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#openttd IRC Logs for 2009-09-16

---Logopened Wed Sep 16 00:00:00 2009
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00:17<nicfer>so, is there such a set like the one I asked?
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04:45<Terkhen>good morning
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06:06<fjb>Moin
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06:10<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17553 /trunk/src/newgrf_callbacks.h: -Update: some documentation about the callbacks
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06:15<pavel1269>hello
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06:42<umj>@seen dihedral
06:42<@DorpsGek>umj: dihedral was last seen in #openttd 17 hours, 59 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <dihedral> 40t 1hp :-P
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06:44<umj>@seen mark
06:44<@DorpsGek>umj: mark was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 10 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <Mark> the distance between the station signs
06:44<umj>@seen sirkoz
06:44<@DorpsGek>umj: sirkoz was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 33 weeks, 2 days, 11 hours, 53 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <SirkoZ> 90nite
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08:01<dihedral>heh - i missed umj :-(
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08:12<Eddi|zuHause>well, that was not very difficult :p
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08:21<dihedral>what's a good german translation for "filter string"?
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08:24*Muxy joe
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08:41<Eddi|zuHause>dihedral: i only have bad ideas... something between "Suchanfrage" and "Auswahlkriterium"
08:49<dihedral>Filter? :-P
08:49<dihedral>Suchen?
08:49<dihedral>i dont even know where it's used
08:54<dihedral>Rubidium, STR_LIST_FILTER_TITLE <- why "Filter String" and not "Search" ?
08:57<@Rubidium>why ask me?
08:58<blathijs>win 23
08:58<blathijs>crap
08:59<dihedral>true - i did not check who did it :-P
08:59<dihedral>i just had a wild guess :-D
08:59<dihedral>(that should make you feel special now :-D)
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09:09<@Belugas>hello
09:09<dihedral>hello Belugas
09:09<dihedral>@seen frosch123
09:09<@DorpsGek>dihedral: frosch123 was last seen in #openttd 19 hours, 21 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <frosch123> +'
09:12<Eddi|zuHause>out of context this looks like a very screwed up smilie :p
09:14<dihedral>+' was meant to be a smily?
09:18<Eddi|zuHause>maybe you need to read my sentence again
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09:27<LadyHawk>if he had the shift backwards it'd be =@ on my keyboard
09:27<LadyHawk>i mighta seen that once or twice
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09:43<Audigex>does anyone know of a build with one of the timetable seperation patches and cargodist?
09:43<Eddi|zuHause>no.
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09:45<@Rubidium>got to love answers that can be explained in two ways :)
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09:46<Eddi|zuHause>got to love questions that are undecidable ;)
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09:51<Audigex>?
09:51<Audigex>what's wrong with that question :(
09:51<Audigex>it's a simple "yes" or "no"
09:51<Audigex>with hopefully the "yes" also containing a link
09:51<Audigex>pah :p
09:53<@Rubidium>does anyone know Audigex's birth date? The answer would (likely) be "yes (Audigex knows)", but that doesn't give us your birth date
09:53<@Rubidium>it answers the question though
09:55<Audigex>i love doing that to my family
09:56<Audigex>although i've never had the nerve to do it to a stranger in the street
09:56<Audigex>"do you know what time it is?"
09:56<Audigex>*look at watch*
09:56<Audigex>"yes"
09:56<Audigex>*walk away*
09:56<@SmatZ>*slap*
09:56<Ammler>Rubidium: the server farm works again, I could now do more tests (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/ammler/)
09:57<Ammler>what I would like to do now, installing a 2nd version of openttd, is that possible? how?
09:58<Eddi|zuHause>name the package differently, and ./configure a different prefix?
09:59<Ammler>Eddi|zuHause: you mean, not installing to /usr/bin ?
09:59<blathijs>There has been some work on having a postfix, e.g. /usr/bin/openttd-trunk, but I'm not sure any of that stuff was ever committed
10:00<Ammler>yes, that is more what I was looking for...
10:00<Ammler>well, it is also needed for the data files, I assume.
10:00<@SmatZ>Ammler: maybe something like ./configure BIN_DIR=/usr/bin/openttd-0.7 or so?
10:01<blathijs>Ammler: Yup, though that probably means you want /usr/share/games/openttd-trunk
10:01<@Rubidium>./configure --binary-name=ooh-ammler
10:01<Ammler>:-)
10:01<@SmatZ>hmm not a good idea, it won't install to different dir
10:01<@Rubidium>./configure --binary-name=ooh-ammler --data-dir=please/use/configures/help/and/put/the/data/in/another/directory
10:02<Ammler>and the languages
10:02<@Rubidium>languages are data :)
10:02<Ammler>but I assume, it has also a parameter for it :P
10:02<Ammler>loh
10:02<@Rubidium>hmm, shouldn't have said that... configure's help does that already
10:03<blathijs>The only "problem" would be that you can't share the original ttd manner between both installs
10:03<@Rubidium>blathijs: technically you can :)
10:03<blathijs>(unless you put them in your homedir, and then you can't share them between users)
10:03<@Rubidium>with shared-dir
10:03<Ammler>Rubidium: symlink?
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10:03<blathijs>Rubidium: shared-dir?
10:05<@Rubidium>./configure --shared-dir=<foo> (primarily intended for MS' shared documents stuff)
10:05<@Rubidium>but it ought to work for unix too
10:06<blathijs>That means you just insert an extra datadir where data files are looked for?
10:06<blathijs>What's MS' shared documents stuff?
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10:07<@Rubidium>blathijs: yes, you add an extra data dir, although it's more like ~/.openttd than ~/.openttd/data
10:08<@Rubidium>blathijs: http://windowsdevcenter.com/windows/2006/08/08/graphics/figure_01.gif <- shared documents stuff like there
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10:19<Ammler>default shared-dir=data-dir ?
10:20<@Rubidium>default for non-windows is: nothing
10:21<Ammler>oh, well, doesn't matter
10:21<Ammler>it just is an additional folder it would look.
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10:21<Ammler>so you add --shared-dir to the data dir of the stable binary.
10:23<@Rubidium>I'd say: just try it. That's probably better explain it than us trying to explain it
10:24<Ammler>yes, I will, thanks.
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10:32<Eddi|zuHause>wtf was that?
10:33<@Rubidium>someone's pencil broke
10:33<@SmatZ>netsplit?
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11:07<dihedral>hehe mobile-phone companies are funny
11:08<dihedral>i quit a contract... just got a phone call from the company "what can we do to make you stay a customer with us"....
11:08<dihedral>"NOTHING"
11:08<dihedral>"ah - ok, why?"
11:08<dihedral>......
11:08<dihedral>"dont try - just hang up, i am not even interested!"
11:08<dihedral><click>
11:08<dihedral>:-D
11:09<@Rubidium>dihedral: that's bollocks, they can always make you an offer that makes you stay
11:10<dihedral>they can always try
11:10<@Rubidium>if they pay me 1000 euros now and 100 euros a month I'll happily keep my contract with them; for that I can buy a new phone and get a nice contract at another telco :)
11:10<dihedral>but i am not interested
11:10<dihedral>well - the people who call you most likely cannot make such an offer :-P
11:11<dihedral>+ if there were anything they could do for me, i'd probably have given them a call myself
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13:41<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17554 /trunk/ (known-bugs.txt readme.txt): -Update: documentation about bug reporting and known bugs
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13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r17555 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: czech - 4 changes by SmatZ
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: hebrew - 47 changes by dnd_man
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: russian - 3 changes by Lone_Wolf
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: vietnamese - 71 changes by nglekhoi
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13:58<Ammler>why isn't /usr/share/games/openttd a shared directory? Why does it need its own category?
13:59<@Rubidium>because it generally isn't needed
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14:00<Ammler>the shared directory?
14:01<@Rubidium>the install and home directory are in 90+% of the time more than enough
14:01<Ammler>yes, I just wonder, why you have a seperate category for linux
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14:01<@Rubidium>given the extremely small percentage playing stable *and* nightlies
14:02<@Rubidium>Ammler: huh? seperate category for linux?
14:02<Ammler>yes, shared directory for windows/osx and installation directory for linux
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14:03<@Rubidium>who gave you that knowledge?
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14:03<Ammler>readme.txt :-)
14:04<@Rubidium>because install directory and shared directory are conceptually different
14:05<@Rubidium>actually the readme is wrong
14:06<Prof_Frink>Good thing no-one reads readmes.
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14:08<Ammler>Rubidium: I guess "not available" is wrong?
14:09<Ammler>and that is the default location for the original data or opengfx or other not version dependent data.
14:09<Ammler>hmm
14:09<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17556 /trunk/readme.txt: -Fix (r12321): the OSX port doesn't use /Library/Application Support/OpenTTD.
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14:11<Ammler>but where is that?
14:11<@Rubidium>"that" being what?
14:12<Ammler>the location for version independend data.
14:12<Ammler>like opengfx
14:12<Alberth>for system-wide install, /usr/share, or /usr/local/share
14:12<@Rubidium>whereever OpenTTD can find it
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14:13<Ammler>Alberth: /usr/share/games/openttd is already used
14:13<Ammler>or can I use that for "other" data too?
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14:14<@Rubidium>yes, as long as OpenTTD can find it's language files
14:14<Sacro>Rubidium: its
14:14<@Rubidium>and that global directory has the newest data
14:15<@Rubidium>otherwise its going to get messy :)
14:15<Sacro>Rubidium: it's
14:16<Alberth>Ammler: I think all OpenTTD related data could be placed there in it's own sub-directory
14:16<Ammler>that wouldn't work, if you have 2 installs (stable and nightly)
14:17<Ammler>but that might not matter, as usually, you don't install 2 versions.
14:17*Alberth has > 6 versions :)
14:18<Ammler>but not installed :-P
14:20<Alberth>I don't have system-wide installs, only user installs. All dev versions share the same data, I also have a 0.7.2 version and a test-play version with its own config
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14:21<Ammler>making userinstalls with rpm seems almost impossible.
14:21<Alberth>You are fairly limited in your choices most likely, as OpenTTD should be able to find the files.
14:21<Alberth>yeah, that seems pretty difficult, but I have never tried it.
14:22<Alberth>I usually simply pull a source and build/install at user-level, leaving the system package manager using the 'official' distro packages only.
14:23<@Rubidium>each binary with its own install dir with version specific stuff, which is basically everything that is part of an OpenTTD release and use the shared directory for the rest OpenGFX, original files, etc.
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14:24<Ammler>Rubidium: do you have me the link to this fedora spec you once posted, again.
14:24<Ammler>a bit hard to find in the logs or I am looking for the wrong...
14:24<@Rubidium>if I knew what spec you meant, probably
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14:30<Audigex>stupid ghost command, sorry if anyone got flooded there
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14:33<Alberth>I just managed to hold on to the edge of the window
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14:48<Eddi|zuHause>hm... my system gets really unresponsive when copying large files... any suggestions to solve that?
14:48<@Belugas>faster HD?
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14:49<@Belugas>on a network?
14:49<@Belugas>use FTP then, like a background service
14:49<Eddi|zuHause>no. that does not help, i don't care how slow the file copy is, i want the rest of the system be usable
14:50<Eddi|zuHause>no, not network
14:50<@Rubidium>ionice?
14:50<@Rubidium>different io scheduler?
14:50<@Rubidium>different task scheduler?
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14:53<Eddi|zuHause>where do i find the schedulers?
14:56<@SmatZ>in kernel config
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15:01<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17557 /trunk/src/ (order_func.h order_gui.cpp timetable_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Pass left and right edge to DrawOrderString().
15:02<Eddi|zuHause>ah... /sys/block/$device/queue/scheduler
15:05<Eddi|zuHause>i can't figure out how ionice works...
15:06<L29Ah>Eddi|zuHause: that's a bug in linux kernel
15:06<L29Ah>http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13347
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15:11<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17558 /trunk/src/ (4 files): -Feature [NewGRF]: callbacks for houses to disable drawing foundations and to disable slope changes, like industry tile callbacks 30 and 3C.
15:11<Eddi|zuHause>and plasma-desktop is an extreme ressource hog... i should have stayed with kde3
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15:48<@Belugas>**blink** **blink**
15:48<@Belugas>a new feature
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15:52<planetmaker>o/
15:53<Noldo>what where?
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15:53<Prof_Frink>Belugas: You know what happens when you blink.
15:54<@Rubidium>you miss stuff
15:54<@Belugas>hem... yes... i can't see for a milli second
15:54<@SmatZ>:-D
15:55<Prof_Frink>That, and the weeping angels kill you. Nicely.
15:56<@Rubidium>Belugas: millisecond? More like hundreds of milliseconds
15:56<@Belugas>i'm tired... so milliseconds would be good enuf!
15:56<Prof_Frink>deciseconds.
15:56<@Belugas>plus... no coffee since 10:00h am
15:56<@Belugas>no time
15:57<Prof_Frink>Mmm, ten o'clock ham
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16:08<Eddi|zuHause>don
16:08<Eddi|zuHause>'t blink
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16:12<z-MaTRiX>hi
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16:15<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: do you prefer accessing 512 characters over blinking?
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16:17<mib_euqrai5h>zv
16:17<mib_euqrai5h>xv
16:17<mib_euqrai5h>zc
16:17<mib_euqrai5h>zxc
16:17<mib_euqrai5h>zx
16:17<mib_euqrai5h>czx
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16:18<@Rubidium>ooh... something to decypher
16:19<Prof_Frink>I think it translates as: "Ops to DEFCON 1 - prepare for spammers."
16:20<Chrill>To me, it looks like "I fail to run the TTRS with the Total Bridge Renewal Set - how do I do?"
16:20<Chrill>but I might be mistaken
16:21-!-Zahl [~Zahl@f051118072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*]
16:21<frosch123>"z" is no roman number symbol though
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16:24<andythenorth>evening
16:24<Dreamxtreme>evening
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16:31<Eddi|zuHause>i think he was saying his keyboard layout is wrong :p
16:32<Terkhen>hi andythenorth
16:33<andythenorth>evening
16:33<andythenorth>I am supposed to be testing improved RV acceleration aren't I?
16:33<andythenorth>I'd better go and remember how to compile :/
16:33<Eddi|zuHause>is that in trunk already?
16:33<andythenorth>!
16:34<andythenorth>time for happy world of svn
16:34<andythenorth>seems like my day job...
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16:36<Terkhen>andythenorth: thanks :)
16:36<Terkhen>Eddi|zuHause: I still have a lot of work and polishing to do
16:38<andythenorth>grr
16:38<andythenorth>svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.openttd.org': No route to host
16:38<andythenorth>probably my isp
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16:42<Ammler>does openttd have a target for uninstall or something like?
16:42<frosch123>never trust uninstall software
16:43<@Rubidium>there is no uninstall
16:43<Prof_Frink>What, not even `aptitude purge`?
16:43<frosch123>i only had once a virus on my disk. it was in some uninstall which i never executed :p
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16:44<andythenorth>right this is svn being batshit crazy. I *hate* svn
16:44<andythenorth>http://paste.openttd.org/216906
16:44<andythenorth>can anyone tell me what I'm doing wron
16:44<andythenorth>g
16:44<andythenorth>?
16:44<@Rubidium>andythenorth: got ipv6?
16:44<@Rubidium>i.e. try ping6 svn.openttd.org
16:45<andythenorth>pdq2s-macbook-3:OTTD andy$ ping6 svn.openttd.org
16:45<andythenorth>ping6: UDP connect: No route to host
16:45<@Rubidium>there's your problem
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16:46<Ammler>andythenorth: use hg :-)
16:46<andythenorth>hmm.
16:46<Eddi|zuHause>can't you tell svn to use ipv4 only?
16:46<Ammler>well, not the solution for your issue.
16:46<@Rubidium>Ammler: hg doesn't solve his IPv6 broken network
16:46<@Rubidium>unless hg doesn't support IPv6, in which case hg is broken too
16:47<Ammler>but maybe the solution for "I hate svn"
16:47<andythenorth>Ammler: I have 2.5GB of ottd source checked out in svn. I mean, it's only bandwidth, but it seems wasteful
16:47<andythenorth>I only hate svn because I haven't learnt it properly
16:47<frosch123>2.5GB? did you checkout every tag?
16:48<Ammler>frosch123: is it that big then?
16:49<Ammler>aren't those simple hardlinks
16:49<@Rubidium>not when svn does a checkout
16:49<andythenorth>frosch123: I guess I did
16:50<frosch123>you had spend the time better learning svn than wating on the checkout to complete then :p
16:50<andythenorth>yup
16:50<andythenorth>meanwhile I have to fix my network?
16:50<@Rubidium>just (temporary) disable IPv6
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16:54*Rubidium wonders whether we should hold a party to celebrate OSX rereaching the 25% of the open bugs are OSX bugs status
16:56<Prof_Frink>Rubidium: Nah, wait for 100%, then drop OSX support and release. Bugfree!
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16:57<@Rubidium>sad thing is that the number of open bugs is double that than the last time OSX has 25% of the open bugs :(
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16:58<Ammler>all bug reports without patch?
16:59<andythenorth>fun fun fun. svn.openttd.org used to work. I moved house. same isp. same adsl modem. same access point. same mac. no svn.openttd.org :(
16:59<andythenorth>my isp claim not to support ipv6.
16:59<andythenorth>but it used to work anyway. bizarre
16:59<andythenorth>time for some food
17:00<andythenorth>Prof_Frink might like to know that the bouldering centre in Bristol is good. But makes you hungry
17:00<@Rubidium>Ammler: at least without a patch that definitely fixes the problem and doesn't cause any other problems
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17:00<@Rubidium>furthermore, there doesn't seem to be anyone with the tools (read systems) to properly test the patches
17:00<@Rubidium>andythenorth: what OS are you running?
17:01<andythenorth>OS X 10.5.7
17:01<Prof_Frink>andythenorth: Nah, TrueBrain would be more interested in that.
17:01<Prof_Frink>I'm far more interested in going-to-the-Peak-this-weekend.
17:01<andythenorth>meh. outdoors. over-rated. full of rain. not enough hot tea
17:02<Prof_Frink>Rock > Plastic.
17:02<TrueBrain>I think Prof_Frink doesn't understand what fun is
17:02<Prof_Frink>Trad > Sport/Bouldering.
17:02<Prof_Frink>andythenorth: It was properly warm last Saturday.
17:02<@Rubidium>falling to death > falling to full paralysis?
17:04<Prof_Frink>Having said that, I am going to Sicily clipping bolts Saturday week.
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17:04*Belugas runs home... well... run... cannot describe that as running...
17:04<@Belugas>night all
17:04<@Rubidium>night Belugas
17:04<Alberth>night
17:05<Ammler>good night Belugas
17:05<Prof_Frink>andythenorth: Plus, outdoors has awesome sounding grades like "Hard Very Severe"
17:05<planetmaker>night Belugas
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17:13<Ammler>he, if I change --data-dir, it needs to compile the whole source again?
17:13<planetmaker>good night from here, too.
17:13<Ammler>gute Nacht planetmaker
17:15<Eddi|zuHause>Ammler: any reconfigure will trigger a full compile
17:15<Eddi|zuHause>as it will change the makefile
17:18<Ammler>./configure --binary-name=openttdcoop --data-dir=/usr/local/share/games/openttdcoop && make install as root
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17:18<Ammler>but there is no data there
17:19<Eddi|zuHause>i can't help with that.
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17:20<umj>dihedral
17:21<umj>@seen dihedral
17:21<@DorpsGek>umj: dihedral was last seen in #openttd 6 hours, 9 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <dihedral> + if there were anything they could do for me, i'd probably have given them a call myself
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17:23<Ammler>maybe someone should tell umj about email
17:23<Eddi|zuHause>yes, it was nice enjoying your company
17:25<andythenorth>goodnight
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17:26<Eddi|zuHause>hm... why is it, every time someone posts a picture of a "junction", i have the need to puke?
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17:27<Eddi|zuHause>(well, apart from that i generally have to puke when reading one of T1000's posts... http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=4090&pid=56694#pid56694)
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17:28<@Rubidium>maybe someone should tell Ammler about ./configure --help
17:30<Ammler>that wouldn't help :-(
17:31<Ammler>do you mean "..prefixed with the prefix-dir "?
17:33<Ammler>shouldn't that work anyway, in that case, it would make /usr/local/usr/local/....
17:34<Ammler>just telling someone about readme or --help isn't enough :-P
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17:36<@Rubidium>yes, it would be in /usr/local/usr/local/... unless install barfs on something
17:37<@Rubidium>although that would give a failure
17:37<@Rubidium>make VERBOSE:=1 does give you a better idea what actually happens
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17:39<Ammler>well, thanks, I liked to blame myself :-)
17:39<Ammler>meant, I should better read the output.
17:40<Eddi|zuHause>maybe configure could do some sanity checks, when prefix is a prefix of data-dir, it could warn
17:41<fjb>Eddi|zuHause: What do you expect from somebody not even able to write something you can read and is even proud of that?
17:41<Ammler>hmm, now the folder is there
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17:41<Ammler>with data, but I only have one language, looks like russian or something
17:43<Ammler>hmm, maybe an other issue with the binary...
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17:45<Ammler>he, everything fine :-)
17:45<Ammler>I screwed up the cfg with the non-working version before.
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17:52<Eddi|zuHause>hm... i can't figure out to build a regexp which matches any word containing "abc" but not containing "xyz"
17:53<Eddi|zuHause>what i built does work with "abcxyz", but not with "abcxxyz"
17:54<@Rubidium>I'm wondering whether it's actually possible
17:55<Eddi|zuHause>well, it's easy with two regexpses
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17:56<Eddi|zuHause>i mean like "grep abc | grep -v xyz"
17:56<Eddi|zuHause>but i can't figure out how to do it with one
17:56<Eddi|zuHause>if it's possible to do with two finite automatons, it is possible with one as well
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17:58<Eddi|zuHause>sadly, regexpses have only an invert-operation on character level
17:58<Eddi|zuHause>so it's difficult to construct
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18:20<Terkhen>good night
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18:24<@Rubidium>did I scare him away?
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18:41<Ammler>Eddi|zuHause: [^(xyz)]?
18:41<Eddi|zuHause>Ammler: no, that is not valid
18:42<Eddi|zuHause>Ammler: within [] you may only give a list of characters, not a sub-regexp
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18:46<Ammler>hmm, well it seems, I have it wrongly in mind anyway.
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19:48<gouki>Hi everyone. Just to see if I understood things correctly ... Up until 0.7.1, we need the original game graphics files, but 0.7.2 already contains open source ones?
19:48<Sacro>no
19:49<Sacro>well, there's a semi-complete set
19:49<gouki>"This includes the OpenGFX set which replaces all of the games graphics allowing OpenTTD to be played for the first time without any of the original graphics files. In effect now, for the first time, OpenTTD is its own game"
19:49<gouki>Read that on Wikipedia :S
19:50<Sacro>[citation needed]
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19:50<Sacro>hehe
19:50<Sacro>it already is XD
19:50*gouki learns a lesson about Wikipedia :P
19:51<Sacro>opengfx isn't a full set afaik
19:51<Sacro>also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OpenTTD-0.7.1-de.png has copyrighted material
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20:04<nicfer>!lastseen Zuu
20:04<nicfer>or, how was it?
20:05<nicfer>I'm having troubles with his openttd updater
20:06<nicfer>I'm running it under wine on my arch linux
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20:10<nicfer>!seen Zuu
20:10<nicfer>@seen Zuu
20:10<@DorpsGek>nicfer: Zuu was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Zuu> Night folks
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20:12<welshdragon>Prof_Frink around?
20:12<welshdragon>nvm
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20:26<nicfer>does anyone have idea of the openttd autoupdater_
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20:26<nicfer>?
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20:27<TinoDidriksen>You're running his auto-updater under Wine? That won't update your Linux version of OpenTTD...
20:28<nicfer>I'm trying to update a windows version of openttd
20:28<nicfer>which I'll run under wine also
20:28<TinoDidriksen>Why not use the native version?
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20:29<nicfer>faster to update with the auto updater
20:29<nicfer>for nightly versions
20:30<TinoDidriksen>Should be very simple to write a 4-line script for...
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20:33<nicfer>ok, I'll only need some way of detecting the latest openttd revision and I'll make it
20:34<TinoDidriksen>svn up, make, make install
20:36<nicfer>without compiling?
20:37<TinoDidriksen>make compiles.
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20:38<TinoDidriksen>If you once have a setup where you've done a checkout, configure, make chain, the same folder can be used by svn up, make, make install.
20:38<nicfer>I want to download a precompiled binary
20:38<nicfer>compiling is too slow
20:39<TinoDidriksen>It wouldn't compile from scratch every time...only changed files are recompiled.
20:51<PeterT>why can't I change my nickname while connected to openttd.notice?
20:52<Eddi|zuHause2><Sacro> also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OpenTTD-0.7.1-de.png has copyrighted material <- apart from the fact that all graphical works are copyrighted, even if they are released under a copyleft license, which part exactly do you mean?
20:52<Eddi|zuHause2>PeterT: because that's how it works
20:52-!-PeterT is now known as Peter
20:52-!-Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause
20:53<Eddi|zuHause>PeterT: sometimes moderated channels have been abused by changing your nick to get your message across
20:53<Peter>oh
20:53<Peter>I am now known as Peter :)
20:53<Eddi|zuHause>yes, i read that.
20:54<Peter>whoever does that is stupid
20:54<Eddi|zuHause>that's not the point
20:54<Peter>so, if I talk, I get banned?
20:54<Peter>or it won't go to the channel
20:54<Eddi|zuHause>try it
20:55<Peter>cannot send to channel
20:55<Peter>I'm off for tonight
20:55<Peter>bye
20:55<Peter>:)
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20:55<Audigex>night
20:55<Audigex>bah :p
20:55<Audigex>eddi - presumably a grf on there isn't allowed
20:56<Audigex>or isn't released etc
20:56<Audigex>although technically, isnt any openttd screenshot in violation of copyright?
20:56<Eddi|zuHause>Audigex: word of advice, don't presume anything when Sacro is talking :p
20:56<Audigex>so i cant see that being an issue
20:56<Audigex>haha, fair enough
20:57<Eddi|zuHause>no, screenshots fall under "fair use" (or similar) terms in most jurisdiction
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20:58<Eddi|zuHause>and it was never proven that openttd itself is a violation of copyright
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21:02<Audigex>is tilting possible in openttd?
21:02<Audigex>and eddi - whether or not openttd itself is in violation, the graphics are
21:03<Audigex>i, personally, think that openttd is in violation, but the copyright owner doesnt have anything to gain so doesn't care
21:03<Eddi|zuHause>like i said, fair use
21:03<Audigex>yeah
21:03<Audigex>i forgot about fair use :)
21:04<Eddi|zuHause>although german copyright doesn't have the concept of fair use...
21:05<Eddi|zuHause>it has some more strictly formulated exceptions to copyright
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21:09<Audigex>fair enough
21:09<Audigex>but that also assumes it was made by a german
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21:11<Eddi|zuHause>that ought to be fairly easily to figure out
21:12<Eddi|zuHause>hm... "cool"... the americans just invaded somalia...
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