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---Logopened Tue Aug 11 00:00:49 2009
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03:35<dihedral>morning
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04:03<fjb>Hello
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04:11<planetmaker>morning
04:11<@Rubidium>hi pm in the am :)
04:11<planetmaker>haha :-)
04:12<planetmaker>I have to say... an OpenTTD with only Open?FX content is nice :-)
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05:23<Noldo>planetmaker: there are some sounds already?
05:23<planetmaker>there are.
05:23<planetmaker>everything which Rubi gathered.
05:23<@Rubidium>only 42%
05:24<planetmaker>but I heard the rumour that Noldo wants to gather or compose the remaining 58% :-)
05:25<Noldo>don't belive everything you make up :)
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05:29<dihedral>pm, Rubidium: the orudge set of sounds?
05:30<Noldo>Sawmill sound, hmm
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05:56<TrueBrain>#I say hello!
05:57<@Rubidium>#hello hello
05:57<@Rubidium>or did you expect:
05:57<@Rubidium>#I say high, you say low
05:59<planetmaker>#hell low is quite high?
06:02*Rubidium likes google maps' way of driving by car
06:02<TrueBrain>you guys are WEIRD
06:03<TrueBrain>I don't like those weirdoes who drive the car for google maps (the 3d thingy)
06:03<TrueBrain>they drive ... very rude
06:03<planetmaker>it's good to be not alone in that state of mind :-P
06:03<@Rubidium>Kayak across the Pacific Ocean <- how do I do that with a car?
06:03<TrueBrain>using a boat
06:03<TrueBrain>you know those things? :p
06:04<@Rubidium>but a boat isn't a kayak
06:04<TrueBrain>a very big kayak
06:07<@Rubidium>walking from Sydney NS to Sydney NSW only takes 224 days
06:07<TrueBrain>non-stop!
06:08<@Rubidium>going via Belugas only takes a slight 30 hours more
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06:11<TrueBrain>a few days ago I calculated the distances to all my roommates (From and to them)
06:11<TrueBrain>walking to one took just a few days :p
06:11<TrueBrain>somehow nobody felt like joining me :(
06:11<@Rubidium>oh, the route goes past Tokyo's Imperial Palace :)
06:12<@Rubidium>and going past the old one in Kyoto only takes 2 hours extra
06:14<TrueBrain>hmm .. when I resume my emu, the colours are lost
06:14<@Rubidium>going past Himeji castle and Hiroshima's Atomic Bomb Dome costs no extra time at all :)
06:14<TrueBrain>bad! :p
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06:16*Rubidium wonders why the route also goes through Nagasaki
06:16<TrueBrain>I think you should go work by Google :p
06:18<@Rubidium>I think I shouldn't
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07:28<LordAzamath>in desert for city growth, does it matter how much food & water is delivered or it just checks if they are delivered to a town?
07:31<planetmaker>no
07:31<LordAzamath>which one then
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07:39<planetmaker>doesn't matter
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08:08<planetmaker>!rcon set allow_towns_road 0
08:09<planetmaker>!rcon set allow_towns_road
08:09<planetmaker>!rcon set allow_town_road
08:09<TrueBrain>@kick planetmaker wrong channel
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08:09<LordAzamath>planetmaker
08:09<TrueBrain>glx: fix your script :p
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08:09<LordAzamath>:P
08:09<planetmaker>you're slow, TrueBrain ;-)
08:09<TrueBrain>planetmaker: no, glx is broken :)
08:09<planetmaker>as am I :-P
08:09<TrueBrain>@kick planetmaker preventive kick?
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08:10<TrueBrain>next time I was VERY fast :p
08:10<TrueBrain>(hihi, bad joke, sorry :))
08:10<+glx>fixed
08:11<planetmaker>:-) Now rcon is also in the list? :-)
08:11<@Rubidium>planetmaker: try it!
08:11<planetmaker>:-D
08:11<planetmaker>!rcon kick 32
08:11-!-planetmaker was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.]
08:12<@DorpsGek>!rcon
08:12<TrueBrain>hihi :p
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08:12<planetmaker>:-P
08:12<pavel1269>!hello
08:12<pavel1269>:-)
08:12<TrueBrain>@kban pavel1269 60 we kick you too, no worries
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08:12-!-pavel1269 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [we kick you too, no worries]
08:13<+glx>[14:12:05] <DorpsGek> Error: I cowardly refuse to kick myself. <-- lol
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08:14<pavel1269>soso unfair
08:14<pavel1269>:-)
08:16<TrueBrain>free kicks for everyone!
08:18<LordAzamath>did I hear FREEE? I want some too
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08:35<dihedral>:-P
08:35<dihedral>hihi
08:36<Akoz>:o
08:39<planetmaker>somehow that reminds me of petert. He was so nice to use @kbanme without time limitation in our channel :-P
08:40<TrueBrain>when? :)
08:40<planetmaker>oh what did the whining start right then when he realized what he did.
08:40<planetmaker>a few weeks back
08:40<TrueBrain>I missed that? :'(
08:40<KenjiE20>http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/quotes/index.php?q=10
08:40<planetmaker>dunno exactly anymore. Are you in #openttdcoop?
08:41<planetmaker>he, right. The quotes :-D
08:41<TrueBrain>no ... :'(
08:41<@Rubidium>oh, @kickme and @kickban me sounds like a good feature
08:41<KenjiE20>"load Suicicde" :P
08:41<planetmaker>very good ones, yes
08:42<TrueBrain>I wonder if DorpsGek knows them :p
08:42<KenjiE20>-c
08:42<planetmaker>TrueBrain: it could. It's the same bot type
08:42<TrueBrain>yeah, but they have to be installed ..
08:42<TrueBrain>and it is not
08:42<KenjiE20>hmm, must be in that 2006 plugin zip
08:45<Eddi|zuHause>hey, that reminds me of the suicide boxes in futurama ;)
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08:53<TrueBrain>the downside of a JIT is that your backtrace is USELESSSSSssss
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10:12<planetmaker>Rubidium: the mime type for logs is now adjusted and it should work as desired.
10:13<Xaroth>TrueBrain: the EA support page even has an entry called Dune under franchise
10:15<@Rubidium>planetmaker: are you sure you haven't set it to text/html?
10:15<planetmaker>last time I checked: yes. But there's some weired statistics script running... that does *something*
10:15<Xaroth>didn't get a chance to chat with teh bossman, jetlag.. but we'll chat tomorrow
10:16<TrueBrain>:)
10:16<Xaroth>oooOOOoo
10:16<Xaroth>i can make a ticket under Dune/Dune II
10:16<@Rubidium>planetmaker: because my browser says it's text/html
10:17<Xaroth>hah
10:18<TrueBrain>never played Dune3 ...
10:18<Xaroth>Platform: PC ; Game: Dune/Dune II ; Category: Technical, the note below
10:18<Xaroth>Please be sure to attach your computer's DirectX Diagnostic information to this request; this information contains details on your hardware that will allow us to diagnose your issue.
10:18<Xaroth>TrueBrain: that's because there was none
10:18<planetmaker>Rubidium: true. thx, I'll investigate
10:18<TrueBrain>http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Reviews/Dune/Images/Dune-Game-Emperor-PC.jpg
10:18<Xaroth>that's Emperor: Battle for Dune
10:18<Xaroth>if counting, that'd be Dune 4.
10:19<Xaroth>Dune 2000 would have been #3
10:19<TrueBrain>Xaroth: no, it is the 3rd of the Dune2 series
10:19<TrueBrain>Dune2 is the first ;)
10:19<Xaroth>er
10:19<Xaroth>Dune series :/
10:19<TrueBrain>Dune1 is nothing like Dune2 :)
10:19<Xaroth>duh
10:19<Xaroth>Dune 1 is to Dune 2 like what WoW is to WC3
10:19<TrueBrain>LOL! A very ... weird comparison
10:20<TrueBrain>"It is the third real-time strategy game set in the Dune universe"
10:20<Xaroth>and tbh, I prefer Dune 1 over wow.
10:20<Xaroth>yeh, third RTS
10:20<Xaroth>D1 was a turn based puzzle
10:20<TrueBrain>either way, never played it, didn't even knew it existed
10:20<Xaroth>dune 1?
10:20<Xaroth>or emperor
10:21<TrueBrain>try to keep up will you
10:21<Xaroth>Emperor just had 6 sides to pick from
10:21<OwenS>I remember Emperor being advertised quite heavily in C&C: RA and C&C95 IIRC
10:21<Xaroth>Ordos, Harkonen, Atreides, Fremen, Tleilaxu and something
10:22<TrueBrain>I guess I wasn't interested in those games back then :p
10:22<TrueBrain>hehe
10:22<Xaroth>I think it was Ix
10:22<TrueBrain>did play all C&Cs ..
10:22<Xaroth>I played too many games
10:22<TrueBrain>well, not the latest C&C, but it sucks
10:22<TrueBrain>what is it called ... Generals?
10:22<TrueBrain>what ever
10:23<OwenS>Generals is old
10:23<Xaroth>TrueBrain: There's an option to ask policy-related questions about dune on the EA customer support site
10:23<blathijs>TrueBrain: That's not the latest (but it does suck)
10:23<OwenS>RA3 and C&C3 have come out since :p
10:23*Xaroth gives it a roll
10:23<blathijs>it seems the latest (RA3 and C&C3) are ok again
10:23<Xaroth>I still prefer RA2/Tiberian Sun and the earlier
10:23<blathijs>Yeah, those were really good
10:23<TrueBrain>I liked C&C Renegade :)
10:23<OwenS>RA3 has taken RA2's sillyness and turned it up to 11
10:24<OwenS>Renegade is good :)
10:24<OwenS>Best RTS ever was Total Annihilation though IMO :p
10:24<TrueBrain>C&C3 I played on the xbox I think
10:24<Xaroth>TA rocked
10:24<TrueBrain>gave it a big remove after 10 minutes
10:24<Xaroth>but it wouldn't beat Dune 2 if D2 had multiplayer :p
10:24<blathijs>Though it's funny to play the original C&C again and see how they could create a soldier from 7 pixels or something
10:24<TrueBrain>NOTHING beats Dune2 :p
10:24<Xaroth> < TrueBrain> NOTHING beats Dune2 :p << exactly.
10:25<OwenS>Nah it would. Nothing beats throwing hordes of units at each other like you can in TA :p
10:25<blathijs>Though Dune2 could use some control improvements :-p
10:25<Xaroth>who cares, it's Dune 2!
10:25<TrueBrain>it could use a lots of improvements :p
10:25<OwenS>TA actually involves strategy, unlike pretty much the entirety of the RT"S" genre :p
10:25<TrueBrain>nowedays RTSes are more the same
10:25<TrueBrain>there is nothing new ....
10:25<Xaroth>strategy?!?
10:25<Xaroth>TA was just about a big e-peen contest
10:25<Xaroth>with big guns, and who could make most of em
10:25<TrueBrain>just better gfx, and harder-to-get-right-camera-points-shit
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10:25*Rubidium beats NOTHING
10:26<OwenS>Xaroth: Not really. Our games involved lots of strategic thinking :p
10:26<Xaroth>OwenS: yer doing it wrong.
10:26<Xaroth>Rubidium: not even the monkey?
10:27<OwenS>Xaroth: If TA became a "who can spam most units" contest... you or your oponents sucked :p
10:27<TrueBrain>either way, Xaroth, today I finished resuming and stats collecting .. now I need to make something that analyzes the stats and produces static binaries :p
10:27<Xaroth>heh
10:27<OwenS>Oh great... Faithcats making that horrible noise
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10:28<OwenS>The one that generally precedes cleaning up a furball from the carpet
10:34<TrueBrain>it always triggers a reflex by me to pick up the cat and throw him outside
10:34<TrueBrain>works like a charm
10:39<Xaroth>That's why i have a bird :P
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10:40<planetmaker>Rubidium: better now?
10:43<@Rubidium>planetmaker: perfect
10:43<planetmaker>:-)
10:43<@Rubidium>thanks
10:43<planetmaker>yw. Say thanks also to Ammler and FooBar :-)
10:43<@Rubidium>thanks Ammler & FooBar :D
10:44<planetmaker>:-)
10:44<planetmaker>hehe
10:44<@Rubidium>how can I upload the release? Or do you have to do that?
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10:45<dihedral>fucking piece of Zend Framework!
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10:45<dihedral>giving me a 500 in apache with it's silly rewrite rules
10:46<dihedral>and i have no clues why on earth it is all of a sudden doing silly stuff
10:46<planetmaker>adding it to bundles.openttdcoop.org/opensfx works only with full ssh access - as it is supposed to be the output of the CF ... adding it to the files of a project is available to any project manager.
10:46<dihedral>the rewrite log only shows me THAT it is doing silly stuff
10:47<planetmaker>you see... our CF isn't perfect either :-P
10:53<planetmaker>Rubidium: shall I upload a built of the tag'ed version?
10:55<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r17153 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r11429): don't allow further remapping of already remapped string
10:57<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r17154 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r11129): several times copypasted typo
10:59<Ammler>our CF isn't perfect :-o
10:59<Ammler>:'-(
10:59<Ammler>lol
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11:02*planetmaker hugs Ammler
11:02<planetmaker>now now
11:02<planetmaker>we always need something which we can improve on, hm? Would get boring otherwise...
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11:04<Ammler>we have a bit chaos with all the differen unix users symlinked to each other :-)
11:04<@petern>i find "question, hmm?" phrasing really annoying, myself
11:05<planetmaker>anything particular which you try to point at, petern ?
11:05<@petern>no, just a random remark
11:06<@petern>there was an idiot^W^W a guy on the forums who used that manner recently
11:06<planetmaker>hehe
11:06<@petern>when used in a "i know better you" way
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11:15<TrueBrain>I am bored
11:15<@petern>you are truebrain
11:15<TrueBrain>very good
11:15<TrueBrain>the intelligence of that comment amazes me
11:16<Eddi|zuHause>better than if you were borat...
11:16<TrueBrain>NOT!
11:16<Eddi|zuHause>:)
11:17<Eddi|zuHause>hm... i have problems getting the images displayed on the forums...
11:17<TrueBrain>disable your image-filter :p
11:18<@petern>then you'll see the adverts too
11:19<Eddi|zuHause>i see the advert, but not most of the other images
11:19<Eddi|zuHause>like all the icons or the background
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11:21<TrueBrain>lol! Poor 'Lord Aro' :p
11:21<TrueBrain>not the smartest person on the forums :p
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11:22<planetmaker>he :-P
11:22<planetmaker>well. I don't think he's stupid. Not yet at least.
11:22<planetmaker>Much to learn he has, though
11:22<TrueBrain>I never said stupid :)
11:23<SmatZ>hehe
11:23<TrueBrain>just not the smartest :)
11:23<Eddi|zuHause>www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Bildschirmphoto11.png <- that's what the forum looks like to me
11:23<TrueBrain>looks pretty
11:23<SmatZ>bad to be you
11:24<SmatZ>works in my Konqueror (3.5.10)
11:24<TrueBrain>time for Snipes at Z9 :p
11:24<SmatZ>:)
11:26<TrueBrain>okay, M7 :p
11:27<SmatZ>;)
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11:33<Eddi|zuHause>it worked in my konqueror 3.5, too...
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11:38<Ammler>Eddi|zuHause: I had a similar issue with FF some time ago.
11:38<Ammler>the issue was with tt-forums only
11:39<Ammler>it worked again, as I "reseted" the profile
11:41*TrueBrain murmles something about: run virus, run!
11:42<SmatZ>with linux?
11:42<@petern>reseted?
11:42<Ammler>:-) sorry
11:43<Ammler>basically a new profile
11:43<Ammler>I shared the profile with windows and linux and the issue was on both
11:44<SmatZ>I am surprised it's possible
11:44<Ammler>Eddi|zuHause: try with an other user.
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11:44*TrueBrain gives Eddi|zuHause a random other user
11:45*SmatZ gives Eddi|zuHause sudo adduser
11:45<Ammler>kde as root is fun :-)
11:48<TrueBrain>weirdo
11:49<thingwath>hm, does someone here use KDE 4.3, compositing kwin, intel 945 and openttd?
11:49<planetmaker>hm... does current kde still have the "bombing" background when loged in as root?
11:49<SmatZ>depends on distro I guess
11:49<planetmaker>that might indeed well be.
11:50<@Rubidium>have they still not accepted ln's patch to disallow X to be started as root?
11:50<@Rubidium>or KDE for that matter?
11:50<planetmaker>I just find the red default KDE root background unbearable :-P (which comes with suse)
11:50<SmatZ>hehehe
11:50<TrueBrain>planetmaker: that might be the idea
11:50<TrueBrain>a hint like: DO NOT USE IT :p
11:50<planetmaker>TrueBrain: sure, I bet, too
11:50<TrueBrain>(I love taking things serious :))
11:51<planetmaker>the bombs painted on it, already lit, certainly help that impression :-P
11:51<TrueBrain>;)
11:51<TrueBrain>poor forum user doesn't like me
11:51<TrueBrain>boo-hoo, and I did so my best!
11:51*planetmaker hugs TrueBrain
11:51<TrueBrain>people just don't want to be loved in the way I only can give them love!
11:51<planetmaker>c'mon, c'mon. There are others who like you... pooor TB...
11:51<TrueBrain>hihi
11:52<TrueBrain>thingwath: were you just wondering so you could check it off your list, or was there a more in-depth question related to it?
11:52<SmatZ>not all are masochists
11:52<TrueBrain>lol @ SmatZ
11:53<TrueBrain>I really pictured thingwath with a big list next to his computer, with all those weird combination of software/hardware he has to find on the web :p
11:53<SmatZ>heheheeh
11:57<thingwath>well, yes, if there were some other people, it could mean that it might be possible to make it work reasonably fast and fluently :)
11:57<planetmaker>lool. I got an offer to use a "Abwrackprämie" also for excimer lasers...
11:57<TrueBrain>it doesn't?
11:57<thingwath>sort of
11:58<thingwath>when scrolling, picture falls apart into blocks and it doesn't redraw fast enough
11:58<TrueBrain>using 8bpp-optimized?
11:58<planetmaker>should be an x driver issue
11:59<TrueBrain>sounds more like a SDL issue :p
11:59<TrueBrain>haven't seen that block problem in months :p
11:59<@petern>or allegro...
12:00<@petern>oh, compositing
12:00<@petern>could be anything ;p
12:00<thingwath>of course :)
12:00<thingwath>ltris has same problem, for example
12:00<@petern>is it still broken with compositing off?
12:00<thingwath>but without compositing, whole KDE is very sluggish, so I don't want to turn it off :)
12:01<@petern>yes, but IS IT
12:01<thingwath>'broken'?
12:01<@petern>16:58 < thingwath> when scrolling, picture falls apart into blocks and it doesn't redraw fast enough
12:02<thingwath>no, it's ok, without compositing
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12:05<thingwath>on the other hand, it is also ok with xmonad & xcompmgr compositing, so I think it might be possible to fix, somehow, with current xorg and drm driver :)
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12:07<@petern>so your compositor is shit
12:07<@petern>i don't use such crap personally
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12:08<Ammler>thingwath: it works here with that config
12:09<thingwath>then I'm doing something wrong, I guess
12:09<@petern>np: VNV Nation - Schweigeminute
12:10<@petern>lovely melodies in this
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12:25<OwenS>Random fact: URLs are valid C++/C99 :p
12:31<CIA-1>OpenTTD: truebrain * r17155 /extra/website/bananas/views.py: [Website] -Fix: close files when you are done with them
12:32<@Rubidium>OwenS: valid in what sense?
12:33<OwenS>Rubidium: It compiles :p
12:33<OwenS>http://www.example.com defines a label "http", then starts a comment :p
12:33<TrueBrain>:(
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12:34*OwenS codes up for loop support (I committed if support last night)
12:41<OwenS>I have a feeling people won't initially understand the generated code's structure
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12:43<@Rubidium>OwenS: new://www.example.com isn't allowed :(
12:43<OwenS>lol
12:44<OwenS>It's valid C :P
12:44<@Rubidium>goto://www.example.com isn't allowed either :(
12:47<OwenS>Hmm.. What protocols can we come up with that conflict with C(++) keywords? :P
12:48<@Rubidium>mailto URLs :)
12:48<@Rubidium>A mailto URL takes the form:
12:48<@Rubidium>mailto:<rfc822-addr-spec>
12:48<@Rubidium>(as per rfc1738)
12:48<@Rubidium>it doesn't start a comment
12:48<OwenS>That doesn't conflict with a keyword though :p
12:49<@Rubidium>error: stray ‘@’ in program
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12:53<z-MaTRiX>hey-ho
12:53<SmatZ>hello z-MaTRiX
12:54<z-MaTRiX>how's life?
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12:56<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: maybe you want to build something around this for an ioccc entry...
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12:57<SmatZ>good :)
12:57<OwenS>Someone needs to make an IOC++C
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13:09<xmakina>TrueBrain: NoAI project site has been down for a while - any idea/reason why?
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13:31<Wolf01>hello :D
13:32<Xaroth>hello mr-random-link
13:34<Wolf01>what do you do when you are looking for something and you can't find it?
13:34<TrueBrain>lovely .. the 'I am so good' Apache fucks up more often than lighttpd and nginx
13:35*Wolf01 wants a search function in RL too :(
13:35*TrueBrain gives Wolf01 a RL search function
13:36<Wolf01>mmmh, where is it? I can't find it
13:36<TrueBrain>search for it!
13:36<TrueBrain>DAH!
13:36<Wolf01>doh!
13:36<@Rubidium>it's there where you won't find it without using it
13:37<Wolf01>recursive eh
13:37<TrueBrain>hehe, I kind of like Lord Aro :p
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13:41<TrueBrain>wb LaSeandre
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13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r17156 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt finnish.txt indonesian.txt unfinished/malay.txt):
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: dutch - 290 changes by miloiw
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: finnish - 38 changes by jpx_
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: indonesian - 11 changes by fanioz, prof
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: malay - 5 changes by rionix88
13:45<TrueBrain>miloiw is doing a nice job ...
13:46<@Rubidium>though.. Jetvliegtuig?
13:46<TrueBrain>not perfect job
13:46<TrueBrain>nice job :p
13:46<TrueBrain>I think nobody can do a perfect job in translating
13:47<@petern>i can
13:47<@Rubidium>too bad he doesn't the translations :(
13:47<@petern>i can translate it perfectly to english
13:47<TrueBrain>Rubidium: but at least he introduces a lot more consistancy :)
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13:50<frosch123>"can" is worthless without "do"
13:50<TrueBrain>hehe
13:53<@petern>"can" is worthless without "can opener"
13:53<TrueBrain>can can opener?
13:53<TrueBrain>and you claim to be perfect with english?
13:53<TrueBrain>you suck!
13:54*Prof_Frink does the can can
13:55<Prof_Frink>petern: Ring pull.
13:55<@petern>that is a "can opener" in that case
13:55<blathijs>Prof_Frink: Isn't the ring a can opener then?
13:56<blathijs>heh :-)
13:56<@petern>and if the can contains beer, then that is heresy
13:56<Prof_Frink>Then you need a bottle opener.
13:56<blathijs>To open a can of beer?
13:57<Prof_Frink>Cans of beer are good when wild camping. Much lighter than bottles.
13:57<Prof_Frink>blathijs: No, top
13:57<blathijs>petern: You always open your beer cans with a can opener of the non-ring type?
13:57<blathijs>A top of beer?
13:57<Prof_Frink>blathijs: No, to give the can back and open a bottle of beer.
13:57<@Rubidium>a can isn't worthless without "can opener"; you can use it as building brick!
13:57<Prof_Frink>Or it could be open already!
13:57<SpComb>or throw it at bears
13:58<@petern>SpComb, stupid
13:59<SpComb>20:58:44 < tefaj> Stupid questions get stupid answers.
14:07<OwenS>Yay! For loops work!
14:07<TrueBrain>concratz
14:08<OwenS>Of course, currently long for loops generate stacks of text because I checkpoint on each function entry :p
14:13<TrueBrain>on advise of Xaroth, switched noai to mongrel
14:13<TrueBrain>we will see if that runs better/longer
14:21<xmakina>TrueBrain: noai docs is down :S
14:21*xmakina spoke too soon
14:21<TrueBrain>xmakina: yeah, sorry, I made a configuration glitch :)
14:21<xmakina>no worries
14:21<TrueBrain>and I forget every time to test the configuration before publishing it :p
14:21<xmakina>lol
14:22*OwenS wonders why people say writing recursive descent parsers is so hard. Admittedly the binary operators require some... lateral thinking... but the rest is quite easy
14:22<OwenS>(Or perhaps my grammar is just nice :P )
14:22<TrueBrain>OwenS: it is easy
14:22<TrueBrain>I wouldn't know who says it isn't
14:23<TrueBrain>writing a compiler in general is dead easy
14:23<TrueBrain>just .. a different way of thinking
14:23<@petern>descent... now that was a game...
14:23<TrueBrain>making the VM or JIT, that is another story :)
14:23<OwenS>Well... Using LLVM elimitates that bit mostly :p
14:23<TrueBrain>yup :p
14:23<TrueBrain>NAIL produces very fast a complete AST
14:23<TrueBrain>was the easy part :p
14:23<OwenS>libJIT would probably also work and be more lightweight
14:24<TrueBrain>yippie, the proxy seems to do what it should do :)
14:27<TrueBrain>anyone here with a worth-writing-about knowledge of LDAP? :p
14:28<xmakina>probably a dumb question but why is "Many Random Industries" unbuildable in the scenario editor?
14:29<TrueBrain>because you forgot to create the first town?
14:29<xmakina>no - map has plenty of towns
14:30<TrueBrain>blathijs: did you? :)
14:30<Alberth>TrueBrain: you happen to have a type deduction system for expressions with poly-morphism and over-loading that can also handle parse ambiguities lying around?
14:31<TrueBrain>Alberth: no, sorry, I ran all out of them :p
14:31<Alberth>bummer
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14:44<OwenS>lol. I have a type system, which has 4 possible deductions: Expression is a none, pretty much nothing legal; Expression is an Integer, allow integer ops & implicit float cast; Expression is a float, allow float ops; Expression is something else; allow everything but may abort at runtime :p
14:46<OwenS>Yes it can handle ambigutities... but it handles them as variants and as such they share a variant's cost :p
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14:53<Alberth>Parse ambiguities are much more fun. You have a node in the AST that says "here you can have this sub-tree or that sub-tree, please find out which one is valid"
14:54<Eddi|zuHause>so? you just postpone that until the semantical analysis...
14:56<Eddi|zuHause>C(++) is full of these things ;)
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15:08<blathijs>TrueBrain: Are you inviting me to write an LDAP howto, or what?
15:09<TrueBrain>yup :p
15:09<TrueBrain>I remembered you gave me an url a while back
15:09<TrueBrain>forgot about that :p
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15:11<xmakina>TrueBrain: Might be useful http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LDAP-HOWTO/
15:11<blathijs>TrueBrain: git.stderr.nl/gitweb
15:11<xmakina>i've tinkered with ldap before - hated every second of it :P
15:11<TrueBrain>blathijs: yeah, as I said, I remembered ;)
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15:12<blathijs>Ah, I thought you forgot the url :-p
15:12<blathijs>I am still planning to blog about my LDAP setup, but I haven't got around to it yet...
15:14<TrueBrain>as LDAP is just a store device, I wonder if I can get all sites to work with the same password ..
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15:17<blathijs>TrueBrain: Probably. Using httpd auth should be easy, and most existing webapps have an LDAP auth module or plugin
15:17<TrueBrain>do they share a common password field?
15:19<blathijs>Yeah, passwords are pretty much standardized in the posixAccount object class
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15:20<blathijs>Or rather, authentication can be handled by the LDAP server as well, so the client just tries to "bind" to the LDAP server using a login/password
15:20<TrueBrain>good :)
15:20<blathijs>Authorization (or group memberships) are slightly more involved, but not much
15:21<blathijs>TrueBrain: Perhaps you should write down what you want to do with LDAP exactly?
15:21<TrueBrain>easy: centralize authentication for openttd.org
15:21<TrueBrain>so users signup once, and can access all websites
15:22<blathijs>Mainly regarding the authorization, do you want a group for each service, or one "Devs" group that enables users to do stuff, etc.
15:22<TrueBrain>well .. most likely they have to signup on things like flyspray anyway, but then they share the password :p
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15:22<TrueBrain>well, a devs group will be useful in regards to ssh access
15:22<blathijs>So no real authorization for most services (just having an account is enough for access)
15:25<TrueBrain>blathijs: yeah
15:25<TrueBrain>I got to go now for a while .. I will check on it next week or so
15:25<Alberth>TrueBrain: bye
15:25<xmakina>later
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15:26<TrueBrain>I will bug you later if you don't mind blathijs :) Tnx anyway :)
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15:28<blathijs>TrueBrain: Sure, feel free
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15:36<Eddi|zuHause>hm... i still have a rogue hard disk lying next to my computer...
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15:44<Wolf01>bye
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16:03<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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16:10<@petern>http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/facebook-fired.jpg
16:10<@petern>(probably old)
16:14<+glx>ln posted something similar 2/3 days ago :)
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16:23<_ln>old, older, pasted-by-ln-already
16:24<TrueBrain>why do sites never do what they claim to do :(
16:24<_ln>well you shouldn't believe all those enlargement spams.
16:25<@Rubidium>why do webserver never do what they claim to do?
16:25<TrueBrain>that too .. that too ...
16:25<TrueBrain>but we are getting tehre Rubidium :)
16:25<TrueBrain>piece by piece ...
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16:26<TrueBrain>nothing on tv
16:26<TrueBrain>no good new movie releases
16:26<TrueBrain>no tv series
16:26<TrueBrain>sucks!
16:27<@Rubidium>and if there are recent movie releases the quality is CRAP
16:27<@Rubidium>either of the movie or of the capturing thereof
16:27<TrueBrain>sorry, with 'release' I meant 720p releases
16:27<@Rubidium>tss... pauperkwaliteit ;)
16:27<TrueBrain>hahaha :)
16:27<TrueBrain>I don't have a 1080i TV :p
16:28<@Rubidium>neither do I
16:28<OwenS>I don't know what my TV's panel is... but it takes in 1080p feeds =/
16:28<@Rubidium>but I dislike the bilinear scaling on my laptop
16:29<frosch123>true, bicubic is a lot better
16:29<frosch123>:p
16:29<TrueBrain>OwenS: mine does too, but it scales back to 720p, so a waste ofmy bandwidth .. rather: diskspace :p
16:29<TrueBrain>Rubidium: didn't you have spelling correction commit to do?
16:29<@Rubidium>still, bicubic is worse than having a (near) native resolution in the movie
16:30<OwenS>Rubidium: Depends how the movie was originally scaled :p
16:30<OwenS>TrueBrain: True; though a 1080p of the same file size as a 720p will look better :p
16:31<@Rubidium>OwenS: anything that's not originally shot at Super HiVision quality just plain sucks ;)
16:31<TrueBrain>how big is yours?
16:31<@Rubidium>15.4"
16:31<TrueBrain>http://media.ongein.nl/ONGEIN.NL_10457?source=2009/00036587.jpg <- somehow I don't consider this funny
16:32<OwenS>TV? 37" and I think 1280x768; Monitor: 19" 1280x1024; The TV's scaling alogorithm is such I can't tell 1080p and 720p output from the PS3 apart =/
16:32<TrueBrain>sure, I was talking about screens
16:32<OwenS>Rubidium: Super HiVision?
16:32<@Rubidium>OwenS: never seen that?
16:33<OwenS>Aah that
16:33<@Rubidium>or have I typed it incorrectly?
16:33<OwenS>Meh; I take your Super Hi-Vision and raise the quality higher, to about 100,000p24 - 70mm film :p
16:33<Xaroth>[TrueBrain]: on advise of Xaroth, switched noai to mongrel << my advise?!?!?
16:33<Xaroth>i just informed you that apache passenger is a pile of wank :P
16:33<@Rubidium>does it have 22.2 sound?
16:34<TrueBrain>he, I give you credit, you don't want it? Sure, i don't care :p
16:34<OwenS>Rubidium: No reason it can't
16:34<Xaroth>heh, if it runs nice, i'll take the credit, else.. :P
16:34<TrueBrain>so far it runs nice :p
16:34<TrueBrain>bypasses Apache
16:34<TrueBrain>so it has to :p
16:35<TrueBrain>and it has 3 instances which need to crash :p
16:35<OwenS>Rubidium: 70mm film just contains a timecode that syncs to external audio; most of the time this is 5.1 DTS Cinema though IIRC
16:35<TrueBrain>too bad it consumes 100 MiB of RAM :(
16:35<TrueBrain>and I already lost 1 instance .. lol
16:35<OwenS>Actually no I think it's 7.1 DTS Cinema now
16:36<Xaroth>TrueBrain: make sure to edit the mongrel_cluster init.d script
16:36<TrueBrain>in what? :p
16:36<Xaroth>the 'default' one just looks for a pid file and aborts if there is one
16:37<Xaroth>so if the OS crashes, it won't automatically restart on reboot
16:37<TrueBrain>the debian-one doesn't appear to do that
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16:37<Xaroth>ah, good
16:38<TrueBrain>changed it to running just 1 instance ..
16:38<TrueBrain>using 300 MiB of RAM for NoAI is a tiny bit over the top
16:38<TrueBrain>why does it have to consumes so much memory :(
16:38<TrueBrain>where is the time things were memroy efficient?
16:38<Xaroth>because it's ruby on rails :P
16:38<TrueBrain>bloatware :(
16:38<Xaroth>yep
16:38<TrueBrain>I really really REALLY don't get that shit :(
16:38<@Rubidium>there're a few things that seem fairly memory stable
16:39<TrueBrain>what has it stored? The compelte english dictonary in triple?
16:40<OwenS>TrueBrain: That, and a German and Japanese one, and a translation dictionary between them :p
16:40<@Rubidium>guess so :(
16:40<TrueBrain>OwenS: we (read: you) should write a script that is better than Python and Ruby (memory and speed-wise)
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16:40<OwenS>TrueBrain: I'll try and make AlterScript that :p
16:40<@Rubidium>and better than squirrel size/code style wise
16:41<TrueBrain>really, that should be possible ... to not comsume such a large amount of memory for such a relative simple website?
16:41<Xaroth>TrueBrain: quick easy command to check mem usage?
16:41<TrueBrain>top
16:41<TrueBrain>ps aux
16:41<TrueBrain>free
16:41<OwenS>Rubidium: How does the sample at http://gitorious.org/alterscript look? :p
16:41<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: a german dictionary that contains all possible concatenations ;)
16:41<Xaroth>ps shows 5% on this rig
16:41<TrueBrain>Xaroth: % means nothing .......
16:41<Xaroth>5.9%
16:41<TrueBrain>my disk is 90% empty
16:41<TrueBrain>well .. yeah .. if it is 100 MiB disk, that is good for you
16:42<TrueBrain>if it is a 100 TiB disk, that is still a lot in use
16:42<Xaroth>Mem: 775148k total, 583628k used, 191520k free, 222436k buffers
16:42<TrueBrain>there, 600M used
16:42<@Rubidium>OwenS: LLVM means it is *big*
16:42<TrueBrain>(Well, depends on your cache to give any sane value :p)
16:42<TrueBrain>Xaroth: ps aux | grep mongrel
16:42<OwenS>Rubidium: I'm gonna add a libjit backend as well I think
16:42<planetmaker>behold. OpenGFX 0.1.0-alpha6 is available as is OpenSFX-0.1.0alpha1
16:42<planetmaker>on bananas now
16:42<Xaroth>www-data 22489 0.0 5.8 62772 45516 ? Sl Aug03 1:56 /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/bin/mongrel_rails start -d -e production -c /var/local/redmine --user www-data --group www-data --prefix /redmine -p 8000 -P tmp/pids/mongrel.8000.pid -l log/mongrel.8000.log
16:43<TrueBrain>45M, that is smaller than what I have :p
16:43<frosch123> print("Hello, " + who"); <- weird syntax you use
16:43<OwenS>In any case... at least the LLVM code can be discarded when it's running and doesn't need to stay resident
16:43<TrueBrain>" before )
16:43<TrueBrain>a new rule
16:44<OwenS>frosch123: Oops lol!
16:44<frosch123>oh, i thought it was a postfix string conversion
16:44<Xaroth>TrueBrain: 45m is still a CRAPTON if you realise that mongrel instance probably only gets 1 visitor a week?
16:44<TrueBrain>hahahahaha
16:44<TrueBrain>www-data 11929 0.6 37.9 211312 75932 ? Sl 20:36 0:03 <- 75M
16:44<TrueBrain>(but 40% of the available memory :p)
16:44<OwenS>TrueBrain: How do I get the resident size for a process except for via top? :p
16:45<TrueBrain>ps aux ....... if you would have read :p
16:45<OwenS>TrueBrain: I was hoping for something less "manually parsed" :p
16:45<Xaroth>[OwenS]: TrueBrain: I was hoping for something less "manually parsed" :p << that's why i initially asked TB :P
16:45<TrueBrain>learn to read it ... it will be your good friend
16:46<@Rubidium>cut 'n' cat /proc?
16:46<@Rubidium>or rather cat proc 'n' cut
16:47<TrueBrain>then you need to know the pid
16:47<TrueBrain>for which you need to do either pid or ps :p
16:47<TrueBrain>pid = top
16:48<TrueBrain>"Diana was still alive hours before she died" <- reading through funny headlines
16:48<OwenS>Rubidium: LLVM may be large... but my resident size is only 6mb for the entire interpreter
16:48<OwenS>Thats smaller than a Python instance :P
16:49<TrueBrain>OwenS: don't even try to compare your language at this point ... lots can change :)
16:49<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: failblog not enough for you? ;)
16:49<TrueBrain>a Python 'instance' contains many loaded objects :p
16:49<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: nope :)
16:49<TrueBrain>http://probablybadnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/rapist.jpg <- hahahahaha :)
16:49<OwenS>TrueBrain: Thats a python instance with nothing loaded sitting there :P And yes, lots will change... but LLVM isn't that much overhead compared to an interpreter
16:49<Eddi|zuHause>:)
16:50<Eddi|zuHause>i remember one time when jay leno made "headlines", he hold up a newspaper add with a search for someone, and the picture looked a lot like jay leno ;)
16:52<TrueBrain>OwenS: for all we know, you only use 1% of the LLVM functions you will be using at the end :)
16:52<TrueBrain>so I really do hope for you it is a low overhead :)
16:52<TrueBrain>but .. I dunno .. LLVM sounds BIG :p
16:52<TrueBrain>but in all fairness .. never installed it :p
16:52<OwenS>TrueBrain: Well... I'm using all the libs I'll be using at the end, except perhaps the bitcode writer (for saving optimized objects)
16:53<TrueBrain>using libs != using functions :)
16:53<TrueBrain>linkers are smart ;)
16:53<OwenS>TrueBrain: Not at getting rid of bits of LLVM's codegen :p
16:53<OwenS>Well, JIT I should say
16:54<TrueBrain>okay, now it is fair to say: Lord Aro is stupid :p
16:54<TrueBrain>well . stupid .. very lazy
16:55<OwenS>Muhahaha! I just managed to lose a friend in TVTropes :P
16:55<TrueBrain>TVTropes?
16:56<OwenS>www.tvtropes.org - be warned, it's like internet crack :p
16:56<frosch123>night
16:56<TrueBrain>night frosch123
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16:56<TrueBrain>ha, I was in time :) WHOHO!
16:57<SmatZ>gratz!
16:57<@Rubidium>there goes WT 3.1. :(
16:57<TrueBrain>haha
16:57<TrueBrain>was it ever to be finished?
16:57<TrueBrain>doh :p
16:57<OwenS>To quote XKCD: "It's like rickrolling, but you're trapped all day." http://www.xkcd.com/609/
16:57<TrueBrain>I think it is me .. but I don't get the website :p
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16:58<OwenS>TVTropes has a habit of getting stuff traveling down my pipe...
16:58<TrueBrain>ieuw
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17:00<OwenS>TVTropes doesn't cause me tab explosions... just tabs that don't go away :p
17:01<TrueBrain>sometimes I just don't get xkcd ..
17:01<Eddi|zuHause>i didn't get that one either...
17:02<OwenS>(I open it to close it, see something interesting, go "ooo", and... it stays there. And before you say "Get a browser which lets you close tabs without opening them"... My Opera tabs are at this point about 24px wide and if they had close buttons would lack room for the identifying favicon)
17:03<Eddi|zuHause>i never use tabs...
17:03<TrueBrain>http://www.xkcd.com/618/ <- I don't get it
17:03<OwenS>37 tabs open ATM
17:03<TrueBrain>maybe I just don't have a sense of humor
17:03<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: you don't know the little prince?
17:03<TrueBrain>I guess not
17:04<Eddi|zuHause>the story with the snake who swallowed an elephant?
17:04<TrueBrain>nope
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17:05<Eddi|zuHause>i guess you seriously missed something then ;)
17:05<TrueBrain>yup
17:06<TrueBrain>why do insects always join me in my room
17:06<TrueBrain>I didn't ask for that :(
17:06<TrueBrain>I don't want them here!
17:06<Eddi|zuHause>two solutions for that: 1) close the windows, 2) shut off the light
17:06<Nite_Owl>they either like you or are hungry
17:07<Alberth>just like you, they know where the food is good.
17:07<OwenS>3) Get a window with a ventilate setting
17:07<TrueBrain>they can't see the light from outside!!
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17:07<TrueBrain>famous last words
17:07<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: they can smell you sweet blood
17:08<Eddi|zuHause>http://probablybadnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/incest.jpg <- or you need this ;)
17:08<OwenS>I don't know whether to click that link or not
17:08<TrueBrain>always wanted something against incest :p
17:08<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: it is sfw ;)
17:09<TrueBrain>boss-safe
17:09-!-Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd
17:09<TrueBrain>Yexo!!!
17:09<OwenS>Mmh
17:09<Yexo>hello TrueBrain :)
17:09<TrueBrain>whoho, Malay did one more translation .. just 2199 to go
17:09<OwenS>I suppose it's just the quantity of people trying to get me with goatse-style stuff :p
17:10<TrueBrain>goatse.cx is down :(
17:10<OwenS>goatse.cz works apparently
17:10<TrueBrain>.fr too
17:11<OwenS>Hmm no... telnet test indicates it's now sedoparked =(
17:12<TrueBrain>.fr has the image :p
17:12<OwenS>goatse.fr. 10734 IN SOA a.dns.gandi.net. hostmaster.gandi.net. 1235316348 10800 3600 604800 10800
17:12<OwenS>I find that quite humorous :p
17:12<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not sure why you really check that :p
17:13<TrueBrain>I used google, and clicked on it ..
17:13<TrueBrain>happens
17:13<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: they misspelled ghandi
17:13<SmatZ>Akoz: where are you getting back?
17:13<SmatZ>*when
17:13<OwenS>Also... They appear to be running DJBDNS
17:13<TrueBrain>archive.org has goatse.cx! :p
17:13<@Rubidium>SmatZ: that's simple to answer: when you went to bed :)
17:13<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: i have not the slightest idea what that means
17:14<OwenS>DJB's DNS server :p
17:14<SmatZ>hehe :)
17:14<Eddi|zuHause>oh. that makes it more clear. certainly
17:14<TrueBrain>openttd.org is not in archive.org since 2007 ...
17:14<OwenS>TrueBrain: Banned by Robots? :p
17:14<SmatZ>:(
17:14<TrueBrain>not that I know of
17:14<TrueBrain>no robots.txt
17:15<SmatZ>seems so
17:15<TrueBrain>archive.org is SLLOOOWWWWwww
17:15<Akoz>smatz: saturday or monday. not sure yet
17:16<SmatZ>Akoz: ah, enjoy :)
17:16<Akoz>btw I dont have any alerts on ppl writing my nick in this channel, so give me a pm if you want my attention please :)
17:16<OwenS>TrueBrain: Loads quite fast here. Which is surprising!
17:16<OwenS>Hehe I remember that OpenTTD theme
17:16<TrueBrain>but okay ... no indication why it doesn't index openttd.org anymore :p
17:16<TrueBrain>maybe nobody visited or something
17:17<OwenS>Out of curiosity, hows the text wrapped in the "OpenTTD is an open source clone of Transport Tycoon Delux" bit on the current main page - could do with some right padding for me cause it runs right into the icons
17:17<OwenS>(As in, they're almost touching)
17:17<Akoz>smatz: is there any chance it will make it into trunk? if not I will not bother work more on it regardless :p
17:18<TrueBrain>OwenS: I only know it took me ages to get it like this
17:18<TrueBrain>only Opera fails to render it correctly
17:18<TrueBrain>so I said: fuck Opera
17:18<OwenS>Also... the subtitles under "Download OpenTTD" and such overlay the text
17:18<TrueBrain>even IE5.5 renders it correct ... makes you wonder :p
17:19<OwenS>I have no trouble getting stuff to work in Opera...
17:19<TrueBrain>Opera only: no
17:19<TrueBrain>for all browsers, it is slightly harder :p
17:19<OwenS>I tend to develop in Opera though, so :p
17:19<TrueBrain>and if 1 browser fucks up a CSS1 website, I say: fuck that browser
17:20<OwenS>Interestingly, a design I just made worked first time in Opera, Firefox, Konqueror, Webkit, IE7 and IE6 (Except for the alpha PNGs)... I was quite amazed!
17:21<TrueBrain>it is btw the only thing that fucks up on any browser
17:21<TrueBrain>yeah, default Debian install doesn't have the right font, so the menu fucks up slightly
17:21<TrueBrain>the rest it is identical on all browser (if I can believe what was that site again ..
17:22<OwenS>Which font? Cause I stole a bunch of fonts from my Windows install :p
17:22<TrueBrain>browsershot.org I believe :p
17:22<TrueBrain>oh, a default webfont
17:22<TrueBrain>"Trebuchet MS"
17:24<TrueBrain>I guess it is not 'free' enough for Debian or what ever
17:24<OwenS>Trebecuchet MS isn't open source by any definition
17:24<OwenS>To reproduce it you have to keep it in it's .exe
17:24<TrueBrain>browsershot.org is getting worce by the month ... pages that don't load .. shit like that
17:24<OwenS>It's browsershots.org ;P
17:25<TrueBrain>http://browsershots.org/http://www.openttd.org/en/
17:25<TrueBrain>that one :p
17:25<TrueBrain>Dillo fails to follow CSS1 :p
17:26<Eddi|zuHause>that page opens with an error "jCarousel: No width/height set for items. This will cause an infinite loop. Aborting..."
17:27<TrueBrain>lol
17:27<OwenS>Whoa... My contend degrades *perfectly* in dillo except for the fact that my credit image is white on white :p
17:28<Eddi|zuHause>(using konqueror 4)
17:28<OwenS>I must complain that Browsershots doesn't wait for the page to load -_-
17:28<TrueBrain>that I just said .. didn't I? :p
17:29<OwenS>Oh thats what you meant by that :p
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17:29<TrueBrain>dillo is fast
17:29<TrueBrain>just really doesn't know CSS1 :p
17:30<Ammler>dillo?
17:30<OwenS>I'm glad I went for the white text with black outline for the header... It degrades perfectly :p
17:30<TrueBrain>a dildo, but for the web
17:30<Ammler>I just thought it :-D
17:31<TrueBrain>I noticed that you did, so I thought I would help you out
17:31<Ammler>that is real geeky
17:32<TrueBrain>it always makes me happy to see so many browsers rendering the website identical :)
17:32<OwenS>Dillo 2.1.1 does CSS =/
17:32<TrueBrain>hmm :)
17:32<OwenS>partially :p
17:32<TrueBrain>I clearly said CSS1 all the time :)
17:32<TrueBrain>for good reason :)
17:32<OwenS>background-color and text-align seem to the only supported elements :p
17:33<TrueBrain>well, openttd.org renders perfectly on non-CSS browsers too :)
17:33<Eddi|zuHause># if i had a million dollars
17:33<OwenS>Haha! Browsershots windows system seems to be showing german pagefile notices :p
17:34<Nite_Owl>if I had a hammer...
17:34<_ln>Eddi|zuHause: if zimbabwean dollars are ok, then...
17:34<Eddi|zuHause>_ln: the US Dollar is on the best way to getting there, too ;)
17:34<TrueBrain>OwenS: if you now check the page, you see Opera is the only one who really fucks up :p
17:35<TrueBrain>http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/b6/b691c19e1a0c925acd7495c96fe7c902.png <- euh ... I think browsershots needs to rethink their method
17:35<OwenS>lol
17:36<TrueBrain>and I want to underline we do CSS1 only! (well, a small snippet of CSS2, but okay)
17:36<TrueBrain>yet .. Opera completely fails
17:36<TrueBrain>so I say again: OPERA SUCKS
17:36<OwenS>Only error I see in Opera is the top text
17:37<TrueBrain>http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/15/15c4390c21795c6ef7a1ea1aa532edda.png
17:37<TrueBrain>I have no idea what went wrong
17:37<OwenS>Looks like their connection dropped
17:37<TrueBrain>in the middle of a CSS?
17:38<OwenS>Apparently
17:38<TrueBrain>cool even Flock renders the site correct (What ever Flock is)
17:38<OwenS>Gecko :p
17:38<TrueBrain>http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/a7/a7a4b80326939c7cb96c7ff41141ec57.png <- first opera which DOES the header correct
17:39<TrueBrain>Opera 8! \o/
17:39<OwenS>Opera 8 is oold...
17:39<TrueBrain>yeah .. my point ...
17:39<TrueBrain>how can it be that an old version renders the CSS1 correct, and the newer versions fuck up?
17:40<OwenS>That Avast warning sucks :p
17:41<TrueBrain>Avant renders it correct! \o/
17:41<TrueBrain>Kazehakase too
17:41<TrueBrain>(what ever that is)
17:41<TrueBrain>K-Meleon ..
17:41<TrueBrain>really .. who comes up with those names?
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17:44<TrueBrain>welcome CACD
17:45<CACD>Hi! Is there a town vector for temperate which adds additional growth factors?
17:46<Ammler>what is that dildo browser based on?
17:47<TrueBrain>Ammler: www.google.com -> dillo
17:47<TrueBrain>try it
17:47<OwenS>Ammler: Dillo is a custom engine
17:47<Ammler>TrueBrain: then I wouldn't ask here :-P
17:47<TrueBrain>oh, you catched on on that?
17:48<TrueBrain>hihi :)
17:48*TrueBrain hugs Ammler
17:48<Eddi|zuHause>why do the best songs have no text that you can quote in a chat?
17:49<TrueBrain>CACD: I think nobody is awake who can answer your question; maybe try the forums?
17:49<TrueBrain># FUCK YOU!!!
17:49<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: I have no problems quoting it :)
17:49<TrueBrain>I love that song :)
17:49<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: well, that is a text ;)
17:49<TrueBrain># fuck you very very much...
17:49<Eddi|zuHause>and yes, the song is great, too ;)
17:49<TrueBrain>I just hope CACD didn't think it was for him .. I hope he knows what the # means :s)
17:50<Eddi|zuHause>but Howard Shore - The Forbidden Pool does not have any text ;)
17:50<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: easy solution:
17:50<TrueBrain>PAM PAM PAM PAMPA PAM PA PAPAM
17:50<TrueBrain>PAM PAM PAMMDEDAM DA DA DAM DA DA DAM
17:50<Eddi|zuHause>and damn you, now i have to listen to lily allen ;)
17:50<CACD>I don't know what # means... still I didn't think it was directed at me
17:50<TrueBrain>hihi :)
17:50<TrueBrain>CACD: pfew ;) I was singing
17:51<TrueBrain>not the best thing to withness, but ithappens
17:51<OwenS>Note to self: Never be heard singing Komm, Suser Tod to one's self
17:51<Eddi|zuHause>did you mean "süß"?
17:51<TrueBrain>Note to self: never make notes to self in public channels
17:51<TrueBrain>DOH!
17:52<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: yes. I lack such accents :p
17:52<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: there's a rule for that
17:52<TrueBrain>Xaroth: found inspiration?
17:52<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: replace "ü" with "ue" and "ß" with "ss"
17:52<Xaroth>TrueBrain: nope, server issue that needs tending first
17:52<_ln>OwenS: fortunately, ü is not an accent.
17:52<TrueBrain>Xaroth: sucks
17:53<OwenS># "So with sadness in my heart / I feel the best thing I could do / is end it all / and leave forever"
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17:53<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Actually, thats how it's labeled in my collection. Doh! :p
17:53<TrueBrain>bad label! :p
17:54<OwenS>No, the label is correct :p
17:54<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: the german spelling rules are quite strict on this ;)
17:54<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: no, they should listen to the label of OwenS!
17:55<Eddi|zuHause>because everything else would cause problematic ambiguousities (?)
17:55<OwenS>That song just added to the epic mindscrew (of pneumatic drill proportions) that was the movie it was in...
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17:55<Eddi|zuHause>i don't know the song...
17:56<TrueBrain>now I have to listen Damien Rice ...
17:56<Eddi|zuHause>listen to christina aguilera instead
17:56<OwenS>From the End of Evangelion OST. In spite of the name... It was composed in Japan and sung in English :p
17:57<Yexo>good night
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17:57<TrueBrain>bah .. too late :(
17:57<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: that's no reason to misspell it
17:57<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: As I said, the mis-spelling was all my fault. I've never been taught german :p
17:57<TrueBrain>then why do you say the label is correct :(
17:57<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: but you get bonus points for not trying to simulate an "ß" by writing "B"
17:58<OwenS>OK.. time to put on a track with less depressing lyrics :p
17:58<Eddi|zuHause>believe me, people did that. and it took five guys to decipher what the person meant...
17:59<OwenS>lol
17:59<TrueBrain>those german people are not the smartest, are they :p
17:59<Eddi|zuHause>honestly... nobody was expecting that...
18:00<TrueBrain>even the most unreadable stuff I can read by just looking at it without reading
18:00<TrueBrain>mostly because in reality your brain never reads the letters individual
18:00<TrueBrain>but it just makes something out of how it looks/acts
18:01<Eddi|zuHause>yes, and when it looks like a "B" in the middle of the word, your brain stops parsing...
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18:01<TrueBrain>OwenS: Opera 9.27 renders the site also correct! :p
18:01<TrueBrain>then you don't read enough crap :)
18:01<TrueBrain>http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/e2/e20009d2ec51c659f8e43d603e1354f4.png
18:01<Eddi|zuHause>and then you read "GruB", and that totally alters the meaning ;)
18:02<TrueBrain>today my roommate wrote something on the board
18:02<TrueBrain>it could have been arabic
18:02<OwenS>One Of The Most Annoying Things People Do All The Fucking Time Is Type Like This, Which Makes My Mental Voice Talk Like William Shatner
18:02<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: solution, read it backwards ;)
18:02<TrueBrain>no, it was like: -------
18:02<TrueBrain>with slight variation in up and down
18:02<OwenS>TrueBrain: Seismograph? :p
18:02<TrueBrain>still I could read it without too much effort :p
18:03<Eddi|zuHause>but honestly, when your brain translates the writing to "grub", it could mean anything...
18:03<TrueBrain>waiting 30 minutes to get this: http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/32/32d11a4efaa40c38df78753e09152422.png
18:03<Eddi|zuHause>but you never get the idea that he could have meant "Gruß"
18:04<OwenS>That sounds kinda like what happened to me when I did my second 2 hour writing exam (After 2 hours of writing in the morning), then did ½ the paper in 2/3 the time.. Then had to rush through the second half
18:04<OwenS>It wouldn't have been so bad if the f*cking examiner hadn't forgotten to refer the paper properly... Causing me to drop 2 grades for 3 months -_-
18:05<OwenS>It also wouldn't have been so bad if someone at the exam board had gone "Hey, this guy got an A in English Lit and a D in English Lang... anyone find this a bit odd?"
18:06<TrueBrain>http://browsershots.org/http://www.openttd.org/en/ <- all small openttd.org websites smiling at you :) Hihi :)
18:09<thingwath>http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/b6/b691c19e1a0c925acd7495c96fe7c902.png
18:09<thingwath>superior technology, really :)
18:11<Eddi|zuHause>hm... they're announcing to show harpers island in germany already...
18:11<Eddi|zuHause>that was fast...
18:12<Nite_Owl>it sucked
18:12<Eddi|zuHause>i liked it...
18:12<Eddi|zuHause>even though horror/thriller is not really my genre ;)
18:13<@Rubidium>isn't that a "Killerfernsehprogram"?
18:13<@Rubidium>shouldn't the German government forbid it?
18:13<Eddi|zuHause>sure... but tv is not The Great Evil anymore :p
18:13<TrueBrain>Internet on the other hand ...
18:14<Eddi|zuHause>and: "Programm" ;)
18:14<Eddi|zuHause>and shows like that are usually cut on tv
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18:14<OwenS>Isn't German censorship the reason Austrian web game stores are more popular than would be predicted given the size of the population? :p
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18:15<Eddi|zuHause>yes ;)
18:15<Eddi|zuHause>and some austrian web shops have been legally threatened ;)
18:15<OwenS>For allowing people to import them? Is personal import not legal? :p
18:16<TrueBrain>I get my CDs from Germany, because then I don't have to pay a stupid tax over it
18:16<Eddi|zuHause>not the import is the problem. the advertising for indexed games
18:16<TrueBrain>they try to sue the German companies; they failed
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18:17<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: when the website advertises indexed games/shows indexed pictures, the websites themselves get indexed.
18:18<Eddi|zuHause>where "index" is the "censorship list"
18:18<Eddi|zuHause>then they must implement a block for german people...
18:18<TrueBrain>and if they don't? :)
18:18<Eddi|zuHause>or an age verification
18:19<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: i'm not sure ;)
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18:19<TrueBrain>I mean .. I want to see that .. Germans forcing, say, Russia to block certain IPs :p
18:20<OwenS>I wonder... is it legal for me to sell the DVDs unrated by the BBFC I have (American imports) that are in my personal collection? Shops are unable to sell something they haven't rated... but private persons?
18:20<@Rubidium>BREIN v. TPB?
18:20<TrueBrain>Rubidium: like ever
18:21<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: but given the recent development of an internet censoring system through dns blocks ("only" for "child pornography"), there are loud voices that want this system to be used vor "violence", "hate", "holocaust denial", "anticonstitutional propaganda", "killer games", ...
18:21<TrueBrain>the end of the free world
18:21<TrueBrain>the reason they should never have started with such 'filters' in the first place
18:21<TrueBrain>Who is watching the watchers?
18:21<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: the one with the deepest pockets usually wins, in this case I reckon the pockets of the German government are way bigger than those of the Austrian web companies
18:21<OwenS>"I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it"
18:21<OwenS>is a quote I like
18:22<TrueBrain>well, I give it 2 to 3 more years .. I think by then 'free speech' is no more on the Internet
18:22<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: apparently, german politicians have never heard it.
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18:22<TrueBrain>when you say in a chatroom: I WANT TO KILL THAT .....
18:22<TrueBrain>you get arrested for that in the next hour
18:22<TrueBrain>wait, my doorbell rings, one moment
18:22<OwenS>lol
18:23<@petern>MOTHERFUCKER
18:23<OwenS>Then again I feel that the ECHR should be extended to require full freedom of speech :p
18:23<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: schaterlach?
18:24<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: the sad thing about the whole "killer game" debate is, because of "youth protection" reasons, adult people are turned into criminals for playing them
18:24<Eddi|zuHause>not speaking about producing them...
18:24<Eddi|zuHause>there was a game company raided by the police already...
18:24<@Rubidium>reminds me of http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/03/bofh_2005_episode_18/ though
18:24<TrueBrain>I have to say, that what was the name of that game ....
18:24<OwenS>I find it interesting how it's such a big debate in both the US and Germany, but here in the UK you rarely hear it and were generally a cultural melting pot between the US and continental Europe...
18:25<TrueBrain>something with an M .. number 2 ..
18:25<TrueBrain>brutal game
18:25<TrueBrain>grr
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18:25<OwenS>TrueBrain: Manhunt
18:25<OwenS>By Rockstar
18:25<TrueBrain>yeah! That that game is not allowed in most sane countries
18:25<TrueBrain>that I can understand
18:25<TrueBrain>that game is really sick!
18:25<OwenS>It's allowed in the UK; rated 18
18:25<TrueBrain>of course dutch laws can't prevent a game from being released .......
18:26<OwenS>The BBFC have never permanently banned a video game IIRC
18:26<OwenS>They've never classified one R18 ("For sale at registered sex shops only") either
18:26<@Rubidium>OwenS: I reckon no-one did shoot half a class and then him/herself at school lately in the UK
18:27<@Rubidium>although I wonder whether 'killer games' have an influence on toddlers and the like
18:27<Xaroth>It's still funny that at ever shooting they claim whoever did it was playing violent games like counter strike
18:27<Eddi|zuHause>Xaroth: it's the "98% of terrorists eat bread and drink water 24h before a bombing"
18:28<Xaroth>yep
18:28<Eddi|zuHause>likewise, 98% of youths have a FPS game on their computer...
18:28<TrueBrain>Xaroth: well, it is safe to say someone played CS in its life if his age is < 25
18:28<TrueBrain>they are just stating facts :)
18:29<OwenS>Rubidium: No. In a recent murder trial someone tried to use the argument that "the killer played Manhunt" to get Manhunt banned. The killer never played Manhunt - the victim did :p
18:29<OwenS>TrueBrain: If their age is < 25 and they are male :p
18:29<TrueBrain>even the 'male' part is debatable :)
18:29<Xaroth>lol TrueBrain: RTL7 is messed up atm
18:30<Xaroth>they are fast forwarding through commercials
18:30<TrueBrain>can't be bothered to turn it on
18:30<TrueBrain>although that might be funny :p
18:30<Xaroth>they just showed around 20 commercials in.. 30 seconds?
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18:30<@Rubidium>OwenS: doesn't matter; obviosuly if the victim didn't play Manhunt he wouldn't be killed
18:30<TrueBrain>too late :(
18:30<Xaroth>ye
18:30<TrueBrain>but why are you watching this porno movie?
18:30<OwenS>Rubidium: It was too late for that argument. The papers had already ridiculed them :p
18:30<OwenS>Funny how in the US recently Lawyer Jack "All FPS games are murder simulators!" Thompson was permanently disbarred
18:31<Xaroth>it's pr0n!
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18:31<TrueBrain>I remember the incident around Mass Effect
18:31<TrueBrain>THERE IS PORNO IN IT! claimed a few people who never played the game
18:31<OwenS>Isn't that the one where he defended the game? :p
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18:31<Eddi|zuHause>RTLx with x>3 is an encrypted channel over here...
18:31<TrueBrain>well .. I wouldn't call it porno what happened there ...
18:31<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: gymnastics ;)
18:32<TrueBrain>you saw a scene which might made you to believe something was going to happen between 2 females
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18:32<TrueBrain>later on the person who screamed this relaly hard crawled back in her hole .. but most of the damage was done
18:32<TrueBrain>because of 1 scene which gives a suggestion you can land in the news as BAD!!!!
18:32<TrueBrain>:s
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18:33<OwenS>I should produce a game I've had in my head for a while... Then, when all the complaints about the implied sex come in, retort: "You're complaining about implied sex WHEN THE MAIN CHARACTER FREAKING KILLS ABOUT 100 PEOPLE"
18:33<Eddi|zuHause>hey... Nite_Owl skipped the "need to feed" part ;)
18:33<TrueBrain>lol, you noticed too? :)
18:33<OwenS>100 pretty much innocent people at that :p
18:33<TrueBrain>I am always amuzed by my roommates
18:33<TrueBrain>they watch a movie, and start to comment on the stuppiest things
18:34<TrueBrain>XMen last time .. HE! THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE
18:34<TrueBrain>wtf? You are watching a movie about a guy which has bones of some kind of metal
18:34<TrueBrain>and you complain a small detai lis not possible?!
18:34<OwenS>lol
18:35<Eddi|zuHause>like in TBBT, where they discuss superman, supposed he could fly, catching lois lane would cut her in 3 parts?
18:35<OwenS>Most people complain if Me and a friend of mine watch a movie. Me: "Why is that German soldier carrying an M16? The Germans don't use M16s, they use G36s!" Him: [On a WWII film] "Why is that tank there? It's a model from the 1950s and never participated in WWII"
18:35<TrueBrain>Rubidium: briliant BOFH :)
18:35<TrueBrain>(bit slow, I know)
18:36<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: StarTrek has that error
18:36<Eddi|zuHause>star trek is full of errors ;)
18:36*Rubidium wonders why so many of the perpetrators of those massacres have met with a psychatrist/psychologist over an extended period of time. Maybe we should ban those too!
18:36<TrueBrain>but this is a very poor one .. one of the earliest, Spock catches Kirk or who was it
18:36<Eddi|zuHause>could you specify? :p
18:36<TrueBrain>while he was falling
18:37<Eddi|zuHause>oh... that was 5, i think
18:37<TrueBrain>OwenS: I would hit you in the face :p
18:38<OwenS>I like the Voyager episode where they say they're 100,000km from a 1.5ly obstacle, and put it on screen. 1.5ly from 100,000km... Do they have any idea of the scale difference? Is the camera lens they're using 179.999 degrees or something?!
18:38<OwenS>Like in the intro where they show it flying over the rings of a planet... and the reflection indicates that the ship is several hundred km across...
18:39<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: for your own sake, i would stop talking :p
18:39<TrueBrain>OwenS: wide-lens? I don't see the problem :)
18:39<OwenS>TrueBrain: Wheres the fisheye effect? ;-)
18:39<TrueBrain>but okay, you have understood it wrong
18:39<TrueBrain>they left a probe far far away
18:40<TrueBrain>which was making the image
18:40<@Rubidium>OwenS: Data un-fish-eyed it!
18:40<OwenS>And they "Reversed the polarity of the deflector dish" to amplify the signal to get it far enough :p
18:40<OwenS>Rubidium: Voyager doesn't have Data. Seven maybe though :p
18:41<TrueBrain>but okay .. ST is full of glitches
18:41<TrueBrain>some are only more funny than others
18:41<@Rubidium>name me 1 sci-fi-ish movie that isn't full of glitches
18:41<OwenS>Rubidium: Firefly, Serenity
18:41<TrueBrain>Doctor Who!
18:41<TrueBrain>OwenS: movie he said, so Serenity :p
18:41<TrueBrain>not Fire
18:41<TrueBrain>not Firefly :p
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18:42<OwenS>They have some glitches, but mainly they're fine
18:42<Aali>voyager does have that amazingly embarrasing episode where they break the warp 10 barrier
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18:42<OwenS>Aali: Aah, that ones a classic! :P
18:42<Aali>with the only side-effect being a curable acceleration of evolution
18:42<Aali>and yet they never try it again
18:43<OwenS>Mainly, presumably multi light second communication is instantanious (But OK, perhaps they're trying not to bore us :P ) and the other where space suddenly becomes noisy (But OK, rule of cool was in effect)
18:43<OwenS>(And you could use the excuse of them being in the upper atmo at the time.. though thats a bit of a stretch)
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18:46<TrueBrain>pompiedom
18:47<OwenS>I want a longer version of the serenity theme. In the movie it cuts off quite suddenly when a buffer panel breaks off =(
18:47<Eddi|zuHause>Doctor Who is not full of glitches, it is one huge pile of deliberate inconsistency ;)
18:47<TrueBrain>Serenety and Aeon Flux it will be for tonight
18:47<OwenS>I have Serenity on BD. Good movie
18:48<TrueBrain>I have it in 720p in .. a few minutes :p
18:48<OwenS>Meh. I have it in 40GB of 1080p VC-1 (Eww on the last fact) with 7.1 15mbit/s DTS-HD Master Audio :P
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18:49<TrueBrain>VC-1? Why?
18:49<TrueBrain>MS sucks :(
18:49<OwenS>Becuase the BD is encoded with VC-1? :-(
18:49<TrueBrain>really?
18:49<TrueBrain>ieuw
18:49<OwenS>Some are MPEG-2. Very eww :p
18:50<OwenS>Dunno why the extras are in SD MPEG-2 on the Serenity BD though. Wouldn't VC-1 have worked out cheaper since they already licensed it? :p
18:50<Eddi|zuHause>who-in-his-right-mind...
18:50<OwenS>Most HD TV shows are supplied to TV stations in compressed-the-hell-out-of MPEG-2 =(
18:50<TrueBrain>but the DTS audio channel has to be nice :)
18:50<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: probably they just copied them from the DVD?
18:50<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Probably
18:51<OwenS>You know they're supplied crap when the H.264 output looks better than the input
18:51<TrueBrain>euhm?
18:51<OwenS>TrueBrain: It would be if my amp supported it :P As is I get DTS 5.1 (Like DVDs), which is OK (And "accoustically transparent" anyway)
18:51<TrueBrain>how can the output ever looks better than the input?
18:51<Eddi|zuHause>i meant the extras, not the tv stations...
18:52<OwenS>So did I :p
18:52<OwenS>TrueBrain: Because H.264 uses a psycovisual (sp?) model which makes it model what the eyes like :p
18:52<TrueBrain>if you say so :)
18:52<Eddi|zuHause># U i vethed na i onnad.
18:52<Eddi|zuHause># Si boe u-dhanna.
18:52<Eddi|zuHause># Ae u-esteli, esteliach nad.
18:53<TrueBrain>(I know nothing about encoders, besides the part that they .. encode :p)
18:53<TrueBrain>and that they increase entropy :p
18:53<TrueBrain>but that .. that is a cmopletely different story :)
18:53<OwenS>TrueBrain: Basically, the part of H.264 which predicts what the next frame will be like (And the encoder then supplies differences to make it look like it should) predicts something our eyes prefer to the source material
18:54<TrueBrain>bah, someone is also streaming from my hd ... IO shortage ..
18:54<Eddi|zuHause>lmao...
18:54<TrueBrain>just 8000 MiB/sec :(
18:54<TrueBrain>euh
18:54<TrueBrain>lol
18:54<TrueBrain>M = K
18:55<Eddi|zuHause>it's sad when the internet is faster than the HD :p
18:55<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: just reduce the throughput to the streamer!
18:55<OwenS>E.G. MPEG-2 will make stuff look "blurred"... the H.264 predictor adds noise and our eyes like it
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18:55<TrueBrain>Rubidium: the problem is that the HD needs to seek from different places, creating a bottleneck
18:56<TrueBrain>so either I have to stop it, or it doesn't matter
18:56<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: reducing the throughput eventually stops the stream
18:56<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: that calls for a better prefetch-algorithm
18:56<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: what would you suggest? :P
18:56<Eddi|zuHause>how should i know ;)
18:56<Eddi|zuHause>i don't have that kind of problems :p
18:56<TrueBrain>haha
18:56<TrueBrain>it is an upper-class problem, I admit :)
18:57<OwenS>I'd suggest bigger IO buffers :p
18:57<TrueBrain>my disk itself already has 32MB :p
18:57<TrueBrain>still .. there are limits :p
18:57<OwenS>ZFS can create some huge ones which caused the FreeBSD kernel to panic a lot with their initial implementation from address space exhaustion :p
18:58<OwenS>E.G. I'm watching a ~300mb TV episode at the moment and it's cached it all into RAM :p
18:58<TrueBrain>300mb is nothing
18:58<TrueBrain>I am storing 5gb
18:59<TrueBrain>while at least 1 person is streaming 12gb
18:59<TrueBrain>:p
18:59<TrueBrain>then there is also a torrent active .. hmm .. :p
18:59<OwenS>Yes, but it will cache hundreds of megs at a time to reduce seeks :p
19:00<TrueBrain>OwenS: you can't cache writes :p (well, you can, but it has to be stored at some point .. when the cache is full, it will write at the speed of the disk :p)
19:00<Eddi|zuHause>you don't have 8GB of memory? :p
19:01<OwenS>Writes go into big caches also, so for 3 people streaming (2 from, 1 to) it will probably cache ~200mb each if it can and stream that out when it reaches 150mb
19:01<TrueBrain>still not :(
19:01<TrueBrain>OwenS: think about write cache
19:01<TrueBrain>when the cache is full
19:01<TrueBrain>it HAS to write to disk
19:01<TrueBrain>then the speed is the write of the disk .. no matter how big your cache is :p
19:01<OwenS>TrueBrain: Yes. But everyone else has big full caches to tide them over
19:02<TrueBrain>@calc 4.3 * 1024 / 120
19:02<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 36.6933333333
19:02<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: but when multiple people are accessing, the most bandwidth gets killed by seeks, not by writes...
19:02<Xaroth>oh for the love of
19:02<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: true :)
19:02<Xaroth>mono compile faster you stupid piece of GRRRRRRRRR
19:02<Eddi|zuHause>so a good caching/scheduling strategy reduces the number of seeks
19:02<TrueBrain>lol @ Xaroth
19:02<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: that absolutely, in all cases :)
19:03<Xaroth>TrueBrain: it's been bloody compiling for the past hour
19:03<Xaroth>WAIT
19:03<Xaroth>it's done
19:03<TrueBrain>hahah
19:03<OwenS>I would say it was the Intel approach to design ("Add cache until you cover up your issues").. but it works for filesystems :p
19:03<OwenS>Xaroth: what?
19:03<Xaroth>OwenS: Mono 2.4
19:03<TrueBrain>I guess my fs doesn't cache that well :p
19:03<OwenS>I thought you said "compiles" lol
19:03<Xaroth>apparently ubuntu doesn't do anything above 1.9 on ubuntu8.10
19:03<@Rubidium>OwenS: there are limits to the size of the cache
19:04<Xaroth>and seeing this bug is fixed in 2.1 or something
19:04<TrueBrain>torrent kill any cache btw
19:04<Xaroth>i have to manually compile it to fix it :(
19:04<@Rubidium>like... memory size exceeding the total amount of diskspace
19:04<OwenS>Rubidium: ZFS pre-reserves the diskspace :p
19:05<TrueBrain>I still don't like ZFS btw
19:05<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: i have not witnessed that symptom myself ;)
19:05<TrueBrain>dunno why really ..
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19:05<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: haha :) Poor you :p
19:05<Eddi|zuHause>apparently, my 5kB/s upload is not sufficient to kill caches :p
19:05<@Rubidium>isn't ZFS Oracle's file system?
19:05<OwenS>Sun's, yes
19:05<TrueBrain>Sun, but he, that are details :)
19:06<OwenS>Linux is moving in the same direction with btrfs :p
19:06<Eddi|zuHause>didn't they buy each other?
19:06<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: "Oracle Buys Sun"
19:06<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: yes, Sun bought Oracle, and Oracle bought Sun
19:06<TrueBrain>:p
19:06<Xaroth>ugh make install takes forever as well
19:06<TrueBrain>Rubidium: hence the: "that are details"
19:07<Xaroth>on a completely unrelated note: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/padyo/FunnyPics/forum/selection_217_12.jpg
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19:08<Eddi|zuHause>Xaroth: is that the pedobear? ;)
19:08<Xaroth>ye
19:09<SmatZ> /b/tard
19:10<OwenS>Isn't it mostly "You don't piss off /b/"? :p
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19:13<Eddi|zuHause>google is funny... you enter "/b/" and it comes up in this order with: "wikipedia - the letter B", "wikipedia - Bela B.", "Mercedes - B-Class" ---- Results for "4chan": [...]
19:13<OwenS>lol
19:14<TrueBrain>here the no one hit is: Ali B!
19:14<TrueBrain>no = no.
19:15<Eddi|zuHause>(where "Bela B." is a member of the famous band "Die Ärzte")
19:15<TrueBrain>hmm .. results on /b/ are removed due to child porn
19:16<Sacro>TrueBrain: they can early leave it there
19:16<TrueBrain>not later?
19:17<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: it says here 3 results are removed, but it doesn't tell why
19:17<TrueBrain>clicking the link shows you
19:19*TrueBrain is happy his emulator works :) Lalalaaaaaaa :)
19:20<TrueBrain>it suprises me .. now Bing is here, Google all of a sudden comes with a new search method
19:20<TrueBrain>why not sooner?
19:20<TrueBrain>haven't used Bing yet .. hmm ..
19:20<Eddi|zuHause>we have a saying... "Konkurrenz belebt das Geschäft"
19:21<TrueBrain>yeah, but Google had this big mouth
19:21<TrueBrain>that they were there for the public
19:21<TrueBrain>always inventing new things
19:21<TrueBrain>and going forward
19:21<TrueBrain>in reality .. they were standing still like any other, till the time someone came with a (better) alternative
19:21<Eddi|zuHause>yes, but a monopoly has that effect, even if you actively work against it
19:21<Eddi|zuHause>it's not necessarily the fault of google
19:22<Eddi|zuHause>sometimes you need to view things with the eyes of an outsider to get forward
19:22<Eddi|zuHause>if you have a monopoly, there is no outsider
19:22<TrueBrain>somehow Apple manages it to keep pushing forward
19:22<OwenS>And from a competitive point of view... If you're in the lead, you withhold your stuff until someone comes close to it so they odn't take their ideas from you
19:22<TrueBrain>take the iPhone ..
19:22<OwenS>The iPhone is hardly a monopoly
19:22<TrueBrain>OwenS: but Google claimed they were not doing that
19:22<TrueBrain>OwenS: I meant iPod -> iTouch -> iPhone
19:23<TrueBrain>despite the fact they are markt leader in mp3 players, they still keep pushing the limits
19:23<OwenS>the iPod Touch is just a stripped iPhone
19:23<TrueBrain>now, yes
19:23<TrueBrain>but not in the order of development
19:24<OwenS>Also, Apple are in a different type of market: They're innovating so people buy new iPods. Google... don't need to make people buy new googles ;-)
19:24<TrueBrain>true; yet I am disapointed in Google
19:24<TrueBrain>they always said they wouldn't ...
19:24<TrueBrain>we were used that Intel held back
19:24<TrueBrain>till AMD 'stole' it :p
19:24<Markk>Google is testing a new searchengine though
19:24<OwenS>TrueBrain: Actually no. Intel just went down a dead end and aimed for high clockspeeds to wow punters :p
19:25<Markk>ww2.sandbox.google.com i think
19:25<TrueBrain>Markk: that was the start of this conversation, tnx for paying attention ;)
19:25<Markk>Oh
19:25<Markk>:D
19:25<TrueBrain>OwenS: it was before that :p
19:25<OwenS>high clockspeeds at the expense of instructions/clock :p
19:25<Markk>Sorry guise
19:25<OwenS>TrueBrain: Huh? AMD caught Intel off guard twice, with the original Athlon and with the Athlon 64
19:26<TrueBrain>you do know the history of AMD, not?
19:26<TrueBrain>let me try to find a good page about it ...
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19:30<TrueBrain>bah, can't find a good page, only snippets .. it comes down to: AMD has a license from Intel to use its stuff .. AMD released a chipset based on it that was newer than the Intel chipset on the market
19:30<OwenS>Aah lol
19:30<TrueBrain>this because Intel had it developed and stuff, but didn't want to release it, because it would keep people buying their stuff ever 1.5 years
19:31<TrueBrain>Intel was via this way making more profit (over our backs)
19:31<TrueBrain>that is what I was refering to
19:31<TrueBrain>Intel had a N MHz years before we saw it .. not because it was not ready, but because they were trying to keep the prices high
19:31<TrueBrain>(after all, releasing a faster CPU every month is not good for the price :p)
19:31<TrueBrain>AMD took that 'privileges' away because of some bad contracts and some lawsuits :p
19:31<OwenS>I don't really care; I've never bought Intel CPUs anyway aside from my Atom :p
19:32<TrueBrain>up to 64bit, AMDs were just Intels (well, the technique and shit)
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19:32<TrueBrain>64bit CPUs are the first things AMD designed
19:33<OwenS>The K5/K6/K7/K8 family was all AMD designed
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19:33<TrueBrain>'designed' is a big word
19:33<TrueBrain>the x86 technoligy came straight from Intel
19:33<TrueBrain>they never did a thing for that
19:33<OwenS>The Am486 and such were Intel CPUs produced by AMD yes, but the K5 and later was custom built from the ground up
19:33<TrueBrain>not from the ground up
19:33<TrueBrain>just custom build :)
19:34<OwenS>They were; Intel never granted them the right to use their layout & circuitry; just their patents
19:34<TrueBrain>but okay .. it is also thanks to that, that x86 is so common :)
19:34<OwenS>Thats a good thing? x86 sucks :p
19:34<TrueBrain>might be, but having all those different shit is even worse :)
19:34<TrueBrain>ther eis a reason Apple is using x86 too now :)
19:34<OwenS>If we standardized on ARM it would rock :p
19:34<TrueBrain>dunno
19:34<TrueBrain>I rather have we did computers all over
19:35<TrueBrain>and make them 3bit
19:35<TrueBrain>like the russian did
19:35<TrueBrain>(that is, -1/0/1 per bit)
19:35<TrueBrain>tribits? What was the name ..)
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19:35<OwenS>With the K5 AMD had a crap in house design team; therefore it sucked. With the K6 (Or was it K7?) AMD picked up DEC's Alpha design team on the cheap and started producing better designs
19:36<OwenS>Thats why early AMD CPUs used the Alpha's bus :p
19:37<Eddi|zuHause>my advanced algorithsms professor was into coins, and he once calculated that a trinary coin system (i.e. coins of values 3^n) would be the best in a cash based pay X, return Y system
19:37<TrueBrain>trinary, thank you, that was the term I was looking for :)
19:37<TrueBrain>'trit' as alternative for 'bit' :)
19:37<OwenS>Yeah, it was the K7 the alpha guys took over; Socket/Slot A used the Alpha ev8 bus :p
19:38<TrueBrain>trit based systems are various of factors faster
19:38<TrueBrain>but because it was russian, it never became anything real
19:38<OwenS>They're also horrible to implement in logic because transistors don't like that kind of thing :p
19:38<Eddi|zuHause>politics getting in the way of development... not the first time...
19:39<TrueBrain>OwenS: trits produce faster results, better results, less power consumption, ....
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19:39<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: what? it's dead simple to pass +5V, 0V or -5V through an electric circuit
19:39<OwenS>Not with MOSFET based logic (I.E. current IC processes)
19:39<Uberzten>wow
19:39<TrueBrain>just because we are so used to binary shit .....
19:39<Uberzten>hard stuff
19:39<OwenS>You'd need two lines to make trinary logic work fast
19:39<TrueBrain>welcome Uberzten
19:40<Uberzten>ty
19:40<TrueBrain>OwenS: all designs I have seen, don't require that
19:40<Xaroth>right
19:40<TrueBrain>just you have to stop thinking in bits ;)
19:40<Uberzten>someone planning a competive ottd server?
19:40<Xaroth>time to sleep while machine compiles mono svn head :/
19:40<TrueBrain>Xaroth: good luck :)
19:40<Uberzten>im dying to playing on a good one
19:40<Eddi|zuHause>you need an additional layer for the -5V power supply, but the rest is simple...
19:41<Xaroth>TrueBrain: i'll need it if i ever want to get this damned thing to work again
19:41<Eddi|zuHause>Uberzten: this channel is more about development than playing...
19:41<TrueBrain>Xaroth: hehe :) And send EA a message? :p
19:41<Uberzten>yeah
19:41<Xaroth>meh, first chat with boss about it
19:41<TrueBrain>Uberzten: and on this time, not many will feel like a game .. but who knows ;)
19:41<TrueBrain>Xaroth: :) :)
19:41<Uberzten>develope a competive server
19:41<Uberzten>like Kurt's
19:41<Uberzten>WHERE IS KURT? :(:(:
19:41<OwenS>Not really... Your transistor counts go up, leakage current goes up.. Terneray logic is horid on CMOS processes
19:41<Eddi|zuHause>he never was here, we don't know.
19:42<Uberzten>arrrgh
19:42<TrueBrain>OwenS: in tinary, leakage goes DOWN :)
19:42<Eddi|zuHause>there was a project called "open hard goal", but i think it died
19:42<Uberzten>yeah
19:42<OwenS>TrueBrain: Has anyone implemented a trinary circuit on CMOS?
19:42<Uberzten>i tryed to follow it
19:43<TrueBrain>sorry, I Thought your 'leakage' was unrelated to cmos
19:43<TrueBrain>as that I wouldn't know
19:43<Uberzten>but it seemed like they didnt care that much about it
19:43<Eddi|zuHause>well, i'm afraid you're out of luck then...
19:43<Uberzten>:(
19:44<Uberzten>and what is these guys talking about?
19:44<OwenS>TrueBrain: Leakage is a big issue for CMOS; It's predecessor logic types (NMOS and PMOS were much worse and much more limted); their predecessor (Bipolar Junction Transistors) was current driven and absolutely abysmal for it. But with CMOS, it's very efficient when saturated and terrible inbetween
19:44<Uberzten>computer or irl electronics?
19:44<OwenS>IRL electronics
19:44<Eddi|zuHause>electric circuits using tri-state bits
19:44<Eddi|zuHause>spinoff from google reacting on bing ;)
19:45<TrueBrain>OwenS: so your claim is that when using CMOS for binary, it should be used for ternary? :)
19:45<TrueBrain>(sorry, I miss why you want CMOS involved in this conversation :p)
19:45<Uberzten>i think it should be used for quadnary
19:46<OwenS>TrueBrain: As I said, the other available technologies are worse. NMOS and PMOS are dead (Useless for analog anyway; beaten by CMOS for digital), Bipolar is only used in analog circuits because it consumes lots of current and can suffer latch-up and thermal runaway
19:46<TrueBrain>OwenS: read up on ternary components
19:46<TrueBrain>they are much more efficient in general
19:47<TrueBrain>either way, ternary development stopped somwhere in the 60s
19:47<TrueBrain>I believe there were some attempts in the 70s
19:47<TrueBrain>and now it is just all down to theoretic
19:47<OwenS>OK... So no real work on it since the transistor :p
19:47<Uberzten>did you wikipedia it?
19:47<TrueBrain>simply because the market is dominated by binary
19:47<TrueBrain>OwenS: enough theory about it :)
19:48<TrueBrain>http://www.springerlink.com/content/h41v140837113441/
19:48<TrueBrain>to give a simple example
19:48<TrueBrain>(just a random public document)
19:48<OwenS>The other thing is ternary logic has bad noise immunity relatively. Which is a real problem with 90nm and smaller processes
19:49<TrueBrain>OwenS: from what I have read in the last few years, ternary has LESS noise problems
19:49<TrueBrain>the reason it would be so useful ..
19:49<TrueBrain>even for that time (the 60s), ternary was faster than binary
19:49<OwenS>Ternary involves having transistors on, half on or off. half on is a place transistors don't like being. Thermonic Valves are less picky
19:50<TrueBrain>fun fact: they have new binary transistors, which don't leak at all :p
19:50<OwenS>Thats very impressive bcause thats theoretically impossible. Unless they're made of vacuum. Which they can't be
19:51<TrueBrain>optical :)
19:51<OwenS>Aah
19:51<TrueBrain>you think WAY too much inside a small box :)
19:51<Uberzten>what if it was made of wood?
19:51<TrueBrain>then it would be heavy
19:52<OwenS>A transistor is a semiconductor electonic component. An optical switch should be named something else
19:52<TrueBrain>they are called optical transistors, sorry, can't help that
19:52<TrueBrain>btw, hits quantum field
19:52<TrueBrain>but that is besides the point :p
19:52<Uberzten>semiconductor.. hmm.. it think i saw that word in civilization III
19:53<TrueBrain>either way, OwenS, read a few good documentation and papers about ternary computer
19:53<TrueBrain>you will be suprised
19:53<TrueBrain>don't assume too much about what would happen and what would be needed
19:53<Eddi|zuHause>Uberzten: possibly you meant supraconductor
19:53<TrueBrain>remember that we live in a binary world, and many of our solutions are inside tha tworld. Ternary gives a whole different world with completely different solutions :)
19:53<OwenS>I'll admit they have advantages implemented with valves. But I don't imagine us going back to machines which have an MBTF of a few hours :p
19:53<Uberzten>mby i did
19:54<OwenS>MTBF**
19:54<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: You mean superconductor? :p
19:54<Uberzten>super
19:54<TrueBrain>just because in the 60s we decided to go binary, doesn't mean we wouldn't have found perfect solutions for ternary :)
19:54<Uberzten>yeah
19:54<Uberzten>that was the tech
19:54<Uberzten>is that something else?
19:54<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: dunno, it's called "Supraleiter" in german
19:54<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Superconductor = conductor with zero resistance
19:55<TrueBrain>so Superconductor ;)
19:55<TrueBrain>OwenS: _almost_ zero :p
19:55<Uberzten>dunno what a conductor is in norwegian
19:55<TrueBrain>if we are nitpicking :p
19:55<OwenS>TrueBrain: OK, infinitely close to zero :p
19:55<TrueBrain>as zero would be BAD!
19:55<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: i know what it is.
19:55<OwenS>I'll admit perfect superconductivity occurs only at absolute zero. And you can never reach absolute zero :p
19:55<Uberzten>omgasskickinguberconductor
19:55<Uberzten>would that be something?
19:56<TrueBrain>OwenS: I hope we never reach it :)
19:56<TrueBrain>UBER conductor
19:56<TrueBrain>I like :)
19:56<Uberzten>:)
19:56<Eddi|zuHause>fun fact, wherever "über" appears in an american TV show, it's translated as "super" in german :p
19:56<OwenS>TrueBrain: Me too. But room temperature (as opposed to high temperature) superconductors would be nice :p
19:56<TrueBrain>at my university, they do a lot of levitation experiments .. pretty funny :p
19:56<Uberzten>can we talk about something i understand, im boored
19:57<TrueBrain>didn't they made progress in that depertmant?
19:57<TrueBrain>so because you are bored we have to lower our level to your plain, Uberzten?
19:57<TrueBrain>sounds egocentric :)
19:57<OwenS>They're getting hotter. But I'd appreciate something which won't kill my arm :p
19:57<TrueBrain>define: kill your arm?
19:57<Uberzten>yeah, i think thats fair, im am the noobie here
19:57<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: i believe they're somewhere near 100K currently
19:57<TrueBrain>a knife killsy our arm :)
19:57<OwenS>TrueBrain: Freeze it non-restorably :p
19:57<Eddi|zuHause>which is not necessarily closing up on room temperature yet :p
19:58<TrueBrain>OwenS: hmm ...
19:58<OwenS>When I was at Duhram university's physics department they were (after the superconductivity demo) giving out liquid N² cooled ice lollies, lol
19:58<TrueBrain>you can touch liquid nitrogen
19:58<TrueBrain>still it doesn't kill your arm (instantly)
19:59<OwenS>TrueBrain: Plunging your arm into it is probably not wise :p
19:59<TrueBrain>as 'demo' we show first graders what you can do with it
19:59<TrueBrain>let them take of their rings
19:59<Uberzten>OwenS how did they taste?
19:59<Eddi|zuHause>wait... it doesn't work like on TV?!?
19:59<TrueBrain>put it over their hands
19:59<TrueBrain>no problem what so ever
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19:59<OwenS>Uberzten: Like normal ones. Just more likely to stick to your toungue
19:59<Uberzten>cool
19:59<TrueBrain>just never ever let them close their hands
19:59<OwenS>Yeah, I know people can put liquid nitrogen in their mouth to create a smoke breathing effect. Just don't swallow it :p
19:59<TrueBrain>it is cool when it touches dust (on the floor)
20:00<TrueBrain>it becomes .. weird ..
20:00<OwenS>Haha I saw that in the chemistry department :p
20:00<TrueBrain>it starts dancing around eachother
20:00<TrueBrain>very pretty sight
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20:00<Uberzten>they shoould do a freezing show on discovery channel
20:00<TrueBrain>well, it can touch your hand as there is a small layer between the cold stuff, and your hand
20:00<Uberzten>where they test stuff like that
20:00<Uberzten>like timewarp
20:00<TrueBrain>Uberzten: they do
20:00<OwenS>I mean seriously... they must have emptied a significantly portion of the decanter :p
20:00<Uberzten>no, i dont mean mythbusters
20:01<TrueBrain>still, they do
20:01<Uberzten>h3_h3
20:01<TrueBrain>there are tons of programs which show the effects of liquid nitrogen
20:01<Uberzten>BRANIACS
20:01<Uberzten>?
20:01<TrueBrain>OwenS: well, as I said here before, we have those big containers with liquit nitrogen in them
20:01<Uberzten>not miami ink i suppouse
20:01<TrueBrain>once a valve was broken
20:01<TrueBrain>too much presure inside the container
20:01<TrueBrain>auto-release
20:01<TrueBrain>big POEF
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20:01<OwenS>Uberzten: Brainiac is a show about blowing up caravans :p
20:02<TrueBrain>10 cm of 'smoke' on the ground
20:02<TrueBrain>was very chilly :)
20:02<Uberzten>indeed, orudge
20:02<Uberzten>OwenS
20:02<Uberzten>smashlab is even better on it
20:02<TrueBrain>lovely stuff .... :)
20:02<OwenS>I heard about a university where the liquid nitrogen can's release valve broke. The bottle took off like a rocket and blasted it's way through 3 concrete floors
20:03<TrueBrain>happens :p
20:03<TrueBrain>bad deisgned container, but okay :)
20:03<OwenS>No. Repair work by a cowboy :p
20:03<Eddi|zuHause>hm... is there kopete for kde4?
20:03<TrueBrain>(our have 2 release valves; one on the normal valve itself, against overpresure and stuff .. normally releases a bit every N minutes (you scare yourself to dead the first time))
20:04<TrueBrain>the second is on the container itself, built-in
20:04<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Yes. It's called Kopete :p
20:04<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: install a real desktop
20:04<Eddi|zuHause>then why did it not install it when i installed kde4?
20:04<OwenS>Silly distro?
20:04-!-Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit []
20:04<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: no, that would be silly :p
20:04<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause:virus:command:install:kopete
20:04<TrueBrain>there you go
20:05<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, nice idea, i give you root access on my machine ;)
20:05<TrueBrain>you have OpenTTD installed, right?
20:05<TrueBrain>then don't worry about giving that to me :)
20:05<TrueBrain>ghehehehe
20:06<Eddi|zuHause>hehe ;)
20:06<TrueBrain>you think I am joking? Owh ..
20:06<Eddi|zuHause>err... somehow ktorrent just crashed...
20:06<TrueBrain>I guess it is time to make a CVE
20:06<Eddi|zuHause>that was you!
20:07<OwenS>I also heard about a chemistry lab where a guy knocked the valve clean off a H2SO4 tank. They needed a new lab afterwards :p
20:07<TrueBrain>pompiedom
20:07<Eddi|zuHause>admit it!!
20:07<TrueBrain>I neither admit, nor deny!
20:08<TrueBrain>I love how South Park can show that something is really wrong by doing it really explicit in the direction it is current going
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20:08<TrueBrain>(I love not being able to find the english words)
20:08<OwenS>TrueBrain: You mean like they do with Scientology? :p
20:09<TrueBrain>hehe
20:09<TrueBrain>now watching the episode about Indian healing
20:09<TrueBrain>I love it :)
20:09<OwenS>They did it... and didn't get sued because they told the honest non-exagerated truth. And it still sounded ridiculous.
20:09<Uberzten>like with the genetic research?
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20:09<Uberzten>where cartman sells notfinished babys
20:09<TrueBrain>OwenS: well, that is South Park always. They make fun of it by giving the truth ... in its admost positive way
20:09<TrueBrain>Uberzten: more on your level?
20:10<Uberzten>indeed, TrueBrain
20:10<OwenS>The level has dropped quite a bit :p
20:10<TrueBrain>yeah, I had to search really hard to drop this low
20:10<TrueBrain>but South Park it is
20:10<Uberzten>posetively for mee
20:10<TrueBrain>meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
20:10<Uberzten>lol
20:10<TrueBrain>I was going to watch a movie
20:10<TrueBrain>bah
20:11<TrueBrain>OwenS made me look into ternary shit again :)
20:11<TrueBrain>maybe I should build a ternary computer for my master thesis :p
20:11<Uberzten>why can there by so many smartguys in here and not one fun ottd server?
20:11<TrueBrain>LOL!!! Cherokee hair tampons
20:11<Aali>you'll find that smart guys and "fun" do not go well together
20:11<Aali>:P
20:12<OwenS>Uberzten: What is your definiton of fun?
20:12<TrueBrain>the commercial in SouthPark is really a back-reference to some idiotic thing in the episode :p
20:12<TrueBrain>(it has real people for a chance :p)
20:12<TrueBrain>Uberzten: those 'smart' guys do develop the game for you :)
20:12<OwenS>Well, some of them :p
20:12<TrueBrain>yeah ... now I come to think of it
20:12<TrueBrain>none of us do
20:12<TrueBrain>hmm ..
20:12<Uberzten>a good rating system with different goals and a webpage
20:12<OwenS>I've developed non-accepted patches :p
20:13<TrueBrain>I developed accepted patches
20:13<TrueBrain>TONS of them :p
20:13<Uberzten>like Kurts
20:13<OwenS>You had a 5 year head start :p
20:13<OwenS>Well, not so much, maybe a 4 yeard head start :p
20:13<Uberzten>thats why you are nicking TrueBrain
20:13<Uberzten>a bit cocky imo
20:13<TrueBrain>the truth has to be told
20:13<TrueBrain>I can't help that
20:14<TrueBrain>OwenS: took me 6 months to get my first patch in I believe :p
20:14<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: Commit by translators :: r17156 /trunk/src/lang (4 files in 2 dirs) (2009-08-11 17:45:14 UTC)
20:14<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
20:14<OwenS>TrueBrain: Well my first patch added NAND signals and was voted too confusing (for the user :P )
20:14<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: dutch - 290 changes by miloiw
20:14<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: finnish - 38 changes by jpx_
20:14<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: indonesian - 11 changes by fanioz, prof
20:14<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: malay - 5 changes by rionix88
20:14<TrueBrain>@calc 2045 / 17156
20:14<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 0.119200279785
20:14<TrueBrain>12% of the commits are mine! :p
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20:14<TrueBrain>ah, you were the NAND guy :p
20:14<TrueBrain>at least allowed logic circuits :p
20:15<Uberzten>so all you guys in this channel is just developing patches, not making hardcore train systems?
20:15<Uberzten>*dissapointed*
20:15<TrueBrain>the only thing I do hardcore is ..
20:15<TrueBrain>well .. lets not go there
20:16<Uberzten>eating icecream?
20:16<OwenS>Uberzten: Last week I worked on a 1ktrain system in #openttdcoop :p
20:16<Uberzten>hrhrhr
20:17<TrueBrain>either way
20:17<TrueBrain>I wish you all a good night
20:17<Uberzten>whats that?
20:17<Uberzten>openttdcoop
20:17<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause / OwenS: thanks for the conversation :)
20:17<Uberzten>TrueBrain, not me?
20:17<OwenS>:)
20:17<TrueBrain>Uberzten: good luck complaining about the level in this channel :)
20:17<Uberzten>i have som very interesting opinions you know
20:17<TrueBrain>Uberzten: at a given level, it no longer is a conversation, but just a mix of words and lines :p
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>hey, i have programmed an accepted patch
20:18<Uberzten>talking about cocky
20:18<Eddi|zuHause>and one where the basic idea got introduced
20:18*TrueBrain hugs Uberzten
20:18<TrueBrain>welcome to #openttd :)
20:18<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: baisc idea of WHAT? :)
20:18<Uberzten>:D
20:18<Eddi|zuHause>well, i programmed a prototype patch called "middle stop"
20:19<TrueBrain>ah :p
20:19<TrueBrain>well, this cocky person goes to sleep now
20:19<Eddi|zuHause>an people really liked it, so someone made a real patch out of it ;)
20:19<TrueBrain>so I wish you a very good night :)
20:19<Eddi|zuHause>which is now in the game ;)
20:19<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: good night (and morning as you'll probably miss it)
20:20<OwenS>Well, good night
20:20<TrueBrain>tnx Rubidium
20:20<TrueBrain>you too, get some sleep :)
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21:28<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r17157 /trunk/src/ (58 files in 5 dirs): -Add: localised decimal separator
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21:35<Eddi|zuHause>what do we need a decimal separator for?
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21:41<SmatZ>Eddi|zuHause: size of downloads
21:42<SmatZ>or do you mean generally?
21:42<Eddi|zuHause>ahh, yes, didn't think of that
21:42<Eddi|zuHause>all ingame numbers i could think of didn't have fractional values
21:43<SmatZ>:)
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22:53<@Belugas>that's it... go to sleep all! let me have no fun when coming in, finally!
22:53<@Belugas>prrrrrrt
22:55<Eddi|zuHause>good day to you, too, sir :)
22:56<@Belugas>heheh
22:56<@Belugas>a live Eddi|zuHause at this time
22:56<@Belugas>like... normal!
22:56<Eddi|zuHause>but really, it's 5AAM
22:56<@Belugas>hello Eddi|zuHause. good day to you too
22:56<@Belugas>time for you to hit thebed?
22:57<Eddi|zuHause>yes, 4 hours ago...
22:57<@Belugas>i'm checking mail@work
22:57<@Belugas>your train obsess youi still?
22:58<Eddi|zuHause>no, not right now...
22:59<Eddi|zuHause>i need to organise my final exams, but i'm unable to write emails...
22:59<@Belugas>??
23:03<Eddi|zuHause>to get a date for an exam i need to ask the professor which holds it, and for that i have to go to his office or write him an email
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23:14<@Belugas>ho
23:14<@Belugas>lovely
23:15<@Belugas>go on, sir. Youhave my full support
23:15*Belugas now retreats to bed
23:15<@Belugas>bye bye
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