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---Logopened Tue Sep 08 00:00:36 2009
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01:11<imlost>i think theres a bug with "transfers". i currently have 4 stations. A transfers to B. B transfers to C. C transfer to D(Unloads). For some odd reason, i get negative from 5 to -15. from point B to point C, i see transfer (35,000).
01:12<imlost>img40.imageshack.us/img40/930/bugxc.jpg picture to better understand.
01:13<Tefad>imlost: maybe the short run isn't very profitable
01:13<Tefad>the credits from the prior transfer outweight what this one makes
01:13<Tefad>etc.
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01:29<imlost>i took out C and C only holds the item (in this case Coal)
01:29<imlost>i have updated the picture aswell. img40.imageshack.us/img40/1724/bugukl.jpg
01:30<imlost>i still recieve negative funds.
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01:40<imlost>mediafire.com/?sharekey=f63c8830edea7d81d6baebe61b361f7ce04e75f6e8ebb871 Here is the sav. mid left side of the map is the location. company: american trans. auth.
01:41<imlost>server im currently on: amron 24/7 (1961-2050)
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01:53<planetmaker>morning
01:53<planetmaker>imlost: I'm pretty sure that your problem is the usual and intended behaviour of transfer orders
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01:58<imlost>i usally get this bug with vehicles but not with trains.
01:59<imlost>what the vehicle did was pick up passengers where i tell it to transfers. takes it back to where its suppose to load then drops them off where they were picked up and i get negative.
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02:02<imlost>maybe B to C then C to D is the problem. Back tracks.
02:05<planetmaker>imlost: yes, that's by design and not a bug
02:06<planetmaker>transfer money assumes the same delivery speed for each leg than the first one
02:07<planetmaker>if you continue with lower speed, less money, sometimes negative will be paid, if already more than the trip is worth was paid to vehicles which transported the carge before.
02:07<planetmaker>...the overall trip...
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03:16<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r17470 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r17460): possible crash when overbuiling rail by station
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03:54<Terkhen>good morning
03:57<Doorslammer>Oh, question about the nightly
03:57<Doorslammer>Erm, which link is the Windows zip?
03:58<planetmaker>the one which has win(dows) in its name
03:59<Doorslammer>Oh, something odd must have just happened
03:59<Doorslammer>Just refreshed and the ton of links have disappeared now, revealing the lone Windows link :/
03:59<planetmaker>actually there are more than one windows build.
03:59<Doorslammer>Very strange
03:59<planetmaker>but naming is quite obvious
04:01<Doorslammer>Oh well, problem solved
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05:47<dihedral>dummdidumm
05:56<@petern>you are?
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06:00<Eddi|zuHause>yes, he definitely is ;)
06:04<@petern>that's independent verification, that is
06:12<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17471 /trunk/ (10 files in 5 dirs): -Change: when removing a station or waypoint keep the rail unless Ctrl is pressed. This makes the behaviour consistent between the two.
06:14<Eddi|zuHause>that sounds cool
06:14<Eddi|zuHause>now also allow modification of a station while a train is waiting ;)
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06:34<dragonhorseboy>hry
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06:44<Xaroth> < Eddi|zuHause> now also allow modification of a station while a train is waiting ;) << yes puhlease :o
06:47<dragonhorseboy>hey xaroth and eddi
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07:35<dihedral>well hello Bjarni
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08:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17472 /trunk/src/ (industry.h industry_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#3182]: industry list was rebuilt too early during industry removal causing the removed industry to be still in the list after removal
08:27<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17473 /trunk/src/ (company_base.h company_cmd.cpp graph_gui.cpp): -Codechange: use the post destructor for destroying companies too instead of complicating the graph GUI invalidate code.
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08:32<@Bjarni>hello dihedral
08:33<planetmaker>:-O
08:33<planetmaker>Hello Bjarni :-)
08:33<@SmatZ>welcome Bjarni
08:34<@Bjarni>it's bad that I have to be ill to find time to come here >_<
08:34<planetmaker>-.-
08:35<planetmaker>get well soon, though, despite :-)
08:35<dihedral>no!
08:35<dihedral>dont! :-P
08:35<@Bjarni>you want me to die?
08:35<@Bjarni>that will not solve anything
08:36<planetmaker>what is the thing which needs solving in the first place? ;-)
08:36<@Bjarni>font selection for OSX
08:36<@Bjarni>:P
08:36<planetmaker>:-P
08:37<@Bjarni>I will be back in 10 minutes (or something)
08:38<@Rubidium>I'd say: fix FS#2782 ;)
08:40*Rubidium wonders what illnesses make you want to be on IRC
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09:06<dihedral>the irc deficit syndrome :-P
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09:06<dihedral>"idf" .... aka "i die first"
09:06<dihedral>oh
09:06<dihedral>s
09:06<dihedral>fuck
09:06<dihedral>i die second then :-P
09:07<@Bjarni>back
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09:18<@Belugas>helloo
09:18<Terkhen>hi Belugas
09:18<@Bjarni>hello Belugas
09:21<dihedral>hey ho
09:22<dihedral>pawpaw
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09:32<@Belugas>hey hey guys
09:41<Xaroth>lo Belugas
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09:55<mib_y6vk5k>Howdie! OSX 10.5.6 fails with ICU via 'port'. This mostly because config.lib tells --ldflags-libs-only, while port installs icu in /opt/local/lib which is not normally in the lib-search-path
09:56<+glx>I had no problems with ICU on 10.4.8
09:56<mib_y6vk5k>and I have with 10.5.6 :p Ghehe :)
09:56<mib_y6vk5k>clean install
09:56<mib_y6vk5k>adding icu-config --ldflags-searchpath
09:56<mib_y6vk5k>fixes
09:57<mib_y6vk5k>+it (darn, typing is hard today)
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09:57<mib_y6vk5k>the rest compiles fine (on a retail system) :) (well, that shouldn't be any real suprise I guess, but okay)
09:57<+glx>hmm hidden TB ?
09:58-!-mib_y6vk5k is now known as TB
09:58<TB>blame mibbit
09:58<TB>or Eddi|zuHause
09:58<TB>pick one
09:58<Eddi|zuHause>yes, blame me.
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09:58<@Rubidium>so... why icu-config doesn't have --ldflags-searchpath?
09:58<TB>either way, bbl, I have a 10.6 system to get functional :)
09:58<@Rubidium>s/why/which/
09:58<TB>Rubidium: here it does
09:58<TB>then I don't get your question at all :p
09:59<TB>--ldflags btw does give a bit too much shit :p
09:59<@Rubidium>well, given icu's "stability" in API... when did they add that --ldflags-searchpath to icu-config
10:00<TB>I hope at the same time when adding ldflags-libsonly ;)
10:00*glx boots tiger
10:01<TB>either way .. 10.5.8 and 10.6.0 .. bbl :)
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10:05<Eddi|zuHause>yes. tell yourself that often enough and you might believe that. :p
10:09<@Belugas>or we might start doubting our current impression :)
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10:26<Eddi|zuHause>hm... what's the easiest way to truncate a file?
10:27<+glx>rm ?
10:27<dihedral>echo "" > file
10:27<Eddi|zuHause>i have a file of size A, and want to drop all content behind B
10:28<Eddi|zuHause>so that i have a file of size B now
10:28<Eddi|zuHause>without processing all data until B
10:28<Eddi|zuHause>(big file)
10:29<@Rubidium>truncate?
10:29<Eddi|zuHause>i don't have such a command
10:29<+glx>oh I know why I don't have problems with icu, it's because libpng or libfreetype adds -L/opt/local/lib
10:30<+glx>indeed png and freetype both adds that
10:30<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: then use an OS that has them :)
10:30<@Rubidium>it's in coreutils
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10:32<Eddi|zuHause>nope...
10:32<@Rubidium>http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/truncate.c
10:33<@Rubidium>http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/man/truncate.x <- their manpage looks kinda empty
10:34<@Rubidium>http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/coreutils.html#truncate-invocation <- that's a better manual
10:35<Eddi|zuHause>it's definitely not in my coreutils
10:35<@Rubidium>get a newer one; it is in mine
10:35<@Rubidium>and I am running Debian ;)
10:36<Eddi|zuHause>nor in any other package
10:36<Eddi|zuHause>i have opensuse 11.0
10:36*Rubidium got coreutils 7.5
10:37<Lakie>Isn't 11.1 the latest?
10:37<Lakie>With 11.2 coming out in Nov
10:37<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: you need at least coreutils 7.0
10:38<@Rubidium>(from 11 months ago)
10:38*Lakie has never had any real problems with opensuse and library / ulity versions unlike when I tried ubuntu...
10:38<@Rubidium>poor Eddi. 11.1 still has 6.12
10:38<Eddi|zuHause>i seem to have 6.11
10:40<Eddi|zuHause>so, apparently installing coreutils 7 is not the fastest way
10:41<@Rubidium>hexedit $partition_table?
10:42<Eddi|zuHause>i'd like a way that is less likely to horribly screw up :p
10:42<@Rubidium>dd if=<file> of=<other_file> bs=1 count=<#bytes>
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10:43<@Rubidium>or open in hexedit, go to the location where to truncate and use its truncated feature
10:44<Eddi|zuHause>all hexedits i know try to read the whole file into memory
10:44<@Rubidium>tb: http://rbijker.net/openttd/ought_to_help_mib_y6vk5k.diff <- needed a version bump
10:44<tb>LOL! :)
10:44<tb>so why not .. only add it for 2.2, and allow 2.0 nevertheless?
10:44<+glx>[16:29:59] <+glx> oh I know why I don't have problems with icu, it's because libpng or libfreetype adds -L/opt/local/lib
10:44<+glx>[16:30:42] <+glx> indeed png and freetype both adds that
10:45<tb>glx: here freetype didn't for sure
10:45<@Rubidium>ah well, by now you could've just compiled coreutils 7.5' truncate
10:45<tb>but I don't know who installed freetype and glx :)
10:45<+glx>I used macports to get all require libs
10:46<tb>I only installed 'subversion' and 'icu', the rest was already there by then :p
10:46<tb>and indeed, freetype and png are already there .. I guess by xcode
10:47<+glx>subversion installs a lot
10:47<tb>yup, but not those 2 for 10.5 at least :)
10:48<+glx>I though svn was already installed in 10.5
10:48<@Rubidium>tb: not supporting 2.0 is easier and who still uses 2.0? (2.2 is over 7 years old, 2.0 almost 8 years)
10:48<tb>yes: 1.4.4 is :p
10:48<tb>Rubidium: so in that case your patch looks fine ;)
10:48<+glx>too old ;)
10:48<tb>libpng is in xcode
10:49<tb>in the 10.5 SDK
10:49<tb>Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk/usr/X11/lib/libpng.dylib <- to be exact
10:49<tb>btw, installing subversion 1.6.4 takes FOR EVER
10:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17474 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix: in some cases compilation failed because the search path for ICU wasn't added to the ldflags
10:49<+glx>I know :)
10:49<tb>tnx Rubidium
10:50<+glx>many packages to build
10:50<tb>and it compiles them all :)
10:50<tb>I got the feeling of Gentoo :p
10:50<tb>but okay .. 10.5.8 also almost up and running
10:51<tb>10.6.0 doesn't want to boot with my current bootloader .. need to replace it :p
10:52<tb>You can use the same booter partition for both Leopard and the recent Snow Leopard; <- yeah, finally :)
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10:58<CIA-1>OpenTTD: glx * r17475 /trunk/src/os/windows/ (crashlog_win.cpp ottdres.rc.in): -Codechange: show path to crash.log and crash.dmp in crash window. Also tells the user where crash.sav is when saving succeeded.
11:00<@Rubidium>woei :)
11:00<Eddi|zuHause>yay. i now successfully installed coreutils 7.0 ;)
11:01<+glx>now if they can't find them, we can call them stupid :)
11:08<tb>we do that anyway
11:08<tb>installing zlib .. pff ..
11:09<tb>TAKES LONG! (I love to translate things wrong)
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11:19<planetmaker>hahaha :-) even though in an unusual case the letters, a different colour than usual and abbreviated, it became quite clear who tb might be ;-)
11:19<planetmaker>after only reading 3 lines :-P
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11:37<mib_xjamez>Rubidium: icu-config is fucked here
11:37<mib_xjamez>it doesn't add a space :p
11:37<mib_xjamez>$ icu-config --ldflags-searchpath --ldflags-libsonly -L/opt/local/lib-licui18n -licuuc -licudata
11:37<mib_xjamez>-L/opt/local/lib-licui18n -licuuc -licudata
11:37<mib_xjamez>which of course doesn't compile ;)
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11:37<mib_xjamez>so you need to call icu-config twice :(
11:38<@Rubidium>fokkers
11:38<mib_xjamez>I tend to agree
11:39<mib_xjamez>if you btw only compile zlib with 'port', things fail too :p (as zlib doesn't insert search-path)
11:39<mib_xjamez>but okay .. people should just install ICU :p
11:39<mib_xjamez>bbl, going to try to boot to 10.6 now
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11:42<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17476 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix (r17475): Some icu-configs have the 'feature' of not adding a space where others do add the space
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11:55<TrueBrain>stupid 10.6 doesn't want to boot
11:56<TrueBrain>a driver crashes p
11:57<TrueBrain>tnx btw Rubidium
12:00<+glx>it was 17474 not 17475 ;)
12:03<@Rubidium>and you couldn't tell me that when I was writing the commit message?
12:03<TrueBrain>oeh, I know that answer!
12:04<@Rubidium>scrap OSX support?
12:04<TrueBrain>no
12:04<TrueBrain>the answer was: no, he couldn't tell you when you were writing the commit message
12:04<TrueBrain>dah! :(
12:05<TrueBrain>k, patched up a few drivers
12:05<TrueBrain>lets try 10.6 again :)
12:11<@Bjarni>is there a problem with 10.6 and OpenTTD?
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12:11<@Rubidium>it's the eternal problem with OSX and OpenTTD
12:11<@Rubidium>doesn't want to be virtualised
12:11<@Bjarni>I meant something that's not present in 10.5 :p
12:12<@Rubidium>besides them messing with the headers in 10.6?
12:12<@Bjarni>ohh
12:12<@Bjarni>>_<
12:15<@Rubidium>although that's likely solved by messing with the CF and the newer SDK
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12:15<@Rubidium>to get a cross-compile to fail in a similar way to so it then can be fixed/hacked around
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12:47<mib_jkbr8c>hmm, I love pizza.
12:47<mib_jkbr8c>That said: 10.6 runs :)
12:48<@Rubidium>:)
12:48<mib_jkbr8c>(the 64bit kernel, I believe)
12:48<mib_jkbr8c>lol, installing XCode gives the posibility to install 10.4 SDK, but no longer 10.3.9 SDK :p
12:48<mib_jkbr8c>ghehehehe
12:49<mib_jkbr8c>guess part of the 'Intel only' shit :p
12:49<@Rubidium>the 10.4u SDK is used for 10.3.9
12:49<mib_jkbr8c>hmm .. 10.6 really looks very much like 10.5 .. in so many ways :(
12:49<mib_jkbr8c>Rubidium: yeah, but in 10.5 you can explicitly install some 10.3.9 thingy
12:50<@Belugas>pizza.. perfect meal for the programmer on the run
12:50<@Belugas>coffee.. perfect drink for the programmer on the stale
12:51<@Belugas>break.. perfect moment for the programmer on a breakdown
12:51<mib_jkbr8c>crazy .. perfect description for Belugas
12:51*mib_jkbr8c hugs Belugas
12:51<@Bjarni><mib_jkbr8c> lol, installing XCode gives the posibility to install 10.4 SDK, but no longer 10.3.9 SDK :p <-- actually Xcode only contains the "new" SDKs. There is an optional package to install SDKs for older OSes
12:51<@Belugas>:)
12:51<@Bjarni>you might have to download them for free from Apple though
12:52<@Bjarni>iI think you can still get an 10.1 SDK if you like
12:52<mib_jkbr8c>the longer, the better kext I find, the better my system runs :) Now all that remains is my video and my audio .. :p
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12:53<mib_jkbr8c>glx: 10.6 has svn 1.6.2 by default, so that is a lot better :)
12:53<+glx>don't forget to update flash ;)
12:54<mib_jkbr8c>there were no udpates .....
12:54<+glx>10.6 comes with an outdated unsecure version
12:54<mib_jkbr8c>nice!
12:54<mib_jkbr8c>png .. zlib .. all default installed
12:55<mib_jkbr8c>no ICU :p
12:57<@Rubidium>the real question is: does OSX support languages like Hebrew and Arabic?
12:57<@Bjarni>I think so
12:57<@Bjarni>checking
12:57<mib_jkbr8c>Rubidium: Korean for sure, I noticed that
12:58<mib_jkbr8c>the 10.5 series on my disk have that language, this 10.6 doesn't .. going to try to install those now :)
12:58<@Rubidium>Korean isn't in the same class as Hebrew and Arabic
12:58<mib_jkbr8c>Japanese
12:58<mib_jkbr8c>Chinese
12:58<@Rubidium>neither in the same class
12:58<@Bjarni>There is a Hebrew keyboard layout
12:58<@Rubidium>http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html doesn't list any RTL languages
12:58<@Bjarni>Arabic too
12:58<mib_jkbr8c>Rubidium: then: no
12:59<mib_jkbr8c>it isn't in the default installer anyway
13:00<@Rubidium>glx: but... OSX is "Highly secure by design"
13:00<mib_jkbr8c>Rubidium: it is in the list of Language selection
13:00<@Bjarni>Looks like I can write RTL
13:01<@Rubidium>then why a) doesn't it include ICU and b) doesn't it list it on their website?
13:01<@Bjarni>...
13:01<mib_jkbr8c>okay, I am now going to activate a RTL language .. lets see what happens :p
13:02<mib_jkbr8c>oh, 2 processes are still running (ICU install and a new 10.6 install :p)
13:03<mib_jkbr8c>33 minutes left for the latter .. so in 33 minutes I will be trying that :p
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13:04<@Bjarni>http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/enhancements-refinements.html <-- read "Bidirectional text"
13:06*Rubidium ponders counting OpenTTD's improvements the Apple way
13:07<@Bjarni>I still lack a "this is why YOU should upgrade" text
13:08<@Rubidium>where changing a single default means a single improvement
13:08<@Rubidium>Bjarni: that's because you're using a PPC mac :)
13:08<@Bjarni>actually I sold that one
13:13<mib_jkbr8c>4 minutes left ..
13:13<mib_jkbr8c>it is like Windows :)
13:13<mib_jkbr8c>well .. in reverse, I guess ;)
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13:21*Belugas is watching over which slr camera to buy. such a boring job... when you think you've got it, there is that little stuff that bugs you to look for another one..
13:21<@Belugas>i knwo what i wold like to have, a canon rebel xsi. but that is the one my wife has. and she does not want me to have the same :S nor the same brand
13:21<@Belugas>like.. that is SOOOOO easy!
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13:25<Wolf01>hello :D
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13:25<mib_6ttome>hmm .. it looks like rtl languages are just shows ltr
13:25<mib_6ttome>the problem is that I can't read what language I really have selected, so I can't be 100% sure if it is rtl
13:25<mib_6ttome>but it looks arabic :p
13:25<mib_6ttome>btw, 10.6 64bit fails to compile OpenTTD :p
13:26<mib_6ttome>:/Volumes/OSX-Shared/OpenTTD/10.6.0/src/strgen/../os/macosx/osx_stdafx.h:30:3: error: #error "Compiling 64 bits without _SQ64 set! (or vice versa)"
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13:27<mib_6ttome>detecting cpu-type... 64 bits .. and that is correct ...
13:27<Eddi|zuHause>arabic looks like this: تظاهرات مردم بعد از اعلام نتایج انتخابات 23 خرداد
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13:27<mib_6ttome>Eddi|zuHause: I know how it looks like .. yet I can't be 100% sure it is arabic I selected, and not some sub-language
13:27<frosch123>[19:23] <Belugas> i knwo what i wold like to have, a canon rebel xsi. but that is the one my wife has. and she does not want me to have the same :S nor the same brand <- make her a gift and buy her a new one, then take the old
13:27<mib_6ttome>(which might be ltr, for all I care)
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13:28<mib_6ttome>i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5646)
13:29<mib_6ttome>specs show it can produce 64bit
13:29<Eddi|zuHause>(what i pasted is most likely not arabic anyway)
13:29<Eddi|zuHause>(more like farsi)
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13:31<mib_6ttome>for now, lets assume osx_stdafx.h is wrong
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13:31<mib_6ttome>objs/lang/strgen: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64 <- clearly the compiler produces 64bit
13:32<@Bjarni>Belugas: having the same one could be beneficial. There are two identical phones in my household. They can use the same charger and stuff. The trick is that they have different colours so we can tell them apart
13:32<mib_6ttome>Rubidium: http://paste.openttd.org/216779 <- I guess that gives something to think about?
13:32<@Bjarni>I see no reason why you shouldn't have the same one if you need to have two and you found one you like
13:32<@Belugas>hey frosch123: doubtfull she'll be pleased... she just love her current one...
13:33<mib_6ttome>(mostly that seemly the dylib was not static :p)
13:33<mib_6ttome>maybe I should have added --static ...
13:33<@Belugas>reason is simple: she does not want that we share the accessoires (read lenses and filters) with the risk of me breaking them
13:33<@Belugas>dhu...
13:33<@Bjarni>mib_6ttome: so far --static have broken more stuff that it fixed so I haven't used it
13:34<mib_6ttome>http://paste.openttd.org/216780 <- also special for you Rubidium :)
13:34<@Bjarni>Belugas: so do you have a history of breaking lenses?
13:34<@petern>Bjarni, "has"
13:34<mib_6ttome>Bjarni: well, as icu is not on any normal OSX system, I somehow do think there is some kind of static compiling going on .....
13:35<@Bjarni>mib_6ttome: you should use the static libs for icu, not static in general
13:35<@Bjarni>it shouldn't be too easy :P
13:35<@Bjarni>hmm
13:36<@Bjarni>or maybe you should try --static and see how it works in your end
13:36<mib_6ttome>Rubidium: 64bit is 1 minute 30 slower in compiling ;)
13:36<mib_6ttome>I rather not check how things are _IN_ my end
13:36<@Bjarni>hehe
13:37<mib_6ttome>now lets see what happens when I reboot in 32bit mode ...
13:37<@Bjarni>neither would we :P
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13:38<@Belugas>Bjarni, no, but she does not want to determine if it is a valid fear or not
13:38<@petern>Belugas, let me guess, you're at work?
13:38<@Belugas>when yu know the proce of thoses lenses... you can understand that
13:38<@Belugas>at 1:38h pm? yup
13:38<@Belugas>sadly
13:38<@Bjarni>heh. I say the ability to share lenses is really a great argument for using the same camera
13:43<TrueBrain>how cool, a 32bit kernel which can run 64bit executables :)
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13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r17477 /trunk/src/lang/ (13 files): (log message trimmed)
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: afrikaans - 36 changes by Maccie123
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: catalan - 2 changes by arnau
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 1 changes by Gavin
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: english_US - 115 changes by agenthh
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by glx
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13:50<TrueBrain>on a side note: OSX doesn't run with 128 MB RAM :p
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13:51<@Bjarni>OSX works with 128 MB RAM, but then you have to use 10.0 or 10.1 or something
13:51<TrueBrain>sometimes ... the inteligence of people still amaze me
13:51<@Bjarni>but if you have a CPU, which is new enough to execute Snow Leopard then you should have way more memory than that
13:51<TrueBrain>either way, bubye all :)
13:52<@Bjarni>...
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13:57<Eddi|zuHause>Bjarni: it's not about the amount of physical ram, it's about defining a maximum size for the VM
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14:04<@Belugas>ooouch... Nikon d20... wonderful beast... not so wonderful price :S
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14:05<frosch123>i though you work in the right department for such tasks?
14:05<Eddi|zuHause>:)
14:07<Eddi|zuHause>if name="Belugas" then price/=10;
14:07<@Belugas>most of our customers are selling shoes and clothing
14:07<@Belugas>NONE are in electronics
14:07<@Belugas>nor diving...
14:07<@Belugas>nor music
14:07*Belugas cries
14:08<Eddi|zuHause>then buy shoes and resell them ;)
14:08<frosch123>shoes? can you trade the camera with your wife?
14:11<@Belugas>buwhahahah!!!!
14:11<@Bjarni>lol
14:12<@Bjarni>now that's a stereotype to put on somebody's wife, whom you never met :)
14:12<@Bjarni>somehow Belugas doesn't strike me as a guy who would marry a shoe fanatic
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14:13<Prof_Frink>Bjarni: What, he's gay?
14:14<@Belugas>yeah, i'm secretely gay and i've married a woman who actually looks like a boy
14:18<Eddi|zuHause>cool, when's the operation?
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14:24<@Belugas>when chicken will grow teeth!
14:26<Yexo>http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/16000/rare-chicken--16109.jpg
14:26<@Belugas>Norstar00
14:27<@Belugas>AlpahBeTaOmega2000
14:27<@Belugas>GetTheHellOutOfHereZeor00
14:27<frosch123>the chickens are very fast these days
14:28<Eddi|zuHause>hm... watching a horror movie parody twice is actually fun... you notice some details that you missed
14:28<Eddi|zuHause>like the license plate saying "S-AW 1408"
14:29<frosch123>what move? scary movie IX ?
14:29<Eddi|zuHause>no... pro 7 funny movies
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14:37<@Belugas># Oh Lord, there ain't not heaven!
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14:44<_ln>19:58:55 <@Rubidium> http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html doesn't list any RTL languages <--- i suppose that's the list of languages the user interface is available in
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14:48<_ln>hej, Bjarni
14:51<@Bjarni>hello _ln
14:52<@Bjarni><Prof_Frink> Bjarni: What, he's gay? <-- are you saying that gay people have no interest in fashion or shoes?
14:52<_ln>Prof_Frink: DON'T ANSWER
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14:54<_ln>Bjarni: du har sålt din PPC? :(
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15:12<@Belugas>identity crisis ^_^
15:16<Eddi|zuHause>i hate full recompiles
15:17<Eddi|zuHause>especially when they're only because of some osx crap
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15:17<planetmaker>Belugas: new install :-)
15:17<planetmaker>and... inability to get everything right in the first place.
15:17<planetmaker>And good evening to you ;-)
15:18<_ln>yeah, OS X is the one to blame
15:18<@Belugas>samo to you, mister
15:19<planetmaker>_ln: well. maybe. But I guess it's rather system independent as chatzilla behaves the same everywhere.
15:22<zachanima><blatant copy> alright, I'm going to ask a possibly stupid question. Why are there separate String ID text files (ie. src/lang/esperanto.txt) when they all use (or should use, I think) the same identifiers?
15:22*Belugas kicks the clock big time, frustrated to see it going so slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
15:23<@Belugas>stupid question indeed, zachanima
15:23<Yexo>zachanima: I don't understand your question, all language files use the same identifiers
15:23<planetmaker>zachanima: uhm? Different languages?
15:23<@Belugas>they are used for translation
15:23<@Belugas>the id is what is commun
15:23<@Belugas>and link all languages toguether
15:23<zachanima>oh, wait. That really was a stupid question. My vim buffer wasn't wide enough to show the translations
15:24<zachanima>ignore the above
15:24<zachanima>=D
15:24<@Belugas>to late!
15:24<@Belugas>too
15:24<zachanima>D=
15:24<+glx>next time think a little more before asking ;)
15:26<zachanima>I did think. Quite a bit, indeed. Just not enough to think that more was hidden behind the dark edge of the buffer - after all, all StringIDs were neatly finished and nothing hinted at the lines being longer than that
15:26<zachanima>=(
15:27<planetmaker>except the fact that it wouldn't make sense ;-)
15:27<zachanima>hence my sensing a need to ask. And look, it worked!
15:32<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: for the first you probably didn't add the right architectures to the icu lib you compiled. Secondly you're using a 'beta' version of ICU and I haven't been able to cross-compile ICU 4.2 yet. The latter... you're the first to notice that that might need 'the other' cast
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15:33*planetmaker also needs still icu...
15:35<@Rubidium>planetmaker: devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/apple-darwin9.tar.bz2 has the libs for the CF; you might need to remove some stuff though
15:36<planetmaker>I need darwin10 ;-)
15:36<planetmaker>and last time I installed icu from the sources which worked fine
15:36<@Rubidium>planetmaker: the 9 is just 'bogus'
15:37<planetmaker>:-) Ok, I shall get that then. I guess that has all dependencies of OpenTTD?
15:37<@Rubidium>yup, for ppc, 'ppc g5', ppc64, i386 and x64 (or whatever they're called exactly)
15:38<planetmaker>sounds good.
15:38<planetmaker>and like what I want :-)
15:38<planetmaker>adding all that to the 5GB of my ottd folder... I guess it'd double it :-)
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15:40<@Rubidium>then bz2 must be awfully impressively good in compressing
15:41<planetmaker>hm... I understand it right, that I can copy the stuff right into the folders like they're named?
15:42<@Rubidium>well, for the CF it has to be extracted in /usr/
15:42<planetmaker>and /lib/
15:42<@Rubidium>then add /usr/apple-darwin9/bin to the path
15:43<@Rubidium>planetmaker: you'll end up with /usr/apple-darwin9/usr/include etc.
15:43<Wolf01>'night
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15:43<planetmaker>ah, that way you do it.
15:44<@Rubidium>at least that's how it's done in the CF to keep it out of the 'normal' gcc
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15:44<planetmaker>making it vice versa sounds the more reasonable approach here :-)
15:46<planetmaker>but if I'm (un)lucky, macports will have half of it already installed while installing mercurial
15:46<@Rubidium>the icu in that tarball is a... uhm... very light version; only has 1 of the 4 or so libs
15:47<planetmaker>he...
15:47<@Rubidium>http://rbijker.net/openttd/ports/osx/build-icu
15:48<planetmaker>so the rest is, concerning OpenTTD, quite non-needed...
15:48<planetmaker>at least libiconv is now already done.
15:51<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: does http://rbijker.net/openttd/const_cast.diff fix the cast warning?
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15:52<planetmaker>sounds like the place where I have one, too
15:52<PeterT>!password
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15:53<PeterT>gah, i cant read
15:54<planetmaker>do you want that statement commented?
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15:55<@Bjarni>planetmaker: no... it's enough to log it for quick reference in the future
15:55<planetmaker>I agree.
15:55<planetmaker>Does Dorpsgek have @quote
15:55<planetmaker>@quote
15:55<planetmaker>hm. no :-)
15:58<@Belugas>what happened to you, petern?
15:58<@Belugas>oups..
15:58<@Belugas>sorry..
15:58<@Belugas>what happened to you, PeterT?
15:58<PeterT>what?
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15:59<PeterT>Belugas: what?
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16:00<@Bjarni>Belugas: there is no reason to write to PeterT. We already know he is unable to read anyway :P
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16:00<PeterT>I keep geting #openttd and #openttdcoop mixed up
16:01<@Belugas>ho
16:01*Belugas sends you some glasses
16:02<@Rubidium>maybe we ought to +q him :)
16:02<@Rubidium>well... not we, you... I don't see him anyways :)
16:03<PeterT>what does it matter if I !password, dorpsgek kicks me, I realize what channel I'm in
16:03<PeterT>then I go to the correct one
16:04<@Belugas>there is a maximum of 10 kicks.
16:04<@Belugas>after that, you're banned
16:05<PeterT>automatically or is that the new rule?
16:05<Yexo><@Rubidium> maybe we ought to +q him :) <- /me sometimes wishes the forum had that function
16:05<@Rubidium>Belugas: then why hasn't he banned yet?
16:05<@Belugas>:D
16:06<@Belugas>agreed with Yexo
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16:10<Eddi|zuHause>i wish the forum had a useful ignore function
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16:11<PeterT>Add Foe
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16:12<Eddi|zuHause>i know that. and it is useless
16:12<Yexo>PeterT: if you have nothing usefull to say, please don't make a reply at all (for example: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=816429#p816429)
16:12<Eddi|zuHause>brb, screwing up my system. (aka installing kernel)
16:12<@Rubidium>Yexo: just report those kinds of posts
16:13<PeterT>Rubidium: I'm fixing it
16:13<PeterT>does rubidium see me when I highlight him?
16:13*Rubidium heards some mods don't like back seat moderation
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16:14<Xaroth>Rubidium: you ignored him didn't you? :P
16:14<Yexo>well, "back seat moderation" is quite vague, and often a small reply from a non-mod helps to keep a topic in shape
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16:19<PeterT>Yexo: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=816429#p816429
16:19<frosch123>let's do some backseat coding
16:20<Xaroth>PeterT: next time just don't post at all? I recall a certain moment not too long ago giving you that hint.. yet still you do it?
16:20<PeterT>ok, I will delete the post
16:20<Xaroth>you can't 'delete' the post
16:20<Xaroth>just.. don't do it again?
16:21<Xaroth>Making mistakes isn't wrong, not learning from made mistakes, however, is.
16:21<PeterT>ok, I will not do it again
16:22<PeterT>I'm off for now, will be back later
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16:22<PeterT>and please, no "THANK GOD HE'S OFF!"
16:22<Xaroth>THANK GOD HE'S OFF!
16:22<Terkhen>:D
16:22<Xaroth>.. you asked for that, really
16:22<planetmaker>thank god
16:22<Yexo>Xaroth: he isn't off yet
16:22<Eddi|zuHause>THANK GOD HE'S OFF!!1!11einself
16:22<Xaroth>Yexo: so?
16:23<Eddi|zuHause>of course the ATI module does not compile for the new kernel!
16:23<Xaroth>heh
16:23<Yexo>nothing really, and he did indeed ask for that :)
16:23<Eddi|zuHause>and i can't update the ati module, because support for my card has been dropped...
16:23<Xaroth>:)
16:23<Xaroth>Eddi|zuHause: sucks to be your kernel then :o
16:23<Xaroth>I sense it getting stabbed some time soon
16:24<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: long live ATI/AMD :)
16:24<frosch123>[22:24] <Eddi|zuHause> THANK GOD HE'S OFF!!1!11einself <- hmm, actually does anyone know whether eleventyone originates from lord of the rings, or is it older
16:25<Eddi|zuHause>i don't know... i only heard it in lotr-related contexts
16:25<frosch123>well, i had the book at hand some days ago, and bilbo turns eleventyone at the party
16:26<Eddi|zuHause>but it's very likely that this is an old form of forming numbers
16:26<Eddi|zuHause>yes. that's the place
16:26<@Rubidium>http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eleventy <- says eleventy comes from Old English
16:26<Eddi|zuHause>like the french way of saying "eighty" (as "4 times 20")
16:27<Eddi|zuHause>was also used in other places ("6 times 20" being 120, etc.)
16:27<@Rubidium>evelenteen is used in the 1600s
16:27<Eddi|zuHause>but that usage disappeared over time
16:27<Eddi|zuHause>Tolkien was a language professor, after all
16:28<Eddi|zuHause>so it makes sense that he refers to such ancient language features
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16:28<@Rubidium>yup, fairly sure it's him just using old words
16:28<Eddi|zuHause>like the rohirrim speaking old english
16:29<Eddi|zuHause>some critics say he only wrote the novels so he had a place where his languages could play ;)
16:29<Eddi|zuHause>i didn't actually read the books, nor did i watch the films in english...
16:30<Eddi|zuHause>but some bits and pieces you hear from all sides
16:32<_ln>Eddi|zuHause: i was taught in the university that the rohirrim didn't use any french-originating words (in the books at least).
16:33<Eddi|zuHause>that makes sense, because old-english was spoken before the invasion of 1066
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16:34<Eddi|zuHause>there are a few bits of old english in the movie, and in the sound track
16:34<@Rubidium>eleventy comes from old times when there was a base-12 number system
16:34<frosch123>[22:31] <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't actually read the books, nor did i watch the films in english... <- well, it was "einundelfzig", but i generally do not expect translators to come up with such :)
16:34<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r17478 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_changelog.hpp: -Document [NoAI]: descibe changes in subsidy logic in AI changelog
16:35<frosch123>[22:35] <Rubidium> eleventy comes from old times when there was a base-12 number system <- so twenty was actually 24 ?
16:35<@SmatZ>Terkhen: nice patch ;)
16:35<@Rubidium>frosch123: that the etymology dictionary doesn't say
16:35<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: no, those are two dozen... it wasn't actually called "twenty" then ;)
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16:36<Terkhen>thanks :)
16:36<Eddi|zuHause>but yes, the decimal system was not the only system used in history
16:36<Eddi|zuHause>the babylonian system used a base of 60
16:36<Terkhen>I think I got everything right :P
16:36<Xaroth>#openttd is off-topic as usual :P
16:37<Eddi|zuHause>pssst!!! don't jinx it
16:37<frosch123>yeah, i heard of that system, but noone ever knew, whether they had 60 symbols
16:37<Eddi|zuHause>no, they had two symbols, for 10 and 1
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16:37<Eddi|zuHause>the 1 system could be grouped in up to 9
16:37<Eddi|zuHause>and the 10 symbol up to 6
16:37<Chruker>doesnt openttd stand for open-talks-to-dudes?
16:38<Eddi|zuHause>so it would look like "3 times 10 plus 6" for 36
16:38<Terkhen>mmm... no, I didn't
16:39<@Belugas>dudes? certainly not
16:39<@SmatZ>:(
16:39<@Belugas>i hate the use of dudes.
16:39<Chruker>dudettes?
16:39<@SmatZ>Terkhen: no compile after applying to trunk
16:39<@Belugas>why not friends? pals?
16:39<@SmatZ>ah my fault
16:39<Terkhen>ok :)
16:40*SmatZ applies nested_querystring_r17477.diff
16:40<Terkhen>I'm missing a check to set the string to something when there's no more random town names available
16:41<@SmatZ>Terkhen: somehow, crash
16:41<Terkhen>:(
16:41<@SmatZ>segfault
16:41<Terkhen>okay, I'll get to it :P
16:41<@SmatZ> [07] ./openttd(_ZN15FoundTownWindow14PlaceProc_TownEj+0x14) [0x6b1214]
16:41<Eddi|zuHause>http://home.fonline.de/fo0126//geschichte/images/keilschrift.jpg <- babylonian digits
16:42<frosch123>hmm, that raises the question, did they use them as digits, or did they stop counting at 59 :o
16:43<Eddi|zuHause>yes, they used them as digits
16:43*SmatZ wonders how he would write 850
16:44<frosch123>and they could dinstringuish 20 from 610
16:44<Eddi|zuHause>yes, by adding spaces ;)
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16:44<Eddi|zuHause>or using a dot as 0
16:44*Belugas likes the maya system a lot more
16:44<Eddi|zuHause>(which is said to be the origin of the 0 symbol)
16:44<frosch123>SmatZ: <III <
16:45<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: they even used them to show fractional numbers, but i don't really know how they distinguished them
16:45<@SmatZ>frosch123: 13 10 ?
16:45<Eddi|zuHause>i've seen a plate that shows some trigonometric calculation
16:45<frosch123>@calc 13*60 + 10
16:45<@DorpsGek>frosch123: 790
16:45<frosch123>oh, i failed :(
16:45<@SmatZ>ah
16:46<@SmatZ>they used base 60
16:46<@SmatZ>interesting
16:46<frosch123>missed a "I"
16:46<frosch123>SmatZ: you don't know the evil 7 ?
16:46<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, 7 is the first number that does not divide 60 ;)
16:47<frosch123>resp. 60 is dividable by any number, except 7 :p
16:47<Chruker>@calc 60/7
16:47<@DorpsGek>Chruker: 8.57142857143
16:47<Xaroth>@calc 60/8
16:47<@DorpsGek>Xaroth: 7.5
16:47<Xaroth>@calc 60/9
16:47<@DorpsGek>Xaroth: 6.66666666667
16:48<frosch123>Xaroth: 2, 2, 3, 5
16:48<Eddi|zuHause>Xaroth: yes, but those are finite fractions in 60-system
16:48<frosch123>@factorise 60
16:48<frosch123>@factorize 60
16:48<frosch123>DorpsGek cannot do the most important tasks :(
16:51<Eddi|zuHause>m9: ``(2)^2*``(3)*``(5)
16:52<@SmatZ>frosch123: interesting
16:52<@Belugas>mmh... never knew babylonians could do fractions
16:52<@Belugas>interesting
16:52<Terkhen>SmatZ: what did you do to make it crash? I recompiled with the attached patches but I don't get any crashes while using it
16:52<@SmatZ>Terkhen: several times pressed "Randomize", then placed the town
16:52<@SmatZ>boom
16:53<@SmatZ>looks reproducible
16:53<@SmatZ>I don't even need to randomize new name
16:55<frosch123>night
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16:55<Eddi|zuHause>Belugas: it works like minutes are a fraction of hours, and seconds a fraction of minutes
16:56<Eddi|zuHause>(same way for angles)
16:56<@SmatZ>Terkhen: seems you are strdup()ing NULL string
16:56<@Belugas>and it's from them that we inherit our time calculations
16:56<@SmatZ>http://paste.openttd.org/216786
16:56<Terkhen>I can't reproduce it
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16:56<Terkhen>let's see
16:57<@SmatZ>maybe windows strdup handles NULL strings
16:57<Eddi|zuHause>the time calculation itself is fairly modern, but it's based on the babylonian system, yes
16:57<@Belugas>talking about the time, not the calendar ;)
16:58<Eddi|zuHause>yes, the time as in 22 hours, 58 minutes and 56 seconds
16:59<Terkhen>seems like that... I'll check everything then, it should not be hard to correct
16:59<Eddi|zuHause>hm, i was 6 seconds early ;)
17:01<@Belugas>night all
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17:07*Terkhen reboots
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17:07<TrueBrain>[19:57] <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: it's not about the amount of physical ram, it's about defining a maximum size for the VM <- thank you for explaining that, I couldn't bring myself to it :)
17:08<Eddi|zuHause>yes, i know that i'm too nice of a person
17:08<Eddi|zuHause>i can't really be a BOFH ;)
17:08<TrueBrain>[21:32] <Rubidium> TrueBrain: for the first you probably didn't add the right architectures to the icu lib you compiled <- on a 64bit (10.6) I tried to run the 10.5 binary; but clearly the icu was not static compiled. 4.2 is btw automaticly via macports
17:09<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: I can :)
17:09<TrueBrain>more every day
17:10<TrueBrain>VMWare really can't boot OSX :p
17:11<TrueBrain>Rubidium: all binaries you compile on a 10.6 seem to be 64bit by default. So in this case that is just bad luck :p No idea if you can make macports also compile the i386 version :p
17:11<Eddi|zuHause>hm... i must have installed some font package... everything looks different...
17:12<TrueBrain>hmm .. Local APIC version 0x11, 0x14 or more expected
17:12<TrueBrain>darn :p
17:12<planetmaker>viva la macports? ;-)
17:14<TrueBrain>macports is nice, sort of :)
17:15<TrueBrain>just that it always compiles shit, not so much .. and that it does the latest, not so much :)
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17:16<TrueBrain>what to do to fix that problem .. hmm ..
17:17<@Rubidium>replace it with the lib from the compile farm?
17:17<TrueBrain>my APIC problem ;)
17:17<@Rubidium>hmm... never mind, that won't work... stupid strict versioning of ICU :(
17:18<TrueBrain>Rubidium: btw, my main problem with ICU was the fact it tried to find the lib in the first place :)
17:18<TrueBrain>I mean ... no normal OSX systems have it installed
17:19<TrueBrain>so I wonder what goes 'wrong' there .. our assumption, or?
17:19<@Rubidium>huh?
17:19<TrueBrain>me install OSX retail
17:19<TrueBrain>me no libicu shit
17:19<TrueBrain>me start openttd, openttd tries to find libicu
17:19<TrueBrain>error
17:20<@Rubidium>uhm... we compile lib into universal binary (at least on the CF)
17:20<TrueBrain>Rubidium: lib, yes, but do we add that lib?
17:20<TrueBrain>else we need to staticly compile it into OpenTTD, right?
17:20<@Rubidium>yes, which is exactly what we do for OSX
17:21<TrueBrain>and that is what I mean, yes
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17:21<@Rubidium>for all libs except iconv, because OSX made (AFAIR) a mess of stuff
17:21<TrueBrain>Rubidium: and that is exactly what I was trying to say
17:22<TrueBrain>by default OpenTTD doesn't do it, so I was wondering if I should have added static or what ever
17:22<TrueBrain>of course a certain person immediatly told me I shouldn't, but clearly the CF does :)
17:23<@Rubidium>(and has been for as long as I remember)
17:23<Eddi|zuHause>"a certain person"... i wonder who could be meant :p
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17:25<@Rubidium>anyhow, does http://rbijker.net/openttd/const_cast.diff do the trick
17:26<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: was just avoiding a HL :)
17:26<Eddi|zuHause>yes, of course you were ;)
17:27<Eddi|zuHause>"Ein Schelm, wer böses dabei denkt."
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17:34<_ln>Rubidium's patch doesn't make any semantical difference, does it?
17:35<planetmaker>Rubidium: here it fixes the compile warning
17:37<TrueBrain>I can't find anywhere why my ACPI version would be wrong .. and why 10.6 complains, but 10.5 not (while both need 0x14 :p)
17:38<TrueBrain>Rubidium: I have to reboot to 10.6 to check that
17:38<TrueBrain>first trying out this stupid vbox :p
17:38<TrueBrain>but if planetmaker says it fixes it .. I believe him ;)
17:44<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17479 /trunk/src/os/unix/unix.cpp: -Fix: silence compile warning that's only triggered when you're using a broken iconv.
17:44<planetmaker>:-D
17:44*planetmaker breaks together :-P
17:45<planetmaker>and wishes all a good night.
17:45<TrueBrain>night planetmaker
17:45<Eddi|zuHause>gnarf... the open source driver has no acceleration to speak of...
17:46<@Rubidium>which of the two?
17:46<Eddi|zuHause>i can't even watch video/tv in full screen
17:46<Eddi|zuHause>hm. the radeon one, i believe
17:47<TrueBrain>what OS?
17:47<@Rubidium>linux-ish
17:47<TrueBrain>I can watch 1080i non-accelerated fullscreen just fine :)
17:47<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: with what driver exactly?
17:47<TrueBrain>only under windows I needed a real codec :)
17:48<@Rubidium>and are you talking about an ATI video card?
17:48<TrueBrain>I am talking about a non-accelerated video-card :p
17:48<TrueBrain>nowedays I got the dri to work :)
17:48<TrueBrain>Intel something
17:48<TrueBrain>I just meant to say my CPU does all the hard work :p
17:49<Eddi|zuHause>i don't exactly have a decent CPU either ;)
17:49<@Rubidium>that explains... the Intel drivers are generally good, whereas the ATI drivers are *all* crap in one way or another
17:49<TrueBrain>is it me, or are those recaptcha less and less useable?
17:49<TrueBrain>Rubidium: very true :) But even with the VESA driver loaded my movie playback looks good :)
17:49<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: why? I haven't seen spam on the wiki for a *long* time
17:49<Eddi|zuHause>well, the more intelligent machines get, the less efficient CAPTCHAs will be
17:50<TrueBrain>as human I have to press 'new' between 10 and 15 times, before I can enter the right values
17:50<Eddi|zuHause>we should switch to the kitten-captchas ;)
17:51<TrueBrain>STUPID LOCAL APIC! GIVE ME VERSION 0x14! Pff :(
17:54<Eddi|zuHause>http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/catalyst-old/catalyst-old/2.6.29.diff <- i wonder if that does any good
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17:56<TrueBrain>http://www.alternate.de/html/product/Grafikkarten_PCI/Sparkle/SF-PC84GS512U2LP/324106/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Grafik&l2=PCI-Karten <- that would do you very good
17:56<TrueBrain>(warning: random pick from alternate.de)
17:56<Eddi|zuHause>yes. but i'll need a whole new system anyway
17:56<Eddi|zuHause>i don't even have PCIe
17:56<TrueBrain>that is why this is about PCI :)
17:56<TrueBrain>and I am pretty sure you do have that :p
17:57<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, i'll try that patch first ;)
17:58<TrueBrain> case 0x03: /* version */
17:58<TrueBrain> val = 0x11 | ((APIC_LVT_NB - 1) << 16); /* version 0x11 */
17:58<TrueBrain>hardcoded return of version 0x11 .. hmm ..
17:58<@SmatZ>TrueBrain: impressive
17:58<TrueBrain>what is?
17:58<@SmatZ>I thought last PCI card was some GF5200
17:58<TrueBrain>oh, I have no idea what I gave him in that link :p
17:59<@SmatZ>I have 4000MX and it was one of last sold here
17:59<TrueBrain>just browsed a random PCI nVidia chipset :p
17:59<TrueBrain>+with
17:59<@SmatZ>:)
17:59<TrueBrain>so ... 10.6 doesn't want to boot with APIC 0x11 .. what to do .. what to do ...
17:59<@SmatZ>apart from MATROXes > 500Euro
18:00<_ln>Eddi|zuHause: have you considered buying a Mac?
18:01<Eddi|zuHause>over my dead body.
18:01<@SmatZ>hmm found "PowerColor HD2400 Pro 256MB , PCI" for ~30Euro
18:01<TrueBrain>cool, can I have it then?
18:02<Eddi|zuHause>you want my dead body?
18:03<TrueBrain>no, the mac you own by then
18:03<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: figure out what's the difference between 0x11 and 0x14, implement whatever is missing and change to 0x14
18:03<TrueBrain>Rubidium: no thank you :)
18:03<TrueBrain>isn't the APIC version in the DSDT?
18:04<@SmatZ>TrueBrain: I suppose you had a look into BIOS
18:04<Eddi|zuHause>SmatZ: it's a fairly abundant list http://www.alternate.de/html/categoryListing.html?cat1=009&cat2=041&cat3=000&&tn=HARDWARE&l1=Grafik&l2=PCI-Karten&
18:04<@SmatZ>like, I can change APIC version in BIOS
18:04<TrueBrain>this is VirtualBox .. everything is preset :(
18:04<@SmatZ>Eddi|zuHause: nice :)
18:05<TrueBrain>but okay, I can load the DSDT of my real machine into virtualbox ..
18:05<TrueBrain>nope, APIC version is not in the DSDT :)
18:06<TrueBrain>k, time to boot to OSX, and see if I can get my videocard to work :)
18:06<TrueBrain>have a good night all
18:07<@Rubidium>can't really find APIC being defined to any value in my dsdt
18:08<Terkhen>SmatZ: I have uploaded a new version, it should work now
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18:22<Eddi|zuHause>hm, i still can't compile fglrx with the patch above...
18:27<_ln>Guten 8.
18:27<TrueBrain>Rubidium: yeah, APIC is not defined via DSDT .. which is too bad, as I can fake thatone :)
18:27<Prof_Frink>_ln: Too busy playing with some big jugs anyway
18:28<TrueBrain>on a fun fact: installing 10.4.8, with 10.2 SDK :p
18:28<TrueBrain>no idea if that will ever boot
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18:29<TrueBrain>just downloaded an IRC client, which immediatly told me the trial was over :p
18:30<Xaroth>lol
18:30<TrueBrain>but I love my NX connection, now at least I just can IRC normally :p
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18:33<TrueBrain>permission errors all over the place ... sigh .. sucks ...
18:34<TinoDidriksen>Trying to Hackintosh in VirtualBox ?
18:35<TrueBrain>we are trying that for ages
18:35<TrueBrain>still no luck .. on simple things, mostly
18:35<TinoDidriksen>I don't recall anyone ever getting VirtualBox to work, but VMWare Server has been reported to work.
18:35<TrueBrain>no worries, we know
18:36<TinoDidriksen>Kinda intrigued, 'cause I've been trying to hackintosh my laptop for the past few days, with no luck...
18:36<TrueBrain>I have it running on my local system, no problem
18:37<TrueBrain>the biggest problem of all is getting an OSX on it for the first time .. after that, things are no real issue anymore
18:38<TrueBrain>so try any and all osx86 versions out there :) Leo4all, iDeneb, iPC, ....
18:38<TinoDidriksen>Getting it to boot is my issue. Installing is not an issue, but no matter which magic drivers I choose it panics...
18:38<TrueBrain>10.5.5 where possible, 10.5.6 if you need to
18:38<TrueBrain>panics on what?
18:38<TrueBrain>(the fact it detects your drive is 90% of the work :p)
18:38<TrueBrain>panics before or after [S0 S1 ...]
18:39<TrueBrain>and what CPU?
18:39<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r17480 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r17405): fast aircraft could get stuck flyin gin circles trying to reach a certain point
18:39<TrueBrain>Sep 9 00:39:03 osxs-Mac-Pro pkgExtractor[16940]: BomFileError 13: Permission denied - /Volumes/OSX-10.4.8//Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/._com.apple.Boot.plist <- lovely installers ....
18:42<TinoDidriksen>Intel C2D. I tried iPC, which would not install (DVD rebooted over and over), but iDeneb installs just fine, then stops at "MAC Framework successfully initialized, using 16384 buffer headers and 4096 clister IO buffer heads"
18:42<TinoDidriksen>+spelling
18:42<TrueBrain>hehe, a classic point, yes
18:42<TrueBrain>IDeneb 1.5.5 or 1.5.6?
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18:42<TrueBrain>(big difference, 1.5.6 needs DSDT patching, 1.5.5 is a bit easier)
18:43<TinoDidriksen>iDeneb 1.6, OS X 10.5.8, with DSDT patch included.
18:43<TrueBrain>try 1.5.5 :)
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18:44<TrueBrain>if you once can get an OSX running, you can try a vanilla OSX install (you want this, believe me :p)
18:44<TrueBrain>but you need HFS+ access to do that right :)
18:44<TinoDidriksen>I just want XCode to test code and make some dmg distributions.
18:44<TrueBrain>also, try booting with cpus=1, that fixed my initial boot problem :) (included the cpus=1 fix from iDeneb to make it permanent :p)
18:45<TrueBrain>that is all we want it for too ;)
18:45<TrueBrain>yet still no luck in virtualbox :(
18:45<TinoDidriksen>I tried cpus=1 -v -f -x and all those tricks...
18:45<TrueBrain>-f is bullshit, OSX does that kind of automatic
18:46<TrueBrain>Sep 9 00:42:15 osxs-Mac-Pro com.apple.kextd[961]: Can't create kext cache under / - owner not root. <- what? Owner of / not root? :p
18:46<TinoDidriksen>That should be easy to fix...
18:47<TrueBrain>whoho, 1 hit on google for my error ...
18:47<TrueBrain>Sep 9 00:42:16 osxs-Mac-Pro com.apple.kextd[961]: Can't load /Volumes/OSX-Shared/VoodooHDA/trunk/tmp/VoodooHDA.kext - validation problems.
18:47<TrueBrain>thatone
18:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17481 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r16998): in cases where the northern most tile of an airport-to-build didn't touch the station you wanted it to join, but another part did, it wouldn't join the airport to the existing station
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18:54<TrueBrain>I hate it when people make a forum post: just download the source and compile it for 64bit!
18:54<TrueBrain>when that completely fails :p
19:00<TrueBrain>haha, iTunes: do you want to accept? DECLINE
19:00<TrueBrain>restart, it never asked me again :p
19:01<TrueBrain>yippie, audio works :)
19:01<TinoDidriksen>Interesting legal loophole...
19:01<TrueBrain>I wonder if it also works over my fiber port
19:05<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r17482 /trunk/src/airport_movement.h: -Fix (r17405): helicopters were not able to land anymore on the intercontinental airport
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19:14<TrueBrain>now .. video ...
19:14<TrueBrain>much more important :p
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19:20<Eddi|zuHause>so... now i have seriously hacked this damn thing around any error...
19:20<Eddi|zuHause>this can't possibly be running :p
19:20<TrueBrain>hehe
19:21<Eddi|zuHause>fglrx: Unknown symbol flush_tlb_page
19:22<TrueBrain>bah bah bah, the video-driver for my card is only available in 32bit ...
19:23<TrueBrain>so, lets boot the 32bit kernel, see where that brings me
19:23<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: it is looking good! :p
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20:02<Terkhen>good night
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20:03<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r17483 /trunk/src/ (aircraft.h aircraft_cmd.cpp saveload/vehicle_sl.cpp): -Fix (r17405): when an aircraft starts flying in circles make it turn in the correct direction first before continuing
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20:21<Eddi|zuHause>so, that actually freezed my system :p
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20:48<Eddi|zuHause>i give up
20:48<Eddi|zuHause>i can't get this to work
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