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---Logopened Wed Nov 11 00:00:02 2009
00:07<zil>yes it did - sorry, been playing the past couple of hours! so much fun but need sleep - I played this game for weeks at a time in the old days!
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01:46<Rhamphoryncus>The chance of a breakdown on a long enough flight is high enough you might as well assume it always happens.. which makes any such flight impractical
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04:34<Muxy>Is there somewhere a list of all fixes who have not been integrated into a release ?
04:36<Eddi|zuHause>why would anyone do that?
04:37<Eddi|zuHause>it'd consist of 90% "i messed up stuff in the last commit"
04:39<Eddi|zuHause>other than that, everything tagged "Fix:" since the last release
04:42<Muxy>i'm just trying to understand how is made a release and if it is possible to forget some fixes and who decide to integrate a particular fix in a release.
04:45<Eddi|zuHause>every commit message that starts with "Fix" that does not refer to a "Feature" after the last major release branch
04:47<Muxy>as an example : r16506, when this fix will be integrated into a release ?
04:47<TrueBrain>@openttd commit 16506
04:47<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: Commit by smatz :: r16506 trunk/src/network/network.cpp (2009-06-02 19:56:23 UTC)
04:47<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: -Fix: count only active clients (not those waiting for map download) when checking min_active_clients limit
04:48<Eddi|zuHause>if it's not backported by now, it probably won't...
04:49<Eddi|zuHause>except you talk Rubidium into it
04:49<Muxy>so your 10:45 reply not really true (<Eddi|zuHause> every commit message that starts with "Fix" that does not refer to a "Feature" after the last major release branch)
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04:50<Muxy>it means some fixes who are in trunk now but not backported can be forgetted... for ever...
04:50<TrueBrain>how?
04:50<TrueBrain>any next major release will have them
04:50<TrueBrain>(by definition)
04:51<Muxy>okay, it means that r16506 will be integrated from 0.8.0
04:51<TrueBrain>by definition all trunk commits will be in the next major, so yes
04:52<blathijs>Muxy: I think only the most important fixes are backported to minor versions (since backporting is still partly manual work)
04:53<Muxy>that's what i want to know : backporting to release is a manual job.
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04:54<TrueBrain>isn't that a 'dah'? Hmm :)
04:54*Muxy doest know what a 'dah' is
04:54<TrueBrain>maybe for the best
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04:55<Muxy>and that's why i asked 10:42 if there is a list of all fixes already in trunk but not backported
04:55<Eddi|zuHause>them why don't you ask for what you are actually wanting to know?
04:55<TrueBrain>svn log svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk > diff1.txt && svn log svn://svn.openttd.org/branches > diff2.txt && diff -u diff1.txt diff2.txt
04:55<TrueBrain>ghehe :)
04:57<Muxy>Eddi: what i wanted to know has been exposed at 10:34 : Is there somewhere a list of all fixes who have not been integrated into a release ?
04:57<TrueBrain>so again: svn log will tell you
04:59<blathijs>Or actually, no, there is no such list but you could make one with svn log :-)
04:59<TrueBrain>(one of the beauties of a Version Control System)
04:59<TrueBrain>blathijs: fair enough ;)
05:00<TrueBrain>we can start a philosophical debate about it of course .. if you can generate something out of existing data, does the result already exist, and does it ever you generate the data, or was it never really there?
05:00<TrueBrain>(to refer to xkcd and the lego one :p)
05:00<blathijs>:-)
05:00<blathijs>I love a good philosophical discussion, but I'm a bit busy right now :-p
05:00<Muxy>okay, then i must improve my knowledge around svn
05:01<TrueBrain>blathijs: you are always busy :(
05:01<TrueBrain>Muxy: or just gain some experience in browsing .. like http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/
05:01<Muxy>TrueBrain: that's it : around svn
05:01<blathijs>TrueBrain: Yeah, but I'm hoping to get a first draft version of my thesis finished in two days, and I'm organising a LARP event in two days, so I'm a tad extra busy right now :-p
05:02<TrueBrain>fair enough ;)
05:02<TrueBrain>good luck :)
05:02<TrueBrain>(to blathijs btw)
05:02<blathijs>:-)
05:02<Muxy>blathijs: thesis about xhat ?
05:02<Muxy>*what
05:02<blathijs>Muxy: Translating hardware descriptions in Haskell to VHDL
05:03<Muxy>blathijs: bless you :)
05:03<Xaroth>blathijs: I take it the easy subjects were already taken? :P
05:03<TrueBrain>Xaroth: if you would know blathijs a bit (and the fact he is Dutch), you wouldn't have asked that :p
05:04<Xaroth>unfortunately I don't know him other than knowing he was dutch :P
05:04<blathijs>Xaroth: This was a fun subject. Nice opportunity to learn Haskell :-p
05:05<blathijs>Xaroth: And I've so far limited to the "easy" stuff, I'm not translating arbitrary Haskell programs, only ones that very explicitly describe hardware designs
05:05<Xaroth>ah :)
05:06<Xaroth>I'm long glad I never had to do any thesis :P
05:07<TrueBrain>blathijs: make sure to pass us a copy when you are done ;)
05:07<TrueBrain>I have to go to EVO .. bye all :)
05:07<Xaroth>cya TrueBrain
05:07<blathijs>TrueBrain: hf
05:08<blathijs>Xaroth: The Haskell coding part was really cool, but the thesis writing part is taking a bit too long for my taste :-p
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05:08<Terkhen>hello
05:09<Xaroth>blathijs: writing stuff (project/thesis wise) is always the annoying bit
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05:13<blathijs>Yup :-)
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09:35<ZxBiohazardZx>heya
09:35<ZxBiohazardZx>im back here XD
09:36<ZxBiohazardZx>can someone explain what i did wrong with compiling after isbeta3 patching on the revision 16532 (language files missing/error compiling language file)
09:39<ZxBiohazardZx>getting an error on the "make" command
09:40<@Rubidium>1) patching gave absolutely no warnings/errors/failures/rejects?
09:40<ZxBiohazardZx>lemmy check that
09:41<@Rubidium>2) you worked on a clean version of trunk?
09:41<ZxBiohazardZx>not sure anymore, think it didnt
09:41<ZxBiohazardZx>yeah
09:41<ZxBiohazardZx>i got clean trunk, rev 16532 as suggested with the file
09:41<ZxBiohazardZx>but ill just get clean trunk again:P
09:41<@Rubidium>odd
09:41<ZxBiohazardZx>and retry the patch before ill ./configure and make again:P
09:41<ZxBiohazardZx>hoping to figure out the problem
09:42<@Rubidium>where's that diff?
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09:43<ZxBiohazardZx>1 sec lemmy get link again
09:43<ZxBiohazardZx>it was on IS infra site
09:44<@Rubidium>applies and seems to compile fine on a clean r16523
09:44<ZxBiohazardZx>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/files there you go
09:45<ZxBiohazardZx>i just got myself a clean revision 16532 with tortoise SVN (update till revision 16532 and NOT head)
09:45<ZxBiohazardZx>but lemmy check that patch again:P
09:45<ZxBiohazardZx>just redownloaded the 16532 again
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09:49<ZxBiohazardZx>"completed, at revision 16532"
09:49<ZxBiohazardZx>ok now i go apply the patch
09:50<ZxBiohazardZx>alright now it returns me with 1 million errors wtf
09:50<@Rubidium>then you're doing it wrong
09:51<ZxBiohazardZx>"c:\BuidOTTD\trunk\a' is not a working copy "
09:51<ZxBiohazardZx>and again with does not exists
09:51<ZxBiohazardZx>do i have to compile the trunk BEFORE patching?:S
09:51<@Rubidium>no
09:51<ZxBiohazardZx>wtf
09:51<ZxBiohazardZx>then why does it freaking come with THAT error?
09:51<@Rubidium>it's just not a svn diff, which means that anything that assumes it's a svn diff fails horribly
09:52<ZxBiohazardZx>*sigh
09:52<ZxBiohazardZx>alright
09:52<ZxBiohazardZx>so can i try with mingw
09:52<ZxBiohazardZx>or do i have to download another thing for patching?
09:52<ZxBiohazardZx>cause i remember doing it on a different way but ive prolly removed that so:p
09:52<@Rubidium>no, patch is fine as long as you use the right parameters
09:52<ZxBiohazardZx>with tortoise?
09:53<ZxBiohazardZx>or do i need something else to apply that .diff file with?
09:55<ZxBiohazardZx>alright found this BIZAR solutio (part1)
09:55<ZxBiohazardZx>renamed "trunk" to "a" seemed to make the majority work
09:56<ZxBiohazardZx>only have a problem with " \dev\null
09:56<ZxBiohazardZx>could not open the file \dev\null (ok)
09:56<ZxBiohazardZx>can only click Ok so i assume i do that?
09:58<Xaroth>poor Rubidium
09:58<ZxBiohazardZx>anyone know about this issue?
09:59<ZxBiohazardZx>the null files DO contain some text
09:59<ZxBiohazardZx>so im assuming they are wrong (isbeta3)
09:59<ZxBiohazardZx>or wtf happend:p
09:59<ZxBiohazardZx>rubidium still alive?
09:59<@Rubidium>... you're probably bitten by microsoft's crappy patch implementation or so
10:00<ZxBiohazardZx>pffft
10:00<ZxBiohazardZx>the .diff
10:00<ZxBiohazardZx>contains a few "null" entries
10:00<ZxBiohazardZx>that should have been named
10:00<ZxBiohazardZx>XD
10:00<ZxBiohazardZx>it says /** @file infrastructure.cpp Implementation of infrastructure sharing */ in first line
10:00<ZxBiohazardZx>on the first "null"
10:01<ZxBiohazardZx>im guessing it should be infrastructure.cpp
10:01<ZxBiohazardZx>but i hate to guess
10:01<ZxBiohazardZx>and i hate a .diff that just doesnt work on apply XD
10:01<ZxBiohazardZx>first i had to rename trunk to "a" and now i have this weird stuff
10:02<ZxBiohazardZx>i just want IS to work on an openttd trunk XD
10:02<welshdragon>I'd like IS and Cargodist for Christmas
10:02<welshdragon>i doubt it wiuld happen
10:02<ZxBiohazardZx>hehe
10:03<ZxBiohazardZx>im struggling to get ISbeta3 working
10:03<ZxBiohazardZx>but it keeps doing the same error
10:03<ZxBiohazardZx>even after redownloading the .diff
10:03<welshdragon>have you tried with the recent stuff in their repository?
10:03<ZxBiohazardZx>hehe
10:03<ZxBiohazardZx>i dont want the release
10:03<ZxBiohazardZx>i just downloaded the file from their own site
10:03<ZxBiohazardZx>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/files
10:04<ZxBiohazardZx>and i even got myself a r16532 trunk
10:04<ZxBiohazardZx>to patch it against
10:04<ZxBiohazardZx>but the .diff just wont work
10:04<fjb>The patch needs option -p1 (with a POSIX compatible patch).
10:04<ZxBiohazardZx>first i had to rename my trunk to "a"
10:04<ZxBiohazardZx>and then i had an issue because of "null" entries
10:05<ZxBiohazardZx>im using tortoise merger and tortoiseSVN
10:05<ZxBiohazardZx>works fine
10:05<ZxBiohazardZx>just that the .diff has 4"null" entries
10:05<fjb>If you get that errors it is not working fine.
10:05<ZxBiohazardZx>that shouldnt be "null" but some name of file to change.cpp
10:06<fjb>First understand then complain.
10:07<ZxBiohazardZx>*sigh
10:07<ZxBiohazardZx>alright
10:07<@Rubidium>ZxBiohazardZx: if a plain text editor doesn't read your Word document right, do you start bashing at the file till it's fine it the text editor... or are you going to use Word?
10:07<ZxBiohazardZx>tricky tricky
10:07<ZxBiohazardZx>depends
10:08<ZxBiohazardZx>i think id do the word option
10:08<ZxBiohazardZx>but the point is that i only have the plain text editor
10:08<ZxBiohazardZx>and dont know what the "word" program would be XD
10:08<ZxBiohazardZx>aka
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10:08<ZxBiohazardZx>im complete idiot/n00b
10:08<ZxBiohazardZx>and im trying to get the IS3 diff working on the trunk it was designed for/updated to
10:08<ZxBiohazardZx>but it wont let me
10:09<ZxBiohazardZx>so i turn to my IRC
10:09<@Rubidium>then use the idiot/n00b proof binaries
10:09<ZxBiohazardZx>where all the PRO's are
10:09<ZxBiohazardZx>XD
10:09<ZxBiohazardZx>i think ive said it before (with you here)
10:09<@Rubidium>if you can't handle patching, then you certainly can't handle solving rejects/compile failures
10:09<ZxBiohazardZx>im willing to learn, just that the learning curve with you guys is really steep
10:09<ZxBiohazardZx>XD
10:10<ZxBiohazardZx>i figured, because the last 25 compiles/patches where fine
10:10<ZxBiohazardZx>just this IS3 is giving me problems
10:10<+glx>it's an hg diff (which is a standard diff applyable using patch -p1)
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10:11<+glx>you can also make it usable by tortoise (remove a/ and b/, but do it carefully)
10:12<@Rubidium>which is more or less industry standard and subversion is one of the few not obeying
10:12<ZxBiohazardZx>thx glx
10:12<ZxBiohazardZx>alright:P
10:12<KenjiE20>or use the beta5 SVN diffs >_>
10:12<ZxBiohazardZx>where is the beta 5 .diff ?
10:12<ZxBiohazardZx>their own site only has beta 2 and 3 .diff files
10:12<ZxBiohazardZx>XD
10:12<KenjiE20>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/is2/trunk-patches/
10:12<ZxBiohazardZx>wow...
10:12<ZxBiohazardZx>thx XD
10:13<ZxBiohazardZx>and beta5 works against latest rev?
10:13<ZxBiohazardZx>or ?
10:13<KenjiE20>try reading the links
10:14<ZxBiohazardZx>its jsut that i recall that on forums, they mentionned something like: revision =/= trunk revision
10:14<ZxBiohazardZx>but alrightXD
10:14<ZxBiohazardZx>ill give it a shot, nothing to lose anyway:)
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10:44<fjb>Hm, using something else then TortoiseSVN is a steep learning curve? Strange guy...
10:45<blathijs>16:07:30 < ZxBiohazardZx> where all the PRO's ar <-- n00b :-p
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11:25<guru3>ok this is odd...
11:26<guru3>running openttd with SDL_VIDEOMODE=dga and i've lost mouse input
11:26<guru3>and possibly keyboard input
11:26<guru3>err SDL_VIDEODRIVER
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13:13<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18038 /trunk/src/script/squirrel.cpp: -Fix [FS#3290] (r17402): AIs failed to load their data from savegames by crashing them when they tried
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13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r18039 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: bulgarian - 5 changes by Tvel
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: polish - 7 changes by amateja
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: ukrainian - 2 changes by Madvin
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: vietnamese - 12 changes by nglekhoi
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14:42<planetmaker>!info
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14:42<planetmaker>he :-)
14:49<Ammler>noob!
14:50<planetmaker>:-) Actually I was curious ;-)
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14:50<planetmaker>but the kick-list of commands is quite up2date :-P
14:50<planetmaker>I would have bet that !info wasn't in that list - but I proved myself wrong :-P
14:50<frosch123>the command is piped to your bot in private, and if it answers the kick is issued
14:51<planetmaker>haha :-) that's nice
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14:51<frosch123>(no idea actually :p )
14:51<planetmaker>:-P
14:51<planetmaker>!tunnels
14:52<planetmaker>wrong hypothesis ;-)
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15:14<_ln>http://vaunut.org/kuva/36884 (sfw)
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15:19<FauxFaux>Whatever language that page is in seems to be designed for people with sticky keys. ¬_¬
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15:23<planetmaker>if I'd have to bet, it's Finish.
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15:29<ptr_>yes, it's finish
15:29<ptr_>finnish*
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15:32<_ln>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tzga6qAaBA (surprising power line video)
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15:40<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18040 /trunk/src/ (core/alloc_type.hpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: the size parameter (if it's that actually) isn't needed for the delete operator
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15:41<FauxFaux>_ln: How do they get the sound so good when the helicopter is sitting there? :/
15:42<_ln>they're in america where anything's possible
15:43<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18041 /trunk/src/newgrf_text.cpp: -Codechange: some coding style
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15:53<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18042 /trunk/src/core/alloc_type.hpp: -Cleanup: remove some stale comments
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16:07<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18043 /trunk/known-bugs.txt: -Document: the resizing issue with SDL and OpenTTD
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16:09<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18044 /trunk/known-bugs.txt: -Change: mention (one of the) bug report(s) for the known-but-will-not-or-cannot-fix bugs and order them by FS ID
16:16<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18045 /trunk/src/ (core/pool_type.hpp newgrf_text.cpp stdafx.h window_gui.h):
16:16<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Fix: GCC 4.5@HEAD not compiling OpenTTD anymore because of a "non-placement deallocation function [is] selected for placement delete", or in other words delete(void *, size_t) is 'magic'.
16:16<CIA-4>OpenTTD: We implemented these delete(void *, size_t) operator functions because MSVC warned that "no matching operator delete found; memory will not be freed if initialization throws an exception" for new(size_t, size_t).
16:16<CIA-4>OpenTTD: This disables MSVC warning about this because we do not use exceptions in the (constructors that use the) overridden allocation functions, as such they will never be called; delete(void *) remains necessary though.
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16:46<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18046 /branches/0.7/src/ (9 files in 4 dirs):
16:46<CIA-4>OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
16:46<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: AIs failed to load their data from savegames by crashing them when they tried [FS#3290] (r18038)
16:46<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Screen jumped a bit for at least SDL and Allegro when right-click-dragging (r18030)
16:46<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Improve parsing of RIFF data. Skip unknown chunks and check chunk sizes (r17999)
16:46<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Count only active clients (not those waiting for map download) when checking min_active_clients limit (r16506)
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17:09<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18047 /branches/0.7/src/ (core/alloc_type.hpp newgrf_text.cpp stdafx.h window_gui.h):
17:09<CIA-4>OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
17:09<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: GCC 4.5 compiling (r18045, r18040)
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17:26<Terkhen>good night
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