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00:16<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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04:15<CIA-4>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r17911 /trunk/src/articulated_vehicles.cpp: -Codechange: bool * is a pointer, not a bool
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05:43<chu_>hi
05:44<Zuu>hello
05:44<chu_>hello SmatZ can you do me a favor?
05:45<andythenorth>hmm. cost of ship: £45,000. Cost of bridge £826 Something unbalanced there...
05:46<Pikka>must be a very short bridge, andy :o
05:47<Pikka>or you're not using expensive, short and slow bridges :P hehe
05:49<andythenorth>New Bridges was the culprit. I've removed it. £14000 for a bridge now...
05:50<Pikka>:)
05:52<chu_>perhaps someone should re-think the bug-reporting-policy of openttd
05:52<andythenorth>Bananananananas brings me ESSLB....£19k for a crap bridge :D
05:53<Pikka>huzzah! :D
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06:07<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17912 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3289] (r17868): crash when opening the vehicle list (not group list) of a specific company
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06:49<planetmaker>Zuu around?
06:49<Zuu>Yes
06:49<planetmaker>how do you like to be credited in OpenGFX? With Zuu, your real name or both?
06:49<planetmaker>I'm about to commit the fizzy drinks factory :-)
06:49<Zuu>Okay,
06:49<Zuu>Include my real name too.
06:50<planetmaker>ok, will do :-) Thanks. And kudos, I really like it :-)
06:50<Zuu>Yea, I think it is good enough for comming from a coder. I'm sure some artist could have made it better. :-)
06:51<planetmaker>I wouldn't really assume that...
06:51<planetmaker>it probably also depends upon the definition of "good". And as we saw again, the expectations how things are supposed to look like, vary quite a bit :-)
06:52<Zuu>Yea
06:52<Zuu>When the target function is not known, defning what is the best or optimum is quite hard. To lend some termonology from optimization theory. :-)
06:57<planetmaker>hehe :-)
06:57<planetmaker>very much indeed.
06:57<planetmaker>but if you got more ideas in the direction of the fizzy plan: please be free :-D
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07:00<andythenorth>oh too much money already :(
07:00<planetmaker>he, testing firs again?
07:01<andythenorth>ye
07:01<andythenorth>s
07:01<andythenorth>and p1jk
07:01<andythenorth>and FISH
07:02<planetmaker>:-)
07:04<Zuu>Eiiik, why did not MSVC warn about defining the same variable twice in a function? (the second time inside some inner brackets)
07:04<_ln>because that's perfecly legal in C++.
07:05<Ammler>Zuu: did you see the comments on the DevZone?
07:05<Alberth>because they are two different variables
07:05<Zuu>_ln: Okay, didn't knew that.
07:05<Zuu>Either way, I think there should be a warning about it.
07:12<Sacro>http://sensi.org/~svo/glasstty/ <- <3
07:12<Sacro>for you old DEC users
07:13<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17913 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Documentation: Add doxygen comments to the tooltip window class.
07:30<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17914 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use some constants in the size calculation, and pass the size as a combined value to the tooltip window.
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07:34<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17915 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Allow windows to compute their own initial position.
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09:02<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17916 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Make tooltips window use pure nested widgets.
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09:15<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17917 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Move tooltip initial position calculation into the tooltip window class.
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09:30<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17918 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Move tooltip size calculation into the tooltip window class.
09:30<yorick>hmm...my firefox appears to be crashing quite reliably :(
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09:30<yorick>which is exactly when I click the firefox-icon to start it
09:33<Alberth>perhaps type 'firefox' in a shell instead :p
09:34<yorick>it appears to be having the same problems
09:34<StarLionIsaac>reinst?
09:34*yorick downgrades to yesterdays nightly
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09:42<yorick>LordAzamath!
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09:43<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17919 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange (r17849): Remove the outermost NWID_LAYERED and NWID_VERTICAL containers from the load and save nested widget parts, since they do nothing.
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10:06<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17920 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_gui.cpp string.cpp string_type.h): -Codechange: add a 'filter' for numbers+spaces and use it for the NewGRF parameter list
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10:33<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17921 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Documentation: Add doxygen comments in the ErrmsgWindow struct.
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10:53<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17922 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_gui.cpp window.cpp window_gui.h): -Fix [FS#3291]: crash when closing NewGRF parameter window with no NewGRF selected
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11:23<Muxy>@seen petert
11:23<@DorpsGek>Muxy: petert was last seen in #openttd 4 days, 13 hours, 36 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <PeterT> night
11:23<PeterT>I'm right here :)
11:24<Muxy>that's right
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11:26<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17923 /trunk/ (config.lib src/depend/depend.cpp): -Feature: "port" OpenTTD to GNU/Hurd
11:30<fonsinchen>Do you really have GNU/Hurd system there?
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11:32<@Rubidium>in virtualisation yes
11:33<@Rubidium>let me say it lets itself be virtualised a bit better than some other OSes
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11:35<fonsinchen>Probably because it doesn't quite run on real hardware?
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11:35<@Rubidium>it does run on real hardware, but... I don't have spare pieces of real hardware
11:35<@Rubidium>and it's not that finished yet that I can install it without googling around
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11:47<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17924 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Replace y array with two area rectangles in the error message window.
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13:00<yorick>bah :)
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13:08<Terkhen>hello
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13:18<andythenorth>evening
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13:42<andythenorth>quiet around here....spooky quiet...
13:44<frosch123>weird, though today is just Reformation Day
13:44<Ammler>it starts in 5 hours :-)
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r17925 /trunk/src/lang/ (finnish.txt greek.txt slovak.txt):
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: finnish - 2 changes by jpx_
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: greek - 6 changes by fumantsu
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: slovak - 3 changes by JamesSVK
13:45<frosch123>switzerland is different?
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13:48<CIA-4>OpenTTD: frosch * r17926 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Fix (r9352): Make the decision whether aircraft carry mail consistent. Now always the cargo class decides.
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14:22<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17927 /trunk/src/ (gui.h misc_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Rename error message string variables.
14:22<PeterT>now
14:23<andythenorth>then
14:24<frosch123>let's
14:25<@Rubidium>procastrinate
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14:36<andythenorth>speak for yourself, I'm making commits :P
14:38<Splex>I was just playing on expertshard goal server, my company was passworded and nobody joined my company... and my company suddenly disappeared. anyone ever have this happen?
14:38<@Rubidium>did you leave the server?
14:39<@Rubidium>anyhow, the server owner can kill companies
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14:39<@Rubidium>what happens in those goal servers I don't even know, besides that they are heavily patched
14:39<Splex>no i didn't
14:39<Splex>i was there the whole time, and was just watching my train moving
14:40<andythenorth>gone bankrupt? that confused me a few times when I first played multiplayer
14:40<Splex>and suddenly my company disappeared
14:40<Splex>i had plenty of money
14:40<@Rubidium>as I said, server owner can kill companies
14:42<Splex>someone keeps losing connection and rejoining
14:43<@Rubidium>and then he starts a new company?
14:43<@Rubidium>might be that the goal server kicks 'old' companies in favour of new young companies or so
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14:43<@Rubidium>but again, I don't know what mess they've made of the code
14:44<Splex>no
14:44<Splex>the company is the same company
14:44<Splex>no new companies were made
14:44*yorick thinks this has something to do with PeterT
14:45<PeterT>no
14:45<PeterT>this is experts hard
14:45<Splex>you left the server long before it happened
14:45<yorick>hmm...strange
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14:45<PeterT>expertshard.freeforums.org
14:46*yorick wanders off and plays online flash games
15:02*andythenorth needs a smaller boat. Say 190 tonnes?
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15:35<samuel>hi
15:35<yorick>hi
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15:37<samuel>it's possible to script (python) new function in openttd client?
15:38<samuel>I've seen to wiki page on console scripting
15:38<samuel>and openttd-python
15:39<frosch123>openttd-python? no idea, nothing official.
15:40<Zuu>There is a scripts folder for some scripting but I have not heard of anything with python related to OpenTTD.
15:40<Zuu>There is Squirrel support for AIs though.
15:40<Zuu>(Squirrel is a script language)
15:40<planetmaker>I doubt you can script any client mods using python
15:41<frosch123>and i guess none of the scripts are client-side
15:41<frosch123>and - yeah - of course they do not affect the game mechanics
15:41<planetmaker>hm... the ottd competition servers might have a pythong scripting backend for the servers
15:41<frosch123>only stuff like saying "hello" or kicking players
15:42<Zuu>Yes you could make an autopilot in Python. I made a small one in Ruby once.
15:43<samuel>ok
15:43<Zuu>And the autopilots could say hello, kicking players etc. as frosch123 mentioned above.
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15:43<samuel>autopilot seem to be for scripting a openttd server
15:43<samuel>ok
15:44<Zuu>If you run an openttd server in dedicated mode you get a console where you can type commands and get text output.
15:44<Zuu>Around that you can run a program/script that writes commands and reads the output and make new commands based on the output etc.
15:45<Zuu>But indeed, that is for servers.
15:45<Ammler>Zuu: go back to draw :-P
15:46<Zuu>The closest you can get for clients is to make a C++ patch that only affects the GUI etc.
15:46<yorick>LordAzamath!
15:46<Zuu>Ammler: Because making one image makes me more of an artist than the thousands of lines of code I have written? :-p
15:46<Steve^>should I paint the parts for my model plane before I glue them?
15:47<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17928 /trunk/src/ (24 files in 5 dirs):
15:47<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Codechange: ShowErrorMessage() now takes the summary string before the details string.
15:47<CIA-4>OpenTTD: Gentlemen, swap your string parameters.
15:53*TrueBrain swaps his string
15:54<Steve^>I know I'm grossly off topic, but they supplied three main colours and only two are used
15:54<Steve^>I'll hope for the best
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15:55<Zuu>Steve^: Colours for what?
15:55<Steve^>Revell Hawk Hurricane model plane
15:55<Steve^>*Hawker
15:55<Zuu>Oh, yea you asked above about it. Forgot that :-)
15:55<Alberth>TrueBrain: first take a shower :p
15:56<TrueBrain>DOH!
15:56<Zuu>Yea, had to hold back to not make that connection. hehe
15:57<Steve^>I'll maintain my innocence and not have that explained
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15:59<Zuu>Steve^: Regarding models, I've only ever tried to build a hangar ship and I remember that I glued togeather two parts that shouldnt be glued togeather. But of course I didn't realise that until the glue had hardened already.
15:59<Steve^>Ok, so I should go slowly
15:59<Steve^>I'm going to wash my parts now, then paint them
15:59<Steve^>glue tomorrow
15:59<Zuu>Okay
16:00<Zuu>I realized that building model ships was not my thing, and continued to stick to Lego. (I was about 10-12 years back then)
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16:01<Steve^>since I'm 23, you may me sound quite childish!
16:02<Steve^>I have chosen to spend my sundays not exploring or drinking, but making model planes :P
16:02<TrueBrain>still childish :)
16:02<frosch123>and today is saturday
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16:03<Steve^>both true
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16:03<planetmaker>The off-topic channel is #tycoon, isn't it? ;-)
16:04<frosch123>yeah, but we have to train here, else we won't be able to keep up with them
16:05<planetmaker>:-P
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16:05<Steve^>people in there might recognise me and form an angry mob
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16:08<Zuu>Steve^: Notice that I wrote "I was about ..", not that I am that today. :-)
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16:09<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17929 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Fix (r2391): STR_NULL does not seem very useful as file save error summary.
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16:13<Zuu>planetmaker: Any specific reason for using reverse alphabetical order in the OpenGFX authors list? To get yourself before Ammler? ;)
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16:25<Ammler>Zuu: to get you on top!
16:25<Zuu>Hehe :-)
16:26<Zuu>Thats not fair. If you compare my little work to some of the big contributors to the project.
16:26<Ammler>that is why the list is in alphabetic order...
16:27<Zuu>Yea, trying to make a fair list easily get out of hand.
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16:27<Steve^>the list should be in a random order each time you view it
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16:35<valhallasw>Ammler, which date chooser do we use normally?
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16:35<Ammler>valhallasw: ?
16:35<Zuu>Meh, no public nightly servers :-(
16:36<Ammler>Zuu: coop ps is almost :-)
16:36<valhallasw>Ammler: for the assembly, there was a site where you could post when you were available
16:36<Zuu>Apart from coop
16:36<Ammler>doodle.ch
16:36<valhallasw>but my mail archive is not available atm, so I cannot find it
16:36<valhallasw>ah yes, thanks :)
16:37<Zuu>But I think I might get next OpenTTD AU ready for release instead..
16:37<Ammler>or ogfx industry :-P
16:39<Zuu>Not that a lot of people is using it as when it was new, but there is still a few I know.
16:40<Ammler>well, at least some windows cooper do
16:40<Ammler>but I would say, windows user became minority
16:40<Ammler>(at least the regulars)
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16:44<TrueBrain>Austria has its own release of OpenTTD? :p
16:44<TrueBrain>Reminds me that we just released 0.1 of OpenDUNE :p (http://www.opendune.org/ )
16:44*TrueBrain now goes sit in the corner for unwanted commercials (read: spam)
16:46<Zuu>"we", how many are you?
16:46<Zuu>hmm, I see a "glx" in a commit.
16:46<TrueBrain>the "we" is at least 5 people
16:47<TrueBrain>(can't be bothered to make an exact count :p)
16:47<Zuu>hehe :-)
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16:57<TrueBrain>OpenTTD stats: 4.5% visits via an IPv6, causing 2.3% of the page hits
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16:58<TrueBrain>(that 4.5% is unique users)
16:58<TrueBrain>all stats are from yesterday only
16:58<TrueBrain>66909 unique IPv4 users (IP-wise), and 2830 uniqe IPv6 users (again, 24 hour window)
16:59<Zuu>Quite some IPv6 users still.
16:59<TrueBrain>it is increasing
16:59<yorick>TrueBrain: does that include master server users?
16:59<TrueBrain>httpd hits only
17:00<yorick>should log master server hits too ;)
17:00<TrueBrain>607641 IPv4 page hits, 14555 IPv6 page hits (2.3%)
17:00<TrueBrain>@calc 61300 / 24 / 60
17:00<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 42.5694444444
17:01<TrueBrain>42 hits per minute .. we have had busier days
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17:01<yorick>were those release days like april 1th
17:01<TrueBrain>suprisingly, but no
17:02<frosch123>61300 <- that number does not appear in anything you quoted
17:02<TrueBrain>frosch123: 607641 + 14555
17:02<frosch123>you cannot fake your statistics like that :p
17:02<TrueBrain>@calc 607641 + 14555
17:02<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 622196
17:02<frosch123>lol
17:02<TrueBrain>oh ... I made a nasty math error there :p
17:02<TrueBrain>@calc 622196 / 24 / 60
17:02<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 432.080555556
17:02<TrueBrain>@calc 622196 / 24 / 60 / 60
17:02<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 7.20134259259
17:02<TrueBrain>7 hits per second, that is more a number Iw as expecting :p
17:03<TrueBrain>(last month it was 6, so I was already wondering what happened :p)
17:03<TrueBrain>tnx frosch123 ;)
17:03<yorick>7 hits per second... what does this website do that is getting 7 hits per second
17:03<TrueBrain>yorick: after a release, we have 2 days where it is more busy (about twice as busy), after which the bandwidth averages again
17:04<TrueBrain>but for example the second best day in May is an average day in Aug
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17:05<+glx>TrueBrain: every day I'm a new user with IPv6 ;)
17:05<TrueBrain>we went from 300k unique visitors a month in 2008 to 428k this month
17:05<TrueBrain>glx: that is why I take a 24h window :)
17:05<TrueBrain>from 12M hits to 19M
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17:05<TrueBrain>nice growth :)
17:05<TrueBrain>yorick: I wonder about that every time .. but they are all legit hits ..
17:06<yorick>are they rss hits?
17:06<TrueBrain>last time most were wiki hits
17:06<TrueBrain>let me check ..
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17:07<TrueBrain>http://paste.openttd.org/217668 <- again, 24h window
17:07<yorick>oh yes, it does hg/vcs/flyspray/wiki too
17:07<TrueBrain>it appears we do 'www.macintoshcomputergames.com' too :p
17:07<TrueBrain>also fun: www.series-tv-news.fr
17:07<TrueBrain>(I have NO IDEA what is behind those URLs, visit at own risk)
17:08<TrueBrain>proxy. are internal queries btw, so they don't really count :p
17:08<yorick>heh, you forgot opendune.org ;)
17:08<TrueBrain>forgot how?
17:09<yorick>it's in this list
17:09<TrueBrain>yup
17:09<TrueBrain>it is on the host
17:09<frosch123>yeah, it's svn has more hits than ottd :p
17:09<Ammler>TrueBrain: there is a little glitch with the dune homepage, if you go the detail news page, the sidebar right goes below the content.
17:09<TrueBrain>that is only because svn.opendune.org is like vcs.openttd.org/svn :)
17:09<yorick>macintoshcomputergames instantly gets past my popup-blocker
17:09<TrueBrain>Ammler: relayed to person who knows how to solve that (I hope :p)
17:09<frosch123>does media include bananas?
17:09<TrueBrain>frosch123: no
17:10<TrueBrain>it only contains images, javascript, ..
17:10<frosch123>oh, right, you said httpd only
17:10<yorick>and crashes other stuff too
17:10<yorick>hmm...not good
17:10<TrueBrain>openttd.org frontpage requires 42 hits on media.
17:11<TrueBrain>that is why it is so high in that list :)
17:12*yorick kil firefox
17:12<yorick>ls*
17:12<TrueBrain>yorick: don't say I didn't warn you
17:12<yorick>you warned me :D
17:12<Ammler>where are the other opendune domains in that list?
17:13<TrueBrain>In Sep 2009 we served 169782 '410' pages, which are all in a RSS feed which is outdated and removed a few YEARS ago
17:13<Ammler>but indeed, already a lot hits there
17:13<TrueBrain>In Okt 2009, that number is 173702
17:13<TrueBrain>some RSS clients just never give up ...
17:13<TrueBrain>Ammler: the other domains don't shop up in the top10
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17:14<TrueBrain>I guess I should redirect that RSS feed request to some weird feeder :p Maybe that works ;)
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17:14<TrueBrain>last week we had 11k release downloads, and 1.2k nightlies .. not bad :)
17:15<TrueBrain>sad part, 438 were 0.6.3 downloads :p
17:15<yorick>do remove ;)
17:15<yorick>or make harder to get them
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17:15<TrueBrain>more than 10% of the downlaods is for MacOSX ..
17:15<Steve^>they are by users and not bots?
17:16<yorick>hmm...maybe not drop macOSX then
17:16<TrueBrain>bots don't download only 0.6.3, and not 0.6.3-RC1
17:17<TrueBrain>euh, s/more than/a bit less than/
17:17<Steve^>25% of the hits on my.opera.com are by Google
17:17<Steve^>consider that when working with any stats
17:17<TrueBrain>lol, I love hour-based graphs: at 18h/19h the game is downloaded 3 times more than at 0h, and 5 times more than at 4h :p
17:18<TrueBrain>Steve^: we are new to stats crawling, yes, thank you :p
17:18<TrueBrain>Google is good for 5% of our httpd hits
17:18<TrueBrain>against 1.08% for MSN :p
17:18<Steve^>I just wanted to point out the statistic
17:18<Steve^>which is very scary
17:19<TrueBrain>BaNaNaS is passed the 4M! :)
17:19<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: showing off stats?
17:19<@Rubidium>yeah, just wanted to say that
17:19<TrueBrain>21k a day :o
17:19<frosch123>[22:17] <Rubidium> TrueBrain: showing off stats? <- he failed with the math skills, so he choosed something else
17:20<TrueBrain>@calc 21349 / 24 / 60
17:20<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 14.8256944444
17:20<TrueBrain>14 downloads a minute over BaNaNaS ( frosch123: this time I did my math correct :p)
17:21<TrueBrain>16k last month, and 15k the month before that (on an average day)
17:21<yorick>Server stats: http://paste.openttd.org/217669
17:21<@Rubidium>http://rbijker.net/openttd/stats.pdf <- graphs are prettier!
17:22<TrueBrain>yorick: you should query it ever 30 minutes or something, and make time-based graphs :p
17:22<TrueBrain>Rubidium: I love the formula :)
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17:23<yorick>TrueBrain: you should go make that
17:23<TrueBrain>yorick: nah
17:23<TrueBrain>too busy :p
17:23<yorick>too busy generating other useless stats
17:24<TrueBrain>either way, that concludes the stats of today :)
17:24<TrueBrain>I am suprised by the growth in IPv6 :)
17:24<Ammler>stats aren't useless
17:25<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: what does make you think more than 10% is for MacOSX?
17:25<yorick>were these download rates the same last week?
17:25<TrueBrain>Rubidium: I clearly corrected that with 'a bit less than'
17:26<@Rubidium>well... if 'a bit less' is ~40% :(
17:27<TrueBrain>6.2% if you want to know the exact number .. I was only looking at numbers and estimating values
17:27<TrueBrain>sorry if that doesn't please you :p
17:27<yorick>actually more clients than servers :D
17:27<@Rubidium>nah, just wonder how you estimate :)
17:27<TrueBrain>that said, the source is download almost in the same amount last week :p
17:28<TrueBrain>(4.9%)
17:29<TrueBrain>so under yoricks argument, we should not drop the source too :p
17:31*frosch123 is against dropping doc
17:32<TrueBrain>downloaded 3336 in total ...
17:32<TrueBrain>since 2008-09-14
17:32<TrueBrain>@calc 3336 / 755937 * 100
17:32<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 0.441306616821
17:32<TrueBrain>0.4% :) LOL!
17:32<TrueBrain>waste of diskspace :p
17:33<TrueBrain>reminds me, I should clean up nightlies
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18:10<Zuu>(Delphi) Anyone happen to know how to make a TMemo show the top part of its contents after it has been updated with new content?
18:12<Zuu>Now it shows the bottom of the change log after a filter has been applyed by the user.
18:12<Zuu>:-s
18:15<Steve^>its been far too many years since I manned a delphi help channel to be any use to you now
18:15<Steve^>I didn't realise people still used Delphi
18:15<Zuu>Found an answer http://www.scalabium.com/faq/dct0102.htm
18:15<Zuu>It is still used in corperate settings, where companies have a lot of money invested in existing Delphi code for example.
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18:17<TrueBrain>Delphi is nice, but contains too many 'bugs' :(
18:17<TrueBrain>and I always liked Kylix :)
18:17<Zuu>Yea, it could help having a few bugs fixed in it.
18:18<TrueBrain>I spend many ours in my younger years (lol) trying to fix such bugs ... they were always hidden very deep, and very hard to fix ...
18:18<Zuu>Having the IDE crash every now and then is not uncommon
18:18<frosch123>hehe, memo was always crappy
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18:18<TrueBrain>and what I hated most, were the update packs .. incredible complex to install correctly :p
18:18<frosch123>you could get the position in the text in bytes, but only set it in (x,y) or so
18:19<frosch123>i guess the best delphi was 5 with code explorer disabled :p
18:20<frosch123>[23:13] <Steve^> I didn't realise people still used Delphi <- quite some people use delphi, but only <= 7
18:21<frosch123>(version 7 that is)
18:21<TrueBrain>You know what sucks? Needing to flash your xbox again .. sigh ..
18:24<frosch123>you know that 1 mile / 1 km is about the golden section
18:24<frosch123>s/section/ratio/
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18:34<Zuu>Lol, my edit installation directory becomes overloaded by warnings and documentation :-)
18:35<Zuu>edit installation form*
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18:36<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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18:37<frosch123>hello Nite_Owl
18:37<Nite_Owl>Hello frosch123
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18:43<Knight_Owl>Halloween costume
18:45-!-frosch123 is now known as toad
18:45<toad>ok :)
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18:48<@Belugas>my halloween costum is in fact a pyjama
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18:49*Belugas kisses the toad
18:49<toad>Belugas: you have one hour more to work today, right?
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18:49<@prince>naaaaaa
18:49<@prince>one more hour to sleeeeeep!
18:50<@Rubidium>the prince of the royal mountain!
18:50*toad smashed prince against the wall
18:50<toad>s/d/s/
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18:51*fox catches the toad
18:51*fox Belugas
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18:51<@Belugas>brrrrrr
18:51<toad>weird story, don't know that
18:51<@Belugas>i'm better in the water
18:52<@Belugas>never saw a toad big enough to smash a human ;)
18:52<@Belugas>got to put my son to bed
18:52<@Belugas>ciao
18:53<toad>prince is not that tall after all
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19:55<Terkhen>good night
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19:57<Zuu>Whooo, sometimes it is good to test things before you upload them. :-)
19:58<_ln>You must be kidding
19:59<Zuu>It is not as bad as it sounded, most things about OTTDAU is tested during development. But before making it available to everyone I usually test to do the update process to make sure I haven't broken that.
19:59<Zuu>Which I had this time...
19:59<Zuu>No release notes was shown :-)
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21:52<Eddi|zuHause>hm, with the .debs, would it make sense to statically link against libicu?
21:54<MyCatVerbs>I would guess not, libicu isn't really huge.
21:55<MyCatVerbs>Juyst put a dependency line in so that apt will install libicu as a dependency, surely?
21:55<Eddi|zuHause>the problem is not installing libicu, the problem is installing _the right version_ of libicu
21:56<Eddi|zuHause>obviously, recent versions of ubuntu and debian don't ship with the version linked to by the compile farm, so people can't install it
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