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---Logopened Tue Mar 02 00:00:38 2010
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00:43<Lestat>hi all
00:43<Lestat>hay alguien que hable español?
00:49<roboboy>is it safe for me to delete the Compat*.nut files in the ai dir if I do not want to run an AI?
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00:55<roboboy>im trying to squeze a copy of openttd onto a floppy
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01:43<awox>G'day everyone.
01:43<awox>I was wondering if anyone here knew of any easily obtained off-line documentation for OpenTTD? I mean, apart from scraping the wiki is there anything else out there I could use for reference (railway stuff especially?)? :)
01:44<awox>Loving the hell out of OpenTTD, but no internets at home to hit the wiki up :D
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02:34*roboboy wonders if he can get a generic TRIDENT driver for DOS
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02:38<planetmaker>awox: Probably your best bet for offline documentation is indeed to wget the wiki, making it available for offline use.
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02:52*roboboy sraps the idea of looking for graphics card drivers
02:52<roboboy>I got OpenTTD to run under DOS 5
02:54<@Rubidium>awox: the problem with our wiki is that it's kinda (mis)used by those 32bpp zoom graphics people, i.e. the wiki is huge
02:55<awox>wget and httrack dont convert links properly for mediawiki, or I am doing it wrong :(
02:56<@Rubidium>basically the wiki wouldn't fit on a CD
02:57<awox>I guess I'll just save the relevant pages each separately and mirror it when I can drive httrack properly :D
02:58<awox>are there still os x issues?
02:58<awox>(I mean, I only read something on the main page - I have been playing an old, old version all this time)
03:08<@Rubidium>awox: there're still too many OS X (related) issues for it to get an official 1.0.0 release
03:10*roboboy is happy with his hour or so work getting DOS 5 set up and runing (O)TT(O)(D)(P)
03:12*roboboy got OpenTTD to run under MS-DOS5 with minimal configuration of DOS
03:14<@Rubidium>so it actually works :)
03:15*roboboy shall try and get a screenie
03:15<roboboy>one thing. It didn't exit cleanly
03:15<roboboy>or it didn't seem to
03:19*peter1138 puts the warning back on 32bpp extra zoom levels on the wiki
03:22<roboboy>hm screenshots under DOS fail both pcx and bmp. might be my computer
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03:26<roboboy>ive left the machine whilst in the process of quiting (I clicked quit on the main menu) and it has gone quiet except for the noise the fan makes so I presume it isn't going to quit cleanly under DOS
03:26<peter1138>roboboy, you get an error?
03:26<peter1138>might just be the screenshot filename is too long?
03:26<roboboy>I get screenshot failed in a TTD error box
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03:28<roboboy>I also get what I think is an AI eror that flashes up just before the game enters graphical mode. I presume that is because the compatibility .nut files have filenames that are too long to be loaded
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03:29*roboboy restarts his DOS machine and tries to save a game to see if it will fail
03:29<boekabart>the trac 'download as zip' function doesn't seem to work
03:30<boekabart>(on the openttd site that is). Is that by design?
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03:32<peter1138>we don't use trac
03:32<peter1138>it's just there
03:32<@Rubidium>boekabart: it probably uses too much memory
03:33<peter1138>Rubidium, no, just a missing module
03:33<@Rubidium>peter1138: are you really sure? I've set it to be killed quite soon if it's memory usage spikes
03:34<roboboy>trying to save gives me the eror "Game Load Failed File not Writeable" in a TTD eror box
03:34<@Rubidium>as otherwise it just keeps on using and using memory
03:34<@Rubidium>roboboy: and if you make the filename short enough?
03:34<peter1138> Trac detected an internal error:
03:34<peter1138>RuntimeError: Compression requires the (missing) zlib module
03:34<peter1138>seems pretty exact
03:35<roboboy>so the name provided in the save/load box is the actual filename without the extension?
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03:35<boekabart>well trac might be 'not used' but it's linked to from the main page (dev section) ..
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03:36<nicfer>New rail types is only for railroads right?
03:37<peter1138>rail being rail, you'd expect that
03:37<roboboy>that fixed it
03:38<roboboy>and exiting from within a runing savegame also doesnt work
03:38<roboboy>no eror just a hung computer
03:39<roboboy>that doesn't appear to be doing any work
03:39<@Rubidium>there... trac issue 'fixed'
03:39<@Rubidium>(bye bye zip link)
03:39<nicfer>And could that be expanded to roads?
03:40<roboboy>also the game reports that there are zero kilobytes available in the save dir
03:40<peter1138>no, roads are different to rails
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03:42<roboboy>I have not tested music yet under DOS
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03:44*roboboy wonders what chipset the onboard sound is on his DOS machine
03:44<@Rubidium>roboboy: it's quite likely that not everything works; after all, the only major porting is getting it to compile. Nothing else has been done
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03:44<roboboy>im just pointing out issues
03:44<roboboy>if anyone ever wants to fix them im happy to help test
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05:36<boekabart>Rubidium: is there a src tarball download location?
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05:41<Yexo>via openttd, select any of the downloads at the top, then chose for the source download
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05:47<planetmaker>hello roboboy :-)
05:48*roboboy is marginaly happy with his work on his test pc for the day
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06:21<zachanima>well that was a nice 10 hours of downtime
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06:21<__ln__>also known as "sleep"?
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08:51*roboboy ponders opening some FS tasks for the DOS port
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08:52<@Rubidium>roboboy: like? We'll probably just say: "install long filename support"; I seem to remember that exists somewhere.
08:53<@Rubidium>the Allegro issue is probably something in Allegro itself; it works fine with the Unix variant
08:53<roboboy>what about the fact it doesnt exit cleanly and leaves my computer hung
08:54<@Rubidium>roboboy: that's likely an allegro issue
08:54<@Rubidium>and "it works" in Dosbox, which kinda implies it's something driver related
08:55<@Rubidium>in other words: the bugs will be like the mac os x bugs
08:55<peter1138>does long filename support exist for dos?
08:55<peter1138>hmm, dos 7
08:56<@Rubidium> <- seems to imply there's a driver for dos
08:58<peter1138>and does openttd support it when compiled for dos?
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09:00<Eddi|zuHause>DOS TT(D) used short filenames and stored the company name in the file
09:02*roboboy realy needs a soundcard driver
09:06<peter1138>Eddi|zuHause, well yes, we know tha t;p
09:07<@Rubidium>peter1138: I don't know what it does w.r.t. filenames; dosbox doesn't seem lfn aware, so I can't test it
09:07<@Rubidium>besides that I don't really care that much about the dos port
09:08<@Rubidium>it's more a fun proof-of-concept thing than something I intend to support
09:08<peter1138>i'm interested
09:08<peter1138>because it might work better than the os x port ;)
09:09<@Rubidium>that would be awfully ironic :)
09:09<Eddi|zuHause>maybe, if one could get proper UTF-8 support and stuff under DOS, one could drop the Win 9x port? ;)
09:09<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: network differs IIRC
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11:42<luk3Z>hi all
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13:26<__ln__>interesting introduction to debugging your broken seagate disk:
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13:30<Eddi|zuHause>you mean there's something other than using a slash hammer?
13:35<Sacro>__ln__: that's seriously awesome
13:36<Eddi|zuHause>"luckily" all my seagate problems were of a different kind...
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13:39<__ln__>Sacro: yeah, and some serious effort put into making the video
13:39<Sacro>Indeed, and such a wonderful soundtrack
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13:46<CIA-2>OpenTTD: translators * r19302 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)
13:46<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:46<CIA-2>OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker
13:46<CIA-2>OpenTTD: italian - 41 changes by lorenzodv
13:46<CIA-2>OpenTTD: korean - 1 changes by junho2813
13:46<CIA-2>OpenTTD: malay - 19 changes by Kwokfu
13:46<CIA-2>OpenTTD: serbian - 18 changes by etran
13:46<@Belugas>Eddi|zuHause, you can use a sledge hammer
13:46<Eddi|zuHause>oh... right, that was the word...
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13:49<@Belugas>naaaa... that was the song
13:49<@Belugas>but that could be the word too :)
13:50*peter1138 puts PG on
13:51<peter1138>oops, the start is supposed to be quiet
13:52<peter1138># open up your fruit cage
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14:27<@Belugas>hello mister Wolf01
14:28<@Belugas>damned... quite a high wolume of W wames :S
14:28<Wolf01>hello my friend :D
14:31<Wolf01>my old access point is tfu :(
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14:47<PeterT>Noooooo, an opntitle.dat in the global directory does not take priority over an opntitle.dat in the local /data dir :-(
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15:31<CIA-2>OpenTTD: frosch * r19303 /trunk/src/newgrf_airport.h: -Codechange: Silence a gcc warning.
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16:52*andythenorth has an evil thought: if the BROS grf ever does get finished, maybe FIRS, HEQS and FISH will deactivate themselves if it's loaded.
16:52<andythenorth>they are such silly puppies
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17:12<@Rubidium>till the hello tomorrow :)
17:18<planetmaker>has an evil thought: if the BROS grf ever does get finished, maybe FIRS, HEQS and FISH will deactivate themselves if it's loaded. <-- lool :-P
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17:28<Terkhen>good night
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17:53<PeterT>Anyone have any suggestions on GRFs for arctic games?
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17:58<SpComb^>PeterT: alpinew.grf :)
17:58<PeterT>Ok :-)
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18:02<PeterT>What's a good train set for use with arctic?
18:05<SpComb^>...DBSetXL :P
18:05<fjb> For an alpine setting I would recommend something German, Swiss or Austrian.
18:05<PeterT>andythenorth: I've downloaded FISH 0.2, but it's not recognized by OpenTTD
18:06<PeterT>Only FISH 0.1, FISH r159, FISH r223, FISH r245M
18:07<Eddi|zuHause>PeterT: tried rescanning for grfs?
18:08<fjb>You don't really need a ship set for an alpine setting.
18:09<OwenS>Ooh, new OkTrends blog post
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18:10<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: why would we care about some random blog?
18:10<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: It's the data mining blog of OKCupid. As they're pulling in thousands of users, it's quite revealing of mankind as a whole :p
18:10<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: why would we care about some random blog?
18:10<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Because it's interesting :p
18:11<CIA-2>OpenTTD: glx * r19304 /trunk/src/sound/win32_s.cpp: -Fix [FS#3652]: disable sound when a sound error happen instead crashing
18:12<OwenS>It also shows that lots of "common knowledge" is wrong :P
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18:19<TrueBrain>@kick Xaroth see
18:19-!-Xaroth was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [see]
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18:19-!-Xaroth is "Xaroth" on #openttd @+#openDune #openttdcoop
18:19<Xaroth><3 TrueBrain
18:19*TrueBrain humps Xaroth
18:19*Xaroth humps TrueBrain
18:23<PeterT>get a room
18:23<TrueBrain>we have one; but you are in it!
18:24<Xaroth>wait, if he's in our room, does that mean we can duct-tape him to the ceiling?
18:24*TrueBrain gives Xaroth duct-tape
18:24<PeterT>Of course.
18:24*Xaroth duct-tapes PeterT to the ceiling
18:24<Xaroth>face up, ofcourse
18:24<PeterT>oh :-(
18:24<Xaroth>else he'd be the reincarnation of ceiling cat
18:25<PeterT>You are in quite a crowded room to be humping
18:25<Xaroth>it now has one less person looking, seeing all you can see now is the ceiling
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18:26<OwenS>And yet again this is #not-openttd
18:27<TrueBrain>your point being?
18:27<OwenS>This channel is weird :-P
18:27<TrueBrain>no, you are weird! (pointing a strong finger to OwenS)
18:27<PeterT>Perhaps this channel is normal, and you are weird
18:28<PeterT>What TrueBrain said
18:28<KenjiE20>wait, IRC channels are supposed to be on topic?
18:28<OwenS>KenjiE20: I trust you've never been to freenode XD
18:28<Xaroth>that sounds like a disease, OwenS
18:28<PeterT>He is there right now, OwenS
18:29<PeterT>Not connected to any channels, apparently
18:29<+glx>IIRC #tycoon is more often not on topic than we are
18:29<TrueBrain>we should keep stats about that :)
18:30<+glx>freenode is more stable now :)
18:30<PeterT>The 's' in 'Unauthorised' is bothering me
18:31<+glx>it's english
18:31<PeterT>Quick! @topic change -2 s/thoris/thoriz/
18:31<+glx>z is not english
18:31<PeterT>It's British English *shudder*
18:31<@Rubidium>#openttd.notice is on-topic
18:31<TrueBrain>it always is
18:31<OwenS>PeterT: No, it's English. What you speak is American English
18:32<PeterT>TrueBrain just pwned the system.
18:32<PeterT>OwenS: You just missed it
18:32<OwenS>I was going there to check if it was moderated :p
18:33<PeterT><DorpsGek> oh no, someone talked here <-- DorpsGek always talks anyway :-P
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18:41*DorpsGek stays off-topic
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18:42<@DorpsGek>to kick or not kick, that is the question
18:44<PeterT>that's a good question
18:44<OwenS>To kick who?
18:44<PeterT>keep up
18:45<__ln__>OwenS: isn't that supposed to be "whom"?
18:46<OwenS>I think technically yes
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19:53<lennard>wtf is that? :P
19:53<lennard>above/below sea-level?
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19:55<SpComb^>dunno, some AI debugging I guess
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20:08<Eddi|zuHause>more likely cargo acceptance
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