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00:48<Gabriev>Out of curiosity, does anyone know what version of windows openttd is supporting? I'm wondering because the patch I'm working on would need an API call thats not present on win95. I could fake it but before I invest time in it, I'd like to know if I don't have to :).
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00:56<Gabriev>Nm, I guess I found my answer in stdafx.h
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03:36*andythenorth wishes he'd drawn the Aluminium Plant....differently
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04:05<planetmaker>Gabriev: it supports every windows version
04:05<planetmaker>at least > 3.11
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04:18*Rubidium wonders what he wants to do if that needs OS support
04:25<dih>:-P
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08:14*andythenorth hmms
08:14<andythenorth>user feedback says the Fertiliser Plant is a bit crowded
08:14<andythenorth>I need a tile which is nearly-but-not-quite-empty
08:15<andythenorth>maybe some barrels or something
08:15<andythenorth>or a forklift truck
08:18<andythenorth>planetmaker: Ammler can you tell that the barrels in ISR are indeed barrels?
08:18<andythenorth>(they are in processed cargo platforms submenu)
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09:09<Ammler>andythenorth: I have no idea what are you speaking about :-)
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09:24<Ammler>http://img.openttdcoop.org/images/isrprocess.png
09:31<Belugas>hello
09:31<andythenorth>hi hi
09:42<planetmaker>hi
09:43<Eddi|zuHause>my problem with ISR is that the station graphics are really fancy, but they never show, as no cargo is ever waiting long enough...
09:43<planetmaker>andythenorth, I always found them representing enough of a barrel or stack of barrels for me.
09:43<andythenorth>I've already added them to FIRS anyway, so that's good :)
09:44<planetmaker>actually I find them one of the nicest cargo sprites :-)
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09:46<Eddi|zuHause>imho, station graphics should be dependend on the accumulated cargo of the last month, not the currently waiting month. not sure how that can be achieved
09:48<andythenorth>I would find that a little....weird
09:48<Eddi|zuHause>like i said, there is never any cargo waiting in an efficient network
09:49<Eddi|zuHause>all cargo graphics only ever show boring empty platforms
09:49<andythenorth>it's not very WYSIWYG though :o
09:53<@peter1138>simple enough but you need a lot of memory ;p
10:02<Eddi|zuHause>well, people have been requesting station stats all the time...
10:03<@Rubidium>lies...
10:03<@Rubidium>waypoint stats they requested!
10:07<Eddi|zuHause>it's not a lie, it's an exaggeration
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10:23<Angerslave>hi all
10:24<Angerslave>can someone help me? openttd.org has a real cool page - http://www.openttd.org/en/servers
10:24<Angerslave>is there source code of this, or may be a little bit code of getting information about target server?
10:25<Angerslave>for example, if i want in my blog show something like http://www.openttd.org/en/server/17904
10:25<@Rubidium>the source is in our source code repository
10:25<@Rubidium>under /extra/website or something
10:25<+glx>but the data are get via MSU no?
10:26<@Rubidium>that won't be quite useful for you though as it depends on running the masterserver, which you won't/can't be doing if you want your server to be found by the other players
10:26<@Rubidium>there are some openttd/ottd libraries for different frameworks floating around on the internet
10:27<+glx>anyway there are tools somewhere on the forum :)
10:27<Angerslave>well, my server is open for players (advertise is enabled)
10:28<Angerslave>in the website code i'd not found any actions like this, may be easiest way is to parse server information page
10:28<Angerslave>thx
10:28<+glx>server pages get the data from a database
10:29<+glx>it doesn't ask the servers directly
10:29<@Rubidium>please use something like http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=32659
10:30<@Rubidium>that's in php, but I've seen versions in python, ruby and java too
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10:32<Angerslave>cool thing, thank you very much:)
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10:35<Angerslave>wow, there are some bugs in example, but core class OpenTTDLib works perfect
10:36<@Rubidium>blame dih for that
10:37<Angerslave>dih, great job!
10:40<Angerslave>again thx, impressive community!
10:40<Angerslave>i'm off, bye
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10:47<SpComb>pfft, PHP
10:50<Ammler>myottd.net :-P
10:50<SpComb>much more complex thing
10:50<Ammler>hehe, forwards to tt-forums...
10:51<SpComb>the domain is expiring soon, I'd have to renew it
10:52<Ammler>the idea was nice, sad it wasn't used...
10:53<SpComb>the idea was silly
10:53<SpComb>last thing anybody needs is more OpenTTD servers
10:53<SpComb>perhaps if it would have been a redistributable install-on-your-own-server thing, but it would get ridiculously complicated to configure
10:54<Ammler>I don't agree, there aren't many useful openttd servers...
10:55<Ammler>most are just ideling and are configured for trash
10:56<Ammler>we had quite fast many clients on our stable server and almost all the time.
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11:34<planetmaker>and we have those on the stable one even though we don't spend an aweful lot of time on it.
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12:19<Ammler>servers maintained from us like Brianettas, dihs, or the guys from #tycoon are still a lack :-)
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12:23<slickgoku>hey what's going on
12:25<__ln__>not much... some guy just joined and asked what is going on. that's about all.
12:27<slickgoku>that's very insightful of you
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12:34<andythenorth>there will now be a short intermission
12:34<andythenorth>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=48692
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12:38<slickgoku>cool, now I can watch the little men get hit by trains
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12:42<Belugas>CRAAAAAAAASH
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12:50<slickgoku>so many quiet people on here :D
12:51<frosch123>how flexible should i imagine flexible tracks?
12:52<slickgoku>more flexible than an iron bar but less flexible than a paper towel
12:54<andythenorth>frosch123: approximately as flexible as the reviews say: http://www.brickset.com/detail/?Set=8867-1
12:55*Belugas has some of these at home. Lovely stuff
12:55<KenjiE20>felxitrack will usually bend well inside the minimum curve for it's given gauge
12:55<Belugas>even more than Thomas 's wooden flexible stuff
12:57<frosch123>looks interesting, i thought they were siliconeish
12:59*peter1138 hasn't played with his trainset (openttd) for ages :/
13:04<slickgoku>ha, I just started playing with openttd again for the first time in like 3 years :D
13:05*andythenorth hasn't played ottd for ages
13:05*andythenorth has crashed ottd a lot very recently however
13:05<KenjiE20>this is #openttd, by definition, no one here plays :P
13:06*Belugas has, very recently. But his son prefers SuperTuxkart right now, so...
13:08<slickgoku>so what do we do?
13:08<Belugas>I don't know about your "we", but my "we" keeps on working at work
13:09<slickgoku>work at work? what is this nonsense
13:12<Eddi|zuHause>i'd be expecting that flex tracks are difficult to get fixed after placing them...
13:13<Belugas>it's the kind of nonsens that pay for the house, the wife, the kid, the lenses, the cat, the... need to say more?
13:13<Belugas>Eddi|zuHause, depends on your definition of "get fixed"
13:14<Eddi|zuHause>Belugas: i mean to not have a wibbly-wobbly thing lying on the floor, changing its shape all the time...
13:15<Belugas>ho... by surrounding pressure. i mean.. make the network relatively tight, and squeeze the felx one in
13:16<Belugas>it will stay out quite well
13:17*andythenorth has never had lego trains before so is all new to this
13:20<slickgoku>I never had the cool lego sets either, oh well :/
13:23<Belugas>well... if you never worked at work... no wonder ;)
13:23<Belugas>buwahahahahah!!!
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13:40*Belugas reboots and will be back
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13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: translators * r19916 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt norwegian_bokmal.txt unfinished/urdu.txt):
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: czech - 1 changes by ReisRyos
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 41 changes by jhsoby
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: urdu - 156 changes by zohair
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14:03<slickgoku>is there still a copy and paste feature in TTD or did that go away?
14:04<SmatZ>there has never been (in official release)
14:04<slickgoku>ok so it went away then, ok :)
14:05<SmatZ>it didn't "went away" because it has never been in
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14:06<slickgoku>yea, it went away, it was a nice feature that didn't get included into the 'official' release
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14:12<Ammler>the patch is still around...
14:14<slickgoku>that's what I'm trying to find :/
14:14<@Rubidium>and still buggy/broken
14:14<Terkhen>search for copy/paste at the forums
14:14<@peter1138>should still be there
14:14<@peter1138>^C / ^V
14:15<@peter1138>on windows only
14:15<SmatZ>:)
14:15<slickgoku>ok, I'll try it then, thanks :)
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14:16<@Belugas>haaaa.... "How to Destroy Angels"
14:17<__ln__>@seen Bjarni
14:17<@DorpsGek>__ln__: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 13 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wVADKznOhY <-- wtf. Some rich guy built a trebuchet and uses burning pianos as ammo
14:17<@peter1138>i knew there was something to listen to today...
14:17<@peter1138>hmm, copy & paste should work on os x too
14:17<@peter1138>so it's just us poor linux users ;(
14:18<__ln__>peter1138: what do you say about the eurovision winner's accent?
14:18<@peter1138>euro what?
14:18<__ln__>eurovision song contest
14:18<@peter1138>yeah i know :)
14:18<@peter1138>but i didn't pay any attention to it
14:20<Eddi|zuHause>i'm still not convinced that it was the actually best entry in the contest...
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14:21<__ln__>me neither, but certainly not the worst, and quite a-ok.
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14:22<@Belugas>there is always something to listen to, every day.
14:23<@Belugas>granted, not new
14:23<@Belugas>i love new stuff...
14:24<Eddi|zuHause>we got a lot of 12 points from the nordic states
14:24<@Belugas>"Listen to the sound of my BIG BLACK BOOTS"
14:24<Eddi|zuHause>finland, sweden, norway, denmark i believe. and the baltic states i think
14:25<__ln__>united states of europe
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14:27<Eddi|zuHause>Finland, Estonia, Denmark, Spain, Slovakia, Latvia, Norway, Switzerland and Sweden
14:29<Eddi|zuHause>0 points from Belarus, Israel, Moldova, Georgia and Armenia
14:30<__ln__>Ukraine's song was quite pessimistic.
14:31<Eddi|zuHause>what do you mean?
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14:32<__ln__>the lyrics was something like "the end is coming" ... "people are dying" ... "the world ends" ... not those exact words but that kind of spirit
14:34<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think i understood any of that ;)
14:34<__ln__>btw, we have all the songs subtitled into finnish on tv, so unclear singing is irrelevant.
14:34<Eddi|zuHause>hm... we don't have that
14:35<__ln__>i know, my german guests were surprised about the subtitling
14:36<Eddi|zuHause>but... if germans would care about understanding the songs, they would produce more songs in german...
14:37<__ln__>or maybe the ESC could be dubbed.....
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14:37<Eddi|zuHause>now you're just making fun :p
14:40<__ln__>oh yes
14:42<@Rubidium>isn't that first list a list of countries that has or could have qualified to introduce the Euro as their currency?
14:43<Eddi|zuHause>there was a time, i think in the 60s, called "Deutsche Welle" were they took english songs and translated them to german
14:43<Eddi|zuHause>people have started saying "wtf is that rubbish you're singing?!?"
14:43<Eddi|zuHause>and they stopped doing that...
14:44<Eddi|zuHause>the beatles translated some of their songs theirselves into german
14:44<__ln__>didn't know that
14:44<@Rubidium>"wtf is that rubbish you're singing"-songs still seem to attract a crowd lately, e.g. lordi
14:45<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: yes, but now they're singing that rubbish in english again, so nobody needs to understand it
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14:53<Bluelight>ports
14:53<PeterT>@ports
14:53<@DorpsGek>PeterT: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)
14:54<Bluelight>Hmm.. How did I do the port number again?
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14:54<Bluelight>Ty
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14:55<frosch123>maybe try a different router :p
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15:17<PeterT>am I missing something? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=880792#p880792
15:17<PeterT>or is Riptokus being very whiny?
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15:21<orudge_>PeterT: eh, to be honest, I think your response was slightly harsh
15:21<orudge_>remember, everybody was new once
15:21<PeterT>orudge_
15:21<orudge_>and it isn't always obvious what may be in a config file, or what it may all do
15:22<PeterT>the reason for the response, was because he knew what (we) were talking about
15:22<PeterT>but he wanted it repeated
15:22<PeterT>I think, that's the immpression I got
15:22<orudge_>hm
15:22<orudge_>well
15:22<orudge_>I'm not sure
15:22<orudge_>anyway
15:22<PeterT>orudge_: I'll take out the second part
15:22<orudge_>hopefully everyone can just get on ;)
15:22<PeterT>there
15:23<PeterT>not expecting him to answer, or anything :-)
15:25<andythenorth>:o my train crashed
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15:29<@Rubidium>andythenorth: as long as it isn't a physical train it's not such a big problem
15:29<andythenorth>it is physical
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15:29<andythenorth>it is however rather small
15:29<andythenorth>and parts can easily be found and fitted :P
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16:48<fjb>Moin.
16:54<@Belugas>heheh http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts2359
16:54<@Belugas>it's a pleasure to travel with you!
16:55<Eddi|zuHause>hm... now the discussion flames up to get the president directly elected
16:59<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: so the biggest moron gets the most power?
16:59<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: the president doesn't have a lot of power
17:00<@Rubidium>isn't it the one that can veto all laws?
17:00<Eddi|zuHause>no, not all laws, only ones that are "obviously anticonstitutional"
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18:44<SmatZ> 1 149 days, 03:05:43 | Linux 2.6.31-gentoo-r8 Mon Jan 4 23:28:23 2010
18:44<seirmubsa>18:44:49 up 267 days, 12:10, 2 users, load average: 0.36, 0.33, 0.28
18:44<seirmubsa>?
18:45<SmatZ>stopped by broken bulb that caused blackout in our house :-(
18:45<SmatZ>hehe
18:45<SmatZ>on the other hand, 150 days without any power outage isn't that bad :)
18:49<SmatZ>but for some reason, HW clocks got wrong by
18:49<SmatZ>289396 sec
18:49<seirmubsa>UPS. :p
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18:49<SmatZ>well, it's not life-critical or so :)
18:49<Eddi|zuHause>that's what NTP is for ;)
18:50<Eddi|zuHause>how can you view previous uptimes?
18:50<SmatZ>I have "uprecords" installed
18:50<SmatZ>uptimed, that is
18:51<SmatZ>I thought I have ntp daemon running at startup
18:53<SmatZ>hmm
18:53<SmatZ>of course ntp daemon starts
18:53<SmatZ>but it doesn't sync the HW clocks
18:54<SmatZ>when the system is turned off that way
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18:55<Eddi|zuHause>hm, yes, maybe a demon or cronjob should take that occasionally
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19:57<Terkhen>good night
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21:56<Eoin>anyone around?
21:56<PeterT>nope!
21:56<PeterT>@topic get -1
21:56<@DorpsGek>PeterT: Don't ask to ask, just ask
22:00<Eoin>but maybe im not asking a question? :)
22:02<PeterT>hai Eoin
22:02<PeterT>I'm around :D
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23:16<Eoin>anyone here who uses mIRC+IPv6?
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