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---Logopened Wed Jun 09 00:00:22 2010
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01:56<planetmaker>moin
02:06<@Rubidium>morning planetmaker
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02:59<Terkhen>good morning
03:00<@Rubidium>goooooood morning Spain! :)
03:00<borgfish>good morning from germany !
03:00<borgfish>our 12 points go to: holland
03:00<@Rubidium>borgfish: are you insane?
03:01<borgfish>no, i am unsane, but not jet insane
03:01<borgfish>(thats part of the song i like)
03:01<@Rubidium>*why* would you give even 1 point to the recent Dutch ESC entries?
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03:04<Terkhen>oh, my virtualbox changed its name
03:04<@Rubidium>to Oracle something?
03:05<Terkhen>yes
03:05<Terkhen>java is now called Oracle Java too? :P
03:05<@Rubidium>highly likely
03:05<@Rubidium>although probably only with 1.7
03:08<Terkhen>it won't affect me then... I'm forced to use an old version of JRE
03:08<borgfish>i wasn't so serious about it
03:08<@Rubidium>what is considered old?
03:09<Terkhen>three years old
03:10<@Rubidium>so 1.6
03:10<@Rubidium>as that's from dec 2006, so 3.5 years old
03:11<@Rubidium>otherwise 1.5 from sep 2004, so almost 6 years old
03:13<Terkhen>yes... seems that the RMI plugin we were given only works with that exact version
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03:14<@peter1138>java software seems good at that
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07:19<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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07:49<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: so if FMSP should be transported with tanker wagons, would you mind adding "liquid" to the cargo class?
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09:17<@Belugas>hello
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12:40<elho>hi
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12:48<Zuu>hi elho!
12:56<elho>ah, the "negative income with feeder systems" page on the wiki just confirmed why i suddenly see negative income after migrating from an airport hub on one side of a few towns to a maglev one on the other side, the latter is more of a detour :/
12:57<elho>and i was moving the maglev station even further away in a first attempt, as i thought the "last mile" transports where too short and therefore showing negative income :P
12:59<elho>but if it works that way and the final destination is not accounted for in transfer income, you could actually make money by transfering goods to some far away station and let them rot there?
13:00<elho>(it would be silly to do, of course)
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13:09<Eddi|zuHause>that is precisely why it doesn't work that way
13:10<Wolf01>hello
13:10<Eddi|zuHause>ahh! it's a wolf!! hide!!!
13:10<Wolf01>omgwtf!
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13:27<elho>Eddi|zuHause: the transfer to nirvana would not work, or are you referring to the earlier normal case?
13:28<Eddi|zuHause>elho: i mean you only get actual money at the final destination
13:29<Eddi|zuHause>and only for "air distance" between the first and last station
13:29<__ln__>a wolf!! terrifying beast!
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13:30<Eddi|zuHause>where "air" is measured along the grid lines
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13:32<Wolf01>manhattan distance, Pythagoras's or whatelse?
13:35<Eddi|zuHause>manhattan
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13:35<elho>oh, so you are trying to say, that the transfer income displayed when a vehicle arrives at a station is only virtual and not added to the balance? (i thought it was and that the negative income when transporting it part of the way back later corrects the balance)
13:35<elho>yes, i get the "air distance" part :)
13:36<Wolf01>and you need to calculate the exact length of travelled tiles to get the right income?
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: translators * r19950 /trunk/src/lang/ (french.txt indonesian.txt unfinished/irish.txt):
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: french - 35 changes by ElNounch
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: indonesian - 28 changes by prof
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: irish - 58 changes by tem
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13:56<heffer>the account system is being silly
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13:57<heffer>it tells me that my username/pw combination is invalid
13:57<heffer>then i try to recover my password and it then tells me that my username/email combination is unknown
13:57<heffer>it used to work, i merged my accounts some time ago already
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14:07<Ammler>you need both to recover?
14:08<Ammler>that would be too much security anyway ;-)
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14:42<elho>those new (0.7+) orders look interesting, but AIUI you can still not do two-way collect&distribute setups, right? (as in a bus that collects passengers from town dropping them of at the airport and on its way back taking only those passengers that arrived by plane and not those that arrived with a bus from another town)
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14:52<Zuu>elho, yep that's right. For that you need either two airports or CargoD[ie]st
15:07<Eddi|zuHause>hm... somehow this train doesn't get uphill...
15:13<Zuu>I came up with a great idea of how to learn some basic train German, run OpenTTD in German. :-) Much better than a random German tutor page where they have things like "hello my name is .. " and other random stuff.
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15:19<elho>Zuu: heh
15:26<Zuu>Sales people...
15:28<Zuu>The sales staff at bahn told me there is no wap service in English where you can get visual train information. The answer was written in a way that it implyed that there is one in German. So for random I tried with m.bahn.de and there was even an "english" link that changed the service into Engilsh. :-D
15:30<Zuu>On the other hand, the Swedish equivalent is rather unherd of outside the group of transport neerds.
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15:55*peter1138 ponders a game
16:00<Sacro>the game?
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16:08<Zuu>Sacro: Of course it's that game, what other games could it be?
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16:28<@Belugas>hem...
16:28<@Belugas>like...
16:28<@Belugas>a whollat
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16:52<@Belugas>night'
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17:08<Vadtec>is there a scenario editor that allows you to prelay tracks/companies?
17:09<Vadtec>id like to create some scenarios that have companies already in place for people to play as
17:09<SmatZ>you can start the game, cheat yourself money, build tracks/companies, save it, and rename the save to .scn
17:10<SmatZ>I am not sure what will happen with your money
17:10<SmatZ>err
17:10<SmatZ>don't forget to spend money so companies don't have too much
17:11<SmatZ>also, such a "scenario" isn't much different from regular "save game"
17:11<Vadtec>not really what im after, but i had considered the idea
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18:19<Nite_Owl>Hello all
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19:12<Wolf01>'night all
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20:53<Terkhen>good night
21:01<SmatZ>good night, Terkhen
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