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#openttd IRC Logs for 2009-10-26

---Logopened Mon Oct 26 00:00:46 2009
00:01<Eddi|zuHause>build a road depot
00:02<DarkTakua>ok
00:02<Eddi|zuHause>i recommend you download some AIs that can show you a few things
00:03<DarkTakua>kk
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07:06<Pikka>you say goodbye, but I say hello
07:06<Pikka>hello hello
07:06<Pikka>I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
07:08<@Rubidium>Why, why, why, why, why, why?
07:11<Sacro>Pikka: hello, goodbye
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07:23<LadyHawk>Pikka wtf, that song was just on the radio
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08:08<Pikka>LadyHawk: I'm magic like that
08:10*Rubidium queues Queen :)
08:12*TrueBrain pictures Rubidium dancing on Queen, and runs away scared
08:12<@Rubidium>dancing, what's that?
08:13<@Rubidium>but... must say your imagination is running wild
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08:24<CIA-9>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17876 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the network company password window nested
08:29<Eddi|zuHause>on the first glance, i just read "TrueBrain pictures Rubidium as dancing queen"
08:30<TrueBrain>now you have a twisted imagination
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08:31<Eddi|zuHause>well. it might be related to Rubidium having a pink colour :p
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08:43<CIA-9>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17877 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt network/network_gui.cpp): -Fix (r1322/r1174/r464): do not hardcode 'Ban' for GUI purposes, i.e. make it translatable
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08:45<@Rubidium>TrainzStoffe: you really should get a more stable internet connection
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08:56<Luukland>Can someone tell me how long 1 game day takes?
08:56<Luukland>in sec?
08:56<+glx>~2.5
08:56<@Rubidium>2.220
08:56<@Rubidium>assuming your OS' scheduler doesn't mess with it
08:57<Luukland>Ok thx Rubidididum
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11:00<dihedral>Rubidium, wrt r17877 what's with kick?
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11:04<+glx>check the diff dihedral :)
11:06<dihedral>interesting
11:06<dihedral>cause kick aint in wt3
11:06<dihedral>TrueBrain, ^ :-P
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11:08<+glx>dihedral: your search skill is broken
11:09<dihedral>i doubt that searching for 'kick' can be that hard
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11:09<+glx>it works for me
11:09<teuntjuhh>#luukland
11:09<teuntjuhh>hmm
11:09<teuntjuhh>how does that works
11:09<dihedral>glx, not for me :-P
11:09<yorick>teuntjuhh: /join #luukland
11:10<dihedral>i have no idea how wt3 is setup
11:10<+glx>dihedral: it give me 3 results
11:10<dihedral>it gives me none
11:10<+glx>all checkboxes checked btw
11:11<dihedral>yep
11:11<dihedral>interesting
11:11<dihedral>it's not listed in the 'waiting for commit' strings
11:11<+glx>why would it?
11:11<dihedral>and not in the 'untranslated'
11:12<dihedral>however, it's in all
11:12<+glx>kick is an old string
11:12<dihedral>oh, wait
11:12<dihedral>forget it :-(
11:12*dihedral sings a song and walks away as if nothing had ever happened :-P
11:19<@Rubidium>... but you highlighted me!
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12:07<dihedral>just shows how much i like you :-P
12:17<TrueBrain>ieuw
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12:49<Belugas>toum te doum
12:49<Belugas>patati et patata
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13:27<nicfer1>what's the difference between cargo distribution and cargo destination patchs? which one do you recommend me?
13:28<Sacro>"The proposal - initially approved in 2008 - would allow domain names written in Asian, Arabic..."
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13:35<MyCatVerbs>Sacro: Which proposal is this? Punycode's already in and I think a handful of domain registrars pretty much allow utf8 outright.
13:37<Sacro>hmm
13:37<Sacro>i was more referring to the issue that 'asian' isn't a language nor a charset
13:39<MyCatVerbs>Oh, I see.
13:39<MyCatVerbs>Well, okay, languages of Asian origin. :)
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13:45<CIA-9>OpenTTD: translators * r17878 /trunk/src/lang/ (french.txt german.txt hungarian.txt):
13:45<CIA-9>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-9>OpenTTD: french - 6 changes by glx
13:45<CIA-9>OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by dihedral
13:45<CIA-9>OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changes by alyr
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14:05<planetmaker>dihedral, mind if I correct the translation from "Bann" to "Sperren"?
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14:16<CIA-9>OpenTTD: smatz * r17879 /trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp: -Codechange: convert awarded pax subsidies from old savegames using simple heuristic (instead of deleting them)
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14:51<Terkhen>hello
14:53<Belugas>hello Terkhen
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14:54<Luukland>Guys, might I request a bigger ban list, or use of * in banlist?
14:54<Luukland>I have been running servers now for 1 week
14:54<Luukland>But its full again
14:55<Luukland>The banlist >_,
14:55<Belugas>how many entries are allowed now?
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14:55<Luukland>25
14:55<Luukland>Which isn't enough
14:55<Belugas>i don't know, i really ask...
14:55<@Rubidium>you can keep requesting it, but I'm not going to add it to trunk
14:55<Luukland>ok thx
14:55<Luukland>I mean, not thx
14:56<frosch123>wasn't there already something added like that?
14:56<Luukland>I am banning like crops, how the hell am I supposed to keep every bad player out"?
14:56<Yexo>good evening
14:56<@Rubidium>ban 0.0.0.0/0
14:57<Luukland>:S
14:57<Luukland>I am plain serious
14:57<MyCatVerbs>Make the server private and invite specific people in. :P
14:57<Luukland>LOL
14:58<Luukland>Rubidium? If we provide a small patch
14:59<Luukland>would you be able to put it in trunk?
14:59<Luukland>not able, but interested
15:00<@Rubidium>if you can actually make a patch that makes the limit basically a memory limit I'd be very interested
15:01<@Rubidium>but it has to be for trunk; I don't want to update a 0.7 patch
15:02<Luukland>certainly
15:02<planetmaker>I guess a limit of 0xFFFF (pool size) would suffice, too?
15:03<+glx>no limit is better
15:03<planetmaker>:-)
15:03<_ln>hello {Terkhen,Yexo}
15:03<planetmaker>Is my assumption correct, though, that pools are limited to 65k?
15:04<frosch123>no
15:04<planetmaker>oh :-)
15:04<planetmaker>good to hear
15:04<frosch123>also you would not store ban lists in pools
15:04<planetmaker>hm... why not?
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15:04<frosch123>as you do not want to store them in savegames
15:05<planetmaker>he, of course :-)
15:05<frosch123>and you do not need persistent IDs
15:05<yorick>shouldn't stuff be licensed as AGPL?
15:06<frosch123>we always wait for the YA
15:07<yorick>@svn rev 15931
15:07<@DorpsGek>yorick: Invalid arguments for svn.
15:07<yorick>@svn revision 15931
15:07<@DorpsGek>yorick: Invalid arguments for svn.
15:07<yorick>@rev 15931
15:07<yorick>bah :(
15:07<yorick>@revision 15931
15:07<yorick>:-|
15:07<frosch123>you killed him
15:08<yorick>r15931: -Codechange: let the host and ban lists use of SmallVector.
15:08<+glx>why not use the right command?
15:08<yorick>because I forgot
15:08<+glx>@commit 15931
15:08<@DorpsGek>glx: Commit by rubidium :: r15931 /trunk/src (8 files in 3 dirs) (2009-04-03 12:49:58 UTC)
15:08<@DorpsGek>glx: -Codechange: let the host and ban lists use of SmallVector.
15:09<yorick>ah :-)
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15:11<Luukland>Mr Rubidium, Yorick says it is already in trunk... http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/15931/?format=diff&new=15931
15:12<Luukland>can you put it in 0.7.x Rubidium :P
15:12<Luukland>You told me you would be interested ^^
15:13<@Rubidium>I can, but I won't... way too much work
15:13<yorick>also, range bans should be in trunk, IIRC
15:13*Luukland agrees
15:14<yorick>no, they are already in
15:14<_ln>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS77DPw_SYQ (rail-related)
15:15<yorick>Luukland: it's easily backportable
15:15<yorick>oh, there
15:15<yorick>@commit 15094
15:15<@DorpsGek>yorick: Commit by peter1138 :: r15094 trunk/src/network/network.cpp (2009-01-15 18:11:26 UTC)
15:15<@DorpsGek>yorick: -Feature: Add support for IP range bans using CIDR notation.
15:15<Luukland>WOHOO :P
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15:16<yorick>you can backport it if not already in
15:17<yorick>but warning: CIDR notation is strange
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16:26<CIA-9>OpenTTD: smatz * r17880 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: pass 'blitter' as parameter instead of determining it again in DrawSmallMapStuff()
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16:31<andythenorth>evening
16:32<SmatZ>hello andythenorth
16:32<CIA-9>OpenTTD: smatz * r17881 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: unify comment style in smallmap_gui.cpp a bit
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16:46*SHADOW-XIII waves
16:46<SHADOW-XIII>hello all
16:46<SmatZ>hello SHADOW-XIII
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16:48<andythenorth>anything happending?
16:48<Belugas>nope... but something is going to happen
16:48<Belugas>my departure!
16:48<Belugas>se you!
16:48<andythenorth>uh oh
16:48<andythenorth>bye!
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17:04<dihedral>planetmaker, not at all ;-)
17:05<planetmaker>:-) Hi ho
17:10<andythenorth>ho hi
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17:11<planetmaker>:-)
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17:27<Nite_Owl>Hello all
17:29<SmatZ>evening Nite_Owl
17:29<Nite_Owl>Hello SmatZ
17:30*andythenorth not feeling like coding
17:30<andythenorth>nfo blitz this weekend
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18:10<CIA-9>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17882 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the code to draw the details in the server list a seperate function and remove some magic numbers
18:13<_ln>is it now less magical?
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18:36<Nite_Owl>Need to feed - later all
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18:56<violetblood>oh hi
18:56<violetblood>!wiki
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18:56<violetblood>wtf
18:56<welshdragon>violetblood: wiki.openttd.org ;)
18:56<violetblood>wiki
18:57<PeterT>!kick
18:57<PeterT>:)
18:57<welshdragon>violetblood: replace the * in the subject with any of the words in brackets ;)
18:57<@Rubidium>doesn't the topic provide you with more than enough information to figure out the URL?
18:57<violetblood>no
18:58<violetblood>:p
18:58<welshdragon>Rubidium: it does
18:59<violetblood>are there any 32b mods?
19:00<@Rubidium>depends on what kind of mods you're seeking
19:00<Eddi|zuHause>32b? what tiny girl is that supposed to be?
19:01<Eddi|zuHause>we don't have such stuff here
19:02<Eddi|zuHause>gnah... after cleaning the wheels and putting oil into the motor, my ICE is so fast, at full speed it skips through my isolated sections!!
19:02<violetblood>i kill you
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19:03<@Rubidium>you forgot 'silence!'
19:03<CIA-9>OpenTTD: smatz * r17883 /trunk/src/3rdparty/md5/ (md5.cpp md5.h): -Codechange: little cleaning in md5.cpp and md5.h
19:03<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, that's what i thought, too ;)
19:05<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: you should use the proper normal gauge high strength steel and such for ICEs, not that 'very narrow' gauge floppy steel tracks you're using now :)
19:06<Eddi|zuHause>steel? my tracks are of excellent quality aluminium!!
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19:44<Terkhen>good night
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19:54<nicfer1>I've installed mingwn+msys, but seems that the command gcc is not found
19:55<nicfer1>I've installed the g++ package from the mingw installer
19:55<+glx>reboot after install ?
19:55<+glx>or started msys ?
19:57<PeterT>nicfer1: are you currently looking at instrucitons from wiki.openttd.org/mingw ?
19:58<nicfer1>yes
19:59<PeterT>is it alot of trouble to completely reinstall the whole thing?
19:59<PeterT>that's what i did
20:01<nicfer1>I've reinstaled it and followed the instructions but the command seems to be not recognized
20:01<PeterT>ok, skip that direciton, go to the next and see what happens :)
20:02<nicfer1>I can't compile wget after that
20:02<PeterT>OS?
20:02<nicfer1>windows
20:02<PeterT>windows...
20:02<PeterT>windows what?
20:02<nicfer1>xp
20:03<PeterT>32 or 64?
20:03<nicfer1>32 bit
20:03<nicfer1>althrough my processor is an amd athlon x2
20:03<PeterT>ok
20:04<PeterT>I really don't know what to say...
20:04<PeterT>did you get the versions mentioned on the wiki or newer versions?
20:05<PeterT>I was actually just about to test MSYS on xp right now
20:05<PeterT>on my brother's laptop
20:06<nicfer1>I've installed mingw 5.1.6 since 5.1.4 tells me it's 'outdated'
20:06<PeterT>there's your problem
20:07<PeterT>don't do that ;-)
20:07<PeterT>I'm going to try updating on my bro's computer
20:07<nicfer1>even if it's 'outdated'?
20:07<PeterT>yes
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20:07<PeterT>besides, you going to be using MSYS, not MinGW
20:07<PeterT>even though mingw is compiling
20:07<PeterT>just trust me
20:08<PeterT>the only thing that really matters is the svn version
20:10<nicfer1>could I use tortoiseSVN instead of regular svn?
20:11<+glx>yes
20:11<PeterT>by the way, nicfer1, I'm really glad your taking the time to compile yourself, it's much less annoying than when users on tt-forums.net yell (metaphorically) "binaries!!"
20:11<+glx>but it's better to also install svn CLI, else svn detection doesn't work IIRC
20:12<nicfer1>I just wanted to compile cargo distribution
20:13<nicfer1>installed 5.1.4 and still no gcc
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20:13<+glx>did you start msys ?
20:13<nicfer1>yes
20:13<PeterT>yes, he's entering gcc -v
20:13<PeterT>I presume...
20:14<PeterT>Hold on,
20:14<PeterT>maybe...
20:14<PeterT>did you mess up when directing msys to your mingw installation
20:14<nicfer1>no
20:14<PeterT>(I just thought of it because I am doing it now)
20:15<nicfer1>I've input c:\mingw at that point
20:15<PeterT>did it give errors?
20:15<+glx>your mistake :)
20:15<+glx>easy to fix
20:15<nicfer1>not, only that there was not make.exe in mingw
20:16<+glx>exit from msys
20:16<PeterT>yes "keep it that way" or something like that?
20:16<nicfer1>yes
20:16<+glx>open <mysy_install>\etc\fstab
20:17<+glx>and replace all \ with / in it
20:17<nicfer1>yay, it was the \ thing
20:17<nicfer1>easy to confuse
20:18<+glx>Please answer the following in the form of c:/foo/bar. <-- but it's clearly explained ;)
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20:20<PeterT>isn't "foobar" a person?
20:21<+glx>foo and bar are usual dev things
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20:26<PeterT>oh
20:26<PeterT>I'm testing MSYS with 5.1.6
20:26<PeterT>(MinGW 516)
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20:49<CaptObvious>is there documentation on the protocol that the openttd client uses to fetch server data like number of companies, players, current date etc?
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20:51<FauxFaux>CaptObvious: http://git.brad-smith.co.uk/?p=openttd2irc.git;a=summary ? :)
20:51<CaptObvious>that's not relavent
20:52<FauxFaux>Ignoring the fact that it's a client that connects to the server to fetch data like companies, players, etc., you are correct.
20:52*FauxFaux goes to bed.
20:52<CaptObvious>that's true
20:52<CaptObvious>thanks
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20:54<CaptObvious>FauxFaux - is that your git repository?
20:55<Eddi|zuHause>of course there's the canonical documentation!
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20:57<Eddi|zuHause>it's called along the lines of "network.cpp" or something
20:57<CaptObvious>to be honest
20:57<CaptObvious>that project is pretty much what I was wanting to code
20:57<CaptObvious>so I'm gonna compile it and see if it works :P
21:03<CaptObvious>well I would
21:03<CaptObvious>except I'm a linux noob and can't figure it out :P
21:05<Eddi|zuHause>ooh, xkcd in geocities look ;)
21:05<CaptObvious>yeah :)
21:05<CaptObvious>Eddi|zuHause - how's your linux-fu?
21:06<Eddi|zuHause>how's your meta-question-fu?
21:06<CaptObvious>http://git.brad-smith.co.uk/?p=openttd2irc.git;a=tree
21:06<CaptObvious>I have that on my linux box, extracted into a folder
21:06<Eddi|zuHause>and what's a fu anyway?
21:06<CaptObvious>how do I go about compiling it?
21:06<CaptObvious>Eddi|zuHause - it's a meme. like google-fu
21:07<CaptObvious>originates from kung fu
21:08<Eddi|zuHause>i'd start with the files "README" and "INSTALL"
21:08<CaptObvious>readme is 0 bytes
21:08<CaptObvious>install is the generic makefile one
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21:10<Eddi|zuHause>then run bootstrap
21:11<CaptObvious>aha
21:11<Eddi|zuHause># Run this to generate all the initial makefiles, etc.
21:11<Eddi|zuHause>and beat up the guy for providing useless information
21:11<Sacro>hmm?
21:12<CaptObvious>every time I've got something as source in linux before it has already got the makefile etc
21:12<KenjiE20>isn't README independant of make, I'd do another git pull
21:13<KenjiE20>or is it, just blank in git?
21:13<CaptObvious>it's just blank
21:13<KenjiE20>ah
21:14<KenjiE20>how lazy -_-
21:15<KenjiE20>btw, you know Autopilot, will act as an IRC bridge without having to mod, right?
21:15<KenjiE20>and do more besides
21:16<CaptObvious>hmm?
21:16<CaptObvious>never heard of Autopilot
21:17<KenjiE20>http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autopilot
21:19<CaptObvious>that looks perfect
21:19<CaptObvious>thanks KenjiE20
21:19<KenjiE20>heh, it's not, but it's close :P
21:20<nicfer1>now I'm trying to patch the source code but I'm having issues
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21:22<nicfer1>I right click on the ottd's sources folder then in the tortoisesvn submenu I click on 'Apply Patch', select the diff I'm looking for but both sides of the window appear in blank
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21:22<KenjiE20|LT>likely a path issue
21:23<KenjiE20|LT>check the diff with notepad, or similar, and find the relative paths it's using
21:25<nicfer1>the relative paths tell that they want to go at './../src/whatever'
21:25<nicfer1>in that style
21:26<Eddi|zuHause>tortoisesvn is not able to handle all diff styles
21:26<Eddi|zuHause>like git diffs
21:26<KenjiE20|LT>sounds odd, but the diff should be in src then
21:26<KenjiE20|LT>^ also what eddi said
21:27<PeterT>use msys
21:27<PeterT>patch -p0 -i patchfile.diff
21:28<Eddi|zuHause>or -p1 if applicable
21:28<PeterT>(well, first, change to the directory)
21:28<PeterT>yes
21:28<nicfer1>where should be put the .diff file?
21:28<PeterT>look at this topic to figure out which http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=21678
21:28<PeterT>in the main directory where trunk is
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21:35<nicfer1>look at this diff http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/patches/current/trunk-cargodist.diff
21:37<CaptObvious>okay Eddi|zuHause
21:37<CaptObvious>new one for you
21:37<CaptObvious>trying to run autopilot, got the OTTD_CONFIG env variable set and it still gives me "couldn't open "openttd.cfg": no such file or directory"
21:37<nicfer1>aha there I go
21:38<PeterT>that's a -p1?
21:38<nicfer1>I had to place the diff on the trunk directory with the -p1 switch
21:38<PeterT>did you download trunk revision 17837, or the latest?
21:38<PeterT>it won't work with the latest
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21:39<nicfer1>I downloaded 17837
21:39<WilliamC>Is there a place that can tell me how to run OTTD behind a router for multiplayer games?
21:43<PeterT>ok, good nicfer1
21:45<PeterT>is it working?
21:46<PeterT>nicfer1, is it working?
21:46<nicfer1>yup, it works
21:46<PeterT>ok
21:46<PeterT>night
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21:47<CaptObvious>okay, got that problem sorted, now I have a new one
21:48<CaptObvious>http://pastebin.org/48550
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21:54<Eddi|zuHause>WilliamC: generally, you need to consult your router/firewall documentation on how to open ports
21:54<Eddi|zuHause>@ports
21:54<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound)
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22:00<Eddi|zuHause>CaptObvious: i can't help you with autopilot
22:00<violetblood>good night
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22:13<CaptObvious>@seen Brianetta
22:13<@DorpsGek>CaptObvious: Brianetta was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 8 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Brianetta> He should pick us a UK sim
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