stuur naar Hangar"
16:42<@Belugas>the internet... what a big surprise!
16:43<Yexo>I'd translate it without a capital, ie "Stuur naar garage"
16:43<TrueBrain>then I made a few mistakes ;)
16:43<TrueBrain>changing that ;)
16:43<TinoDidriksen>Belugas, every new show is ripped and online within an hour of it finishing airing.
16:43<Yexo>but in case of "{TOWN}'s Garage" a capital looks better
16:43<TrueBrain>are we going to do that?
16:43<@Belugas>he ben.... well. enjoy then
16:43<Eddi|zuHause>an hour is exaggerated, but on average maybe
16:44<Yexo>'s doesn't always make sence, so we better leave that out
16:44<Eddi|zuHause>the shortest i ever witnessed was 35 minutes
16:44<Eddi|zuHause>some take half a day
16:44<Yexo>Yexo: the problem with devs doing translations is that it takes away dev-time ;) <- Fine someone providing a decent dutch translation and you won't find me translating again
16:44<Yexo>s/Fine/Find/
16:45<Eddi|zuHause>on days like lost-day, the whole internet is on fire :p
16:46*Belugas prefers to wait until the translated version comes on TV. as for Defying, it was just a matter of luck.
16:46<Yexo>{BLACK}Bouw dok (voor de bouw en onderhoud) <- isn't "voor bouw en onderhoud" (without de) better? or maybe "van schepen" at the end
16:46<TrueBrain>Yexo: well, the old was horrible
16:46<TrueBrain>and I took one that already existed :p
16:46<TrueBrain>but I agree
16:46<TrueBrain>"voor bouw en onder van schepen"
16:46<TrueBrain>will do that for all instances
16:47<@Belugas>i watched one episode of lost in english. i hated it. they were mumbling beyond understanding
16:47<Yexo>onderhoud please, not onder :p
16:47*Belugas shuts up, you're doing usefull stuff
16:48<TrueBrain>hehe
16:48<TrueBrain>Yexo: done
16:50<Yexo>"Station namen" <- maybe "Stationsnamen"?
16:50<TrueBrain>yeah
16:51<TrueBrain>"Industrie namen" ?
16:51<Yexo>no idea for that, "Industrienamen" doesn't look right
16:51<TrueBrain>not even a bit
16:52<Yexo>"Geef een lijst van alle wegvoertuigen met huidig garage in hun orders" <- that's not correct either
16:52<TrueBrain>"Stuur naar onderhoud" <- "Stuur voor onderhoud" better?
16:52<Yexo>"met de huidige garage"?
16:52<Yexo>or "met deze garage"?
16:52<Yexo>best would be "Stuur naar (depot/dok/..) voor onderhoud
16:53<Yexo>I prefer "Stuur voor onderhoud" above "Stuur naar onderhoud"
16:53<TrueBrain>"Send for Servicing" is the english
16:53<TrueBrain>so adding 'to depot' is not correct
16:54<Yexo>it's "het treindepot", not "de treindepot", right?
16:54<Eddi|zuHause>reminds me of the time when in a german channel they talked swiss-german and i asked "i must have hit a wrong button, how do i switch the channel to high german again?"
16:54<TrueBrain>Yexo: yup
16:54<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: you want to say something, just say it ;)
16:54<TrueBrain>Yexo: replaced "huidig" met "dit/deze"
16:54<Eddi|zuHause>no, i have nothing useful to say ;)
16:55<TrueBrain>oh, I thought you were commenting ;)
16:56<TrueBrain>i sometimes forget the search only searches in the category
16:56<TrueBrain>fucking annoying
16:56<Yexo>the list of "Waiting for commit strings" looks nice, no more comments about that list :)
16:56<TrueBrain>k .. then I will add a few :p
16:57<TrueBrain>"Actie van huidig vliegtuig" <- really .. wtf?
16:57<TrueBrain>"Huidige trein actie" <- sounds better, so maybe use that?
16:57<TrueBrain>Rubidium: your work of grouping stuff is very useful in translating, you should continue that :)
16:58<Yexo>TrueBrain: what's the original english string?
16:58<TrueBrain>Current ship action
16:59<Yexo>what about "Huidige actie van trein"?
17:00<TrueBrain>"{BLACK}Toon trein orders" <- really .. wtf? This is not Dutch
17:00<TrueBrain>"potjesnederlands"
17:00<TrueBrain>"Laat orders van trein zien" ? " Toon orders van trein"?
17:00<TrueBrain>"Laat treinorders zien"
17:01<TrueBrain>lets take this to a PM Yexo :p
17:01<Yexo>ok :)
17:01<TrueBrain>(as LadyHawk and Alberth stopped contributing :p)
17:01<LadyHawk>toon?
17:01<LadyHawk>the full dutch verb is 'aantonen'
17:02<Yexo>that's another verb
17:02<LadyHawk>is it?
17:02<Yexo>"tonen" is a full dutch verb
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17:03<LadyHawk>that's perfect dutch then.. just looks a bit weird in a menu like that
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17:03<Yexo>I think it's a tooltip
17:03<TrueBrain>yup
17:03<DaleStan>planetmaker: Are install targets traditionally prereq-free?
17:04<planetmaker>good question. I'd make it depend on what needs installing, though :-)
17:06<DaleStan>The patch you gave me has no prereqs. I didn't notice that until just now, when I tried to "make remake install" and remake errorred. But install still attempted to install.
17:06<planetmaker>gcc doesn't seem to have pre-requisites
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17:09<planetmaker>DaleStan: I actually wonder why I pasted it without pre-requisite. In all my newgrf makefiles I have it depend on the grf...
17:09<planetmaker>so... depending it on the binary seems sensible
17:11<planetmaker>openttd makes it also depend upon successful bundle creation.
17:14<@Belugas>night all
17:14<planetmaker>night Belugas
17:17<planetmaker>DaleStan: when you add a pre-requisite, you could at the same time declare it phoney:
17:17<planetmaker>.PHONY: clean all bundle bundle_tar bundle_zip bundle_bzip install release release_zip remake test
17:18<planetmaker>(that's my targets, not necessarily grfcodec's)
17:22<planetmaker>DaleStan: a reason to NOT make it dependent is, though: "make install" is usually called as root. And you don't want root to write in your build dir files you cannot delete
17:24<DaleStan>AIUI, ownership by root doesn't prevent deletion by others.
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17:25<planetmaker>usually only the owner has write permission... at least on the systems I use. Of course there's always sudo and chown
17:25<TrueBrain>STR_DEPOT_TRAIN_LIST_TOOLTIP vs STR_DEPOT_ROAD_LIST_TOOLTIP
17:25<TrueBrain>inconsistant in english
17:25<DaleStan>I thought delete was a write operation on the containing directory, not the file.
17:27<planetmaker>hm...
17:29<Jhs>Rubidium, hoi :)
17:29<planetmaker>you're right
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17:32<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r17059 /trunk/src/ (48 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Rename a few strings to reflect their usage
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17:39<Eddi|zuHause>what do i do now with a HD that lies outside of the computer and i can't get empty?
17:41<@Rubidium>hi Jhs
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17:43<planetmaker>good night folks
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17:50<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: i'm afraid he did not even get that message ;)
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17:58<Yexo>good night
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18:00<TrueBrain>Yexo and I just corrected 195 dutch sentences ...
18:00<TrueBrain>s
18:00<TrueBrain>:s
18:01<TrueBrain>@calc 3267 / 195
18:01<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 16.7538461538
18:01<TrueBrain>@calc 195 / 3267 * 100
18:01<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 5.96877869605
18:01<TrueBrain>6% :s
18:02<TrueBrain>night all
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18:08<Eddi|zuHause>sounds like a cat... "miau. look, i just caught a mouse."
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20:32<adam_vollrath>Is it possible to change max_trains while a server is running?
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21:01<Aali>adam_vollrath: of course
21:02<adam_vollrath>I got it fingered out, thx
21:03<Aali>fingered out?
21:03<Aali>that sounds naughty :/
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