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02:42<dihedral>morning
02:44<Noldo>morning
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06:32<FrankyJones>Goodafternoon, im using openttd and runned into a real noobie problem, can anyone give me some advice?
06:34<@Rubidium>your 'free' advice: ask something related to the problem you've got instead of asking the meta-question whether you may ask something (which is a paradox)
06:36<Doorslammer>^ Be specific, in other words
06:39<FrankyJones>Ok well srry for that, my trains run from all over the map to one central delivery zone. Also the product fruit comes from production places to this zone. Only today a new fruit 'forrest' has been created next to my delivery zone, automaticly directly delivering fruit to the stations in this zone, causing all my incoming (loaded) fruit trains to reload before they leave again. In my eyes only solution is to move the stations, but the r
06:40<@Rubidium>change the 'load order' to "no loading"
06:40<Yexo>give all your trains "no load" orders for the destination station
06:41<FrankyJones>Ok Im gonna try that, srry for the newbie question... everybody has to start once right ;) Thanks
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06:44<Doorslammer>Is there a waqy to make non-loading default?
06:44<Doorslammer>*way
06:45<Yexo>not that I know of
06:46<@Rubidium>there is, but that implies changing the code
06:50<dihedral>hehe
06:50<dihedral>there is always a way? :-D
06:51<Doorslammer>Ech, I'l pas on that for now then
06:55<Doorslammer>Bloody FilterKeys
06:55<Doorslammer>I hate those SHIFT button features
07:01<CIA-4>OpenTTD: smatz * r17597 /trunk/ (11 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: rename namegen* to townname*
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07:10<dihedral>Doorslammer, dont have a shift key?
07:11<Doorslammer>I do, but they sneaky turn on if not wary of it
07:13<Aankhen``>You can turn that behaviour off.
07:14<Doorslammer>Hmmm, still looking for that at the moment
07:14<Aankhen``>Which version of Windows?
07:15<Doorslammer>Vista
07:15<Doorslammer>I think it's off now
07:15<Doorslammer>Thankfully
07:15<Aankhen``>Control Panel → Ease of Access Center → Make the keyboard easier to use → Set up Filter Keys
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07:21<Doorslammer>Yep, I think thats been done
07:21<Aankhen``>Should take care of it then.
07:23<Doorslammer>Cool
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09:04<@Belugas>hello
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09:29<Terkhen>hello
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10:20<dihedral>http://www.openttd.org/en/server/12580 <- hehehehe
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10:54<@Rubidium>oh MYOB... where art thou?
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10:58<Eddi|zuHause>dihedral: what exactly is funny about that?
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11:11<Xaroth>7.2 ?
11:20<@Belugas>naa.... you don't get it: dihedral is proud to show he finally got a server live
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11:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17598 /branches/0.7/ (13 files in 3 dirs):
11:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
11:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Vehicle image was not always updated when needed (r17594)
11:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Could not query the size of small airports when they could not be build anymore [FS#3212] (r17591)
11:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Erroneous message about changing the difficulty level [FS#3220] (r17588)
11:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Assertion triggered when the second vehicle in a 101+ (or 11+ if mammoth trains is disabled) vehicle free wagon chain is an engine and the first vehicle is moved to another chain [FS#3208] (r17576)
11:47<CIA-4>OpenTTD: smatz * r17599 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix: configure script didn't detect icc when CC included path to compiler
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13:01<Wolf01>hello
13:03<dihedral>Eddi|zuHause, 7.2?
13:03<dihedral>Belugas, aint my server!!
13:04<@Belugas>he... not me finding it ""hehehe"able ;)
13:04<@Belugas>so we have to guess!
13:06<CIA-4>OpenTTD: smatz * r17600 /trunk/src/querystring_gui.h: -Cleanup: remove unused variable
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13:17<fjb>It is a tropical server. That orange makes me psychedelic.
13:24<CIA-4>OpenTTD: smatz * r17601 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r17592): don't mark cargo as 'accepted' when accepted amount is 0
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13:33<Ammler>blathijs: debain package builder can't handle bzip2 source packs?
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r17602 /trunk/src/lang/ (english_US.txt russian.txt unfinished/vietnamese.txt):
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: english_US - 2 changes by agenthh
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: vietnamese - 6 changes by nglekhoi
13:47<frosch123>somehow it is a bad idea to name software with girl's names. googling stuff about it is always annoying :(
13:49<@SmatZ>:)
13:50<fjb>Better girls names than ".net".
13:52*fjb doesn't know any girl called BSD, Linux, Java, Windows, Office or gcc.
13:52<Sacro>C# is an arse too
13:54<@Rubidium>savannah?
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13:58*fjb doesn't know any girl or software with that name.
13:58<blathijs>Ammler: Until recently it couldn't, but I think they can now
13:58<blathijs>Ammler: Haven't tried yet, though
13:59<blathijs>frosch123: Recently, I'd seen some project named "SHE", which resulted in all sorts of hilarious remarks during the presentation :-)
13:59<Ammler>well, it isn't that important, suse rpm builder does complain about.
14:00<Ammler>it would like source files in bzip2, but it is able to use gzip
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14:06<blathijs>Ammler: What does suse have to do with my debs? Or are we only releasing sources as tgz?
14:06<Ammler>well, it isn't suse, it is rpm in general, afaik
14:07<Ammler>opengfx source packages are tar.gz
14:07<blathijs>Ah, right. IIRC openttd releases both
14:07<+glx>and 7z too :)
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14:09<Ammler>I prefer the warning than having to different formats just for this matter.
14:09<Ammler>two*
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14:11<blathijs>Ammler: I'll put switching to tbz on my list, though
14:11<Ammler>I asked if we can change to bzip2, but then I drop that.
14:13<TrueBrain>Dear Lloyds TSB Online Customer,
14:13<TrueBrain>We detected irregular activity on your Lloyds Check Card on 21 September, 2009.
14:13<TrueBrain>who has been using my card again?
14:14<Dreamxtreme>me!! HAHA XD
14:14<TrueBrain>(just received that on my openttd.org account)
14:14<Dreamxtreme>O_O
14:14<Dreamxtreme>perhaps a bogus email
14:15<TrueBrain>you think? It might not be that hte link points to a harvesting, wanting me to send more spam? :p
14:15<Dreamxtreme>yea
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14:16<CIA-4>OpenTTD: smatz * r17603 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: since now, towns are 'founded' instead of 'built'
14:18<CIA-4>OpenTTD: smatz * r17604 /trunk/src/lang/ (48 files in 2 dirs): -Update (r17603): rename strings in other lang files too
14:20<Terkhen>great :)
14:28<@SmatZ>wow, openttd 0.7.2 is finally stable in gentoo :-p
14:28<@SmatZ>just almost 6 months...
14:28<@SmatZ>since 0.7 release (0.6.3 was stable before)
14:30*Rubidium wonders what stable in Gentoo actually means
14:30<@Rubidium>SmatZ: only half of 0.7.2 is stable :(
14:32<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17605 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix [FS#3218]: [NewGRF] Crash when defining the same tile in a tile layout twice
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14:36<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17606 /trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): -Add: initial support for Haiku; a dedicated server with zlib and libpng compiles and links (for me). Something's fishy with the network so it doesn't actually work (yet)
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14:37<CraKinShOt>good evening. :)
14:40<dihedral>yes?
14:42<@Rubidium>blathijs: Ammler is thinking about only releasing .tar.bz2 for opengfx
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14:46<blathijs>Ammler: Yeah, I saw that
14:46<blathijs>Not sure if I can upload tbz orig tarballs yet, though
14:47<blathijs>Google didn't want to tell me, nor the policy manual or debian dev reference
14:47<@Rubidium>check the src repository
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14:51<blathijs>Rubidium: It seems it's not supported yet
14:51<blathijs>But it will be soon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457345
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14:53<@Rubidium>is 'soon' before the next stable? :)
14:54<blathijs>It's a release goal, so I'd say yes
14:54<blathijs>Probably sooner :-)
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14:54<@Rubidium>last message talks about something big needs to finished and then they need to test it for 2-3 months :(
14:54<@Rubidium>which was basically in early august
14:55<@Rubidium>so it's still 2-3 months out :(
14:57<blathijs>yup..
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15:13<@Rubidium>Muxy: what's the point of making a wiki copy of the (unstable as how it works from version to version) network protocol? It will only get outdated and annoy people because it's incorrect
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15:15<Chruker>You could just make a page with notes on how to read the source for the network specifics
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15:40<CIA-4>OpenTTD: smatz * r17607 /trunk/src/command.cpp: -Fix: when command didn't fail in test run and failed in exec run, error message wasn't set. Affects only few commands
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15:56<andythenorth>evening
15:56<Terkhen>hi andythenorth
15:57<@Rubidium>it's evening already? :)
16:00<andythenorth>is it done yet?
16:02<@Belugas>it is getting close, in fact...
16:02<@Belugas>again one hour and we're in it!
16:02<Muxy>i'm back
16:03<Muxy>Rubidium: what is incorrect ?
16:05<andythenorth>well someone let me know when it's done
16:05<andythenorth>an email would do
16:05<andythenorth>or something
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16:23<CIA-4>OpenTTD: smatz * r17608 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: use CmdFoundTown when founding 'Random town' too
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16:25<CraKinShOt>well submitted my first patch. :)
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16:26<Muxy>where ?
16:26<Ammler>it takes around 1-2 hours to get it to trunk
16:26<CraKinShOt>FS#3225 or http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=45208
16:27<guru3>CraKinShOt: congrats
16:27<CraKinShOt>doesn't do anything though... haha. ;)
16:27<CraKinShOt>well not yet
16:27<CraKinShOt>but tested using it
16:27<guru3>i currently have no access to a web browser
16:27<guru3>what should your patch do?
16:27<CraKinShOt>adds on general support for signal extensions
16:28<guru3>sounds neat
16:28<CraKinShOt>so you specify that any signal has a SignalEx object
16:28<guru3>more power to you, patches make the world go 'round
16:29<CraKinShOt>at the moment it only supports creating, removing and basic update routing.
16:29<Sacro>hmmm, looks good
16:29<guru3>(sorry if i sound facetous, it is cool, i'm just dead bored waiting for the kernel to compile)
16:29<Sacro><3 2.6.31
16:29<guru3>is it out of rc?
16:29<blathijs>Yup, it is
16:30<guru3>sweet
16:30<CraKinShOt>so if any tile is changed from a RAIL_WITH_SIGNAL it'll automatically remove the SignalEx object from the pool
16:30<guru3>i should upgrade my desktop
16:30<Sacro>Yeah, complete with x-fi drivers :D
16:30<guru3>about time on that score
16:30<guru3>ive got my trusty audigy
16:31<guru3>and the kernel has finished, so now i need to go and reboot... bbl
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16:33<Muxy>grumpf ^
16:43<CraKinShOt>was I supposed to set the version to "trunk" for the new patch?
16:47<Muxy>if the patch has been written to the last r
16:48<Sacro>depensd what it'spatched agains
16:48<Sacro>t
16:51<CraKinShOt>the trunk
16:51<CraKinShOt>I just left it as ?version... :(
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16:52<Sacro>do an svn diff or something
16:53<CraKinShOt>yeah I did, its a diff to whatever the trunk is at the moment
16:54<CraKinShOt>I guess it won't matter and when someone get around to it they can change it to trunk
16:55<Sacro>haha
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16:57<CraKinShOt>Well I can't edit it, so not much I can do. :/
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17:30<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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17:53<Xaroth>:o
17:53<Xaroth>there's two of em now
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18:04<CraKinShOt>planet, I think I might have a crack at using m2
18:04<CraKinShOt>and put in a check in all the railmap functions that concern RAIL_WITH_SIGNALS
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18:09<CraKinShOt>actually thats probably going to be the way to go
18:10<CraKinShOt>at the moment getting the signalexID requires 3 variable lookup's and 3-6 bit manipulations
18:11<CraKinShOt>if it was in m2, it would be much faster lookup
18:13<Eddi|zuHause>you mean storing the pool index in the map?
18:13<nicfer>don't you think that there are too many ottd servers, being most of them too similar?
18:14<nicfer>you in plural... or there is some word for it?
18:14<Eddi|zuHause>"thee", but that is very outdated ;)
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18:15<Eddi|zuHause>"thee" is the plural of "thou", which used to be the informal addressing
18:15<Eddi|zuHause>"you" being formal
18:17<Eddi|zuHause>(at least i think so)
18:17<CraKinShOt>Eddi|zuHause: yes, the pool index in all of m2 and moving the existing bits in m2 into the pool item, as planetmaker suggested
18:18<CraKinShOt>for RAIL_WITH_SIGNAL class only ofc
18:18<Eddi|zuHause>CraKinShOt: so you want to make every signal a "pool" signal, not only the special extra data?
18:18<CraKinShOt>no no, you'd have a flag in m6 or m7
18:19<Eddi|zuHause>then what is currently in m2?
18:19<CraKinShOt>if its turned off then m2 is as before
18:19<Eddi|zuHause>ah
18:19<Eddi|zuHause>that might make stuff unnecessarily complicated
18:19<CraKinShOt>its its turned on then the old m2 data is now in the pool item
18:19<CraKinShOt>*if
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18:20<CraKinShOt>yeha, although luckly, I think all the existing functionality for accessing those bits is done in 3-4 function in railmap.h
18:20<CraKinShOt>so a couple checks and it can be done
18:21<CraKinShOt>its actually a much better way to do it
18:21<CraKinShOt>I mean check this out (way I'm doing it at the moment) for getting the 15 bits for the index:
18:21<CraKinShOt>return (SignalExID)((_me[t].m7) + (GB(_m[t].m6, 2, 4) << 8) + (GB(_m[t].m2, 12, 3) << 12));
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18:22<CraKinShOt>ugly hack... hehe.
18:25<Terkhen>good night
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18:33<Eddi|zuHause><CraKinShOt> yeha, although luckly, I think all the existing functionality for accessing those bits is done in 3-4 function in railmap.h <-- ysah, thanks to years of map accessor abstraction
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18:56<JFBelugas>no more power at work
18:56<JFBelugas>could leave eariler :)
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19:54<PeterT>do I sumbit a serious bug to both openttd problems AND openttd bugs, or just openttd problems?
19:54<PeterT>(or just bugs.openttd.org)
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19:57<Eddi|zuHause>could you explain your thoughts how you get to the idea that a "bug" should not be reported under "bugs"?
19:59<Eddi|zuHause>and add into this line of thought the sticky post in "problems" that says "bugs don't belong here"?
20:02<PeterT>well it's a bug causing me problems
20:02<PeterT>or a problem causing bugs
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20:06<Yexo>PeterT: add option 3 and chose that one: only to bugs.openttd.org
20:06<PeterT>add?
20:06<PeterT><PeterT> (or just bugs.openttd.org)
20:07<PeterT>I'm making the bugs page
20:08<PeterT>Yexo: FS #3226
20:15<Yexo>PeterT: a certain "cameron" on that server doesn't seem to like you
20:16<PeterT>i thought i banned him
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20:16<Yexo>he thought I was you, and asked for a ban ("go ahead, just ban me")
20:16<PeterT>you are faisial?
20:17<PeterT>hehe
20:17<PeterT>he's been trolling
20:17<Yexo>no, I joined as Yex0 but already left the server
20:17<PeterT>ok
20:18<PeterT>ok
20:18<PeterT>oops
20:18<Yexo>anyway, I can confirm the bug on that server, but can you also repeat it on other servers?
20:18<PeterT>did you see the problem?
20:18<Yexo>yes
20:19<Yexo>but I can't reproduce the problem locally
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20:23<Yexo>PeterT: if you find any more information, please add it to the bug report
20:23<Yexo>good night all
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20:23<@Rubidium>like how to reproduce it
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20:24<PeterT>you can see my now?
20:27<Eddi|zuHause>PeterT: i don't think so.
20:27<PeterT>ok
20:28<PeterT>tell rubidium I found the problem
20:28<PeterT>well, I knew the problem, but I fixed it now
20:30<PeterT>Rubidium: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3226
20:32<PeterT>Ah, whatever, he has to check his inbox eventually
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21:11<PeterT>Yexo: did you see my comment?
21:11<Eddi|zuHause>PeterT: nobody sees anything at 3AM
21:12<PeterT>on a lit computer screen, yes they do
21:14*fjb has already closed his eyes and sees nothing.
21:23<PeterT>does fjb blind-type?
21:24<fjb>Yes, of course, with all 10 fingers.
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21:29<Eddi|zuHause>PeterT: but when someone ends a discussion with the words "good night", it usually indicates that the person is not going to have a lit computer screen
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