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03:29<Tfacto>Hey
03:29<planetmaker>moin
03:29<Tfacto>Just installed OpenGFX, and wanted to try some 32bbp graphics as well.
03:30<Tfacto>bpp*
03:31<Tfacto>However, I can't get the 32bpp graphics to work.
03:31<Tfacto>Do I put the tar files in OpenTTD\data, or do I extract the tars first?
03:32<planetmaker>you put them in OpenTTD/data
03:32<planetmaker>But there are many tars for 32bpp which are designed for a patched version of OpenTTD and won't work for it
03:32<Ammler>extracting is only needed, if you like to modify...
03:32<Tfacto>and then i edit openttd.cfg to say blitter = "32bpp-simple"
03:32<planetmaker>There's only a very limited set of 32bpp which work with official OpenTTD
03:32<planetmaker>yes, you need that blitter. Or 32bpp-anim
03:33<Tfacto>i still cant see any evidence of 32bpp, checking the toolbar, an oil rig and a radio transmitter
03:34<Ammler>where did you get the tars?
03:34<Tfacto>http://wiki.openttd.org/List_of_downloadable_32bpp_tars
03:35<Ammler>you might try the megpack nightly: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp/nightly-megapacks/
03:35<Tfacto>cool
03:36<Ammler>hmm, but seems broken as well
03:37<Tfacto>yeah, but in trying that i found that another grass tar had worked
03:38<Tfacto>so i guess some works and some don't? http://wiki.openttd.org/List_of_downloadable_32bpp_tars
03:39<Ammler>yes, they made the 32bpp sprites depending on special versions of openttd and opengfx
03:39<Ammler>it might be better to run it with original baseset, if you have it.
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03:49<Tfacto>yeah
03:49<Tfacto>oil rig and radio transmitter works with windows baseset
03:49<Tfacto>grass doesn't though
03:49<Tfacto>i prefer to go with opengfx + those 32bpp graphics that works with opengfx
03:49<Tfacto>wish there were more though
03:49<Tfacto>:D
03:50<Tfacto>hmm, the 32 bpp toolbar was hot
03:50<Tfacto>any chance of getting that to work with opengfx?
03:53<SmatZ>extract tar, rename the directory from openttdw to opengfx (or so)
03:55<SmatZ>"If your going to post in an english forum, please use english."
03:55<SmatZ>(by deamonhunter11)
03:58<@Rubidium>SmatZ: better than that ununderstandable Dutch message
03:59<SmatZ>Rubidium: true :)
04:00<SmatZ>still, there are mods for that...
04:03<Ammler>[09:53] <SmatZ> extract tar, rename the directory from openttdw to opengfx (or so) <-- wouldn't work, you also need to renumber
04:03<SmatZ>oh :(
04:04<SmatZ>I thought sprite numbers are fixed :/
04:04<Ammler>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=48698 <-- my last attempt for this issue :-)
04:05<SmatZ>:)
04:06<Ammler>SmatZ: they aren't fixed for openttdw.grf versions itself, how should it be fixed between openttd and opengfx
04:08<SmatZ>actually, toolbar sprites are not in openttd.grf
04:08<Ammler>none?
04:08<Ammler>well, I refered to your rename openttdw to opengfx :-P
04:09<SmatZ>true, fast-forward might be :)
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04:09<SmatZ>yeah, too early in the morning I guess
04:09*SmatZ slaps SmatZ
04:09<Ammler>almost noon :-P
04:09<SmatZ>I am up since 6, and I am still dead as if it was still 6:15 :-p
04:09*Ammler puts a egg between hand and head of SmatZ
04:09<SmatZ>:)
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06:00<Terkhen>hello
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06:45<eQualizer>What's the situation of OpenTTD for Mac?
06:45<planetmaker>it works
06:45<planetmaker>but you need to compile it yourself. That's it.
06:45<@Rubidium>if it's broken, it's your problem
06:50<@Rubidium>and it's not automatically compiled anymore
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07:05<CIA-2>OpenTTD: frosch * r19917 /trunk/ (source.list src/fios_gui.cpp src/misc_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Split save/load GUI to separate file.
07:11<Terkhen>hmm... I'll never understand C strings
07:12<CIA-2>OpenTTD: frosch * r19918 /trunk/projects/ (openttd_vs80.vcproj openttd_vs90.vcproj): -Fix (r19917): Project files.
07:13<frosch123>as in char* ?
07:13<Terkhen>yes
07:15<frosch123>there are tons of functions, and half of them is missing on some platform
07:15<frosch123>or so :p
07:18<Terkhen>and the ones present don't work as I expect them to
07:18<@Rubidium>like?
07:22<Terkhen>http://paste.openttd.org/225859 <--- I think I'm not understanding correctly how it works for arrays of c strings... either that or my mind refusing to understand any more code :P
07:23<@Rubidium>where did you find that beauty?
07:24<@Rubidium>the first line makes an array of char* of string_lines size
07:24<@peter1138>that lastof() looks suspicious :p
07:25<@Rubidium>line 5 then allocates memory to each of those entries
07:25<@Rubidium>yes, the lastof is suspicious
07:25<Terkhen>it's my own code, each line seems suspicious to me :P
07:25<@Rubidium>I'd use new char[string_lines][DRAW_STRING_BUFFER] *if* I were going for that
07:26<@Rubidium>but, what are you trying to do exactly?
07:27<@Rubidium>copying the same string <string_lines> times?
07:27<@Rubidium>hmm, actually
07:27<@Rubidium>it's copying current_buf into the lines[0] and an empty string into the others
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07:29<Terkhen>http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/patches/index.php?source=fs_3816.diff <-- I'm trying to rewrite this without using my own methods (as I already mentioned... I'll never understand C strings properly)
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07:34<Terkhen>hmmm... shouldn't strecpy stop at the first '\0'?
07:34<@Rubidium>hmm, so basically you want DrawStringMultiLine to "bottom" align and return the "top"
07:35<@Rubidium>although...
07:35<frosch123>hmmm do you need to copy the strings? or can you just pass the pointers to DrawString?
07:35<@Rubidium>DrawStringMultiline doesn't like char*
07:35<@Rubidium>though that's easily solved by STR_JUST_RAW_STRING
07:36<@Rubidium>or by passing a char* and the result of FormatStringLinebreaks to a helper function of DrawStringMultiLine
07:36<Terkhen>since they are already splitted, I was going to use DrawString (but I have a patch that implements char* support for DrawStringMultiline somewhere)
07:36<frosch123>hmm, drawing backwards breaks colour codes and fontsizes. is that a problem here?
07:37<@Rubidium>frosch123: maybe for chat strings?
07:37<Terkhen>probably, I still haven't tested this
07:37<@Rubidium>although those might be stripped of colour before getting there
07:37<frosch123>i do not really know, how the chat looks like :p
07:37<@Rubidium>in any case, the copying of string isn't needed as frosch123 said
07:38<Terkhen>okay, thank you :)
07:38<@Rubidium>oh, besides for rtl reordering :(
07:38<@Rubidium>but for that you can use the code from DrawStringMultiLine
07:39<@Rubidium>but then, as I said, maybe a SA_BOTTOM flag would be "better"
07:39<@Rubidium>or at least easier
07:39*frosch123 also thinks adding a flag to DrawStringMultiLine is better
07:39<frosch123>that can better deal with colours and fontsizes
07:39<@Rubidium>and STR_JUST_RAW_STRING + SetDPAram
07:41<Terkhen>hmmm... yes, that sounds better
07:42<Terkhen>STR_JUST_RAW_STRING can use an arbitrary number of strings?
07:42<@Rubidium>no, just one
07:43<Terkhen>right, I misread something :P
07:43<@Rubidium>but the point is that the for (... print->previous) { Drawstring(...); } loops gets replaced with something like
07:43<@Rubidium>int bottom = this->height - 2 * this->lineheight;
07:45<@Rubidium>for (int i = 0; bottom > 0 && print != NULL; i++, print = print->previous) { SetDParamStr(0, print->buffer); bottom = DrawStringMultiLine(left, right, top, bottom, STR_JUST_RAW_STRING, print->colour, SA_LEF | SA_FORCE | SA_BOTTOM); }
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07:51<Terkhen>some multiline strings will need to have their "top" outside of the console to get the bottom parts of them drawn... that could be solved by limiting by top and choosing the right "top" at the loop
07:52<@Rubidium>I don't think that really matters; the drawing thing just doesn't draw it
07:53<@Rubidium>what is "outside" the console for the drawing algorithm? It's just another case of "we're not going to repaint that part of the window", so it should be perfectly safe
07:53<Terkhen>okay :)
07:54<Terkhen>thanks for the comments, I'll get to it in my next free morning :P
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08:50<borgfish>hi
08:51<borgfish>is there a setting that things like coal plants expire if not fed ?
08:51<borgfish>i have the feeling that coal plants and oil riggs wont expire
08:55<frosch123>power plants and banks cannot close, oil rigs can
08:55<frosch123>iirc opengfx+ wants to change that, no idea whether they already did
09:00<borgfish>ok another thing, sometimes an primary industry like coal mine closes despite beeing cared for. expacially self bfounded industries. is this changeable ?
09:01<@Rubidium>yes
09:03<@Belugas>hello
09:04<@Rubidium>hello, oh great white one
09:06<@Belugas>hehehe
09:07<@Belugas>hello sir Precious One
09:08<@Belugas>ho.. not so precious after all..
09:08<@Belugas>justthat... you shall not be put in contact with air
09:09<@Belugas>mmh..
09:09<@Belugas>interesting metal, indeed
09:09<@Rubidium>nor water :)
09:10<borgfish>rubidium , what setting is that ?
09:11<@Rubidium>via a NewGRF
09:13<@Belugas>no water, yup yup
09:13<@Belugas>fascinating
09:13<@Rubidium>Belugas: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2134266654801392897# at 1:30 :)
09:14*Belugas keeps as reference for lunch time :)
09:20<Ammler>Rubidium: Chris Sawyer is stronger ;-)
09:22<frosch123>braunschweig's only hope is that it does not rain on 20th...
09:22<Ammler>lol
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09:25<@Rubidium>wasn't it the 19th?
09:26<frosch123>19/20
09:26<frosch123>i am no good at days :)
09:26<blathijs>What's opengfx+?
09:26<Ammler>maybe the fallout is worse
09:27<@Rubidium>frosch123: me neither... didn't expect all the Germans in E'de today
09:27<frosch123>blathijs: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfxplus
09:27<Eddi|zuHause>blathijs: a newgrf on top of the base grfs that "fixes" some things
09:27<frosch123>Rubidium: only half of them
09:27<blathijs>Ah, a newgrf for opensfx :-)
09:27<blathijs>Thanks
09:28<Ammler>nml test project :-)
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09:50<NGP>Hi, Any one who knows a place to download good AI´s
09:51<Ammler>bananas
09:51<NGP>don't understand ?
09:51<Ammler>http://wiki.openttd.org/bananas
09:53<NGP>No downloads there
09:54<Ammler>wow, you are reading quite fast
09:55<@Belugas>but not well...
09:55<Ammler>and there are at least links to downloads
09:55<frosch123>http://wiki.openttd.org/Online_content <- NGP: ammler meant that page
09:55<frosch123>the other one is for uploading
09:55<Ammler>yes, it does redirect there
09:55<@Rubidium>Ammler: it doesn't
09:56<Ammler>anyway, there is a link to bananas :-)
09:57<Ammler>maybe there should be a link from bananas to that wiki page frosch123 pasted
10:00<frosch123>hmm, this is the third time today i do push instead of qpush... luckily there is only read access
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10:03*Belugas wants banana split
10:03<@Belugas>with cream and cherry
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10:05<Eddi|zuHause>that's easy, you take a banana and split it
10:05<Ammler>he, 3 edits to add a link...
10:05<Eddi|zuHause>then add cream and cherry
10:06<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: great, i would also like to get one
10:06<Eddi|zuHause>i hate cream...
10:06<frosch123>fine, you can skip that one
10:07<dih>does it not usually come with ice cream too?
10:07<Ammler>what cream do you mean?
10:08<Ammler>choco :-)
10:08<@Belugas>add strawberry jam, chocolate, butterscotch, nuts, lots of ice cream, and cream on top (wiped cream, if it's the right name)
10:09<@Belugas>menoum
10:09<@Belugas>miam
10:09<frosch123>but no cats
10:10<@Belugas>yurk... cat furr on icea cream...
10:10<@Belugas>not appealing at all
10:10<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: you confuse that with "miau" :p
10:11<Eddi|zuHause>dih: yes, there are variants with (usually stracciatella) ice cream
10:11<Eddi|zuHause>but afair it's not necessary
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10:16<NGP>How do i send money to other companies ?
10:16<Ammler>you can't, only to other clients
10:17<Ammler>click on the client then you get a submenu
10:18<NGP>so you can´t do it unles you play online ?
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10:23<Ammler>in sp, you can with ctrl-alt-c, move to the company and the cheat money
10:23<Ammler>(don't forget to reduce the same amount at your company)
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10:23<SmatZ>granularity is 10000000GBP
10:25<Ammler>never tried, if it is possible to cheat money away...
10:26<NGP>don't work
10:26<frosch123>Ammler: that was added around 0.7 or so
10:26<frosch123>but you cannot bankrupt that way :(
10:26<Ammler>NGP: what doesn't work?
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10:28<NGP>the ctrl-alt-c
10:28<fjb>Moin
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10:29<frosch123>quak fjb
10:29<Ammler>then it might be ctrl-alt-superduperkey-c
10:29<Eddi|zuHause>NGP: sometimes the system catches that hotkey (e.g. ati control panel), then you need to use ctrl+alt+win+c
10:29<fjb>Quak frosch123
10:32<fjb>Oh, some 3D stuff is working with this ATI card.
10:32<NGP>How do i activate the "cheat"
10:34<@Belugas>HGP: have yu tried Eddi|zuHause's suggestion ?
10:35<@Belugas>ooops...
10:35<@Belugas>NGP: have yu tried Eddi|zuHause's suggestion ?
10:37<NGP>It works and when a window pop's up and i enter stuff, but when i close it nothing happens so maybe you wold have to type in somthing ?
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10:38<frosch123>http://wiki.openttd.org/Cheat#The_Main_Window <- you should get that window
10:39<@Belugas>and you don't enter stuff, you click and set stuff. the effects are immediate
10:40<@Belugas>Corona Radiata
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10:58<@Belugas>ho... such a nice individual...
10:59<@Belugas>THANK YOU , YOU'RE WELCOME!
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11:00<frosch123>yeah, he did not offer any banana split
11:04<fjb>Hm, this graphics card makes an annoying noise.
11:06<Eddi|zuHause>maybe if you're asking nice enough, you can get a netsplit!
11:06<Eddi|zuHause>fjb: if it "feeeeep"s, then it means a capacitor is likely blowing up soon
11:07<frosch123>if it roars, then there is dirt in the fan
11:07<fjb>Eddi|zuHause: No, it kind of roars.
11:08<fjb>The fan is clean. It's more the speed of the fan.
11:11<@Belugas>or a cockroach having its tail ventilated
11:12<fjb>No, don't think so. :-)
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11:14<fjb>May be I should relocate one of the case fans.
11:15<planetmaker><frosch123> braunschweig's only hope is that it does not rain on 20th... <-- hey, don't call for it!
11:16<fjb>Where will the meeting be?
11:16<dih>have a wild guess
11:17<fjb>planetmaker's home?
11:17<dih>f\o
11:17<frosch123>siegfriedvietel
11:17<dih>congratulations
11:17<planetmaker>\o/
11:17<planetmaker>I'm still pondering what to do if the weather is indeed bad...
11:18<fjb>Get a big tent.
11:18<planetmaker>hm... :-) It's actually an idea
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11:54<Eddi|zuHause>hm... i have a statistical anomaly... i have pieces of video of about 3 minutes (+-2s, ~1%) cut from the same stream, but they have sizes of 150MB (+-10MB, ~8%)
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11:58<planetmaker>it really depends upon the compression algorithm in use
11:59<Eddi|zuHause>yes, but in a live stream, i'd expect fairly constant bitrate
12:00<planetmaker>not necessarily. They also might provide full frames every x seconds and only differential updates between or so
12:00<Eddi|zuHause>full frames are every 12th frame, ~1/2 second
12:01<planetmaker>and compression rate depends upon the actual images :-)
12:01<planetmaker>transmitting white noise is quite costly :-)
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12:19<slickgoku>yoyoyo
12:19<planetmaker>nenene
12:21<Ammler>molmolmol
12:25<Ammler>is it possible to close windows from console?
12:26<Ammler>http://ps.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000B13D.png <-- our webcam has some ugly debug screens open :-)
12:27<frosch123>:p
12:30<frosch123>i guess it vanishes if you save and reload
12:34<Ammler>yes, not possible as the passwords would disapear
12:34<Ammler>maybe there is a setting so this window wouldn't arise?
12:35<Ammler>like for finances
12:35<slickgoku>thank god for autosave :)
12:35<Ammler>that wasn't god
12:35<Ammler>dunno, if god can code c
12:35<SmatZ>hehe
12:36<frosch123>god only does assembly
12:37<Ammler>and he ignores most bug reports
12:37<planetmaker>nope. God does RNA
12:37<planetmaker>he's got four letters. Or five. Depending upon count
12:37<planetmaker>Maybe he also does DNA. Dunno really :-P
12:38<Ammler>but for sure, he is worst developer
12:38<planetmaker>for sure?
12:38<Eddi|zuHause>maybe he is wurst developer?
12:38<slickgoku>well then I don't know who to thank since I accidently deleted a large part of a complicated area of track :D
12:38<planetmaker>I'd agree to that, Eddi|zuHause :-)
12:39<Ammler>slickgoku: I guess, that is a CS feature, not sure
12:39<Ammler>tto
12:39<Eddi|zuHause>tto did not have autosave, but the world editor expansion had
12:40<Eddi|zuHause>and it overwrote my first savegame :(
12:40<Ammler>my first saves were on a floppy which I trashed with the game :-)
12:40<planetmaker>http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=4706&pid=63928#pid63928 <-- people are so nice. Ignore red warning boxes. Change all settings. And then wonder...
12:42<Ammler>Eddi|zuHause: that's a short list!
12:42<Ammler>long lists are >50
12:42<Eddi|zuHause>Ammler: even short lists can be too long
12:42<Ammler>trze
12:43<Eddi|zuHause>everything that has 4+ train sets in it is likely too long...
12:43<Eddi|zuHause>and 4+ town sets aren't really useful either
12:43<Ammler>don't post tt-ms.de links here...
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12:50<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, these people don't need to know our secret hideout!
12:50<slickgoku>cool batman and robin in the house
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12:53<@Belugas>Rubidium, that video of yours... WOW...
12:54<@Belugas>i was not aware it was soooo explosive
12:54<@Belugas>or reactive reather
12:54<@Belugas>rather
12:55<Eddi|zuHause>i have not seen the video, but i believe it's something similar to the experiment we did with Sodium in school...
12:59<frosch123>a chemistry/biology teacher at my school once did that experiment with a serious amount of natrium and the lake of the school. then he wondered why also the fishes popped up...
13:00<SmatZ>:p
13:01<planetmaker>lol
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13:02<frosch123>i don't know for how long the other chemistry/biology teacher who cared about the school's garden and lake did not talk to him :p
13:02<@Rubidium>frosch123: they were fresh water fish?
13:03<frosch123>i guess so, what else should there be in outdoor lakes?
13:04<@Rubidium>or maybe it was the pH of the water
13:04<@Rubidium>or just the volume
13:04<frosch123>i guess the pH killed them
13:06<@Rubidium>you can kill them with music as well
13:06<Eddi|zuHause>the poor fishes
13:07<@Belugas>music feeds, not kills
13:07<@Belugas>blep
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13:09<Eddi|zuHause>hm... apparently THEY don't want _another_ protestantic woman at the head of the state...
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13:10<@Rubidium>tss.. racisim!
13:10<@Rubidium>or rather sexism I guess
13:10<Eddi|zuHause>or whatever is the one with religion called...
13:11<@Rubidium>Ratzinger?
13:13<frosch123>lena is protestantic?
13:13<@Rubidium>nah, she believes in satelites or something
13:13<frosch123>:p
13:14<SmatZ>:p
13:14<@Rubidium>guess she's more lightheaded than nena
13:17<@Belugas>nina haggen!
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13:18<Alberth>good evening all
13:18*frosch123 wonders whether he should be impressed or frightened by whom belugas knows
13:18<frosch123>hai albert :)
13:18<Alberth>if you are both, you are never wrong :p
13:18<@Belugas>i know you, frosch123!
13:19<frosch123>damn
13:19<Alberth>Hello Sir Belugas
13:20<@Belugas>King Alberth, please accept my humble salutations :)
13:20<Alberth>hmm, promoted to king now eh?
13:21<@Rubidium>Albert of Monaco, right?
13:21<Alberth>or Belgium
13:21<Alberth>but Monaco sounds much better
13:21<@Rubidium>Alberth: but I wouldn't like to be associated with the (current) state of Belgium
13:22<@Rubidium>heh, Apocalyptica did Rammstein? That'll be the thing I learned today :)
13:22<@Belugas>hehehe
13:22<Xaroth>apocalyptica does a lot of bands
13:22<@Belugas>not NIN
13:23<@Belugas>nor... HTDA
13:23<Xaroth>HTDA? :o
13:23<Xaroth>they haven't done tool yet, but I doubt they could manage the awesomeness of tool :/
13:24<@Rubidium>guess you don't mean Tanzania's main airport
13:25<@Belugas>How To Destroy Angels. That's a new band, with Trent Reznor.
13:25<@Rubidium>Belugas: HTDA as in the HTDA of "A Drowning"?
13:25<@Belugas>yes Rubidium :)
13:25<Xaroth>never heard of them
13:25<@Belugas>brand new
13:26<@Rubidium>heard like 3 minutes of them :)
13:26<@Belugas>and tracks are FREE
13:26<@Belugas>i keep on listening to the 6 tracks on an on since... tuesday i guess
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13:27<Xaroth>interesting music
13:28<Xaroth>nice find, Belugas
13:28*Xaroth bookmarks
13:29<@Belugas>well.. thanks peter1138, he's the one behind the finding.
13:29<@Belugas>Xaroth, anythng that Trent Reznor touches is pure gold
13:30<@Belugas>sometimes it's brute gold, sometines its a very nice jewel
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13:40<DJNekkid>quick question, i know there are only 16 possible railtypes, but can i define above ID 0F, but i skip thoose sprites with an action7/9 ?
13:40<DJNekkid>i.e. i define ID 0 to (decimal) 20
13:41<DJNekkid>but nr 10-13 is skipped via for example a parameter?
13:43<frosch123> RailType railtype_map[RAILTYPE_END]; <- no, you can only use ids 0-15
13:43<frosch123> grfmsg(1, "RailTypeReserveInfo: Rail type %u is invalid, max %u, ignoring", id + numinfo, RAILTYPE_END); <- you will get that message
13:44<DJNekkid>okidoki :)
13:44<Ammler>DJNekkid: you could use Action6
13:44<frosch123>so you have to do some action6/d magic :)
13:44<DJNekkid>or some template magic :9
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: translators * r19919 /trunk/src/lang/ (estonian.txt unfinished/irish.txt unfinished/urdu.txt):
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: estonian - 5 changes by taavi
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: irish - 22 changes by tem
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: urdu - 118 changes by zohair
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14:05<Eddi|zuHause>urdu is what they speak in pakistan?
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14:16<Jolteon>Yes
14:16<Jolteon>Well, they have two official languages, Urdu & English.
14:16<Wolf01>hello
14:17<Jolteon>then a few provincial ones that vary slightly, Eddi|zuHause.
14:17<Jolteon>Punjabi, Pashto, Balochi, and another I forgot.
14:31<orudge_>They also seem to be vaguely official languages in Glasgow these days
14:31<orudge_>or at least, the city council produces leaflets in Urdu
14:31<orudge_>but not in, say, French or German
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14:36<Eddi|zuHause>well, opposing to france or germany, pakistan WAS part of britain in the recent past :p
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14:39<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: btw. the ukrainian song goes like "Oh sweet people, have you no love for mankind, must you go on killing, just to pass the time"
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14:47<__ln__>ok
14:48<Eddi|zuHause>then some bits about video games and "the end is near", but i don't fully understand it...
14:48<@Belugas>this is the end
14:49<@Belugas>the only end
14:49<@Belugas>my friend
14:49<Eddi|zuHause>that song always reminds me of "Bernd das Brot" :p
14:49<Wolf01>not "my only friend, the end"?
14:50<@Belugas>hem... could be...
14:50<@Belugas>in the mean time...
14:50<Wolf01>:D
14:50<@Belugas>IT WOKKS!!!!!
14:51<Wolf01>YEAHHHH!!!
14:51<@Belugas>betcha
14:51<Eddi|zuHause>i hope you mean the model railway ;)
14:51<@Belugas>hoo.. the concert resumes!
14:51<@Belugas>Eddi|zuHause, nope. my interface with the new payment processor
14:51<@Belugas>Authorize.net
14:52<Wolf01>I want learn to play the basso guitar!
14:52<@Belugas>going on SSL
14:52<Eddi|zuHause>learn a real bass... :)
14:53<Eddi|zuHause>there's something funny: in contrabass playing, there exists a "german" style, and a "french" style, even though both of them have been developed in italy :p
14:57<@Belugas>bass is easy to learn
14:57<@Belugas>bass is heavy to handle
14:57<@Belugas>bass is fun to play
14:58*Belugas switches to DeathMole
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15:09<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AvMJueiCyo <-- the ukrainian song
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15:13<[BosS]>Helloo :)
15:13<Wolf01>hoi!
15:14<SmatZ>Eddi|zuHause: nice song
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15:20<SmatZ>how popular is Eurosong? I am not much interested in it, we participated twice, without any real success :)
15:20<Eddi|zuHause>15 Mio viewers in germany
15:20<Eddi|zuHause>it beat boxing and football in ratings ;)
15:21<[BosS]>What is it? =o
15:21<Eddi|zuHause>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest
15:21<SmatZ>that's about 16% of population
15:21<SmatZ>I am really surprised, I thought you would prefer football :)
15:22<SmatZ>but still, 16% isn't much
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15:22<planetmaker>I think it got like 65% market share when it was broadcasted
15:23<Eddi|zuHause>actually it is much... normal shows have like 2 to 4 Mio viewers if they are good...
15:23<SmatZ>Germany is a lot different from Czech Republic, then :)
15:23<SmatZ>"On 22 July 2009 ČT officially announced their withdrawal from the 2010 Contest, stating a lack of interest from the Czech public to the contest and poor viewing figues for the shows."
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15:26<fjb>Oh, that Ukrainian song is really good.
15:27<Eddi|zuHause>it got 10th place i think
15:28<fjb>It is far better than the German song. And she can sing way better.
15:29<Eddi|zuHause>... of 25 entries in the finale and 39 countries participating
15:29<Eddi|zuHause>i think georgia was the best singer
15:29<SmatZ>I think the problem (at least for me) is that ~90% of songs there are boring...
15:29<SmatZ>and Czechs aren't that competitive in that :-p
15:30<Eddi|zuHause>i think this year had a lot of good songs
15:30<SmatZ>hockey or football, fine, but singing...
15:30<SmatZ>maybe, I didn't see this year's :)
15:30<fjb>I stopped watching the contest about 20 years ago.
15:31<Eddi|zuHause>... that means you missed all the good stuff like "Wadde Hadde Dude Da?" :p
15:32<fjb>Yes. :-)
15:32<fjb>But I could hardly avoid the German songs.
15:33<SmatZ>"Wadde Hadde Dude Da" isn't really my taste of music
15:33<Eddi|zuHause>;)
15:33<Eddi|zuHause>SmatZ: i was being ironic ;)
15:33<SmatZ>and the video is insane :)
15:33<SmatZ>heh, yeah ;)
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15:35<Eddi|zuHause>viewers this year: 14,69 Mio. viewers last year: 7,36 Mio
15:35<SmatZ>because you won :-p
15:35<planetmaker>actually: yes
15:35<planetmaker>all the years the German contributions were very poor
15:35<planetmaker>both in singing and in the personality
15:36<planetmaker>this time at least the person wasn't a complete freak-out
15:37<frosch123>we should send smatz next year :p
15:37<SmatZ>hehe :)
15:38<planetmaker>:-P
15:39<frosch123>i just lmao when i heard that the winning song was actually writting by americans
15:39<Eddi|zuHause>an american and a danish person, i believe
15:40<frosch123>a bought song, a casted singer, it cannot miss the point of the contest any more (as i always understood it)
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15:43<Eddi|zuHause>as far as i understood it, a lot of the singers were casted after the song was already fixed
15:43-!-Wasila [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd
15:44<__ln__>i think the verb tenses go 'cast, cast, cast'
15:44<Wasila>indeed they do
15:44<Wasila>But that's English!
15:44<frosch123>what cast? dynamic, static, reinterprete?
15:44<planetmaker>obviously the tenses are gone
15:45<planetmaker>luckily at this time the tension, too ;-)
15:45*planetmaker drinks quite relaxed a cold beer
15:45<planetmaker>cheers
15:45<__ln__>prost
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15:46<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: it's a matter of back-translation... if german loans a verb from another language, it tends to get "weak" conjugation
15:47<SmatZ>:-)
15:48<Eddi|zuHause>so if one lends a "strong" (in english mostly called "irregular") verb, it gets "weak", and if one translates that back, it stays "weak"
15:50<fjb>frosch123: cast from poor to rich (at least they hope that).
15:50<frosch123>then it must be a reinterpret cast, as it crashes usually
15:51<fjb>Casting shows are mostly a political thing.
15:51<planetmaker>null pointer de-reference? ;-)
15:52<Alberth>it gets reinterpret-ed as rich in experience
15:57<SmatZ>Eddi|zuHause: "Wadde Hadde Dude Da" reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKO9h-gG4Qg
15:57<fjb>OH, google-earth is unusable with the radeon driver. :-(
15:58<__ln__>how are the r20000 meet plans?
15:59<fjb>SmatZ: The reminds me more about Kraftwerk.
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16:01<planetmaker>__ln__: after lunch at my place
16:01<__ln__>i'm considering booking a flight tonight
16:02<planetmaker>:-)
16:02<SmatZ>:)
16:02<__ln__>too many smileys, i'm suspecting something!
16:03<planetmaker>hehe
16:03<frosch123>SmatZ: what is that weird stuff?
16:04<frosch123>that reminds me about "alpha, beta, gamma, überraum"
16:04<frosch123>or so
16:04<__ln__>planetmaker: have you written to the forums or somewhere about it?
16:05<Eddi|zuHause>i'm finished on the 19th around 12:00 in Niemberg, and must be back on the 20th at 11:00 in Merseburg...
16:05<Eddi|zuHause>in case someone wants to carpool or something
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16:06<MastaLu>Hi all
16:06<PeterT>hello
16:07<MastaLu>Maybe thats a dumb newbie question but can i switch transport methods .. like trucks delivering a train depot ?
16:07<Eddi|zuHause>MastaLu: you can build a combined station
16:07<planetmaker>just build it as one station
16:07<planetmaker>easiest way: build them immediately adjacent
16:07<Eddi|zuHause>MastaLu: with pressing ctrl, if they are not right next to each other
16:07<frosch123>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXYBh_ut-fo <- the refrain and the rest of the song always felt somewhat discrepant
16:08<Eddi|zuHause>we're now exchanging early '80s songs?
16:08<MastaLu>And how Do i do that ? i tried connect them to each other even built adjacent .. or do i need to be aware of what direction they face ?
16:08<MastaLu>eddi = deutsch ?
16:08<@Rubidium>frosch123: the first 20 seconds aren't that bad
16:08<planetmaker>MastaLu: the station will show which modes of transports it has
16:09<planetmaker>in the station sign
16:09<MastaLu>well yeah i managed that incidentialy but not on purpose ^^
16:10<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: only the hillarious stuff
16:10<planetmaker>frosch123: hillarious :-)
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16:10<planetmaker>That was in the discos when I was in last grade in school ;-)
16:10<CIA-2>OpenTTD: rubidium * r19920 /trunk/src/lang/ (norwegian_bokmal.txt norwegian_nynorsk.txt): -Change: set the correct digit group separator for both Norwegians, unify the ownname naming and add genders/cases needed to improve the translation
16:10*fjb waits for "99 Luftballons" now.
16:11<frosch123>what, is pm that more old than me?
16:11<@Rubidium>fjb: I referenced that hours ago already
16:11<MastaLu>can you guys give me another hint on how to replace vehicles .. i got it setup like the tutorial but it said "out of money" while i had enough
16:11<planetmaker>hm... seems the song is a bit older than I thought :-)
16:11<planetmaker>frosch123: I guess I'm a bit older than you - but not that much ;-)
16:11<fjb>Rubidium: I wasn't here yet.
16:11<MastaLu>Bah fjb ... Berlin - Take my breath away ^^
16:12<fjb>MastaLu: That was much later.
16:12<Eddi|zuHause>MastaLu: there is a setting for minimum money required
16:12<frosch123>planetmaker: you are somewhat off by 15 years or so
16:13<Alberth>MastaLu: can you still buy the vehicle?
16:13<fjb>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lrf-BrhhTI
16:13<MastaLu>ah found one eddi .. can i access those additional options also during a game ?
16:13<frosch123>fjb: it is even more troublesome. belugas knows nina hagen. though intestingly the topic then switched to how to destroy angels
16:13<planetmaker>frosch123: yes, seems like :-)
16:14<planetmaker>there must have been a re-make somewhen around mid-ninties
16:14<fjb>Oh, Nina Hagen.
16:14<@Rubidium>fjb: I think Schnappi's better :)
16:15<MastaLu>schnappi? you being serious ?
16:15<@Rubidium>heh, it's quite educational
16:16<MastaLu>uhm .. i guess i missed that one ?
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16:16<@Rubidium>you missed the "small crocodiles come from an egg"
16:17<fjb>Nina Hagens first popular song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVMljJk8g8E&feature=related
16:18<MastaLu>oh .. true .. what a great and perfect description of the beginning of the lifecycle ...
16:18<fjb>Hm, the better live version on youtube is blocked by Sony. :-(
16:18<__ln__>planetmaker: what's the expected ending time?
16:18<MastaLu>BTW thanks for the help guys ^^
16:18<planetmaker>__ln__: I haven't planned that time really...
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16:19<planetmaker>but I'd assume somewhen evening.
16:19<__ln__>ok, well, too much scheduling can be too restrictive.
16:20<planetmaker>it wouldn't work out anyway, I'm sure ;-)
16:20<fjb>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKe9ybFDQ1A&feature=related Who can watch this?
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16:20<planetmaker>in the hope of good weather we can have a joint BBQ for dinner and we'll see
16:20*planetmaker can't watch that
16:21<__ln__>well... now i happen to have a flight to hannover on the 18th. (but not back)
16:22<@Rubidium>that does have subtitles in some I think one of the Iberian languages
16:28*fjb strongly dislikes Sony.
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16:46<frosch123>night
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17:03<fjb>Ha, it works: http://1.2.hidemyass.com/encrypted/YnhBQjRTZG50OUtOcTVoMWFOR1RnZEtYZ0VmbmNCSUhDcW1XR0REZmhuYVRVOGlITkgwSC9LRkdqWFRVb21MUnFBUDZaNFlQdEI1RWNHNFZkTm89 :-)
17:06<@Belugas>bye all
17:06<FauxFaux>fjb: That's an incredibly useful url. ¬_¬
17:07<fjb>Does it not work?
17:07<FauxFaux>The url is encryptz000red!!11 Can't visit.
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17:08<fjb>Oh, only one time. :-(
17:08<FauxFaux>Normally just /v/ing the url fixes most of the restrictions anyway.
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17:09<fjb>It doesn't. Youtube detects where I come from (probably by miy ip-number).
17:10<FauxFaux>/lc/lc
17:10<FauxFaux>Fail.
17:12*andythenorth is troubled by the FIRS aluminium plant
17:12<andythenorth>too big
17:12<andythenorth>or too big for a single building anyway
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17:21<fjb>FauxFaux: Big problem is that Youtube doesn't show it in the search results when I come from Germany.
17:21<FauxFaux>So much rage.
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17:23<fjb>I only find a version with strange subtitles which I'm not allowed to view. In the related list of that strange version is the real version.
17:24<Eddi|zuHause>fjb: possibly you misspelled it?
17:25<fjb>I don't think so. I find every other version.
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17:45<fjb>Hm, there is more than just YouTube out there: http://www.myvideo.de/watch/6256354/Nina_Hagen_Du_hast_den_Farbfilm_vergessen
17:50<SmatZ>great, there are more places to watch Nina Hagen :-p
17:51<SmatZ>(from what I heard and saw today, she has good voice, but is insane - in a bad way)
17:53<+tokai>What the heck is going on here? :)
17:53<SmatZ>:)
17:53<Eddi|zuHause>it's Belugas' fault
17:53<SmatZ>80's DDR music discussion :)
17:53<Eddi|zuHause>he brought up the name first
17:54<+tokai>DDR the game? Or as in GDR? :)
17:54<SmatZ>DDR/BRD probably
17:54<SmatZ>Germany :)
17:55<@Rubidium>SmatZ: in 1980 she moved to the US
17:55<+tokai>Nina Hagen?
17:55<SmatZ>ok :)
17:55<+tokai>Strange world.
17:55<@Rubidium>yeah, or at least that's what pediawiki says
17:56<+tokai>She is rather scary. Visually, that is. Dunno about the rest. :)
17:56<SmatZ>:-)
17:56<__ln__>RDA
17:57<+tokai>I remember some football game where she had to sing and the micro wasn't working (I think) :)
17:57<SmatZ>:-)
17:57<+tokai>And that summarizes my knowledge about her. :)
17:58<SmatZ>hehe
18:01<Eddi|zuHause>i know that her daughter is less crazy and more beautiful than her
18:02<fjb>SmatZ: Not 80s, that song is from the 70s.
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18:08<MastaLu>whoa a day full of nena
18:12<fjb>99 Luftballons
18:13<@Rubidium>more real than a satellite
18:13<fjb>And much better.
18:15<@Rubidium>not quite sure whether the new or old version is the better though
18:25<Terkhen>good night
18:26<@Rubidium>night Terkhen
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19:07<Wolf01>'night
19:07<PeterT>night
19:07<PeterT>haha, gotcha
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21:12<Eddi|zuHause>The Russian song is great :)
21:12<Eddi|zuHause># (Voice: What are you doing man?)
21:12<Eddi|zuHause># I'm looking at her photos
21:12<Eddi|zuHause># What should i do with them?
21:12<Eddi|zuHause># (Voice: Put them in the fire)
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21:22<cowdude>Hey, why won't you let zodttd post OpenTTD to the App Store? I've been dying for it on my iPhone, and he didn't violate the GPL or anything...
21:23<zodttd>cowdude: They allowed it after I complied further with some requests. Apple keeps rejecting it at this point.
21:25<Sacro>I don't think you can have GPL stuff in the App store
21:25<Sacro>actually, you can't
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21:26<Sacro>Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein.
21:26<Sacro>(Emphasis added)
21:26<cowdude>Searching the App Store for "GPL" shows a ton of results.
21:27<Sacro>so?
21:27<Sacro>they are at fault and should be removed
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21:27<Sacro>or at least have the licence changed
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21:33<Keyboard_Warrior>Sacro, what you can refuse though is for them to use the name :P
21:33<Keyboard_Warrior>not that it matters much
21:33<Keyboard_Warrior>but the gpl does allow you to impose restrictions
21:33<Keyboard_Warrior>just not on redistrebution
21:35<Sacro>hmm
21:35<Sacro>still, can't go in the app store
21:36<Keyboard_Warrior>Sacro, the gpl is a bit too paranoid at times
21:37<Keyboard_Warrior>most people dont bother obeying it perfectly
21:37<Sacro>so?
21:37<Sacro>just because 'most people' don't obey it doesn't alter it
21:37<Keyboard_Warrior>Sacro, i'm saying, why does it bother you when its more the gpl being paranoid than people being wrong?
21:39<Sacro>Eh?
21:39<Sacro>I'm confused now
21:39<Keyboard_Warrior>.p
21:44<Eddi|zuHause>what Keyboard_Warrior means is "i'm wrong, but i won't admit it."
21:44<Eddi|zuHause>also called cognitive dissonance...
21:48<Sacro>right
21:48<Sacro>I've got a bugin OpenTTD
21:48<Sacro>whenever I click my mouse pointer stops being rendered
21:49<Eddi|zuHause>that's more likely a bug in SDL/your window manager/your graphics driver
21:49<Sacro>hmm
21:49<Sacro>SDL 1.12.14
21:50<Sacro>nvidia 195.36.24
21:50<Eddi|zuHause>i have no idea about SDL versions
21:50<Sacro>WM is compiz
21:51*Sacro rebuilds from SVN
21:54<Sacro>hmm, gnome-globalmenu doesn't follow fitt's law
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