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---Logopened Sat May 29 00:00:07 2010
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01:36*andythenorth wonders "when is it time for a break from the game?"
01:40<Eddi|zuHause>what? blasphemy!!
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02:35*andythenorth tries some game
02:36*Alberth assumes 'some' == OpenTTD
02:38*andythenorth clarifies that Alberth is correct
02:39<Alberth>phew :)
02:39<Alberth>good morning btw :)
02:40<andythenorth>hi hi
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02:59<SystemFailure>Hot Wet Vag1na Videos!! http://www.twivert.com/o/hPYi
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03:22<@Rubidium>yes, OFTC's system to prevent that has definitely failed
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05:20<fjb>Moin
05:20<Mazur>Morn.
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08:00<OsteHovel>now i got a pack of 32bpp sprites... are they suposed to be in /data/sprites/ (and folders for each grf it replaces) ?
08:01<Ammler>just in data
08:01<OsteHovel>ok ;)
08:01<Ammler>(the tars should have folder sprites/<grf> in it
08:02<OsteHovel>aaah
08:02<OsteHovel>omg
08:02<OsteHovel>im not suposed to extract them,...
08:02*OsteHovel suchs a idiot
08:04<Ammler>yes, no need, but you can
08:06<OsteHovel>i dont get it to work so it must be something im doing wrong...
08:06<OsteHovel>gonna try with a siple small tar
08:07<Ammler>you need to enable the blitter, thee is a wiki page about...
08:07<Ammler>also a lot tt-forums threads
08:07<OsteHovel>this one right: blitter = 32bpp-optimized
08:07<OsteHovel>in the [misc] part of the openttd.cfg
08:09<OsteHovel>im trying to get this siple file working: http://ostehovel.ostsoft.net/files/openttd/gui4.tar
08:10<Ammler>that is outdated
08:10<Ammler>using openttdw.grf
08:10<OsteHovel>yaya but see the bright spot it worked ;)
08:10<Ammler>you might need a openttd version from that time
08:10<OsteHovel>everything exept that one spirte got replaced
08:10<OsteHovel>the rest of the toolbar got replaced )
08:12<Ammler>because that is from trg1r.grf, which doesn't change...
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08:38<__ln__>http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/09/123_52401.html
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08:48<z-MaTRiX>hey-ho
08:48<OsteHovel>stuff looks so cool in 32bpp ;)
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08:55<andythenorth>any chance of FS #3822 ?
08:55<andythenorth>http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3822
08:55<andythenorth>I'll bake cookies if so
08:55*PeterT bakes andythenorth
08:55<andythenorth>(cookies will look and taste somewhat like code for industry clustering)
08:56<PeterT>you haven't learned that asking will only delay you?
08:56<PeterT>they will get to it eventually ;-)
08:57<Alberth>Its author seems to be busy with other things atm
08:57<andythenorth>PeterT: asking rarely does delay it
08:58<andythenorth>quite often asking nicely seems to work
08:59<andythenorth>the patch is tested and works (in single player, haven't tried MP)
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09:01<frosch123>it lacks doxygen comments
09:02<andythenorth>:|
09:02*andythenorth could add those?
09:02<frosch123>already did
09:02<andythenorth>:)
09:08*andythenorth prepares cookie mix
09:08<andythenorth>but later!
09:08<andythenorth>bye
09:09<CIA-2>OpenTTD: frosch * r19901 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Add: [NewGRF] Access to industry founder (var A7) during callbacks 28 and 2F. (yexo)
09:09<@Rubidium>aren't those cookies stale on the 19th?
09:10<frosch123>the time it takes to prepare them depends on the amount. i.e. he would first have to order some kg of chocolate and such
09:10<planetmaker>there'll be new ones
09:10<planetmaker>meat cookies :-P
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10:20<Terkhen>hello
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12:14<DJNekkid>hi guys. Anyone who is driving windows Vista or earlier who can send me mspaint.exe ?
12:14<SmatZ>win7 dropped mspaint?
12:14<SmatZ>I can send you czech version, if you don't mind...
12:15<Forked>I have mspaint.exe in win7
12:15<DJNekkid>win7 have mspaint, but its "broken" compared to is predesessor
12:15<DJNekkid>and a czech version is ok :)
12:16<DJNekkid>but forked is sending me a russian version :)
12:16<DJNekkid>(i think)
12:16<Forked>let me find it..
12:16<PeterT>would you prefer an english version?
12:16<DJNekkid>any old mspaint.exe would hopefully work :)
12:17<PeterT>I didn't find it very broken :-P
12:17<DJNekkid>the text isnt important :)
12:17<fjb>Chinese version would look funnier.
12:17<PeterT>well, being able to read it helps :-)
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12:18<DJNekkid>thanx SmatZ
12:18<DJNekkid>i'll get back to you PeterT if i need an english one
12:19<SmatZ>:)
12:19<PeterT>sure
12:21<DJNekkid>there is ONE function i cant seem to find in the win7 version
12:21<Forked>what function is that?
12:21<DJNekkid>the ability to copy only non-background colors/pixels
12:21<DJNekkid>and paste that on top of an exsisting sprite
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13:44<DJNekkid>probably another stupid question,but is a tile underneeth or to the right of another tile?
13:44<DJNekkid>if that were understandable
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: translators * r19902 /trunk/src/lang/danish.txt:
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: danish - 4 changes by silentStatic
13:46<DJNekkid>hmm
13:46<DJNekkid>underneeth it seems
13:55<frosch123>it was not understandable :)
13:57<DJNekkid>dont matter... i found out :)
14:05<DJNekkid>yey, perfect aligned step1
14:06<DJNekkid>ehm, wrong chan :)
14:13<frosch123>all spammers are in all channels anyway
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14:48<Ammler>[20:47] <Stablean> *** tkjacobsen has left the game (desync error) <-- after newgame
14:49<@Rubidium>still the same thing
14:49<@Rubidium>probably solved in trunk / 1.0.2
14:49<Ammler>oh, ok :-)
14:50<Ammler>silly is, he joined right after desync
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15:18<Eddi|zuHause>hm... song contest
15:18<Eddi|zuHause>is that worth it?
15:19<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Well, its the called the Annual Great British Embarrassment here :p
15:20<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: well, germany got last place twice in the last 5 years, or so :p
15:20<+glx>no result since 1977 here
15:20<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: I think we got last 3 times last 5 :p
15:21<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: well, austria didn't take part in the last 5 years, which always was a safe 12 points
15:22<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Heh. Didn't take part or didn't pass the semifinals?
15:22<Eddi|zuHause>i think didn't take part
15:23<Eddi|zuHause>other fairly safe 12 points usually come from spain (= mallorca) :p
15:23<+glx>the german island ;)
15:23<OwenS>Hehe
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15:24<Eddi|zuHause>but even with those we managed to get last place...
15:24<+glx>I don't even know what is the french song this year
15:24<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Can't have. For a few years we got zero...
15:24<OwenS>Thats right. Even Ireland didn't vote for us
15:25<Eddi|zuHause>the german 12 points often go to turkey
15:25<Eddi|zuHause>except the one time where denmark won
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15:26<OwenS>Its fun that back in the 90s Ireland won so many times they couldn't afford it :p
15:27<+glx>the 1st place is not always goo :)
15:27<+glx>+d
15:27<Eddi|zuHause>i think germany won only once
15:28<OwenS>5 times
15:28<OwenS>You're joint second with the UK for that
15:28<OwenS>Ireland is 1st with 7 wins
15:29<Eddi|zuHause>do you have the list of songs that won?
15:29<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eurovision_Song_Contest_winners
15:29<OwenS>The UK commentary is trying to convince everyone to vote Cyprus, rofl
15:30<+glx>1965 ,... Luxembourg ,..."Poupée de cire, poupée de son" ,...France Gall <-- why did she contest for luxembourg ???
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15:31<OwenS>Yikes... geography fail
15:31<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: it says germany won only in 1982 with "Ein bißchen Frieden", and four times 2nd place
15:32<OwenS>Why did I read France as Germany? Brain needs a slap
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15:33<OwenS>Norway are having fun with the CGI, rofl
15:35<Eddi|zuHause>"Four countries tied for first place at the 1969 Contest. As no tie-break structure was in place, all four were declared joint winners."
15:35<dihedral>i flew my model plane - oh what fun :-)
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15:36<OwenS>In spite of only 5 wins, we have hosted the contest 8 times...
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15:38<Eddi|zuHause>because countries like luxembourg didn't want to host twice in a row?
15:39<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Netherlands, France, Monaco, and Luxembourg. Netherlands have also hosted once on behalf of Israel since it coincided with their rememberance day
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15:55<OwenS>Great British Embarassment time :p
15:55<OwenS>(We are making fools of ourselves on stage ATM :P)
15:55<Eddi|zuHause>yes, i agree ;)
15:55<Eddi|zuHause>far below most of the previous songs...
15:57<OwenS>"DO NOT CALL FOR THE UK - Your vote won't count and may be charged" <-- They really needed to say it? :P
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16:21<Zuu>Oh, andy would be proud, have implemented drag support for Junctioneer so you do no longer need to right click and select the move action to move multi-line points. :-D
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16:23<+glx>Eddi|zuHause, OwenS finally we may have a chance
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16:26<@Rubidium>OwenS: your country can decrease it's embarassment by stepping out of the magic group that goes to the finals in all cases. In that case you'll be voted out in the semi-finals and not as many people watch that!
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16:40<Eddi|zuHause>:)
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16:43<andythenorth>frosch123: thanks for that earlier commit :)
16:45<Eddi|zuHause>hm... in comparison, i don't like the german song that much...
16:45<Eddi|zuHause>there are a few interesting songs in there...
16:47<frosch123>maybe listen to trio instead?
16:48<Eddi|zuHause>da da da?
16:49<frosch123>anna, berta
16:49<@Rubidium>und milka! :)
16:49<Ammler>This year Swiss participant born on same village as me. :-)
16:49<@Rubidium>or aren't we talking about cows here?
16:49<Ammler>(we are 1400 habitants)
16:49<Eddi|zuHause>"Pech für die Kuh Elsa"
16:50<frosch123>yeah, poor elsa died
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17:09<OwenS>Rubidium: Stepping out of the magic group would require us decreasing our financial contribution. Which would possibly kill it.
17:09<@Rubidium>so it's even more effective!
17:09<OwenS>The BBC provides a heck of a lot of the transmission equipment
17:10<Eoin>Lena to WINNNNNNNNN
17:10<Eoin>:D
17:10<OwenS>Rubidium: But I think we would prefer to decrease our embarassment by making ourselves less embarassing :p
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17:17<Eddi|zuHause>hm... i only have 1.2GB left...
17:17<Eddi|zuHause>i should probably do something about that
17:17<OwenS>Resize the logical volume? :p
17:19<b_jonas>write some of the films to dvds
17:19<OwenS>b_jonas: I have TV show episodes bigger than DVDs :p
17:20<b_jonas>split them
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17:20<Eddi|zuHause>b_jonas: i tried that once, but after only couple of years half the DVDs were bad...
17:20<b_jonas>also, I'll have to make a backup
17:20<OwenS>b_jonas: Besides, I don't have 93 DVD-R-DLs :p
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17:25<OwenS>Its always impressive how quickly Wikipedia is updated once voting concludes :p
17:26<Eoin>omg
17:26<Eoin>denmark sucked
17:26<@Rubidium>can't be worse than the NL
17:27<Eoin>omfg
17:27<Eoin>another 12
17:27<OwenS>Curse you Ireland :p
17:27<OwenS>Oh get on with it Germany
17:28<Eddi|zuHause>only 10 points for turkey...
17:28<OwenS>Indeed
17:28<OwenS>At least not more for Denmark from you :p
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17:29<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: how good is your memory? What is the possible security issue you're talking about in r509?
17:30<Eddi|zuHause>this might get interesting...
17:33<Eddi|zuHause>"et läppert sich"
17:34<OwenS>Germany in the lead? :o
17:35<Eddi|zuHause>never 12 points, but often 6-8
17:35<OwenS>Spoke too soon there :p
17:35<Eddi|zuHause>obviously ;)
17:35<Eddi|zuHause>i jinxed it! :p
17:36<OwenS>In your favor? :p
17:36<Eddi|zuHause>what if i bet against germany winning? :p
17:37<OwenS>You'd only get a couple of pennies anyway :p
17:39<Eddi|zuHause>almost no country has not given any points to germany
17:42<Eddi|zuHause>"the thing on the left is the sun, not a volcano" :p
17:42<OwenS>rofl
17:42<OwenS>Our commentator just complemented the beautiful volcanic ash sunset :p
17:42<Eddi|zuHause>said the german commentator ;)
17:43<OwenS>Also, when we got two points "Look at us! We are racing ahead! 3 more and were in double figures!" :p
17:44<Eddi|zuHause>haha :p
17:44<OwenS>"Again with the Eiffel Tower! Build something else famous! Come on!" :p
17:46<Eddi|zuHause>i'd be very surprised if germany not got 12 points from spain...
17:46<OwenS>You did :p
17:46<OwenS>BBC's stream must be a bit ahead of yours
17:46<Eddi|zuHause>as far as i remember, we never not got 12 points from spain
17:47<OwenS>I've got to say Oslo's interval stuff has been surprisingly unsucky
17:48<TrueBrain>@openttd commit 509
17:48<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: Commit by truelight :: r509 /branches/network (15 files) (2004-11-05 15:24:43 UTC)
17:48<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: -Add: [New Network] Ingame visible text-message (chat and stuff)
17:48<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: -Add: Made possible to draw strings in player-color
17:48<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: -Fix: [New Network] Possible security issue in players.c
17:48<TrueBrain>why on earth do you want to know
17:48<OwenS>Strangely Trac refuses to pull the diff
17:48<TrueBrain>have the same issue, yes
17:49<TrueBrain>Rubidium: most important note is that the commit is in a branch, and never was in any kind of release
17:49<frosch123>OwenS: it is in branch 'network', not trunk
17:49<TrueBrain>frosch123: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/509/
17:49<@Rubidium>I think I made a small mistake when the svn got reimported with branch renamed to branches
17:50<TrueBrain>ah, yes
17:50<TrueBrain>some meta data most likely
17:50<TrueBrain>Rubidium: but why do you want to know?
17:50<@Rubidium>because I rather lose the _current_company = OWNER_NONE in CmdCompanyCtrl
17:50<TrueBrain>something silly could happen under certain conditions
17:52<TrueBrain>I believe it was an issue when holding down the shift
17:52<TrueBrain>no, that was sooner
17:53<TrueBrain>(holding shift caused all network-client commands to be queries :p)
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17:54<OwenS>O_o @ Malta's representative
17:54<Eddi|zuHause>would you quit that damn on-topic talk?!? you're disturbing the discussion ;)
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17:55<TrueBrain>@mode +m
17:55-!-mode/#openttd [+m] by DorpsGek
17:55-!-mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek
17:55<@TrueBrain>solves that issue
17:55<@TrueBrain>damn, I am in one mean mood :p
17:55<@TrueBrain>@mode -m
17:55-!-mode/#openttd [-m] by DorpsGek
17:55<OwenS>rofl
17:55<PeterT>lol
17:55-!-Rubidium changed the topic of #openttd to: ESC
17:56<@Rubidium>so, now we can talk off-topic about OpenTTD again! :)
17:56<@TrueBrain>btw, Rubidium, did you spot the null-reference in r509 players.c? :)
17:56<@Rubidium>no, haven't looked at it thoroughly
17:57<@TrueBrain>if pDoStartupNewPlayer is NULL, it makes a null reference :p
17:57<@Rubidium>only looked at the diff
17:57<@TrueBrain>but I asusme that is fixed :p
17:57<@Rubidium>yes, it is
17:58<@TrueBrain>you are streching my memory here :p
17:59<@Rubidium>I know
17:59<@Rubidium>but a bit of brain training is good
17:59<@Rubidium>hmm, CmdCompanyCtrl is significantly smaller in r509
18:00<@TrueBrain>well, I know myself, so I can tell by the commit log that is was a hypotetical situation
18:01<@Rubidium>looks like you could join as spectator and be "joined"/"put" into the first newly created company
18:02<@TrueBrain>it did anyway
18:03<OwenS>"Who has the X factor in Oslo tonight?" "...this is Eurovision"
18:03<@Rubidium>OwenS: Eddi|zuHause has asked you not to discuss on-topic stuff here
18:04<OwenS>(For those unaware, X Factor is a UK song competition)
18:04<OwenS>Rubidium: First time I've been told off for being on topic :p
18:05<@TrueBrain>so many bugs I find which I wonder how I could have missed them :p
18:05<@TrueBrain>I was young back then :p
18:05<Eoin>who said that OwenS
18:05<OwenS>Eoin: First, one of the points announcers; Second, our commentator
18:05<Eoin>GERMANY WON
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18:06<OwenS>Eoin: Its official? :P
18:06<OwenS>"Gosh, Moldova looks lovely. Its got a wall in it"
18:06<@TrueBrain>Rubidium: I have no clue why that line was required
18:07<Eddi|zuHause>how great that you commented it in an immediately understandable fashion :p
18:07<@TrueBrain>good chance it was me being too pedantic
18:08<Eoin>THE UK GOT POINTS
18:08<OwenS>"We are in double figures ladies and gentlemen! isn't it amazing?!" :P
18:08<@Rubidium>can't find any reason in the called functions why _current_company needed to be set either
18:08<Eoin>ROFLLLLLLLL
18:08<Eoin>WE JUST GOT PWNT
18:09<@TrueBrain>@kick Eoin talking in capitals all the time is annoying, at least
18:09-!-Eoin was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [talking in capitals all the time is annoying, at least]
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18:09<@TrueBrain>@kban Eoin 3600 talking in capitals all the time is annoying, at least (no-auto-return)
18:09-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] by DorpsGek
18:09-!-Eoin was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [talking in capitals all the time is annoying, at least (no-auto-return)]
18:09<OwenS>An hour a bit OTT? :p
18:10<@TrueBrain>hmm .. should have been 1 minute
18:10*PeterT disables auto-return, for the love of God
18:10<@TrueBrain>guess I forgot the input was in minutes :p
18:10<OwenS>Wait... You banned him for 60 hours? XD
18:10<@TrueBrain>no
18:10<PeterT>3600 seconds?
18:10<PeterT>that's not 60 hours
18:10<@TrueBrain>input was minutes, and I thought it was seconds
18:10<@TrueBrain>so I typed 60, which clearly is an hour
18:10<@TrueBrain>back off topic
18:11<@TrueBrain>Rubidium: remove it and see what happens?
18:11<OwenS>PeterT: He said "minutes", I thought kban took minutes :p
18:11-!-mode/#openttd [-b *!eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] by TrueBrain
18:13<@TrueBrain>Rubidium: as far as I can trace my memory (go figure), it had to do that some commands were executed as player instead of in the non-world, and that this could potentially avoid that problem
18:13<@TrueBrain>just, if it worked at all, it is a very unclean solution
18:15<@TrueBrain>Rubidium: to conclude, no sub-function should care if the _current_player is NONE or not .. and if the current code has the same assumption .. well :)
18:15<@TrueBrain>k, nuff said about this :)
18:16-!-TrueBrain changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | Continental breakfast only | Don't ask to ask, just ask
18:16<@TrueBrain>OwenS: floor is yours
18:16<OwenS>Haha
18:16<Sacro>hmm, why was Eoin banned?
18:16<OwenS>Continental breakfast only? :s
18:16<OwenS>TrueBrain: ESC is nearly over anyway :p
18:16<PeterT>TrueBrain: I quit enjoyed this, thank you
18:16<PeterT>*quite
18:16<@TrueBrain>"spuit elf geeft ook modder"
18:16<Sacro>oh, spamming
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18:17<Eoin>i never even noticed i was banned lol
18:17<@TrueBrain>the ban was just to avoid your auto-return thingy
18:17<@TrueBrain>which defeats the idea of a kick
18:17<PeterT>so the idea of a kick is to make the person work by writing "/join #channel" to get back in?
18:17<OwenS>TrueBrain: Depends. Some channels I've been kicked from in jest :p
18:18<@TrueBrain>PeterT: no, to make them aware they were kicked; some clients otherwise do not even report the kick
18:18<Eoin>i have auto return on?
18:18<Eoin>never knew
18:18<ccfreak2k>Eoin, it's default on in some clients.
18:18<OwenS>TrueBrain: They'd see the @kick line
18:18<@TrueBrain>one of those 'features' in clients which makes another
18:18<@TrueBrain>'feature' obsolete
18:18<PeterT>TrueBrain: I see. I've disabled my kick_rejoin
18:18<@TrueBrain>OwenS: they go on the mental ignore :p
18:18<@TrueBrain>@kick PeterT of course I need to test that
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18:19<@TrueBrain>that he just asked for
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18:19<PeterT>it works!
18:19<PeterT>:D
18:20<PeterT>OwenS: @kick is only if you have a supybot like DorpsGek
18:22<OwenS>PeterT: Sure. But I'm refering to #openttd specifically
18:22<@TrueBrain>OwenS: did you know that 'ban after auto-return after kick' is part of the IRC etiquette nowedays? :)
18:23<@TrueBrain>then again, it also says not to kick users if they beg for it
18:24<OwenS>TrueBrain: I suppose I'll have to adopt my official solution: Only ever get kicked in jest :p
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18:25<@TrueBrain>sounds like a plan ;)
18:28<Eddi|zuHause>depends on your definition of "beg" :p
18:28<Eddi|zuHause>hm... this file is 9.7GB...
18:29<@TrueBrain>hmm .. can I define this as a beg? :p :p
18:29<@TrueBrain>ps: won't fit on a FAT32 filesystem :p
18:29<Eddi|zuHause>i think it's ext3
18:29<OwenS>Is ext4 stable yet? :p
18:30<Eddi|zuHause>i believe they declared it stable, not sure if it actually is ;)
18:30<@TrueBrain>depends on your definition of "stable" :p
18:30<Eddi|zuHause>but i'm on an old kernel
18:31<@Rubidium>I've not experienced any problems with it since the cooling paste has been removed
18:31<Eddi|zuHause>so apparently "stable" was after 2.6.25
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19:09<Katje_>Ihave a multiplayer question, where do you set difficult settings and advanced settings
19:10<__ln__>congratulations germany!
19:10<PeterT>Katje_: can you elaborate on that?
19:11<PeterT>starting a server, using rcon, or what?
19:13<Zuu>Katje_: If it is a game that has not yet started the settings you should tweak are in openttd.cfg
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19:14<Zuu>If you want, you can use OpenTTD in non-dedicated mode to edit the config and then quit and start it as a dedicated server if that is how you want to host the server.
19:14<Katje_>the bits normally controlled in "Advanced settings" and "difficulty (custom)"
19:14<Katje_>in single player
19:14<PeterT>Are you starting a server?
19:14<PeterT>or are you remotely controlling a server?
19:14<Katje_>that is my aim
19:15<PeterT>which?!
19:15<Katje_>starting a server
19:15<Katje_>and playing
19:15<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: easiest is if you prepare a savegame on single player, and upload that to the server
19:15<Katje_>aah
19:16<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: otherwise, you have to adjust stuff by hand in openttd.cfg
19:16<Katje_>ok
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19:19<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: the weird part about that is, i don't find the song that great...
19:20<__ln__>it's not the best song ever, but i thought it was quite nice
19:20<Katje_>where would I find the openttd.cfg ?
19:20<Zuu>I though it was normal that one is not liking the winning song.
19:20<PeterT>Katje_: readme.txt
19:20<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: in the readme.txt
19:21<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: and only after you ran openttd once and exit properly
19:21<Zuu>Katje_: Or use the find file tools of your operating system. But reading the readme.txt is a good thing anyways.
19:21<Katje_>hmm, thats not easy to find either, I wonder where debian hides it
19:21<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: or just put your single player cfg on the appropriate place
19:21<Katje_>Zuu: well the wiki sugguests it should be in ~/.openttd/
19:21<Katje_>I can find all my save games
19:21<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: in /usr/share/games?
19:21<Katje_>but nothing else
19:21*__ln__ received a flag of the federal republic of germany as a gift
19:21<Zuu>We said the readme, not the wiki
19:22<Katje_>aah, theres an openttd.cfg in there
19:22<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: well, savegames and config should be at the same place
19:22<@Rubidium>docs in debian go to /usr/share/doc/<package> ; so in this case /usr/share/doc/openttd
19:22<OwenS>Note to self: If your mailing list comment disappears, check you aren't subscribed with an old address
19:23<Zuu>Katje_: What does "locate openttd.cfg" tell you?
19:23<Katje_>I found one in /usr/share/games/openttd
19:23<SmatZ>bash: locate: command not found
19:23<@Rubidium>Zuu: that doesn't work until the next updatedb is ran
19:23<Zuu>Shouldn't that give you rather quickly the file you want.
19:23<Katje_>have copied it to ~/.openttd/
19:23<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: that shouldn't be the right place...
19:23<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: as stuff in /usr shouldn't be writable
19:24<Katje_>hence copying it
19:24<Katje_>this may explain why my settings never stay constant between games
19:24<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: i'd also advise removing
19:25<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: and telling your package maintainer to fix it...
19:25<@Rubidium>openttd.cfg in /usr/share/games/openttd? That's quite unlikely to happen
19:25<Katje_>Rubidium: thats where its hiding...
19:25<@Rubidium>well, unless OpenTTD can't find a $HOME
19:26<Zuu>That would mean that it was put there by the installer/packagemanager?
19:26<Katje_>I have copied it to ~/.openttd/
19:26<Katje_>Zuu: yeah,
19:26<@Rubidium>Zuu: it isn't for me; I've got the Debian package installed, so it isn't the Debian package that's the problem
19:26<Katje_>Rubidium: which version are you using from debian ?
19:27<@Rubidium>1.0.1
19:27<OwenS>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d9/USB_3.0_Icon.svg/500px-USB_3.0_Icon.svg.png <-- Really, Intel/USB Forum, really?
19:27<@Rubidium>though 0.6.2-lenny doesn't have an openttd.cfg either
19:28<@Rubidium>OwenS: why not? "Sehr Schnell"
19:28<Zuu>Isn't there a deb tool that can tell you which package a file comes from?
19:28<OwenS>Rubidium: Indeed. Invoking Godwin's law in a standard logo...
19:28<@Rubidium>there is, just don't know how it's called
19:28<Zuu>Which would also tell if the file was not put there by the package manager.
19:29<Zuu>I don't remember either.
19:29<Terkhen>good night
19:31<@Rubidium>OwenS: where has that law been invoked?
19:31<OwenS>Rubidium: "SS"?
19:31<@Rubidium>because if that's the case... don't talk about the Norwegian railway company either
19:31<OwenS>At least they resisted the temtation to have it lightning style :p
19:32<@Rubidium>poor Swati people...
19:33<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: in germany it is forbidden to mimic nazi symbols
19:33<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: I'm aware of that. Stupid law IMO, but I understand why
19:34<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: well, apparently "freedom of speech" is a lesser good in germany than e.g in america
19:34<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: At least you have a constitution ;-). Ours is all unwritten, and in theory the House of Commons could change it on a whim without oversight
19:35<OwenS>(OK, I suppose the Queen could refuse to sign it)
19:36<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: technically, we have a constitution that is not "active", but not really invalidated either. and another constitution that isn't a constitution and says it should be turned into a real constitution
19:36<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: then why does maps.google.de use swastika's?
19:36<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: rofl
19:36<OwenS>(The House of Lords is supposed to oversee them... But in the 20s the Commons passed a bill that allows them to go around the lords. How did they do this? They threattened to get the then King to stuff the Lords with people to get the vote passed anyway)
19:36<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: At least yours doesn't involve trawling 400 year old court cases
19:37<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: some of our laws date back to pre-napoleonic times
19:38<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: I think some of ours date back to the 12th century. We certainly have some laws written in french
19:38<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: and with the history of throwing everything around, it gets pretty messy
19:38<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: there have been extensive court discussions on which parts of which constitution actually apply ;)
19:39<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Well, at least you have some form of real constitution. Not one the government can just decide "We're gonna rewrite this bit today"
19:39<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: and the outcome certainly contained the words "parts of the 1918 constitution still apply"
19:40<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: well, we have that kind of government, too, but at least it is defined that it needs a 2/3 majority in the parliament
19:41<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Majority only here. And you know what our parliments are like...
19:42<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: well, the last time your king ruled without parliament is a little further away than our last dictatorship
19:42<OwenS>True
19:42<Eddi|zuHause>several parts in our semi-constitution have been written especially with the events of 1933 in mind
19:42<OwenS>And at least the Queen can refuse to sign a law here if the need arises
19:43<Eddi|zuHause>well, our president has the same right
19:43<Katje_>am I right in thinking when generating a map, if I remember the seed, I will always get the same map ?
19:43<Eddi|zuHause>that actually did happen a few years ago
19:43<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: yes and no
19:43<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Is your president elected?
19:44<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: things may change depending on loaded newgrfs and other settings
19:44<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: yes, but not directly
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19:44<Katje_>but if all other settings remain the same
19:44<Katje_>the map will be the same each time?
19:44<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: I think its kind of good that our checks and balances (Lords, Queen) aren't affiliated with a political party
19:45<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: it's some weirdly convoluted scheme between the "Bundesrat" [representation of individual governments] and the "Bundestag" [parliament]
19:45<OwenS>Hehe
19:45<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: yes
19:45<Eddi|zuHause>Katje_: PS: game version is also relevant
19:46<Katje_>ok
19:46<b_jonas>a parliment building for cities?
19:47<Eddi|zuHause>b_jonas: possible via newgrf
19:47<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: I also like that your constitution only allows declaration of war for defensive purposes
19:47<Eddi|zuHause>b_jonas: pikka once introduced the concept of "town halls", but i think he scratched that again
19:47<__ln__>is there something that's not possible via newgrf?
19:47<OwenS>__ln__: 3D
19:48<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: they recently had a very wide definition of "defensive", e.g. in kosovo and afghanistan
19:48<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: resulting in the coined phrase "germany's borders get defended at the hindukush"
19:48<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Don't they fall under the definition of peace keeping?
19:49<OwenS>Certainly Kossovo was under UNMIK
19:49<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: no, theoretically it requires a direct threat against german territory
19:49<OwenS>Eddi|zuHause: Hmm. Perhaps its too tightly defined in my eyes then.
19:49<OwenS>Theres certainly a balance required, as in all things
19:50<Eddi|zuHause>OwenS: the allies wrote that part into our constitution...
19:50<__ln__>Eddi|zuHause: over here the problem is solved by calling those things "crisis", not "war".
19:51<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: yes, they tried that here, too. but they didn't manage to keep that up
19:51<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: in the recent months, they were pressured into calling it a "war" in afghanistan
19:52<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: especially in the aftermath of the bombing of two fuel trucks with hundreds of dead civilians
19:52<Eddi|zuHause>which was kind of a turning point in german involvement in afghanistan
19:53<Eddi|zuHause>that was around a year ago, i think, and cost the "head" of the previous defense minister
19:53<OwenS>The interesting thing is that at this point Afghanistan truely is a peace keeping mission
19:53<Zuu>Katje_: Not sure if the town names will be the same each time though. When I use the 'restart' command, the town names change even if the map is the same as before.
19:54<Eddi|zuHause>Zuu: that might be a bug
19:54<OwenS>Or perhaps "Peace making" or "nation building"
19:54<+glx>Zuu: it should be the same unless number of town changed
19:54<b_jonas>how does that work together with NATO?
19:55<Eddi|zuHause>b_jonas: it caused problems e.g. in bosnia, and iraq
19:55<Katje_>ok
19:55<Katje_>thank you
19:56<Eddi|zuHause>of course being against iraq war was one great way to get reelected back then :p
19:59<Eddi|zuHause>nothing better suited to get reelected than inscenating a natural catastrophe and an instrumentalising an unwanted war ;)
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20:01<Zuu>Never though that it could be a bug. :-p Have worked around that one quite a lot in my AI-testing by using town ids instead of names.
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20:02<Zuu>Good night
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20:14<Eddi|zuHause>* __ln__ received a flag of the federal republic of germany as a gift <-- as longa s it's not one with a circular hole in the middle :p
20:15<__ln__>no holes :)
20:16<Eddi|zuHause>(i'm not sure if people get this reference)
20:17<__ln__>(i think i do, but whether i'm people is up to interpretation)
20:19<__ln__>a german guy here promised to sing something in the middle of the market square if germany wins... and so he did. and another one was waving the german flag, but neither got hardly any attention from passers-by.
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20:24<Katje_>whats the difference to the near end, far end thing in destintions?
20:25<PeterT>only if the train is smaller than the station it goes to
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>the stopping position on the platform
20:25<PeterT>then near end will make it go to the near side, far end to the far side
20:25<PeterT>etc..
20:25<Katje_>right
20:25<Eddi|zuHause>i suggest middle for best eye candy
20:25<Katje_>ok
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21:53<PeterT>huh
21:53<PeterT>* #openttd *!*Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsda1.ma.comcast.net reticulum.oftc.net 1272152844
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21:53<PeterT>from how long ago is this?
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