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01:16 | <Mazur> | BBC4 had a interesting documentary about the African "Freedom" railway. yesterday. Watched some during my late dinner, |
01:20 | * | Mazur saw a copper pick up, a maize farm, Chinese locs and lots of not hurried people on this string and bean operation. |
01:21 | <Mazur> | Unfortunately, I missed most of it, I'd hoped for inspirations. |
01:21 | <Mazur> | Good morning, by the way. |
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03:05 | <dih> | morning |
03:12 | <Alberth> | moin |
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04:14 | <@peter1138> | wtf |
04:15 | <@peter1138> | my xterm had dead pixels... |
04:15 | <Noldo> | o_O |
04:19 | <Terkhen> | good morning |
04:20 | <SpComb> | peter1138: terminal emulators are more difficult than you might think |
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04:34 | <@peter1138> | "Something caused Stopmotion to exit abnormally last time it was runned." |
04:34 | <@peter1138> | ahh... |
04:39 | <@peter1138> | kill -9 `ps ax | grep vgrabbj | grep -v grep | cut -b 0-5` |
04:39 | <@peter1138> | wow, this programmer's clever... |
04:40 | <@peter1138> | `pidof vgrabbj` is presumably too hard... |
04:41 | <Alberth> | not to mention asking nicely to a program to stop running :) |
04:42 | <Alberth> | or using killall vgrabbj :) |
04:42 | <@peter1138> | yeah |
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06:10 | <nicholas_> | parlez vous francais? |
06:10 | <dih> | english! |
06:10 | <nicholas_> | ok |
06:10 | <nicholas_> | i speak english lol |
06:11 | * | dih did an 'ln' ^^ |
06:13 | <Goulp> | il y a quelques français ici, but they speak english as requested in the channel title |
06:14 | <TrueBrain> | je ne parle pas francais! Ich spreche keine Deutch! Ik spreek geen Nederlands! I don't speak English! |
06:14 | <TrueBrain> | whoho |
06:14 | <nicholas_> | i love trains |
06:14 | <Goulp> | TrueBrain: but you may understand some of them... |
06:15 | <TrueBrain> | just some? :p |
06:15 | <Goulp> | up to you :D |
06:15 | <Goulp> | should i say many instead ? |
06:16 | <TrueBrain> | I understand all of those 4 languages, that is the joke .. sigh .. nevermind |
06:16 | <nicholas_> | je suis le fromage |
06:17 | <Goulp> | beeing cheese can be dangerous about smelling |
06:17 | <@peter1138> | mmm, cheese |
06:20 | <Eddi|zuHause> | bäh, cheese |
06:22 | <nicholas_> | does anyone speak C++ ? |
06:23 | <Alberth> | not native |
06:23 | <TrueBrain> | fluent! |
06:25 | <Goulp> | i can write some C++ |
06:25 | <dih> | ; |
06:26 | <__ln___> | nicholas_: btw, it's spelled "français". |
06:26 | <Goulp> | fran what ? |
06:26 | <dih> | "french ice"? |
06:28 | <TrueBrain> | rather italian ice |
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07:02 | <erani_> | hmm. who posted a link to some game's website day before yesterday? it was some odd puzzle game that was ported to linux recently |
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07:03 | <Alberth> | http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/last <-- this site knows |
07:05 | <erani> | ah, terrific. thanks! |
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08:14 | <IPG> | QO |
08:15 | <IPG> | \O |
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08:42 | <oskari89> | !seen DanMacK |
08:42 | <oskari89> | @seen DanMacK |
08:42 | <@DorpsGek> | oskari89: DanMacK was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all |
08:42 | <oskari89> | Wrong channel, sorry. |
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10:00 | <@Belugas> | hello |
10:06 | <Mazur> | Hello. |
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10:08 | <@Belugas> | hello Mazur |
10:08 | <Mazur> | Likewise to you, Belugas. |
10:11 | <Mazur> | I wonder, since OpenGFX, -MSX and -SFX are required, unless you have the original for some of these, why the first ever try to run OpenTTD doesn't offer to download them from BaNaNaS, itself? |
10:11 | <@Rubidium> | Mazur: how to visualise the offer? |
10:12 | <Mazur> | Well, there you have a point, sir. |
10:12 | <planetmaker> | Mazur, OpenMSX and OpenSFX are not required... |
10:12 | <Mazur> | Ah, my mistake. |
10:13 | <planetmaker> | And as for OpenGFX: how to display anything without graphics... (that includes font) |
10:13 | <Mazur> | Half-remembered lines from websites all over the web, which still state you need the original this and that to play. |
10:14 | <Eddi|zuHause> | planetmaker: on windows, a standard dialog window like for the help could be done |
10:14 | <planetmaker> | Eddi|zuHause, I guess it *could* be done for others, too. |
10:14 | <@Rubidium> | Eddi|zuHause: but... Windows has the installer already |
10:14 | <planetmaker> | I've seen those dialogues... even within OpenTTD code. |
10:14 | <@Rubidium> | so the use case for Windows is rather limited |
10:15 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes, but never underestimate the dumbness of the user |
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10:16 | <Mazur> | I only half remember from my linux experience, when I first wanted to try the game, some time back. |
10:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | anyway, you could say that this is the responsibility of the package mangager |
10:17 | <Mazur> | And then went to look on the web for resolutions, came across numerous sites staing (only) you needed the original somethings, and then downloaded a pirated copy. |
10:17 | <Mazur> | Fired it up, and discovered htey were not needed, after all. |
10:17 | <Eddi|zuHause> | *psst* |
10:18 | <Mazur> | Glad to be rid of that other stuff. |
10:19 | <+glx> | you just found outdated sites ;) |
10:19 | <Mazur> | Yup. |
10:19 | <Mazur> | But I did not know that. |
10:19 | <Mazur> | :-) |
10:19 | <Mazur> | I think even Wikipedia is outdated on that score. |
10:20 | <Mazur> | But don;t quote me on that. |
10:20 | <+glx> | of course, 1.0.0 is less than 1 month old |
10:20 | <Mazur> | So am I. |
10:20 | <Mazur> | As a player. |
10:20 | <Mazur> | :-) |
10:20 | <planetmaker> | see how out-dated you are :-P |
10:21 | <Mazur> | Terribly, and don;t I know it. |
10:21 | <planetmaker> | blessed those who are ignorant ;-) |
10:22 | <Mazur> | Yeah, childhood was bliss on that score.... |
10:22 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the problem with wikipedia is that it does not represent the truth, but the community representation of that truth |
10:22 | <Mazur> | *ponders back* |
10:22 | <Mazur> | True. |
10:22 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and you may not use first hand sources |
10:22 | <Mazur> | No? |
10:23 | <planetmaker> | the latter is the biggest problem. |
10:23 | <planetmaker> | You cannot write as lead developer "it is done that way" |
10:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no, you can't just write an article about yourself just because you know yourself |
10:23 | <planetmaker> | ^ |
10:23 | <Mazur> | Ah, I see. |
10:23 | <planetmaker> | you need a written source which confirms that you're an ego-centric ;-) |
10:23 | <planetmaker> | s/ego-centric/nice person/ :-P |
10:24 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you need a "notable source" for other person's opinion on how they percieve yourself |
10:24 | <Mazur> | Well, as a mwere player, I could updae the WIkiPedia entry. |
10:24 | <Mazur> | -typos |
10:24 | <planetmaker> | if you found a source which supports your changes... |
10:24 | <Eddi|zuHause> | with your spelling, you shouldn't update wikipedia ;) |
10:24 | <Mazur> | That's not spelling, that's typing skills. |
10:25 | <Mazur> | And the difference between a throwaway line in a fugitive system and a more permanent text. |
10:25 | <@Rubidium> | Eddi|zuHause: it's even worse; if some paper/magazine writes something incorrect that is admissable for the OpenTTD page. If I write something about OpenTTD it's not considered a "verifiable" source... |
10:25 | <Eddi|zuHause> | anyway, as "a mere player" you are again a primary source, not a secondary source, no mention of notability either |
10:26 | <Mazur> | I can direct to hte Wiki as a primary source. |
10:26 | <planetmaker> | It's not a primary source either... |
10:26 | <@Rubidium> | "According to a study of the activity of the 61,154 open source projects on SourceForge in the period 1999-2005 OpenTTD is 8th most active patch/contribution receiving open source project." <- I think that is really utter bullshit, yet for Wikipedia it's proving notability and it's verifiable |
10:26 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Rubidium: yes, you need to get the magazine to revoke/correct the untrue artikle |
10:26 | <planetmaker> | anyone could change that ;-) |
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10:27 | <@Rubidium> | Mazur: primary sources are "worthless" for Wikipedia |
10:27 | <planetmaker> | what would be true actually? number one active community? :-) |
10:27 | <Eddi|zuHause> | largest channel on oftc ;) |
10:28 | <planetmaker> | :-) really? I never compare(d) |
10:28 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no, not entirely |
10:28 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there's some debian stuff as well |
10:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but i think in the beginning that was the case |
10:29 | <@Rubidium> | planetmaker: apparantly we received 874 patches in two years, which I think is quite a lot |
10:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but it's probably a really useless statistics ;) |
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10:32 | <@Rubidium> | changelog.txt for that period is not even that long |
10:32 | <Eddi|zuHause> | 83% of all statistics are made up on the spot |
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10:34 | <@Rubidium> | and a rough estimate would be that one in 5-10 commits would have been a contributed patch |
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10:35 | <@Rubidium> | unless... language updates are considered "contributed" patches |
10:38 | <planetmaker> | hm... :-) it'd be interesting to know how they came up with that number. |
10:38 | <planetmaker> | But yeah... if "contributed" = showed up in forum it's believable. |
10:40 | <@Rubidium> | planetmaker: purely sf stuff |
10:40 | <planetmaker> | hehe |
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11:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | .. i hate that Civ4 does not group savegames by name of mod used... |
11:05 | <@Rubidium> | neither does OpenTTD |
11:05 | <@peter1138> | i'm going to assume that civ4 doesn't just load the correct mods... |
11:09 | <Eddi|zuHause> | an openttd mod for civ4 ;( |
11:09 | <Eddi|zuHause> | ;) |
11:10 | <Eddi|zuHause> | ;) |
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11:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | err... where did that second smilie come from? |
11:13 | <planetmaker> | Long decay constant |
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11:14 | <@Rubidium> | the up arrow and enter key being quite close together? Then accidentally pressing both |
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11:15 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no... more like both keypresses ending up in the wrong window |
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13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: translators * r19737 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: |
13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: catalan - 2 changes by arnau |
13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: irish - 424 changes by tem |
13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: maltese - 105 changes by kelinu, peter88823 |
13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: polish - 14 changes by xaxa |
13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: romanian - 28 changes by kkmic |
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13:58 | <Nite_Owl> | Hello all |
14:01 | <Alberth> | evening |
14:01 | <Nite_Owl> | Hello Alberth |
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14:28 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r19738 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_debug_gui.cpp saveload/waypoint_sl.cpp): -Fix: MSVC 64 bits compile warnings |
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14:35 | <planetmaker> | Terkhen: compilation of FISH does not work due to the missing file :-) |
14:36 | <planetmaker> | probably just a forgotten hg add sprites/pcx/some-hovercraft.pcx or so |
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14:36 | <andythenorth> | FISH now fixed |
14:36 | <andythenorth> | my bad :( |
14:36 | <andythenorth> | sorry |
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14:38 | <Terkhen> | it's working now, thank you for the quick fix :) |
14:43 | <andythenorth> | should never have happened ;) |
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14:50 | <planetmaker> | andythenorth: btw, I started to add newgrf development related stuff to the wiki as sub-pages on http://wiki.openttd.org/Graphics_Development |
14:50 | <DJNekkid> | is text/stringcode 01 (x offset) in pixels or in "space" chars? |
14:52 | <DJNekkid> | DJNekkid: pixels :) |
14:54 | <Alberth> | that is something else than SETX, I hope |
14:56 | <DJNekkid> | someone called it "setx" in the 2ccset bugreport |
15:04 | <Alberth> | hmm, perhaps it still exists in NewGRF. SETX got removed from the string system in OpenTTD quite a while ago. |
15:07 | <planetmaker> | Alberth: afaik it still exists |
15:07 | <Alberth> | yeah, you just cannot enter it anymore in a string in the languages. |
15:10 | <DJNekkid> | unless we are talking about something completely different things, it do work... |
15:11 | <DJNekkid> | -1 * 0 04 00 LANG_ID \b1 \b*2000 01 21 "2100" 00 |
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15:12 | <DJNekkid> | where the "01 21" shifts the text x21 pixels to the right |
15:12 | <Alberth> | DJNekkid: we do speak about the same thing, just in different context. You use it in a NewGRF, while I had a string in a language file in mind. In the latter, it got removed. |
15:13 | <Alberth> | DJNekkid: too bad not all characters have the same size. |
15:13 | <Alberth> | *of different fonts* |
15:13 | <DJNekkid> | but it shifts it pixels :) |
15:14 | <Alberth> | as long as you use it for outlining graphics, it's fine I guess :) |
15:14 | <Alberth> | *aligning |
15:14 | <DJNekkid> | well, i guess you also know how the 2cc set have its p-list sprites? |
15:15 | <DJNekkid> | that is what i use it for :) |
15:15 | <Alberth> | no, I don't even know what a p-list sprite is :) |
15:15 | <DJNekkid> | purchaselist :) |
15:15 | <Nite_Owl> | Got to fly - later all |
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15:16 | <Alberth> | ah |
15:16 | <@Rubidium> | yeah, you should use "setx" there (stringcode 01) |
15:17 | <Alberth> | and you make sure all graphics have the same width. That should be fine. |
15:17 | <@Rubidium> | same width isn't necessary IIRC |
15:17 | <@Rubidium> | although it might give some side effects |
15:18 | <Alberth> | using it also has side effects, different NewGRF authors have different ideas about such width. |
15:19 | <Ammler> | grfcodec -c :-) |
15:20 | <Ammler> | DJNekkid: you might need to use the sprite flag (+0x40) |
15:22 | <planetmaker> | uh, yes. |
15:23 | <planetmaker> | though I'm not sure wether I activated it there... |
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17:04 | <@Belugas> | and here we leave out for the day! |
17:04 | <@Belugas> | night all |
17:04 | <@Rubidium> | nightynight Belugas |
17:05 | <@Belugas> | u2 Sir |
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17:13 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r19739 /extra/website/general/utils/version.py: [Website] -Fix: all releases would be shown as "latest" |
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17:57 | <Terkhen> | good night |
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21:11 | <mynetdude> | is there any way in the cfg or in console to override how long bridges can be? |
21:11 | <PeterT> | yes |
21:12 | <PeterT> | in console it is... |
21:12 | <PeterT> | set long_bridges on or off, I think |
21:12 | <mynetdude> | can it be unlimited lengths? |
21:12 | <PeterT> | If I recall correctly... |
21:13 | <PeterT> | mynetdude: http://wiki.openttd.org/Longer_bridges |
21:14 | <mynetdude> | thx |
21:14 | <PeterT> | yw |
21:15 | <Eddi|zuHause> | depending on your value of "unlimited", i believe the limit is bigger than the size of a standard map ;) |
21:15 | <mynetdude> | 100 tiles max on long bridges my map is 1024x768 |
21:16 | <mynetdude> | err 1024x1024 map |
21:16 | <mynetdude> | default is 16 tiles |
21:16 | <mynetdude> | I want to create bridges over 400 tiles long |
21:17 | <mynetdude> | no worries there are work arounds |
21:18 | <+glx> | you want to bridge over water? |
21:19 | <mynetdude> | long ways over water |
21:20 | <mynetdude> | well over land/water combo |
21:20 | <+glx> | you can still build small islands ;) |
21:20 | <mynetdude> | trying to minimize track sloping as much as possible |
21:20 | <mynetdude> | yeah true |
21:20 | <+glx> | when done correctly there are no slopes |
21:21 | <mynetdude> | well the elevation has to be the same between two points |
21:21 | <mynetdude> | in order ot not have slopes |
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21:22 | <mynetdude> | I created a "sort of" switchback in one of my maps, switchbacks have slopes which wasn't too bad |
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