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| 04:15 | <planetmaker> | good moaning |
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| 04:30 | <Zuu> | good morning |
| 04:35 | <Alberth> | moin |
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| 05:19 | <fjb> | Moin |
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| 05:39 | <DanMacK> | Hello all |
| 05:40 | <fjb> | Moin DanMacK |
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| 05:50 | <planetmaker> | Hello DanMacK |
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| 06:26 | <fonsinchen> | If you'd like to play a nice cargodist multiplayer game with the latest version built by the compile farm yesterday (available at http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist/g5b3732ce/) you can do so on mz.openttdcoop.org:3999 . |
| 06:28 | <andythenorth> | hi hi |
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| 06:33 | <andythenorth> | is 'truck convoy' an acceptable type of RV? |
| 06:35 | <Zuu> | fonsinchen: Thes server reports version "g5b3732ce-carg" but the win32 binary reports "g5b3732ce-cargodist" and thus I can't join the server. |
| 06:35 | <planetmaker> | hello andythenorth |
| 06:36 | <frosch123> | is that a direct upgrade from sheep-flock? |
| 06:36 | <planetmaker> | I'd call it "road train". That's an established word in Australia IIRC |
| 06:36 | <planetmaker> | frosch123: intermediate via sheep train |
| 06:36 | <planetmaker> | *sheep convoy |
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| 06:37 | <Zuu> | Not sure if it is your fault or if the version scripts cut the version at different length depending on platform. |
| 06:38 | <planetmaker> | o-O |
| 06:38 | <ccfreak2k> | planetmaker, it actually looks like two words to me. |
| 06:38 | <KenjiE20> | "2. Unforeseen Consequences" |
| 06:38 | <planetmaker> | ccfreak2k: http://www.google.de/search?q=road+train |
| 06:39 | <planetmaker> | google.com probably will work, too ;-) |
| 06:39 | <andythenorth> | road train is one truck, many trailers |
| 06:39 | <planetmaker> | yes. |
| 06:39 | <fonsinchen> | argh |
| 06:39 | <andythenorth> | I am thinking of multiple trucks |
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| 06:39 | <planetmaker> | andythenorth: but multiple trucks should be multiple vehicles |
| 06:39 | <andythenorth> | meh |
| 06:39 | <fonsinchen> | Zuu, where does it report that? |
| 06:39 | <planetmaker> | nothing the newgrf decides for the player |
| 06:40 | <fonsinchen> | the server, I mean |
| 06:40 | <Zuu> | The client version is printed at the top of the title window. |
| 06:40 | <Zuu> | The server version you can see in the multiplayer window at the right. |
| 06:40 | <andythenorth> | it seems IRL farm produce used to move in 3t-5t trucks until a few decades ago. For a farm producing even 90t / month, that's a boring amount of trucks |
| 06:40 | <fonsinchen> | For me the server also reports the shortened string, but I can connect |
| 06:41 | <Zuu> | It says VERSION MISMATCH here |
| 06:41 | <Zuu> | fonsinchen: What does your client say? |
| 06:41 | <Zuu> | carg or cargodist? |
| 06:41 | <fonsinchen> | Also the long string |
| 06:41 | * | andythenorth ponders |
| 06:41 | <Zuu> | hmm, strange |
| 06:42 | <fonsinchen> | where did you click to make it say "version mismatch"? |
| 06:42 | <andythenorth> | industry type 'farms'.....several together, serve them by train |
| 06:42 | <andythenorth> | or....lower farm production |
| 06:42 | <Zuu> | I didn't click anywhere it says that on the left under the server stats. |
| 06:42 | <Zuu> | And the join game button is greyed out. |
| 06:42 | <Zuu> | The server has a red status symbol as well. |
| 06:43 | <fonsinchen> | wtf?!? |
| 06:43 | <planetmaker> | andythenorth: then I don't think it's something a newgrf should fix |
| 06:43 | <planetmaker> | 90t = 3...4 trucks a month |
| 06:43 | <fonsinchen> | Zuu, please quote the exact version string you see in the main menu. |
| 06:44 | <planetmaker> | which is not that bad considering that a normal diary farm is served by a truck every day or every 2nd day |
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| 06:44 | <Zuu> | Oh, now I see there is an M also: "g5b3732ceM-cargodist" |
| 06:45 | <Zuu> | I guess that is the problem. |
| 06:45 | <andythenorth> | planetmaker: with 3t trucks (or horse wagons) it's more like 30 trucks... |
| 06:45 | <planetmaker> | Zuu: did you by chance grab the wrong one? I set the wrong dl thing |
| 06:45 | <planetmaker> | initially |
| 06:45 | <KenjiE20> | pm; I got the same thing |
| 06:45 | <planetmaker> | andythenorth: yeah... but then change that to reasonable amounts for game play balance purposes. |
| 06:46 | <planetmaker> | Realism... :-) |
| 06:46 | <Zuu> | I downloaded http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist/g5b3732ce/openttd-cargodist-g5b3732ce-windows-win32.zip |
| 06:46 | <fonsinchen> | the problem is that the compile farm has built a "modified" version. |
| 06:46 | <fonsinchen> | Rubidium, can that be fixed? |
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| 06:47 | <Zuu> | IIRC it is a one-liner change in the vbs-script. |
| 06:47 | <fonsinchen> | do we have the same problem with other versions? |
| 06:47 | <fonsinchen> | for other OS? |
| 06:47 | * | planetmaker compiles |
| 06:48 | <Zuu> | fonsinchen: Did you make any changes to the version scripts? |
| 06:48 | <fonsinchen> | no |
| 06:48 | <KenjiE20> | awesome; windows-win32-error.log is just full of grep.exe errors |
| 06:48 | <Zuu> | Otherwise you might be at the situation that only the server is "modified", but I suggest that you test at least the linux binary and see. |
| 06:49 | <Zuu> | fonsinchen: You're at linux right? |
| 06:49 | <fonsinchen> | the server doesn't have the "M" in the version string. The win32 binary does |
| 06:49 | <fonsinchen> | yes, but I have compiled mysel |
| 06:49 | <Zuu> | Perhaps you could try the farm-binary and see what version it reports. |
| 06:50 | * | planetmaker downloaded the source and will see what it reports on OSX then when compiled |
| 06:51 | <fonsinchen> | also has the "M" |
| 06:51 | <KenjiE20> | checking revision... git detection <-- I wonder |
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| 06:52 | <fonsinchen> | maybe we just change the server to also report "M" |
| 06:52 | <fonsinchen> | the binaries are probably all "modified" |
| 06:52 | <planetmaker> | we should compile the server from the source bundle |
| 06:52 | <fonsinchen> | why? |
| 06:52 | <planetmaker> | then it's for sure the same thing |
| 06:52 | <fonsinchen> | I wouldn't be too sure about that |
| 06:53 | <planetmaker> | whereever the 'M' comes from. Or do you know what the 'M' indicates as modified? |
| 06:53 | <fonsinchen> | we don't know where the M got inserted |
| 06:53 | <KenjiE20> | when pm says source bundle, he means the linux-generic .tar.gz |
| 06:53 | <KenjiE20> | I presume |
| 06:53 | <planetmaker> | well. That'd be even easier, I guess. I meant building from -source.tar.bz2 |
| 06:53 | <fonsinchen> | I can easily make the server display the M by just changing on line in the source |
| 06:54 | <fonsinchen> | I'll just do that now |
| 06:54 | <planetmaker> | I consider that dangerous |
| 06:54 | <Zuu> | M basically says that it is not plain trunk IIRC. |
| 06:54 | <planetmaker> | ^ |
| 06:55 | <fonsinchen> | so, what shall we do? recompile everything? |
| 06:55 | <planetmaker> | just use the version which is offered for download also on the server |
| 06:55 | <fonsinchen> | basically the compile farm wrongly reports it has modified the source |
| 06:55 | <planetmaker> | easiest proposal IMHO |
| 06:55 | <Zuu> | The easiest would be to re-compile the server for now. |
| 06:55 | <fonsinchen> | I cannot imagine that it did and if it did I wouldn't trust it to work, either. |
| 06:56 | <planetmaker> | fonsinchen: I guess the repo from where it pulled is your working repo? |
| 06:56 | <planetmaker> | Then it might just have those mods which you had (not yet commited). |
| 06:57 | <fonsinchen> | The compile farm pulls from my public repository |
| 06:57 | <fonsinchen> | by definition the code there is not modified wrt my published version of cargodist |
| 06:58 | <planetmaker> | lovely. The source built reports as norev000 |
| 06:58 | <KenjiE20> | 11:51:38 KenjiE20 | checking revision... git detection <-- I wonder |
| 06:59 | <Zuu> | I would guess that unless the version scripts support git it would be modified against SVN trunk |
| 06:59 | <Zuu> | Eg, the same as I think KenjiE20 is trying to highlight. |
| 06:59 | <KenjiE20> | quite |
| 06:59 | <fonsinchen> | but the "M" is appended to my git version |
| 06:59 | <Zuu> | Pretty much any patch build would get an M. |
| 07:00 | <fonsinchen> | BTW, we had the same problem in June last year |
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| 07:00 | <fonsinchen> | I solved it in the same way and it worked |
| 07:00 | <Terkhen> | hello |
| 07:00 | <Zuu> | I don't see the problem. You have modified source code wrt. svn trunk and why do you not want the M then? |
| 07:00 | <fonsinchen> | if the base version is my cargodist version (which it detects) then there is no patch on top of that |
| 07:01 | <fonsinchen> | but, whatever, if the "modified" is just for "modified from trunk" then we can as well just add the "M" (which I have done) |
| 07:01 | <KenjiE20> | I would guess that it seeing the .git stuff as trunk 'mods' |
| 07:02 | <KenjiE20> | or something |
| 07:02 | <Zuu> | It was long time ago since I took a look at the version scripts. To get the "truth" you probably have to look into them and see what they actually does. |
| 07:02 | <fonsinchen> | it doesn't matter anyway. The compile farm has hopefully built the git revision it tells us. |
| 07:02 | <fonsinchen> | If it hasn't we have a serious problem. |
| 07:03 | <fonsinchen> | But if it has it doesn't matter if there's an additional "M" in the version string, so we can as well just add it to our server. |
| 07:03 | <Zuu> | fonsinchen: If you are in doubt you could diff the source tar ball against a check out from your respority. |
| 07:04 | <fonsinchen> | I am actually not as I know the compile farm's git revision detection is broken |
| 07:04 | <fonsinchen> | it did the exact same thing in June last year |
| 07:07 | <planetmaker> | but didn't it work last summerß |
| 07:07 | <planetmaker> | s/ß/?/ |
| 07:08 | <fonsinchen> | yes |
| 07:13 | <fonsinchen> | It should work now. I have changed the server to also report itself as "modified" |
| 07:15 | <Zuu> | Yep, now I can join. |
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| 07:35 | <@Rubidium> | fonsinchen: I have no idea where the M comes from and don't really have the time to hunt for that right now either |
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| 07:50 | <fonsinchen> | It's OK, it works now |
| 07:51 | <fonsinchen> | I'll keep a note ... |
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| 07:55 | <andythenorth> | having farms that produce seasonally....just too evil? |
| 07:55 | <Forked> | very realistic though *hides from Belugas* |
| 07:55 | <andythenorth> | also screws with your nice tidy network for three months of the year :) |
| 07:56 | <frosch123> | Eddi|zuHause is the alpine fan here :) |
| 07:56 | <@Rubidium> | andythenorth: as long as you introduce greenhouses that deliver all year round :) |
| 07:56 | <andythenorth> | yep |
| 07:56 | <andythenorth> | I am thinking grain primarily |
| 07:56 | <frosch123> | when i played it i serviced farms so the train drives only once a year, i.e. loads during summer and delivers in winter :p |
| 07:57 | <andythenorth> | the only reason I've not done it so far is that it can leave a train making no money.... |
| 07:57 | <andythenorth> | seasonal conditional orders? :o |
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| 08:00 | <andythenorth> | or Pikka-style variable running costs (low costs when not moving) |
| 08:01 | <andythenorth> | or high payment rate for the cargo |
| 08:01 | <andythenorth> | or flat payment decay curve so that trucks can deliver to the elevator for pickup by trains year-round |
| 08:04 | <ccfreak2k> | andythenorth, or "available cargo" orders. |
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| 08:25 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: terkhen * r19521 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: Use a IndustryType array to sort industries by name instead of a LegendAndColour array. |
| 08:29 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: terkhen * r19522 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Feature: Sort industries alphabetically at the fund new industry window. |
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| 09:07 | <Eddi|zuHause> | <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause is the alpine fan here :) <-- honestly, i never serviced such a farm... |
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| 09:28 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i always end up having a passenger network, no matter how hard i try :) |
| 09:30 | <@Rubidium> | hmm, still 1500 0.6.3 downloads a week. Is the old AI that special? |
| 09:32 | <fjb> | It is easy to beat. |
| 09:34 | <PeterT> | whereas the new AIs are hard-to-beat? |
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| 09:36 | <fjb> | Don't know, but the old ai is still easier to beat. And some people complained about it being too hard. |
| 09:36 | <Eddi|zuHause> | some people manage to get outperformed by the old ai :p |
| 09:39 | <planetmaker> | Folks, re-joice :-) You can now download a new release of OpenGFX, version 0.2.2 |
| 09:39 | <PeterT> | what's changed? |
| 09:40 | <fjb> | Hay bales? |
| 09:40 | <planetmaker> | houses and maglev and monorail vehicles mostly |
| 09:40 | <planetmaker> | but some other things and fixes, too. |
| 09:40 | <PeterT> | Ok, downloaded |
| 09:40 | <planetmaker> | fjb: unfortunately not |
| 09:41 | <planetmaker> | But I have that on my list of things I'd definitely like to see changed for 0.3 |
| 09:41 | <planetmaker> | But it needs an artist... |
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| 11:09 | <George> | Hi. |
| 11:09 | <George> | need help with strange behaviour of OTTS according to wagons (R19519) |
| 11:10 | <George> | The following wagon does not appear in the list |
| 11:10 | <George> | 407 * 71 00 00 1C 01 5C |
| 11:10 | <George> | 00 \w1920/1/1 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 02 0F |
| 11:10 | <George> | 03 \b17 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 04 \b255 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 05 00 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 06 0F |
| 11:10 | <George> | 07 \b10 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 08 00 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 09 \w130 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 0B \w0 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 0D 00 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 0E 00 00 00 00 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 12 FD |
| 11:10 | <George> | 13 00 |
| 11:10 | <PeterT> | paste.openttd.org |
| 11:10 | <George> | 14 \b32 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 15 FF |
| 11:10 | <George> | 16 10 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 17 10 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 18 00 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 19 00 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 1A 00 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 1B \w0 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 1C 00 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 1E 12 |
| 11:10 | <PeterT> | Seriouisly. |
| 11:10 | <George> | 1F 00 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 20 00 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 27 01 |
| 11:10 | <George> | 2A \d0/1/1 |
| 11:10 | <George> | But as soon as I define power, it appears (but as train) |
| 11:11 | <frosch123> | something with railtypes? |
| 11:11 | <George> | http://paste.openttd.org/225431 |
| 11:11 | <George> | I had not defined any |
| 11:12 | <George> | Do I need to provide a GRF? |
| 11:12 | <frosch123> | is any of its refit cargos available? |
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| 11:13 | <George> | 15 FF |
| 11:14 | <planetmaker> | seriously... use a paste service... |
| 11:14 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: terkhen * r19523 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix: Prevent drawing industries disabled at the smallmap as land tiles when they are built on water. |
| 11:14 | <George> | do you mean a need to define prop 28 anyway? |
| 11:15 | <frosch123> | George: you neither set 1d nor 28 |
| 11:15 | <Jolteon> | lol how did he not get flood kicked. |
| 11:15 | <PeterT> | I don't think #openttd has a FloodBot |
| 11:15 | <PeterT> | it should |
| 11:15 | <frosch123> | maybe if a wagon is not able to carry anything it is not available. at least that is done for road vehicles |
| 11:15 | <PeterT> | The only flood protection this channel has is +l 175 |
| 11:16 | <Jolteon> | Network services should have a flookick |
| 11:16 | <Jolteon> | flood |
| 11:16 | <George> | frosch123: Thank you, it helped |
| 11:16 | <@Rubidium> | Jolteon: unless the client sends out lines at a speed that does not flood trigger |
| 11:16 | <PeterT> | /msg ChanServ HELP SET FloodServ |
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| 11:29 | <SmatZ__> | hello |
| 11:29 | <SmatZ__> | my HDD died :( |
| 11:29 | <PeterT> | Hi SmatZ__ |
| 11:29 | <PeterT> | Where are you using IRC from? |
| 11:29 | <TrueBrain> | awwwhhh, that sucks SmatZ__! |
| 11:29 | <SmatZ__> | the sounds it does are really scary |
| 11:29 | <SmatZ__> | from different compter :) |
| 11:29 | <TrueBrain> | you have backups I hope? |
| 11:29 | <Terkhen> | hi SmatZ__ :( |
| 11:29 | <SmatZ__> | luckily I have backup from last week |
| 11:30 | <PeterT> | that's good |
| 11:30 | <PeterT> | How did it die? |
| 11:30 | <SmatZ__> | suddenly |
| 11:30 | <TrueBrain> | SmatZ__: if needed, you can mos tlikely get it to work for very short bursts :) |
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| 11:31 | <SmatZ__> | I turned on PC, and while KDE was starting, it started doing those sounds |
| 11:31 | <SmatZ__> | I can read from sda1,2,3,5, but sda6,7,8 are not available |
| 11:31 | <SmatZ__> | strange |
| 11:32 | <SmatZ__> | TrueBrain: I hope so :) |
| 11:35 | <TrueBrain> | Rubidium: -- End of NFO Renum 'settings <- misses closing ' :p |
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| 11:40 | <@Rubidium> | TrueBrain: why has WT3 gone haywire because of cases again? (since r19519) |
| 11:40 | <TrueBrain> | did it ever not? :) |
| 11:41 | <TrueBrain> | but define 'haywire'? |
| 11:42 | <@Rubidium> | 2 pending strings that aren't pending |
| 11:42 | <TrueBrain> | ah, if you define that as haywire .. sure |
| 11:42 | <@Rubidium> | i.e. 2 pending strings that aren't committed |
| 11:42 | <TrueBrain> | I just call it a reoccouring bug |
| 11:42 | <TrueBrain> | they are commited |
| 11:43 | <TrueBrain> | more happy this way? |
| 11:44 | <PeterT> | SmatZ__: Good luck. |
| 11:44 | <@Rubidium> | will it happen again? |
| 11:44 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r19524 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (openttd.nfo openttdgui.nfo shore.nfo): [OTTD_GRF] -Fix [FS#TB]: please our loyal "'" checker. |
| 11:44 | <TrueBrain> | and again and again and again |
| 11:44 | <TrueBrain> | like it always did |
| 11:45 | <TrueBrain> | it is a very rare bug, which is easy to repeat, but a bitch to fix; it only happens 1 out of the .. 500? strings WT3 commits, so ... not worth any real time ;) |
| 11:46 | <@Rubidium> | it seems to be related to cases |
| 11:47 | <TrueBrain> | yup |
| 11:47 | <TrueBrain> | and only to cases |
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| 12:05 | <Ammler> | oh, sac claims credits for swedish houses :-) |
| 12:06 | <planetmaker> | lol |
| 12:06 | <planetmaker> | I thought Irwe drew them? |
| 12:08 | <planetmaker> | oh oh. I see another muddy fight surfacing |
| 12:10 | <Ammler> | I would guess, irwe draw it like sac, but he did it self |
| 12:10 | <Ammler> | as irwe is capable to |
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| 12:14 | <planetmaker> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=859581#p859581 <-- I guess he encouraged here ;-) |
| 12:16 | <andythenorth> | compare: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=535922#p535922 |
| 12:16 | <andythenorth> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=866989#p866989 |
| 12:17 | <andythenorth> | not same, but similar |
| 12:21 | <planetmaker> | same RL building, I guess |
| 12:22 | <planetmaker> | looking at that: he drew it all himself. |
| 12:23 | <andythenorth> | he's clearly taken inspiration for the windows, but that's no problem |
| 12:24 | <planetmaker> | might be. But there's only so much you can do IMHO in order to get windows properly drawn. |
| 12:24 | <planetmaker> | He might even not have seen that. Dunno :-) |
| 12:24 | <andythenorth> | I do believe that one or two of us may have been 'inspired' by the work of Simon Foster anyway :o |
| 12:24 | <planetmaker> | :-) Very true |
| 12:25 | <andythenorth> | someone should pm Irwe and tell him not to worry... |
| 12:26 | <planetmaker> | you're the art-man here :-) |
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| 12:29 | <Luffy-X-> | hi |
| 12:29 | <planetmaker> | ho |
| 12:32 | <Luffy-X-> | i you speacks spanish? |
| 12:33 | <fjb> | Hm, will INFRA or DBsetXL 0.9 be released first? |
| 12:33 | <planetmaker> | I even offered her to code her houses. But she declined. |
| 12:34 | <frosch123> | fjb: it's called simuscape now |
| 12:34 | <planetmaker> | I mean... I have a house grf written. It just needs sprites. |
| 12:35 | <fjb> | frosch123: I care for the name as much as for the set. :-) |
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| 12:35 | <fjb> | Irwe does a great job. And you can see that he paints his houses on his own. It is well documented in the thread. |
| 12:36 | <planetmaker> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=859581#p859581 <--- I agrre, fjb, but... :-) |
| 12:37 | <fjb> | And SAC got things from other sets for her use. That will give her problems if she tries to release her set one day. |
| 12:41 | <fjb> | The few things which are taken from INFRA can be redrawn. And some things look like the same even if drawn independently at that scale. |
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| 12:44 | <Jolteon> | INFRA is hot. |
| 12:44 | <Jolteon> | The model of IKEA she did is <3 |
| 12:45 | <planetmaker> | and unavailable till further notice ;-) |
| 12:46 | <fjb> | SAC and MB should marry. |
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| 13:10 | <Ammler> | well, as long as she claims credits only, it doesn't hurt, it is even a valid thing. |
| 13:11 | <Ammler> | she could also be a bit rude and ask for removing her work... |
| 13:12 | <fjb> | Irwe already gave credits in the readme. |
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| 13:27 | <Eoin> | swedish houses is sexy |
| 13:28 | <PeterT> | Extremely |
| 13:29 | <planetmaker> | possibly the nicest looking house newgrf around :-) |
| 13:31 | <ccfreak2k> | They do look nice. |
| 13:31 | <ccfreak2k> | The lightpoles/flagpoles/whateverpoles are visually jarring, but other than that they're great. |
| 13:31 | <Eoin> | i do wish everyone would agree to release graphics under one "license" |
| 13:31 | <Eoin> | like pick-n-mix :D |
| 13:33 | <planetmaker> | :-) |
| 13:34 | <Eoin> | hell |
| 13:34 | * | planetmaker considers to "steal" Swedish houses and put them into OpenGFX as arctic versions |
| 13:34 | <Eoin> | i think the only grfs i ever drew |
| 13:34 | <Eoin> | one is in that british rail set |
| 13:34 | <Eoin> | one was in the world plane set |
| 13:34 | <Eoin> | dunno if it still is :P |
| 13:39 | <Terkhen> | which order would be best for sorting cargos? I'm thinking about showing cargos with a passenger class first, then cargos with a mail class and all other cargos afterwards (each group sorted by name) |
| 13:39 | <Terkhen> | or maybe just sorting by cargo name is simpler? |
| 13:39 | <Terkhen> | http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/screenshots/sorted_cargos_standard.png <-- right now it looks this way |
| 13:41 | <frosch123> | or sort them by the payment value on the left |
| 13:43 | <frosch123> | but, i never looks at those graphs :) |
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| 13:45 | <Terkhen> | that would be another feature, right now I want to make simpler to select cargo types |
| 13:45 | <Terkhen> | the filter by cargo dropdown at the build vehicle window would use the same sorted list |
| 13:45 | <andythenorth> | Terkhen: your png makes sense |
| 13:46 | <andythenorth> | PAX, mail, others a-Z |
| 13:46 | <frosch123> | and tourists? after pax or with the rest? |
| 13:48 | <Terkhen> | before or after passengers, depending on the exact strings |
| 13:49 | <frosch123> | ok, that would put the cargos i hardly ever transport at the top :) |
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| 13:51 | <Terkhen> | http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/screenshots/sorted_cargos_firs.png |
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| 13:52 | <planetmaker> | that looks nice :-) |
| 13:52 | <frosch123> | yup :) |
| 13:52 | <planetmaker> | except: the y-axis scaling is poor |
| 13:55 | <Terkhen> | as a side effect it removes special cargos from the graph too (regearing) |
| 13:58 | <andythenorth> | how does it do that? |
| 13:59 | <Terkhen> | all cargos with a special cargo class are ignored |
| 13:59 | <andythenorth> | nice |
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| 14:08 | <Alberth> | fonsinchen: my debug output says: dbg: [misc] frozen not in linkstat list. don't know how long ago |
| 14:09 | <PeterT> | fonsinchen: huge desync |
| 14:09 | <Alberth> | planetmaker: y axis scaling was bad already :p |
| 14:10 | <planetmaker> | Alberth, I know :-) I just wanted to bring it up as a small nudge ;-) |
| 14:10 | <frosch123> | esp. because the y axis scaling is only caused by "It's a bit arbitrary, but it makes the cargo payment graph look a little * nicer (...)" |
| 14:10 | <Alberth> | planetmaker: you're too late: FS#3726 :) |
| 14:11 | <planetmaker> | :-) |
| 14:11 | <planetmaker> | frosch123, oh, that sounds... scary :-) |
| 14:12 | <frosch123> | well, the problem seems to be that the graph cannot scale more than 1 unit per pixel, so if the highest payment is 150 and the window is 500 pixels high you get 350 unused pixels |
| 14:14 | <frosch123> | btw. the graph gui is not scalable, so it is only your fault by adding so many cargos :p |
| 14:14 | <@Rubidium> | the screenshot of FS#3726 is kinda fishy |
| 14:15 | <frosch123> | what's wrong with it? |
| 14:15 | <@Rubidium> | why is the amount of money 100,000 dollars on that date? It looks like he just started the game to make the screenshot, but then he should have 200,000 dollars (or 100,000 pounds) |
| 14:15 | <planetmaker> | Rubidium, not with a custom $ |
| 14:16 | <planetmaker> | My "DM" are also the same number as pounds |
| 14:18 | <frosch123> | then it's a "PM" |
| 14:18 | <planetmaker> | :-D |
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| 14:20 | <Alberth> | we had some very nice graph some time back, with a black background iirc |
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| 14:33 | <Terkhen> | I remember an ancient patch like that too, the graphs looked nice |
| 14:33 | <OwenS> | Black background would be an awesome improvement |
| 14:34 | <Terkhen> | coal would become invisible then |
| 14:34 | <OwenS> | Recolour it |
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| 14:39 | <Terkhen> | to what colour? it must be a colour that will never be used for any other cargos, to avoid confusions |
| 14:40 | <frosch123> | the old grey :p |
| 14:40 | <andythenorth> | colours are defined by newgrf anyway |
| 14:40 | <Terkhen> | true :P |
| 14:41 | <andythenorth> | the rest of the GUI is grey, leave it grey ;) |
| 14:48 | <SmatZ__> | the HDD failed today was bought 11.07.2005 |
| 14:48 | <SmatZ__> | and it has 5 years warranty :) |
| 14:48 | <OwenS> | SmatZ__: 5 years? Jeeze |
| 14:48 | <OwenS> | My failed HD only had a 3 year warranty |
| 14:49 | <SmatZ__> | :( |
| 14:49 | <OwenS> | And was 3y3m |
| 14:49 | <SmatZ__> | :-( |
| 14:49 | <OwenS> | Meh |
| 14:49 | <OwenS> | 3 years is a good life for a HDD used as intensively as it was |
| 14:52 | <+glx> | SmatZ__: you're lucky it seems :) |
| 14:52 | <SmatZ__> | hehe :) |
| 15:04 | <fonsinchen> | what, desync? |
| 15:04 | <fonsinchen> | where? |
| 15:05 | <fonsinchen> | petert, have you been disconnected by desync? |
| 15:05 | <planetmaker> | fonsinchen, at 20:07: |
| 15:05 | <planetmaker> | <Tycoon> *** alberth has left the game (connection lost) |
| 15:05 | <planetmaker> | <Tycoon> *** BlueEagle_NL has left the game (desync error) |
| 15:05 | <planetmaker> | <Tycoon> *** Fab has left the game (desync error) |
| 15:05 | <planetmaker> | <Tycoon> *** Zuuu has left the game (desync error) |
| 15:05 | <planetmaker> | <Tycoon> *** Kogut has left the game (desync error) |
| 15:06 | <planetmaker> | you were even online... |
| 15:06 | <fonsinchen> | I didn't notice it ... |
| 15:06 | <fonsinchen> | does the server autosave? |
| 15:06 | <planetmaker> | scroll up in the channel. Some were not, including you |
| 15:06 | <planetmaker> | IIRC yes |
| 15:10 | <@Rubidium> | okay, now for something totally insane... do the ones that desync have a relatively slow computer and the ones that don't a relatively fast computer? |
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| 15:11 | <fonsinchen> | I just was desynced myself. My computer is definitely not slow |
| 15:13 | <@Rubidium> | it's just a hypothesis that the thread is reading something it shouldn't read (anymore), or writing something it shouldn't write (yet) |
| 15:13 | <fonsinchen> | The thread and the main games operate on completely separate data sets |
| 15:13 | <fonsinchen> | that was never a problem |
| 15:14 | <fonsinchen> | Last time the problem was that I had a > operation on pointers somewhere |
| 15:14 | <planetmaker> | right now everyone desynced anyway |
| 15:16 | <Alberth> | was the desync caused by me? |
| 15:17 | <fonsinchen> | How should you cause it? |
| 15:17 | <@Rubidium> | Alberth: partly |
| 15:17 | <planetmaker> | Alberth, how could you? |
| 15:17 | <planetmaker> | How dare you?! ;-) |
| 15:17 | <Alberth> | I just closed the app |
| 15:17 | <Alberth> | planetmaker: was it not a test-game? :p |
| 15:18 | <planetmaker> | dev server implies test game. Kind of :-) |
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| 15:18 | <@Rubidium> | Alberth: partly because you need at least an unpaused server for desyncs :) |
| 15:19 | <Alberth> | :) |
| 15:19 | <planetmaker> | Alberth, so it was really you playing there, right? :-) |
| 15:19 | * | Alberth denies everything |
| 15:19 | <planetmaker> | I wondered as I seem to remember that alberth there saying he was a newbie ;-) |
| 15:19 | <fonsinchen> | well, I'm off |
| 15:19 | <Alberth> | I am, never played a MP game |
| 15:19 | <planetmaker> | :-) |
| 15:19 | <planetmaker> | good night, fonsinchen |
| 15:20 | <Alberth> | and your rules URL was vanished before I could memorize it |
| 15:20 | <planetmaker> | it's a dev server. The typcial coop rules don't apply |
| 15:21 | <planetmaker> | just the common sense multiplayer rules |
| 15:21 | <planetmaker> | "don't be evil" basically ;-) |
| 15:21 | <Alberth> | I guessed as much :) |
| 15:21 | <Alberth> | next time I want to join a company with another player, and build some stuff together |
| 15:22 | <planetmaker> | fonsinchen, did you download the savegames which you need? If the server continues to run, they might get overwritten after some time |
| 15:22 | <planetmaker> | Alberth, that's in principle also possible on the dev server. At least that's what I do there, too :-) |
| 15:22 | <planetmaker> | Building alone is boring ;-) |
| 15:23 | <Alberth> | in that sense it was a bad game :( |
| 15:25 | <planetmaker> | Well... :-) There are more coop-ish games around, even those which are not hardcore style #coop games |
| 15:26 | <@Rubidium> | planetmaker: I hope that you ran some logging, like when people connected and the commands that were executed so you can reproduce it :) |
| 15:26 | <planetmaker> | My personal preference on our public server is a game like: one common ICE network and then small groups of people (or also single people) taking charge of a region |
| 15:26 | <planetmaker> | Rubidium, it's an unpatched server... :-( |
| 15:27 | <PeterT> | fonsinchen: No, I was not |
| 15:27 | <PeterT> | I wasn't even in-game |
| 15:27 | <OwenS> | planetmaker: That is also my favorite game mode |
| 15:27 | <PeterT> | I was in the IRC chanenl though |
| 15:27 | <OwenS> | planetmaker: Actually, that would be really interesting with cargodist |
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| 15:28 | <Alberth> | planetmaker: let's try something like that when we encounter each other in a MP game |
| 15:28 | <planetmaker> | sure. I'd love to! :-) |
| 15:28 | <planetmaker> | About Easter? :-) |
| 15:28 | <OwenS> | Alberth: Or join the #openttdcoop main server some time? :P |
| 15:28 | <planetmaker> | ^ Sometimes we run that there. Then I play :-) |
| 15:28 | <@Rubidium> | planetmaker: -d desync<something> IIRC, readme tells |
| 15:28 | <OwenS> | (BTW, when you run ProgSigs on there, turning misc and sl debugging up to 10 will be essential) |
| 15:29 | <OwenS> | -ddesync10 |
| 15:29 | <OwenS> | (So, for progsigs, -dmisc10 -ddesync10 -dsl10) |
| 15:29 | <planetmaker> | Rubidium, I'm actually quite sure it wasn't activated... but I didn't personally start the server |
| 15:30 | <@Rubidium> | OwenS: 9 is more than enough :) |
| 15:30 | <OwenS> | Rubidium: No, progsigs actually spams some info at 10 |
| 15:30 | <@Rubidium> | you added even more levels? |
| 15:30 | <OwenS> | ...I think :p |
| 15:31 | <OwenS> | Nope, 10 |
| 15:31 | <OwenS> | DEBUG(misc, 10, " Executing instruction %d, opcode %d", this->instruction->Id(), this->instruction->Opcode()); |
| 15:32 | <OwenS> | I think debug.h says 10 is the "maximum" though |
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| 15:44 | <George> | Is it possible to make OTTD not to show reserved rail rtacks for trains? |
| 15:45 | <Alberth> | disable the option? |
| 15:45 | <OwenS> | George: its an option off by default |
| 15:45 | <George> | disable the display |
| 15:45 | <George> | It is on for me and I can't find where to make it off |
| 15:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | in interface section of advanced settings, probably |
| 15:46 | <George> | Eddi|zuHause: But where exactly? I've looked there alredy, but did not find |
| 15:47 | <George> | found |
| 15:47 | <PeterT> | A wiki search brings me to http://wiki.openttd.org/Advanced_Settings/Interface |
| 15:47 | <George> | It's the 8-th line |
| 15:48 | <George> | Thank you, missed it from the first look |
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| 15:53 | <Ammler> | Alberth: your mine is gone :-) |
| 15:54 | <Ammler> | ah, transfer |
| 15:55 | <Alberth> | probably yes, have been digging diamonds since the 30's :) |
| 15:56 | <Ammler> | no transfer orders is quite confusing.. |
| 15:56 | <Alberth> | yes, that is one of the flaws imho |
| 15:56 | <Alberth> | being a cargo-dist game, it should do that stuff by itself, I think |
| 15:58 | <Ammler> | it does? |
| 15:58 | <Ammler> | you mean, it shouldn't? |
| 15:59 | <Alberth> | it does not afaik |
| 15:59 | <Ammler> | I desynced, else I would check :-) |
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| 16:06 | <Ammler> | Alberth: you don't need to transfer, so in your example I removed the transfer |
| 16:07 | <Ammler> | now around half will be dropped to the bank at the rail station, the other half transfered for the town with the rvs |
| 16:07 | <Alberth> | oh, just force unloading is enough? |
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| 16:07 | <Ammler> | force unloading isn't needed, either |
| 16:08 | <Alberth> | you built a bridge to the island? |
| 16:08 | <Ammler> | oh, that wasn't you? |
| 16:08 | <Alberth> | hmm, need to do more testing then |
| 16:08 | <Ammler> | :-) |
| 16:09 | <Ammler> | Alberth: http://imagebin.ca/view/oF2_UM.html |
| 16:10 | <Alberth> | ha, the town came to the other side :) |
| 16:10 | <Ammler> | this town has 3 banks |
| 16:11 | <Alberth> | yeah, stupid. same with water towers I noticed. |
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| 16:11 | <planetmaker> | it keeps a cool head over all the money ;-) |
| 16:13 | <Ammler> | such things are quite nice things of cargodist |
| 16:14 | <Ammler> | but it should be a bit more manageable how much will get to the industry there, how much will be transfered |
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| 16:21 | <PeterT> | is FS#3530 going to just sit and idle or is anyone going to do anything about it? |
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| 16:24 | <Alberth> | euhm, does flyspray have such settings at all? |
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| 16:24 | <Alberth> | ie are you not confused with tt-forumsn? |
| 16:24 | <Alberth> | -n |
| 16:25 | <planetmaker> | Alberth, it does. I get the same error |
| 16:25 | <PeterT> | Alberth: Obviously, why else would that task be there? |
| 16:25 | <Alberth> | ah, just found them :) |
| 16:26 | <planetmaker> | not that I looked at that page more than twice before, I think ;-) |
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| 16:28 | <Alberth> | well, given that it is 3 months old, I guess it will not get fixed soon |
| 16:29 | <SmatZ__> | is that openttd bug at all? |
| 16:29 | <Alberth> | it's a FS bug |
| 16:29 | <PeterT> | Most of them are... |
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| 16:30 | * | Alberth thinks most bugs in FS are about openttd, not about FS |
| 16:30 | <planetmaker> | :-) |
| 16:30 | <PeterT> | hehe |
| 16:30 | <planetmaker> | It depends on the ?proj= |
| 16:31 | <planetmaker> | :-D |
| 16:31 | <planetmaker> | Flyspray still has the category "Webtranslator 2" |
| 16:31 | <planetmaker> | rather project |
| 16:31 | <Alberth> | we also lost the publication of FS changes in one of the IRC channels a time ago. I once asked about that, and got as answer that support for that was not available in the newer FS version. I think TB doesn't fancy digging around in the FS code too much. |
| 16:32 | <PeterT> | that would be neat |
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| 16:32 | <PeterT> | #openttd.bugs |
| 16:32 | <planetmaker> | .notice |
| 16:32 | <Alberth> | (at least, I think it is TB that set it up, but I am not sure about that) |
| 16:33 | <Alberth> | PeterT: we had that |
| 16:33 | <planetmaker> | I recall Rb messing around with it... but who knows :-) |
| 16:33 | <PeterT> | andythenorth: Nice HEQS trams |
| 16:42 | <@Rubidium> | planetmaker: messing with what? |
| 16:42 | <planetmaker> | flyspray |
| 16:42 | <planetmaker> | the statement was: you know it better than TB |
| 16:42 | <@Rubidium> | oh, I rather not |
| 16:43 | <planetmaker> | and no one wants to do it, yes :-) |
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| 18:03 | <Terkhen> | good night |
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| 22:03 | <Wizzleby> | question for any familliar with building openttd on osx, is the crazy CFLAG setting in config.lib really necessary? Are there certain parts that are more wanted than others? |
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| 22:04 | <Wizzleby> | s:familliar:familiar: |
| 22:05 | <+glx> | you just need to run configure |
| 22:10 | <Wizzleby> | of that much I am aware, and then CFLAGS gets some oddball settings like -O3 -funroll-loops etc |
| 22:11 | <+glx> | looks like optimisation stuff |
| 22:20 | <Wizzleby> | it is, it's rather agressive use of CFLAGS actually, practically ricing I'd say. For context, I am debugging the ebuild script to work properly with gentoo prefix on an OSX host, and so, unless I patch config.lib to remove that check, those CFLAGS get pulled in to a user's build, which causes failure on some systems |
| 22:22 | <Wizzleby> | the general policy in Gentoo for CFLAGS is to respect the environment that portage passes to the build. But in this case, heavy optimisation is pulled in which can conflict with a user's global CFLAGS |
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| 22:29 | <+glx> | well it's not really the right time to ask as most devs are in CEST time zone |
| 22:30 | <+glx> | and it's time to sleep for me |
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