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---Logopened Wed Nov 18 00:00:19 2009
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00:14<pw->what would you lot say is the best AI in online content
00:14<pw->i currently have Admiral AI
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03:32<CIA-4>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18159 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Rework graphs to scale to the widget they are in, instead of using absolute pixel placement. X-axis labels still need work for large fonts.
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03:59<@petern>heh
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04:40<@petern>wonder how long it takes for google streetview to show up
04:40<blathijs>The streetview car just passed by?
04:43<@Rubidium>blathijs: why would they need a streetview car in the UK? Isn't each street covered by CCTV? (Would give live streetview)
04:45<blathijs>:-)
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04:46<TrueBrain>You do know one of the 'C' stands for CLOSED, right? :p
04:46<@petern>hehe
04:46<@petern>yeah, i saw it this morning
04:47<TrueBrain>here it btw took about 2 months, between seeing the car passing by, and seeing it on the internet
04:47<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: but closed in "closed circuit" just means that the signal hasn't been broadcast
04:47<TrueBrain>and what does google do with signals? :p
04:48<@Rubidium>that's where they start to dishonour their initial spirit of wording: "A growing branch in CCTV is Internet Protocol Cameras (IP Cameras). IP cameras allow homeowners and businesses to view their camera(s) through any internet connection available through a computer or a 3G phone."
04:49<TrueBrain>not so much CC :p
04:50<@Rubidium>yup, similar that PCs in companies aren't necessarily personal computers (okay, they are personnel computers)
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05:09<CIA-4>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18160 /trunk/src/ (graph_gui.cpp lang/english.txt):
05:09<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Codechange: The hyphen character may not line up in all fonts, so draw
05:09<CIA-4>OpenTTD: the Y-axis ticks manually.
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05:33<CIA-4>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18161 /trunk/src/lang/ (50 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Remove hyphen from y-label in all languages
05:38*petern ponders rotated text for the x-axis labels
05:40<Rubidium>you mean move the x-axis labels to the right side?
05:41<Rubidium>or just right aligning on the left side (if it doesn't already do so)
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05:43<@petern>no, evil hackery with rotating pixels, hehe
05:43<@petern>the x-axis labels are the only bit left to fix, however
05:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18162 /trunk/src/train_gui.cpp: -Fix: rest-of-train train selection
05:46<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18163 /trunk/src/depot_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the depot GUI RTL aware
05:50<Rubidium>I'd say that we leave the 'current' state, only force right/left alignment of the different strings. If it really bothers a RTL user they'll make that known in some way
05:51<Goulp>why not draw directly from right to left all things ?
05:52<Rubidium>because that isn't trivial?
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05:59<Goulp>when rtl is used, does sizing button position need to be changed from right to left also ?
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07:12<bartavelle>hello
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07:30<@petern>Liberation Sans Bold works quite nicely
07:30<@petern>hmm, maybe with AA only
07:30*petern wonders how to improve the text shadow, without splitting drawing
07:31<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18164 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Change: make dropdown 'right' align to the opening widget with RTL
07:32<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18165 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make company dropdowns RTL aware
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07:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18166 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the livery colour window RTL aware
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09:10<@Belugas>hello
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09:21<pw->ok so, the game starts in 5 hours, and i haven't slept yet
09:22<pw->go get beer now, and sleep till the last minute?
09:22<pw->or wake up in 4 hours and go get beer then?
09:22<planetmaker>3rd alternative: don't sleep
09:22<planetmaker>hello Belugas :-)
09:23<Eddi|zuHause>who needs sleep anyway?
09:23<pw->if i don't sleep i'll fall asleep three beers in
09:23<pw->but i will probably end up not sleeping anyway, i'm too excited
09:24<pw->most important game of the year
09:24<pw->well, so far, at any rate
09:24<valhallasw>pw-: skip getting beer, sleep 4 hours and 55 minutes, make tea, play game
09:24<planetmaker>then you definitely should drink now a whole sixpack of beer
09:24<Eddi|zuHause>who in his right mind drinks beer at 9AM?
09:24<pw->not play, watch
09:25<pw->it'll be 2 pm by then, Eddi|zuHause
09:25<Eddi|zuHause>on a wednesday?
09:25<pw->on a wednesday.
09:26<@petern>important game of ottd?
09:26<pw->no
09:26<pw->russia at slovenia
09:26<pw->world cup quali
09:26<@petern>oh
09:27<valhallasw>ah.
09:27<pw->hopefully now the beer makes sense to you lot
09:27<valhallasw>then my suggestion is: program vcr, get beer, sleep 8 hours, watch game :P
09:27<pw->at 2 pm on a wednesday
09:28<pw->no way man, i can't watch this game late
09:28<valhallasw>:D
09:28<pw->this is THE game
09:28<pw->if russia loses this, we're out of the cup
09:28<+glx>and ?
09:28<pw->i have to see it live =)
09:28<+glx>I won't watch France tonight
09:28<pw->some fans are bigger than others, i guess =P
09:29<+glx>football fans are just stupid, they "destroy" a town in another country just because the result was not what they wanted
09:31<dihedral>and if russia looses the game you will be annoyed with yourself for not sleeping 8 hours
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09:32<ltsampros>pw-: ukra vs greece too
09:32<pw->yeah, but i won't see that one
09:32<dihedral>but if you do sleep and watch the game late, at least you lose nothing in case they loose
09:32<pw->unless i watch a stream online or something
09:33<Eddi|zuHause>glx: those are not "fans"
09:33<dihedral>if this is a d-game, the chances are high they have not played all to well before :-P
09:33<Eddi|zuHause>glx: those are people who want to destroy towns, no matter the result of the game
09:33<pw->^
09:35*dihedral dislikes football
09:35*fjb too
09:36<pw->not for everyone, i guess
09:36<+glx>http://www.france24.com/en/20091115-violence-erupts-marseille-over-algeria-egypt-football-match
09:36*Eddi|zuHause is football-agnostic
09:36<pw->you don't believe football can be proven or disproven?
09:36<pw->it exists, i assure you
09:38<@petern>football-apatheist
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09:38<pw->heh, clever
09:38<thingwath>who would like to play a game you can win? so pointless.
09:39<Eddi|zuHause>pw-: well, THEY say that Bielefeld has a football team...
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09:40<pw->pfft
09:40<pw->beetle field football club
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10:09<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18167 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Change: make the graph legend, cargo payment graph and company league windows RTL aware
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13:17<CIA-4>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18168 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Codechange: Adjust a frame's child's padding to account for text height, and draw the top bar appropriately.
13:23<frosch123>Andel: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=45923 <- stop faking posts
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13:43<blathijs>frosch123: Faking?
13:44<frosch123>isn't it obviously by him? :p
13:44<blathijs>Dunno, I never read the forums
13:44<blathijs>but this particular post looks pretty real to me :-p
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13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r18169 /trunk/src/lang/ (french.txt german.txt italian.txt polish.txt):
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by dihedral
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: polish - 3 changes by silver_777
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13:51<@Belugas>Time for Tawoumga!
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14:34<andythenorth>neko neko neko (shake head)
14:35<andythenorth>meh
14:35<andythenorth>back to work
14:40<@Belugas>neko blast neko blast neko blast
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15:22<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18170 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the station view RTL aware
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15:27<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18171 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Change: always align the about to the left; it is not translated and as such it's never a RTL text.
15:28<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18172 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix: consistency w.r.t. using space after the copyright symbol in the about window
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15:36<_ln>do they play Rammstein's 'Pussy' in "normal" places over there?
15:36<@petern>where is there?
15:37<_ln>either there or the other there.
15:38<_ln>i just heard it in a bowling place and wondered if such lyrics would be appropriate for a finnish song.
15:41<@Belugas>if it plays in a place where no one cares about the lyrics, or where no one can understand the lyrics, or where no one has the morality of a virgin visiting the pope, i'd say it's fine
15:41<@Belugas>as for the others, just leave the room, you prude!
15:44<@Belugas>dmaned... that bowling game must have been very boring ;)
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15:57<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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16:19<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18173 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the smallmap RTL aware
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16:35<@Belugas>night all, /me goes back in comfort zone
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16:50<fonsinchen>{7:FORCE}
16:50<fonsinchen>in english.txt
16:50<fonsinchen>should this mean: use 7th parameter for this value and then 8th, 9th, ... for further values, or ..
16:51<fonsinchen>should this mean: use 7th parameter for this value and return to previous number for further values
16:51<fonsinchen>?
16:52<Eddi|zuHause>more like the second one...
16:54<Rubidium>more like neither :)
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16:54<Eddi|zuHause>to make sure, i'd use the number on every parameter
16:54<Rubidium>{7:FORCE} -> 8th parameter (0 would be the first). After that it will continue at the next parameter
16:55<Rubidium>depending on how many parameters FORCE consumes
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16:55<Rubidium>e.g. {1:STRING2} {STRING} -> {1:STRING2} -> 1, 2, 3, {STRING} -> 4
16:56<fonsinchen>it's like this: STR_ENGINE_PREVIEW_COST_WEIGHT_SPEED_POWER_MAX_TE :{BLACK}Cost: {CURRENCY} Weight: {WEIGHT_S}{}Speed: {VELOCITY} Power: {POWER} Max. T.E.: {7:FORCE}{}Running Cost: {CURRENCY}/yr{}Capacity: {CARGO}
16:56<fonsinchen>and the last two aren't properly displayed
16:56<Rubidium>currency would get 8-ish
16:56<fonsinchen>but the code in engine_gui.cpp assigns it to 4
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16:57<Rubidium>so there's a bug there
16:57<fonsinchen>eh, it's not in engine_gui.cpp, let me search that ...
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16:58<fonsinchen>yes it is: engine_gui.cpp:159
16:59<fonsinchen>this is the cause of the crash Auge has reported in the cargodist thread. If the parameter for the last CARGO has some weird value (which is possible as it's uninitialized), CargoSpec::Get will throw an assertion.
17:00<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18175 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the network lobby and client list RTL aware
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17:03<fonsinchen>Shall I open a FS ticket on that?
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17:06<Rubidium>nah, I'm fixing it right now
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17:10<Eddi|zuHause>why not reorder stuff so this "direct" addressing isn't necessary at all?
17:11<fonsinchen>OK, thanks Rubidium
17:11<Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: good question, ... but one string shows it, lots of others don't
17:11<Eddi|zuHause>hm, fine...
17:12<Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: so you need to add the direct addressing to another string to remove it here, or duplicate quite a bit of lines
17:12<Eddi|zuHause>then it's probably missing a {4:CURRENCY}
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20:37<@Belugas>mmmh
20:37<@Belugas>later then i though
20:37<@Belugas>than
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22:01<mickster04>hey can anyone help me set up a goal server?
22:01<mickster04>i cant see how to do it in any manual
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22:51<mickster04>does anyone have a points system goal server set up that i could at least look at? code wise?
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