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00:29<Nite_Owl>Hello again
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01:44<Nite_Owl>Hello again
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02:30<Terkhen>good morning
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03:19-!-mode/#openttd [+q *!*Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsda1.ma.comcast.net] by peter1138
03:25<Eddi|zuHause>it's funny how Konversation always misinterprets the +q flag ;)
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03:29<Xaroth>that's because +q isn't really any standard :)
03:30<Xaroth>it's part of extensions upon extensions, and every client interprets those extensions separately
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03:59<MiHaMiX>morning everyone! :)
04:00<MiHaMiX>Rubidium: please PM me when you have a chance! Cheers
04:03<Eddi|zuHause>welcome
04:12<planetmaker>moin
04:16<roboboy>hello
04:21<@peter1138>MiHaMiX!
04:23<MiHaMiX>hi peter1138!
04:23<MiHaMiX>peter1138: is it snowy at your place as well? :)
04:23<@peter1138>a little
04:24<MiHaMiX>we have ~8-10 inches here... :)
04:24<@peter1138>we had 4 or 5, but it's disappearing now
04:24<MiHaMiX>it's melting here as well
04:25<MiHaMiX>what's your whereabouts?
04:26<@peter1138>lower-central uk
04:26<MiHaMiX>peter1138: hmm... i'm in southern uk (hampshire)
04:26<@peter1138>ah, my home county
04:29<MiHaMiX>bbl, work
04:35*roboboy wonders weather anyone using MSVC would find a windows batch script to create a bundle useful
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04:41*Rubidium doesn't
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04:44<@peter1138>roboboy, whether ;)
04:44*roboboy wonders wether the weather will be pleasant tomorrow
04:45<@Rubidium>as long as it's dry when I'm outside and there're no flowering plants... definitely
04:58<jpm_>roboboy, where do you live?
04:58-!-jpm_ is now known as jpm
04:58<roboboy>Sydney Australia
05:00<jpm>ok, is there unpleasant weather now?
05:00<jpm>how do you describe it?
05:01<roboboy>it's a little too hot
05:01<SirSquidness>it hit 42C here in central vic a few hours ago
05:01<SirSquidness>=(
05:02<roboboy>I heard you guys had a Catastropic Fire Warning
05:02<jpm>Here in Finland is very pleasant winter weather by now, only -3C... we have had about -20 - -30C for weeks..
05:02<SirSquidness>Tomorrow is the same
05:03<jpm>My cars battery and intercooler got frozen... Now its working again..
05:04<SirSquidness>jpm: trade?
05:04<SirSquidness>cold > hot
05:04<jpm>sure
05:05<jpm>Move here and i'll to your house...
05:06<SirSquidness>Yuo're paying for the relocation!
05:08<jpm>Hmm... Maybe we have to do it virtually, i'll play desert and you arctic next time in ottd...
05:10<SirSquidness>Sounds like a plan.
05:10<SirSquidness>since I've almost finished my current game (trying to get a factory to max output)
05:10<SirSquidness>only a few hundred goods/month short
05:18<Terkhen>roboboy: I posted mine at your bundle thread
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05:56<Yexo>hello
06:00<roboboy>hello
06:07<Eddi|zuHause>we have 20cm snow and no sign of melting
06:23<roboboy>Terkhen: I posted my batchfile and I havent had an issue with unix line endings
06:23<roboboy>My script uses only windows/dos commands that also work on X64 systems
06:35*roboboy has only seen real snow once or twice
06:44<thingwath>yay, snow, I was trying to catch a deer, today :D
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06:49<Eddi|zuHause>but your car wasn't fast enough? :p
06:50<thingwath>what car?
06:50<thingwath>on foot! of course :)
07:02<Terkhen>roboboy: you will get an incorrect bundle if the bundle directory is not empty, you should erase everything at the folder
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07:03<Terkhen>also, you could redirect xcopy output (both stdout and stderr) to a temporal file to avoid showing its input
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07:05<Eddi|zuHause>Terkhen: on windows, you can redirect to "nul:" if you want to hide stuff
07:06<Eddi|zuHause>it's the equivalent of /dev/null on unix
07:06<Terkhen>thanks, good to know
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07:20*roboboy wonders where the cargodist git repository is
07:21<roboboy>ok
07:21<roboboy>or turning echo off
07:22<roboboy>but I might send it to null depending what others think
07:22<Ammler>roboboy: should be linked from the topic
07:22<roboboy>ok
07:22<Terkhen>some output is not eliminated by turning echo off
07:22<Ammler>(or wiki)(
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07:28<roboboy>!deop
07:28<roboboy>bah
07:28<roboboy>wrong channel
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07:37<Terkhen>I have finished my version
07:38<Eddi|zuHause>i have finished my lunch
07:38<Eddi|zuHause>and the only reason i should go out today was canceled
07:39<Terkhen>for the first time in years, we had a lot of snow yesterday... but then it rained last night and all of the snow was cleared :/
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07:49<SpComb>Page 67 of 67 [ 1337 posts ]
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07:58<Terkhen>time to start learning mercurial
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08:01<Terkhen>it's as easy as it seems? http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/QuickStart
08:01<SpComb>of course, it's written in Python after all!
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08:03<Terkhen>I see... I'll try it when I get to my linux machine
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08:04<Terkhen>I have to branch the improved acceleration for road vehicles patch, it's too big already
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08:05*SpComb wonders if git can pull from hg repos
08:06<Eddi|zuHause>probably not out of the box...
08:08<SpComb>IS2 is a hg repo, cargodist is a git repo :(
08:09<Noldo>and you want both?
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08:09<SpComb>naturally
08:09*roboboy wouldn't mind joining SpComb's server
08:09<SpComb>isn't online
08:09<roboboy>ok
08:10<Ammler>SpComb at least the opposite shouldn't be a issue (convert a git to hg)
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08:11<Ammler>me wonders, how such a complicated vcs could get that famous...
08:12<SpComb>Ammler: convert yes, but continuous pull?
08:13<Ammler>SpComb, I would say, should be possible :-)
08:13<Ammler>hg can everything what git can, just in a easier manner... ;-)
08:13<SpComb>pfft
08:13<SpComb>cherry-pick and rebase
08:14<Ammler>well, I am no expert, just :-P
08:14<SpComb>then don't claim it can do everything :(
08:15<Terkhen>I just cloned trunk, hg is faster than git
08:15<SpComb>the most common issue I've encountered so far is having one branch based on some version of trunk, and another branch based on some other version, and then trying to get a diff between those two branches
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09:12<@Belugas>hello
09:12<@Rubidium>aloha eastern Cananda
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09:13<Eddi|zuHause>someone from western canada told me they had no snow, how is that over at your place?
09:13<@Belugas>plenty, but none taht have fallen recently
09:13<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: you should ask the company that clears the snow for Belugas :)
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09:13<@Belugas>but... it's quite bareble ;)
09:43<@Rubidium>now some of the non-Chuck Norris Chuck :)
09:43<@Rubidium>hmm... glx' bot isn't kicking anymore on Chuck Norris :(
09:44<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not entirely sure he'll make it today...
09:44<@Rubidium>or was it doing that just a piece of imagination
09:44<Eddi|zuHause>i don't remember a kick on Chuck Norris
09:52<@Belugas>ho shit... forgot my headphones at home :(
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09:52<+glx>!whoami
09:52<+glx>@whoami
09:52<@DorpsGek>glx: glx
09:52<+glx>strange it knows me
09:53*glx checks the script
09:53<+glx>oh I removed the kick indeed :)
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10:18<Riverthief>wewt
10:18<Riverthief>Love this game
10:18<Riverthief>DCC SEND C:\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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10:19<Eddi|zuHause>öhh...
10:30<@Belugas>mmmh... so... i'm not as a bitch, as it seems :)
10:39<roboboy>!logs
10:41<SpComb>curious autokill
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10:43<SpComb>Belugas: wrong channel?
10:43*roboboy is confused
10:43<@Rubidium>SpComb: say like !download without something in front of it
10:43<SpComb>I presume this !logs is the #openttd logs
10:44*Belugas is sorry... overreacted...
10:44<roboboy>!download
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10:45<roboboy>hm
10:45<Eddi|zuHause>roboboy has something with wrong channels today ;)
10:45<__ln>!chucknorris
10:46<roboboy>!hm
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11:18<SpComb>hrmph, annoying how the map gen generates big mountains, but fails to put any towns on them
11:24<Hirundo>How many of the towns near you are on top of a mountain?
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11:26<planetmaker>define "mountain" ;-)
11:26<planetmaker>Some people consider mole hills mountains :-P
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11:31<SpComb>http://projects.qmsk.net/pngtile/screenshots/20091218/1987-giant.png#7619:5683:-1 <-- I'm referring to this kind of layout
11:33<SpComb>what setting for Variety Distribution corresponds to the default?
11:35<@peter1138>"None"
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11:36<SpComb>the difference between "None" and "Very Low" is surprisingly big
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11:36<@peter1138>None = algorithm not run at all
11:37<@peter1138>Very Low doesn't mean "on a bit"
11:39<SpComb>yeah, didn't realize that at first
11:44<SpComb>with the arctic/alpine climate, the variety distribution fails to produce coherent mountains
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11:45<SpComb>or, well, not entirely accurate
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11:46<SpComb>something in between Mountanious/Medium and Flat/None would be nice
11:47<SpComb>whereby the aim is to have distinct mountains and valleys
11:50<SpComb>hmm... I assume the terragen behaves different for the different climates, does the variety distribution take that into account?
11:54<@peter1138>basically it's luck
11:54<@peter1138>you can end up with all mountain or all flat
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11:55<Wolf01>yyyyyhellowww
11:55<Wolf01>good new year to everybody!
11:55<@peter1138>possibly the probabilities could be weighted
11:58<SpComb>I guess I'll just stick to Flat/None
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12:17<@peter1138>SpComb, let me know when you've finished the physically modelled tectonic movement and erosion landscape generator ;)
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12:22<SpComb>peter1138: I'll go for the DWIM interface first
12:22<@peter1138>DWIM?
12:22<SpComb>lrn2wp
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12:30<ashb>DWIM = Does/Do What I Mean
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12:31<Roelmb>Guys can anyone tell me where I need to change the revision after modifying something
12:31<frosch123>the revision is changed automatically. or do you want to fake it?
12:33<@peter1138>i see
12:34<SpComb>but until then, I shall say "boo" to variety distribution and play without
12:34<SpComb>a Flat alpine map has enough variation already
12:35<@peter1138>not many mountains on flat
12:37<SpComb>there's plenty
12:38<SpComb>http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/screenshots/alpine-flat-none.png
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12:39<Roelmb>automaticly change? i get a norev when i run my build
12:39<SpComb>Roelmb: build in a VCS checkout
12:40<Roelmb>is svn also good ?
12:40<@peter1138>SpComb, ah, again, it's just luck
12:40<@peter1138>sometimes i do get a very flat map...
12:41<Roelmb>and anyway is their a way to change the revision name to something with text
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12:43<Roelmb>And is it posible to change some code so you CAN build 2 airports next to each other
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12:49<Eoin>you can do that anyway, no?
12:49<Eoin>im sure its in advanced settings
12:49<Roelmb>euhm not that i know
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12:55<Coco-Banana-Man>Tried it with ctrl-key?
12:56<Wolf01>but they can't be the same airport anyways
12:57<Roelmb>I wan't that you can build 2 airports next to each other in 1 station so you should have a bigger amount of planes flying on it
12:58<Wolf01>no, you can't do that
12:58<Roelmb>not even by changing code?
12:58<Wolf01>not without changing a lot of code
12:59<Roelmb>damn and can anyone make a somewhat good looking tutorial on how to implent a new airport
13:00<Roelmb>or is that also changing a hug amount of code
13:06<Timmaexx>Do you have downloaded the Airports-Branch?
13:07<Roelmb>euhm no
13:07<Roelmb>but its not finishad yet
13:07<Eoin>it works, though
13:08<Roelmb>good enough for multiplayer?
13:08<Timmaexx>There are no Servers
13:08<Eoin>i would say so
13:08<Eoin>but no servers
13:08<Roelmb>We can host one but we only need to now if its stable so we can use it on our clan servers
13:10<Timmaexx>Then set one and try it ;)
13:10<Roelmb>euhm i get an error while making a bundle its in findversion.sh
13:10<Roelmb>on luine 76-80-81-82 any help?
13:15<planetmaker>moin
13:15<fjb>Moin planetmaker
13:15<Roelmb>?
13:15<Eoin>Roelmb: theres a binary for it
13:15<Roelmb>oh where
13:16<Eoin>1 sec
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13:16<Eoin>http://www.openttd.org/en/download-airports
13:16<Eoin>:)
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13:17<Roelmb>and for the findversion.sh error anyone a clue
13:17<Timmaexx>You need some NewGRF too!
13:17<planetmaker>:-O
13:17<planetmaker>sounds like some fun link, Eoin :-)
13:19<Eoin>the newgrf link is..
13:20<Eoin>http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=122556
13:24<rane>what's airports?
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13:27<planetmaker>a place where cars are parked for over-priced rates
13:27<Eoin>rane: what he said ^^
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13:28<rane>right…
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13:30<Eoin>rane: newgrf airports
13:30<Eoin>check the development forum
13:30<planetmaker>^^what he said :-)
13:31<planetmaker>(is that now a circular reference?)
13:31<Eoin>yup
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13:35<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18779 /trunk/src/ (12 files): -Codechange: merge the command callbacks of the primary vehicles; they are identical
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13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: translators * r18780 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt french.txt traditional_chinese.txt):
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 1 changes by josesun
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: dutch - 60 changes by Hirundo
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx
13:46<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18781 /trunk/src/ (25 files in 3 dirs):
13:46<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Codechange: pass the CommandCost to the callback instead of whether it succeeded or not.
13:46<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Fix: AIs did update their last cost incorrectly in network games if the cost of the DC_EXEC phase differed from the ~DC_EXEC phase.
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14:19<SpComb>web down?
14:20<@Rubidium>kinda-ish... nginx is borking
14:20<@Rubidium>how to kill a process that doesn't get killed by -9?
14:20<Terkhen>fire?
14:20<SpComb>reboot
14:23<@Rubidium>there goes the nightly :)
14:24<@Rubidium>how nice reboot kinda fails too
14:25<SpComb>then sysrq
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14:26*Terkhen is delighted with Mercurial
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14:27<frosch123>one minute to reboot :o
14:27<frosch123>oh, it did not had to shootdown, right?
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14:29<Terkhen>I don't know how to create a diff file with the changes between two branches, though
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14:30<SpComb>Terkhen: probably `hg diff -r branch1 -r branch2`
14:32<Terkhen>abort: unknown revision 'trunk.hg'
14:32<Terkhen>maybe I did not create the branch correctly
14:33<SpComb>oh, two separate clones?
14:33<Terkhen>I just noticed a branch command
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14:46<frosch123>hmm, don't you just merge them, and take the diff before commit or so?
14:46<frosch123>but, i harly experiences with hg either :)
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14:52<planetmaker>Terkhen: can't you just use the normal diff also between branches? hg diff -rXXX:YYY
14:54<Terkhen>I'm currently trying to understand how branching works: I don't know if I should branch trunk directly or create a clone of trunk and then branch that local copy
14:55<planetmaker>well, if you clone trunk, there's no point to branch that then.
14:55<planetmaker>A branch makes only sense in the way that you create it in the trunk repo
14:56<planetmaker>If you clone it, you can just start committing there ... and still merge with trunk by using hg pull -u and then merging the heads
14:56<Ammler>branching repo does more make sense to make a kind of release branch, imo
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14:57<planetmaker>anyway... bbl
14:58<Terkhen>thanks, let's try
14:59<planetmaker>http://hgbook.red-bean.com/read/managing-releases-and-branchy-development.html <-- just to make sure you know it ;-)
15:00<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18782 /trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: move the content of callback_table.cpp to network_command.cpp; it's only ever used there.
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15:04<Terkhen>thanks, I was looking for something like it :)
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15:15<beruic>Hello
15:16<beruic>Are there any danish people present?
15:16<beruic>Er der nogle danskere til stede?
15:16<PeterT>English only please
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15:17<Chrill>Well, even though some of us will understand Danish (jag är svensk), English is preferred indeed
15:18*SpComb yawns and waits for VS2008 to compile openttd
15:19<beruic>I know, but I need to announce a new homepage for danish OpenTTD people. The page will especially work with the danish translation of OpenTTD and events in Denmark.
15:20<PeterT>SpComb: lol....msvc
15:20<SpComb>it's dog slow in vbox :(
15:20<PeterT>ahh
15:22<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18783 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: make CheckCompanyHasMoney set an error on the CommandCost it tests when you don't have enough money instead of setting a global variable.
15:23<beruic>No danes at all? :(
15:23<@Belugas>beruic, you'll have much chance in the forums
15:24<@Belugas>general discussion. i guess
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15:24<SpComb>bah, and then vbox's networking crashes again
15:24<@Belugas>the only danish i remember is bjarni
15:24<beruic>thx, I'll keep a look out for him.
15:25<beruic>Belugas: I'll try...
15:25<PeterT>beruic: He hasn't been seen for a while
15:25<PeterT>a very long while
15:25<beruic>:(
15:26<@Belugas>indeed not
15:26<beruic>Belugas: Did you mean the General Transport Tycoon or General OpenTTD?
15:27<PeterT>General OpenTTD
15:27<PeterT>we are in #openttd
15:28<@Belugas>indeed
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15:32<Terkhen>I understand now, but I still need a way of getting a diff file between my clone and trunk... using hg diff -rXXX:YYY is only useful if my changes are the tip of the repository
15:32<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18784 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make NetworkSend_Command accept a company instead of using _local_company to pass that information, with the whole mess when you don't want the company to be _local_company.
15:32<@Rubidium>find the last revision of trunk and do hg diff -r <last rev of trunk>
15:34<PeterT>Rubidium: I see that you have ops in #openttd.notice
15:34<PeterT>Rubidium: #openttd.notice isn't working
15:34<PeterT>it's 3 revisions behind
15:34<+glx>PeterT: it's not notice, it's DorpsGek :)
15:35<PeterT>;-)
15:35<PeterT>notice == DorpsGek
15:35<PeterT>since he's the only one that "talks"
15:35<+glx>I tried the usual commands but I don't have enough rights
15:36<SpComb>and it doesn't help that virtualbox's networking fails when I'm trying to compile openttd off a samba share...
15:36<Terkhen>thanks, now I'm ready to start :)
15:37<PeterT>beruic: Your site looks nice ;-)
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15:38<PeterT>Although, I would've appreciated it if you would explain the "translators" bit of it
15:38<PeterT>there is the online translator already
15:38<PeterT>why have another translator at your site?
15:39<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18785 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp command_func.h): -Codechange: rewrite/rework DoCommandP in order to simplify it, reduce duplication and remove gotos.
15:41<planetmaker>[21:32] <Terkhen> I understand now, but I still need a way of getting a diff file between my clone and trunk... using hg diff -rXXX:YYY is only useful if my changes are the tip of the repository <-- how so, Terkhen ?
15:41<planetmaker>that form of diff allows you to get the diff between two arbitrary revisions in that repo
15:42<planetmaker>admittedly I haven't much used a hg repo with branches.
15:42<planetmaker>but I don't see that fail :-)
15:42<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18786 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_object.cpp:
15:42<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#3507]: NoAI's custom implementation of DoCommandP has several flaws
15:42<CIA-2>OpenTTD: (not masking of bits, not resetting town authority updates on checks/estimates,
15:42<CIA-2>OpenTTD: ...). Let it use DoCommandPInternal, DoCommandP without showing error messages
15:42<CIA-2>OpenTTD: and such, instead.
15:47<andythenorth>is it possible (code-wise) that vehicles could load while moving (not will it be implemented, just is there any reason why it could never be done)?
15:49<SpComb>everything's possible code-wise!
15:50<frosch123>andythenorth: moving as in moving to next order is very much not possible. moving inside some statemachine i have no idea
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15:51<frosch123>but loading helicopters while in air is fun :)
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15:59<andythenorth>frosch123: I was thinking of trains that load on the move
15:59<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18787 /trunk/src/genworld_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3516]: crash when getting the tooltip of the industry amount in the world generation window
15:59<andythenorth>so technically they are 'in' the station
16:00<frosch123>oh you mean the load-the-wagons-in-the-platform-and-advance-for-the-next-bunch-of-empty-wagons-thingie?
16:00<andythenorth>maybe. Unit freight trains tend to load on the move...
16:01<frosch123>no idea in that case, quite possible that the front has to be on a stationtile currently
16:01<@Rubidium>very unlikely to happen any time soon; there are several things that require, as frosch just said, the front to be on a station tile
16:01<andythenorth>PBS also has built in signals on a station tile?
16:02<andythenorth>moving would screw with that?
16:02<andythenorth>or I've misunderstood path reserving (quite possible)
16:02<frosch123>there are no build-in-signals
16:03<andythenorth>I misunderstood :)
16:03<frosch123>but irrc you can see the station-tile-effect when turning a train while loading, if it is short in keeps loading, if it is too long for the platform it leaves
16:03<Terkhen>planetmaker: because if my changes are in non consecutive commits, the resulting diff file will include trunk revisions
16:03<__ln>what: http://maps.google.fi/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=fi&geocode=&q=hotel&sll=51.474377,-0.435553&sspn=0.002356,0.005525&ie=UTF8&radius=0.12&rq=1&ev=zi&hq=hotel&hnear=&ll=51.474146,-0.435258&spn=0.002356,0.005525&t=h&z=18
16:03<@Rubidium>Terkhen: have you tried what I suggested already?
16:04<Terkhen>yes, it works fine
16:09<SpComb>hmm, MSYS doesn't include dos2unix?
16:10<SpComb>(well, unix2dos)
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16:10<Eddi|zuHause><Rubidium> very unlikely to happen any time soon; there are several things that require, as frosch just said, the front to be on a station tile <-- what happens if the train is too long and you reverse it while loading?
16:10<frosch123>continue reading :p
16:10<Eddi|zuHause>ah
16:11<Eddi|zuHause>sorry ;)
16:11<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, that makes sense, somewhat...
16:12*andythenorth seriously considers a better internet connection :|
16:13<SpComb>MSYS postinstall fails for me with a cygwin allocation error :(
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16:22<planetmaker>Terkhen: ok, I see your problem now :-) hg rebase might help you sometimes, too
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16:23<planetmaker>or you do a hg merge before and then diff
16:25<SpComb>hmm... no Makefile for MSVC builds? :)
16:27*SpComb almost just typed `make` in msys
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16:31<Terkhen>ubuntu seems to be using an old version of hg, it does not have rebase
16:32<Terkhen>I'll update manually later
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16:32<planetmaker>well, you might want to use 1.3 or later
16:35<Terkhen>SpComb: only the "bundle" part of the Makefile
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16:40<Eddi|zuHause>hm... only 12 minutes left...
16:40<SpComb>Terkhen: sad
16:40<SpComb>how are the official win32 releases built?
16:40<planetmaker>by a cross-compiler
16:40<SpComb>hmmk
16:41<SpComb>can't MSVC do a build from the command-line?
16:41<planetmaker>don't ask me :-)
16:41<Eddi|zuHause>i'm fairly sure it can ;)
16:41<SpComb>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/stdcxx-dev/200601.mbox/<4D6A8407B7AC6F4D95B0E55C4E7C4C62036B233E@exmsk.moscow.vdiweb.com>
16:42<@Rubidium>SpComb: it can, but the problem is that you need to call some script first that sets all paths, which isn't at the same location between different versions of MSVC
16:46<SpComb>echo %VS90COMNTOOLS%vsvars32.bat
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16:47<@Rubidium>that doesn't work in all my Windows VMs with MSVC installed
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16:50<SpComb>ugh, it does it in the background? :/
16:56<SpComb>doing `devenv ...sln /build Release` returns right away while it does the build in the background >_<
16:56<SpComb>how am I supposed to know when it's done...
16:57<@Rubidium>for the compile farm it doesn't run in the background
16:57<Terkhen>SpComb: http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1303060&page=24
16:57<@Rubidium>"c:\program files\microsoft visual studio 9.0\common7\ide\devenv" %1 /build "%2|%3"
16:57<@Rubidium>with solution, [release|debug], architecture as 'parameters'
16:58<SpComb>Terkhen: great
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17:07<@Rubidium>hmm... /me wonders whether to report bugs of irclogs.qmsk.net to its tracker
17:07<@Rubidium>given the ~3370 spam issues it might not get noticed
17:10<@Rubidium>SpComb: anyhow, bug is: when changing days it doesn't obey the 'last N lines' rule; if there are less than N lines in the new day it shows N lines of the previous day and all the ones of the current day
17:10<@Belugas>night
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17:11<Terkhen>good night Belugas
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17:37<andythenorth>Any Windows users out there? I need the favour of a cross-browser check on my site....
17:38<Chrill>I'm all Windowsy
17:39<andythenorth>Chrill: IE? (any version >6)
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17:39<Chrill>IE 6 only
17:39<andythenorth>:o
17:39<Chrill>I use Firefox or Chrome
17:39<andythenorth>oh well, tell me just *how* broken this looks in IE 6 then:
17:39<andythenorth>http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industries
17:39<andythenorth>(looks fine in Chrome, FF. should break horribly in IE6)
17:40<Chrill>looks perfectly fine in IE 6
17:40<Chrill>well looks similar in IE6 and latest Firefox, and does not appear odd
17:41<Eddi|zuHause>looks fine in konqueror
17:41<andythenorth>FF should render more rounded corners on the grey boxes.
17:41<Eddi|zuHause>but the images could use a grid to get a sense of scale
17:41<Chrill>no rounded corners in IE6
17:41<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: in good time :)
17:41<Chrill>but it does not look broken
17:41<@Rubidium>looks fine in links too
17:41<Eddi|zuHause>there's only one rounded box that i see
17:42<andythenorth>Usually IE 6 pushes un-ordered lists out of their container element
17:43<andythenorth>does look pretty good in Lynx
17:43<andythenorth>Lynx was the first browser I used. It's now in colour, so bang up to date :)
17:44<andythenorth>Technically it was in colour when I first used it too: blue. *and* white
17:44<andythenorth>Anyway, thanks
17:44<andythenorth>and time for bed
17:44<Terkhen>andythenorth: looks nice in IE8, except no rounded corners
17:44<Terkhen>good night
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17:46<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18788 /trunk/src/command.cpp: -Codechange: replace macro as without macro it's shorter than with the macro.
17:50<SpComb>Rubidium: sounds like a feature to me
17:50<SpComb>or what do you mean with changing days?
17:51<SpComb>if you mean http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/last?count=50 , then it's designed to show you the last n lines - regardless of what day they might be
17:51<SpComb>as for the spam issues - :(
17:52<ashb>w 26
17:52<ashb>erk
17:52<@Rubidium>SpComb: that page shows way more than 50 lines
17:52<SpComb>it does?
17:52<@Rubidium>SpComb: count them
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17:52<Tennel>hi, i get "Unhandled Exception" while browsing the servers on the website.
17:53<SpComb>Rubidium: I don't see "way more" - but it might be a timezone bug, I guess
17:53<@Rubidium>well... now there are already 50 lines in this 'day'
17:53<SpComb>Rubidium: you'd have to give me a screenshot or such
17:53<@peter1138>tomorrow?
17:54<SpComb>but it's not "last N lines today", it's "last N lines"
17:54<Eddi|zuHause>i have a feeling that FIRS industries get larger than their original counterparts
17:54<@Rubidium>SpComb: http://rbijker.net/openttd/last.html <- made a save of the page
17:54<@Rubidium>with 100 lines
17:55<@Rubidium>I count ~160 in there
17:55<SpComb>hmm
17:56<@peter1138>when it includes 'log closed'
17:56<SpComb>http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/last?count=100&timezone_offset=60
17:56<Eddi|zuHause>i actually managed to watch chuck before midnight \o/
17:57<SpComb>it includes 100 lines up to the "log closed" and then another x lines :(
17:58<SpComb>http://hg.qmsk.net/qmsk.irclogs/file/35c4c56f1376/qmsk/irclogs/log_source.py#l546 <-- oops, missing a `count -= len(lines)` there :P
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17:58<Tennel>is something wrong with the serverlist on openttd.org?
17:59<@peter1138>no
18:00<Tennel>if i click on some servers i get "Unhandled Exception" and a friend too
18:02<@peter1138>oh
18:02<@peter1138>well, the server *list* is fine
18:02<@peter1138>you didn't say server info ;p
18:02<Tennel>oh sry
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18:07<SpComb>http://pastebin.com/m10e42553 <-- compile + bundle + zip
18:08<SpComb>(build-msvc90.bat: http://pastebin.com/m57feb43a , build.bat: http://pastebin.com/m5e563c95 )
18:09<Eoin>what does that do sparr
18:09<Eoin>err SpComb*
18:09<SpComb>Eoin: compiles, bundles and zips
18:09<PeterT>"compile + bundle + zip"
18:10<SpComb>should integrate "check out version of trunk, apply patch, copy patch to output" as well
18:10<Eoin>so all i do is run it
18:10<Eoin>is it like, no input as per say
18:11<Chrill>Eoin
18:11<Terkhen>looks nice, but I prefer to not install MinGW
18:11<Chrill>#f1
18:11<SpComb>Terkhen: msys
18:11<SpComb>Terkhen: as in, you can install msys and omit mingw
18:11<SpComb>Terkhen: which you need to do to get the bundle Makefile to work
18:12<Terkhen>hmmm...
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18:13<Nite_Owl>Hello all
18:13<Terkhen>I don't know, I always get crashes and conflicts with my Qt installation
18:13<Terkhen>maybe using msys alone I'll avoid them, it's worth a try
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18:16<Terkhen>not today, though... I'll save the scripts somewhere
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18:19<SpComb>but hmm... `make bundle` fails on a missing unix2dos for me
18:19<SpComb>not fatal, but it'd be nice to clean up
18:19<SpComb>seems msys doesn't include it?
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18:23<PeterT>SpComb: That happens to me too
18:23<PeterT>I've tracked it down once
18:23<Terkhen>I vaguely remember replacing it with a bash script because I couldn't find one
18:23<PeterT>then it bitches about "DLLs"
18:23<PeterT>I get the DLLs
18:23<PeterT>then it hangs for minutes, when it should take ~seconds
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18:27<SpComb>note the awesome `cmd "/C build-msvc90.bat ${ottd_sln} ${ottd_config} EOL"` hack
18:27<SpComb>couldn't figure out how else to run a .bat file from a .sh script :(
18:27<Xaroth>heh
18:27<SpComb>plus it had to be in "" or cmd.exe would ignore it, and for whatever reason it didn't strip the trailing "
18:28<SpComb>bizarre...
18:29<PeterT>is there a way to change the directory Git bash starts from?
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18:29<PeterT>currently it starts from C:\Users\Peter
18:29<PeterT>but I want it to start from C:
18:29<ashb>probably - try right clicking on the shortcut
18:30<PeterT>yes?
18:30<ashb>Workign dir?
18:30<ashb>2nd of hte two edit boxes ISTR
18:30<PeterT>hmm?
18:30<ashb>oh properties tab
18:30<PeterT>Start in: "%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%"
18:30<PeterT>that's what it has
18:30<ashb>yeah that'l be C:\Users\...
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18:31<ashb>change that to where you want
18:31<PeterT>thanks, ashb :-)
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18:34<SpComb>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=46746 <-- iPod Touch port?
18:36<Xaroth>I'd be impressed with an android port.
18:36<Xaroth>heck, i'd play it!
18:36<SpComb>pay it?
18:36<Xaroth>play
18:36<PeterT>hmm, i've got to take a look at that app
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18:49<Wolf01>'night
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18:49<Terkhen>good night
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18:53<PeterT>if I checkout fonsinchen's cargodist, patch that, how do I make a diff file against trunk?
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18:53<sparrL>is there a way to correctly implement this with path or presignals? http://wiki.openttd.org/Railway_station#Escape_depot
18:54<PeterT>sparrL: it gives this link on the talk page :-P
18:54<PeterT>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=633925#p633925
18:54<ashb>PeterT: a diff against trunk or a diff against the latest cargodist?
18:54<PeterT>against trunk
18:55<ashb>so that would hten include all the cargodist changes?
18:55<PeterT>so it's cargodist + my patches = diff file
18:55<ashb>k
18:55<ashb>git branch -a
18:55<PeterT>ashb: Yes, that it
18:55<ashb>i think there is a named branch that is the svn master
18:55<Nite_Owl>sparrl: that image already shows it with presignals ??
18:56<sparrL>Nite_Owl: in a way that doesn't seem to work
18:56<sparrL>Nite_Owl: as you note the image comments say "with the wrong signals"
18:56<PeterT>ashb: git branch -a, that's it?
18:56<ashb>no thats to list it
18:56<ashb>then its git diff origin/something > foo.patch
18:57<ashb>i just dont know the value of something there
18:57<ashb>if its not obvious what it is give me a link to the cargodist git repo and i'll work it out
18:57<Nite_Owl>you are correct - my bad - I only looked at the image not the text
18:58<SpComb>origin/master
18:58<ashb>i'm not sure it is master in this case
18:58<SpComb>oh, from the cargodist repo
18:58<ashb>yeah
18:58<SpComb>looks like its master
18:59<PeterT>ashb: http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/openttd.git/
18:59<ashb>so the last time it was synced against svn was 18750
19:00<PeterT>yes
19:00<PeterT>so the patch will be against r18750
19:00<ashb>you probably want git diff fec1c1d92b0b27733e464f50d450db244c3da6a1 > cargodist+x.diff
19:00<PeterT>where did you find that out, tho?
19:00<ashb>http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/cgi-bin/gitweb.pl?p=openttd.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master
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19:01<PeterT>oh
19:01<ashb>I'm not sure if those comits by Ulf Hermann are part of cargodist or not
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19:02<ashb>can try with origin/master instead of the sha1 and see if it works
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19:04<PeterT>ok, ashb, so far I've done: git clone http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/openttd.git
19:04<PeterT>git checkout origin/cargodist
19:04<PeterT>now, git branch -a
19:04<PeterT>?
19:04<ashb>nah that just lists branch names
19:04<ashb>so now apply the pathc you want
19:04<PeterT>ok
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19:04<ashb>then commit it
19:06<PeterT>I can't commit it
19:06<ashb>yes you can
19:06<PeterT>I don't have write access to fonso's repo
19:06<Nite_Owl>Need to feed - later all
19:06<ashb>thats what igt is all about
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19:07<ashb>with git (our hg) you always commit locally, then push changes out
19:07<ashb>its only the pushing changes out part that needs write access ot the remote repo
19:08<PeterT>this diff, will it make a diff for files created during patching proccess?
19:08<PeterT>not all of them, just some
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19:08<ashb>it will include all changes that have been commited (which is why you need to commit your change onces you've made it. I assume its IS?)
19:09<PeterT>yes :-)
19:10<PeterT>I'm worried though
19:10<PeterT>because there are files other than the IS files created
19:10<ashb>what do you mean?
19:10<PeterT>such as ".rej" and ".orig"
19:10<ashb>that means patching failed
19:10<PeterT>I've fixed it already...
19:10<ashb>they get left over
19:10<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18789 /trunk/src/gfx.cpp: -Codechange: when we're not in a network game we don't even need to consider undrawing the chat messages
19:10<PeterT>should I delete them?
19:10<ashb>just remove them
19:10<ashb>yeah
19:11<PeterT>ok... done
19:11<ashb>and commited?
19:11<ashb>git status
19:11<ashb>shows what?
19:11<PeterT># Not currently on any branch.
19:11<PeterT>nothing to commit (working directory clean)
19:12<ashb>right. try the diff then
19:12<ashb>git diff ... > ...
19:12<PeterT>what is ...?
19:12<PeterT>the first one
19:12<ashb>yeah
19:12<PeterT>what is it?
19:12<ashb>either a sha or origin/master
19:12<ashb>try origin/master first
19:13<ashb>(the git diff should always work, you'll have to try patching a checked out version of subversion to see if it actually works
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19:14<PeterT>"warning: LF will be replaced by CRLF in .../....cpp"
19:14<ashb>thats probably fine
19:14<PeterT>i've f'd up
19:14<PeterT>I had .orig files somewhere
19:15<PeterT>apparently it doesn't count those
19:15<PeterT>:-)
19:17<PeterT>ok, git commit window is strange
19:17<PeterT>it's color ful
19:17<PeterT>and I don't know how to actually COMMIT
19:18<ashb>its an editor of one form or another
19:18<ashb>just save then close the vile
19:18<ashb>*file
19:18<ashb>if there is no hint what editor it is then its probably vim
19:18<PeterT>yes
19:18<ashb>know how to drive vim?
19:18<PeterT>nope
19:18<PeterT>sorry
19:19<ashb>hit i key to go into insert mode
19:19<ashb>write your message
19:19<ashb>hit escape
19:19<PeterT>yes
19:19<ashb>then type :x followed by enter
19:19<PeterT>yes!
19:21<PeterT>thanks a bunch
19:21<ashb>np
19:22<PeterT>are you some git god or something?
19:22<PeterT>I bow in thy presence
19:22<ashb>that was the easy parts - git has some scary scary features when it comes to re-writing history
19:22<ashb>i dont get those fully yet
19:23<PeterT>ashb: does "--- /dev/null" mean that there was no previous file, but "+++ b/src/infrastructure.cpp" adds it?
19:23<ashb>yeah
19:24<PeterT>thanks
19:24<PeterT>you want a copy of the patch, or you want to merge it yourself?
19:25<ashb>i just idle here for fun :)
19:25<ashb>haven't actually played ottd in 6mo
19:25<PeterT>lol
19:27<PeterT>you haven't played since the 0.7.0 ages?!
19:28<ashb>0.7.2 or there abouts
19:29<PeterT>get 1.0.0-beta2
19:29<PeterT>I commend the, git-lord
19:29<ashb>has much changed in it? :)
19:29<PeterT>define "much"
19:30<ashb>any cool new features? :D
19:30<PeterT>http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTD_1.0.0#Major_new_features
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19:34<PeterT>ashb: What does the file "make_diffs" do?
19:34<PeterT>other than "make_diffs"
19:34<ashb>no idea
19:36<PeterT>why does the "generating code" part of msvc take the longest? *sigh*
19:37<PeterT>git-god/ashb: c:\MSYS\1.0\home\Peter\gitdist\src\thread\thread_win32.cpp : fatal error C1083: Cannot open source file: 'c:\msys\1.0\home\peter\gitdist\src\thread\thread_win32.cpp': No such file or directory
19:37<PeterT>3>LINK : fatal error LNK1257: code generation failed
19:37<PeterT>any idea why it's missing?
19:38<ashb>none, sorry
19:38<ashb>i dont know much about windows, and even less about msvc
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19:40<PeterT>grr
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21:11<@DorpsGek>PeterT: I have not seen askb.
21:11<PeterT>@seen ashb
21:11<@DorpsGek>PeterT: ashb was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 32 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <ashb> i dont know much about windows, and even less about msvc
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22:52<@DorpsGek>PeterT: I have not seen Pikka.
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22:52<@DorpsGek>PeterT: I have not seen PikkaBird.
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23:21<Eddi|zuHause>hm, does DorpsGek forget all stuff on reboot?
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