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03:43<Terkhen>good morning
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03:45<Yexo>good morning Terkhen
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04:12<Sevalecan>good afterneve
04:12<Sevalecan>I mean
04:13<Sevalecan>good afternevnorning
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06:25<TrueBrain>nice ... lenny -> squeeze update, at console login prompt, 'root' -> permission denied ..
06:27<@Rubidium>finally... logging in as root 'out-of-the-box' has been disabled :)
06:27<TrueBrain>and any other account, for that matter
06:28<TrueBrain>so it is absolutely secure! NOBODY can get in
06:28<@Rubidium>ooh... PAM's broken?
06:28<TrueBrain>how should I know?
06:28<@Rubidium>well, file a bug report about your upgrade having gone horribly wrong
06:29<TrueBrain>it was a clean lenny, to a clean squeeze .. the only thing I did was reboot, because udev refused to upgrade without a new kernel .. and then to notice there isn't a new kernel :p
06:29<@Rubidium>ah yes... that issue
06:29<@Rubidium>had that too a few days ago
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06:30<TrueBrain>so, how did you solve it?
06:30<@peter1138>squeeze is out?
06:30<@Rubidium>needed some... uhm... convincing so it installed the new udev, so I could install linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-i686
06:30<TrueBrain>how? :)
06:31<@Rubidium>but that I had done before rebooting
06:31<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: apt-get -f install, that gives an error that udev couldn't be upgraded and it lists that you need to make a file to force the upgrading anyway
06:32<@Rubidium>so make that file, force the upgrading of udev, install linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-i686 (or whatever other 2.6.32 kernel you need) and only then reboot
06:32<TrueBrain>k, tnx; it is really stupid they haven't fixed that ...
06:33<@Rubidium>peter1138: no, squeeze ain't out; it'll freeze in March though
06:33<@peter1138>ah
06:33<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: squeeze, i.e. testing, is lagging behind unstable, so it might already be fixed in unstable but the fix hasn't migrated to testing yet
06:33<TrueBrain>so when I install a new system, I tend to do Squeeze, to avoid updates later on
06:34<TrueBrain>Rubidium: somehow I doubt that ;)
06:35<@Rubidium>basically: when critical bugs are found in unstable migration to squeeze is delayed till fixed, however if the bug already migrated to testing you'll have to wait till the fix migrates (and sometimes these migrations depend on other bugs being fixed first etc)
06:35<@Rubidium>which is why testing might not be that good when not in freeze; especially the two months before the freeze as everyone scrambles to get their stuff in
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06:36<TrueBrain>this problem exists for a long time now :)
06:37<@Rubidium>has anyone filed a bug report about it?
06:37<TrueBrain>dunno
06:37<TrueBrain>dont care
06:40<TrueBrain>bah, made 'dash' the default shell again .. always wrong :(
06:44<TrueBrain>Rubidium: k, tnx, that seems to work :)
06:45*SpComb^ wonders if squeeze will have python2.6
06:46<@Rubidium>SpComb^: good question; is it in now? If not I doubt it
06:47<SpComb^>I think the python maintainer finally got off his lazy ass and pushed in something early this month
06:48<@Rubidium>seems so
06:48<@Rubidium>although only in unstable (and 3.1 is (only) in unstable too)
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07:09<TrueBrain>lol, default font and sizes for XFCE4 are so small, things don't fit ....
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07:34<DaleStan><Yexo_> the ttdpatch wiki under Action0 lists feature 0E as signals. Is there any action for which feature 0E is valid? <-- Variational 2 and 3. (And 5, for a slightly inaccurate definition of "feature".)
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07:41<CIA-2>OpenTTD: truebrain * r18914 /extra/website/general/utils/version.py: [Website] -Fix: apply the mirror changes to the internals of our website too
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08:43<Goulp>roboboy: WCW patch has been updated on trunk
08:57<roboboy>thanx
08:59<roboboy>where can I find it?
08:59<roboboy>I should go to bed soon
09:00<Goulp>on tt-forum - openttd - dev section
09:00<Goulp>Watch Company Gui Patch
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09:07<roboboy>downloading
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09:16<roboboy>gnight
09:19<@Belugas>hello
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10:20<CIA-2>OpenTTD: glx * r18915 /trunk/src/table/station_land.h: -Fix (r18912): use a macro for empty DrawTileSprites elements (and solve missing braces/initializer warnings)
10:22<Eddi|zuHause>*mental note* never try to grab a cat that is in "hunting" mode...
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10:23<@Rubidium>*mental note* never grab a cat
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10:35<erani>http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.278713,39.506836&layer=c&cbll=57.226109,-4.572287&panoid=ApPA1rwguy7D-Kl8q6i0bw&cbp=12,126.78,,0,15.94&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=&ll=57.226207,-4.572115&spn=0,359.888506&z=14
10:35<erani>the stig
10:35<KenjiE20>that the one in the BBC White City?
10:36<@Rubidium>that doesn't look like the stig in links at all
10:37<KenjiE20>oh Stig
10:37<KenjiE20>only, wider?
10:38<erani>http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Hammersmith,+London+W12+0TT,+UK&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.322317,40.253906&ie=UTF8&ll=51.514959,-0.228567&spn=0.001582,0.004914&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=51.514926,-0.228765&panoid=cRXQyRB9ywmaZVKuBSddWw&cbp=12,146.0064180401871,,2,-12.084480108548325
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11:58<@peter1138>oh, grrrr, ossec is pissing me off :(
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12:22<CIA-2>OpenTTD: frosch * r18916 /trunk/src/crashlog.cpp: -Fix (r18809): Don't rely on 'time.h' being included via dark roads.
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13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: translators * r18917 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: danish - 1 changes by Hatsen
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: lithuanian - 17 changes by BlinK_, Devastator
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: malay - 17 changes by toadhall
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 84 changes by mantaray
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: norwegian_nynorsk - 4 changes by mantaray
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15:59<__ln__>@seen Bjarni
15:59<@DorpsGek>__ln__: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <Bjarni> he already said something
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16:15<__ln__>if i've been taught british pronunciation of english, what are the main points to focus on besides /r/, when emulating american accent?
16:16<@peter1138>being annoying?
16:16*__ln__ writes that down
16:16<Prof_Frink>Denying the existence of the letter 'u'?
16:17<__ln__>Prof_Frink: i deny the existence of any letters in pronunciation.
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16:21<Terkhen>hello
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16:21<__ln__>buenas
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16:43<Luukland>Could someone tell me if you can crash someone's trains in multiplayer with your trains?
16:45<TrueBrain>yes; someone could tell you.
16:46<Luukland>Is that a yes or a no?
16:46<Sacro>it's a yes
16:46<Sacro>someone could tell you
16:46<Luukland>>_<
16:46<Sacro>I could tell you
16:46<Luukland>geez, always so difficult getting a good answer here, but let me rephrase
16:46<Sacro>i'm sure TrueBrain could too
16:46<Luukland>Can you crash someone's trains in multiplayer with your trains?
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16:46<Sacro>we both answered your question :)
16:47<Luukland>Without any patches
16:47<TrueBrain>I have absolutely no idea
16:47<Yexo>no
16:47<@Rubidium>yes!
16:48<Yexo>ok, if you're picky and "someone' includes yourself, then yse :p
16:48<Luukland>Might I tell you that in 0.7.5 it is possible? And now I am very angry because someone is crashing my trains?
16:48<Luukland>I would like to see this bug fixed
16:48<TrueBrain>no, you may not
16:48<Yexo>then report it :)
16:48<Yexo>including a step-by-step explanation of how to repeat it
16:49<TrueBrain>and a savegame!
16:49<@Rubidium>oh sorry, someone said that I should say something else more often, so: "goed gedaan"
16:49<Luukland>I am reporting now, build a depot (company 1) next to the end of the station (company 2), start engine (company 1) when train (company 2) arrives
16:49<TrueBrain>lol @ Rubidium :)
16:49<Luukland>boom, both trains gone
16:49<TrueBrain>Luukland: use http://bugs.openttd.org to report bugs
16:49<Yexo>yes :)
16:49<Luukland>I have my account deleted there
16:50<TrueBrain>create a new one
16:51<Luukland>no thx
16:53<@Belugas>no fix then
16:53<erani>why would you anyways want to build and connect your depot to another company's station/railroad
16:53<Yexo>Luukland: I can't reproduce the problem, neither in 0.7.5 nor in 1.0.0-beta3
16:54<Yexo>unless the other person is in the same company of course
16:54<Luukland>Yexo, you need to start train at the RIGHT moment
16:54<erani>ah, true :)
16:54<Luukland>it requires a bit of tweaking
16:54<@Rubidium>let me guess, 0.7.5C?
16:55<Luukland>I am not sure if it works with line against line
16:56<Luukland>(as in railroad - railroad)
16:57<SmatZ>oh, I got like thousand of "viagra 80% off" emails, does anyone want some? :)
16:57<SmatZ>I can't ever use that much viagra :-/
16:57<@Belugas>ho fuck no, i've got plenty of those emails too...
16:57<@Rubidium>TrueBrain likes those IIRC
16:57<@Rubidium>SmatZ: maybe the Polish need them for their power lines
16:57<TrueBrain>Rubidium: but we agreed you were going to arrange them from now on
16:58<SmatZ>hehehe
17:08<Luukland>Hmm Yexo, I try to reproduce now
17:08<Luukland>But I can't also, but just 15 mins ago in multiplayer my trains were crashed
17:08<Luukland>075 normal standard version
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17:16<@Belugas>bye boyz
17:17<SpComb^>Luukland: that's a classical one
17:17<SpComb^>Luukland: same thing with train vs road vehicles...
17:17<Luukland>Road vehicle in depot?
17:17<SpComb^>no, road vehicle on level crossing, train on level crossing...
17:17<Luukland>crash the train?
17:18<SpComb^>no..
17:18<Luukland>well.. I am talking about a crashing trains
17:18<Luukland>* train
17:18<Luukland>without signal failure
17:19<Luukland>might you have an idea how to reproduce it SpComb^?
17:19<planetmaker>it's your bug :-P
17:20<planetmaker>and you _demand_ it fixed. So do a damn thing to prove it exists
17:20<SpComb^>I hear people talk of this thing referred to as "prison rules"
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17:21<Luukland>I see, but do you know the exact way to make it happen SpComb^? Cos I only have seen it once
17:21<Xaroth>Luukland: you want something fixed, but you refuse to report it, youclaim that there is a specific bug, yet you cannot reproduce it
17:22<Xaroth>how do you expect it to be fixed?
17:22<Eddi|zuHause>i think Luukland is a way better candidate than PeterT... :p
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17:23<Xaroth>lol
17:23<Xaroth>he came, he spoke, he ran off, giggling like a little girl
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17:23<SpComb^>don't read too much into Eddi's random dropoffs
17:23<Luukland>I know, he is the inventer of how_to_be_an_ass_on_irc.txt
17:27<Luukland>Got it :D Finally
17:28<Luukland>it is some newgrf which makes it possible, regarding new trains
17:28<Luukland>well it is a newgrf bug, so sorry for my harsh entrance, I was a bit pissed, have all a pleasant evening
17:28<TrueBrain>he was spot on ...
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17:29<TrueBrain>cool .. when he is pissed, he can take it out on us :) WHOHO! Always wanted to be a boxball :)
17:29<Yexo>... and not even telling what newgrf it was
17:29<TrueBrain>not realising that should be fixed too ;)
17:29<Eddi|zuHause>i mean what i said :p
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17:30<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: we already started the vote on it, and he is winning
17:30<Xaroth>can't you just vote both? :o
17:31<Eddi|zuHause>at least PeterT is a person who inherently means well, he's just annoying by amount of hyperactivity
17:31<Eddi|zuHause>Luukland is plain offensive...
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17:36<rait>glx, about the deadlock ...
17:36<+glx>again?
17:37<rait>just had same symptoms on r18917 nightly
17:37<+glx>weird
17:41<rait>uploading dump ... r18917 x64
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17:50<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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17:52<rait>glx, http://irx.pri.ee/openttd/openttd%20(3).7z
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17:59<rait>glx, is it useful?
17:59<+glx>opening it
18:01<+glx>well it's still the same, and I don't get why the sound thread is still running
18:02<rait>could it be some other apps messing with it?
18:03<+glx>because the sound thread should have receive a message
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18:06<rait>so the mysteri continues ...
18:09<@Rubidium>what about just telling the thread to quit and then be done with it? So not waiting on it to actually quit, or wait N msec for it to quite
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18:10<+glx>but it seems it doesn't understand it should quit
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18:11<+glx>and that makes no sense to me
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18:16<rait>i don't think my 35h uptime can be of any use here. hopefully i can test whatever you come up with tomorrow. night
18:18<Terkhen>good night
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18:37<+glx>should be related to server 2008
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18:44<Nite_Owl>Need to feed - later all
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18:50*TrueBrain is happy to see in tcpdump the letters HTTP/1.1 when starting OpenTTD
18:51<TrueBrain>night all
18:51<PeterT>night
18:51<@peter1138>uhhuh
18:51<@peter1138>ottd phone home
18:51<@peter1138>hehe
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19:17<devilsadvocate>do the marshalling yard in the industrial station renewal do anything?
19:18<PeterT>other than be station art?
19:18<devilsadvocate>yeah
19:22<Eddi|zuHause>then no.
19:23<devilsadvocate>oki
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19:44<dragonhorseboy>hey
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20:34<dragonhorseboy>hey fjb
20:34<PeterT>hey dragonhorseboy
20:34<PeterT>hey fjb
20:35<PeterT>hey __ln__
20:35<PeterT>hey Ammler
20:35<PeterT>let's say hey to every person in the channel :-P
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20:38<andythenorth>hey
20:38<dragonhorseboy>andythenorth how's FIRS going?
20:39<andythenorth>right now, it's not. I'm working. But I'm close to releasing some seriously improved production code for processing industries.
20:39<dragonhorseboy>heh
20:40<dragonhorseboy>btw is the nightly basically the 'everything in firs' one or? been pondering that for two nights now
20:49<andythenorth>dragonhorseboy: yes the current nightly is 'everything in FIRS'.
20:50<andythenorth>when planetmaker and I get some more economy parameter code done (maybe 50% done right now) that will change
20:51<dragonhorseboy>well as long as there's the option to still use 'everything' :P
20:51*dragonhorseboy hehs
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23:22<devilsadvocate>is there any way to stop primary industries from closing for want of 'good service' with ECS vectors?
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