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---Logopened Wed Mar 31 00:00:12 2010
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04:06<planetmaker>moin moin
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06:43<@Rubidium>heffer: you're the heffer from the Fedora packaging, right?
06:44<@Rubidium> lines 42-44 are not needed anymore and might even disable sound for people having the real
06:45<heffer>Rubidium, great! good news :)
06:45<@Rubidium>(not needed anymore with recent 1.0.0 versions though)
06:45<heffer>so i'll remove that for F-13 and devel
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06:46<heffer>but RPM wouldn't overwrite that file if it was there already, i believe
06:48<@Rubidium>I was more thinking about the case where the right file is in another directory and the size-zero is found first, effectively stopping OpenTTD searching for another in another directory
06:49<heffer>oh okay. anyway. it will be removed if it's not needed. thanks a lot for the hint.
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06:57<Ammler>heffer, don't you package opensfx? (because of license?)
06:57<heffer>Ammler, correct. at least not for the Fedora main repositories
06:57<heffer>i'm thinking about adding it to RPMFusion
06:57<heffer>but I didn't have the time to do so yet
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07:00<Ammler>Rubidium: maybe we should rename opensfx to freesfx and start a new gpl based opensfx :-)
07:00<Ammler>or is it impossible to get gpl samples?
07:01<blathijs>Ammler: Just replace samples in opensfx and switch the license when all of them are replaced?
07:01<blathijs>It's a lot harder, I've been told
07:03<@Rubidium>heffer: next release of OpenGFX and OpenSFX will have a "make check" and includes the expected md5 checksums in the tarball, so you don't need to upload them and "make check" fails if the md5 checksum doesn't match
07:04<@peter1138>just make samples yourself
07:04<planetmaker>actually the expected md5 checksums are already in the source releases. Just in a format which doesn't support md5sum -c filename
07:04<@Rubidium>Ammler: it's not impossible, there just isn't a good source of GPL (or GPL-able) samples... unless you make the samples yourself
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07:06<heffer>so maybe it would be an option to make a completely free sound set in the long term
07:06<heffer>but i see that it would be hard to have one available in the short term
07:07<@Rubidium>given it took years to get these samples together... maybe a good goal for 10.0 :)
07:08<@Rubidium>or for 1.0.0 of OpenSFX
07:09<@Rubidium>the best samples would be samples that can be licensed under both GPL(v2?) and the current license, to make the migration easier
07:09<planetmaker>yep, indeed.
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07:16<Ammler>well, also Fedora/Debian could be less strct against the samples license
07:16<Ammler>might happen earlier ;-)
07:17<blathijs>I sincerely doubt that will happen anytime before hell freezes over :-)
07:17<blathijs>Also, Debian does ship opensfx, but not in their main archive :-)
07:18<Ammler>on the other side, it isn't that bad, if you use mp3 and other restricted formats, you need a kind of 3rd party repo anyway.
07:19<Ammler>I guess, everyone using those distros as desktop has setup that repo.
07:19<blathijs>Ammler: Most people will have, probably. In the case of Debian, it isn't even completely third-party: non-free is supported by the Debian infrastructure as normal, it's just you don't get security support
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07:22<@Rubidium>Ammler: how can Fedora/Debian be less strict? The license disallows commercial use; selling Debian/Fedora CDs, even at cost price, can be considered commercial. So in effect them adding OpenSFX to their main repository forbids people from asking money for making CDs of the whole archive
07:22<Ammler>I once "tested" centos on a server, adding rpmforge was one of the first things I did :-)
07:24<Ammler>Rubidium: then I wonder, if suse will do it :-)
07:26<@Rubidium>Ammler: likely not
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09:40<@Rubidium>roger roger :)
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09:42<Eddi|zuHause>why do i have a robot voice in my head now?
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09:42<Roger>src\blitter\../spritecache.h(15) : warning C4200: nonstandard extension used : zero-sized array in struct/union
09:42<Roger> Cannot generate copy-ctor or copy-assignment operator when UDT contains a zero-sized array
09:42<__ln__>Eddi|zuHause: what does it tell you to do?
09:43<Roger>What is the reason?
09:43<@Rubidium>what version?
09:43<@Rubidium>of both MSDVC and OpenTTD
09:44<Roger>win ce
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09:44<@Rubidium>then I have absolutely no clue
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09:46<+glx>we don't support wince
09:46<@Rubidium>but apparantly the WinCE version of MSVC doesn't like something that normal MSVC supports for eons
09:46<Roger>Windows Mobile 5.0
09:46<+glx>not supported either
09:48<Yexo>on the other hand the fix should be simple, the copy constructor and copy-assignment operator are very likely not used, so defining them with just NOT_REACHED() in them should work
09:49<Roger>What a pity!
09:50<Yexo>Roger: "not supported" doesn't mean "it can't work"
09:51<@Rubidium>just that we don't know how it works :)
09:51<@Rubidium>(or how to fix problems)
09:52<Roger>You said sounds very reasonable..
09:54<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: because that was the first that came up in my mind when seeing roger?
09:58<planetmaker>Roger, otoh: why bother with a version which is... nearly a year old?
09:58<planetmaker>If you compile, you can compile new versions of OpenTTD.
09:58<@Rubidium>planetmaker: probably because he found some diff with wince support or so?
09:59<@Rubidium>planetmaker: i.e.
10:01<@Rubidium>although, I think Roger didn't apply the patch
10:02<Roger>yes,right here
10:02<Roger>random_func.hpp(154) : error C3861
10:02<Roger>core/random_func.hpp(178) : error C2440
10:02<Roger>What did I do wrongly on earth?
10:03<@peter1138>why... 0.7.2-RC2
10:03<@peter1138>i mean, 0.7.5 isn't that much different
10:03<Eddi|zuHause>98% of all patches that apply to 0.7.0 also apply to 0.7.5
10:03<@Rubidium>peter1138: because there is a thread on the forum about openttd + wince + 0.7.2-RC2
10:03<@peter1138>oh dear
10:05<planetmaker>Roger, you might want to grab 1.0.0 in a week or so ;-)
10:05<planetmaker>Then you might even be able to play that online on servers
10:06<@Rubidium>planetmaker: but the patch that he should apply doesn't apply to that
10:06<@Rubidium>although, as I said before, I think he didn't apply the patch and thus gets all kinds of problems
10:06<planetmaker>Rubidium, too bad ;-) Does it need a patch for windows CE?
10:06<@Rubidium>at least the first is definitely fixed by the patch on the forum (for 0.7.2-RC2)
10:07<@Rubidium>Roger: + #pragma warning(disable: 4200) // "nonstandard extension used : zero-sized array in struct/union" as result of VARARRAY_SIZE not having a value
10:08<@Rubidium>you get a warning that is disabled by the patch
10:08<@Rubidium>which kinda implies the patch isn't applied
10:11<@peter1138>or the pragma doesn't work on some versions of the DE
10:11<Roger>oh~ ok,test
10:11<+glx>anyway warnings don't block compilation
10:14<Roger>ok £¬ I try now
10:17<planetmaker>what is all those funny signs you post instead of punctuation characters?
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10:44<Roger>oh~my god~ core/random_func.hpp(154) : error C3861: ¡°OTTD_Random¡±: identifier not found, even with argument-dependent lookup
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12:02<OwenS>"executing cc -dumpmachine" <-- I though you said any C compiler should work. That looks pretty GCC specific
12:05<OwenS>Yesterday. Well, "anything GCC-like". I guess SunCC isn't GCC like enough
12:05<OwenS>(Even though it accepts ~80% of GCC's extensions)
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12:31*OwenS likes nice
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13:06<andythenorth>frosch123: I've had an error report for FIRS, could use some advice (anyone else feel free to chip in!)
13:08<frosch123>i first need to catch the dinner before it gets black :)
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13:16<planetmaker>andythenorth: first thing: is the report correct?
13:17<@Rubidium>andythenorth: the 'again' register/whatever is set to 'do it again' for 10 000 iterations in the action2industries production callback
13:20<frosch123>andythenorth: most likely you did not assign any value to the again register, but assumed it being zeroed. (which it is not)
13:21<frosch123>the bug was then most likely caused by another grf storing something in that temporary register, while in your tests it was unused or so
13:22<andythenorth>planetmaker...I don't know if the report is correct....I guess I have to compile that rev with cargo dist to test :o
13:22<andythenorth>don't know if I'll do that though
13:22<planetmaker>andythenorth: cargodist: don't care.
13:22<planetmaker>RC3: do care :-)
13:23<andythenorth>what frosch123 and Rubidium said makes sense
13:23<andythenorth>I don't assign anything to the again register
13:24<andythenorth>I don't see the bug in my test game. Wonder which grf is assigning something to that register :o
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13:24<planetmaker>uhm... jointly with FIRS? They should be utterly incompatible
13:25<andythenorth>depends if he's swapped them on a save game
13:26<andythenorth>I need to learn how the 'again' thing works anyway, so I'll look at that
13:29<andythenorth>it could even be that FIRS is setting something in that register
13:29<andythenorth>if (.e.g) I use register 00, and the cb sets that to 1 every time it runs....instant unclosed loop
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13:38<andythenorth>frosch123: is the production cb action 2 a 'regular' varaction 2 that I could put advanced operators into?
13:38<andythenorth>I figure not, but worth asking...
13:39<frosch123>the action2 itself is only a action2, but you can do in the chain before whatever you want
13:39<andythenorth>that's fine...I was just trying to avoid shuffling some IDs around :o
13:40*andythenorth Yexo industry debug to the rescue :P
13:40<frosch123>you only need to move the production callback id, and put an advvaract2 in the old place
13:40<andythenorth>got to do it in just a few places
13:41<andythenorth>cb was trying to use register 00, which looks to contain a value of 7FFF!
13:41<andythenorth>so it's probably a valid bug report
13:42<andythenorth>wonder why it hasn't blown up my r19515 game?
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13:44<andythenorth>doh...register != persistent storage
13:44<andythenorth>dunno what's setting register 0 in that case :o
13:45<CIA-6>OpenTTD: translators * r19527 /trunk/src/lang/turkish.txt:
13:45<CIA-6>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-6>OpenTTD: turkish - 3 changes by niw3
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14:25<Zuu>hmm, I realize it is quite stupid to try to test how new buttons work with long-word translations when there is no translation yet. :-)
14:26*andythenorth wonders: milk in tanks, or reefers
14:27<OwenS>The greatest question of our time?
14:28<planetmaker>andythenorth: both :-)
14:28<Zuu>white tanks with black cowish dots? :-)
14:28<andythenorth>reefers have a higher speed limit
14:28<planetmaker>and it depends actually: from a farm: in a tanker. From a the diary: in crates
14:29*andythenorth stops boring the rest of you and plays the game unassisted :)
14:29<planetmaker>Zuu: everyone knows that cows are violett and white!
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14:29<planetmaker>at least since Milka
14:30<Zuu>Never herd of Milka.
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14:30<planetmaker>oh. It's a chocolate brand.
14:30<__ln__>well I have
14:30<planetmaker>And their ads feature cows with violett instead of black
14:30<Zuu>Like this: ?
14:30<planetmaker>it's so popluar that there are even town children who assume that it's the right thing
14:30<Zuu>Eh, ok ok
14:32<planetmaker>it's not the worst chocolate. But not the best either ;-)
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14:33<frosch123>it's nearer the the worst, than to the best
14:33<OwenS>Its American chocolate, what do you expect?
14:34<frosch123>it is?
14:36<andythenorth>my network is pretty awesome.
14:36<@Rubidium>frosch123: Milka is Kraft Foods' best-selling brand of milk chocolate; Kraft Foods' hq is in Northfield, Illinois, US
14:37<andythenorth>hmmm....giant screenshot is a bit big to show off with :o
14:37<OwenS>I wonder if that will change since they bough out Cadbury...
14:37<frosch123>oh, you mean it is owned by an american company. does that make the chocolate american? did they change the receipe?
14:37<OwenS>It was american from the start...
14:37<@Belugas>they added more fat
14:37<Zuu>andythenorth: Nice if you want to crash others webbrowsers.
14:37<frosch123>wiki says swiss
14:38<OwenS>Ooh? Somewhat interesting. somewhat.
14:45<frosch123>[20:39] <Belugas> they added more fat <- actually american chocolate is known to be overdozed sweet
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15:04*Belugas nods
15:04<@Belugas>which is about the same (biologically speaking) as added fat
15:04<@Belugas>WHERE IS MY COFFEE????
15:05*Belugas runs for his mug
15:05<@Rubidium>"real American imitation cheese" ... so it's probably high fructose corn syrup instead of real sugar
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15:15<PeterT>__ln__: You spanish?
15:15<__ln__>PeterT: No.
15:16<PeterT>es = espanol, does it not?
15:16<__ln__>That's right.
15:16<PeterT>Why start a spanish channel if you aren't spanish?
15:16<__ln__>I'm not an Englishman either yet I'm on this channel.
15:17<PeterT>This isn't #openttd.en
15:17<__ln__>This is English Only.
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15:17<PeterT>I'm getting the message that you speak spanish then
15:18<__ln__>Besides, I wasn't even the one who started #openttd-es really.
15:18<frosch123>how about #openttd-cp437 then?
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15:27<OwenS>Or #openttd-utf16, for maximum awkwardness and IRC incompatibility?
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15:29<OwenS>(Actually, my favorite encoding is the rather interesting SCSU)
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15:38<__ln__>Eddi|zuHause: did they dub lost s04e09?
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15:51<PeterT_>would openttd-to-tray be an add-on, or would it need to be programmed in?
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15:52<FauxFaux>Um, wrong window. You can get 3rd-party apps that trayify things, can't you?
15:53<PeterT_>I'll google it
15:53<Zuu>PeterT: Depends on what you want your tray icon to do.
15:54<Zuu>Ie, if it needs to be a part of OpenTTD or if it shall just issue the KILL command to kill OpenTTD when you right click and select quit :-p
15:55<welshdragon>So, in ~12 hours, i predict anopenttd release
15:55<planetmaker>PeterT_: define what OpenTTD-to-tray would offer as opposed to what I don't enjoy now
15:55<Zuu>If you just want to get ride of it from the task bar then you probably will find solutions for that. Or just put it on another desktop.
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15:56<PeterT_>planetmaker: I lost you there, what don't you enjoy?
15:56<welshdragon>i'll wager that, and if i'm right, i'll donate £20 when i can
15:56<PeterT_>welshdragon: yes, if it follows the pattern of the past (major) releases
15:56<PeterT_>Zuu: ok
15:56<planetmaker>[21:51] <PeterT_> would openttd-to-tray be an add-on, or would it need to be programmed in? <-- that
15:57<planetmaker>I wonder what you mean or ask for
15:57<Zuu>I think the tray is the small icons to the down-right in Windows
15:57<Zuu>Or up right in Gnome.
15:57<planetmaker>hm... ah. well.
15:57<PeterT_>OpenTTD-to-tray meaning that you could send OpenTTD to the tray place (Windows)
15:57<planetmaker>it's a matter on how to configure your tray, I'd say
15:57<PeterT_>...and I guess some linux Oses
15:58*andythenorth farms are boring :P
15:58<planetmaker>I'd just drag the application there and it's done...
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15:58<Zuu>That's imho a task for the window manager rather than each application.
15:58<planetmaker>yep ^
15:58<Zuu>And since Windows' window manager is quite lacking of features there is many third party tools to add missing features.
15:59<Zuu>I run two of them at the moment. :-)
16:00*andythenorth deliberately builds an oil refinery in a place that will be hard to build stations for :P
16:01<Zuu>Hmm, intresting trams you got there.
16:02<V453000>what are these
16:02<V453000>never seen such trams
16:03<PeterT_>planetmaker Zuu:
16:03<Prof_Frink>I just tried to scroll the image :(
16:03<PeterT_>V453000: new HEQS(?) trams
16:03<andythenorth>new HEQS trams - will be released when DanMacK sends me some more wagon sprites :)
16:03<PeterT_>I quite like them
16:03<andythenorth>available in a nightly already
16:04<V453000>then we can make the first Tram-only coop game :D
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16:04<planetmaker>PeterT_: I think that's a function of the try, not of OpenTTD
16:05<planetmaker>at most of openttd's installer
16:05*Zuu decides that it would probably be more annoying than usefull if the sign list scrolls to the (in the sign list) selected sign if someone adds/removes/updates a sign.
16:06<Zuu>(I've made the list selection work more like the content download window to hopefully please the devs)
16:08*andythenorth wonders why canals are approximately 19x more expensive than railroad track :o
16:09<andythenorth>and 2x as expensive as lowering the same land to sea level
16:09<andythenorth>seems a bit dim
16:10*andythenorth ponders
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16:10<andythenorth>it would be rude if FISH reset the base cost for building canals yes/no?
16:10<Coco-Banana-Man>andythenorth, is it normal that industry closure aren't being announced in FIRS?
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16:10<andythenorth>for secondary industry?
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16:11<Coco-Banana-Man>I've seen several industries disappearing, but I didn't see any message about it...
16:11<andythenorth>Coco-Banana-Man: they are announced in my test game :o OTTD r19515, FIRS 0.1.1
16:12<andythenorth>Coco-Banana-Man: checked message settings?
16:13<Coco-Banana-Man>yes... but maybe I just didn't see them...
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16:13<Coco-Banana-Man>I've just seen two messages - but I didn't see any yesterday
16:13<andythenorth>The only industries I've coded closure for are (a) primary industries - currently don't close(!) (b) power station
16:13<andythenorth>the rest use default OTTD behaviour
16:14<andythenorth>FWIW, I'm probably going to include parameter to prevent closure of primary and/or secondary industry
16:15<andythenorth>I'm trying to avoid parameter soup with FIRS, but I think that one is worthwhile for some players
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16:20<andythenorth>so industries accepting passengers....
16:20<andythenorth>some of the default industries do it, but only some
16:20<andythenorth>is it a fun extra, or just a bit weird?
16:21<Jolteon>Some industries should accept small amounts of passengers a month
16:21<Jolteon>like 50
16:21<Jolteon>just tours and stuff
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16:21<andythenorth>but they'll never produce that weird?
16:21<andythenorth>I am happy to add it, easy to do :)
16:27<bryjen>soylent green factories?
16:35*Belugas can just imagines employees spending their times fu***ng hard on the back warehouses of industries and making tons of babies as new passengers will be created ...
16:35*Belugas thinks he REALLY needs to go home and sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
16:36<@Belugas>1 sheep, 2 sheeps, 3 sheeps, 4 ships, 5 shit, 6...
16:37*PeterT_ gives Belugas a pillow
16:38<bryjen>really, i figured passengers to/from industries would be the employees. accept people coming to work, supply people going home.
16:40<Zuu>So in a cargod[ei]st setting you could put a pax wagon at the end for the workers to get to work and have the cargo trains stop somewhere where the workers can catch a bus in to town.
16:42<__ln__>@seen ludde
16:42<@DorpsGek>__ln__: I have not seen ludde.
16:42<__ln__>ok, who can answer a technical question about spotify then?
16:42<andythenorth>there is an only produce two cargos, often both are used. So passenger production is often not possible at industries
16:43<andythenorth>acceptance is fine
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16:44<andythenorth>hmm eGRVTS trucks are starting to get a bit large :o
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17:07<CIA-6>OpenTTD: rubidium * r19528 /extra/website/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [Website] -Update: the about, download and links pages
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17:14<Eddi|zuHause><__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: did they dub lost s04e09? <-- how should i know? most likely yes...
17:14<__ln__>Eddi|zuHause: i mean, it was like at least 33% spanish.
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17:21<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: in lost, they subtitle the foreign language sections
17:22<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: same as in english
17:23<Eddi|zuHause>of course, i have no idea what s04e09 is about...
17:23<Eddi|zuHause>that was two years ago, man...
17:29<__ln__>Eddi|zuHause: oops, sorry, i meant s06e09, much more recent.
17:29<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: that has not been dubbed yet
17:29<__ln__>lim 4 = 6, t->oo
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17:30<Eddi|zuHause>"for large values of 4 and small values of 6"
17:40<Zuu>PeterT: Did you yet get spotify in the states?
17:40<Zuu>Other than getting a pay-account in another country.
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17:47<Zuu>The wiki lies, Cygwin can also make bundles...
17:50<Ammler>Zuu: you can't blame the wiki, only yourself ;-)
17:51<Zuu>Why should I blame myself?
17:51<Ammler>oh, sorry, the page might protected :-)
17:52<Ammler>but usually, wiki has a edit button
17:52<Zuu>It's not protected, I'll probably add a note that you do not *must* have msys installed if you have cygwin already.
17:54<Zuu>In the last versions they even added a search function to the setup.exe so you don't manually have to find which package to install/remove in the big tree. :-)
17:56<Zuu>While the tree is not as big as eg. Debian, it is still a broad selection of packages.
17:56<Ammler> <-- why don't I find it?
17:56<Zuu>Because I'm making some estern sandwitches.
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17:58*Belugas is hungry
17:58<welshdragon>so, just over an hour until april fool's
17:59<Ammler>Nobody else troubles with the midi plugin on tt-forums?
17:59<@Rubidium>welshdragon: and you're going to fool us by getting the Welsh translation done?
18:00<welshdragon>Rubidium: nope :P
18:00<@Rubidium>anyhow, time flies: Day changed to 01 Apr 2010
18:01<Zuu>Ammler: There, now you can't blame me anymore. Though I'm not that much a fanboy of cygwin that I would write a complete guide of how to set up a Cygwin environment for compiling OpenTTD just to combat MSYS. :-)
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18:02<Ammler>I thought, there was already such a page
18:03<Zuu>Then shouldn't that show up on your search?
18:03<Zuu>has shown up*
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18:05<Ammler>does that midi plugin work for you?
18:05<CIA-6>OpenTTD: rubidium * r19529 /branches/1.0/ (9 files in 7 dirs):
18:05<CIA-6>OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk:
18:05<CIA-6>OpenTTD: - Fix: Network clients would crash while connecting to a server with AIs (r19526)
18:05<CIA-6>OpenTTD: - Fix: [NPF] Crash when finding a waypoint before finding the closest depot [FS#3703] (r19460)
18:05<Zuu>Nope, the windows media player thing that show up in tt-forums do not work for me. I always has to click on the link.
18:06<Ammler>I see just a big black box
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18:06<Ammler>and sometimes, the browser crahes
18:06<Zuu>Sounds like the mplayer browser plugin or something - no controls, nothing.
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18:12<CIA-6>OpenTTD: rubidium * r19530 /tags/1.0.0/ (9 files in 4 dirs): -Release: 1.0.0, oh yes... finally it's April fool's day!
18:13<Zuu>Good boy, tagging it also on the right day.
18:14<@Rubidium>I always tag it on the right day
18:14<@Rubidium>could've done it 6 hours ago and assume I was in Japan :)
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18:15<Zuu>hmm, tags.txt at shows: "12526 2008-03-31 0.6.0
18:15<@Rubidium>Zuu: that's using UTC
18:15<@Rubidium>or whatever timezone it fancies :)
18:16<Zuu>hehe, that'ts what I was aiming at.
18:16<@Rubidium>i.e. finger will show this one on the 31st too
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18:17<@peter1138>23:12? :s
18:17<Zuu>Isn't it 22:12 in UTC now that we got summer time?
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18:18<Zuu>Or is the server at GMT+1 in the summer?
18:18<@peter1138>2010-03-31 22:12 is not much of an april fool timestamp
18:19<@Rubidium>r19530 | rubidium | 2010-04-01 00:12:30 +0200 (Thu, 01 Apr 2010) | 2 lines
18:19<@Rubidium>-Release: 1.0.0, oh yes... finally it's April fool's day!
18:19<@Rubidium>it is for me!
18:19<+glx>for me too
18:20<@Rubidium>nevertheless, it's never April fool's day everywhere
18:20<Terkhen>00:12 for me too :P
18:21<PeterT>Zuu: Yes, I get spotify in the states
18:22<@peter1138>r19530 | rubidium | 2010-03-31 23:12:30 +0100 (Wed, 31 Mar 2010) | 2 lines
18:22<PeterT>also, 1.0 out?
18:22<Eoin>PeterT read the notes will ya
18:22<Zuu>PeterT: define "out"
18:22<Eoin>Release: 1.0.0, oh yes... finally it's April fool's day!
18:22<@peter1138>it's the march 31st release :D
18:22<PeterT>Eoin: just got here :-P
18:23<@Rubidium>peter1138: well... happy birthday then!
18:23<Zuu>PeterT: Nice, didn't knew I had to get the pay-version when I went to Canada last summer to keep it working over there for more than 14 days without finding a proxy to bridge it trough.
18:23<KenjiE20>Rubidium: wouldn't it be April Fool's everywhere at exactly 1200UTC ?
18:23<PeterT>You need a proxy?
18:24<@Rubidium>KenjiE20: no, there's some +14 or -14 timezone
18:24<Zuu>PeterT: Not in Sweden, but in Canada last summer you needed it in Canada to get access to Spotify.
18:24<KenjiE20>yea, their weird
18:24<PeterT>Oh right
18:25<PeterT>the US and Canada are silly because of their RIAA laws and such
18:25<@Rubidium>KenjiE20: Howland Island is in UTC-12, Kiribati (the republic) is in UTC+14
18:25<PeterT>anyway, I'm off again
18:25<Eddi|zuHause><Rubidium> nevertheless, it's never April fool's day everywhere <-- on sites like /. you always find comments like "but it isn't April's Fools yet!!"
18:26<Zuu>Well, we got our share of IPRED and FRA laws now so they could store and analyze our tele/data traffic as well.
18:26<Ammler>the "fool" is more believeable, if some parts of the globe take it serious.
18:26<@Rubidium>and for fun: Kiribati and French Polynesia have the same time on their clock, only the date differs
18:27<@Rubidium>(or Hawaii)
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18:31<Eoin>youtube april fools joke is go :D
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18:33<Eddi|zuHause>Eoin: what's the joke?
18:33<Eoin>they just happen to totally change the design today?
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18:43<Eddi|zuHause>seems to be an english-only thing
18:44<Terkhen>good night
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18:45<OwenS>Eoin: Looks like just another Google April 1st launch
18:46<Eddi|zuHause>Eoin: i still don't see the "joke"
18:47<Eoin>i looked into
18:47<Eoin>its not paril fools
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18:49<Eddi|zuHause>"Eigentlich wollte ich als Aprilscherz ein Wordpress-CSS machen hier, aber leider ging das Internet im Hotel nicht. Denkt euch das also bitte selber dazu :-)" <- an april's fool "light" :)
18:50<PeterT>woo 1.0.0 installed!
18:54<Zuu>PeterT: Are you going to set up the firt 1.0.0 server before the binaries are pushed out, just to be first?
18:54<Luukland>someone else did that already :P
18:54<Luukland>he is 2nd
18:55<Luukland>his moment of the year, blinked one time too much :P
18:58<@Rubidium>first 1.0.0 server? Then you're like 50 minutes too late
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19:02<@Rubidium>just the website is a bit slow to update itself (read: trash its cache and build a new page)
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19:03<Eoin>[00:00] <@Q> [FFM`Eoin] has earned the achievement [Leased Line]!
19:03<Eoin>Quakenet gave me an acheivment
19:05<Eddi|zuHause>[Notice] -Q- ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: [15] Dialup [...] [20] Away From Keyboard
19:06<Eoin>Q has a wow channel
19:06<Eoin>with a raid bot
19:14<Zuu>Night all
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19:16<PeterT>Zuu: No, that's Luukland
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19:33<CIA-6>OpenTTD: rubidium * r19531 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Merge: documentation updates from 1.0
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19:52-!-glx changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.0 | Website: * (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only
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20:07<chaos95>wait, it's here? it's out? :D
20:07<Eddi|zuHause>no, it's an april's fools joke
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20:17<aber>that reminds me of deleting the openttd binaries i published...
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20:27<PeterT>chaos95: yes
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20:42<aber>about 100 downloads, not to bad... one thanks and one crash...
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21:02<Morloth>Congrats guys! :)
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