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#openttd IRC Logs for 2009-09-17

---Logopened Thu Sep 17 00:00:44 2009
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03:20<planetmaker>moin
03:22<dihedral><Ammler> maybe someone should tell umj about email <- HEHEHE
03:22<dihedral>or about pm'ing people!
03:22<dihedral>or just saying what he wants!!
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03:33<planetmaker>moin dihedral :-)
03:33<planetmaker>how's going?
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03:34<dihedral>well :-)
03:34<dihedral>pretty tired, but doing well
03:34<dihedral>how are you?
03:36<planetmaker>pretty busy, but doing well, too :-)
03:46<dihedral>http://openttdcoop.org/public-server/ <- hehehe
03:47<dihedral>missing something? :-P
03:54<planetmaker>pretty much looks like :-P
03:59*dihedral hands planetmaker an 'it'
03:59<dihedral>there was an openttdlib folder on brians server
03:59<dihedral>i believe it was a subfolder of the wordpress folder
04:00<dihedral>if not, perhaps a level up or in wp-includes
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04:31<dihedral>HELP HELP HELP
04:31<@Rubidium>pleh pleh pleh
04:31<dihedral>it had a reason
04:31<dihedral>* TrueBrain hugs dihedral in his skirt
04:31<dihedral>:-(
04:31<dihedral>*sniff*
04:32<blathijs>Hmm, no who is wearing the skirt in that sentence?
04:32<blathijs>s/no/now/
04:32<@Rubidium>you're wearing a skirt? Is it green with pink socks?
04:32<TrueBrain>dihedral: please don't share your fantasie here
04:32<dihedral><dihedral> morning ladies
04:32<dihedral>* TrueBrain looks under his skirt
04:32<dihedral><TrueBrain> check!
04:33*dihedral cries
04:34<TrueBrain>now I am talking here anyway: http://forum.opendune.org/viewtopic.php?p=18#p18
04:34<@Rubidium>http://i.fokzine.net/upload/090916_112339_remote_elliott.jpg
04:38<dihedral>Rubidium, that looks a bit like that kid who made that "leave brittney alone" video
04:38<dihedral>:-P
04:39<dihedral>TrueBrain, can you apply that theme to redmine? looks good ^^
04:39<Xaroth>the theme of the forum?
04:40<TrueBrain>Redmine will be byebye soon ... stupid annoying fucking retarded bloatware
04:40<Xaroth>bloatware is an understatement tbh
04:40<Xaroth>using 800 mb just to display a repository is.. wrong :P
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04:43<Xaroth>Rubidium: at least you can't say he didn't stick to his word :)
04:45<Terkhen>good morning
04:45<Xaroth>hullo
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04:49*Muxy sends PACKET_CLIENT_JOIN
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04:56<TrueBrain>PACKER_SERVER_ERROR_VERSION_MISMATCH
05:01<Muxy>Unknow PACKET
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05:08<dihedral>TrueBrain, what about server full :-P
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05:23<Muxy>SERVER_FULL will be after VERSION_CHECKING
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08:34<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17559 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3206]: close the "Add NewGRF" window when you close the "NewGRF Settings" window. The add window has a pointer to the settings which means that not deleting it would cause dereferencing an already freed pointer
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09:03<Xaroth>hm, 20+ mil in year 7, started with 200k loan
09:05<@SmatZ>set max_aircraft 0
09:05<@SmatZ>set plane_speed 4
09:05<@SmatZ>at least :)
09:05<Xaroth>not using aircraft
09:05<Xaroth>train only
09:05<Xaroth>think the key is distant-join on this :o
09:07<Ammler>set station_spread 8
09:08<@SmatZ>:)
09:09<Ammler>default is 12, afaik
09:20<@Belugas>hello
09:21<Xaroth>Ammler: 64 :)
09:22<Xaroth>38m/year in year 10.. but i didn't actually do anything until the last year
09:22<Xaroth>distant join might be a bit unbalanced :P
09:38<Ammler>dear devs, possible to make a exception on ISR bananas and allow us uploading the old incompatible versions?
09:39<Ammler>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=814642#p814642
09:43<Ammler>I could provide you with the 3 grfs
09:49<dihedral>Ammler, can you guess the answer to that one?
09:49<@Rubidium>and then we get flamed because we did something we weren't allowed to do?
09:49<dihedral>and then everybody else will come and ask for an exception too :-P
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09:52<Ammler>yeah, I just saw, andythenorth is part of ISR since 0.8.0 too, so I can ask him.
09:53<Eddi|zuHause>Xaroth: you should scale station spread with map size... 64 spread on a 2048² map is practically nothing, but 64 on a 64² map is the entire map
09:54<Xaroth>yeh
09:55<@Belugas>[09:38] <Ammler> dear devs, possible to make a exception <--- just by starting with "dear devs", somehow, the "no" switch was already on ;)
09:55<@Belugas>too polite to be honest :D
09:56<Ammler>:-P
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09:57<Ammler>that is maybe like dih already said, I guessed the answer ;-)
09:58<dihedral>hehe
09:58<dihedral>lol @ Belugas
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10:00<@Belugas>well.. at least you tried :)
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10:35<@Belugas>mumbling grumbing swearing yelling crying punching breaking sitting coffeeing subbing silencing
10:35<@Belugas>thinking
10:35<@Belugas>thinking
10:35<@Belugas>nothing
10:36<planetmaker>bless you
10:37<Muxy>kissig ?
10:37<Muxy>euh Kissing ?
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10:51<@Belugas>droping?
10:51<@Belugas>sleeping?
10:51<@Belugas>leaving?
10:52<@Belugas>JAMMING!
10:52<welsh>you like jamming your chicen?
10:52<welsh>*chicken
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10:56<@Belugas>?
10:56<@Belugas>no: WITH my guitar AND my friend
10:58<welsh>you missed the rude joke then
10:58<welsh>i didn't dare continue else i'd have been banned
10:59<@Belugas>i have not idea what that joke is/was/would be
10:59<@Belugas>guess i'm not in the same cultural environment as yours :)
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11:24<Xaroth>Belugas: "Jamming your chicken"
11:24<Xaroth>as in.. spanking the monkey
11:25<@Belugas>thank for the info
11:26<Xaroth>:)
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11:30<welsh>s/monkey/wife
11:30<@Belugas>yeah.. i got that... thanks again
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12:21<Chris_Booth>hello people
12:21<Chris_Booth>has this bug been reported? >http://mz.openttdcoop.org/img/images/crash3.jpg
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12:23<@SmatZ>Chris_Booth: don't think so
12:25<@SmatZ>Chris_Booth: can you reproduce it?
12:27<@SmatZ>I can't
12:27<@SmatZ>neither in r17496, nor in trunk
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12:31<Eddi|zuHause>GNAAAH
12:32<Eddi|zuHause>my eyessss...
12:32<Eddi|zuHause>they are burning
12:32<Eddi|zuHause>it's a JPG!
12:33<Sacro>Chris_Booth: yes, but you seem to have used printscreen and saved it as a jpeg
12:34<Sacro>ooh, bbl
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13:10<@Belugas>nice... niver every day... doing remote assitance over LogMeIn on a computer connected to Inernet on a dial up modem
13:11<@Belugas>youhou!!
13:13<Eddi|zuHause>you sound like you are having fun :p
13:14<@Belugas>at the salary i'm paid , yes, it's a total joke
13:14<+glx>and free time ;)
13:15<@Rubidium>click, game of solitaire, doing groceries, cooking lunch, eating lunch, making a post lunch core dump, coming back realising you still have no reply, another game of solitaire, reading one of the LOTR books, realising it's not done yet, another game of solitaire, realising you clicked the wrong button...
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13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r17560 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: finnish - 94 changes by Tve4
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by dihedral
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: latvian - 3 changes by LDZ
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: turkish - 3 changes by niw3
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: vietnamese - 48 changes by nglekhoi
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14:01<Eddi|zuHause>hm... i'm going to do something i will regret...
14:02<andythenorth>I already did
14:02<Eddi|zuHause>i'm going to boot into windows...
14:02<andythenorth>No I didn't do that.
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14:19<fjb>What did you do? Painting new ships?
14:20<andythenorth>fjb: putting a client app live with the wrong security settings
14:20<andythenorth>I'm not supposed to do that
14:20<andythenorth>big fail
14:20<fjb>Oh, oh... not good...
14:21<andythenorth>my name is on the fail board]
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14:24<mib_f6jp53>hello
14:24<mib_f6jp53>how is OpenTTD over a network in terms of stability?
14:25<Progman>stable
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14:26<mib_f6jp53>excellent, thank you :)
14:29<@Belugas>that is if yu do not foul around with the sources and play a non-vanilla version of it...
14:29<Chris_Booth>soory i as AFK
14:29<@Belugas>of course ofcourse
14:29<Chris_Booth>i can reproduce the bug
14:29<Audigex>most non-vanilla are pretty stable too though
14:29<Chris_Booth>i was just wondering if i should report it
14:29<Audigex>IS3 seems rock-solid
14:29<Audigex>yes, more-hyphens
14:30<Audigex>i think i liked the look of it in non- and just decided to use it again
14:30<@Belugas>Audigex, always be extra cautious with "well tested" patches
14:30<Chris_Booth>SmatZ: i can reproduce the bug
14:30<@SmatZ>Chris_Booth: great, please report it :)
14:30<Chris_Booth>ok i will do
14:31<@SmatZ>I tried, but failed...
14:31<Chris_Booth>i just didnt want to report a bug allready know
14:31<Chris_Booth>all you need to do it build a rake of wagons more than 100 long
14:31<Chris_Booth>put a loco in the second position in the rake
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14:32<Chris_Booth>then build a second loco and take the front wagon off the rake to make a train length of 101 or more
14:33<@SmatZ>interesting
14:33<Chris_Booth>did you get it to work?
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14:34<dh2k3>greetings
14:34<dh2k3>I have a question in regards to settings and multiplayer games.
14:34<@SmatZ>Chris_Booth: yeah
14:36<dh2k3>I am an admin on one of the OTTD servers and we have airports disabled. But if you go to Advanced Settings> Interface>Interaction> Show building tools when no suitable vehicles are available. If a user turns it ON they can build airports which others can't as it's greyed out. Is it possible to not allow players to change that setting to allow them to not build them on that particular server?
14:37<@SmatZ>hello dh2k3
14:37<dh2k3>hello SmatZ
14:37<@SmatZ>not without modifying sources
14:37<@SmatZ>it could be just server-side patch though
14:38<dh2k3>but if I enable it on my side (client side) then I can build them
14:38<dh2k3>and I believe on the server side it's turned off as well
14:40<dh2k3>we are on 0.7.1 if that helps
14:41<@SmatZ>0.7.1 is old
14:41<dh2k3>aye our owner hasn't updated to 0.7.2 yet
14:43<@SmatZ>http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/no_airport_07.diff try this
14:43<@SmatZ>server will still be able to build airport
14:43<dh2k3>how do we install it on 0.7.1 stable?
14:43<@SmatZ>as well as singleplayer
14:44*_ln is back from speaking Finnish with czechs, germans, hungarians and others
14:44<@SmatZ>patch -p 0 < no_airport.diff && make
14:44<@SmatZ>:-p
14:44<dh2k3>will that mean we would need to install that atch on our end as well?
14:44<@SmatZ>nope
14:44<@SmatZ>it's server-side
14:45<@SmatZ>http://wiki.openttd.org/Category:Compiling_OpenTTD
14:45<@SmatZ>but expect people being confused
14:45<dh2k3>SmatZ, what we are trying to do is prevent players from building airports when all they have to do is change one setting and they can build them
14:46<@SmatZ>you can't do that
14:46<@SmatZ>the patch I supplied will forbid players from building airports
14:46<@SmatZ>but they still have the menu available
14:46<dh2k3>even if they change it under the Advanced Settings> Interface>Interaction> Show building tools when no suitable vehicles are available.?
14:47<@SmatZ>then they will see the menu
14:47<@SmatZ>but airport won't be built
14:47<@SmatZ>without any error message or so
14:47<@SmatZ>but server will be able to build them
14:48<dh2k3>and we have no ai anyways
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14:56<CIA-4>OpenTTD: smatz * r17561 /trunk/ (readme.txt src/misc_gui.cpp): -Fix: diacritics was missing at few places
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14:59<@Rubidium>why forbid people from building airports?
14:59<@Rubidium>just forbid them from building aircraft; ought to work equally well for not getting aircraft
15:00<@SmatZ>Chris_Booth: are you going to report that bug?
15:00<@SmatZ>it shall be forgotten otherwise :-p
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15:00<@Rubidium>can I forget it? Please?
15:01<@SmatZ>Rubidium: is that hard for you? 8-)
15:01<@Rubidium>no, not even knowing what the bug is makes it extremely easy
15:02<@SmatZ>hehe
15:03<dh2k3>Rubidium, we have forbidden them to build planes but they can still build the airport if they use that setting
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15:05<@Belugas>cool... deserted airports :)
15:05<@Belugas>we have one near by, Mirabel International Airport
15:05<@Belugas>that is then a realistic feature!
15:06<@Belugas>buwhahaha!!!!
15:07<Eddi|zuHause>we have plenty of deserted military airports
15:07<Eddi|zuHause>since the russians retreated
15:07<Chris_Booth>i will report it SmatZ
15:08*Rubidium wonders when people want to actually forbid people from building 90 degree turns if that setting is turned off
15:08<@SmatZ>hehe
15:08<L29Ah>:D
15:10<@Belugas>so it seems that our friend dh2k3 does not like his landscape been populated with useless airports
15:10<@Belugas>ha ben...
15:10<dh2k3>we like airports yes but on one of our servers they are disabled but on another they are enabled
15:11<@Belugas>how disgraceful
15:11<@Rubidium>http://rbijker.net/openttd/you_would_forbid_this.png :)
15:11<@Belugas>:)
15:13<@SmatZ>as we are talking about forbidding... today it's just 10 years since
15:14<@SmatZ>http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=cs&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lupa.cz%2Fzpravicky%2Fdeset-let-very-pohlove-na-ceskem-internetu%2F&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=
15:14<@SmatZ>sorry for the long link
15:18<@Belugas>interetsting
15:18<@Belugas>or something :S
15:19<@SmatZ>"0
15:19<@SmatZ>:)
15:20<@Rubidium>what's 'more' interesting is that 18 year ago someone released the first version of his small hobby project to the internet
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15:21<Ammler>linus? or is that older?
15:21<@SmatZ>better translation would be "These scandals are just annoying everyone. I would ban all those Internets and Computers."
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15:22<@SmatZ>Rubidium: oh, nice!
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15:24<Eddi|zuHause>it's only like 9 and a half years ago since i had internet
15:24<Eddi|zuHause>and back then i didn't use it a lot
15:24<Xaroth>12 here :)
15:24<Xaroth>er, no wait
15:24<Xaroth>that's pcs
15:24<Xaroth>intarweb came later
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15:40*Belugas does not want to go in the memory pool
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15:43<Eddi|zuHause>i will push you in
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15:43<@Belugas>my tanks are not checked!
15:45<@Rubidium>what does a bit of leaking matter?
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15:50<@Belugas>humidity in the tank -> corrosion of alumium, hydrostatic test could show cracks, tank would not be able to sustain 3000 psi / 200 bar as it should have
15:50<@Belugas>POOOOOOOF!
15:50<@Belugas>no more Belugas
15:50<KingJ>Sounds fun
15:50<@Belugas>lovely
15:50<@Belugas>carrying a bomb on your back
15:52<@Rubidium>but you should've used transparant aluminium
15:52<@Belugas>oh fuck..right
15:52<@Belugas>BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!
15:55<@Rubidium>Aluminium oxynitride would do the trick too :)
16:00<Rexxars>Y HELLO THAR
16:01<Dreamxtreme>Star Trek DVDRip ?
16:01<Dreamxtreme>oops wrong room soz
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16:03<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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16:51<Terkhen>good night
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17:14<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17562 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#2972]: the NewGRF settings of (remote) network games did not get properly updated when the NewGRFs were rescanned causing reading of freed data
17:20<dihedral><Belugas> [21:05:27] cool... deserted airports :) <- still has a huge ass catchment
17:23<dihedral>why on earth, do people who once met me like 10 years ago, now contact me in facebook???
17:23<dihedral>wtf
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17:34<@SmatZ>dihedral: they want to sell you something / convert you to nihilism / ???
17:35<@SmatZ>or atheism ;)
17:35<@Rubidium>anti-theism?
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17:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17563 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Fix: memory leak when viewing the NewGRF settings of a server
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19:30<nicfer>I've installed the linux 64 bit version of OTTD (I have an athlon x2 7750 processor) but the binary doesn't execute
19:30<nicfer>it says: bash: ./openttd: cannot execute binary file
19:31<Sacro>are you using 64 bit linux?
19:31<Sacro>is 'openttd' set +x?
19:31<@Rubidium>ofcourse I have a 64 bit linux!
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19:33<Dreamxtreme>o yea
19:33<Dreamxtreme>im running the 64bit version
19:33<Dreamxtreme>that must something to do with why it crashes sometimes
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19:35<Eddi|zuHause3>hm... that was a sentence with X
19:35<Eddi|zuHause3> <nicfer> it says: bash: ./openttd: cannot execute binary file <-- typical error message when you want to run 64bit software on a 32bit operating system or the other way round
19:37<nicfer>how do I recognise if my linux is 64-bit capable?
19:37<Sacro>errm
19:38<Sacro>uname -m
19:38<@SmatZ>file `which file`
19:38<@SmatZ>:)
19:38<Sacro>wha?
19:38<nicfer>it says i686
19:38<nicfer>but why?
19:38<nicfer>my processor is 64 bit
19:38<Sacro>like it
19:38<@SmatZ>:-p
19:38<Sacro>nicfer: your distro isn't
19:39<Sacro>you lack 64 bit libraries
19:40<nicfer>how are named them?
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19:41<@SmatZ>x86_64
19:41<@SmatZ>what distro do you have?
19:42<nicfer>arch linux
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19:43<nicfer>so, how do I install them?
19:43<@SmatZ>http://www.archlinux.org/download/
19:43<@SmatZ>download one x86_64 ISO
19:43<@SmatZ>not i686
19:44<nicfer>is there any way to transform an i686 system into x86_64?
19:44<@SmatZ>yeah
19:45<@SmatZ>I have never done it though
19:45<@SmatZ>but...
19:45<@SmatZ>everything is possible
19:45<@SmatZ>it shouldn't be hard to reinstall the system
19:45<@SmatZ>just backup your /home and configuration from /etc
19:45<@SmatZ>reinstall
19:45<@SmatZ>and copy it back :-p
19:46<@SmatZ>unless you have separate partition for /home..
19:46<nicfer>except that it doesn't back up installed programs
19:46<@SmatZ>true
19:46<@SmatZ>I don't know Arch :-/
19:47<@SmatZ>you can try moving to x86_64 :)
19:47<@SmatZ>but even moving to x86_64 will need reinstalling of all packages
19:48<@SmatZ>so it's definitely better to start from scratch
19:50<nicfer>well, then I'll just install the 32 bit version
19:51<@SmatZ>it's faster anyway
19:51<@SmatZ>and less memory consuming
19:51<nicfer>more precisely, the windows version through wine
19:51<@SmatZ>umm
19:51<@SmatZ>it's your life
19:51<nicfer>I hate having two versions of the same program
19:52<@SmatZ>ok, it explains why you want to run it through wine
19:52<nicfer>too much disk space wasted
19:53<@SmatZ>nicfer, are you on pills or what?
19:54<nicfer>for games light like this yes, but for heavier ones, it helps
19:55<@SmatZ>I see...
20:00<PeterT>is this a multiplayer bug? --> I put a password on a company, but at the joining screen it has no password
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