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00:13<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17945 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17940): Absence of main toolbar and/or status bar should not be fatal.
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03:36<kingpin>hey guys
03:37<kingpin>has anybody compiled openttd on mac os x?
03:37<kingpin>as a static binary?
03:39<dihedral>not me
03:39<dihedral>why would you do that?
03:39<dihedral>and what problems are you havingt
03:40<dihedral>note to self: dont type while sneezing.... i of course meant 'having'
03:40<kingpin>lol
03:41<kingpin>i want to do it for 32bpp extra zoom
03:41<kingpin>i managed to compile it for myself
03:41<kingpin>(with some errors, but nontheless)
03:41<kingpin>now i want to compile a redistributable version
03:41<kingpin>so other could have extra zoom on mac too
03:42<dihedral>it would be redistributable, just they need the required libs
03:43<dihedral>and you are not being very specific on the issues you are having!
03:43<kingpin>1s
03:44<kingpin>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=828569#p828569
03:44<kingpin>(i'm ikarus)
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03:45<dihedral>kingpin, what do you think the issue could be?
03:45<dihedral>have a look at your error message and have another wild guess
03:46<kingpin>well, it seems i dont have freetype properly installed
03:46<dihedral>or not installed at all
03:46<kingpin>when i compile without "--enable-static", freetype is found
03:46<kingpin>i have it
03:46<dihedral>and where is it?
03:46<kingpin>did a "sudo port install freetype"
03:47<kingpin>uuuuuh
03:47<kingpin>let me check
03:47<dihedral>perhaps it's not in the path it's looking for
03:48<dihedral>and note, it's looking for freetype.a not freetype.so
03:48<dihedral>however, you might be able to configure with --without-freetype or --disable-freetype, not sure which one it is
03:48<kingpin>hmmmm
03:48<kingpin>i thought freetype.a was part of freetype.so ...
03:51<kingpin>well, as far as i can tell
03:52<kingpin>freetype.a is for windows
03:52<kingpin>http://www.miscdebris.net/plplot_wiki/index.php?title=Freetype#MinGW_compiler
03:52<@Rubidium>.a is for GCC
03:52<@Rubidium>(at least, that would be closer to the truth)
03:52<kingpin>argh. can't i just download it from somewhere?
03:52<@Rubidium>e.g. MSVC uses .lib
03:53<kingpin>Rubidium, you lost me at GCC (i know its the gnu compiler. thats it)
03:54<dihedral>there are many compilers
03:54<@Rubidium>mingw's compiler is GCC, OS X's compiler is GCC, MSVC (Microsoft's compiler) is not GCC
03:55<kingpin>aha
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03:59<@Rubidium>compiling your own freetype isn't that hard anyway
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04:18<kingpin>so, what have i got to do to get a freetype.a ?
04:18<@Rubidium>something with --enable-static in freetype's configure I reckon
04:18<kingpin>this is gonna be fun
04:18<kingpin>thanks
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04:58<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17946 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: move the widget definition of the client list closer to the window
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05:16<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17947 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make the statusbar, chat input and news window know of eachothers size so they don't get overlapped and don't get invisible (bottoms) of windows when a larger font is used
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05:53<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17948 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: remove some magic numbers from the network client list GUIs / use ResizeWindow instead of custom resize code.
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07:12<CIA-4>OpenTTD: smatz * r17949 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp: -Fix (r17776): unlock mutex before deleting it when creating drawing thread failed
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08:10<Forked>so P1.. what does that have to do with OpenTTD development?
08:11<nowotny_>are there any problems with http://www.openttd.org/en/ site at the moment...?
08:11<dihedral>nope
08:12<nowotny_>hmm... Opera has a very hard time loading it... :/
08:12<nowotny_>works fine in IE though... :/
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08:36<CIA-4>OpenTTD: smatz * r17950 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp: -Fix (r17776): _draw_mutex was never destroyed, _draw_thread was never joined
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08:50<@Belugas>hello
08:51<Noldo>hello
08:54<@Rubidium>Forked: question is, where to move it to?
08:55<Noldo>General | Off-Topic
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10:27<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17951 /trunk/src/ (45 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: simplify making the popup list, remove arbirary limitations and unused code/strings.
10:32*yorick suggests openid for wiki/fs/bananas login
10:34<dihedral>yorick, for bananas?
10:35<Eddi|zuHause>dihedral: bananas login is for uploading
10:35<yorick>does it not use same logins?
10:35<dihedral>Eddi|zuHause, i know!
10:38<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17952 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the network client list popup nested
10:39<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17953 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Fix: when you start giving money (input window for amount), then get moved to spectators and you click 'Ok' a crash would occur
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10:55<dihedral>better a crash than being able to cheat funds :-P
10:56*yorick disagrees
10:56<yorick>still no nice command to make money out of nowhere as a server?
10:59<yorick>how about removing misc_cmd.cpp:389?
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11:03<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17954 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the network client list nested
11:06<Eddi|zuHause>there must be a nest somewhere
11:07<@Belugas>hooo hooo
11:07<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17955 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: s/SPR_PLAYER_ICON/SPR_COMPANY_ICON/
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11:15<@Rubidium>oh shoot... missed Belugas' train :(
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11:20<@Belugas>Crazy Train!
11:22<bartavelle>i have to create an account to submit bugs ?
11:23<yorick>yes
11:23<bartavelle>this is not really user friendly
11:23<yorick>why not
11:24<bartavelle>i don't want to go through the hassle of creating an account to submit a bug, that's why
11:25<@Rubidium>yes, because most bug reports are missing vital information and without a way to contact the submitter there's nothing we can do. Also disabling the requirement for an account caused a severe increase in spam to the tracker
11:25<@Rubidium>anyhow, what's the bug? Maybe it's already known/fixed
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11:26<@Rubidium>and do you have a wiki/translator/bananas account; in that case you're already having the bug tracker account
11:26<bartavelle>the sound thread takes 100% cpu
11:26<bartavelle>(but sounds seem to work well)
11:26<Eddi|zuHause>sound or music?
11:26<bartavelle>i searched briefly and couldn't find a reference to this
11:26<@Rubidium>let me guess, you're using Ubuntu?
11:26<@Rubidium>and a 'recent' trunk version?
11:27<bartavelle>the thread that backtrace in libasound / libpulse
11:27<bartavelle>ubuntu yes
11:27<bartavelle>and HEAD
11:27<@Rubidium>that's not really an OpenTTD bug
11:27<@Rubidium>or rather, it's not OpenTTD's code that's the slow thing
11:28<bartavelle>ok
11:28<@Rubidium>-v sdl:hz=11025 probably solves it
11:28<Eddi|zuHause>-v??
11:28<bartavelle>it reduces CPU consumption
11:28<bartavelle>stable version does not have this problem
11:29<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: oh yeah, -s :)
11:29<@Rubidium>so -s sdl:hz=11025 probably solves it
11:29<bartavelle>but cpu consumption is still high with sdl:hz=11025
11:29<@Rubidium>bartavelle: that's because that defaults to 11025
11:29<@Rubidium>the newer versions allow better sound samples
11:30<bartavelle>it behaves the same with and without -v sdl:hz=11025
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11:30<@Rubidium>yeah, the v should've been a s
11:30<bartavelle>oh
11:30<bartavelle>it is much better
11:31<bartavelle>thanks
11:31<bartavelle>I suppose I should not report this then ?
11:32<@Rubidium>report it to Ubuntu
11:32<bartavelle>heh :)
11:32<Sacro>I just bought a film with 3.141 stars out of 5.
11:32<Sacro>It was a pi rated DVD.
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11:33<Eddi|zuHause>no, that is not funny...
11:33<@Rubidium>SDL 1.2.14 might solve the problems (it mentions improved pulseaudio support in the release notes), yet they package 1.2.13-something
11:34<Sacro>oooh, pulseaudio <3
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11:37<@Rubidium>bartavelle: does "SDL_AUDIODRIVER='pulse' openttd" as command help? (Without "s ofcourse)
11:38<bartavelle>yes it does
11:38<bartavelle>except i have no sound :)
11:39<@Rubidium>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/269082 <- seems to be the same issue
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11:39<@Rubidium>does installing libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio help?
11:41<bartavelle>yes, problem solved
11:41<bartavelle>thanks a lot
11:41<@Rubidium>you're welcome
11:41<@Rubidium>now... document this issue and fix in known-bugs.txt :)
11:41<bartavelle>is this on the wiki ?
11:42<bartavelle>oh
11:42<Eddi|zuHause>and post the patch on your bug report :p
11:43<@Rubidium>nah, was more like /me is going to d....
11:44<bartavelle>I can report the bug and document it ?
11:45<bartavelle>or are you already doing this ?
11:45<@Rubidium>I'm documenting it; IIRC it was already reported a while ago
11:46<bartavelle>ok
11:46<@Rubidium>nevertheless, documenting it doesn't really fix it. And only Ubuntu can really fix it, at least for you
11:48<@Rubidium>http://rbijker.net/openttd/sdl-pulseaudio.diff <- is that clear enough?
11:51<bartavelle>it is actually not slower to me as i have 2 cores
11:52<blathijs>Rubidium: Looks OK
11:52<blathijs>Rubidium: That might just have been the cause of a recent Ubuntu bug report, perhaps
11:52<blathijs>Rubidium: Any clue as to what is the cause exactly?
11:53<@Rubidium>blathijs: no clue
11:53<@Rubidium>updated the diff by the way
11:54<@Rubidium>blathijs: the sdl-pulseaudio issue only becomes apparant when using hz=44100, not when using hz=11025; at least all complaints where from trunk users
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11:55<bartavelle>hz=11025 did not improve the situation in any way to me
11:56<@Rubidium>using ubuntu 9.10?
11:56<bartavelle>9.04
11:57<Xaroth>did you try 22000?
11:57<@Rubidium>and you don't have trouble with the stable releases?
11:57<bartavelle>i didn't have trouble with the stable release indeed
11:57<@Rubidium>oh, did you compile yourself?
11:57<bartavelle>but this fixed my problem
11:57<bartavelle>yes
11:58<@Rubidium>odd, very odd
11:58<@Rubidium>oh... no, trunk has 16 bits sound, 0.7 8 bits
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11:59<bartavelle>hum i didn't realise there were nightly .debs
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12:04<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17956 /trunk/known-bugs.txt: -Document: CPU usage issues with SDL-ALSA-PulseAudo
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12:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r17957 /trunk/src/lang/ (greek.txt norwegian_nynorsk.txt spanish.txt):
12:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
12:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: greek - 5 changes by fumantsu
12:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: norwegian_nynorsk - 21 changes by Utvik
12:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: spanish - 2 changes by Terkhen
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13:05*Rhamphoryncus browses eyecandy on the 32bpp thread :O
13:06<Rhamphoryncus>(well, *a* 32bpp thread)
13:07*Belugas grabs all candies on the table
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13:10*Rhamphoryncus gives Belugas some sugar?
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13:16<@Belugas>why?
13:16<@Belugas>got enough alright
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13:26<rikketik>llo..
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13:28<rikketik>Hello, im new to coding and patching.. i dll tortoiseSVN to do the patcing. but i dont know really how to patch =p
13:30<@Rubidium>check the thread about patching in the development subforum
13:33<+glx>first step is to compile without patching
13:33<rikketik>oh uhm compiling everything from svn://svn.openttd.org
13:34<+glx>only svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk
13:34<rikketik>oh shit im doing it all :p
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14:37<welshdragon>I may have broken openttd
14:37<welshdragon>500+ Rv's is not a good idea
14:38<welshdragon>it's lagging like a sheep on ecstasy
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14:40<Sacro>lolfail
14:40<Sacro>i'd also like to see a sheep on ecstasty
14:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17958 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the join progress window nested
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15:12<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17959 /trunk/src/window_gui.h: -Cleanup: remove unused function
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15:24<_ln>hello members of species
15:30<FauxFaux>Hello unix command!
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16:24<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r17960 /trunk/src/lang/greek.txt: -Change: plural type of greek
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16:29<@Belugas>[15:30] <FauxFaux> Hello unix command! <--- whohahahahah!!!!1
16:29<@Belugas>lovely
16:29<FauxFaux>Fear my awesome sense of humour!
16:30<FauxFaux>I was going to mention stdcall name mangling, but couldn't really make it fit.
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16:46<Xaroth>FauxFaux: if you'd have said that against somebody with the nick sl you'd have me laughing...
16:48<@Belugas>i wold have said that "sl stinks" ...
16:48<@Belugas>but that is a play with words and translation in french
16:48<FauxFaux>If only /exec -o sl worked.
16:49<Sacro>hehe
16:49<@Belugas>sl -> ESSE ELLE -> "AISSELLES puent"
16:49*Sacro considers it
16:49<Sacro>Error opening terminal: tty.
16:49<Sacro>:(
16:49<FauxFaux>There's no concievable way it's going to work. :)
16:50<Sacro>damn
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16:58<Xaroth>Belugas: use axe?:P
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16:59<@Belugas>my axe is too rusted for any real use
16:59<Xaroth>heh
16:59<andythenorth>go north
16:59<@Belugas>apart scaring little kids :)
16:59*Belugas goes home
16:59<@Belugas>bye
16:59<Xaroth>o/
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17:02<andythenorth>I come...they go :|
17:03<asilv>true
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17:05<Xaroth>o_O
17:07<andythenorth>I go
17:07<andythenorth>:o
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17:08<Xaroth>bye :o
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19:00<Sacro>TrueBrain: any chance you can get the openttd site to set the font color please
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19:01<Sacro>when you have a light font in linux you can't read the dropdowns on the download page
19:02<TrueBrain>better?
19:03<Sacro>http://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable
19:03<Sacro>the dropdowns :(
19:03<TrueBrain>reload
19:03<TrueBrain>(hard reload, css change)
19:03<Sacro>wasn't that ctrl+f5?
19:04<TrueBrain>how should I know what browser you use?
19:04<Eddi|zuHause>read the access logs? :p
19:04<Sacro>heh
19:04<Sacro>hmmmm
19:04<Sacro>can't install 0.7.3 deb on karmic
19:04<TrueBrain>all IPs are 10.42.42.8 .. not helpful :p
19:04<TrueBrain>focus! :p
19:04<Sacro>seriously ubuntu
19:04<Sacro>><
19:05<Eddi|zuHause>i suggested statically linking to libicu, but nobody was picking up on that
19:05<Sacro>h,,
19:06<Sacro>*hmm
19:06<Sacro>TrueBrain: nope
19:06<TrueBrain>so it doesn't listen to html color
19:06<TrueBrain>stupid
19:06<Sacro>yeah
19:06<Sacro>i only have libicu40
19:06<Sacro>bah
19:06<Sacro>hating ubuntu ><
19:06<Sacro>aside from the uber sexy font rendering
19:06<Sacro>it sucks
19:06<TrueBrain>Sacro: better?
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19:07<Sacro>TrueBrain: perfect
19:07<Nite_Owl>Hello all
19:07<TrueBrain>select {
19:07<TrueBrain> color: black;
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19:07<TrueBrain>}
19:07<TrueBrain>lovely :p
19:07<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: there are threads in the forum about ubuntu/libicu
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19:07<Sacro>tbh i might remove linux and go for a hackintosh
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19:08<Eddi|zuHause>you mean the os that is not supported by openttd?
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19:09<TrueBrain>hmm .. I was so happy I managed to compile OpenDUNE for 10.4+ with ppc and i386, and 10.6 with x86_64 :)
19:09<TrueBrain>static binary :) (stupid libSDL, required 10.6 for x86_64 :p)
19:09<TrueBrain>k, off to bed, night all
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23:09<Rhamphoryncus>aww, limit of 16 bus stops in 1 station :(
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