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02:30<boekabart>alo
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03:16<ltsampros>hello.
03:17<ltsampros>is there any easy to reduct the amount of rating dropped when constructing at an a town's tiles ?
03:17<ltsampros>my scenarios have really lots of trees and building just anything gets you an apalling rating
03:20<boekabart>donate money ;)
03:20<ltsampros>don't like brbing :P
03:21<ltsampros>(they caught me at barcelona)
03:28<SpComb>http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1411509&cid=29817921 <-- opinions on open-source games
03:33<Noldo>that guy is an artist
03:55<Rhamphoryncus>ltsampros: that's a difficulty setting, is it not?
03:55<ltsampros>oh. hm. I didn't remember there was a difficulty setting
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03:56<Terkhen>good morning
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04:13<fonsinchen>I got another idea for a cargolist optimization.
04:13<Noldo>did you code it already?
04:14<fonsinchen>No, but it's quite easy: If we merge a packet that is not the last in the list, we pull it back and make it the last.
04:14<fonsinchen>Like that subsequent equal packets should be easier to merge.
04:15<fonsinchen>I'll check that later.
04:17<fonsinchen>Of course that changes the order of packets, but merging with a packet that's not the last in the list isn't quite FIFO anyway, and making that packet the last one then can be seen as "fix" for this.
04:17<@Rubidium>well... fix is a 'big' word :)
04:18<@Rubidium>but yes, it makes sense to at least test it
04:19<ltsampros>hm. I have a permissive attitude twoards area restructring but still
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04:35<@Rubidium>isn't there a cheat that gives 'more' permission?
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04:35<@Rubidium>otherwise, remove lots of trees and build them again; should give a higher rating
04:44<fonsinchen>I think this can be improved: static_cast<Tinst *>(this)->RemoveFromCache(cp);
04:45<fonsinchen>You can rename the base RemoveFromCache to something different and make one function in each class that calls that.
04:45<ltsampros>Rubidium: nope. i didn't see one. but anyway just a constructing a city airport outside a city gives me an apalling isntantly
04:45<fonsinchen>Then you can write this->RemoveFromCache(cp);
04:49<fonsinchen>and the comments for the base AddToCache and RemoveFromCache are wrong. It doesn't update feeder_share
04:49<ltsampros>ps -ef
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05:23<fonsinchen>actually the RemoveFromCache thing doesn't work without virtual. :(
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05:54<@Rubidium>fonsinchen: it really seems to work for me
05:54<@Rubidium>with the static cast that is
05:54<fonsinchen>it works, but it looks ugly.
05:55<fonsinchen>The improvement I proposed before doesn't work, though.
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06:05<CIA-9>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17837 /trunk/src/cargopacket.h: -Fix (r17812): comment erroneously mentioned feeder share
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06:57<fonsinchen>CargoList() {}
06:57<fonsinchen>I think this is a problem.
06:57<fonsinchen>It doesn't initialize anything.
06:58<fonsinchen>or maybe it's operator new that does it ...
07:00<@Rubidium>the memory is Calloced in (our) new, so everything is 0, which is good for the caches. The std::list gets automagically constructed IIRC
07:04<fonsinchen>I have a problem with an inconsistent cache. Why don't we invalidate the caches after loading anymore?
07:06<fonsinchen>ah, we do; only in a different place ...
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07:25<Eddi|zuHause> <fonsinchen> No, but it's quite easy: If we merge a packet that is not the last in the list, we pull it back and make it the last. <-- didn't i say exactly that yesterday?
07:26<fonsinchen>Maybe, then I didn't get it.
07:26<Dr_Jekyll>i try to build a 2-track sideline wich comes from a 3-track mainline...but i need some hints how to set the signals maybe someone could help out with a screenshot or something? this is what i try to build: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3527/signals.png
07:26<Eddi|zuHause>the argument against it was that it would be way less FIFO
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07:28<Eddi|zuHause>fonsinchen: i called it "move to front" (where obviously "front" is the place where you start merging)
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07:30<fonsinchen>If you move it to the front it is less FIFO, if you move it to the back it's about the same. But as you swap back and front in your model you might be right, though.
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07:32<Eddi|zuHause>maybe i should learn to more explicitly state such duality-exchanging stuff, people tend to not follow my thought patterns :p
07:32<welshdragon>Hello :)
07:33<Eddi|zuHause>Dr_Jekyll: maybe you should check the openttdcoop wiki for junctions/load balancers
07:34<welshdragon>so... i had a brainwave a few seconds ago..... Fares... you set a price (per tile) for every journey
07:35<welshdragon>A journey of 3 tiles could cost £3, or £30, depending on the Scrooge :P
07:36<welshdragon>etc
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07:37<Dr_Jekyll>Eddi|zuHause you are my hero...
07:37<Dr_Jekyll>thank you ;)
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07:47<Eddi|zuHause>hm... why do i get av8 twice in the online content window?
07:47<boekabart>that call that upselling
07:48<Eddi|zuHause>it says i have av8 1.501, and it offers me av8 1.5 for download
07:48<boekabart>downselling then :D
07:49<Eddi|zuHause>and if i check av8 extra 1.501 for download, it automatically adds av8 1.5
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08:06<welshdragon>a more detailed explanation of my gares plan can be found at http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=45580
08:06<welshdragon>*Fares
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09:33<Eddi|zuHause>why is canal construction so extremely expensive?
09:34<boekabart>because it's a LOT of work!
09:34<Eddi|zuHause>building one tile of canal costs the same as removing one tile of water
09:34<boekabart>also, a LOT of work
09:34<Eddi|zuHause>that is not really what i understands as balanced...
09:34<boekabart>every dug a pond or so in your back yard?
09:35<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: you get both shown because one NewGRF 'depends' on the av8 1.5
09:36<Eddi|zuHause>so $SOMEONE forgot to update the dependency?
09:36<@Rubidium>yes
09:37<Eddi|zuHause>boekabart: but it makes no sense that digging landscape to sea level and let it flood is 100 times cheaper than building a canal tile
09:37<boekabart>no, landscaping should be a lot more expensive
09:40<boekabart>ANYWay most people would like that i think
09:45<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, building a (river boat) canal over flat land is not significantly more expensive than building a rail line...
09:46<boekabart>really? IRL?
09:47<boekabart>because 90% of the cost is procedures and stuff , not work?
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10:14<PeterT>Please somebody who is a moderator help!
10:14<PeterT>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=45527
10:14<PeterT>people keep posting, which just means more bots
10:16<Eddi|zuHause>why would there be any moderator here?
10:16<PeterT>Rubudium?
10:16<Eddi|zuHause>and what's the report button for?
10:16<PeterT>I reported it...twice
10:16<PeterT>oh, right
10:17<PeterT>they don't access that forum
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11:41<CIA-9>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17838 /trunk/src/core/pool_type.hpp: -Document: the Pool struct's template parameters
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11:56<frosch123>hmm, tt-ms is definitely the right place to talk about a m4 driven nfo library
11:59<@Rubidium>really? where? :)
12:00<frosch123>currently it is only a single vapour post
12:00<frosch123>you might guess by whom :)
12:01<@Rubidium>no, not going to guess
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12:01<frosch123>but still, choosing tt-ms is impressive
12:02<@Rubidium>ofcourse, tt-forums is 'bad' because $SROTU doesn't want to remove a specific user
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12:19<fonsinchen>amazing ... he's posting in german and thus excluding at least half of the possible audience. I can't help but laugh about this state of affairs.
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12:19<Goulp>about AI. the AI script is compiled when using it ?
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12:23<Eddi|zuHause>they run in a VM, kind of like a JIT-compiler
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12:24<Goulp>coud we imagine that some part of code can be replaced by squirel scripts ?
12:25<Goulp>if provided by the server... for example
12:25<Eddi|zuHause>there were some plans to make squirrel the console language, but that has not come to fruition yet
12:26<Goulp>i'm not thinking to console language, but some calculation frozen in the code, like cargo distribution...
12:27<Goulp>in order to permit more flex to server admins
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12:29<Eddi|zuHause>no, that's really unlikely
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12:30<Eddi|zuHause>NFO/NewGRF is the part you should be looking at there
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12:31<Eddi|zuHause>Goulp: these sort of things must be synchronized between server and clients, and squirrel is not sent over the network
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12:33<Goulp>what do you mean, not sent over the network ?
12:34<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not going to explain the multiplayer system to you...
12:34<Goulp>server can provide script to replace some code in the client. then the client will use these script instead of default code...
12:35<Noldo>patch or it didn't happen
12:35<Eddi|zuHause>and exactly this "provide script" part is not going to happen
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12:36<Eddi|zuHause>because that's already done with NewGRFs, and there is not going to be a second way to alter gameplay
12:37<Goulp>ok, is not going to happen, but is the idea stupid ?
12:37<Goulp>okay, it means with newgrf, all is possible...
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12:38<Luukland>Goulpy Goulpy Goulp :)
12:38<Noldo>well, much is possible
12:40<Goulp>ok, as example, may be it has already been discussed, then tell me i will search on tt-forum, talking about modifying cargo distribution, this can be made with newgrf ?
12:40<asilv>depends what do you mean by cargo distribution
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12:41<Goulp>to distirbute cargo agains companies with station on same industry
12:41<Luukland>by mean of not changing the rating
12:41<Luukland>just rearranging the calculation
12:41<asilv>well that certainly can't be done with grf
12:41<Goulp>is it possible to modify quantity allocated to each company
12:42<asilv>i don't think so
12:42<Luukland>we have the patch :p
12:43<Goulp>Ok, thank you Eddi, now would it be stupid to inject this calculation code from the server ?
12:46<Eddi|zuHause>you can alter the NewGRF specs to support this, e.g. by a callback
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12:47<frosch123>Goulp: how long does a ai need to find a path between two points? how long may a cargopacket take to decide for a hop on a vehicle?
12:48<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: he doesn't mean "cargo distribution" as in the "cargodist" patch, but on industry production to deliver cargo to more than the highest two nearby stations
12:49<Goulp>frosch123: a cargopacket will not decide, the script will decide how much will go there and there. my question remains the same : would it be stupid that a server could inject some squirel scripts to clients in order to change frozen things. And not only cargo distribution
12:50<frosch123>well, in that case i just point to the discussion on tt-forums about a half year ago
12:50<frosch123>search for squirrel-grf or so
12:51<frosch123>(though you might want to skip the flaming posts)
12:51<Luukland>lol
12:51<Goulp>ok, if it has been discussed, i will search on tt-forum, but is it stupid or not ?
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12:52<frosch123>i explained in detail why squirrel is not suitable for anything that needs synchronisation, speed and is run for lots of small instances
12:52<frosch123>though "in detail" is of course subjective :p
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12:53<Goulp>ok thx frosch.
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13:14<pavel1269>hello :-)
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14:49<pavel1269>I have got a problem with patching a source. When I apply a patch file, with cygwin, it also change permissions on file. Then, even cygwin cant acces the file and I must delete the file and revert. Also work with those files take ages. Ideas? :-)
14:49<pavel1269>I am running Win 7 prof.
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14:51<pavel1269>Another question, anyone alive?
14:51<@Rubidium>yes, you are
14:52<tdev>solution: use linux? ;)
14:52<pavel1269>You know, whats cygwin? :P
14:52<StarLionIsaac>or, see if MinGW works on Win7, I've heard it works fine
14:52<pavel1269>I can compile
14:53<StarLionIsaac>yeah, but if MinGW doesn't give you the file permissions problem, and also compiles, isn't that an improvement still?
14:53<pavel1269>I cant apply patch, on 7. file, it says it cant change permissions, and then cant create patch with those files.
14:53<@Rubidium>pavel1269: the attempt to get some unixy like environment on Windows
14:54<@Rubidium>for what it's work w.r.t. Cygwin
14:54<pavel1269>i have not found any usefull utility to apply patch so i get the cygwin
14:54<@Rubidium>Note that the official support for Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows Me will be discontinued with the next major version (1.7) of Cygwin, which is in beta testing right now. Note that Windows 7 and later will only be supported starting with the 1.7 version of Cygwin.
14:54<@Rubidium>so I hope you're running the beta stuff
14:54<pavel1269>I really should read something.
14:55<Forked>can you run cygwin in "xp compatability mode" ?
14:55<@Rubidium>oh, for the source: http://www.cygwin.com/, roughtly the third paragraph
15:06<pavel1269>I jsut found, its not win 7 related ...
15:06<pavel1269>Even users of Vista have this.
15:07<pavel1269>and problem is, before patch: "---------+ 1 Pavel None 14545 Oct 21 20:59 src/date.cpp" after patching "---------- 1 Pavel None 14545 Oct 21 20:59 src/date.cpp"
15:07<pavel1269>with ls -l
15:08<@Rubidium>I think you're getting a better response in a cygwin related IRC channel
15:08<@Rubidium>does OpenTTD actually still compile with cygwin?
15:08<pavel1269>I compile with MSVC
15:09<StarLionIsaac>isn't the core of how MinGW works based on cygwin though? that compiles fine
15:09<@Rubidium>StarLionIsaac: the core of OSX is *BSD, doesn't mean that if *BSD compiles OSX does (or vice versa)
15:10<StarLionIsaac>point, though I'd think it at least lends weight to the theory it would compile
15:11<StarLionIsaac>I've always used MinGW, never had any problems with it, except when I got it to go through Wine so I could compile a Win32
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15:22<+glx>mingw works well, but cygwin is not mingw, it just uses mingw
15:22<StarLionIsaac>the only problem I've ever actually had with minGW is the download times on the initial setup
15:22<StarLionIsaac>other than that, no trouble at all, only time it doesn't work is if I bugger up
15:24<StarLionIsaac>little quick question - if you install openttd from a .deb package or however it works on non .deb linuxes, where's the binary by default?
15:24<Sacro>wherever you put it
15:24<Sacro>/usr/bin, /usr/bin/games
15:24<@Rubidium>/usr/share/games/openttd or so
15:24<Sacro>could be /usr/local/bin
15:24<Sacro>Arch uses /usr/bin/openttd
15:24<@Rubidium>but just check the contents of the package
15:25<Forked>which openttd
15:25<StarLionIsaac>Any openttd, assuming for example I just installed it from the package in the Ubuntu repo, or downloaded the .deb from the homepage
15:25<StarLionIsaac>I assumed that any linux distro would use the same location, I didn't realise they all insisted on doing it differently
15:31<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause/fonsinchen: for CargoList::Append 'move to back on merge' seems to be a bad thing to do; average 5% more time spent in Append and no gains in other areas
15:32<@Rubidium>with http://rbijker.net/openttd/move_to_back.diff
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15:39<CIA-9>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17839 /trunk/src/core/ (pool_func.hpp pool_type.hpp):
15:39<CIA-9>OpenTTD: -Codechange: implement the concept of 'caching' pool items to pools, that is
15:39<CIA-9>OpenTTD: instead of 'free' push the unused items in a linked list and use them on
15:39<CIA-9>OpenTTD: 'malloc'. Also add the concept of zeroing, or actually not zeroing, on new for
15:39<CIA-9>OpenTTD: pool items.
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15:43<CIA-9>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17840 /trunk/src/ (cargopacket.cpp cargopacket.h): -Codechange: use the new pool's concepts (caching + not zeroing). Improves average CargoPacket con/destruction time by ~20%, MoveTo/Append by 5-10% and application performance by up to 2%.
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15:45<@Rubidium>that's enough profiling of that piece of code for this year
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15:51<frosch123>be careful, there are more than 2 months left
15:52<fonsinchen>nice
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15:53<fonsinchen>I don't quite get why move-to-back doesn't perform, but whatever. Let's leave it as it is until someone comes up with a really good idea (tm).
15:56<fonsinchen>Actually the pool caching could be used for all pool items if we don't fear the additional memory consumption. Or it could be made a compile time option.
15:57<frosch123>no, it can't be used for vehicles nor stations
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15:58<@Rubidium>well, moving a packet to the back means updating at least 6, maybe 7 pointers in a number of items: 'cur'->prev->next, 'cur'->next->prev, 'new'->next->prev, 'new'->prev->next, 'new'->next, 'new'->prev, 'container'->last
15:58<@Rubidium>that is a lot of dereferencing/updating
16:00<@Rubidium>so 'container'->last->prev->prev a few times is cheaper than moving it to the back
16:00<@Rubidium>especially if there're a few packets 'rotating' at the back
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16:18<pavel1269>gn
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16:45<fonsinchen>About FS#3266: The set instead list is worse for trunk but about the same (even a little better) as reverse iterating for cargodist. Reverse iterating is always better than only merging last, but I came up with that idea only yesterday. And in combination with set for vehicle cargo list merging only last for stations is beneficial for cargodist. OK, I should have checked those separately. The caching thing was also discovered after the ticket was p
16:45<fonsinchen>So yes, you are right, nothing of the original idea made it to trunk, but I still had a reason for posting the ticket. And I learned some things about profiling in the process.
16:46<fonsinchen>And thanks a lot for all the work.
16:47<fonsinchen>I have dropped the slset and cargoset branches also in cargodist. I'm using reverse iteration there, too.
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17:09<andythenorth>hmm
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17:10<andythenorth>^^ something I said?
17:11<Sacro>yes
17:11<andythenorth>meh
17:11<andythenorth>Zeno's paradox of Achilles and the Tortoise applies to the industry production callback :|
17:11<andythenorth>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes
17:12<andythenorth>Fortunately our old friend 'many branching varaction 2 chains' rides to the rescue once again.
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17:28<andythenorth>ow my brain hurts
17:28<andythenorth>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=45587&p=826380#p826380
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17:29<MyCatVerbs>I have ibuprofen, Andy, I could run over. :D
17:30<andythenorth>MyCatVerbs: useful, but do you have a potential solution to the problem?
17:30<andythenorth>I have several, but I want to see what others come up with
17:30*Prof_Frink passes andythenorth a beer
17:31<andythenorth>I can't see a future that doesn't involve either:
17:31<andythenorth>A: lots of advanced varaction 2
17:31<andythenorth>B: stopping work on FIRS
17:31<MyCatVerbs>Not right now...
17:31<andythenorth>C: waiting for FooBar to be able to code again (but his varaction 2 advanced is no better than mine)
17:32<andythenorth>A is not a fun option
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17:33<planetmaker>andythenorth: if you have cargo amounts A, B, C. I'd use A / (A+B+C) * max_prod_level, B / (A+B+C) * max_prod_level etc
17:34<planetmaker>and andythenorth : do you template code those industries like DJN codes the trains nowadays?
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17:35<andythenorth>planetmaker: somewhat yes
17:35<andythenorth>but maybe not as much as DJ
17:35<planetmaker>then it would be kinda a one-time thing and only adding in the header vars appropriately
17:35<andythenorth>that would be a win
17:35<andythenorth>I was hoping we would get to that
17:35<planetmaker>IMO it really pays off. He's templates and only defines in the engines' headers the properties and that's it.
17:36<planetmaker>e.g. base cose, ... - all by means of nice #defines
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17:36<Terkhen>good night
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17:36<andythenorth>yep makes sense, think we discussed it when we started FIRS, but weren't sure if it would work...
17:36<andythenorth>clearly it does
17:37<planetmaker>I guess it will work for industries, too
17:37<planetmaker>maybe you can give me one fully coded industry, nicely commented so that I understand?
17:38<planetmaker>or name one in the repo :-)
17:38<andythenorth>realistically, there will be about 7 types of template, for different groups of industries
17:38<andythenorth>I am pretty happy with the primary industries
17:38<andythenorth>so i_iron_ore_mine for example
17:38<planetmaker>yes, of course you'll need different templates
17:39<andythenorth>the iron ore mine code is shared by about 6 industries
17:39<planetmaker>shared or copy&pasted to ?
17:40<andythenorth>copy & paste
17:40<planetmaker>k
17:40<andythenorth>the code is also the same for all the industries that use Farm Supplies, except for some cargo and text IDs
17:40<andythenorth>if you can make it work, this will make my coding life much better :)
17:40<andythenorth>although at least copy and paste is easy
17:40<planetmaker>I don't promise anything
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17:41<andythenorth>unlike writing the actual code :)
17:41<planetmaker>but maintainability increases
17:41<planetmaker>if we really use templates instead of copy & paste
17:41<andythenorth>yes, would be nice to have
17:41<@Rubidium>planetmaker: not m4nfo?
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17:42<planetmaker>Rubidium: well... the gcc pre-processor is m4, isn't it?
17:42<planetmaker>or at least understands it, iirc
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17:42<@Rubidium>unlikely
17:43<@Rubidium>at least, gcc's preprocessor can't do loops
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17:43<andythenorth>hi hi pikka
17:43<Pikka>andy: do you want to process /everything/ every time?
17:44<andythenorth>not really
17:44<Pikka>and do all input cargos produce the output cargo at 1:1?
17:44<MyCatVerbs>Pikka: No, the gcc pre-processor is cpp.
17:44<MyCatVerbs>Er, planetmaker, not Pikka.
17:44<andythenorth>Pikka: depends on the industry
17:44<andythenorth>but in the simple (!) case yes
17:45<Eddi|zuHause>looks like you said "/quit"
17:45<planetmaker>MyCatVerbs: thx
17:45<Eddi|zuHause>blah
17:45<Eddi|zuHause>*note to self* don't reply to messages in buffer
17:46<planetmaker>Rubidium: but, depending on how far you take the gcc pre-processing, you can take it as far as MB writes there...
17:46<planetmaker>but we don't.
17:46<planetmaker>though DJN's templates are really cool
17:47<andythenorth>planetmaker: think your suggestion would work cargo processing
17:48<andythenorth>for*
17:48<Pikka>andy, I'm replying to your thread now :)
17:48<andythenorth>thanks
17:48<planetmaker>andythenorth: well. it's simply the proportional approach for cargo usage :-)
17:49<andythenorth>I forsee a future containing registers, and operators 00, 06 and they're friends
17:49<andythenorth>their*
17:49<andythenorth>clearly bedtime for me, I can't spell
17:50<Pikka>yes, registers. :) you're going to have to use version 1 and registers if you want variable production
17:51<Pikka>I'm starting to think I should start coding PBI again from scratch, all these new features :P
17:51<andythenorth>How about I code FIRS and you 'borrow' it :P
17:51<andythenorth>with added evil :D
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18:01<andythenorth>http://www.flickr.com/photos/brian_williams/sets/72157622367315865/
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18:50<Divid>Hola
18:50<Divid>Hi
18:50<Divid>I need help
18:50<_LN>buenas noches
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18:50<Divid>ahh
18:50<Divid>eres español
18:50<_LN>no, soy de finlandia
18:51<Divid>pero me entiendes algo
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18:51<_LN>
18:51<Divid>ok
18:51<Divid>tengo una pregunta
18:51<Divid>te la escribo
18:51<Divid>es sobre el transport tycoon
18:52<Divid>he fabricado un mapa de españa
18:52<Divid>y me gustaria saber subirlo a la web
18:53<Divid>sabes tu de este tema
18:53<_LN>you want to make it available online for others to download?
18:54<Divid>yes
18:55<_LN>i guess tt-forums.net could be a suitable place.
18:56<Eddi|zuHause>what happend to this old fellow i once knew...
18:56<Eddi|zuHause>he always shouted "english only"
18:56<Eddi|zuHause>i don't remember his name
18:57<_LN>Eddi|zuHause: no sé
18:57<welshdragon>ENGRISH ONLY
18:58<Divid>ok but at that site as it is
18:58<Divid>I have a map of spain
18:59<Divid>I've made
18:59<Divid>because I am Spanish
18:59<_LN>creo que Eddi|zuHause también entende el español
18:59<Divid>ok _LN
19:00<Eddi|zuHause>yo entiendo, but yo no speako very well
19:00<Divid>I upload a map on the web
19:00<Divid>as is done
19:01<Eddi|zuHause>it's quite a few years ago since i actually was in spain, and i didn't know any spanish back then
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19:01<Divid>I use the google translator
19:01<Eddi|zuHause>Divid: you can upload scenarios on bananas.openttd.org
19:02<Divid>ok
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19:18<_LN>the last time i was in spain, i didn't know hardly any spanish, and spanish wasn't the language of local people anyway.
19:20<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, that can happen in spain ;)
19:20<Eddi|zuHause>especially at the costa brava
19:21<Eddi|zuHause>hm, i have too many folders named "zeug" ("stuff")
19:22<Eddi|zuHause>i even have a folder named "zeug" inside a folder named "zeug"
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19:23<_LN>organizing random files is a hard task. which should be automated.
19:25<_LN>ideally there should be no need for a folder hierarchy.
19:26<Eddi|zuHause>i have a friend, who's not even bothering with naming his folders "stuff", they are just called "new folder (83)"
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19:28<_LN>will it overflow at 2^31?
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19:29<Pikka>I don't have a stuff\stuff, but I do have a stuff\junk. :)
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19:33<@Belugas>i'd rather have puff/fluff
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19:40<Eddi|zuHause>odd... it crashed...
19:41<_LN>unheard of
19:41<Eddi|zuHause>i should fire the person responsible for it
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20:08<Eddi|zuHause>attack of the grbs?
20:08<Eddi|zuHause>attack of the grbs?
20:08<Eddi|zuHause>attack of the grbs?
20:08<Eddi|zuHause>attack of the grbs?
20:08<Eddi|zuHause>attack of the grbs?
20:08<Eddi|zuHause>attack of the grbs?
20:09<welshdragon>i suggest a time-ban :)20:09 < welshdragon> i suggest a time-ban :)
20:09<welshdragon>i suggest a time-ban :)
20:09<welshdragon>i suggest a time-ban :)
20:09<welshdragon>i suggest a time-ban :)
20:09<welshdragon>i suggest a time-ban :)
20:10<welshdragon>woo, filed my first openttd feature request on Flyspray :D
20:10<welshdragon>woo, filed my first openttd feature request on Flyspray :D
20:10<welshdragon>woo, filed my first openttd feature request on Flyspray :D
20:10<welshdragon>woo, filed my first openttd feature request on Flyspray :D
20:10<welshdragon>woo, filed my first openttd feature request on Flyspray :D
20:10<welshdragon>woo, filed my first openttd feature request on Flyspray :D
20:10<Eddi|zuHause>prepare for your first feature rejection then :p
20:10<Eddi|zuHause>prepare for your first feature rejection then :p
20:10<Eddi|zuHause>prepare for your first feature rejection then :p
20:10<Eddi|zuHause>prepare for your first feature rejection then :p
20:10<Eddi|zuHause>prepare for your first feature rejection then :p
20:10<Eddi|zuHause>prepare for your first feature rejection then :p
20:11<welshdragon>oh poo :(
20:11<welshdragon>oh poo :(
20:11<welshdragon>oh poo :(
20:11<welshdragon>oh poo :(
20:11<welshdragon>oh poo :(
20:11<welshdragon>oh poo :(
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20:14<welshdragon>a Pick :(
20:14<welshdragon>a Pick :(
20:14<welshdragon>a Pick :(
20:14<welshdragon>a Pick :(
20:14<welshdragon>a Pick :(
20:14<welshdragon>a Pick :(
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>great, i just found my openttd-0.4.0-win32 installer ;)
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>great, i just found my openttd-0.4.0-win32 installer ;)
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>great, i just found my openttd-0.4.0-win32 installer ;)
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>great, i just found my openttd-0.4.0-win32 installer ;)
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>great, i just found my openttd-0.4.0-win32 installer ;)
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>great, i just found my openttd-0.4.0-win32 installer ;)
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>and the matching 0.4.0.1 one ;)
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>and the matching 0.4.0.1 one ;)
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>and the matching 0.4.0.1 one ;)
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>and the matching 0.4.0.1 one ;)
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>and the matching 0.4.0.1 one ;)
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>and the matching 0.4.0.1 one ;)
20:21<Sacro>i think my first one was 0.3.4
20:21<Sacro>i think my first one was 0.3.4
20:21<Sacro>i think my first one was 0.3.4
20:21<Sacro>i think my first one was 0.3.4
20:21<Sacro>i think my first one was 0.3.4
20:21<Sacro>i think my first one was 0.3.4
20:21<Sacro>or was it 0.3.6
20:21<Sacro>or was it 0.3.6
20:21<Sacro>or was it 0.3.6
20:21<Sacro>or was it 0.3.6
20:21<Sacro>or was it 0.3.6
20:21<Sacro>or was it 0.3.6
20:22<Eddi|zuHause>i don't remember if i actually had a 0.3.x version
20:22<Eddi|zuHause>i don't remember if i actually had a 0.3.x version
20:22<Eddi|zuHause>i don't remember if i actually had a 0.3.x version
20:22<Eddi|zuHause>i don't remember if i actually had a 0.3.x version
20:22<Eddi|zuHause>i don't remember if i actually had a 0.3.x version
20:22<Eddi|zuHause>i don't remember if i actually had a 0.3.x version
20:23<Eddi|zuHause>i do remember that i had a ttdpatch 1.6
20:23<Eddi|zuHause>i do remember that i had a ttdpatch 1.6
20:23<Eddi|zuHause>i do remember that i had a ttdpatch 1.6
20:23<Eddi|zuHause>i do remember that i had a ttdpatch 1.6
20:23<Eddi|zuHause>i do remember that i had a ttdpatch 1.6
20:23<Eddi|zuHause>i do remember that i had a ttdpatch 1.6
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20:24<Sacro>i remember Pikka
20:24<Sacro>i remember Pikka
20:24<Sacro>i remember Pikka
20:24<Sacro>i remember Pikka
20:24<Sacro>i remember Pikka
20:24<Sacro>i remember Pikka
20:24<Sacro>he created that wonderous UKRS
20:24<Sacro>he created that wonderous UKRS
20:24<Sacro>he created that wonderous UKRS
20:24<Sacro>he created that wonderous UKRS
20:24<Sacro>he created that wonderous UKRS
20:24<Sacro>he created that wonderous UKRS
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i didn't really get warm with that one...
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i didn't really get warm with that one...
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i didn't really get warm with that one...
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i didn't really get warm with that one...
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i didn't really get warm with that one...
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i didn't really get warm with that one...
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i do like PBI though ;)
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i do like PBI though ;)
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i do like PBI though ;)
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i do like PBI though ;)
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i do like PBI though ;)
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i do like PBI though ;)
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20:26<Sacro>you probably like dbset or something
20:26<Sacro>you probably like dbset or something
20:26<Sacro>you probably like dbset or something
20:26<Sacro>you probably like dbset or something
20:26<Sacro>you probably like dbset or something
20:26<Sacro>you probably like dbset or something
20:26<Pikka>what's wrong with the dbset?
20:26<Pikka>what's wrong with the dbset?
20:26<Pikka>what's wrong with the dbset?
20:26<Pikka>what's wrong with the dbset?
20:26<Pikka>what's wrong with the dbset?
20:26<Pikka>what's wrong with the dbset?
20:26<Sacro>Pikka: the locos mean nothing to me
20:26<Sacro>Pikka: the locos mean nothing to me
20:26<Sacro>Pikka: the locos mean nothing to me
20:26<Sacro>Pikka: the locos mean nothing to me
20:26<Sacro>Pikka: the locos mean nothing to me
20:26<Sacro>Pikka: the locos mean nothing to me
20:27<Sacro>whereas UKRS does
20:27<Sacro>whereas UKRS does
20:27<Sacro>whereas UKRS does
20:27<Sacro>whereas UKRS does
20:27<Sacro>whereas UKRS does
20:27<Sacro>whereas UKRS does
20:27<Sacro>i can go down to the local station and see HSTs and DMus
20:27<Sacro>i can go down to the local station and see HSTs and DMus
20:27<Sacro>i can go down to the local station and see HSTs and DMus
20:27<Sacro>i can go down to the local station and see HSTs and DMus
20:27<Sacro>i can go down to the local station and see HSTs and DMus
20:27<Sacro>i can go down to the local station and see HSTs and DMus
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20:28<welshdragon>I snuck a look at Pikka's Project 1000, looks sexy
20:28<welshdragon>I snuck a look at Pikka's Project 1000, looks sexy
20:28<welshdragon>I snuck a look at Pikka's Project 1000, looks sexy
20:28<welshdragon>I snuck a look at Pikka's Project 1000, looks sexy
20:28<welshdragon>I snuck a look at Pikka's Project 1000, looks sexy
20:28<welshdragon>I snuck a look at Pikka's Project 1000, looks sexy
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20:28<Eddi|zuHause>omg, i either need more nick colours, or i need to sharpen my reflexes to not only look at the colours
20:28<Eddi|zuHause>omg, i either need more nick colours, or i need to sharpen my reflexes to not only look at the colours
20:28<Eddi|zuHause>omg, i either need more nick colours, or i need to sharpen my reflexes to not only look at the colours
20:28<Eddi|zuHause>omg, i either need more nick colours, or i need to sharpen my reflexes to not only look at the colours
20:28<Eddi|zuHause>omg, i either need more nick colours, or i need to sharpen my reflexes to not only look at the colours
20:28<Eddi|zuHause>omg, i either need more nick colours, or i need to sharpen my reflexes to not only look at the colours
20:29<Eddi|zuHause>in my eyes, Sacro just had a really weird conversation with himself...
20:29<Eddi|zuHause>in my eyes, Sacro just had a really weird conversation with himself...
20:29<Eddi|zuHause>in my eyes, Sacro just had a really weird conversation with himself...
20:29<Eddi|zuHause>in my eyes, Sacro just had a really weird conversation with himself...
20:29<Eddi|zuHause>in my eyes, Sacro just had a really weird conversation with himself...
20:29<Eddi|zuHause>in my eyes, Sacro just had a really weird conversation with himself...
20:29<+glx>not that surprising ;)
20:29<+glx>not that surprising ;)
20:29<+glx>not that surprising ;)
20:29<+glx>not that surprising ;)
20:29<+glx>not that surprising ;)
20:29<+glx>not that surprising ;)
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20:30<Pikk>why does my wireless do this of a morning?
20:30<Pikk>why does my wireless do this of a morning?
20:30<Pikk>why does my wireless do this of a morning?
20:30<Pikk>why does my wireless do this of a morning?
20:30<Pikk>why does my wireless do this of a morning?
20:30<Pikk>why does my wireless do this of a morning?
20:30<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, which is why it took me so long to realize :p
20:30<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, which is why it took me so long to realize :p
20:30<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, which is why it took me so long to realize :p
20:30<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, which is why it took me so long to realize :p
20:30<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, which is why it took me so long to realize :p
20:30<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, which is why it took me so long to realize :p
20:30<Pikk>anyway, pj1k is coming along... :) just about finished steam, might release an alpha soon.
20:30<Pikk>anyway, pj1k is coming along... :) just about finished steam, might release an alpha soon.
20:30<Pikk>anyway, pj1k is coming along... :) just about finished steam, might release an alpha soon.
20:30<Pikk>anyway, pj1k is coming along... :) just about finished steam, might release an alpha soon.
20:30<Pikk>anyway, pj1k is coming along... :) just about finished steam, might release an alpha soon.
20:30<Pikk>anyway, pj1k is coming along... :) just about finished steam, might release an alpha soon.
20:30<welshdragon>BROS has a teaser :)
20:30<welshdragon>BROS has a teaser :)
20:30<welshdragon>BROS has a teaser :)
20:30<welshdragon>BROS has a teaser :)
20:30<welshdragon>BROS has a teaser :)
20:30<welshdragon>BROS has a teaser :)
20:31<Sacro>i can have 50s :D
20:31<Sacro>i can have 50s :D
20:31<Sacro>i can have 50s :D
20:31<Sacro>i can have 50s :D
20:31<Sacro>i can have 50s :D
20:31<Sacro>i can have 50s :D
20:31<Sacro>er
20:31<Sacro>er
20:31<Sacro>er
20:31<Sacro>er
20:31<Sacro>er
20:31<Sacro>er
20:31<Sacro>no
20:31<Sacro>no
20:31<Sacro>no
20:31<Sacro>no
20:31<Sacro>no
20:31<Sacro>no
20:31<Sacro>58s :D
20:31<Sacro>58s :D
20:31<Sacro>58s :D
20:31<Sacro>58s :D
20:31<Sacro>58s :D
20:31<Sacro>58s :D
20:31<Sacro>nothing but bones going back and forth
20:31<Sacro>nothing but bones going back and forth
20:31<Sacro>nothing but bones going back and forth
20:31<Sacro>nothing but bones going back and forth
20:31<Sacro>nothing but bones going back and forth
20:31<Sacro>nothing but bones going back and forth
20:31<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: see, i have the same problem with the "they mean nothing to me"
20:31<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: see, i have the same problem with the "they mean nothing to me"
20:31<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: see, i have the same problem with the "they mean nothing to me"
20:31<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: see, i have the same problem with the "they mean nothing to me"
20:31<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: see, i have the same problem with the "they mean nothing to me"
20:31<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: see, i have the same problem with the "they mean nothing to me"
20:31<welshdragon>has Sacro seen the BROS forums?
20:31<welshdragon>has Sacro seen the BROS forums?
20:31<welshdragon>has Sacro seen the BROS forums?
20:31<welshdragon>has Sacro seen the BROS forums?
20:31<welshdragon>has Sacro seen the BROS forums?
20:31<welshdragon>has Sacro seen the BROS forums?
20:32<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: i can go to the railway station, and can see 143s and 101s
20:32<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: i can go to the railway station, and can see 143s and 101s
20:32<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: i can go to the railway station, and can see 143s and 101s
20:32<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: i can go to the railway station, and can see 143s and 101s
20:32<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: i can go to the railway station, and can see 143s and 101s
20:32<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: i can go to the railway station, and can see 143s and 101s
20:32*welshdragon knows what a DB BR101 is ;D
20:32*welshdragon knows what a DB BR101 is ;D
20:32*welshdragon knows what a DB BR101 is ;D
20:32*welshdragon knows what a DB BR101 is ;D
20:32*welshdragon knows what a DB BR101 is ;D
20:32*welshdragon knows what a DB BR101 is ;D
20:33<welshdragon>as I know what a DB BR103 is
20:33<welshdragon>as I know what a DB BR103 is
20:33<welshdragon>as I know what a DB BR103 is
20:33<welshdragon>as I know what a DB BR103 is
20:33<welshdragon>as I know what a DB BR103 is
20:33<welshdragon>as I know what a DB BR103 is
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>i even remember crocodiles from my childhood
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>i even remember crocodiles from my childhood
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>i even remember crocodiles from my childhood
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>i even remember crocodiles from my childhood
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>i even remember crocodiles from my childhood
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>i even remember crocodiles from my childhood
20:33<Pikk>db set needs a V90
20:33<Pikk>db set needs a V90
20:33<Pikk>db set needs a V90
20:33<Pikk>db set needs a V90
20:33<Pikk>db set needs a V90
20:33<Pikk>db set needs a V90
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>dbset needs various stuff...
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>dbset needs various stuff...
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>dbset needs various stuff...
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>dbset needs various stuff...
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>dbset needs various stuff...
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>dbset needs various stuff...
20:34<Pikk>db set needs company colours! >:D
20:34<Pikk>db set needs company colours! >:D
20:34<Pikk>db set needs company colours! >:D
20:34<Pikk>db set needs company colours! >:D
20:34<Pikk>db set needs company colours! >:D
20:34<Pikk>db set needs company colours! >:D
20:34<Eddi|zuHause>but MB apparently bundles his releases with DNF
20:34<Eddi|zuHause>but MB apparently bundles his releases with DNF
20:34<Eddi|zuHause>but MB apparently bundles his releases with DNF
20:34<Eddi|zuHause>but MB apparently bundles his releases with DNF
20:34<Eddi|zuHause>but MB apparently bundles his releases with DNF
20:34<Eddi|zuHause>but MB apparently bundles his releases with DNF
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20:34<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause: i can go to the railway station and shudder if i see a 143
20:34<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause: i can go to the railway station and shudder if i see a 143
20:34<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause: i can go to the railway station and shudder if i see a 143
20:34<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause: i can go to the railway station and shudder if i see a 143
20:34<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause: i can go to the railway station and shudder if i see a 143
20:34<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause: i can go to the railway station and shudder if i see a 143
20:35<Sacro>not quite sure on my 101 reacton, I don't think there are that many
20:35<Sacro>not quite sure on my 101 reacton, I don't think there are that many
20:35<Sacro>not quite sure on my 101 reacton, I don't think there are that many
20:35<Sacro>not quite sure on my 101 reacton, I don't think there are that many
20:35<Sacro>not quite sure on my 101 reacton, I don't think there are that many
20:35<Sacro>not quite sure on my 101 reacton, I don't think there are that many
20:35<Sacro>welshdragon: linkeh
20:35<Sacro>welshdragon: linkeh
20:35<Sacro>welshdragon: linkeh
20:35<Sacro>welshdragon: linkeh
20:35<Sacro>welshdragon: linkeh
20:35<Sacro>welshdragon: linkeh
20:35<welshdragon>Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=220
20:35<welshdragon>Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=220
20:35<welshdragon>Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=220
20:35<welshdragon>Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=220
20:35<welshdragon>Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=220
20:35<welshdragon>Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=220
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>143 is the most common engine around here
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>143 is the most common engine around here
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>143 is the most common engine around here
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>143 is the most common engine around here
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>143 is the most common engine around here
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>143 is the most common engine around here
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>pretty much every local and regional train has one...
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>pretty much every local and regional train has one...
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>pretty much every local and regional train has one...
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>pretty much every local and regional train has one...
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>pretty much every local and regional train has one...
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>pretty much every local and regional train has one...
20:36<Eddi|zuHause>except a few that run on non-electrified tracks, which usually run DMUs
20:36<Eddi|zuHause>except a few that run on non-electrified tracks, which usually run DMUs
20:36<Eddi|zuHause>except a few that run on non-electrified tracks, which usually run DMUs
20:36<Eddi|zuHause>except a few that run on non-electrified tracks, which usually run DMUs
20:36<Eddi|zuHause>except a few that run on non-electrified tracks, which usually run DMUs
20:36<Eddi|zuHause>except a few that run on non-electrified tracks, which usually run DMUs
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20:36<Sacro>welshdragon: the rear on the \ view is rong
20:36<Sacro>welshdragon: the rear on the \ view is rong
20:36<Sacro>welshdragon: the rear on the \ view is rong
20:36<Sacro>welshdragon: the rear on the \ view is rong
20:36<Sacro>welshdragon: the rear on the \ view is rong
20:36<Sacro>welshdragon: the rear on the \ view is rong
20:36<Sacro>*wrong
20:36<Sacro>*wrong
20:36<Sacro>*wrong
20:36<Sacro>*wrong
20:36<Sacro>*wrong
20:36<Sacro>*wrong
20:36<welshdragon>yeah, it's a WIP
20:36<welshdragon>yeah, it's a WIP
20:36<welshdragon>yeah, it's a WIP
20:36<welshdragon>yeah, it's a WIP
20:36<welshdragon>yeah, it's a WIP
20:36<welshdragon>yeah, it's a WIP
20:36<Sacro>it looks bent
20:36<Sacro>it looks bent
20:36<Sacro>it looks bent
20:36<Sacro>it looks bent
20:36<Sacro>it looks bent
20:36<Sacro>it looks bent
20:36<Pikk>143 is tres boxsome
20:36<Pikk>143 is tres boxsome
20:36<Pikk>143 is tres boxsome
20:36<Pikk>143 is tres boxsome
20:36<Pikk>143 is tres boxsome
20:36<Pikk>143 is tres boxsome
20:37<Sacro>i don't get to go on one :(
20:37<Sacro>i don't get to go on one :(
20:37<Sacro>i don't get to go on one :(
20:37<Sacro>i don't get to go on one :(
20:37<Sacro>i don't get to go on one :(
20:37<Sacro>i don't get to go on one :(
20:37*Sacro is doing 158/222/222/HST
20:37*Sacro is doing 158/222/222/HST
20:37*Sacro is doing 158/222/222/HST
20:37*Sacro is doing 158/222/222/HST
20:37*Sacro is doing 158/222/222/HST
20:37*Sacro is doing 158/222/222/HST
20:37<Sacro>well, might be 221
20:37<Sacro>well, might be 221
20:37<Sacro>well, might be 221
20:37<Sacro>well, might be 221
20:37<Sacro>well, might be 221
20:37<Sacro>well, might be 221
20:37<welshdragon>Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=170 might be better
20:37<welshdragon>Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=170 might be better
20:37<welshdragon>Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=170 might be better
20:37<welshdragon>Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=170 might be better
20:37<welshdragon>Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=170 might be better
20:37<welshdragon>Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=170 might be better
20:37<Eddi|zuHause>Pikk: just the way i like them ;)
20:37<Eddi|zuHause>Pikk: just the way i like them ;)
20:37<Eddi|zuHause>Pikk: just the way i like them ;)
20:37<Eddi|zuHause>Pikk: just the way i like them ;)
20:37<Eddi|zuHause>Pikk: just the way i like them ;)
20:37<Eddi|zuHause>Pikk: just the way i like them ;)
20:38-!-Pikk is now known as Pikka
20:38-!-Pikk is now known as Pikka
20:38-!-Pikk is now known as Pikka
20:38-!-Pikk is now known as Pikka
20:38-!-Pikk is now known as Pikka
20:38-!-Pikk is now known as Pikka
20:38<Pikka>easier to draw, I guess :P
20:38<Pikka>easier to draw, I guess :P
20:38<Pikka>easier to draw, I guess :P
20:38<Pikka>easier to draw, I guess :P
20:38<Pikka>easier to draw, I guess :P
20:38<Pikka>easier to draw, I guess :P
20:38*Pikka is currently working on an A3... I got the horizontal views done at least. :P
20:38*Pikka is currently working on an A3... I got the horizontal views done at least. :P
20:38*Pikka is currently working on an A3... I got the horizontal views done at least. :P
20:38*Pikka is currently working on an A3... I got the horizontal views done at least. :P
20:38*Pikka is currently working on an A3... I got the horizontal views done at least. :P
20:38*Pikka is currently working on an A3... I got the horizontal views done at least. :P
20:38<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: the problem is, they are not in the dbset 0.82
20:38<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: the problem is, they are not in the dbset 0.82
20:38<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: the problem is, they are not in the dbset 0.82
20:38<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: the problem is, they are not in the dbset 0.82
20:38<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: the problem is, they are not in the dbset 0.82
20:38<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: the problem is, they are not in the dbset 0.82
20:39<Sacro>444 :D
20:39<Sacro>444 :D
20:39<Sacro>444 :D
20:39<Sacro>444 :D
20:39<Sacro>444 :D
20:39<Sacro>444 :D
20:39<Pikka>oh :)
20:39<Pikka>oh :)
20:39<Pikka>oh :)
20:39<Pikka>oh :)
20:39<Pikka>oh :)
20:39<Pikka>oh :)
20:39<welshdragon>Pikka: you mean you are doing one of these > http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=88
20:39<welshdragon>Pikka: you mean you are doing one of these > http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=88
20:39<welshdragon>Pikka: you mean you are doing one of these > http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=88
20:39<welshdragon>Pikka: you mean you are doing one of these > http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=88
20:39<welshdragon>Pikka: you mean you are doing one of these > http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=88
20:39<welshdragon>Pikka: you mean you are doing one of these > http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=88
20:39<Pikka>yes, welshdragon
20:39<Pikka>yes, welshdragon
20:39<Pikka>yes, welshdragon
20:39<Pikka>yes, welshdragon
20:39<Pikka>yes, welshdragon
20:39<Pikka>yes, welshdragon
20:39<Pikka>but the scale of pj1k is different from bros
20:39<Pikka>but the scale of pj1k is different from bros
20:39<Pikka>but the scale of pj1k is different from bros
20:39<Pikka>but the scale of pj1k is different from bros
20:39<Pikka>but the scale of pj1k is different from bros
20:39<Pikka>but the scale of pj1k is different from bros
20:40<welshdragon>hehe
20:40<welshdragon>hehe
20:40<welshdragon>hehe
20:40<welshdragon>hehe
20:40<welshdragon>hehe
20:40<welshdragon>hehe
20:40<Pikka>eddi: well, loco pool and all... you could make a "dbset compatible" one without editing the db set.
20:40<Pikka>eddi: well, loco pool and all... you could make a "dbset compatible" one without editing the db set.
20:40<Pikka>eddi: well, loco pool and all... you could make a "dbset compatible" one without editing the db set.
20:40<Pikka>eddi: well, loco pool and all... you could make a "dbset compatible" one without editing the db set.
20:40<Pikka>eddi: well, loco pool and all... you could make a "dbset compatible" one without editing the db set.
20:40<Pikka>eddi: well, loco pool and all... you could make a "dbset compatible" one without editing the db set.
20:40<Sacro>omg
20:40<Sacro>omg
20:40<Sacro>omg
20:40<Sacro>omg
20:40<Sacro>omg
20:40<Sacro>omg
20:40<Sacro>that a3 is beautiful
20:40<Sacro>that a3 is beautiful
20:40<Sacro>that a3 is beautiful
20:40<Sacro>that a3 is beautiful
20:40<Sacro>that a3 is beautiful
20:40<Sacro>that a3 is beautiful
20:41<welshdragon>look at page 2
20:41<welshdragon>look at page 2
20:41<welshdragon>look at page 2
20:41<welshdragon>look at page 2
20:41<welshdragon>look at page 2
20:41<welshdragon>look at page 2
20:41<Sacro>Yeah
20:41<Sacro>Yeah
20:41<Sacro>Yeah
20:41<Sacro>Yeah
20:41<Sacro>Yeah
20:41<Sacro>Yeah
20:41<Sacro>they look nice
20:41<Sacro>they look nice
20:41<Sacro>they look nice
20:41<Sacro>they look nice
20:41<Sacro>they look nice
20:41<Sacro>they look nice
20:41<Sacro>91s :D
20:41<Sacro>91s :D
20:41<Sacro>91s :D
20:41<Sacro>91s :D
20:41<Sacro>91s :D
20:41<Sacro>91s :D
20:42<welshdragon>Sacro: if you join I'll give you a special title 'honorary twat who's here to comment and not draw' :P
20:42<welshdragon>Sacro: if you join I'll give you a special title 'honorary twat who's here to comment and not draw' :P
20:42<welshdragon>Sacro: if you join I'll give you a special title 'honorary twat who's here to comment and not draw' :P
20:42<welshdragon>Sacro: if you join I'll give you a special title 'honorary twat who's here to comment and not draw' :P
20:42<welshdragon>Sacro: if you join I'll give you a special title 'honorary twat who's here to comment and not draw' :P
20:42<welshdragon>Sacro: if you join I'll give you a special title 'honorary twat who's here to comment and not draw' :P
20:42<Sacro>:D
20:42<Sacro>:D
20:42<Sacro>:D
20:42<Sacro>:D
20:42<Sacro>:D
20:42<Sacro>:D
20:42<Sacro>inb4 worley?
20:42<Sacro>inb4 worley?
20:42<Sacro>inb4 worley?
20:42<Sacro>inb4 worley?
20:42<Sacro>inb4 worley?
20:42<Sacro>inb4 worley?
20:42<welshdragon>yep
20:42<welshdragon>yep
20:42<welshdragon>yep
20:42<welshdragon>yep
20:42<welshdragon>yep
20:42<welshdragon>yep
20:43<Sacro>i imght draw
20:43<Sacro>i imght draw
20:43<Sacro>i imght draw
20:43<Sacro>i imght draw
20:43<Sacro>i imght draw
20:43<Sacro>i imght draw
20:43<Sacro>i might release some of my LULset
20:43<Sacro>i might release some of my LULset
20:43<Sacro>i might release some of my LULset
20:43<Sacro>i might release some of my LULset
20:43<Sacro>i might release some of my LULset
20:43<Sacro>i might release some of my LULset
20:43<welshdragon>hehe
20:43<welshdragon>hehe
20:43<welshdragon>hehe
20:43<welshdragon>hehe
20:43<welshdragon>hehe
20:43<welshdragon>hehe
20:43<welshdragon>ooh, that would be something special :)
20:43<welshdragon>ooh, that would be something special :)
20:43<welshdragon>ooh, that would be something special :)
20:43<welshdragon>ooh, that would be something special :)
20:43<welshdragon>ooh, that would be something special :)
20:43<welshdragon>ooh, that would be something special :)
20:43<Pikka>Sacro: for the lulz?
20:43<Pikka>Sacro: for the lulz?
20:43<Pikka>Sacro: for the lulz?
20:43<Pikka>Sacro: for the lulz?
20:43<Pikka>Sacro: for the lulz?
20:43<Pikka>Sacro: for the lulz?
20:43<Sacro>I've got some nice 95 stock
20:43<Sacro>I've got some nice 95 stock
20:43<Sacro>I've got some nice 95 stock
20:43<Sacro>I've got some nice 95 stock
20:43<Sacro>I've got some nice 95 stock
20:43<Sacro>I've got some nice 95 stock
20:43<Sacro>Pikka: indeed
20:43<Sacro>Pikka: indeed
20:43<Sacro>Pikka: indeed
20:43<Sacro>Pikka: indeed
20:43<Sacro>Pikka: indeed
20:43<Sacro>Pikka: indeed
20:43<Sacro>i think i have all the surface stock done
20:43<Sacro>i think i have all the surface stock done
20:43<Sacro>i think i have all the surface stock done
20:43<Sacro>i think i have all the surface stock done
20:43<Sacro>i think i have all the surface stock done
20:43<Sacro>i think i have all the surface stock done
20:43<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: he said he replaced the 112 with the 143 in v0.9, but that is, like i said, bundled with duke nukem forever...
20:43<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: he said he replaced the 112 with the 143 in v0.9, but that is, like i said, bundled with duke nukem forever...
20:43<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: he said he replaced the 112 with the 143 in v0.9, but that is, like i said, bundled with duke nukem forever...
20:43<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: he said he replaced the 112 with the 143 in v0.9, but that is, like i said, bundled with duke nukem forever...
20:43<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: he said he replaced the 112 with the 143 in v0.9, but that is, like i said, bundled with duke nukem forever...
20:43<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: he said he replaced the 112 with the 143 in v0.9, but that is, like i said, bundled with duke nukem forever...
20:44<Pikka>welshdragon: http://www.pikkarail.com/ttd/paccomp.png
20:44<Pikka>welshdragon: http://www.pikkarail.com/ttd/paccomp.png
20:44<Pikka>welshdragon: http://www.pikkarail.com/ttd/paccomp.png
20:44<Pikka>welshdragon: http://www.pikkarail.com/ttd/paccomp.png
20:44<Pikka>welshdragon: http://www.pikkarail.com/ttd/paccomp.png
20:44<Pikka>welshdragon: http://www.pikkarail.com/ttd/paccomp.png
20:44<Eddi|zuHause>it's basically the same thing, though...
20:44<Eddi|zuHause>it's basically the same thing, though...
20:44<Eddi|zuHause>it's basically the same thing, though...
20:44<Eddi|zuHause>it's basically the same thing, though...
20:44<Eddi|zuHause>it's basically the same thing, though...
20:44<Eddi|zuHause>it's basically the same thing, though...
20:45<welshdragon>ooh
20:45<welshdragon>ooh
20:45<welshdragon>ooh
20:45<welshdragon>ooh
20:45<welshdragon>ooh
20:45<welshdragon>ooh
20:45<Sacro>found some
20:45<Sacro>found some
20:45<Sacro>found some
20:45<Sacro>found some
20:45<Sacro>found some
20:45<Sacro>found some
20:45<Sacro>found a, c, c refurb
20:45<Sacro>found a, c, c refurb
20:45<Sacro>found a, c, c refurb
20:45<Sacro>found a, c, c refurb
20:45<Sacro>found a, c, c refurb
20:45<Sacro>found a, c, c refurb
20:45<Sacro>d and d refurb
20:45<Sacro>d and d refurb
20:45<Sacro>d and d refurb
20:45<Sacro>d and d refurb
20:45<Sacro>d and d refurb
20:45<Sacro>d and d refurb
20:45<Sacro>but of q too
20:45<Sacro>but of q too
20:45<Sacro>but of q too
20:45<Sacro>but of q too
20:45<Sacro>but of q too
20:45<Sacro>but of q too
20:46<Sacro>q stock = sexy
20:46<Sacro>q stock = sexy
20:46<Sacro>q stock = sexy
20:46<Sacro>q stock = sexy
20:46<Sacro>q stock = sexy
20:46<Sacro>q stock = sexy
20:46<Sacro>http://www.piccadilly-line.org.uk/5th%20March%202006%20016.jpg
20:46<Sacro>http://www.piccadilly-line.org.uk/5th%20March%202006%20016.jpg
20:46<Sacro>http://www.piccadilly-line.org.uk/5th%20March%202006%20016.jpg
20:46<Sacro>http://www.piccadilly-line.org.uk/5th%20March%202006%20016.jpg
20:46<Sacro>http://www.piccadilly-line.org.uk/5th%20March%202006%20016.jpg
20:46<Sacro>http://www.piccadilly-line.org.uk/5th%20March%202006%20016.jpg
20:47<Sacro>Password must be between 6 and 30 characters long, must contain letters in mixed case and must contain numbers. <- bullsh
20:47<Sacro>Password must be between 6 and 30 characters long, must contain letters in mixed case and must contain numbers. <- bullsh
20:47<Sacro>Password must be between 6 and 30 characters long, must contain letters in mixed case and must contain numbers. <- bullsh
20:47<Sacro>Password must be between 6 and 30 characters long, must contain letters in mixed case and must contain numbers. <- bullsh
20:47<Sacro>Password must be between 6 and 30 characters long, must contain letters in mixed case and must contain numbers. <- bullsh
20:47<Sacro>Password must be between 6 and 30 characters long, must contain letters in mixed case and must contain numbers. <- bullsh
20:47<welshdragon>nope, sorry
20:47<welshdragon>nope, sorry
20:47<welshdragon>nope, sorry
20:47<welshdragon>nope, sorry
20:47<welshdragon>nope, sorry
20:47<welshdragon>nope, sorry
20:47<welshdragon>anti-spam measure :P
20:47<welshdragon>anti-spam measure :P
20:47<welshdragon>anti-spam measure :P
20:47<welshdragon>anti-spam measure :P
20:47<welshdragon>anti-spam measure :P
20:47<welshdragon>anti-spam measure :P
20:47<Sacro>makes my password less secure
20:47<Sacro>makes my password less secure
20:47<Sacro>makes my password less secure
20:47<Sacro>makes my password less secure
20:47<Sacro>makes my password less secure
20:47<Sacro>makes my password less secure
20:48<Sacro>do want own forum
20:48<Sacro>do want own forum
20:48<Sacro>do want own forum
20:48<Sacro>do want own forum
20:48<Sacro>do want own forum
20:48<Sacro>do want own forum
20:48<welshdragon>Sacro: it was easy
20:48<welshdragon>Sacro: it was easy
20:48<welshdragon>Sacro: it was easy
20:48<welshdragon>Sacro: it was easy
20:48<welshdragon>Sacro: it was easy
20:48<welshdragon>Sacro: it was easy
20:48<Sacro>welshdragon: make me a subform
20:48<Sacro>welshdragon: make me a subform
20:48<Sacro>welshdragon: make me a subform
20:48<Sacro>welshdragon: make me a subform
20:48<Sacro>welshdragon: make me a subform
20:48<Sacro>welshdragon: make me a subform
20:48<Sacro>:p
20:48<Sacro>:p
20:48<Sacro>:p
20:48<Sacro>:p
20:48<Sacro>:p
20:48<Sacro>:p
20:48<Sacro>I might do some 3rd and 4th rail too
20:48<Sacro>I might do some 3rd and 4th rail too
20:48<Sacro>I might do some 3rd and 4th rail too
20:48<Sacro>I might do some 3rd and 4th rail too
20:48<Sacro>I might do some 3rd and 4th rail too
20:48<Sacro>I might do some 3rd and 4th rail too
20:48<Sacro>and some nicer signals
20:48<Sacro>and some nicer signals
20:48<Sacro>and some nicer signals
20:48<Sacro>and some nicer signals
20:48<Sacro>and some nicer signals
20:48<Sacro>and some nicer signals
20:48<welshdragon>Sacro: agree to the license first :P
20:48<welshdragon>Sacro: agree to the license first :P
20:48<welshdragon>Sacro: agree to the license first :P
20:48<welshdragon>Sacro: agree to the license first :P
20:48<welshdragon>Sacro: agree to the license first :P
20:48<welshdragon>Sacro: agree to the license first :P
20:48<Sacro>what licence?
20:48<Sacro>what licence?
20:48<Sacro>what licence?
20:48<Sacro>what licence?
20:48<Sacro>what licence?
20:48<Sacro>what licence?
20:49<welshdragon>it's a readme
20:49<welshdragon>it's a readme
20:49<welshdragon>it's a readme
20:49<welshdragon>it's a readme
20:49<welshdragon>it's a readme
20:49<welshdragon>it's a readme
20:49<Sacro>my stuff is CC-BY-SA
20:49<Sacro>my stuff is CC-BY-SA
20:49<Sacro>my stuff is CC-BY-SA
20:49<Sacro>my stuff is CC-BY-SA
20:49<Sacro>my stuff is CC-BY-SA
20:49<Sacro>my stuff is CC-BY-SA
20:49<Sacro>link me
20:49<Sacro>link me
20:49<Sacro>link me
20:49<Sacro>link me
20:49<Sacro>link me
20:49<Sacro>link me
20:49<Sacro>found
20:49<Sacro>found
20:49<Sacro>found
20:49<Sacro>found
20:49<Sacro>found
20:49<Sacro>found
20:49<welshdragon>http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16
20:49<welshdragon>http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16
20:49<welshdragon>http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16
20:49<welshdragon>http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16
20:49<welshdragon>http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16
20:49<welshdragon>http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16
20:50<Sacro>sigh, I disagree with using the GPL for graphics
20:50<Sacro>sigh, I disagree with using the GPL for graphics
20:50<Sacro>sigh, I disagree with using the GPL for graphics
20:50<Sacro>sigh, I disagree with using the GPL for graphics
20:50<Sacro>sigh, I disagree with using the GPL for graphics
20:50<Sacro>sigh, I disagree with using the GPL for graphics
20:51<welshdragon>i know
20:51<welshdragon>i know
20:51<welshdragon>i know
20:51<welshdragon>i know
20:51<welshdragon>i know
20:51<welshdragon>i know
20:51<welshdragon>i know
20:51<welshdragon>i know
20:51<welshdragon>i know
20:51<welshdragon>i know
20:51<welshdragon>i know
20:51<welshdragon>i know
20:52<Sacro>:(
20:52<Sacro>:(
20:52<Sacro>:(
20:52<Sacro>:(
20:52<Sacro>:(
20:52<Sacro>:(
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20:54<Eddi|zuHause>you can't use CC-BY-SA graphics in a GPL project
20:54<Eddi|zuHause>you can't use CC-BY-SA graphics in a GPL project
20:54<Eddi|zuHause>you can't use CC-BY-SA graphics in a GPL project
20:54<Eddi|zuHause>you can't use CC-BY-SA graphics in a GPL project
20:54<Eddi|zuHause>you can't use CC-BY-SA graphics in a GPL project
20:54<Eddi|zuHause>you can't use CC-BY-SA graphics in a GPL project
20:56<Sacro>true
20:56<Sacro>true
20:56<Sacro>true
20:56<Sacro>true
20:56<Sacro>true
20:56<Sacro>true
20:57<Sacro>GPL sucks but i guess I could release under it
20:57<Sacro>GPL sucks but i guess I could release under it
20:57<Sacro>GPL sucks but i guess I could release under it
20:57<Sacro>GPL sucks but i guess I could release under it
20:57<Sacro>GPL sucks but i guess I could release under it
20:57<Sacro>GPL sucks but i guess I could release under it
20:58<welshdragon>Sacro: i've made you a moderator of your forum
20:58<welshdragon>Sacro: i've made you a moderator of your forum
20:58<welshdragon>Sacro: i've made you a moderator of your forum
20:58<welshdragon>Sacro: i've made you a moderator of your forum
20:58<welshdragon>Sacro: i've made you a moderator of your forum
20:58<welshdragon>Sacro: i've made you a moderator of your forum
20:58<Sacro>:D
20:58<Sacro>:D
20:58<Sacro>:D
20:58<Sacro>:D
20:58<Sacro>:D
20:58<Sacro>:D
20:58<welshdragon>I should really make Pikka the moderator for the UKRS graphics, but he hardly visits ;/
20:58<welshdragon>I should really make Pikka the moderator for the UKRS graphics, but he hardly visits ;/
20:58<welshdragon>I should really make Pikka the moderator for the UKRS graphics, but he hardly visits ;/
20:58<welshdragon>I should really make Pikka the moderator for the UKRS graphics, but he hardly visits ;/
20:58<welshdragon>I should really make Pikka the moderator for the UKRS graphics, but he hardly visits ;/
20:58<welshdragon>I should really make Pikka the moderator for the UKRS graphics, but he hardly visits ;/
20:58*Sacro brings a chair and a pot plant
20:58*Sacro brings a chair and a pot plant
20:58*Sacro brings a chair and a pot plant
20:58*Sacro brings a chair and a pot plant
20:58*Sacro brings a chair and a pot plant
20:58*Sacro brings a chair and a pot plant
20:59<Pikka>you're not really using them anyway, are you?
20:59<Pikka>you're not really using them anyway, are you?
20:59<Pikka>you're not really using them anyway, are you?
20:59<Pikka>you're not really using them anyway, are you?
20:59<Pikka>you're not really using them anyway, are you?
20:59<Pikka>you're not really using them anyway, are you?
20:59<welshdragon>no
20:59<welshdragon>no
20:59<welshdragon>no
20:59<welshdragon>no
20:59<welshdragon>no
20:59<welshdragon>no
20:59<Pikka>and it's not like I'm going to add anything new there
20:59<Pikka>and it's not like I'm going to add anything new there
20:59<Pikka>and it's not like I'm going to add anything new there
20:59<Pikka>and it's not like I'm going to add anything new there
20:59<Pikka>and it's not like I'm going to add anything new there
20:59<Pikka>and it's not like I'm going to add anything new there
20:59<welshdragon>true
20:59<welshdragon>true
20:59<welshdragon>true
20:59<welshdragon>true
20:59<welshdragon>true
20:59<welshdragon>true
20:59<welshdragon>They are there for some reason
20:59<welshdragon>They are there for some reason
20:59<welshdragon>They are there for some reason
20:59<welshdragon>They are there for some reason
20:59<welshdragon>They are there for some reason
20:59<welshdragon>They are there for some reason
21:00<welshdragon>(Lawton)
21:00<welshdragon>(Lawton)
21:00<welshdragon>(Lawton)
21:00<welshdragon>(Lawton)
21:00<welshdragon>(Lawton)
21:00<welshdragon>(Lawton)
21:00<Sacro>hmm, not sure if i have permission to GPL these things
21:00<Sacro>hmm, not sure if i have permission to GPL these things
21:00<Sacro>hmm, not sure if i have permission to GPL these things
21:00<Sacro>hmm, not sure if i have permission to GPL these things
21:00<Sacro>hmm, not sure if i have permission to GPL these things
21:00<Sacro>hmm, not sure if i have permission to GPL these things
21:00<Eddi|zuHause>argh, and the forum does it again...
21:00<Eddi|zuHause>argh, and the forum does it again...
21:00<Eddi|zuHause>argh, and the forum does it again...
21:00<Eddi|zuHause>argh, and the forum does it again...
21:00<Eddi|zuHause>argh, and the forum does it again...
21:00<Eddi|zuHause>argh, and the forum does it again...
21:00<Sacro>they might be RonStar's actually
21:00<Sacro>they might be RonStar's actually
21:00<Sacro>they might be RonStar's actually
21:00<Sacro>they might be RonStar's actually
21:00<Sacro>they might be RonStar's actually
21:00<Sacro>they might be RonStar's actually
21:00<Sacro>some i know where done by lws1984
21:00<Sacro>some i know where done by lws1984
21:00<Sacro>some i know where done by lws1984
21:00<Sacro>some i know where done by lws1984
21:00<Sacro>some i know where done by lws1984
21:00<Sacro>some i know where done by lws1984
21:01<welshdragon>he's said all his stuff can be GPL
21:01<welshdragon>he's said all his stuff can be GPL
21:01<welshdragon>he's said all his stuff can be GPL
21:01<welshdragon>he's said all his stuff can be GPL
21:01<welshdragon>he's said all his stuff can be GPL
21:01<welshdragon>he's said all his stuff can be GPL
21:01<welshdragon>as is Ronnie's
21:01<welshdragon>as is Ronnie's
21:01<welshdragon>as is Ronnie's
21:01<welshdragon>as is Ronnie's
21:01<welshdragon>as is Ronnie's
21:01<welshdragon>as is Ronnie's
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21:02<welshdragon>Sacro: next thing: come and idle in #bros
21:02<welshdragon>Sacro: next thing: come and idle in #bros
21:02<welshdragon>Sacro: next thing: come and idle in #bros
21:02<welshdragon>Sacro: next thing: come and idle in #bros
21:02<welshdragon>Sacro: next thing: come and idle in #bros
21:02<welshdragon>Sacro: next thing: come and idle in #bros
21:02<welshdragon>i may, may, give you ops in that channel
21:02<welshdragon>i may, may, give you ops in that channel
21:02<welshdragon>i may, may, give you ops in that channel
21:02<welshdragon>i may, may, give you ops in that channel
21:02<welshdragon>i may, may, give you ops in that channel
21:02<welshdragon>i may, may, give you ops in that channel
21:04<Sacro>what server?
21:04<Sacro>what server?
21:04<Sacro>what server?
21:04<Sacro>what server?
21:04<Sacro>what server?
21:04<Sacro>what server?
21:05<welshdragon>same as this one
21:05<welshdragon>same as this one
21:05<welshdragon>same as this one
21:05<welshdragon>same as this one
21:05<welshdragon>same as this one
21:05<welshdragon>same as this one
21:05<Eddi|zuHause>hm, this is funny, apparently there is a war going on between the german blogosphere and the german wikipedia, because wikipedia does not accept anything on the inteernet as ressource, so quite a number of articles related to recent events about the "internet civil rights movement" have been deleted for "irrelevance"
21:05<Eddi|zuHause>hm, this is funny, apparently there is a war going on between the german blogosphere and the german wikipedia, because wikipedia does not accept anything on the inteernet as ressource, so quite a number of articles related to recent events about the "internet civil rights movement" have been deleted for "irrelevance"
21:05<Eddi|zuHause>hm, this is funny, apparently there is a war going on between the german blogosphere and the german wikipedia, because wikipedia does not accept anything on the inteernet as ressource, so quite a number of articles related to recent events about the "internet civil rights movement" have been deleted for "irrelevance"
21:05<Eddi|zuHause>hm, this is funny, apparently there is a war going on between the german blogosphere and the german wikipedia, because wikipedia does not accept anything on the inteernet as ressource, so quite a number of articles related to recent events about the "internet civil rights movement" have been deleted for "irrelevance"
21:05<Eddi|zuHause>hm, this is funny, apparently there is a war going on between the german blogosphere and the german wikipedia, because wikipedia does not accept anything on the inteernet as ressource, so quite a number of articles related to recent events about the "internet civil rights movement" have been deleted for "irrelevance"
21:05<Eddi|zuHause>hm, this is funny, apparently there is a war going on between the german blogosphere and the german wikipedia, because wikipedia does not accept anything on the inteernet as ressource, so quite a number of articles related to recent events about the "internet civil rights movement" have been deleted for "irrelevance"
21:06<Sacro>heh
21:06<Sacro>heh
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21:06<Sacro>heh
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21:38<Tekky>Hi, in case anyone is interested, I just created a patch for OpenTTD in which trains only lose reliability when they are moving. They no longer lose reliability when they are waiting for a full load or when they are deadlocked in front of a red signal. Please see the forum for further information: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=45590
21:38<Tekky>Hi, in case anyone is interested, I just created a patch for OpenTTD in which trains only lose reliability when they are moving. They no longer lose reliability when they are waiting for a full load or when they are deadlocked in front of a red signal. Please see the forum for further information: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=45590
21:38<Tekky>Hi, in case anyone is interested, I just created a patch for OpenTTD in which trains only lose reliability when they are moving. They no longer lose reliability when they are waiting for a full load or when they are deadlocked in front of a red signal. Please see the forum for further information: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=45590
21:38<Tekky>Hi, in case anyone is interested, I just created a patch for OpenTTD in which trains only lose reliability when they are moving. They no longer lose reliability when they are waiting for a full load or when they are deadlocked in front of a red signal. Please see the forum for further information: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=45590
21:38<Tekky>Hi, in case anyone is interested, I just created a patch for OpenTTD in which trains only lose reliability when they are moving. They no longer lose reliability when they are waiting for a full load or when they are deadlocked in front of a red signal. Please see the forum for further information: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=45590
21:38<Tekky>Hi, in case anyone is interested, I just created a patch for OpenTTD in which trains only lose reliability when they are moving. They no longer lose reliability when they are waiting for a full load or when they are deadlocked in front of a red signal. Please see the forum for further information: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=45590
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>sounds useful
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>sounds useful
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>sounds useful
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>sounds useful
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>sounds useful
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>sounds useful
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>if i only played with breakdowns :p
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>if i only played with breakdowns :p
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>if i only played with breakdowns :p
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>if i only played with breakdowns :p
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>if i only played with breakdowns :p
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>if i only played with breakdowns :p
21:40<Eddi|zuHause>Tekky: if you can fiddle this in there: make trains not lose reliability when breakdowns are disabled
21:40<Eddi|zuHause>Tekky: if you can fiddle this in there: make trains not lose reliability when breakdowns are disabled
21:40<Eddi|zuHause>Tekky: if you can fiddle this in there: make trains not lose reliability when breakdowns are disabled
21:40<Eddi|zuHause>Tekky: if you can fiddle this in there: make trains not lose reliability when breakdowns are disabled
21:40<Eddi|zuHause>Tekky: if you can fiddle this in there: make trains not lose reliability when breakdowns are disabled
21:40<Eddi|zuHause>Tekky: if you can fiddle this in there: make trains not lose reliability when breakdowns are disabled
21:41<Eddi|zuHause>it's silly that when breakdowns and servicing is disabled, trains are running around with 0% reliability
21:41<Eddi|zuHause>it's silly that when breakdowns and servicing is disabled, trains are running around with 0% reliability
21:41<Eddi|zuHause>it's silly that when breakdowns and servicing is disabled, trains are running around with 0% reliability
21:41<Eddi|zuHause>it's silly that when breakdowns and servicing is disabled, trains are running around with 0% reliability
21:41<Eddi|zuHause>it's silly that when breakdowns and servicing is disabled, trains are running around with 0% reliability
21:41<Eddi|zuHause>it's silly that when breakdowns and servicing is disabled, trains are running around with 0% reliability
21:42<Tekky>Actually, my patch already does that, as a side effect, I think. I haven't actually tested it, but by looking at the code, I think the reliability will not decrease.
21:42<Tekky>Actually, my patch already does that, as a side effect, I think. I haven't actually tested it, but by looking at the code, I think the reliability will not decrease.
21:42<Tekky>Actually, my patch already does that, as a side effect, I think. I haven't actually tested it, but by looking at the code, I think the reliability will not decrease.
21:42<Tekky>Actually, my patch already does that, as a side effect, I think. I haven't actually tested it, but by looking at the code, I think the reliability will not decrease.
21:42<Tekky>Actually, my patch already does that, as a side effect, I think. I haven't actually tested it, but by looking at the code, I think the reliability will not decrease.
21:42<Tekky>Actually, my patch already does that, as a side effect, I think. I haven't actually tested it, but by looking at the code, I think the reliability will not decrease.
21:42<Tekky>Just a moment, I will test it.
21:42<Tekky>Just a moment, I will test it.
21:42<Tekky>Just a moment, I will test it.
21:42<Tekky>Just a moment, I will test it.
21:42<Tekky>Just a moment, I will test it.
21:42<Tekky>Just a moment, I will test it.
21:44<Tekky>Yes, as I thought.... my patch already does what you want. :)21:44 < Tekky> Yes, as I thought.... my patch already does what you want. :)
21:44<Tekky>Yes, as I thought.... my patch already does what you want. :)
21:44<Tekky>Yes, as I thought.... my patch already does what you want. :)
21:44<Tekky>Yes, as I thought.... my patch already does what you want. :)
21:44<Tekky>Yes, as I thought.... my patch already does what you want. :)
21:44<Eddi|zuHause>fine
21:44<Eddi|zuHause>fine
21:44<Eddi|zuHause>fine
21:44<Eddi|zuHause>fine
21:44<Eddi|zuHause>fine
21:44<Eddi|zuHause>fine
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21:47<Eddi|zuHause>also a once annoying situation: a train that was stopped in a depot for a while would come out of it with 0% reliability and immediately turn back for servicing
21:47<Eddi|zuHause>also a once annoying situation: a train that was stopped in a depot for a while would come out of it with 0% reliability and immediately turn back for servicing
21:47<Eddi|zuHause>also a once annoying situation: a train that was stopped in a depot for a while would come out of it with 0% reliability and immediately turn back for servicing
21:47<Eddi|zuHause>also a once annoying situation: a train that was stopped in a depot for a while would come out of it with 0% reliability and immediately turn back for servicing
21:47<Eddi|zuHause>also a once annoying situation: a train that was stopped in a depot for a while would come out of it with 0% reliability and immediately turn back for servicing
21:47<Eddi|zuHause>also a once annoying situation: a train that was stopped in a depot for a while would come out of it with 0% reliability and immediately turn back for servicing
21:47<Eddi|zuHause>but that might have been resolved by servicing again on leaving the depot, not sure
21:47<Eddi|zuHause>but that might have been resolved by servicing again on leaving the depot, not sure
21:47<Eddi|zuHause>but that might have been resolved by servicing again on leaving the depot, not sure
21:47<Eddi|zuHause>but that might have been resolved by servicing again on leaving the depot, not sure
21:47<Eddi|zuHause>but that might have been resolved by servicing again on leaving the depot, not sure
21:47<Eddi|zuHause>but that might have been resolved by servicing again on leaving the depot, not sure
21:48<Tekky>Hehe, yes, with my patch, that will no longer happen, as only moving trains will lose reliability.
21:48<Tekky>Hehe, yes, with my patch, that will no longer happen, as only moving trains will lose reliability.
21:48<Tekky>Hehe, yes, with my patch, that will no longer happen, as only moving trains will lose reliability.
21:48<Tekky>Hehe, yes, with my patch, that will no longer happen, as only moving trains will lose reliability.
21:48<Tekky>Hehe, yes, with my patch, that will no longer happen, as only moving trains will lose reliability.
21:48<Tekky>Hehe, yes, with my patch, that will no longer happen, as only moving trains will lose reliability.
21:49<Tekky>Of course, if you have breakdowns disabled, trains will NEVER lose reliability.
21:49<Tekky>Of course, if you have breakdowns disabled, trains will NEVER lose reliability.
21:49<Tekky>Of course, if you have breakdowns disabled, trains will NEVER lose reliability.
21:49<Tekky>Of course, if you have breakdowns disabled, trains will NEVER lose reliability.
21:49<Tekky>Of course, if you have breakdowns disabled, trains will NEVER lose reliability.
21:49<Tekky>Of course, if you have breakdowns disabled, trains will NEVER lose reliability.
21:51<Tekky>assuming of course that you are using my patch. Otherwise, they WILL lose reliability, as you have already pointed out.
21:51<Tekky>assuming of course that you are using my patch. Otherwise, they WILL lose reliability, as you have already pointed out.
21:51<Tekky>assuming of course that you are using my patch. Otherwise, they WILL lose reliability, as you have already pointed out.
21:51<Tekky>assuming of course that you are using my patch. Otherwise, they WILL lose reliability, as you have already pointed out.
21:51<Tekky>assuming of course that you are using my patch. Otherwise, they WILL lose reliability, as you have already pointed out.
21:51<Tekky>assuming of course that you are using my patch. Otherwise, they WILL lose reliability, as you have already pointed out.
21:53<Tekky>However, I am not the first one to work on improving the breakdown system. For example, forum user 'Swallow', who now renamed himself to 'Hirundo', did some very interesting work: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39518
21:53<Tekky>However, I am not the first one to work on improving the breakdown system. For example, forum user 'Swallow', who now renamed himself to 'Hirundo', did some very interesting work: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39518
21:53<Tekky>However, I am not the first one to work on improving the breakdown system. For example, forum user 'Swallow', who now renamed himself to 'Hirundo', did some very interesting work: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39518
21:53<Tekky>However, I am not the first one to work on improving the breakdown system. For example, forum user 'Swallow', who now renamed himself to 'Hirundo', did some very interesting work: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39518
21:53<Tekky>However, I am not the first one to work on improving the breakdown system. For example, forum user 'Swallow', who now renamed himself to 'Hirundo', did some very interesting work: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39518
21:53<Tekky>However, I am not the first one to work on improving the breakdown system. For example, forum user 'Swallow', who now renamed himself to 'Hirundo', did some very interesting work: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39518
21:54<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, i remember that...
21:54<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, i remember that...
21:54<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, i remember that...
21:54<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, i remember that...
21:54<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, i remember that...
21:54<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, i remember that...
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21:58<Tekky>I think it may be better to make trains only brake down if you neglect them by not servicing them. Brakedowns despite having a high reliability should be made less frequent, I think.
21:58<Tekky>I think it may be better to make trains only brake down if you neglect them by not servicing them. Brakedowns despite having a high reliability should be made less frequent, I think.
21:58<Tekky>I think it may be better to make trains only brake down if you neglect them by not servicing them. Brakedowns despite having a high reliability should be made less frequent, I think.
21:58<Tekky>I think it may be better to make trains only brake down if you neglect them by not servicing them. Brakedowns despite having a high reliability should be made less frequent, I think.
21:58<Tekky>I think it may be better to make trains only brake down if you neglect them by not servicing them. Brakedowns despite having a high reliability should be made less frequent, I think.
21:58<Tekky>I think it may be better to make trains only brake down if you neglect them by not servicing them. Brakedowns despite having a high reliability should be made less frequent, I think.
22:00<Tekky>Otherwise, breakdowns get too annoying.
22:00<Tekky>Otherwise, breakdowns get too annoying.
22:00<Tekky>Otherwise, breakdowns get too annoying.
22:00<Tekky>Otherwise, breakdowns get too annoying.
22:00<Tekky>Otherwise, breakdowns get too annoying.
22:00<Tekky>Otherwise, breakdowns get too annoying.
22:06<Tekky>I am going to bed now, good night.
22:06<Tekky>I am going to bed now, good night.
22:06<Tekky>I am going to bed now, good night.
22:06<Tekky>I am going to bed now, good night.
22:06<Tekky>I am going to bed now, good night.
22:06<Tekky>I am going to bed now, good night.
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