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03:33<Terkhen>good morning
03:39<borgfish>hi
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04:58<planetmaker>g'day
05:01<borgfish>oi
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06:38<@Rubidium>Wizzleby: lol... and *now* they hardmask 0.7.5?!?
06:39<@Rubidium>seriously... what *ARE* they thinking?
06:40<@Rubidium>waiting a fracking 4 months to stabilise 0.7.5 and not hardmasking 0.7.3, and days after stabilising 0.7.5 they hardmask it even though the reasons for hardmasking were known a month ago
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06:50<SmatZ>0.7.3 should be certainly masked
06:51<Noldo>who's doing what?
06:51<@Rubidium>Gentoo is being stupid
06:51<Noldo>lovely
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09:21<@Belugas>hello
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09:23<Ammler>Heya
09:24<Ammler>who does need r19884 and how does it decide, which language to install?
09:24<+glx>Ammler: all languages are in the .desktop
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09:26<Ammler>ah I see, my build broke because of the "icon fix"
09:29<Ammler>what is bad about "Icon=!!TTD!!"?
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09:36<norbert79>Good day
09:37<__ln__>relatively good, yes
09:39<planetmaker>good day it is indeed
09:39<planetmaker>lots'a cake and strawberries and ice cream around here.
09:42*Belugas looks at planetmaker and wonder how to steal it all withouth been noticed
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09:45<+glx>Ammler: you added it ?
09:45<Ammler>glx: "fixed" Icon=openttd :-)
09:46<Ammler>so it works also if you have another binary name
09:46<Ammler>as the icons are saved with binary name
09:46<+glx>!! stuff is replaced via a sed
09:46<planetmaker>Belugas, it wouldn't matter :-)
09:47<planetmaker>Two collegues had their birthday. And there's plenty of left-over ;-)
09:47<@Belugas>ho...
09:48<@Belugas>so... i just have to come over, i guess ;)
09:48<Ammler>I also wonder, why it needs to be Versin 1.1, as no rpm distro supports it and no 1.1 feature is used.
09:48<planetmaker>Belugas, correct :-D
09:50<Ammler>(maybe that changed with the translateable comments...)
09:51<+glx>no the only change is the comment
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09:53<Ammler>glx: yes, but if you change desktop file and probably break patches, why not fix the others things in the same time
09:53<Ammler>so I need to "update" the fix
09:54<+glx>http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/19884#file2 <-- that's the only change
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09:54<+glx>and translations are added after the Comment line
09:56<Ammler>that is just moving the Comment to bottom, useless, isn't?
09:56<+glx>that way all Comments are grouped so not useless
09:58<Ammler>just cosmetic :-P
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09:59<Ammler>which broke my patch
10:02<Ammler>would be something else, if I could also trash my "fix"...
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10:13<@Rubidium>Ammler: a major difference is that 1.1 declares the file encoded as UTF-8, 1.0 is vague about that
10:14<Ammler>well, the version will be fixed by the distro script, I don't patch that anymore.
10:15<Ammler>but the icon is imo a bug.
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10:22<@Rubidium>no idea about the icon and/or what the bug with it is
10:24<Ammler>icons are installed with binary name, but the icon there is always openttd"
10:24<Ammler>works mostly as ususally you don't change the binary name
10:25<+glx>why change binary name?
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10:29<@Rubidium>because he wants to package a lot of different versions :)
10:29<Eddi|zuHause>is that only me? i can't determine what's going on based on Ammler's description...
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10:36<Weeknie>I return at last
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10:39<Weeknie1>test?
10:39<Weeknie1>Ah good, nvm
10:39<borgfish>ping
10:39<Weeknie1>Thanks borgfish;)
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10:46<Ammler>glx: ask the dev, who added that to the Makefile :-)
10:47<Ammler>Eddi|zuHause: primary I just stated that the change was silly, as it doesn't change functionality but breaks patches
10:48<Ammler>sometimes, someone can do too much cosmetic :-)
10:49<Eddi|zuHause>yes, but un-changing it now breaks everybody's adapted patches ;)
10:49<Eddi|zuHause>although, you're probably the only person in the world who has such a patch :p
10:51<Ammler>well, building openttdcoop packages is also nice for testing trunk on build system
10:53<Ammler>interesting is also the patch command seems not to work everywhere same: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=openttdcoop&project=home%3Aopenttdcoop#
10:54<Ammler>Fedora uses fuzz=0 and suse fuzz=2
10:55<Eddi|zuHause>that's a matter of defaults, isn't it?
10:56<Ammler>I assume so
10:58<@Rubidium>then... don't depend on defaults :)
10:59<Ammler>well, the client patch pack now is already some revisions old, I wonder, it still works :-P
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11:00<Eddi|zuHause>AmbiguityError: missing question word near "I wonder, [...]"
11:01<Ammler>that?*
11:01<Eddi|zuHause>"that" is not a question word
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11:01<Ammler>:-)
11:01<Eddi|zuHause>suitible entries are: "whether" or "how"
11:01<Eddi|zuHause>or "why"
11:02<Eddi|zuHause>if you want to use "that", you shouldn't use "wonder"
11:03<planetmaker>"I wonder that it still works" is IMHO an acceptable statement
11:03<planetmaker>with the meaning of "I'm surprised that..."
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13:16<Wolf01>evening
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13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: translators * r19899 /trunk/src/lang/ (hebrew.txt polish.txt unfinished/irish.txt):
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: hebrew - 2 changes by dnd_man
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: irish - 60 changes by tem
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: polish - 2 changes by silver_777
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13:51<@Belugas>fucking meeting... could not get out of the office at noon for boobs watching :(
13:57<frosch123>what?
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14:13<andythenorth>evening
14:13*andythenorth is too busy for pixels :P
14:13<andythenorth>new government makes for a busy andythenorth
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14:32<Markk>Is pupil (As a student) only used in british english?
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14:48<lennard> /win 62
14:59<@Belugas>frosch123, you know... big new lens, with big zoom on it... outside... hot... girls walking by... you know...
15:00<@Belugas>BOOBS!
15:00<SpComb>Belugas: windows
15:01<frosch123>oh, i thought there would be some earthquake-summoning event in montreal or so
15:03<@Belugas>naaaa... although some ladies are equiped to cause heartquake :)
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15:04<@Belugas>SpComb, 6th floor, but i can still get some delightful views through windows :)
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15:37<fjb>Moin
15:41<Alberth>hello
15:45<__ln__>haj
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16:24*andythenorth wonders how to do the road entrances/exits for petrol stations :o
16:25<Alberth>one pixel at a time
16:25<andythenorth>k fanks bai
16:26<andythenorth>petrol stations will look silly if there is no road junction piece for the entrance / exits
16:26<Alberth>yeah, I was thinking the same
16:27<Alberth>no idea how to fix that
16:27<andythenorth>I could check the tiles, but it will lead to very few placement opportunities
16:27<Alberth>I assume you cannot define custom road bits?
16:27<andythenorth>I assume not
16:27<andythenorth>I've seen no spec for it
16:27<andythenorth>easiest route: no petrol stations :P
16:28<Alberth>me neither, but that means very little
16:29<andythenorth>hmm
16:29<andythenorth>does frosch123 know? :)
16:29<Alberth>no road entrance/exits
16:29<Alberth>we have no cars anyway :)
16:30<Alberth>hmm, petrol stop for buses/trucks :)
16:30<andythenorth>drive-through industries?
16:30<@Rubidium>there is somewhat of a spec for road on rail stations, but besides that... nothing
16:30<@Rubidium>drive through houses have been requested
16:30*andythenorth ponders a graphical cheat
16:31<andythenorth>could just use a big sprite overlying a road and always place industry S of the nearest road
16:31<andythenorth>will cause glitches with vehicles though :|
16:32<andythenorth>drive-through houses?
16:32<Yexo>IIRC george had the same problem with petrol stations
16:33<andythenorth>TTRS has the issue
16:33<Yexo>there is a feature request somewhere on FS to add a property/callback to houses to build road bits on the connecting roads
16:33<andythenorth>that would make sense
16:33<andythenorth>would towns try and clean them up though?
16:35<frosch123>that would have to test the same property, wouldn't it?
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16:36<frosch123>i am not that familiar with town growing, but i guess towns do no build houses in front of road, so the house would need to trigger that
16:37<andythenorth>sounds complicated :P
16:37<andythenorth>no petrol stations == easiest ?
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16:53<Wolf01>'night
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17:33<@Belugas>nigth
17:35<@Rubidium>caoi
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18:36<andythenorth>bai :P
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19:45*Rubidium wonders what is messing up bahn.de in finding a decent route
19:47<@Rubidium>Enschede-Hengelo-Rheine-Oberhausen-Utrecht-Rotterdam in just a little under 5 hours instead of the *direct* Enschede-Rotterdam train that takes just 2.5 hours
19:48<Eddi|zuHause>maybe it isn't optimised for out-of-country routes?
19:51<@Rubidium>apparantly
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19:55<@Rubidium>I wish I could say: I don't want to go via that station in bahn.de
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19:56<Eddi|zuHause>i wish i had a new computer...
19:58<Coco-Banana-Man>hm
19:58<Coco-Banana-Man>I'm getting Enschede - Utrecht - Rotterdam and Enschede - Amersfoort - Rotterdam...
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