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---Logopened Fri Nov 27 00:00:40 2009
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03:37<Terkhen>good morning
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05:20<Heinervdm>Hi, i'm packaging openttd for OpenEmbedded and for this i need to include a default config. Is there a place where i can place a default config? The user home isn't avaible at installtime...
05:22<planetmaker>that depends on the OS
05:22<planetmaker>readme section 4.2 has defaults
05:23<planetmaker>also: a config is not needed. It will be created, if it doesn't exist
05:23<planetmaker>Unless, of course, the defaults don't suit you
05:23<SmatZ>I wonder what happens when a config is found, but user has no write rights in that file
05:23<SmatZ>will that create one in his home? it's better to verify that
05:24<SmatZ>other way is to edit table/settings.h and change defaults there :)
05:24<planetmaker>I dispise global install of games like this one. Having it local to the user is so much more convenient.
05:24<SmatZ>yeah :)
05:24<planetmaker>But then I'm grown up with MS-DOS and even saw windows < 3.0 in action
05:25<planetmaker>20 frigging years ago :-O
05:26<planetmaker>and flash my flash player increasingly uses CPU the longer it runs web radio :-(
05:26<SmatZ>I saw some old windows ~15 years ago, on some 80286 ;)
05:26<Noldo>I have to admit that 3.0 was the firt windows I used
05:27<planetmaker>yeah, 80286 was my first PC. MS-DOS 3.3 and my dad brought windows 2.7 or so
05:27<SmatZ>the first windows I really used was 95... back then, I had computer just for playing DOS games (and some typing in DOS text editors and drawing in DOS programs)
05:28<planetmaker>That computer had the same purpose for me ;-)
05:28<SmatZ>hehe :-)
05:28<planetmaker>MS Word 5.0 for DOS on 20 5.25" discs, 360kByte each :-P
05:28<Heinervdm>planetmaker: Section 4.2 is about artwork files, is it the same for configs?
05:28<planetmaker>Heinervdm: yes
05:28<Heinervdm>planetmaker: ok, thx
05:28<SmatZ> - If openttd.cfg is not found, then it will be created using the 2, 4, 1, 3, 5 order.
05:28<SmatZ>there's that note ;)
05:29<planetmaker>:-) ^ he knows it best, I guess ;-)
05:29<SmatZ>nope, I don't :(
05:29<SmatZ>I am sometimes surprised new openttd.cfg is created in my current working directory
05:29<planetmaker>SmatZ needs to patch himself? ;-)
05:29<SmatZ>even when one is in my home
05:30<SmatZ>maybe some race condition between more openttd copies running
05:30<planetmaker>hm... I never investigated that. But OpenTTD doesn't lock those files. Could it even?
05:31<SmatZ>maybe it locks it during writing to config (exitting game)
05:31<planetmaker>IIRC it first writes to a new file and then, when finished, overwrites
05:31<SmatZ>or maybe even when reading it :)
05:31<SmatZ>that's possible
05:31<SmatZ>though I see no reason for that
05:32<SmatZ>creating new temp file ans stuff...
05:32<planetmaker>savety and working around flushes of FS
05:32<planetmaker>e.g. no corruption, if power fault during write
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05:34<SmatZ>you are right, planetmaker, you know the code better than I :)
05:34<planetmaker>nah. I just recall the commit message. And I remember as I'm still impressed what things one has to care about
05:36<SmatZ> renaming a file - the windows and posix ways ;)
05:37*planetmaker for *some* reason prefers posix ways even more ;-)
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05:38<planetmaker>hm... the spam filter at is off again.
05:39<SmatZ>it was probably inconvenient
05:39<SmatZ>I think opendune crash reports contain http://
05:39<SmatZ>so one couldn't paste them
05:39<SmatZ>or so
05:39<planetmaker>possibly. Though it's easy to work around. Just paste, replace http:// by htp:// and be done
05:40<planetmaker>but the browser has to support search & replace ;-)
05:40<SmatZ>hehe :)
05:42<planetmaker>hm... 15 percent points more CPU usage per hour... damn flash
05:42*planetmaker kicks his flash install
05:44<planetmaker>might be an FF issue, though
05:49<planetmaker>@calc 112-15-63
05:49<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: 34
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08:43<Eddi|zuHause>ok... this is hopeless...
08:43<Eddi|zuHause>where's the passenger reduction patch?
08:48<planetmaker>it's available as newgrf
08:48<planetmaker>or was it only reduced payment? Dunno
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08:49<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: if it was a newgrf, it must be part of the house newgrf. only TTRS can modify TTRS houses, only swedish set can modify swedish houses, etc.
08:52<planetmaker>in principle you could write a newgrf which changes that nevertheless.
08:52<planetmaker>One newgrf can modify others
08:52<planetmaker>but the newgrf I seemed to recall only changes payment
08:53<planetmaker>you'll need to query the newgrf number and then change the properties for all action0 for pax/mail generation
08:53<frosch123>planetmaker: nope
08:54<planetmaker>nope? hm
08:54<frosch123>you first have to extent feature 08 property 11 for houses
08:55<planetmaker>he :-)
08:55<frosch123>or was it eddi who missed those numbers?
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08:56<Eddi|zuHause>i never miss numbers...
08:57<Eddi|zuHause>i possibly miss numb3rs, though, as it comes very irregularly...
08:57<frosch123> <- try that one
08:58<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, that looks close to what my last hack looked like in that direction ;)
08:58<Eddi|zuHause>but i recall a patch that properly accounted for fractional values and stuff
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09:03<frosch123> <- more like that?
09:04<frosch123>hello belugas
09:08<Eddi|zuHause>not exactly sure what that does..
09:08<Eddi|zuHause>i think i'll go with the simple version for now ;)
09:08<@Belugas>mister frosch123 :) hello sir
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09:09<Benny1>How do I change settings in a network game using rcon?
09:09<Eddi|zuHause>oooh... a rainbow
09:09<Benny1>Doing rcon [PASSWORD] set [NAME OF SETTING] [VALUE] does not work.
09:10<@Rubidium>you need to quote the command
09:10<frosch123>add " " around the command and its arguments
09:11<+glx>to be clear : rcon [PASSWORD] "set [NAME OF SETTING] [VALUE]"
09:13<Benny1>Hm.. Tried it on network.autoclean_unprotected, and it does not output anything
09:13<Benny1>I checked it afterwards; setting had not changed
09:14<Benny1>Wait, the rcon pass was wrong...
09:16<Eddi|zuHause>err... i think my trams deadlocked...
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09:23<Benny1>Argh, now rcon pass is correct, but it still doesn't output anything.
09:24<Benny1>I do rcon [PASSWORD] "set network.autoclean_companies 1", but the value does not change.
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09:28<planetmaker>do: rcon passwd set "setting value"
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09:31<Benny1>Didn't work either.. O.O
09:31<oskari89>!seen DanMacK
09:31<oskari89>Blah, wrong channel :D
09:32<@Rubidium>Benny1: what version are you using?
09:33<Benny1>Of OpenTTD?
09:33<PeterT>Benny1: What is the problem?
09:33<Benny1>changing settings ingame
09:34<PeterT>Like what kind?
09:34<Benny1>(15:24:07) Benny: I do rcon [PASSWORD] "set network.autoclean_companies 1", but the value does not change. <-- That's my problem
09:34<PeterT>try setting instead of set
09:34<Benny1>Done already
09:35<PeterT>is the rcon password correct?
09:36<Ammler>Benny1: "network."? (skip it)
09:36<PeterT>yeah, you don't need all that
09:36<PeterT>try autoclean_companies (1|0)
09:36<@Rubidium>rcon [PASSWORD] "set network.autoclean_companies 1" is a right way to do it; just tested it and it works
09:36<@Rubidium>it just doesn't return anything on the console, but you can check by
09:37<@Rubidium>rcon [PASSWORD] "set network.autoclean_companies" whether it's turned on or off
09:37<@Rubidium>unless you're using the wrong password
09:38<Ammler>ah network is the section, but it would work without too :-)
09:39<Benny1>Fiiiinally worked :D
09:39<Benny1>Thanks a bunch people :D
09:39<Ammler>wrong rcon pw?
09:39<PeterT>I think it has always worked, you just able to check whether it worked or not
09:40<Benny1>You're both wrong.
09:40<Benny1>I did check the settings after trying, and I tested the pass with another command.
09:40<Benny1>Tested with rcon pass pause/unpause
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09:41<Eddi|zuHause>ahh... things are starting to look a lot better now...
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09:43<Ammler>Rubidium: Feature Request: do output something also when set a value, something like "<setting> set to <value>"
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09:43<@Belugas>why not <ACK> ?
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09:44<Ammler>doesn't matter, just something :-)
09:44<frosch123>just "k"
09:44<planetmaker>but it would contradict the usual way a console works
09:44<planetmaker>if it works, stay silent. Only complain on errors
09:44<@Rubidium>there's one slight issue with that...
09:45<@Rubidium>... the rcon 'connection' is closed before it's handled async (CmdChangeSetting)
09:46<planetmaker>how does it work then, if it's an error?
09:46<@Belugas>why change someting when it works as the dev intended it to?
09:46<@Rubidium>those are checks before the command is actually sent
09:47<planetmaker>ah. client-side :-) I see
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09:52<@Rubidium>hmm... the Germans have no 1 letter abbreviation for departure/arrival on their (real world) timetables?
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09:53<frosch123>departure and arrival are usually on two different "sheets" of paper
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09:55<frosch123>but there are 2 letter abbreviations :p
09:57<planetmaker>frosch123: I thought about 3-letter, but I don't find them attractive
09:57<@Rubidium>well, full isn't attractive at all right now :)
09:57<planetmaker>besides I thought that we might take advantage of the new widget features ;-)
09:58<frosch123>planetmaker: you should use "an" and "ab"
09:58<@Rubidium>ah well, it's just another proof that SETX should really really be avoided
09:58<planetmaker>hm, true. I didn't think of those
09:58<planetmaker>oh... I would have had to adjust that?
09:58<frosch123>i am no translator
09:59<frosch123>(luckily :p)
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10:01<planetmaker>changed to An: and Ab:
10:01<planetmaker>thx for notification
10:01<Eddi|zuHause>may i request lower case?
10:01<Eddi|zuHause>and without :
10:01<frosch123>without colons :p
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10:02<frosch123>"an" and "ab" are also the terms used by
10:03<planetmaker>yeah, you're right.
10:03<whatslife>have quiestion, somebody knows about Transporter tycoon cheats ?
10:03*planetmaker is the willing translation slave :-P
10:03<frosch123>whatslife: ctrl+alt+c
10:03<@Rubidium>no need to change the translation now; it's going to be trashed anyway
10:03<planetmaker>remote website form editing via IRC interface :-P
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10:04<planetmaker>whatslife: of course no one. Unless you ask questions which are not meta questions
10:04<whatslife>Frosch123 that dosent work...
10:04<Eddi|zuHause>anyone ever noticed how the melody of "Katzenklo" and "Jingle Bells" are very much alike?
10:05<planetmaker>hehe :-)
10:05<Eddi|zuHause>whatslife: then try holding the "win" key as well
10:05<planetmaker>whatslife: talking original TTD or OpenTTD?
10:05<frosch123> <- whatslife: then its your falt
10:06<planetmaker>then upgrade ;-)
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10:08<whatslife>what that ctrl+alt+c does ?
10:09<planetmaker>maybe open the cheat window, eh?
10:10<planetmaker>but we talk OpenTTD here. Not original TTD. Nor TT.
10:10<whatslife>i dont have original :)
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10:10<planetmaker>nor do I. Nor do I have TTD
10:11<planetmaker>maybe somewhere... but never started
10:11<planetmaker>in the last 5 years at least
10:11<whatslife>you play what version then ?
10:11<whatslife>i playd one version lot years ago
10:12<planetmaker>other versions are played in #tycoon
10:12<whatslife>can i get openTTD with torrent ?
10:12<planetmaker>you could simply download it...
10:12<Chrill>whatslife, check
10:12<Chrill>click Download Stable
10:13<Chrill>it's a perfectly usable .exe
10:13*planetmaker wouldn't be able to use a .exe
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10:14<PeterT>But you stilll need original graphics, unless you have them already
10:14<PeterT>Or you can use the GFX Replacment project
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10:14<Chrill>then again, PeterT, those are downloadable as well
10:15<whatslife>wow its estonian ?
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10:17<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18304 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: don't use SETX for the arrival/departure panel; some languages don't have short abbreviations :(
10:17<whatslife>y guys
10:17<whatslife>am from estonia :)
10:17<PeterT>Cool ;)
10:18<@Rubidium>planetmaker: now you can translate (again)
10:18<planetmaker>:-) oki doki
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10:19<planetmaker>so... frosch123 Eddi|zuHause : with those changes: still "an" and "ab" or the long version as before?
10:20<planetmaker>Ammler: ^
10:20<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: what's wrong with "an"/"ab"?
10:20<planetmaker>nothing :-)
10:20<@Rubidium>mb might not agree with it?
10:21<planetmaker>he even might
10:21<Eddi|zuHause>i wouldn't know why not...
10:21<planetmaker>and even if ;-)
10:23<planetmaker>sad thing is that your change is then - at least currently - unused ;-)
10:24<Ammler>IMO, it is silly to use English for discussing German translation :-P
10:24*planetmaker agrees ;-)
10:24<@Rubidium>well, start
10:24*planetmaker does silly things from time to time
10:25<planetmaker>dt = 0.001s
10:25<Ammler>Rubidium: we once had a german channel (, but wasn't really successful :-)
10:30<frosch123>planetmaker: "an"/"ab" are far better :p
10:34<planetmaker>already implemented in that fashion
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10:57<Benny1>How do I load a game with rcon then?
10:57<Benny1>Or when launching openttd.exe with -D, both will work for me.
10:58<Benny1>Wait, maybe I should look at the wiki first... Ignore me, please
10:59<PeterT>launch openttd.exe --help
10:59<PeterT>I think -v savegame
10:59<KenjiE20>-v ? how do you spell load?
11:00<Benny1>-l then?
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11:00<KenjiE20>-g for game
11:01<@Rubidium>try -h
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11:02<Benny1>-h doesn't say anything about loading games.
11:02<PeterT>Benny1: -g [savegame]
11:02<PeterT>and -G seed
11:03<PeterT>you can use multiple parameters, too
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11:03<PeterT>What do you mean loading games? Loading a savegame?
11:03<Benny1>So, openttd.exe -g "C:\NSB.sav" -D
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11:03<Benny1>Loading a savegame, yes
11:03<PeterT>I would put -D first
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11:04<Fast2>Is there a way to prioritize a train over another in special cases? Example: I had built a station next to a sawmill. Then I had connected it with one near a forest for transporting wood. Now, I connected the other side with a station near a city for delivering goods. For this task I'm using another train. So I built two block signals, one on each side of the station beside the sawmill. Here...
11:04<PeterT>(I don't know if it matters, it just seems logical)
11:04<Fast2>...a problem araised: If the sawmill doesn't get any wood, it won't produce goods, so the train is waits and blocks the station and no wood can be brought. I'm searching for a way to tell the train he schould wait in front of the signal when there aren't any goods to load, instead of blocking the station.
11:04<PeterT>Conditional orders?
11:04<PeterT>If load percentage = 0 goto waypoint "overload"
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11:05<Benny1>wat, server crashed.. >.<
11:05<Benny1>File not readable? o.O
11:06<planetmaker>Fast2: build two stations: one pickup, one drop. Or use waypoints and goto via
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11:06<Fast2>PeterT: At the beginning of loading, the load percentage is always 0 ;)
11:07<PeterT>Benny1: put the savegame into your "save" directory, then try again, with -D -g [savegame]
11:07<PeterT>but don't insert a path, just the *.sav
11:07<Fast2>planetmaker: That's one possible solution, but it's less interesting than mine ;)
11:08<planetmaker>aha. Ok. But I wonder: why do you then ask?
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11:08<Fast2><Fast2> Is there a way to prioritize a train over another in special cases? [...]
11:09<planetmaker>you could also use trains of different lengths and use a train length sorter ;-)
11:09<Benny1>Ah, it worked now. Thanks, Peter ;-)
11:09<Fast2>What do you mean with the waypoints and goto via?
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11:11<Fast2>My track layout is: city ======= sawmill ====== forest
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11:15<Fast2>planetmaker: Did you get my message?
11:15<planetmaker>Fast2: have some station tracks available via waypoint1, others (or all) via waypoint2. Waypoint2 is for trains which drop wood.
11:16<planetmaker>That way you make sure that you'll always have at least one lane free for drop, thus avoiding a station entirely blocked by pickup-trains
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11:18<CIA-4>OpenTTD: frosch * r18305 /trunk/src/ (toolbar_gui.cpp widgets/dropdown.cpp): -Codechange: Replace some 2s with WD_FRAMERECT_(LEFT|RIGHT).
11:18<Fast2>My station is only one track broad and not a RoRo. (From the point of view of one single train)
11:18<Fast2>So this won't work
11:18<Fast2>But also a good idea :)
11:20<planetmaker>roro is no requirement for my idea to work
11:20<planetmaker>but at least two tracks wide station
11:21<CIA-4>OpenTTD: frosch * r18306 /trunk/src/ (52 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Remove the need for SETX from checkboxish menu items.
11:21<@Rubidium>or trickery with conditional orders
11:27<planetmaker>there's somewhere an article about self-regulating orders around :-)
11:27<Fast2>Rubidium: I didn't find the right one
11:27<planetmaker>The orders list for all stations just wasn't feasable, though ;-)
11:28<planetmaker>Fast2: "trickery" as the word. Not just "a not default order" ;-)
11:28<planetmaker>But I find it difficult to find, but there might be an orders' solution
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11:29<Fast2>Oh, I missunderstood the word. Now I've looked it up...
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11:35<CIA-4>OpenTTD: frosch * r18307 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Fix: some coding style.
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11:46<CIA-4>OpenTTD: frosch * r18308 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use GetSpriteSize() instead of hardcoded width in dropdowns with company icon.
11:46<@Rubidium> <- that's what I meant with trickery
11:48<Fast2>Hmmm, I remove the "load until full" (translated) flag, then check if it's full. In case it's true, it drives back to the city, otherwise it waits on a holding siding and tries to get back on the station again. The signal is going to force it to wait untill the station is free, then it can load :)
11:49<Eddi|zuHause>so... since planes didn't really cut it: my new high speed rail line,%203.%20Feb%201992.png
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11:50<Fast2>Rubidium: It's lind of you to keep thinking about my problem, but it seems like I got a solution by myself. (Almost the same :D )
11:51<Eddi|zuHause>now i "just" need to figure out how to connect it to the main station, which is a terminal station towards sea-side... so i must go through the city somehow
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11:52<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: distant join?
11:52<Eddi|zuHause>no... that's cheating ;)
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11:53<Fast2>Rubidium: I put your solution to the bookmarks. Thanks
11:53<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: tram connection :p
11:53<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, certainly ;)
11:54<@Rubidium>no planes; ships are very good for high volume, low space situations. You only need 2 station tiles for a station with capacity of 5000+ ships
11:55<@Rubidium>hmmm and Eddi|zuHause has ITiM, so he can schedule (space) them nicely
11:59<planetmaker>you need "signals on bridges", Eddi|zuHause
12:00<Eddi|zuHause>i need more things on bridges... but signals i do not, in this case...
12:00<Eddi|zuHause>i have a way longer tunnel on the other line
12:01<@Rubidium>nah, we need ETCS level 3 :)
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12:02<PeterT>How do you make an installer? I tried running build_installers.bat but It didn't seem to work
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12:15<Eddi|zuHause>fjb: new european stanard about signal-less signalling ;)
12:15<fjb>Ah that.
12:18<frosch123>european train collision system?
12:19<Eddi|zuHause>something like that :p
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12:50<@Belugas>why can't i just sit quietly and eat my lunch without interruptions?
12:50<@Belugas>god damned...
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12:52<Alberth>lock the door, out the light out, don't read the irc
12:52<Alberth>s/out /put /
12:53<Alberth>and enjoy your lunch :)
13:03<Eddi|zuHause>turn off the cell phone!
13:03<Eddi|zuHause>and the neighbour's phone, just to be sure ;)
13:04<@Belugas>well... i'm in open area section :(
13:04<@Belugas>don't read irc? bad idea... well... when there is something to read anyway ;)
13:07<@Rubidium>one *very* smelly fart?
13:07<@Rubidium>and... have a nice lunch
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13:13<@Rubidium>the kind that does: "sorry guys... I think a let another one like the 27th of November 2009", your colleagues: "oh, shoot... I'm late for this off-site meeting"
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13:21<Ch0Hag>Here, apparently.
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13:22<Eddi|zuHause>feature request: make the late counter modulo the round trip time...
13:23<Ch0Hag>Is it supposed to be nearly impossible to make a profit in the 1940s?
13:23<Ch0Hag>Whether with buses or trains or a mixture, building maintenence always exceeds income.
13:23<Eddi|zuHause>i have a train whose round trip time is 1:25h, and the lateness is 21:58h
13:23<Ch0Hag>And I don't know if somebody just doesn't like the 40s or I have a bad combination of GRFs.
13:23<Eddi|zuHause>Ch0Hag: you probably mixed newgrf sets
13:24<Eddi|zuHause>Ch0Hag: sometimes, newgrf sets modify running cost of other newgrf sets
13:25<Eddi|zuHause>Ch0Hag: if that is your problem, there is a solution for that in the newest nightly
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13:31<Eddi|zuHause>hm... this was the not-very-good kind of harddrive sound...
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13:34<Katje>I am getting confused by level crossings
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13:34<Katje>on the maglev
13:34<Katje>the trains keep killing my buses...
13:36<frosch123>build a bridge
13:37<Ammler>or use pbs
13:37<frosch123>or use ships :p
13:38<Katje>you can build a brdige over road ?
13:39<Ammler>why not? but pbs would work too, trust me ;-)
13:40<@Rubidium>Ammler: those things are call path signals
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13:40<Ammler>Rubidium: ps?
13:40<@Rubidium>Ammler: no, path signals
13:41<Ammler>ok, liked to say that ps is the coop publicserver :-)
13:41<@Rubidium>do not expect everyone entering here to be aware of whatever nicknames things were given during development
13:41<frosch123>Ammler: use #ps instead
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13:41<@Rubidium>same that people might not be aware what e.g. tl is
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13:42<Ammler>well, someone could wiki those things
13:43<@Belugas>[13:07] <@Rubidium> one *very* smelly fart? <-- nice idea :D noted!
13:45<Katje>used a tunnel instead
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r18309 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files): (log message trimmed)
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: croatian - 44 changes by UnderwaterHesus
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: french - 18 changes by glx
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: german - 4 changes by planetmaker
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: greek - 31 changes by fumantsu
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: hungarian - 18 changes by alyr
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13:49<Eddi|zuHause><Ammler> well, someone could wiki those things <-- nobody reads a wiki, even if there were _useful_ information in there...
13:49<Eddi|zuHause>don't have to put every slang expression in there...
13:50<Ammler>well, pbs is there
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14:06<Eddi|zuHause>yes, and exactly 0% of the newbies know it...
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14:19<frosch123>does the gnome terminal really have no tabs?
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14:41<Ch0Hag>Are the source install paths hard-coded somewhere?
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14:44<Alberth>usually specified by ./configure with a unix system
14:45<Ch0Hag>./configure seems to be odd.
14:45<Ch0Hag>It didn't accept --help
14:46<Eddi|zuHause>so... my network can barely handle a /4 reduced passenger load
14:46<planetmaker>Alberth: both, with and by is correct IMO ;-)
14:46<Eddi|zuHause>Ch0Hag: it used to...
14:46<Alberth>./configure --prefix=/path/to-where/you/want/the/binary
14:46<Ch0Hag>Oh, no, it was --prefix it didn't like.
14:47<Alberth>--help works here
14:47<Ch0Hag>Excuse me a minute. SWMBO is being demanding.
14:47<Alberth>you are right, it is --prefix-dir=dir apparently.
14:48<Alberth>planetmaker: I was not sure, with feeled better :)
14:48<planetmaker>s/feeled/felt/ :-P
14:49<Alberth>yeah, I was going to type that :)
14:49<planetmaker>You specify the path with ./configure, but the work is done by configure
14:49<planetmaker>s/with/with (the help of)/
14:49<Alberth>depends on what work you refer to
14:49<Alberth>oh english lesson :)
14:50<planetmaker>the action generation of the makefile commands :-)
14:50*planetmaker his a part-time language correctness nazi :-P
14:50<Alberth>every now and then is good :)
14:51<planetmaker>he :-)
14:52<Ch0Hag>She Who Must Be Obeyed.
14:53<Ch0Hag>Who changed it from --prefix to --prefix-dir
14:53<Ch0Hag>Someone at GNU trying to be clever probably.
14:54<Alberth>don't know, perhaps someone at OpenTTD. I have never seen this before, really
14:54<Alberth>but then again, you write a script for it and forget about it :p
14:55<planetmaker>./configure --help works here, btw
14:55<Alberth>or alternatively, never bother to install
14:55<planetmaker>^^ I prefer that
14:56<Alberth>if you build 20 versions a day, it is helpful :p
14:56<planetmaker>and it doesn't even help, if you only have one :-P
14:56<planetmaker>(and use your computer alone)
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15:16<Ch0Hag>I can't get music to work :(
15:17<PeterT>What do you mean?
15:17<Ch0Hag>Music. It doesn't work.
15:17<PeterT>Have you put the music in the the /gm folder in your install folder?
15:17<PeterT>(or the shared directory)
15:17<PeterT>what OS do you have?
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15:17<Ch0Hag>Well - a bunch of symlinks to the windows files.
15:17<PeterT>Oh, can't help you there
15:17<@petern>got a gm synth installed?
15:18<@petern>(or a midi port with a hw synth attached...)
15:18<Ch0Hag>Probably not.
15:18<Ch0Hag>I have a good sound card but midi has always been a PITA to configure.
15:19<Ch0Hag>sw midi is probably easier.
15:19<@petern>sound card 'goodness' has little bearing on midi capabilities
15:19<Ch0Hag>I mean it (supposedly) includes a hw synth.
15:20<Ch0Hag>I even got it to work once, long ago, and still have the sf2 file sitting around which I needed to load into it.
15:21<@petern>asfxload sf2file
15:21<Ch0Hag>Hmm well it's been a while.
15:21<Ch0Hag>May as well give it another go.
15:22<@petern>install pmidi
15:25<@petern>export ALSA_OUTPUT_PORTS=`pmidi -l | awk '/Emu/ { print $1; exit }'`
15:25<@petern>openttd -m extmidi:cmd=pmidi
15:25<Ch0Hag>There are 4.
15:25<Ch0Hag>I'll try them in turn.
15:26<@petern>4 ports?
15:26<@petern>the command takes the first one
15:26<@petern>hmm, maybe i should wiki-ize that
15:26<Ch0Hag>Oh yes it has an exit
15:27<Ch0Hag>Bah! Of course there'll be no sound if the volume's down.
15:27<@petern>i use the old 8MBGMGS.SF2
15:27<Ch0Hag>I got to the 3rd before I realised how dumb I was being.
15:27<@petern>(if i bother with music)
15:27<Ch0Hag>I have 8mbgmsfx.sf2
15:27<Ch0Hag>I think it came from Creative.
15:31<Ch0Hag>Ah yes!
15:31<Ch0Hag>Cheesy music.
15:31<@petern>Oh yes :)
15:31<Ch0Hag>I can't count the number of hours I spent listening to this all those years ago.
15:31<Ch0Hag>Never with a bloody synth though.
15:31<Ch0Hag>$rich_friend was the one who had that.
15:32<Ch0Hag>Well - $spoilt_friend_with_rich_father
15:33<Ch0Hag>Oh. How can you change all company livery in one goe?
15:33<@petern>poo, can't remember my wiki login :(
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15:33<Alberth>same as FS and translation manager
15:34<@petern>i don't remember them either :D
15:34<Alberth>Fly Spray our bug tracker
15:34<@petern>never had a translation account
15:34<Alberth>neither have I, but mentioned it for completeness :)
15:35<@petern>and i login to svn via key
15:35<Alberth>that's also another account afaik
15:35<@petern>it's merged
15:36<Alberth>oh, I also use a key :)
15:36<@petern>hmm, okay
15:36<@petern>i can log into FS
15:36<@petern>but not wiki
15:36<+glx>you merged your accounts?
15:36<@petern>ages ago
15:37<+glx>then it should use the same login/password as wiki
15:37<@petern>but it doesn't :)
15:37<+glx>ask TrueBrain then
15:39<@petern>cba, did it anonymously
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15:40<@petern>hmm, fish is a bit unbalanced
15:41<TrueBrain>User: peter1138; developer. Authorized to BaNaNaS, Translator (read-only), Frontpage, Bugs, Wiki and PAM-Web. Status: active
15:41<@petern>or not
15:41<planetmaker>I guess andy will be greatful for suggestions on how to balance it better :-)
15:42<@petern>planetmaker, is the MPS Oil Tanker part of it?
15:43<Eddi|zuHause>that sounds more like an original ship
15:43<@petern>and it looks different... cos i'm using opengfx
15:43<@petern>but why is it there
15:44<@petern>maybe cos it's unfinished...
15:44<planetmaker>petern: I have no idea actually. MPS oil tanker sounds original
15:44<Eddi|zuHause>grf conflict or grf bug?
15:45<@petern>MPS Passenger ferry and yate cargo ship are also available
15:48<asilv>maybe fish uses ids above the defaul ones so the originals are not replaced?
15:48<planetmaker>MPS is original
15:49<planetmaker>or there's an activated engine pool and old ships not deactivated
15:50<planetmaker>hm... now the ships don't scratch the edge of the build window anymore, but they cover their name text instead...
15:52*SpComb just nuked his trg1r.grf
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16:18<planetmaker>it's not needed anyway ;-)
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17:06<@Belugas>zhome for ze veekend
17:06<@Belugas>you hou!
17:06<@Belugas>bye bye
17:07<PeterT>bye Belugas
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17:26<Terkhen>good night
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17:27<PeterT>He never stays long enough for me to say good night...
17:28<Ch0Hag>Steam trains are slow.
17:33<PeterT>Not slow enough
17:34<Ch0Hag>No wonder the 40s sucked.
17:34<Ch0Hag>Well that and the war.
17:41<Fast2>Which parameters take part in the calculation of the money you get for delievering cargo?
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17:48<Fast2>Oh, sorry
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18:02<Eddi|zuHause> <Ch0Hag> No wonder the 40s sucked. <-- steam engines actually made up to 200km/h in that era...
18:03<Ch0Hag>Yeah I was being facetious.
18:03<Ch0Hag>And that's about all we manage now.
18:03<fjb>And electric engines even more.
18:05<Eddi|zuHause>lots of speed records from that time are actually still not broken by now
18:06<Eddi|zuHause>(the "fastest scheduled train from X to Y" kind)
18:07<_ln>i'm shocked, blu-rays are being released as not region locked by big studios in the US.
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18:22<SpComb>boosnap, cargodist crashes for me as soon as I try and build a station and select a platform count
18:23<SpComb>is building stations an untested feature? :(
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18:38<SpComb>ah, presumeably fixed later on in svn trunk
18:45<PeterT>SpComb: Are you using my binary?
18:47<SpComb>no, compiled myself using the 'current' patch
18:47<SpComb>but it svn up'd just fine with only a conflict on the saveload version
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18:57<Eddi|zuHause>afair there was a commit about "platform numbers start with 1"
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19:33<PeterT>What ever happened to DarkVater?
19:34<Sacro>!seen Dark*
19:34<Sacro>@seen Dark*
19:34<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Dark* could be DarkTakua (4 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 31 minutes, and 5 seconds ago), Darkvater (23 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 53 minutes, and 22 seconds ago), DarkSSHClone (36 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 14 minutes, and 41 seconds ago), DarkED (40 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 43 minutes, and 22 seconds ago), darks (46 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 33 minutes, and 10 seconds ago), dark (47 weeks, 3 days, 9 hours, 7 minutes, and 43 (1 more message)
19:35<@DorpsGek>Sacro: seconds ago), darkkid (2 years, 13 weeks, 3 days, 8 hours, 24 minutes, and 45 seconds ago), or Darkebie (2 years, 20 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 5 seconds ago)
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19:35<Sacro>DarkVater and DarkSSH are him
19:35<Sacro>@seen Bjarni
19:35<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 11 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 35 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <Bjarni> Belugas: there is no reason to write to PeterT. We already know he is unable to read anyway :P
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20:05<_ln>@seen Tron
20:05<@DorpsGek>_ln: Tron was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 41 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 42 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <Tron> gcc 2.95 is plain obsolete (even has several bugs in its C++ part). further at the very least the justifications given are extremely oversimplified.
20:07<PeterT>@seen DarkVater
20:07<@DorpsGek>PeterT: DarkVater was last seen in #openttd 23 weeks, 2 days, 5 hours, 25 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <Darkvater> I'm liking this
20:07<PeterT>@seen DarkSSH
20:07<@DorpsGek>PeterT: I have not seen DarkSSH.
20:08<_ln>DorpsGek: even i have, why haven't you?
20:17<SpComb>what's the setting to control if trains ever try and turn around while waiting at signals?
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20:20<PeterT>wait_for_pbs_path or something like that, SpComb
20:20<PeterT>check @ list_patches
20:21<fjb>wait_oneway_signal = 255
20:21<fjb>wait_twoway_signal = 255
20:23<fjb>wait_for_pbs_path = 255
20:23<fjb>At least I hope so.
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21:53<SpComb>whee, this is fun
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22:16<PeterT>spcomb: yeah...
22:17<SpComb>amazing how you can spend 15 years tweaking your passenger network, and then realize that it's only got a dozen stations
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22:26<SpComb>playing trunk@r18309 + cargodist@18284
22:26<SpComb>, and it's been fine so far
22:27<SpComb>one thing I'm missing is the more deeply nested tree in the station view
22:27<PeterT>what do you mean?
22:27<PeterT>You merged trunk 18309?
22:27<SpComb>as it is, you only see one level of next-hop
22:27<PeterT>with cargodist?
22:28<SpComb>I patched trunk@r18284, and then updated to r18309 (newest at that point)
22:28<SpComb>the merge was one line
22:29<SpComb>r18284 would crash when you tried to build a station (catchment area for station of zero width or somesuch)
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23:21<mickster04>does anyone know how to get 0.7.4RC1 with aptitude?
23:26<PeterT>What is aptitude?
23:33<mickster04>ermm for linux
23:33<mickster04>i need to use a command line to get the newest version
23:36<mickster04>i think i can work around it
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23:51<mickster04>man i am getting this server thingLD
23:51<mickster04>command line is awesomeD
23:52<mickster04>for future reference, wget the package, then install that, for ubuntu 9.1 you will need libicu38... so find that an wget it, i had it already downloaded...
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