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02:10<kd5pbo>Wow
02:10<kd5pbo>Quiet night.
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03:16<Terkhen>good morning
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05:33<CIA-9>OpenTTD: terkhen * r19117 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3593]: The Non-stop dropdown wasn't enabled for depot and waypoint orders.
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06:13<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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07:18<@SmatZ>great, we got almost rid of St. Claus, now it's time to get rid of St. Valentine...
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07:20<frosch123>be careful St. Bunny is already approaching
07:20<@SmatZ>oh no :(
07:21<@SmatZ>luckily "Bunny" isn't favourite here (yet?)
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07:30<@SmatZ>http://www.wtso.net/movie/18-The%20Simpsons%20922%20Trash%20of%20the%20Titans.html reminds me of this "Love Day"
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09:02<Chrill> the apartment modules in TTD, what Japanese house are they based on?
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09:03<Eddi|zuHause>i'm sure there is a thread or wiki page about that
09:05<Eddi|zuHause>hm... now it gets dangerous, they're not only hunting my mouse, but now get interested in my mouse cursor...
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09:16<Ammler>Chrill: http://tt-ms.de/backgrounds/
09:23<Chrill>why thank you
09:24<Chrill>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Nakagin_Capsule_Tower200810.jpg
09:26<Alberth>Ammler: copied from the home page of CS
09:27<Chrill>Related: Swedish ice hotel :D
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09:58<Ammler>Alberth: no idea :-)
09:59<Alberth>http://www.chrissawyergames.com/feature1.htm http://www.chrissawyergames.com/feature1a.htm
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10:26<Ragzid>hi all, just a question, i want to report a minor bug, but I'm not sure whether it's reported, and searching at flyspray gives no suitable result. Can anyone please look at this screen? http://imagehut.rozmetal.net/images/1266074560-ottd-scenario-industry.png
10:27<Noldo>:
10:27<Noldo>:)
10:28<Alberth>what is the bug? you cannot build an industry over another one, inclusing another instance of the same industry.
10:28<Alberth>*including
10:28<Ragzid>yes, but look at the name of industry
10:28<rane>....
10:28<Ragzid>there should be Power Station in the way.
10:29<Alberth>ah, overlooked that. yes would count as a bug.
10:30<ccfreak2k>Maybe they're calling themselves a printing works for tax purposes. :)
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10:31<Alberth>Ragzid: what version are you playing?
10:31<Alberth>I get 'cannot place this industry type here'
10:31<Ragzid>1.0.0 beta4
10:32<Ragzid>i'll try download nightly
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10:38<Ragzid>hmm, confirmed in nightly (r19109), I'll report it
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10:47<Alberth>thank you
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11:40<Ammler>how is that status possible? Client #399 name: 'Combuster' status: 'authorizing' frame-lag: 23296 company: 255
11:40<Ammler>shouldn't be a lag of 80 the max?
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11:48<TrueBrain>*burp*
11:48*jonty-comp paintballs TrueBrain
11:48*TrueBrain shoots back
11:49<TrueBrain>if I had CS:S installed, I would have challenged you for a game of Paintbal :P
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11:50<jonty-comp>pfft
11:51<jonty-comp>I would undoubtedly lose
11:51*jonty-comp is terrible at CS:S
11:51<TrueBrain>and I rock at CS:S :)
11:51<TrueBrain>ask dihedral :p
11:51<jonty-comp>i'll take your word for it
11:52<jonty-comp>I'm quite good at UT, though :D
11:52<jonty-comp>and now I should be doing work...
11:52<TrueBrain>yes, you make yourself useful
11:52<TrueBrain>I was about to fetch some dinner, when I noticed it was frozen
11:52<TrueBrain>not very tasteful, frozen food
11:52<jonty-comp>but I am taking a self-defined afternoon break, as I have just discovered the web page I spent all day writing doesn't work in IE 8
11:52<jonty-comp>but it works fine in gecko and webkit
11:53<jonty-comp>it is veeeery tempting to leave it as it is
11:53<TrueBrain>try IE 6!
11:53<@peter1138>ah, UT
11:53*peter1138 ponders installing it
11:53<@peter1138>if it still works
11:54<TrueBrain>no, they broke it a few weeks ago
12:01<@peter1138>ah, ZPS nearly downloaded
12:01<TrueBrain>AVP almots burned
12:05<@peter1138>alas, it does not start
12:06*peter1138 ponders VirtualBox instead
12:07<jonty-comp>OpenGL acceleration!
12:07<@peter1138>quite
12:08<@peter1138>or, of course, just a native install
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12:21<@peter1138>hmm, where did the windows xp disc go...
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13:11<ccfreak2k>If I have a train with two types of railcar, can I get it to load one cargo and unload another cargo at one station, and the opposite at another station?
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13:14<Alberth>no, afaik
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13:20<Ragzid>imho you can... for example at one station you have iron ore mine and factory, and at the second one steelmill. so you can in one train transfer iron ore, and steel together
13:20<Ragzid>but it depends at specific situation
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13:22<PeterT>hi all
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13:28<Alberth>Ragzid: transfer yes, but unload steel, and load ore at the same time?
13:29<Alberth>hmm, perhaps if you first unload, then visit the station again, and load?
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13:44<PeterT>CIA-1?
13:44<Alberth>haven't seen him much today
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14:29<Combuster>Hey Devs
14:29<Combuster>any recent desync issues?
14:30<@peter1138>none reported
14:32<Combuster>There is, as of now :)
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16:37<Terkhen>good night
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17:10<Nuclearmy>Hi all
17:10<PeterT>Hi Nuclearmy
17:12<Nuclearmy>I have a problem with the Open TTD music. I put the music files in the "gm" and the game see them but can't play it. Can some one tell me how to fix that?
17:13<PeterT>first, what version are you using? second, try setting it to original_windows in Game Options
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17:14<Nuclearmy>I use the "1.0.0-beta4" version
17:14<Nuclearmy>I check the game settings
17:15<PeterT>Ok
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17:17<Nuclearmy>sry i got a DC
17:18<PeterT>So, did you find it? Megtaltad?
17:18<PeterT>Sorry, I saw you were Hungarian :-)
17:18<Nuclearmy>Ja hogy magyar vagy ^^
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17:19<PeterT>Ok, please keep it in english, if you want to talk in Hungarian PM me
17:19<Nuclearmy>It's already on "Windows_original"
17:19<Nuclearmy>I dunno how to pm so i stay in english ^^;
17:19<PeterT>/msg PeterT <text>
17:20<PeterT>What OS do you run?
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17:38<__ln__>can someone refresh my memory about what happened to Claire?
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17:42<__ln__>not the cheerleader, the other one.
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17:52<ccfreak2k>http://wiki.openttd.org/images/a/a8/Cyclotron_Full.png
17:52<ccfreak2k>It looks like the schematic symbol of a transistor, kind of.
17:52<ccfreak2k>With a transformer above it.
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19:09<@Rubidium>hmm, I must be using 7z incorrectly; it compresses worse than zip out-of-the-box
19:10<ccfreak2k>Using the GUI or the command-line?
19:11<@Rubidium>command line
19:11<@Rubidium>just 7z a foo.7z <some files>
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19:14<ccfreak2k>Try adding -mx9.
19:14<ccfreak2k>And -ms=on
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19:22<ccfreak2k>There's all kinds of options you can change to increase compression.
19:22<ccfreak2k>They're just not on by default it seems.
19:24<aber>increase the dictonary size
19:26<@Rubidium>-mx9 and -ms=on doesn't make it smaller than zip -9 either :(
19:27<ccfreak2k>You could also see if adding -mN=LZMA2 helps.
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19:29<@Rubidium>invalid arg :(
19:30<ccfreak2k>I guess I read it wrong then.
19:30<ccfreak2k>How much smaller is the ZIP archive from the uncompressed files?
19:30<@Rubidium>oh... "ultimate" settings
19:31<@Rubidium>ccfreak2k: ~1% or so IIRC
19:31<ccfreak2k>In that case, I find it doubtful that LZMA will compress much better.
19:31<@Rubidium>191M -> 190M
19:32<ccfreak2k>That's a teeny bit over 0.5%.
19:32<@Rubidium>198988411 7z with some 'ultra' setting
19:32<@Rubidium>198450283 zip with -9
19:32<aber>What's inside the archive?
19:32<@Rubidium>png and gzip compressed data
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19:33*Lakie doubts you'd get much better with trying to store already compressed data.
19:33<@Rubidium>198613830 <- 7z with lzma2
19:35<@Rubidium>Lakie: there are some tricks to compress it better; IIRC png uses gzip internally, so extracting that and running it through lzma might yield a 10-20% size reduction
19:35<@Rubidium>but... that's quite tricky and such
19:35<Lakie>yeah
19:35<gathers>are the png's optimized already?
19:37<@Rubidium>yeah, kinda. They can be optimised a bit, but... that's in the neighbourhood of 1%
19:40<ccfreak2k>optipng :)
19:40<@Rubidium>oh, I tried *all* I could find in my package manager
19:41<@Rubidium>one even tried like 200 different settings
19:43<gathers>this might be a stupid question, but when bumping the savegame version number for new settings I add in a patch, do I have to bump SAVEGAME_VERSION as well? loading and saving seem to work even if I use higher numbers than SAVEGAME_VERSION in settings.h
19:44<gathers>(I'd like for my branch to merge with cargodist without conflicts if possible)
19:44<ccfreak2k>optipng will get you close to optimal. There's another one that can shave a few kilobytes off a 2000x2000+ image.
19:44<@Rubidium>yes; if the version in settings.h is higher than the savegame version it's just not stored in the savegame
19:45<@Rubidium>ccfreak2k: yeah, on a 2 MB PNG, so like 1%. Not really worth the effort :)
19:46<ccfreak2k>I, personally, always use optipng. -zc9 -zm1-9 -zs0-3 -f0-5 doesn't take that long and always reduces final size, unless the image is small to begin with.
19:46<gathers>ok, thanks. hmm, so another branch then I guess
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19:53<@Rubidium>http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/intro/round1/ :)
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19:55<Xaroth>i see #2 is going for the 'keepin it clean' award?
19:56<ccfreak2k>The top three should be randomly chosen or cycled in-order on each game start.
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19:58<ccfreak2k>Or have a variety from different categories cycled RCT-tyle.
20:00<@Rubidium>but that would (unneededly) bloat the downloads
20:05<gathers>Savegames have to be graded with integrals? Oh, I can see mathematicians having fun while voting on this :P
20:09<@Rubidium>hmm... yeah, always nice to have multiple meanings for a word
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20:11<aber>on the second savegame the crossing of canal and monrail, is it possible for the train to go through the water?
20:13<Eddi|zuHause> <__ln__> can someone refresh my memory about what happened to Claire? <-- last appearance was in the shed with her and jacks father (christopher?) about one full season ago, then she just disappeared
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20:14<Xaroth>Rubidium: having the feature would still kick ass tho :o
20:15<Xaroth>then again I would rather have it able to show multiple locations of 1 savegame
20:18<Eddi|zuHause>Xaroth: there once was a patch that cycles through sign locations, or so
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20:41<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: that's the scene where john looks for jacob, but finds these two instead, and then asks "how do i save the island?"
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23:09<ccfreak2k>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9yxkLGkI3c
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